1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink sitting 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: down with Garrett Downing and we it's break news training camps. 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Hereat break news time. Nothing like a Friday four PM 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: signing to say training camp and the season have arrived, 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: my friend. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right on the even training camp players get 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 2: here on Saturday, and just before that, the Raves agree 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: in principle on a one year deal with safety Eddie Jackson. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Bring a two time Pro bowler to Baltimore and it's exciting. 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: I mean, this is I think it's kind of gets 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: you fired up for camp at the start of the season. 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 2: You bring in a guy that's got a really impressive 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: resume and you get him just before camp gets underway. 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: That's that's fun. That's exciting. 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean first thing you think about is, Wow, 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: this Ravens safety trio is incredible. You know, now you 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: have Kyle Hamilton, Marcus Williams and Eddie Jackson. Yeah. I mean, 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: like you said, this is a two time Pro bowler 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: and he's your number three safety, right that says something 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: about what you have in the secondary and beyond just safety, 21 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: what do you have in the secondary I mean the 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Ravens are also loaded at corner. I mean they have assembled. 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's an argument, that a very strong argument, 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: that Kyle Howilton and Marcus Williams are the best duo 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: safety duo in the league. There is no question who 26 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: has the best safety trio in the league. That is 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: not an argument. So, you know, the Ravens are a 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: team that have played a lot of three safety looks, 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: especially the past two years. Geno Stone saw the field 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: a lot for the Ravens. He's now in Cincinnati. The 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: Ravens got a replacement for him, essentially, in Eddie Jackson. 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: He swapped Genostone for Eddie Jackson at a much a 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: big discount. 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: Well, we're not sure what the contract is, but you 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: can probably safely assume that it's at a big discount 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: considering Geno Stones signed a two year, fourteen million dollar 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: contract with the Bengals. I'm gonna guess, Yeah, the Ravens 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: didn't spend that much. 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the time you're listening to the contract 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: details could be out. We'll see. But I think that, 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: you know, I look at this and I think it's 42 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: impactful really in two ways. The first is the versatility 43 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: that it gives Zach Rior as he's building out the scheme. 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: You mentioned that the Ravens used a lot of three 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: safety looks last year. I think it's no secret that 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: they love to use Kyle Hamilton to creative packages. You 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: can bring him down the line of scrimmage, you can 48 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: drop him back, you can just kind of keep the 49 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: offense guessing with. 50 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: The safety Nickel Dime at corner. He plays everything. 51 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: He's a Swiss Army knife and he's one of the 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: best defensive players in football. And so part of his 53 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: strength is his versatility. And so when you have more safety, 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: more defensive backs who are who you want on the field, 55 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: that allows you to be created with how you deploy 56 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton. The second piece of it is that it's depth. 57 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: And you know, like Marcus Williams is dealt with injuries's 58 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: first two seasons, I don't necessarily think I hope that's 59 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: not the case it but like bringing in a proven 60 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: safety and a proven Pro Bowl player in Eddie Jackson 61 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: gives you depth at a really important position, so that 62 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: you're in a good position if you were to with 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: standard injury in the secondary. 64 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: Right, and let's just talk about Eddy Jackson for a 65 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: minute here. I mean twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, both 66 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl years. I mean he had six interceptions in 67 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and scored three touchdowns, So you know, he 68 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: was Pro football Folks's highest graded safety in the league 69 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. That was the second season in the league. 70 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: And you know, it's been a little it hasn't been 71 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: that productive in recent years now. He's dealt with injuries 72 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: the past couple of years that have limited twelve games 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: each of those two seasons. When he went from the Bears, 74 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, he went from strong safety to free safety. 75 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: That really did kind of unlock him more. He had 76 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: a rebound season in twenty twenty two when that happened. 77 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: He had four interceptions that year and two forced fumbles 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: as two seasons ago. So not that long ago, right right, 79 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: And I think that that would be really the position 80 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: that he would project to be, kind of the genostone 81 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: center field free safety role. I mean, this guy has 82 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: fifteen career interceptions and he's gotten them in bunches one year, 83 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: like I said, with six, another year two years ago 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: with four. Can he you know, Geno Stone led the 85 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: AFC with seven interceptions last year. Can Eddie Jackson fill 86 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: that kind of role, Yes, I think he can well, 87 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: But I mean geno in part because he saw a 88 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: lot of playing time begainst Marcus Marks Williams. With an 89 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: ideal world, Eddie Jackson doesn't see the field that much. Yeah, 90 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: you don't project him to, but he's gonna get time. 91 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: And when he's on the field, this is a guy 92 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: who has proven himself to have a nose for the. 93 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: Football a ball Yeah, he's a ball hawk. Fifteen interceptions 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: in his career, He's got six force fumbles. He also 95 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: has six defensive touchdowns. So like, when he gets the 96 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 2: ball in his hands, two good things had to happen. 