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Speaker 1: There's never been more money coming into these athletic departments.

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Speaker 1: Every one of you who has been a lifelong season

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Speaker 2: They don't do that at Academy Sports and Outdoors. I

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Speaker 1: You're gonna buy the stuff they have there anyway, give

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Speaker 1: and they're one of those teams.

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Speaker 2: But if we're living in.

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Speaker 1: A world of just a whole lot of really good

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Speaker 1: teams and a couple of very good teams, no elite

442
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Speaker 1: team Tennessee's the kind of thing where I don't.

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Speaker 2: Care if they're five seed or twelve seed.

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Speaker 1: If they're in they could win the whole thing, And

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Speaker 1: so Ole Miss strikes me as that as well, even

446
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Speaker 1: if they're not themselves elite. If no elite teams emerge

447
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Speaker 1: around them, you let Jackson Dart in there, you let

448
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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin in the playoff, and anything could happen. That's

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Speaker 1: the first thing that I'm wondering about there. Now, I

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Speaker 1: got another question for you. You know, I rarely talk

451
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Speaker 1: about this this time of year. Who is going to

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Speaker 1: win the Heisman Trophy this year? The top twenty four

453
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Speaker 1: I think are all quarterbacks at FanDuel right now, So

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Speaker 1: it would be a solid guess any year this year

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Speaker 1: is no different than a quarterback.

456
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Speaker 2: Will win this thing.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel right now is the odds on favorite to

458
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Speaker 1: win the Heisman Trophy. And if you're not watching on YouTube,

459
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Speaker 1: let me just quickly read you the list here.

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Speaker 2: It's Dylan Gabriel, It's Carson.

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Speaker 1: Beck Quinn, youw weers Will Howard, niko I Amaliava at

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Speaker 1: Tennessee's there at five or six, Jalen Molrose their darts there,

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Speaker 1: Nuss Meyer Ward Connor Wigman. So it's all it's a

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Speaker 1: bunch of quarterbacks, a whole lot of sec and big

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Speaker 1: ten there. Which one of those guys is going to

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Speaker 1: win it? Did I read the Heisman Trophy winner?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: Will Riley Leonard come out of nowhere? For example, we

469
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Speaker 1: went to slide to here, Avery Johnson at Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: Little ways down the list, dju maybe he blows it

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Speaker 1: up at Florida State. Two names stand out to me. Colin,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening back in Nashville, I miss you, by

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Speaker 1: the way. If you're listening back in Nashville, could you

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Speaker 1: do me a favor? Could you go back to the

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Speaker 1: first slide right quick? Because I did want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about a couple of guys. The first one

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Speaker 1: is Jackson Dart. So Jackson Dart is sitting there seventh

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Speaker 1: in the odds market. Picture this with me. If it's

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Speaker 1: a normal Old Miss season, forget about it. If it's

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Speaker 1: a special Old Miss season, there'll be one of the

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Speaker 1: stories in college football this year, if they're playing relevant

482
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Speaker 1: football late in November, if they're in the SEC Championship,

483
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Speaker 1: or even if they're not but they're in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Jackson Darts had a big year and that receiving room

485
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Speaker 1: has gone crazy, and it may very well be that,

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Speaker 1: you know, sentiment is on his side. I mean, think

487
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Speaker 1: about how long it's been since we talked about Old

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Speaker 1: Miss and that kind of breath, and if they are

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Speaker 1: to fulfill on that. So if they hit their max

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Speaker 1: top end potential, it's not because defense carried them. Like

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Speaker 1: if Ohio State wins this year, there's no guarantee Will

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Speaker 1: Howard did anything heisman worthy. If Ole Miss wins this year,

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Speaker 1: there is almost certainty that Jackson Dart did something heisman worthy.

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Speaker 2: So I think about him.

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Speaker 1: Then you can take everything I just said and you

496
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Speaker 1: can pretty much copy and paste it for Miami. If

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Speaker 1: Miami has an eight win season, forget about it, forget

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Speaker 1: about cam Ward. If Miami is in the ACC Championship game,

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Speaker 1: if Miami is a fringe playoff contender, or they're in

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Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff by default, it means that cam

501
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Speaker 1: Ward blew up in Coral Gables this year.

502
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Speaker 2: And so same thing.

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Speaker 1: If Miami's back, and cam Ward's the reason why, and

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Speaker 1: you know good and well that dude can put up

505
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Speaker 1: huge numbers. He's got seven thousand passing yards last two

506
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Speaker 1: years and this could be the best year he's had,

507
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Speaker 1: and they're going to feature him because they invested a

508
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Speaker 1: lot in him.

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Speaker 2: They don't invest in.

