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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Talking to Death. If you're a fan

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Speaker 2: of conspiracies and the unexplained, you're gonna love this week's guest.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Frederick is a co host of the iHeart podcast

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Speaker 2: Stuff They Don't Want You To Know, where he dives

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Speaker 2: deeply into conspiracies. Matt Frederick is a good friend of

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Speaker 2: Pains and the entire Tenderfoot family. He's an executive producer

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Speaker 2: on Atlanta Monster and Talking to Death, among many other

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Speaker 2: shows from Tenderfoot. In this episode, Pain and Matt talk

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Speaker 2: about their favorite conspiracies. They talk about aliens, they talk

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Speaker 2: recent Trump assassination attempt. So, without further ado, this week

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Speaker 2: Matthew Frederick, Well.

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Speaker 1: We're back, man, Matthew Frederick. I've known you for a

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Speaker 1: long time, man, ever since I've started podcasting. I think

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Speaker 1: i've known you. Do you remember the first time we met.

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Speaker 3: I think I do was back in twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 1: Man, I was like, to meet me, why, yeah, well

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Speaker 1: to meet you got twenty seventeen especially, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, for real, because you guys were already creating something

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Speaker 3: that Ben and Nolan and I who make stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know. We kind of we were

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Speaker 3: envious of, like putting together a story like that that

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Speaker 1: Right, So you're you were used to. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, usually pretty bad, It could be bad, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but no, but it was really cool, man, because you

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Speaker 1: That young whipper snapper who's only like a couple of

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Speaker 1: what is real and what is not completely indiscernible to

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Speaker 1: anyone's eyes or ears. And that it's going to become

440
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Speaker 1: crucial in this five to ten year stint where we're

441
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Speaker 1: adapting to that or figuring out how we verify and

442
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: validate it, that we really put on our thinking caps

443
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: and you know, do actual critical thinking, which I feel

444
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: like in a lot of ways, you know, the accessibility

445
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: of the internet and as has expanded, even in my

446
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: own lifetime, it has made it easier to not have

447
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: to use critical thinking. Yeah, and so I could totally

448
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: get behind this sort of fear of the masses, almost

449
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: never having learned how to critically think, and everyone just

450
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: kind of just going to believe whatever they want to believe.

451
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: And does truth matter anymore? Right, dude?

452
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Speaker 3: I hope. So that's I mean, that's what benan Olan

453
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: and I do every week, five times a week. We're

454
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Speaker 3: just like guys, let's think. Let's think some of these

455
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: Montessori schools and some of the more alternative like early

456
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: education schools are all about learning how to think rather

457
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: than learning the facts and the information you put in

458
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 3: your head, because all that is available now. If you

459
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: want to learn anything, you can find it right now.

460
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: But you need to learn how to process that information.

461
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: How do you incorporate it into the stuff you already know?

462
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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? What are you doing with that? Yeah? You

463
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: could memorize a fact, but what the fuck does it mean? Yeah?

464
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Speaker 1: How are you applying this or is there any significance

465
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Speaker 1: at all? Should you just you know, bury that one

466
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Speaker 1: in the back, you know? Yeah?

467
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, I also worry about how he is going

468
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: to perceive other people because I think, I think a

469
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: lot of social media has changed us into a bit

470
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Speaker 3: of a society of folks who have a surface thing

471
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: going on and then the people we actually are. And

472
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't like that very much.

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that part definitely sucks. Bring back MySpace, you know. Yeah,

474
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: I want to have a song playing to tell you

475
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: what mood I'm in without having to tell you, so

476
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sad today.

477
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Speaker 3: Did you ever have a band MySpace page?

478
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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, for sure? Oh man, me too, and one

479
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: and I also had you know one for me? Yeap?

480
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: Are those gone forever? Are those like on the internet? Archive? Somewhere.

481
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: I tried so hard to find mine it was gone.

482
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Speaker 1: It's totally okay if they're gone, because they would be

483
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: very cringey. But I'd also be, you know, a little curious. Well,

484
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: can we talk about I want to talk about something, Okay.

485
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate the way you edit things. I've had

486
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Speaker 3: the I've been lucky enough to sit down next to

487
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Speaker 3: you with a laptop and watch you edit. Specifically, I'm

488
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: thinking about the Zodiac intro, like the first moments in

489
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Speaker 3: Monster the Zodiac Killer that you came out to San

490
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: Francisco and you gone on a laptop and you just

491
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Speaker 3: cut that thing and I watched you do it. I

492
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 3: want to talk about how much an understanding of music,

493
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Speaker 3: how important that is when it comes to editing, like

494
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: any kind of audio or even video. I feel like rhythm, timing,

495
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: cadence of dynamics, all of those concepts that are very

496
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: musical in nature, how important they are when you apply

497
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Speaker 3: them to a listening or visual experience, Like, how do

498
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Speaker 3: you do that?