97 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: He's ten force fumbles over his career, you changed them, 98 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: six fumble covers, six fumble recovery, and so like, this 99 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: is a This is a player who, again when he 100 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: gets ball in his hands, good things happen. 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: He's a ba hawk. 102 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: And I think that, like, you know, using the geno 103 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: stone in comparison, I think it'll be if you're looking 104 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: at it from a year ago, I think it will 105 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: be most similar to when you had all three safeties healthy. Like, 106 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: I think that's that's I just I don't see him, 107 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 2: barring an injury, necessarily putting up those big numbers. 108 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: The question to me is, I guess really wasn't healthy 109 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: at any point. You know, Gino still saw a fair 110 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: amount of that rotation because Marcus was Marcus will never 111 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: say it, but he was playing severely hampered with one. 112 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: Arm by the end, by the very end, by the 113 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: very end, he was. He looked a lot more like himself. 114 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: But no, I think that's a good point. My question. 115 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: So if you're if you're if you're putting all three 116 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: safeties on the field, like, what does that look like 117 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: to you? 118 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: Well, then Kyle Hamilton's playing slot. I mean Kyle Hamilton 119 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: played more snaps at slot last year than he did 120 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: anywhere else by a significant margin. Now, I do think 121 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: that you know, Arthur Mullett will see snaps in the slot. 122 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: I think Marlon Humphrey is going to see more snaps 123 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: in the slot. It always comes back to the number 124 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: three slot quarterback here, and I keep telling you it's 125 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: your favorite position on the field, and so there's more 126 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: contenders I think for that. Even if Pepe Williams is 127 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: healthy right like Ardarius right, Ardarius who's sitting here, sat 128 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: here and talked him up as the number three safety, 129 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: and I think he will still have a role in 130 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: this defense. Some of that could be playing in the slot, right, 131 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: and so like the Ravens have a lot of candidates 132 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: to play slot cornerback, and when that happens, that's an 133 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: opportunity for the Ravens now to use Eddie Jackson as 134 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: more of a roving, deeper free safety. 135 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: It's an interesting move because I don't think for. 136 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: Strong safety he doesn't have to be you know, he 137 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: could be there if he's next to Mark Marcus Williams 138 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: as a ball hawk too, so he plays more of 139 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: that back center fielder role. I mean, the Ravens are 140 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: kind of interchangeable between free and strong safety. But my 141 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: point is when Kyle Hamilton is playing slot, I expect 142 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: we're going to see Eddie Jackson on the field a lot. 143 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's interesting because you wouldn't I don't think 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: many people would say that like safety was a big 145 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: position of need for the Ravens because you have so 146 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: you have two great ones already. 147 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: Pause one second. I just want to correct myself too. 148 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: I also think that Kyle Hamilton can also play dime. 149 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: He can play kind of linebacker, a linebacker ish role, 150 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: which he did some last year, and Marlon or somebody 151 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: else being slot and Eddie Jackson be on the field right, 152 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: Like you can get Marlon Kyle and Eddie Jackson and 153 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: Marcus Williams on the field at the same time. 154 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: And Ardarius and Brandon Davis and anyways. 155 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: I would Wiggins, Yes. 156 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: You basically can have ten DB's and then you just 157 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 2: put Michael Pearson the middle. 158 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you laugh, But it's not like inconceivable. 159 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: The Ravens could be very dB heavy in personnel because 160 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton is, like you said, the ultimate Swiss Army Knife. 161 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: He can play linebacker. He did played the inside and 162 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: outside linebacker last year. Yeah, and especially with Patrick Queen 163 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: now going in Pittsburgh, like he could see more of that. 164 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: So you're not putting you know, is Trenton Simpson at 165 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: Redown linebacker at this point in his career? Guy has 166 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: a start to start one game against the Steelers. Did 167 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: it even start? I don't even know. He played a lot, right, 168 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: But like Trenton Simpson hasn't been a starter yet in 169 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: his career, I don't know. That you immediately make him 170 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: a three down linebacker. Patrick Queen wasn't when he first started. 171 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: He was a first round pick. So like what I'm 172 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: saying is Kyle Howlson can play some of that Patrick 173 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Queen role. You still have a slot corner Marlon Arthur 174 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Malett and you use Eddie Jackson. Makes the Ravens. This 175 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: signing makes the Ravens much more multiple. 