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Speaker 1: Alan ship Knuck back from their Fire Drill podcast. We

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Speaker 1: are delighted to be joined Michael Bamberg and I that

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Speaker 1: I don't know if people are gonna flout Australia to

430
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Speaker 1: play Monday Qualifier. They might, they might, But are you

431
00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: hearing that that's gonna happen? I haven't heard that. No, Yeah, sorry, Ryan,

432
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: we try and that'd be cool, it really cool. No,

433
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: I've been I've been hearing. I've been hearing a lot

434
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: of buzz about that, because again, in the ongoing attempts

435
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 1: to get world ranking points, last year, they let the

436
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: current order of merit on the Asians who are into

437
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: the events. So if you were fourth on the list

438
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: going into one of the events, then you didn't get in.

439
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: But if you, you know, finished second the next Asian

440
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: who are International Series and moved up to third on

441
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 1: the order of merit, then you got in the next

442
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: live events. So it kind of wasn't Monday qualifying away

443
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: because the current order of merit was getting into all

444
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: the events. So I don't know if they'll keep that

445
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: going next year, but I think it was really cool

446
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: how they did that this year. Yeah, for the listeners

447
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: who may not not understand, how would you define the

448
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: relationship between the International Series and Asian Tour. Yeah, so

449
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: the International Series is like the elevated purses and a

450
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: little bit smaller. I think some of them are smaller

451
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: fields and Asian Tour events I could be wrong there,

452
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: but usually add twenty people and there backed by um

453
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: Lift Golf. So the persons this year between one and

454
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: a half and two million. There was seven events out

455
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: of the I don't know how many events. The Asian

456
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: Tour has probably twenty five. So they're just these elevated

457
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: events kind of like the w gcs are the invitationals

458
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour. Um how they are affiliated with

459
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: the tour, but it's a different category of exemptions to

460
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: get in. Yeah, and next year I think that the

461
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: International series persons are gonna go to three million, right

462
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: or even three five. So these some that are three,

463
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: I think most are going to be two to three.

464
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 1: So as you, as you've had this sort of unlikely

465
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: role as this this this pioneer across the vast landscape

466
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Speaker 1: professional golfer, are you getting more questions now from from

467
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: young Americans about how all this works going always asked me,

468
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: like what's going on with Live and what's going on

469
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: with the Asian Tour? And I just think it's a

470
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: may eason to me how little people know in America

471
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: about the Asian Tour and all the other tours across

472
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, I've learned a lot about the

473
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, are the Japanese Tour and the Korean Tour

474
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: and the Asian Tour, and there's the Minto Tour now

475
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: that we've found, and I just think there's and Sunshine

476
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: Tour and Challenge Tour, Like there's so many places to

477
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: play in the world. And I've become friends with a

478
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: lot of these guys in the Asian Tour, and I

479
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: mean they hold cards on three or four different tours.

480
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: So um, there's a lot of guys out there that

481
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: play forty events a year across the world. So um,

482
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: I just think Americans get so stuck into this, like

483
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: you have to go to corn Ferry Q School and

484
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: then you have to go if you don't get through that,

485
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: then you have to go to PGA Tour Canada, and

486
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: then if you don't get through that, then you have

487
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: to go to Latin America to have to get to

488
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: the corn Ferry Tour because that's the only routes to

489
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. So um, I think it's really interesting

490
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: that if you don't make it through HU school, there

491
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: are a lot of other opportunities to make a great

492
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Speaker 1: living playing golf. I mean, there's a lot of people

493
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: making over a million dollars a year playing golf, and um,

494
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: you're definitely not doing that playing Monday qualifiers and many

495
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: tour events in America. So I think people just really

496
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: need to open up to the idea that there's a

497
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: big world out there and if you if you're willing

498
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: to travel and um, willing to do some hard things,

499
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: and you can you can make it a lot of

500
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: different places. How and this this young man is a

501
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: good spokesman for his tour, isn't he? Yeah? That was

502
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: that was very, very very impressive, and the wondering have

503
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: you were you able to spend any time with Greg

504
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: Norman and if so, what are what are your impressions

505
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: of him? Yeah, he was really nice to me. Um.

506
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: We did some emailing before the first event, Um talked

507
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: a lot, and then the first event he came up

508
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: to me and he was like, hey, man, I know

509
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: you've you've been struggling. I've seen you in the pt

510
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: room every day. He was like, just go out there

511
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Speaker 1: and give it your best. And I thought that was

512
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: super nice that you can took the time it was

513
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: at the welcome party, took the time to come over

514
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: and speak to me and and give me that that

515
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: little pep talk, because Um, I was worried and you know,

516
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: I I was kind of embarrassed because of how I

517
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: was playing, and Um, for him to come up and

518
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: embrace me like that was super great. And then he

519
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: sent me a nice note congratulations after I want in Asia.