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Speaker 1: To me? Personally, it's crucial. It's how I was ever

500
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Speaker 1: able to get any better edit or train myself, teach

501
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 1: myself and learn how to be a better editor. I

502
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: was never a good musician. I can hear it, I

503
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: can hear melodies. I can visualize things, but when it

504
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: comes to like, you know, playing the drums with my hands,

505
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: like I'm just I don't have the coordination, or painting

506
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: a picture, it's going to look terrible. But I've always

507
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: been able to visualize things from a young age, and

508
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: so when it comes to editing, I started editing super

509
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 1: young in my life. My dad bought one of the

510
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: first max was. It was the it was the iMac

511
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: that had the different colors. Mine was a blue one,

512
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: and the first generation came with the iMovie suite and

513
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: garage band. And so I started started editing my own videos.

514
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: And back then it was all it started off as

515
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: as many VHS tapes and I'd had to basically play

516
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: it through this device into the computer to import it

517
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Speaker 1: at real time. And then I would take that and

518
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: because it was it would just all be one clip,

519
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: I'd have to go in there and cut it up specifically. Actually,

520
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: let me go back further. The first editing I technically

521
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: did was on the camera itself, before there was iMovie

522
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: or a con or friendly editing software. Yeah, I would

523
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: take my VHS camera and I would do a shot.

524
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: If I didn't like it, I'd rewind it and try

525
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: to pause it at that right spot and then hit

526
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Speaker 1: record and record over it. Yeah, do that over and

527
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: over again. And so for a lot of my early

528
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, childhood home movies with my siblings in it,

529
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: there's occasionally like this weird blip of like and that

530
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be there, or like a stop start

531
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: that's so great, man, But like it started that way,

532
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: and then once I had iMovie, I was like, Wow,

533
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: this makes us so much easier. And then I went

534
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 1: from there to final cut, and then they got rid

535
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: of final cut, like the change they changed it, and

536
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: eventually moved on to premiere. And so you know, in

537
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: the history of how I got here in my career,

538
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: I was always in the video, always in this storytelling.

539
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: I started making my own music in garage band, just

540
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, on the keyboard loops and creating different melodies

541
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: and you know, singing on them, and then editing that,

542
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: and then I also would edit the music videos for those,

543
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and then that turned into me eventually doing music videos

544
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: for other artists full time. And you know, a music

545
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: video is basically an edit to a song, and so

546
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: there's a there's an important cadence and pacing that is

547
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: just one just kind of obvious. And then then it

548
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: becomes okay, well, how do I get creative with this

549
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: to where it's not just you know, cutting on every

550
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: single beat? But you know, how can I you know,

551
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: what works visually to the eye. And that just takes

552
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: time to learn and experience. And so when I started

553
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: editing podcasts, it was in some ways a lot easier

554
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: because there was only one thing to focus on. It

555
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: was just the sound. But then it became, oh shit,

556
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: it's just the sound. So if I'm in the basement

557
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: of this you know, archive place and there's records all

558
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: around me and it's you know, thirty foot ceilings, an

559
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: establishing shot in a video could tell you that immediately

560
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: without me saying anything or there being no sound. But

561
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: how do I do that? How do I tell you

562
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: the same thing without always having to literally tell you that?

563
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: Or what are clever ways I can take you somewhere

564
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: and then explain as least amount as possible so I

565
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: don't sound redundant, or when do I really need to

566
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: tell you what's going on? And what this looks like

567
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: so you can get what I'm talking about. And that's

568
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: been a kind of a fun thing to learn, I think. Yes,

569
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: I've made more and more podcasts over the years, and

570
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: it's like a constant puzzle I'm trying to solve, as

571
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, how do I, you know, make the perfect

572
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: podcast or something? W how do I make it better

573
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: than the last one? Right?

574
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? Good lord, that kind of pressure.

575
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: Man, I appreciate that though. I've just edited for a

576
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: long time and it just is absolutely just repetition and

577
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: I would probably cringe at a lot of my old edits.

578
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have the tendency to cut it way too fast. Yeah,

579
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: And so like eventually I had to learn that, like

580
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: even though it's sounding correct in this moment, it's it

581
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: is too fast and like kind of just tweaked that

582
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: even though my brains tell me otherwise than if I

583
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: go take a break for an hour, come back. Oh yeah,

584
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: I was right, And so like I'm wasting less time.

585
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: My decision making is not as stalled. I can make

586
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: them quicker. The faster you make those basic decisions, the

587
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: sooner you can get to doing something maybe even more creative,

588
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: which might take more time or trial and error.