176 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they already kind of were that. 177 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: It just adds another even more more potential to it. 178 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: It adds depth so that you can do that if 179 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: you were to have an injury to any of those right. 180 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: And Ardarius has been banged up over his career too, 181 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: so you know, counting on our all knock on wood, 182 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: you know, you hope he stays healthy, but he has 183 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: an over his first three seasons, so you also have 184 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: an insurance policy for him. 185 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: I just think it gives you. I think it gives 186 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: you insurance really if you have again injuries at any 187 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: of those positions. Like you mentioned Marlon, you know, he's 188 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: an option to play more in the slot this year 189 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: as you have your you have Nate Wiggins now in 190 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 2: the mix, and so like if I know it's a 191 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: different position here, But I'm just saying like. 192 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: It adds depth to all across the world across because 193 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: you can shuffle so many different guys in different spots. 194 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: Exactly, and so you have you have that, you have 195 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: that versatility. And even if everybody is healthy, Okay, everybody's healthy, 196 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: that's what the hope is, and you deal with no injuries, well, 197 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: you're still gonna find ways to get Eddie Jackson on 198 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: the field because he could be a difference maker. And 199 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: so I think that you know, it's it's The Ravens 200 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: clearly were interested in this third safety conversation. They had 201 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: Jamal Adams and for a visit, like there was there 202 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: was interest. 203 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: They play this. They played this really well because the 204 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: safety market ballooned with like number of quality safeties that 205 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: sat on the free agent market. You didn't have to 206 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: go and jump in and get one right away, right 207 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: like they They let Genostone test the market. He found 208 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: a very good deal in Cincinnati. Cincinnati was desperate to 209 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: add a safety. The Ravens weren't desperate to add a 210 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: third safety. They knew what they had in Ardarius and okay, 211 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: it's a backup, right like, so they could stay patient, 212 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: and this is just another classic Ravens move. I mean, 213 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: you look at these laid editions that panned out last year. 214 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Is this the next Javon Clowney move? Is this the 215 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: next Ronald Darby move that they made, the next Kyle 216 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: van Noy. Go down the list of these late signings 217 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: last year that made a big difference in the season. 218 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Eddie Jackson could be that kind of move this year. 219 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: So they're hoping for right and the Ravens they just 220 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: played it so well by sitting and finding a you know, 221 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: we don't again know the contract details, but I'm gonna 222 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: guess a good bargain considering they the second let you 223 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: least cap space in the league. They had to find 224 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: a bargain because they didn't have a lot of money, right, 225 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: And so really you look at the Bengals. The Bengals 226 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: paid ginostone fourteen million over two years. The Ravens paid 227 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry sixteen million over two years, one million eat 228 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: more per season. Yeah, so you got Rrick Henry instead 229 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: of Genoston, and then you added a Jackson who's a 230 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: two time pro bowler, also a ballhawk like Geno Stone, 231 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: former National College Football champion on the on the cheaper. 232 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean those two players are more than Geno. 233 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: But yes, I get what you're saying, like Henry and Jackson. 234 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: From a resource allocations standpoint, you look at what the 235 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Ravens did. You got Derrick Henry. Sure you lost Geno Stone, 236 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: but you got Derrick Henry, right, and then you replaced 237 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: Genostone with a cheaper version of him. You might pan 238 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: out to be more effective. 239 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, right, of course, I'm what we'll 240 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: tell on that. I mean, I think that that's what 241 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 2: the Ravens have done and Eric Acosta has done, is 242 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 2: consistently look for ways to allocate allocate resources in the 243 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: best possible way. And that's why you make a signing 244 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: like Ronald Darby last ye who ended up being a 245 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: really important player, or you waited out and your patient 246 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: and Ericon Acosta has talked about his patients and now 247 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: he's kind of learned that honestly in his time as 248 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: general manager. And I think this is a great example 249 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: of that. Like the safety market, I think they kind 250 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: of had that pegged for how it would how it 251 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: would play out. They waited it out. You bring in 252 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: some guys, you bring in Jamal Adams. You kind of 253 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 2: get a feel for the market, and then right before 254 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: camp starts you get somebody who you know is a 255 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: really good player, and I think that, sure, there's potential 256 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: that like similar to some of those players from last year, 257 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: Like it could be three months from now and we're saying, man, 258 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: how did the Ravens get this guy right on the 259 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: even training camp and everybody forgot about him? 260 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: How did that? How