WEBVTT - Fire Drill 51: The Plot Thickens with Andy Ogletree 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.160 It doesn't really matter. I've I've always said it, and 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.720 I'll keep saying it. It doesn't matter where the tournament's at. 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.880 I'm not scared to go anywhere in the world. Um. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.560 I just want to play golf, and I want to 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.399 play in golf tournaments that matter, and golf tournaments that 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.560 have world ranking points, and golf tournaments that can get 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.200 me to be one of the best players in the world. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.080 So um, that's been my goal since I was four 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:21.680 or five years old, and that will continue to be 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:27.600 my goal until I get there. So Hello, this is 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.520 Alan ship Knuck back from their Fire Drill podcast. We 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.680 are delighted to be joined Michael Bamberg and I that 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.479 is joined by Andy Ogletree, who's just coming off a 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:42.000 career changing victory on Asian Tour in Egypt, of all places. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:43.519 I mean, it's cool to win a tournament anywhere, but 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.800 it's like extra cool to win win in Egypt, right 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.879 like that. That's got to be kind of fun. So, uh, 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.599 tell us if you're probably still on cloud nine, but 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.160 how does it feel to have broken through? Andy? And 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.720 and most and the biggest question of all is how 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.880 is this going to change your career? Yeah. I mean 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.320 it just feels like a huge weight off my shoulders, honestly, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.720 because the last year and a half it has kind 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.240 of just been a spiral of trying to find places 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.440 to play and trying to find exemptions, and UM, it 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.840 just feels like I finally have relief because I have 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.920 somewhere guaranteed to play for the next two and a 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.960 half years. Um. This win gives me a full Asian 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.200 Tour card for the rest of this year, all of 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.680 next year and for four so I can pick and 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.200 choose what tournaments I play. UM. I could play regular 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.960 Asian Tour events, I can play in the National Series. UM. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.280 And and that's just all I can wish for right 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.240 now is to have somewhere guaranteed to play for them 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.720 two and a half years. That's great, Andy, What was 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.480 it's Michael Baermberger in Philadelphia. What was it like to 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.680 play in Egypt? I imagine you had never probably been 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.000 there before. Yeah, first time to Egypt. UM, I don't think. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.640 I don't think many people go unless you're going to 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.520 see the pyramids. So I actually did the Pyramids on 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:58.800 Wednesday morning. They Asian two or Charter two buses and 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.520 the whole tournament went. So it was super cool. We 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.640 had tour guides telling us everything and all the fun 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.480 facts and uh no, it was super cool. And we 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.000 stayed at a great hotel there. Um, it's interesting in Egypt, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.760 So they built out these whole cities before they let 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.720 anyone move there, so we stayed in the city with 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.280 no people. It was. It was really interesting, but I 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.640 guess they're bringing people in like twenty at a time. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.280 They said they're at twenty percent capacity right now. It's 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.520 gonna be their new capital. Um they're at right now, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.079 and they're gonna hopefully be at a couple of years, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.480 they said. So it was. It was really weird. It 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.799 was like a ghost town. It was this brand new city, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.320 super nice and modern, with no people. Does it feel 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.239 like Phoenix? What? What does it? What does it feel like? 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.519 They're you kind of feel like you're in Phoenix. Scottsdale. Um. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.480 The golf course was very artificial. All the lakes were 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.600 bright blue, looked like this cool. It was cool to see, 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.120 but I mean, the course was perfectly The fairways were 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.240 probably the nicest fairways I've ever played in my life, 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.440 not even not even exaggerating that. So um, super cool, 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.560 I mean, awesome tournament. I mean that's one of the 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.919 things that's interesting is young players when they hear about 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.440 going over to Europe or or to Asia or to 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.200 any of these far away tours. Yeah. I know there's 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.520 some apprehension like how how am I going to survive 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.720 this exotic landscape? But how do you translate the challenges 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.400 of maybe, um, obviously jet lag and maintaining a diet 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.959 and work out schedule it works for you, And then 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.120 and then take that onto the golf course And I mean, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.760 are you able to to kind of calibrate or do 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.120 you just have to say, hey man, this is all 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.720 gonna be different and just go with it. Yeah. I 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.440 mean I've always been a really good planner. So the 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.280 first couple of trips, I took a lot of notes 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.080 and Okay, this is how early I need to be there, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.200 and this is how many days I need to have 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.080 to adjust to the time change, and this is how 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.040 I'm going to travel. So in America usually use the gyms. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.280 Here over there, you don't really know what you're gonna get, 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.240 so I pretty much travel with my gym. I traveled 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.040 with foam rollers, bands, all the stuff that I use 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.080 in my warm up, um to kind of make sure 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.200 I have everything that I need. And then um, they 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.840 have physios on site, so I'm able to work with them. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.200 And over the five tournaments working with those people, they've 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.560 learned my body pretty well. So um, there's really not 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.800 many challenges other than food and the language barrier. And 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.320 you basically never leave the hotels because there's always a 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.000 couple of restaurants there that you can find something. I mean, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.400 I eat a lot of Italian because Italian foods pretty universal. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.800 So um, you get some pasta and call it a night. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.560 Any what did you do for a caddy over there? 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.240 I've been taking locals, but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:44.680 get somebody traveling with me full time now that well, 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.440 that membership has its privileges, right, I mean, yeah, it's 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.640 gonna be great just to have some money every week 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.520 and be able to actually do it. I mean I've 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.760 been I've been taking locals and they don't really speak 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.080 any English, so I've just had someone carrying the bag 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:02.160 for the first five basically. Yeah. So let's drill down 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.159 a little bit more on on the career advancement here. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.120 So play the Asian Tours. We know that it's getting 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.159 a big influx already has and it's going to continue 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.120 get a big influx of money from Live Golf. Yeah, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.400 the persons are going up, the fields are getting deeper. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.920 There's gonna be more world ranking points than probably ever 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.840 in the history of that tour. I mean, are you 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.480 satisfied to make to make Asia your home tour for 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.680 turn a half years or do you still have designs 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:31.240 on either Live Golf or even the PGA Tour. Yeah, So, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.480 I mean I obviously want to play either live on 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.520 the PGA Tour, but the Asian Tour is a great 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.080 place to start for me because it just gives me 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.679 that guaranteed place to play. I mean, I'll still probably 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.880 try to do some mondays Um for PGA Tour events 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.400 this coming year when they work in my schedule and 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.200 stuff like that. So I'm trying to try to go 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:51.919 at it both ways, to go at it from the 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.240 PGA Tour side and go at it from the lip side. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:56.960 I'm getting ready to go to Indonesia in a week 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.799 and a half, so um it'll be the last Asian 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.320 two international series of end of the year, and I 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.160 think if I win, I have a chance to win 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.359 the Order of Merit on the International Series is what 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.800 we've kind of figured out. So um that's the goal. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.240 And if I win the Order of Merit on the 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.280 International Series, that gets you a live card for next 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.880 year or so that would be the route back. And 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.000 that's a key point because we we've talked, we've talked 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.919 about in the first time around this podcast, and we've 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.360 gone over but not every golf fan realizes that live 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.720 is not a closed shop. It's not invitation only. There 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.719 are avenues to play your way. There's been guys do 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.480 it all year. So um, this year it was top 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.400 three players on the current Order of Merit of International 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.520 Series played all the events. So like the guys like 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:45.320 Scott Vincent and she wanted Kim and um so nom. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.440 I don't know Saddam's last name, but uh, there's been 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:49.960 a lot of guys play a lot of live events 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.280 through the Asian two International Series Order of Merit. And 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.760 you you grew up in in Mississippi, live in Atlanta. Uh, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.200 you've been in the United States mos your life. What 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.400 does in your travels? What does the American golf fan 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:08.360 not understand about what this live series is all about Yeah. Uh, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.480 I mean that's a loaded question. I think there's a 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.840 lot of stuff that people don't really understand and gather. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.680 But um, the biggest thing I found is they just 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.680 don't really understand how great these events are and how 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.040 excited people are to be there. Um. I think people 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.880 thought that they wouldn't get a lot of crowds, and 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.400 early on they weren't selling a lot of tickets and 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.280 that was all the things you were here in America. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.239 But when you get to the tournaments, I mean there's 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.960 tons of people there. People are really excited to see it. Um. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.880 They really is like a new a new version of golf. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.880 It's very different than the standard. Um be quiet and 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.320 quiet with the collapse and no one talking. And I 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.920 mean there's a concert as soon as the last part 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.480 goes in on eighteen. Everyone goes to the fan village 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.840 and there's a concert by a famous performer every night. 