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Speaker 1: Guys like that, hide them if they're there at the

511
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Speaker 1: end of the race. Cam Ward's been a big reason why.

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Speaker 1: And so he's sitting down there like ninth or tenth

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Speaker 1: in the odds. Well, those are two guys I've circled.

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Speaker 1: I don't look, I've already put some money on cam Ward.

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Speaker 1: I'll put a little bit on Jackson Dart two. So

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Speaker 1: if you're asking me who I've bet on, I've bet

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Speaker 1: on those two guys. I haven't put any I have

518
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Speaker 1: not put money on anyone else. That doesn't mean I

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Speaker 1: favor them. If I opened up Peate State Sportsbook right now,

520
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Speaker 1: I myself wouldn't favor them. But there's a difference in

521
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Speaker 1: where you find value versus who you literally think should

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Speaker 1: be number one, two, three. I'd be very interested, by

523
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Speaker 1: the way, in the comment section, who do you guys

524
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Speaker 1: think is your Heisman winner this year. Let's go bold

525
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Speaker 1: predictions right quick. Then I'm gonna bring Ryan Day on

526
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Speaker 1: the show. He has some good things to say. We

527
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Speaker 1: taped it a little bit earlier. He had some good.

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Speaker 2: Things to say.

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Speaker 1: Bold prediction time this year, what do you believe as

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Speaker 1: a pate state collective, as a community that you would

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Speaker 1: bet your own money on? The first one is going

532
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Speaker 1: to be polarizing because the first one has to do

533
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Speaker 1: with LSU. John in Sacramento, California says, LSU make the

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Speaker 1: playoff this year?

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Speaker 2: Where would you put that on the boldness scale? Now,

536
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Speaker 2: I know a lot of you.

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Speaker 1: If you're not LSU fans, your immediate default was to

538
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Speaker 1: laugh and say, ah, yeah, right, Well, we're putting twelve

539
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Speaker 1: teams in this thing this year. So if you're over

540
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Speaker 1: under win totals nine and a half and you hit

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Speaker 1: the over, like think about LSU just hits the over

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Speaker 1: ten wins.

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Speaker 2: They're in the playoff. I don't care if they're not

544
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Speaker 2: in Atlanta. They're in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: So we're not talking about six and a half or

546
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Speaker 1: seven and a half here, nine and a half is

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Speaker 1: the win total.

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Speaker 2: It's a top twelve roster. There may be holes there.

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Speaker 2: I think there are.

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Speaker 1: Defensively, candidly, I think nine and a half is a

551
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Speaker 1: shade high in the odds market.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. I'm not running the sports book,

553
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Speaker 2: I'm not running FanDuel. They are.

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Speaker 1: They are plus one twenty eight to make the playoff.

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Speaker 1: They're minus one fifty eight to miss it. That is

556
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Speaker 1: a straight up prop debt that you can get a

557
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Speaker 1: FanDuel right now. Yes, no, make miss the playoff. Man,

558
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Speaker 1: this is only an eight. This is not the boldest

559
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Speaker 1: thing in the world. Like I may not myself be

560
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Speaker 1: predicting LSU to make the playoff, but your totals nine

561
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Speaker 1: and a half. You got a top twelve roster. You

562
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Speaker 1: got Ryan not Ryan Day, you got Brian Kelly, who's

563
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Speaker 1: done it before.

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Speaker 2: That's an eight.

565
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Speaker 1: That's not the most bold thing in the world to me.

566
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Speaker 1: Next up, this would be a little bolder. Joe from

567
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Speaker 1: Nottingham in the UK. No one conference has more than

568
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Speaker 1: three total teams in the playoff. Now you got to

569
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Speaker 1: thread a needle on this. So I'm gonna call this

570
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Speaker 1: an eight point seventy five on the boldness scale. We

571
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Speaker 1: did our predictions the other day. If you miss that

572
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Speaker 1: it's on the YouTube channel right now. I had four

573
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Speaker 1: SEC teams in. I had three Big ten teams in,

574
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Speaker 1: so I did have a conference going over three.

575
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Speaker 2: I had another one at three.

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Speaker 1: I think if this happens, and it's possible, that means

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Speaker 1: that there was big separation in the SEC. So there

578
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Speaker 1: were a few big time teams, or maybe it's the

579
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Speaker 1: Big ten as well, there were a few big time

580
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Speaker 1: teams and then there.

581
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Speaker 2: Was a big gap.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you got a bunch of obvious, You got

583
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Speaker 1: a few obvious, and then a bunch of no, they

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Speaker 1: can't be in. Notre Dame has to be in. They

585
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Speaker 1: take up a spot. Maybe you get two G five's in.