520
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: So that was really nice of him and I really

521
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: appreciated that. I mean, it takes a certain amount of

522
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: bravery to admit that you're embarrassed by your score, right.

523
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean that a lot a lot of pro athletes,

524
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: a lot of pro golfers won't go there. But I

525
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: mean that that's real emotion. And um, I guess I'm

526
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, if we can project fifteen years from now

527
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: and you've had a very long, prosperous career, Andy, wherever

528
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: you just wind up playing, what do you think this

529
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: little stretch will have have meant to you and your development,

530
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: everything you've gone through and now not winning. You know,

531
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: I just think I'll look back to this moment as

532
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: like getting through a rough period, right, because I had

533
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: I did. I had a lot go wrong. I mean

534
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: you look at turning pro and COVID and you know,

535
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: turning pro at the wrong time, and then having hip

536
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: surgery and then kind of all the residual effects that

537
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: I had from that surgery, and um getting the final

538
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: stage and I had a pulled muscle in my elbow

539
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: that week, which is like a super fluke thing, And

540
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, all these things just kept happening, and it

541
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 1: felt like I had the wind in my face for

542
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: such a long time that I was able to get

543
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: through that and finally get to the top of the mountain,

544
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: so to speak, and go down the other side, which

545
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: is what I'm what I'm hoping to do now. So, um,

546
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: you never know, golf. I mean, anything can happen in golf.

547
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: I could. I could go back to the other side

548
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: of the mountain tomorrow. But um, it feels like I

549
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: finally kind of made it over the crest. That's awesome.

550
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: I love it. That seems like the right place to

551
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: end this conversation. But I was joking, but I wasn't joking.

552
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we'll try and do this again

553
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: at the right moment, because, um, you know, you've I

554
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: think golf fans are learning a lot through your story,

555
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: and I think it's I think it's really cool people

556
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: are able to be exposed to the Asian tour and

557
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: all the things that people are doing over there because

558
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: this it's such a different lifestyle, and I want to

559
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: be I want to be active on social media and

560
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of show people all the all the things that

561
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: are possible if you're willing to travel and try new things.

562
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: So I've tried to eat a lot of different food.

563
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: I've tried to take in the local cultures. I've tried

564
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: to see all the local attractions that tourists do, and UM,

565
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's super cool to be

566
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: twenty four and travel in the world and playing golf

567
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: and doing what I love. So I'm like, I'm in

568
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: a good place and we'll see what and you do

569
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: happen to know what happened to your world golf ranking

570
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: as as it relates to winning in Egypt. Yeah, so

571
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: that's a that's an interesting topic. Is something I want

572
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: to talk about. Actually, because I've attracted my attempt to

573
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: end the podcast, continue please, UM. I was looking at

574
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: the world rankings and I got four and a half

575
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: points for winning, which is great. But I looked at

576
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Scott Vincent's world ranking and Scott Vincen's top one hund

577
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: in the world right now, and when he at Slately

578
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: Hall the first of it, it of the year before

579
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: people really knew that the International Series was part of

580
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: Live and before um it was gonna be the qualifying

581
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: tour for Live. Scott Vincent got sixteen points for winning

582
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: that tournament, and then all of a sudden they redid

583
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: the the structure of the Asian Tour um official World

584
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: Golf Ranking points and I got four and a half

585
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: for winning now, so um, it's almost the fourth of

586
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: what it was before. But I mean it's still great.

587
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: It gives me I went from hundred in the world

588
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: to eight hundreds, so um, I think, uh, it's great.

589
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: But there's there's no way you can ever get to

590
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, top fifty, top whatever in the world if

591
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: you're if you're only getting four and a half for

592
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: winning a strong tournament. Part of me and I for

593
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: not doing this. What what is the reference where Asian

594
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Tour wins quartered in terms of value in a Yeah,

595
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: I was not aware that. Yeah. I mean they basically

596
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: the the world ranking periodically overhauls it how it does

597
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: the math. This has been going on forever. There's always

598
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: been squawking about this, that or the other. But the

599
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: new changes definitely hurt um certain tours and certain events,

600
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: and it seems it seems Asia took a big hit.

601
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Reed came out and said that, oh man, we're

602
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: just gonna come play these Asian Tour events to keep

603
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: our world ranking up, and um, the next week the

604
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: rank redone. So maybe coincidence, but I don't think it is.