did that? 261 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: How did everybody let that guy fall to the Ravens? Like, 262 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: I think that that that potential absolutely exists. I think 263 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: that's just what that's that's what like when you talk 264 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: about teams that are like consistently good teams and are 265 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: going to be in the mix for the playoffs, Like 266 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: those are the types of signings that often like win 267 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: you games that you aren't aware of. It's not the 268 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: first wave, it's not the second wave. This is this 269 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: is low tide, you know. 270 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, well it's the it's that sort of 271 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: resource allocation that we were just talking about navigating that 272 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: well to get two players for kind of the price 273 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: of one. In a way, I'll tell you who's also 274 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: probably happy about this move. Roqwan Smith. Yeah, I would 275 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: have to imagine that the Ravens talked to Rokwan Smith. 276 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: Those two played together for five seasons. So Eddie Jackson 277 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: played his past seven years with the Chicago Bears and yeah, 278 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: teammates with Roquwan. You have to imagine the Ravens talk 279 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: to him before making this signing. So that's that's another 280 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: very cool wrinkle about this. 281 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: I will see the Roquan Smith move work out. 282 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: With Yeah, exactly, Yeah, exactly. I'll say this. You know 283 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be an adjustment for Eddie Jackson, right because 284 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: this guy started every single game he's played in over 285 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: his career, all one hundred games, he started them all. 286 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: He is not projected He's not going to be a 287 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: starter here, at least in the base package, right, So 288 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: that's an adjustment for him. And I'm sure that's something 289 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: that the Ravens talked with him about. The reports or 290 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: that he visited the Ravens on Thursday, signing comes one 291 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: day later, or at least agreed the principal on a 292 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: one year deal one day later, and so I'm sure 293 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: that that's something that John Harball and the Eric Tacasa 294 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: talked to Eddie Jackson about because that is an adjustment 295 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: I will say that. You know, at the season ending 296 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: press conference for the Bears, their general manager said that 297 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: he thought that he did. Their general manager Ryan Poles 298 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: said basically that Eddie Jackson last year was dinged up, 299 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: but he thought that his impact was really with Joe 300 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: Kwon Brisker, their other safety and the communication on the 301 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: back end. He said, when Eddie was in the game, 302 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: you could tell that Brisker felt really really comfortable that 303 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: really that whole group, he impacts the communication and you 304 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: could see. 305 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: That, Yes, supert player, obviously smart player. 306 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: He's seen it all, he's done. It comes from the 307 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Alabama defense, like he's seen it. He's played a lot 308 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: of snaps like this. Is a heady player who I 309 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: think will just also, even if he's not a starter, 310 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: will help the Ravens in a number of ways. You know, 311 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: be a good role model and sounding board to Kyle Hamilton. 312 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: As great as Kyle is, he's still young, he's enter 313 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: his third year and his smartest Kyle isn't all that 314 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: and like, you know, be a good veteran that can 315 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: bounce stuff off of Kyle and whatnot, and some of 316 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: these other younger players, these younger safeties. The Ravens have 317 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Snoozy Kine, a rookie seventh round pick. You know, they 318 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: have some undrafted safeties like he will be a good 319 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: resource in that room and a good smart, heady player, 320 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: I think when he's on the field. 321 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty two, you talk about the injury 322 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: he suffered a list frank at the end of the 323 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two seats right late in that season, which 324 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: we know, as we talked about before, as often a 325 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: two year recovery timeline. He came back and played twelve 326 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: games last year, so you know, he played a good 327 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: portion of the season last year, but could have likely 328 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: still been dealing with that if how it's gone for 329 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: other players like Hollywood Brown or you know, Rasha bit Min, 330 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith, if that's any indication. So maybe he was 331 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: still working his way through that and now that second 332 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: season you can feel more and more like yourself. 333 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's certainly the hope for the Ravens is that 334 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: he can return closer at least to that twenty eighteen 335 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen four. 336 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get a quick break and we come back. 337 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: We'll give you our final thoughts on Eddie Jackson. Also 338 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: look ahead to the start of training camp this weekend. 339 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We're coming to you 340 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to have 341 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: a shout out to our friends at DraftKings Sportsbook. They 342 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: are an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens. 343 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: They've got a limited time offer running that you don't 344 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: want to miss. Download the Draft Kings Sportsbook app today. 