589
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: Right, for any early editors out there, I think the

590
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: best piece of advice I ever got was respect the rest,

591
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: as in the rest musically right. So you've got a

592
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: bunch of them notes if your thinking, you know about

593
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: your edit, you got a bunch of beats, and then

594
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 3: the rest becomes the most important thing in all of

595
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: that because it gives you time to remember what was

596
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 3: just said and really internalize it, crystallize a thought about it,

597
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: then move on to the next thing, and you can

598
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: and you anticipate the next thing, and you can really

599
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: build that anticipation. And that's what dude, That's why I

600
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: love MAV so much. Makeup and Vanity set that does

601
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 3: a lot of them.

602
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: He's amazing.

603
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: Matt is just incredible. And when you've got a good

604
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: piece of music to edit to, just like you were

605
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: talking about with the music videos, like it changes I

606
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: don't know, it changes my mood in the edit, like

607
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: when I'm physically there doing it because I like listening

608
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: to the track a bunch of different times as I'm trying.

609
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: To get you know, it's like for me, it's inspo, right,

610
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: It's it's it's harder to get into some dark, you

611
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: know mood when you're talking about a serial killer or something,

612
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: if you're not hearing some brooding, you know, drony sound

613
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: that kind of take you there and reminds you of

614
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: how deep and scary this shit really is, right, And

615
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: so editing to that is way easier, even if it's

616
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: just temp. But I've also had to learn how to

617
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: just kind of do it like just raw dog it,

618
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: like kind of like envision it and almost edit to

619
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: like a pace to where I think this is probably

620
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: more a testament to how MAVs than I have, I

621
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: guess grown in our creative relationship together kind of knowing

622
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: what to expect from him and vice versa. I can

623
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of almost at this point and I actually I

624
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: just recently did it make an entire thing, and I

625
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: can visualize or imagine the spacing that I'm putting in

626
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: there one for where my vo will go to kind

627
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: of a little reprieve like you're talking about that MAVs

628
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: will probably recognize in this and he can score it.

629
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: And for the most or there's never a bunch of

630
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: drastic bumping stuff around unless it sparked some new cool idea,

631
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: which that happens all the time, and that's just even

632
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: cooler than the first idea, right, Yep. Part of my

633
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: drive is that I want people to connect to me

634
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: through this vessel, and so that that's still like a

635
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: really strong component of all the work I do. And

636
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: I really don't feel inspired to do any creative work

637
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: unless I have that feeling.

638
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: I want to talk more about High Strange when you're ready.

639
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm very ready, dude.

640
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: Okay, is there anything in High Strange that we didn't

641
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: get to hear because you weren't allowed to put it

642
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: in there, or you didn't you felt like it was

643
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: too out there, or something that you feel comfortable actually

644
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: discussing maybe vaguely.

645
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I think that I tried to, like my overall goal

646
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: with at least the first installment of High Strange was

647
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: to find like the most convincing, hardest to debunk UFO

648
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 1: stories of our modern day, you know, in the last

649
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: fifty years in America that have like supporting evidence, whether

650
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: it be actual tape or you know, actually what comes

651
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: to mind, they're the Rindlesham Forest story. So we talked

652
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: to Charles Holt and Jim Peniston and they've both you know,

653
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: famously always claim that this happened. I believe both of them.

654
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: But Jim, when he told his story, which took I

655
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: swear to God, like three hours, I think he's just

656
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: spent like so much time thinking about this and trying

657
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: to explain it and writing books about it that he's

658
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: almost created another like additional narrative story that maybe didn't happen.

659
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: This sounds a little wonky, and so I left that

660
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: part out because it sounded wonky, and Charles Hall will

661
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: also say it sounds wonky, So I kind of left

662
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: out both of them kind of beefing with each other.

663
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Charles Holt seems to feel like Jim Peniston is, you know,

664
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: discrediting this story by saying some of the things that

665
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: he's saying, and so to me, it kind of actually

666
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: further validated the story. There was a lot of witnesses,

667
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: but I think that Jim's story about seeing the craft

668
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: and going up and touching it and like this whole

669
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: numbers thing and like this code that he thinks means this,

670
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: and that like he's just gone too far into hypothesizing

671
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: what these things mean or has imagined some of it up,

672
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: and it it kind of makes it sound like it's

673
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: in La La land now. But what is true is

674
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: that people saw stuff and it wasn't the lighthouse, yes,

675
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: and and they were very scared. And no matter what

676
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: it was, the the government seemed to think it was

677
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: a big deal. I don't know why they'd ever make

678
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: a big deal about a lighthouse that's always been there

679
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: doing the same damn thing every night. So something else happened.

680
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: And Dylan actually interviewed Charles Holt. His was the most

681
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: convincing interview because he was, you know, kind of reluctant

682
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: to do this, like he's done it in the past

683
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: and he's felt like he's been taking advantage of or

684
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: made this sound like a looney and you know the

685
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: same with Travis Walton. These guys weren't chomping at the

686
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: bit to talk and tell this story. They were like, God,

687
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to relive this again.