605
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that that's not a bigger story because you

606
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: would think just on the basic logic of it, as

607
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: the fields improvement quality, you would think it would go

608
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: the other way, not one thing. It almost sounds Michael like,

609
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: you're right, you're writing a legal brief that could be

610
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: introduced as an opening statement in a court of lot

611
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: at some point. Um, it could be I think it, Yeah, Alan, Alan,

612
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: Aside from you and Bob Harrick, are there are there

613
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: too many of our colleagues know about this? It sounds yeah,

614
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: It's been a talking point, Michael, And I think it

615
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: feels somewhat inevitable that unless something changes quick, there is

616
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: going to be a lawsuit between Live and or the

617
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: Asian Tour against the world ranking governing body. And it's

618
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: probably gonna get be filed in the UK, which seems

619
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: to be a lot more friendly to those arguments. And

620
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: so um, you know this, this has been bubbling up,

621
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: um and when you know the as Andy very succinctly summarized, it's, um,

622
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: it's countertuitive. If a tour is getting stronger, it should

623
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: be getting more points, not less. And so um, it's

624
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see what happens for sure. Yeah,

625
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm intrigued. I'm sure you are. I mean, part

626
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: of part of the part of the appeal, of course

627
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: of the Masters over the years, was there were you know,

628
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: long before Tiger Woods, there was always a Tiger Wood Zori,

629
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: Greg and Norman of some tour you didn't know much about,

630
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: and come in April, this guy would show up, you know,

631
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: one of the Ozaki brothers or whomever it might. That

632
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: might not be the best example, but somebody you didn't know.

633
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: And it's just weird to think that you could be

634
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: the Tiger Woods and Asian Tour and not play your

635
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: way into the Masters. I play with some guys that

636
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: are super impressive. I'm like, man, there's there's good players everywhere.

637
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: It's not just not just in America, that's for sure. Well,

638
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: this conversation shows me on how you have to really

639
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: keep an open mind about everything that's going on in

640
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: golf now, and you can't just go on the information

641
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: you already have. You got to be open to learning

642
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: new things. I'm really glad to have this conversation that

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that last part or any of

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Speaker 1: Vandy story. Really, it's terrific to know I've got I've

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Speaker 1: got all my friends, uh signing up for Asian Tour

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Speaker 1: Key School, so I need I need some bodies over there. Yeah. Well,

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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: and and by the way, the first time ever they're

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Speaker 1: doing Asian Tour Q School in the US. I mean

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Speaker 1: it just shows you how all the walls are coming down.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm hearing there's rumors of there might be

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Speaker 1: a couple of international series even in America next year,

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Speaker 1: So fingers crossed for that. I would love to love

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Speaker 1: to flop three hours to an event. That sounds awesome.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's cool. You're going Indonesia like that, That's

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Speaker 1: that's near the top of my bucket list. I've I've

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Speaker 1: been to a lot of places, but people love Indonesia.

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Speaker 1: I think you have a great time there. It's pretty

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Speaker 1: funny if you google farthest place from me in the

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Speaker 1: world right now where I'm sitting is Indonesia. What is

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Speaker 1: what is your what is your route by airport? How

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Speaker 1: are you gonna get there? Looking at it right now, um,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to figure it out. It's like do you

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Speaker 1: go east or do you go west? That so I

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Speaker 1: think we'll probably got a soul of Korea and then

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Speaker 1: go from there. It's like fifteen direct to Soul and

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Speaker 1: then like another seven or eight man. Yeah, I'm flying

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Speaker 1: to Melbourne next month and that's I think fifteen or

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Speaker 1: sixteen NonStop international series is starting in Australia, so that'd

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Speaker 1: be cool. I've never been Australia off all the continents

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Speaker 1: for me playing golf. Yeah, you're gonna love it. You're

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Speaker 1: the courses down there are spectacular. Like I've been having

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Speaker 1: this debate with people, especially around Melbourne, like from the

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Speaker 1: West Coast, it's almost the same trip to get to

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Speaker 1: Melbourne as it is to get to to Dublin or

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Speaker 1: to get to you know, uh, Edinburgh. And I think

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Speaker 1: if I think if you go to Australia, you might

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Speaker 1: get the best golf experience of all of them. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna m fast. And I've always liked that kind

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Speaker 1: of golf. So cool. That's killing all right, Well, this

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Speaker 1: is uh we set out to educate the golf fans.

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Speaker 1: Turns out we've educated Michael Bamberger and myself along the way.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for your golf fans. So we are

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Speaker 1: at our core. We are Yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 1: a good stuff. We appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Andy,

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Yeah, let's do something, make some more noise,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have you back on. We'll keep this conversation going,

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Speaker 1: so keep keep the putter hot, keep all right, good stuff,

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Speaker 1: thanks again, thank you, all right he yes,