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:58.080 So it's kind of like a circus, traveling circus to 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.360 play the live tour. It's uh, it's a lot of 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.760 different than PGA two events. Also because everyone stays at 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.320 the same hotel and everything's paid for by the tour, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.480 so they're paying for all your travel. They're paying for 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.240 all the hotels, personal drivers for the week, shups at 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.440 the hotel. I mean, everyone's kind of all inclusive. Everyone 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.600 stays at the same place and hangs out. There's live 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.080 you know, rooms for families and kid rooms at the hotel, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.400 and I don't know, it's just a lot, a lot 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.080 different vibe than I think people realize. And you you 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.360 just want to seventy two whole event. You played with 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.400 tiger Woods for two rounds and made a cut in 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.000 a master's As an amateur, I watched thirty six year holds. 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.480 It was astounding, as of course you know, and and 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.760 our listeners who know the live for now it's a 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.600 fifty four whole events. There's a lot of discussion as 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.240 to what they look at ranking points. Um, could you 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.000 imagine a scenario where Live expans from fifty four to 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.920 seventy two? Are you talking about holes played or players 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.360 or could these live events that are now fifty or 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.080 par whole events could if that was the stumbling block 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.920 to them get to live series getting world ranking points, 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.040 could you imagine expanding to sewo I think they'll do 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.160 whatever they whatever they have to do at the end 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.920 of the day to give world ranking points. Um, that's 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.320 the literally only thing holding them back right now. So 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.400 I think whatever they have to do to get those 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.600 world ranking points is what they'll have to do. Yeah, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.640 I agree with that. You said earlier that you're thinking 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.600 about doing some some mondays on the PG Tour, and 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.840 you know, some of the listeners probably remember that when 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.559 you played the London event you were suspended by the tour, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.080 But unlike some of these other guys who were actual 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.120 members of the tour, you did not have a card, 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.360 and therefore the suspension really is only going to go 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.480 to the end of this year. Correct? And then is 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.440 your understanding that you have you have total access to sponsors, exemptions, mondays, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:47.679 and any other way you can clete your way onto 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.080 the PG Tour. I understanding is my my ban is 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:57.720 completely completely over starting January one of next year. So, um, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.960 I'm under the understanding that I can go to Monday, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.720 I can receive a sponsor invite, I can do do 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:07.320 whatever unless something changes between now and them. I mean 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.720 that sets up some obviously very interesting hypotheticals, right like 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.280 if I don't, I don't. I'm not sure if you're 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.040 an Asian to remember. I need to check on this, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.680 But if you're an Asian to remember, I don't know 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.680 if you have to do prequel are the pre cuse 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.600 for the Mondays. So that's another interesting thing that might 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.840 have come from getting status in the Asian Tour. I 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.360 don't know if that gives you anything or any ability 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.040 to not have to do the pre cuse. But that's 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.000 the only thing that is awful for the Monday qualifiers 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.520 next year is I'll have to go on Wednesday, play 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.880 a practice round for the pre qualifier, and then play 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.280 the Monday. So it's gonna be a weeklong process to 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.400 play Monday. Yeah, no, getting that would be huge if 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.800 you could. If you could skip the pre cues. Um, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.040 if you play another live event going forward, then are 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.920 you back and are you out again? Like how is 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.360 that going to work? I have no idea because I'm 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.280 not a The reason that I was suspended last time 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.560 is because I was a member of the corn Ferry Tour. 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.200 But I'm not a member anymore because I didn't get 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.280 to go to Q school this year, So I don't 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.680 know how I could be suspended further. But we'll see. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:14.200 Like an animal House, double secret probation, like that's that's 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.240 what I'm I'm curious about the guys like the James 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.000 Piots and the David Poge and those guys that never 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.880 had status on any tour. I'm curious what they could do. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.480 I don't know any how has golf changed for you 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.839 not playing in glasses anymore? Yeah, it's a little different. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.200 I'm playing sunglasses now. I had lasi um dr wouldn't 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.280 up in Washington, d C. I flew up and had 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.280 had lastick with him. It was great, everything went well, 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.520 But I have kind of dry eyes anyway, so sunglasses 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.280 helped me and I'm able to see the ball a 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.239 little bit better. So I've never been able to wear sunglasses. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.320 I'm taking full advantage of that. Now. Did you compare 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.960 notes with Tiger at all about about playing with glasses 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.160 and without? No, But it's the same doctor that he 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.960 used so very very renowned. Is there is there like 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.400 a ten percent off discount if you're a professional golfer, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.800 Like this is just Michael not. He wants to hear 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.560 about you know, your glasses and the and the food 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.720 in in Egypt. And I'm really super hyper focused on 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.319 what this all means in the larger scheme of professional 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.960 golf because you are you are in this really unique 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.120 position anyway, You're kind of you You're like the canary 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.080 in the coal mine, like how the tour deals with you, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.600 and it could have ramifications for a lot of other players. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.960 So I'm amazed you haven't had much contact with the tour. Um, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.120 you know, I would think that that, you know, it 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.960 just sounds like you're still learning as you go, Like 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.679 what this means, We're all we're all learning every day, 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.720 you know what I mean. It's obviously a new territory 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.600 and no one really knows what's going to happen. So 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.719 um then as hasn't been done before, so we'll just 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.199 keep playing about here and taking it as it comes. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.000 All right, Well, let's put you on the hots here. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.400 So you you you want to qualify on a wet 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.120 you know, early in the season, you play well, you 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.320 you finished type for ninth. Now you can play the 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.640 next tour event. But there's there's a live event where 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.040 you you've gotten yourself into and the powers that we 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.800 make it clear you know that this is the fork 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.400 in the road you got You're either fish or foul. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.280 You gotta you gotta pick your metaphor. You gotta make 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.079 a choice here, like what do you do? I don't know. 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:26.280 I'm probably calling Mac Barnhart say, I don't know, man, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.120 that'd be tough, but it'd be It'd be a good 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.280 problem to have, it, would it would? What what did 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.640 you find in your game that that that helped you? Um, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.520 you know, go to this next level in Egypt? You 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.480 know we talked in your previous pot about some injuries 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.560 and some swing changes, and you've had a run of 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.400 bad luck. But what what got you across the line? Oh? Alan, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.640 it is the floor now open to golf question. Okay, now, okay, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.960 whatever you want, Michael, go for it. Yeah, my body's 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.440 come a long way. Um. So when I played the event, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.840 that first Asian Tour event I played was at Slately Hall. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.160 It was the International Series the week before I live, 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.960 and my body was awful. My back was hurting. Wasn't 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.280 really happy to be of course, because I wasn't able 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.240 to swing like I wanted to and I had a 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.319 chance to win in Korea. So getting back into contention again, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.240 feeling those juices, I learned a lot from that experience. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.120 I kind of blew a lead on the back now 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.200 and there um had a chance to win and then 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.240 messed it up, And so I learned a lot from that. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.040 You know that that helped me coming down the stretch. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.720 And that's cool. How did you celebrate on after the win? 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.560 I took all the boys to dinner, So all the 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.720 Americans that were with us, we all went to dinner. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.160 And I guess that's our ever wins that wins the 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.560 event takes everybody out to dinner. Nice. That'll be our 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.520 tradition over there. And he you had to you've dug 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.400 deep in your young life. You want you want to 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.680 hear a shocker aland this young man is twenty four 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.880 years old. It feels like we've known him forever. But 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.200 time slowed during the pandemic, and you had to wait 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.480 a long time to play in that Masters. And and 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.880 also it's some other things. Where did you a lot 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.360 of people might have just hung it up, uh and 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.440 done something else? Uh? Where did you find the strength 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.520 to uh to to really stay at it and and 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.160 and rise to the level where you are right now. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:18.120 I love playing golf, I love competing. I love everything 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.560 about golf. And it doesn't really matter. I've I've always 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.600 said it, and I'll keep saying it. It doesn't matter 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.680 where the tournament's at. I'm not scared to go anywhere 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.760 in the world. Um. I just want to play golf, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.000 and I want to play in golf tournaments that matter, 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.600 and golf tournaments that have world ranking points, and golf 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.120 tournaments that can get me to be one of the 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.840 best players in the world. So, um, that's been my 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.760 goal since I was four or five years old, and 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.720 that will continue to be my goal until I get there. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.840 So um that's that's my only focus. And um, I 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.960 never lost confidence. I knew my good golf was still 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.160 really good. I just I was not able to play 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.200 golf like I wanted to because my body was not 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.040 in a good place. So now that my body is now, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.120 I get to really see, uh see where my game's 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.520 out and and just what do you take from that 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.040 that hold experience out Augusta with Tiger Woods for those 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:09.520 in no, no, and he played two rounds with the 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.080 Tiger and made the cut. What you know now a 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.320 couple of years later, what do you take from that experience? Yeah, 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.640 I mean I remember just the nerves that I had 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.840 before I tied that up and Um, there were actually 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.720 a lot less than I expected. I kinda I made 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.880 it such a big deal in my head, and UM 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.800 kind of amped up so much that I felt like 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.360 when I got to the first tea I was kind 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.080 of calm, and once I hit the tea shot, even 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.120 though I didn't get off to a great start, my 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.600 mind was not just like into the shots, but um, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.320 I felt like my body reacted better than I thought 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.960 it would, and I just I've kind of taken that 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.320 further in my career that coming on the back nine 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.200 of the Asian Tour International Series of it that I 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.640 just won. I mean I had had a friend tell 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.000 me once, uh, no matter how nervous you are, you're 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.639 still gonna make contact with the ball, go hit it 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.960 and find it. So I mean that's kind of the 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.280 mindset I'll play with, is like, Yeah, I mean, my 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.560 my hands may be shaking, I might be nervous, I 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.800 might be thinking bad thoughts or whatever people think are 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.840 bad thoughts. But um, I've done a lot of work 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.359 with sports psychologists throughout the years, and I've learned a 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.440 lot from from a lot of different people, and I'll 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.920 just take tidbits from from everyone and trying to piece 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.960 together what works for me, and um, I'll keep trying 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.760 to do that for for the rest of my career 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.960 and just trying to get a little better every day 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.919 and every tournament and just keep building into and hopefully 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.960 what's to come. I love that. Padrick Harrington told me 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.520 one time. He said, you know what I learned is 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.480 there's not an infinite nervousness, like there's only you can 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.920 only get maximum nerves. And and then you realize it's 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.800 not that much different on back nine and you're trying 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.080 to win an Open championship as it was on Thursday, 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.080 and you're trying to make the cut or Friday or 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.480 whatever it is. And he said, it's just that was 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:03.000 a huge relief to him when he realized he knew 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.920 what it felt like. Thing that like everyone else is 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.000 feeling the same thing. It's not like you're bad or 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.680 weak because you feel nervous, like everyone feels the same thing. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.560 Some people are just a lot better at hand and 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.800 embrace and others and yeah, that's what I mean. Tiger 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.000 said a lot about that. Tiger says was never He'll 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.960 never play a tournament unless he has butterflies. When he 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.240 tease it up on Thursdays, right, So I mean there 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.479 has been some events this past year that I had 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.040 had no butterflies on Thursday because I was playing so 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.840 bad it I wasn't not gonna wait all tournaments. So 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:35.920 it's great to be back in a place where I 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.399 am feeling nervous. I'm so thankful to feel nerves. And uh, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.640 my my coach in college always said, you know, if 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.640 you're if you're feeling nervous, if you're anxious, something goods happening, 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.040 So embrace that and run towards it versus you know, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.480 being afraid of that. So I've never never been afraid 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.080 of of nerves and pressure, and I've always actually played 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.000 better when when I'm under the gun. That's really neat um. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.679 And speaking of sports a colleges, I think you talked 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.639 to one on almost daily basis, even though he doesn't 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.440 have the degree. A friend of Allen's in mind, Mac 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.040 partnhark uh what what what kind of role does Mac 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.400 play in your life? And and tell our audience please 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.119 if you would a little bit about Mac for those 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.359 who wouldn't know him. Ac is listed as my agent, 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.600 but I think he's more of a life coach. He's 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.280 he's seen this for so long, and I mean he's 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.280 been around the game for thirty plus years. So, um, 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.200 I think all the advice I can get from him, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.160 and I picked his brain a lot and call him 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.200