688
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to explain myself again

689
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: and subject myself to this criticism. Because the thing is,

690
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: I know that I saw this, but I don't know

691
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: what it was. I don't have I don't know how

692
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: to explain it to you or convince you that it's true.

693
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: It just is, and that would be frustrating, right, Yeah,

694
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: to go a lifetime and having experienced an unexplained thing

695
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: that was super impactful to your life and shape your

696
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: perception of the universe that you can't explain and people

697
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: don't believe, or some people don't believe.

698
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: It makes me think about Ryan Graves and a lot

699
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: of those military personnel and seeing seeing the very specific

700
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: thing that you described in your show. And it's a

701
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: show we've didn that right, yes, and and some of

702
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: the some of the they call them, it's like spheres

703
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: that are almost clear and then there's something gray at

704
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: the center of the sphere.

705
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: Dude, very strange specific description there. Yes, So there's rings

706
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: true and real to me.

707
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 3: I have a buddy used to play in a band

708
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: with me. He lives in Augusta and Augusta, Georgia, and

709
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: he has been going outside every night and just bought

710
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: a telescope and is attempting to get high quality footage

711
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: of nightly UAP that are going over a very specific

712
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: part of wherever he lives in Augusta. He wants to

713
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: be a little vague, but the dude is one of

714
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: the most reliable people I know. And he had. He's

715
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 3: talked to me for like two hours on the phone

716
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 3: now at this point, like trying to explain that he's

717
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: not crazy. And he's seeing these things that are lights

718
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: in the sky of different colors that are releasing other

719
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: lights and it's happening nightly and it's.

720
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: Huge and I'm just seeing and he's.

721
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: Trying to capture it right now, like tonight, he's going

722
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: to try and capture footage and send it to me

723
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: so I can send it to you actually, but.

724
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Please let me see this. Yeah, and if he ever wants,

725
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, company, well.

726
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's trying to get better optics. So I

727
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 3: was like, well, dang, I need to talk to Pain

728
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: and see what kind of optic or you know, what

729
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: kind of cameras he's rolling with right now, and if

730
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: there's any way to attach a telescope or something, because.

731
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we can rent a pretty big boy. We

732
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: could rent one that's like what, I don't know what

733
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: it would be, Dylan, but like I'm sure Christian would

734
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: be able to tell us whatever the most expensive long

735
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: zoom is that we can strap on something and get

736
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, capture it the best.

737
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: It'd be better than what he's working with right now.

738
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I know that's like an off

739
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: the wall thing, but this is a guy I trust that,

740
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: you know, I've got that music bond with I've spent.

741
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, this guy isn't just spinning his

742
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: wheels here. And then you know, talking on his ass.

743
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I want to see what you're talking about.

744
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he sounded scared. He said, he's scared because

745
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: it's weird. It's it's light in the sky kind of

746
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: thing where over he watched one of them light up

747
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: of a little forest that's right by his kind of

748
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: rural property where he lives. So low then and he

749
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: called the fire department, he said, because he thought there

750
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: was a forest fire right there, because this red orange

751
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: glow the way it was a little bit, it's exactly

752
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: what I was thinking. I had the images over my

753
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: head when.

754
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: They thought the same thing, just based on what it

755
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: looked like from afar, like the forest is on fire,

756
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: there's red glowing light coming out of it.

757
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he said, he said, he watched it go

758
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: up over the tree line and exit, and I'm like, man,

759
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: and it's when you hear something like that. I love

760
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: this guy, I trust this guy. But you still when

761
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: you hear something like that, for me at least, you

762
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: go are you sure?

763
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: And are are you sure? That's what you saw?

764
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: The Yeah, And it's because you have you kind of

765
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: have to go into that attitude or you know, you

766
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: just walk around. What is that thing? Ben said it

767
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: on his interview with You extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

768
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: or something like that.

769
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: It's very true. I don't know whose quote that is,

770
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but.

771
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: I just it's again Ben, Ben and Nolan I have

772
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: like a set of quotes so we don't even we

773
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: don't even attribute them to anybody anymore.

774
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: We just say them, and you're right, they're just mantras

775
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I think it's a It's always

776
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: a good thing to do. I mean, when something is

777
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: so unbelievable, you know, I know that crazy shit happens.

778
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean people have been struck by lightning literally, yeah,

779
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: like more than once, Like the impossible has happened. The

780
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: likelihood of these things maybe next to zero, but yeah,

781
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: sometimes absolutely crazy things happen. Or you know, there is

782
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: an unexplained thing that did happen that you know, we

783
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: haven't been able to, you know, wrap our minds around.