345 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: Use the promo code flock. If you are a new user, 346 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: you can get a deposit bonus up to one thousand dollars. Again, 347 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: the promo code is Flock only. At DraftKings Sportsbook, you 348 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: need to be twenty one years order to play and 349 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: physically present in Maryland. For help, visit mdgalleyhelp dot Org 350 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: or call one eight hundred Gambler. So my final thought 351 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: on the move is basically, when I look at it 352 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: from like a big picture standpoint, the Ravens had, in 353 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: my belief, the best defense in football last year, and 354 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: they lost some pieces I think to me, most notably 355 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator in Zach Orr. But they lost Patrick Queen, 356 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: they lost Geno Stones. We talked about Ronald Darby Jadavion Clowney. 357 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: So they lost some key players, but I really think 358 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: that this this team is still built to have one 359 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: of the very best defenses in the league. I think 360 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 2: Zach Orr is going to be a great defensive coordinator. 361 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: I think that the mean he's somebody that knows the 362 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: system as it grew up in it, and I think 363 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: he's going to be a great defensive coordinator. And I 364 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: think that when you add like a veteran, proven player 365 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: like Eddie Jackson to an already really talented group, it 366 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: just makes everything stronger. And I think that, like, I 367 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: really believe that the Ravens are going to be one 368 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: of the top five defenses this year. And it's not 369 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: just because of the Eddie Jackson signing. I mean that that's 370 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: kind of the icing on the cake as you go 371 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: into training camp, but I think that, like the pieces 372 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: are there for this team to have one of the 373 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: very best defenses in the league. 374 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: Once again, I absolutely agree with that a side point, 375 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: it's never bad to have another guy with Jackson on 376 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: the back of his jersey. That's true on the team. 377 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: I think that was when they were deliberating, they were 378 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: like they put it over the top. Yeah, the guy 379 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: where Jackson on the offense side is pretty good. 380 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: You're right, let's get another one on the defense. The 381 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: uh statistic just popped up on my phone. Here from 382 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: the great Daniel Horowitz who works in our PR staff. 383 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: Dans he's the status, he's good and he's quick. I'm 384 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: telling you, what did you take up as a recording here? 385 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: He says, sends me Eddie. Jackson's six defensive scores are 386 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: tied with Marcus Peters for the most since entering the 387 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: league in twenty seventeen. Marcus Peters worked out in Baltimore. 388 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: How did he work out? He pretty good. 389 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: He's a pretty good player. Yeah, pretty good player. Yeah. 390 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: I think that, like, well, you get the ball in 391 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: your hands so you can take it to the house. 392 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: It's a pretty good thing for a defense, exactly, exactly. 393 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: So really excited about this signing for the Ravens. I 394 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: think this could be this year's clowney fanoy all this. 395 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: Uh so all of them rolled into one. 396 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: All of them rolled into one. I mean, hey, and 397 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: then we're not done, right well, I mean we don't 398 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: have much money. Lap might be done. I don't know. 399 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: Maybe Eric's wizard, he is, Hey, we're not done. 400 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, the players report, the veterans report on Saturday. 401 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: The first full team practice is on Sunday. You know, 402 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 2: I'm excited, I think just quickly on that on that 403 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: kind of like what I'm looking forward to. Most things, 404 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 2: A who's out there, you know, guys coming back from injuries, 405 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: Guys like David Jabo, Marlon Humphrey, Kyle Hamilton, Michael Pierce 406 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: missed some time during the off season. Who's all out there? 407 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: How do they look? 408 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: The offensive report? 409 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: Yep, the offensive line? 410 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Like, of course that is it's gonna be the theme 411 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: of training camp. 412 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 2: Yes, what what's the what's the early kind of standings 413 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: there in terms of who's out there with the ones? Uh? 414 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: And then of course to me it's it's always centers 415 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: around them are like, you know a lot of talk 416 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: about the weight loss this offseason and slimming down and 417 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: all that stuff. How does he look? How does the 418 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: chemistry look with receivers early? Like those are to me 419 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: the top three things that I would kind of be 420 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: looking at. And then of course how's Eddie Jackson look? 421 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure it's going to be exciting 422 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: time We will be back to give you our takeaways 423 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: from the first practice. I mean it's the first practice. 424 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: We got to give you the full breakdown for the 425 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: first practice. 426 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: No, nothing like the immediate snap judgments from one day camp. 427 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: We can project the entire season from that one practice. 428 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: So we'll be back with you on Sunday to give 429 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: you that very excited about this Eddie Jackson signing. Make 430 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: sure your subscribed, leave us a rating and review it 431 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: and you can always email us about your excitement about 432 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: the Eddie Jackson signing. The lounge at Ravens NFL dot 433 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: net talk with you on Sunday