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Speaker 2: You certainly have one in.

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Speaker 1: I think this could also be a scenario where a

588
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Speaker 1: lot of ten and two's got selected over some nine

589
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Speaker 1: and threes, because there's still that world.

590
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Speaker 2: Remember there's we don't know how this is going to go.

591
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Speaker 1: There's still that world where you've got like a ten

592
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Speaker 1: and two Missouri, or maybe a nine to three Missouri

593
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Speaker 1: and a ten and two from the Big ten, or

594
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Speaker 1: a ten and two from the Big twelve or acc

595
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Speaker 1: gets taken over them.

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Speaker 2: That could very well happen.

597
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Speaker 1: We don't know how the committee is going to interpret

598
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Speaker 1: strength of record, strength of schedule.

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Speaker 2: So that's an eight point seventy five for me.

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Speaker 1: Next up, Interestingly, Luke Fickle was sitting at this desk

601
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Speaker 1: here no more than I don't know an hour ago

602
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Speaker 1: as we're as we're talking in Indianapolis, and DJ hits

603
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Speaker 1: us and says Wisconsin finishes the season five hundred or worse.

604
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Speaker 1: That's an eight. I think they could be better than that.

605
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Speaker 1: It's totally contingent on quarterback play. It's totally contingent on

606
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Speaker 1: a guy who lost his mojo in Tyler Van Dyke finding.

607
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Speaker 2: It in a new place. Grant you that.

608
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Speaker 1: It's contingent on Phil Longoing that offense just flat out

609
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Speaker 1: being better than they were expected to be, and they

610
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Speaker 1: were last year.

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Speaker 2: This is a volatile team. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Their win total, unlike LSU, their wintal Liz six and

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Speaker 1: a half, it is down there in that lower range.

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Speaker 1: So odds makers aren't all that dissimilar in their expectation

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Speaker 1: to this prediction.

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Speaker 2: They've just got to win their toss up games.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota at Nebraska, at Iowa, at Rutgers, Purdue.

618
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Speaker 2: These are toss up games.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect them to beat Bama at usc'll be

620
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Speaker 1: tough for them, or we're going to be tough for him.

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Speaker 1: They win their toss up games. They're over five hundred. However,

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Speaker 1: I said that way too easily. I'm putting an eight

623
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Speaker 1: on this because they're over and we win total six

624
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Speaker 1: and a half. That's not the craziest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: That's an eight.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, now we got a challice worthy bold prediction

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Speaker 1: here Paper Pop Malik Murphy. Tyler says, Malik Murphy is

628
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Speaker 1: at the Heisman presentation as a finalist. Malik Murphy's not

629
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Speaker 1: at Texas anymore.

630
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Speaker 2: Kids. He went to Duke.

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Speaker 1: He went to Duke and everyone's new there. His offensive

632
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Speaker 1: line five for five, they're brand new, new starters. They've

633
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Speaker 1: got a new staff obviously, Manny Diaz is the head

634
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Speaker 1: coach there.

635
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Speaker 2: I keep on saying this, even though a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of you know that, because I know some of

637
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: you are just tuning in again because you recognized the offseason,

638
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: which we don't believe in. But if you wanted to

639
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: take it, that's your right. So their win totals five

640
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: and a half. Duke's got to overachieve massively, even if

641
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: he's got big numbers, their team has to overachieve massively

642
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: or else they're not sending a dude off of six

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Speaker 1: and sixteen to New York City.

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00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: There's not gonna do it.

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00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: Too many other good players out there, So I'm calling

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Speaker 1: this a nine point seven five. Love Malik Murphy, but

647
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: that dude's not been a full time starter yet.

648
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: You've got newness everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's duke, so he's not gonna be surrounded by

650
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: star power like these other guys.

651
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: That he's competing against will be.

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Speaker 1: So that's a five. That's a nine point five. They're

653
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Speaker 1: over went under win told is five point five. Pretty bold,

654
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: Pretty bold there from Malik Murphy. You can bet that

655
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Speaker 1: right now. You know that right like you can make

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Speaker 1: the bold prediction. But also if you really believe in that,

657
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Speaker 1: you can have it a FanDuel and you can bet

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Speaker 1: This is our sit down earlier today with Ohio state

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Speaker 1: head coach Ryan Day.

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Speaker 2: Ohio State head coach Ryan Day joining us Greece is

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Speaker 2: in the rearview mirror.

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Speaker 1: You've taken the vacation, You've got fall camp a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks away. Where's your mindset absent media days, outside

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Speaker 1: of the media days. Where's your mindset right now?