784
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: Yet I want to know your thoughts on the Trump

785
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: assassination attempt.

786
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh lord, okay? Uh so Ben and Nole did a

787
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 3: special episode yesterday. They recorded it yesterday on Jill Live

788
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: fifteenth as we're recording this, and they talked about it

789
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: at length. I wasn't able to join them for that conversation.

790
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: I've just been following it, kind of following the research

791
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: in a doc we you created that mostly been created,

792
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: and it's It's weird.

793
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: Man.

794
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: It feels to me right now like there's so much

795
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: junk being like again, the thing I worry about with

796
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: my son. There's so many theories and things that are

797
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: flying around right now. I don't want to. I don't

798
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: want to put, you know, put my horses on any

799
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: wagon right now.

800
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: Yet it feels really.

801
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 3: Weird to me personally that the Supreme Court decision came

802
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: down about official you know, presidential stuff. Did did you

803
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 3: see that Supreme Court decision about It's been applied mostly

804
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: to Donald Trump's presidency, but it said that if there's

805
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: any official actions that are taken while someone's in the

806
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: White House serving as president, that president cannot be prosecuted

807
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: for those No matter what, congressmen cannot ask the president

808
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: or any of the president's staff about their motives behind

809
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: official actions. Basically, the president has immunity for anything that

810
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: is done officially. Right, And then you watch that happen,

811
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: and I'm connecting dots here that are not connected, but

812
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: you watch that happen. Then you watch the performance of

813
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: the debates and how terribly that went for everybody.

814
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: Basically yeah, and then yeah.

815
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: And then so like president could do anything current president

816
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: does terribly. Then you start to think, like, well, who

817
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: would actually want that to happen? Who would want that

818
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: terrible thing to happen? A former president being assassinated, which

819
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: in my mind is a terrible thing, no matter how

820
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: you feel about the guy. Sure, I think I think

821
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: the only people that would be really interested are the

822
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: moneyed powers, the lobbyists, the people who write the laws,

823
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: the the money that exists for all these campaign donations,

824
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 3: all these people who are banking on having a certain

825
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: president in place. I think you follow that money, and

826
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: then you still won't make a connection to this young

827
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: kid because I don't think anybody forced him to do it.

828
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: I think, well, he's done now, so well you'll never know, right,

829
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 3: which is like the whole Patsy thing. We were looking

830
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: back at anybody, any any of the presidential assassins that

831
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: have ever existed. Basically, you don't really get to tell

832
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: your story, and if you do tell your story, like

833
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: in Syrian Cirrian's case, you either are a liar or

834
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: you sound insane, you know, talking about I have no

835
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: recollection of what happened. I can't remember, or if you

836
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: know James Earl Ray who said he was innocent the

837
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: entire time. Listen to the MLK tapes, by.

838
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: The way, please do It's great.

839
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 3: It wears me out.

840
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: Man.

841
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: I don't think somebody paid him to do it or

842
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: convinced him to do it, at least at this moment, right,

843
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 3: I know that's boring. I'm so sorry, man.

844
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, I mean like you wouldn't have

845
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: anything really to back that up confidently. For me, Like,

846
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: my basic just overall knee jerk reaction assessment is that

847
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: here's a guy standing here, and like there's a lot

848
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: of questions I have, like one like, how does this

849
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: guy get on the roof of like the only other

850
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: building that has a vantage point, yes to potentially shoot

851
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: the president in the first place. Now, that could be

852
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: human error, that could be an absolute you know, maybe

853
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: the sheriff wasn't was taken a piss in the woods

854
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: and didn't see this guy whatever. But just the the

855
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: like the luck here, like the the how close this

856
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: was to something different, like the fact that other people

857
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: died and Trump got grazed by a bullet on his

858
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: ear and it didn't take his fucking ear off. And

859
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: there's these heroic images immediately that are objectively look like, wow,

860
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: that's crazy, right, Like that's gonna be in a history book.

861
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: It's just so improbable. Yeah, And it doesn't mean that,

862
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: like I'm not inferring or suggesting that it's fake or

863
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: it's a cover up. Real bullets were shot, real people

864
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: were killed, right, But it's just is he the luckiest

865
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: person on earth? And both can exist. He could just

866
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: have been that lucky. But I think when stuff is

867
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: like that, where it makes you go, is this the

868
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: luckiest guy on the planet? Don't we do that with

869
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: everything else? You know, you're in the casino, right and

870
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: you're on a heater on roulette and you're just hitting

871
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: everything and you just win, like one hundred thousand dollars

872
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: from like five hundred bucks. What's gonna happen? Security comes

873
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: out because like this is an anomaly. They're not saying

874
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: that you're cheating, but there's a possibility that you are.

875
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: Because this doesn't happen.

876
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: Like that bear, it's not supposed to.

877
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: So it like warrants further investigation and inspection, you know,

878
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: I think and I hope that they released that. To me,

879
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: it's the ballistics, like let's see, like, guess what came

880
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: from where? That would tell me all the things that

881
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: I think I don't really know.

882
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: Well, that's what the guys just did it. By the

883
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: time this comes out, that episode will have come out,

884
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: and what they were looking at specifically were jurisdiction for

885
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: that specific building, for the roof of that building, right

886
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: and right now, the best understanding is that Secret Service

887
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: did not they believe in have said publicly that it

888
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: was not their purview to check that building. That was

889
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: local law enforcement. Local law enforcement, you know, at least

890
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 3: according to the story, came up on the roof, found

891
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: the guy who then you know, aimed the rifle at

892
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: them and then immediately aimed at at form Resident Donald

893
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: Trump and started firing like in that moment, you know,

894
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: like it was like.

895
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: A real quick yeah, and real quick thing. Yeah.

896
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: So I you know when you put for me, life

897
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: is starting to resemble more and more the thing that

898
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: we experience on one of these black screens, these black

899
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: mirrors that we all look into all day long. I'm

900
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: looking into two of them right now as we're talking.

901
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: And I think since life, as we look around in

902
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: the events we hear about, the real news stories are

903
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: resembling more and more narratives that have been written, you

904
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 3: know by some guys you graduated from Harvard.

905
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: No, it's a story, it's a it's a fairy tale.

906
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Like in real life.

907
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: You know, the weirdness factor is creeping in and getting

908
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: it's it's increasing in a way that I'm uncomfortable with.

909
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: And when anything happens. Now you can you can try well, no,

910
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 3: you can hyper focus on every little detail and break

911
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: it apart if if you want to, in a way

912
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 3: that will maybe even make you start to second guess

913
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: or doubt the truth, like the full on actual facts truth.

914
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: But if you break it down into its small enough pieces,

915
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: you might start to doubt it because you're like, but wait,

916
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: how or wait, hold on when and you know I

917
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: do that to myself. I notice I do that to

918
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 3: myself in my real world with this whole like conspiracy

919
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: theory thinking, yeah, yeah, where you connect dots sometimes and

920
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: aren't there.

921
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta check yourself. You know, you might be

922
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: kind of constructing it versus finding it.

923
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but if you don't, if you're not somewhat

924
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: vigilant or you know, hopefully not hyper vigilant, you will

925
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: miss things. And I've found that with through personal experience

926
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: in my life too, where you're just like, oh, I

927
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: never saw that coming. But if I would have been

928
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: paying attention in retrospect, oh yeah, I saw that. It's

929
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: interesting when we find ourselves, each of us, in a

930
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 3: place where we're in these social media of bubbles. We're

931
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: in our content bubbles on all the algorithms, we only

932
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: see what kind of a machine learning decides. We see that.

933
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: They think I want to see weird shit. I don't

934
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: only sometimes give me the weird shit I want to

935
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: give my girlfriend my phone. I don't always look at

936
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: that my sport page look like that. That's crazy.

937
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: It's just skateboards. I like skateboards, but.

938
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I swear they're pushing it on us. It's it's it's bad.

939
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: But we've really we've.

940
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: Run the risk all of us right now of just

941
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: being fully misinformed or dis you know, the disinformation. We

942
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: just we think the wrong stuff is reality, all of us.

943
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 3: And I'm putting myself in that boat too.

944
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a.

945
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: Dangerous time to be a human that thinks, especially a

946
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: human that thinks about thinking.

947
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I know, or doesn't think very well.

948
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in there, you know.

949
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean like when I when I saw like

950
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I saw like the like the main

951
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: news shot of the assassination attempt within a minute of

952
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: it probably happening. Yes, And my first thought, and this

953
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: is you know, only knowing what I knew then, which

954
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: was nothing. I was like, Wow, if this is real,

955
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: could there be a better pr stunt? Like what whether

956
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: it was on purpose or not, could there be a

957
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: better way to frame him as a hero. I'm not

958
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: saying that that's was intentionally done either way, that's the outcome, ye, right,

959
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: I think general consensus is going to feel that way.

960
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, shitt like he got shot at and survived it.

961
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: That's crazy, right, So Like that's a that could be

962
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: that's a heroic thing in a lot of people's books, right,

963
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: But I just thought like, wow, like for other people

964
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: to die and be injured and him to get this like,

965
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, tiny little ear cut, it's just like and

966
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: you didn't have blood all over his face. It was

967
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: just like a nice little it was just like perfect. Yeah,

968
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: And it just like stuff like that makes me just

969
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: go how And sometimes shit just happens like that, And

970
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: so I remind myself that people get struck by lightning.

971
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: The craziest shit in the world can happen. You can

972
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: flip a coin one hundred times and it can be tails.