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Speaker 3: Uh? With the team? You know, when you think about

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Speaker 3: where the preseason you know is in terms of you

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Speaker 3: know the year, you know, you start with the winter

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Speaker 3: and then you go to the spring, you have your

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Speaker 3: summer and then and the preseason is really critical to

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Speaker 3: come together and build the foundation for the entire year.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, just working really hard to make

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Speaker 3: sure everything's in order for that, make sure that guys

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Speaker 3: are you prepared for that at a high level. We'll

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Speaker 3: give them a little bit of like three days off

728
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Speaker 3: here before we start for next week, but you know,

729
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Speaker 3: making sure that everything's organized terms of scripts, and you know,

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Speaker 3: making sure the staff's ready and prepared.

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Speaker 1: How different is the dynamic of what a college football

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Speaker 1: player's year is now versus twenty years ago. Guys legitimately

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Speaker 1: went home and get largely no clue what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: You send them home with a program, you hope they're

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Speaker 1: doing the right thing, and you kind of cross your

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Speaker 1: fingers when you get them back.

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Speaker 2: How different is that dynamic right now?

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Speaker 1: Even though you're not with them every day, you still

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Speaker 1: have a really much better finger on the pulse of

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Speaker 1: like what the dynamic is?

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, well, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: You used to have like a summer job and then

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Speaker 3: you come back and you do a conditioning test, and

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Speaker 3: then you figure out who's in shape and who's put

745
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: the work in for that that year, and then you

746
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Speaker 3: kind of gut yourself into shape during you know camp.

747
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Speaker 3: Now it's the year round thing and so completely different,

748
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Speaker 3: and we're allowed to do some things on the field

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Speaker 3: with the guys now, and Nick's done a great job

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Speaker 3: of getting them in the So it is year round,

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Speaker 3: and we know it's going to be a long season,

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Speaker 3: So that doesn't change how we're going to enter a

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Speaker 3: preseason camp, though, you know it's got to be physical,

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Speaker 3: it's got to be a great camp. Our guys got

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Speaker 3: to really build their foundation.

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Speaker 1: When I was up there in spring, that was around

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Speaker 1: the time everyone was making a huge deal about your

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Speaker 1: pay attention to who stayed. Pay attention to the guys

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Speaker 1: who originally committed here. And they've been there the whole time,

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Speaker 1: and they've had some ups, they've had some really high

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Speaker 1: profile downs. Well, now you've gone through a summer with them,

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Speaker 1: and now you sort of get to the fall. When

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Speaker 1: do you get a feel for the dynamic that a

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Speaker 1: team is taking on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't take long with this group, and you're

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Speaker 3: seeing it every day in the summer right now. There's

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Speaker 3: an edge to them, there's an urgency, there's a purpose.

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Speaker 2: It's a group that's been around.

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Speaker 3: I would just you know, on the trip here with

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Speaker 3: Denzel Burke and we're just talking about entering preseason camp

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Speaker 3: as a senior as opposed to a freshman or software

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Speaker 3: completely different. You know, you're just trying to survive almost

774
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Speaker 3: in preseason camp, where now like you know exactly what

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Speaker 3: to expect and you can be very very intentional on

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Speaker 3: everything that you're doing. You also know what to expect

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Speaker 3: for the season. You know, all those things matter when

778
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Speaker 3: you're talking about guys who have been in the you know,

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Speaker 3: the program four and five years. So to me, that's

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Speaker 3: the key, and that's that's the whole point of this,

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Speaker 3: this whole team right now. And then the focus of

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Speaker 3: it is that, you know, you've got a bunch of

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Speaker 3: guys that decided to come back and forego an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to go to the NFL, and you know that the

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Speaker 3: reason for that is because their love for their brothers

786
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Speaker 3: and love for Ohio State. They didn't have to do that.

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Speaker 3: And that's a great start to a program. And then

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Speaker 3: as it continued to go, because every year is different.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's easy to say, well, it just carries

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Speaker 3: over from last year. It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It's not even close.

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Speaker 3: You've got to rebuild your entire identity year in a

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Speaker 3: year out. That's that's that's my opinion. And so you

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Speaker 3: know this, this group has come together, the camaraderie strong,

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Speaker 3: the brotherhood strong, and and so now it's time to

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Speaker 3: get out on the field and start planning.