973
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: It's possible. It doesn't matter, doesn't mean that it's likely

974
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 1: to happen or that it does happen, but it can.

975
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: And it just makes me be like, Okay, am I

976
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: missing something. It's it's still crazy either way that he

977
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: he left with just the most minor of injuries and

978
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: is instantly without a doubt winning this selection.

979
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: Now, who knows?

980
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: Man. I felt like.

981
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: I felt like after that debate, it was pretty obvious

982
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 3: who America would choose if you were given those two choices,

983
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: and the whole thing that goes back and stuff that

984
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: I want you to we talked about is a long

985
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: time ago. It's it feels like we are the whole

986
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 3: system is rigged for us already. It's rigged for them,

987
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: and we're the ones who get played because there are

988
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: only two parties. You have basically two sides of the

989
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: same coin. But it's the same coin, right, And it

990
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: doesn't matter because in the end, it's all the same money,

991
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 3: it's all the same corporations, it's all the same people

992
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: who manufacture and ship and you know, pull resources out

993
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: of the ground. It's all those same people that pull

994
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: the reins on any politician in this country, unless you're

995
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 3: on the local level or if you're you know, even

996
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: some congress people are not as easily I guess manipulated

997
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: and coerced. But man, that's just my opinion. By the way,

998
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: maybe America has a great system that's perfect, and I

999
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: just don't understand it.

1000
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: I highly doubt it.

1001
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 3: Right, But because you know, if you look at the

1002
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: electoral college, that's just really quick, I'll preach my show stuff.

1003
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 3: They don't want you to know. Has been looking at

1004
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff since two thousand and eight, two

1005
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 3: thousand and nine. We've been making a podcast since twenty thirteen,

1006
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: where we try and make those connections where here's a

1007
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: really important thing. You know, you need to know about

1008
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: the political system and the electoral college, and the way

1009
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: laws are written by lobbyist groups, the way think tanks

1010
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 3: run those lobbyist groups, the way those think tanks are

1011
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 3: run by, you know, people who used to run manufacturing corporations,

1012
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: and how it's all this interwoven thing, and then how

1013
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 3: does all of that end up translating to where weapons

1014
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 3: go in the world, where they're deployed, who the enemy

1015
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: is of the United States, how that shapes up, and

1016
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: it always brings me back to Project Blue Beam. You know,

1017
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: you remember that one pain.

1018
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: I do but give us the log line for those

1019
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: who may be unfamiliar with that.

1020
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: That's the one where some government, probably the United States

1021
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 3: government through the Pentagon, is developing something with DARPA that

1022
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 3: is akin to looks like, sounds like, feels like alien

1023
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 3: spacecraft where they could develop something in fake an alien

1024
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: invasion so that all of planet Earth has a common

1025
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 3: enemy and we all come together and we unite as one.

1026
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: It is a dude, I'm calling it now, Project Bluebeam.

1027
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: Do you think that's that's true.

1028
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think it's true. It's my favorite

1029
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory.

1030
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: Didn't It also coexists with real aliens too. Yeah?

1031
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: Good, that's the thing.

1032
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: And how would we make yo? What the fuck like?

1033
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: But where them?

1034
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: Think about the uncertainty that we just described with a

1035
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: twenty year old man who got on a roof and

1036
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 3: fired a rifle at a former president. Imagine that there

1037
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: are things in the sky coming down and the news

1038
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: is saying is showing us images of these huge craft

1039
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: that are the size of a small city or the

1040
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: size of a building or a football field, and they

1041
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: have desires and they have threats, and we just have

1042
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: to accept that whatever AP and Reuters and you know

1043
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: whoever else is reporting it, we just have to accept

1044
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: that that's actually what's happening, and that the military information

1045
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: embargo would actually be giving us the truth because you know,

1046
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: it would be controlled. So I just am I imagine

1047
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: that scenario.

1048
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: Scary scary thought.

1049
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah what Ben always says, we're fun at parties.

1050
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: We're fun at parties. Invited, Please you want to go

1051
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: to a party really bad? We don't know what a party? Yeah?

1052
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: Will be weird, I promise.

1053
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll bring my guitar. Man, I've got an acoustic

1054
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: in a jambe let's go.

1055
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: So what are you looking for to most in the

1056
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: podcast world? Man? You've been in the game for a

1057
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: long time. You've you've made killer shows. You have a

1058
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: long running successful show with stuff they don't want you

1059
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: to know. Love all those dudes, Love everyone at iHeart.

1060
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to next in your career

1061
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: creatively or beyond a.

1062
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: Couple of things. Personally, I am getting back into writing

1063
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: music again, kind of the way you were we were

1064
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 3: discussing earlier. Just having a pretty crappy setup, but just

1065
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: writing melodies and beats and that kind of thing again.