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Speaker 1: When people think Ohio State offense over the last several years,

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Speaker 1: they think of studs at wide receivers. The first thing

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Speaker 1: you have in a coming year like this. Is there

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Speaker 1: ever a thought that, hey, I can probably do most

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Speaker 1: anything I want to. I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: shift twenty percent over here. I want our identity be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of this, maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: less that. Or is it I like where we're at,

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Speaker 1: and we're just going to continue to swing every year

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Speaker 1: until we get it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's that's a great question, because after every year,

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Speaker 3: you got to, after the dust settles and the smoke

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Speaker 3: going well, and you got to continue to enhance it

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Speaker 3: and what needs to get changed, what needs to get fixed.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's some things that we've identified. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into all those right now,

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Speaker 3: but certainly one of them is making sure they're right

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Speaker 3: people in the right seats, and that is a critical thing.

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Speaker 3: And you know, having chipped there now having Gym on

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Speaker 3: you know, as the two coordinators, I think was very

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Speaker 3: very important to get solidified. But you know, also the

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Speaker 3: players and having those but but also schematically and you

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Speaker 3: know some of the things that we did but again

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Speaker 3: not getting into all those, but you know, making sure

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Speaker 3: you're identify because every year you learn, you know, and

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Speaker 3: I've certainly I've learned a lot know and especially in

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Speaker 3: need to figure out like even coming off of last year,

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Speaker 3: that last game, you know, why why didn't we finish

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Speaker 3: that last drive? You know, why couldn't you know, we

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Speaker 3: get a stop sooner at the end of the game

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Speaker 3: on defense? You know what what what was it that

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Speaker 3: held us back from winning that game last year? And

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Speaker 3: you could point to a few things, but you know,

834
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835
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Speaker 3: but the truth is we need to leave no doubt.

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Speaker 3: You know, in those games, you can't leave it to

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Speaker 3: And and so that's been a theme for us in

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Speaker 1: People throw the word pressure around with head coaches all

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Speaker 1: the time. They throw it around with you all the time.

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Speaker 1: I personally, selfishly wish folks could spend a day in

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Speaker 1: the building with you, but they can't. So the closest

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Speaker 1: we can do is I can ask you describe how

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Speaker 3: Well, you know that that's the case when you when

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Speaker 3: you step into that seat. So this is not something

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Speaker 3: new that's happened in Ohio State just in the last

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Speaker 3: few years. You know that that's what you're signing up for. Now.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make it easy, but it's the truth, and

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Speaker 3: you want to be relevant. You want to have it

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Speaker 3: on the line, and that's what it's like every single

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Speaker 3: year when you're at Ohio State. But but you know,

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Speaker 3: you do it for your family, You do it for

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Speaker 3: your players, you do it for your staff and for

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Speaker 3: your coaches, but also you do it for all the

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Speaker 3: fans who level House State and that matters a lot

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Speaker 3: to me. And so that's why we work so hard,

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Speaker 3: and that's why we you know, we work so hard

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Speaker 3: to get this team together again.

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Speaker 2: This year to go out there and reach our goals.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys have been ultra cognizant if you

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Speaker 1: the way it used to be in the old model.

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Speaker 1: So not in the nip and tuck games, but in

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Speaker 1: games that are comfortable, and you guys have several of

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Speaker 1: them every year, how differently do you manage workload on

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Speaker 1: players in the fourth quarter than you wouldn't pass.

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Speaker 3: I think we're all trying to figure that out right now.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we have got to build depth for sure.

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Speaker 3: I do think now with the you know, coach the

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Speaker 3: player communication, you're going to see more huddling. So I

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Speaker 3: think you're going to see some lower scoring games just naturally.

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Speaker 3: It happened a little bit last year with a running clock,

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Speaker 3: you know, after the first down, you know, outside of

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Speaker 3: two minutes, so all those things are going to come

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Speaker 2: You may start to see a little bit.

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Speaker 3: More of that going on, and as you look at

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Speaker 3: all the games that are going on, you'll see probably

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Speaker 3: a lower number of snaps across the board.

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Speaker 2: But you got to play depth. That's just the bottom line.

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Speaker 3: You got to build depth because not only is it

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Speaker 3: the length of the season, but it's also you know,

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Speaker 3: if you take an injury somewhere along the line, these

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Speaker 3: guys got to step up and play their best football

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Speaker 3: at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs is a phenomenal athlete. We saw him as

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Speaker 1: a true freshman at Alabama last year. You guys have

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Speaker 1: him now, and there's been a lot of chatter about

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Speaker 1: what kind of role he could have or how multiple

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Speaker 1: his role could be on your team, aside from you

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Speaker 3: Now, we'll start with that, but returning is certainly on

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Speaker 3: running back situation. But he has taken a few snap

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Speaker 3: but we're gonna try to solidify him as his safety

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Speaker 3: But he does have theit. That's something that we did

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Speaker 3: but I'm gonna start with safety and kind.

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Speaker 2: Of build from there, Ryan that we appreciated it. From there,

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