1066
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: And I love it, loving it. So I'm just doing that.

1067
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: Man. It's good for your brain creatively too, to kind

1068
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: of take yourself there, especially when you're doing you know,

1069
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: complex long form storytelling. I think it's a good kind

1070
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: of balance. And I don't know, I wish I could

1071
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: play instruments the way that you do, but I can

1072
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: appreciate it and in the same way in a different

1073
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: way kind of collaborating with MAVs on on stuff, and

1074
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good time and athletic it's a

1075
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: good use of that muscle.

1076
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, I'm excited about that stuff. I'm excited

1077
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: about the fourth season, official season of Monster Monster BTK

1078
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: with I. You know, I don't know how much we

1079
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: can talk about it yet, but it's coming this year.

1080
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, before it's coming. Yeah, it's gonna be an absolutely

1081
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: insane show. I spent a lot of hours days actually

1082
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: talking with with btk's daughter. Yeah, very sweet, strong willed

1083
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Speaker 1: person and has suffered the unimaginable and is able to

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Speaker 1: talk about it and open and it's it's very impressive,

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Speaker 1: and it's very enlightening, and it's it's also very sad

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Speaker 1: and very very ski Yeah, some of the some of

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01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: the stories that she she told us. But yeah, I'm

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01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: looking forward to finishing that and putting it out. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Man, people are gonna get a really interesting look into

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01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: that dude. Via carry and then, uh, you guys just

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01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: talk to John Douglas again too, which is one of

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Speaker 3: my Yes.

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Speaker 1: I love that I talked to him about that case.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It feels like that was forever ago. I think it

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Speaker 1: was forever, like twenty one May. Yeah, I love that dude,

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01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: like the real mind hunter guy. He was so great too.

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Speaker 1: He was super nice. And yeah, he's like he's the goat,

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01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: like he kind of you know, defined the serial killer,

1100
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Speaker 1: which sounds insane, but yeah, you know, jeez, man.

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Speaker 3: And there's a there's another news show coming out that's

1102
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: it's true crime and it's more historical mystery, and it's

1103
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: the time that two women separately attempted to assassinate President Ford.

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01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 3: They two women unsuccessfully attempted to as unrelated, unrelated, but

1105
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: it it's it's about to come out in September and

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01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: we're finishing it up right now. Creator Toby Ball is

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 3: making it. Who does crime writers on and a bunch

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Speaker 3: of other.

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Speaker 1: Sho I love Toby. He's great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he did strange rivals too, but this is his

1111
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: kind of brainchild.

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Speaker 1: And then, oh, he'd be great at that. That's a

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Speaker 1: I vaguely remember him. I think mentioning this to me

1114
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Speaker 1: at podcast Movement one time. We had a couple of

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Speaker 1: beers when we're talking about podcast. But yet, no, he's great,

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Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: It's intense. It's intense. Well, man, Pain, I just got

1118
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Speaker 3: to tell you, I love everything you do, man, And

1119
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: getting a little text like that you just sent me

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Speaker 3: like a piece of music, a trailer something that is

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Speaker 3: like getting me all excited about the next ua V

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01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: or whatever. That's one of my favorite things that can

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Speaker 3: happen on my phone, dude, So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, I appreciate Also, I appreciate you always

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Speaker 1: responding and like listening to it and having anything to

1126
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: say about it at all. That that's flattering and his

1127
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: fun to share, just like you know, under the hood

1128
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: of like what we're working on, like hey, check this

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Speaker 1: little nugget out, you know.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just hope you know. I never mean to

1131
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 3: just be flattering to you because I give criticism.

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Speaker 1: Of you know, a long and great No, I know,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. Yeah, dude, Like I'll sing you

1134
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Speaker 1: some more. I got some more cooking up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. But yeah, man, it's

1137
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Speaker 1: been fun dude, long overdue, and I'm excited about all

1138
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Speaker 1: this stuff we got coming out together. And I'll be

1139
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: sure to float you some some interesting uh little clips

1140
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Speaker 1: here in the next few weeks as we gear up

1141
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: for the next installment of UAV.

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Speaker 3: Heck you, oh hey, I forgot subscribe to Flashpoint. That's

1143
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 3: a brand new show that's coming out of Tenderfoot in

1144
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Speaker 3: my art it's yeah.

1145
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: You can subscribe now, right yeah, yeah, go right now.

1146
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Speaker 3: Subscribe to Flashpoint.

1147
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: It's so out on your podcast app. Don't be lazy.

1148
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: You can keep listening to it right now. And also

1149
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: go do that. Go do it. You're driving pool over

1150
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Speaker 1: safely whenever you can

1151
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Speaker 3: It's right, And get stuff I'll want you know in

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Speaker 3: there too, and make sure look if you