WEBVTT - Can humans be cloned?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Manning, I'm Noah, and this is no such thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The show where we settle hard on arguments and yours

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<v Speaker 1>by actually doing the research.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, are we all clones?

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's no no such thing, no such thing. Touch

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<v Speaker 3>thank touch thang touch bang.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's up thingers? This week We've got a

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<v Speaker 1>special episode. We teamed up with Chelsea bober Smith to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the popularity of celebrity clone conspiracies. Chelsea's show,

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<v Speaker 1>American Hysteria tackles all sorts of wild subjects, hoaxes, moral panics,

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<v Speaker 1>and just odd misunderstandings. Today we'll hear about a clone

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<v Speaker 1>whistle blower and talk to a bioscience is expert to

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<v Speaker 1>find out just how feasible human cloning actually is. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>many to start, want to run us through a few

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<v Speaker 1>clone theories you've come across yourself? Yeah, sure, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean essentially pretty much every celebrity when they like

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<v Speaker 1>lose a little bit of weight, there's a new conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>about them being a clone. So all of the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of classic ones you've got, Britney Spears, clone conspiracies, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got Jennifer Lopez, jay Z one of my favorites, Gucci

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<v Speaker 1>Mane the rapper. He went to jail. When he was released,

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<v Speaker 1>he obviously was in much better shape, a lot less

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<v Speaker 1>body fat percentage, you might say. And immediately people were like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>they cloned him while he was in there, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they've got this like new, better looking Gucci man. So

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was funny.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember with that one too.

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<v Speaker 5>Part of it, too, is you know, he came out

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<v Speaker 5>he had this new outlook on life. Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like the classic like I'm a bit more reform now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>he was seemed a little bit more chill and interviews

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<v Speaker 5>and they're like, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not yeah, he can't be, which, by the way, is

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<v Speaker 1>like a very common thing to happen when you're released

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<v Speaker 1>from prison. You just have like a different outlook on

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<v Speaker 1>life to be way a little bit less, especially for

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<v Speaker 1>the first you know, a couple of weeks at least.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of it was entiny to me. I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thought it was funny. I enjoyed the Gucci colon.

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<v Speaker 4>I ain't gonna see.

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<v Speaker 1>Him in front now. The I think one of the

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<v Speaker 1>more recent famous ones was Jamie Fox. He got sick,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and lost a bunch of weight, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. People were really crazy about that one.

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<v Speaker 6>The clone shit threw me. Yes, when they said I

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<v Speaker 6>was a clone that made me flip in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 6>That's it, these motherfuckers trying to clone me. I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>have a stroke, So I'm sitting in my I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 6>in the hospital, be like these bitch as. And then

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<v Speaker 6>I saw me walk into my room.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm white.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, especially because we didn't see him for a while. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>And that's always I feel like a key part of

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<v Speaker 5>this cloning stuff that comes up over and over again.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like if you don't see a public person in

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<v Speaker 5>person for a bit, they think that's when cloning stuff

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<v Speaker 5>is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, makes a very long process according to the conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you didn't mention one of my favorite new

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<v Speaker 5>ones because this is you know, I feel like a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of these are kind of a little bit more

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<v Speaker 5>dark web. But the one that I've seen that like

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<v Speaker 5>I've heard normal people talking about is the Milania Yeah clone.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you have you heard about the Chelsea?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I've definitely heard about this one. I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>a ton about it, you know, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 7>that one is like one where I'm like, maybe, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe this could be this. She's got a clone.

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<v Speaker 1>Vibe about Who am I to judge? Yeah, I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>remember that people would do it, you know, side by

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<v Speaker 1>side videos and being like her nose looks totally different here,

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<v Speaker 1>or her hands doing this thing. Yeah, it's so unlike,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like people that I would think are normal minded.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not compete conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sometimes it's clones, but sometimes it's body doubles. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was more the like that they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't want to participate in these events, so they

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<v Speaker 1>got like an actress, I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, they get look a like.

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<v Speaker 8>Speculation that Malania sometimes sends a body double to make

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<v Speaker 8>official appearances with her husband first surfaced in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 8>The First Lady's Office has previously called the fake Mulania

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<v Speaker 8>story ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny because it's like she's not really doing anything,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, It's like it's just standing there. Like I

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<v Speaker 5>can tell by the way that that is not Milania.

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<v Speaker 5>This is some other thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Who hasn't been mentioned yet. Is Avril Levine. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>because that was a really popular one for a while.

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<v Speaker 7>She was replaced by I think someone named Melissa. I

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<v Speaker 7>like that one because there was like a whole backstory

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<v Speaker 7>to the clone, or maybe it wasn't a clone. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>this is what you're saying. There's like a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>body double clone crossover and I think replaces. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 7>another one I'm thinking of two is and I again

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<v Speaker 7>this is like clone body double I can't quite remember,

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<v Speaker 7>but the one where Taylor Swift is the same person

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<v Speaker 7>or was cloned from Anton Levey, the famous Satanists, either

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<v Speaker 7>daughter or someone that ran the Church of Satan. There's

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<v Speaker 7>like a picture side by side that everyone should go

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<v Speaker 7>and see. And it's like this woman from like the

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<v Speaker 7>Satanic panic era, like you know, she looks very witchy

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<v Speaker 7>and then it shows like side by side and it

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<v Speaker 7>is compelling.

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<v Speaker 1>They do look yeah, I got it now wow actually yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well we'll make a video and we'll show this. But

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<v Speaker 1>yes please, oh wow, Okay, definitely some some shared DNA.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah to say that is kind of nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>And the the eyebrows in the note all right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm convinced I've seen enough.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, if you throw some Satanism in there, things are

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<v Speaker 7>just gonna really hop the fuck off.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, well That's what I'm excited to learn

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about in this episode, is like, I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard these theories my whole life. No one has ever

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<v Speaker 1>been like and this is why they're a clone. H wow,

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<v Speaker 1>So I can't wait to hear.

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<v Speaker 4>Something funny you mentioned that?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, why why don't we take this? And Devin's

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<v Speaker 1>done some research into kind of the ins and outs

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<v Speaker 1>of this whole world.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the cloning industry, Yeah, why don't you?

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<v Speaker 9>Why don't you pick us there?

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<v Speaker 5>So celebrity cloning really, at least the conversation around it

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<v Speaker 5>really hit its peak in twenty sixteen, but a few

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<v Speaker 5>years before that, we had our first let's call him

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<v Speaker 5>cloning whistleblower. All right, it's this guy named Donald Marshall.

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<v Speaker 5>He's known on the dark web as the guy really

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<v Speaker 5>bringing let's say, eyeballs and attention to this issue of

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<v Speaker 5>cloning because he, in fact, is a clone himself.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh wow, all right, a man on the inside.

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<v Speaker 5>A man on the inside. So they're not happy that

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<v Speaker 5>he's taught about this stuff. It's brave, as we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 5>So in twenty eleven, Donald wrote a Facebook post that

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<v Speaker 5>really sort of blew up any circles where he walks

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<v Speaker 5>through some of the mechanics of the cloning world and

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening. So let me read some of it, and

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<v Speaker 5>then I want to play a bit of an interview

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<v Speaker 5>that he did so in twenty eleven, he writes, this

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<v Speaker 5>is no hoax, this is no joke. My name is

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Marshall. I've been cloned by a large secretive cult

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<v Speaker 5>known as the Freemasons and the Real Society and scientologists together.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they collabed, ok, and.

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<v Speaker 4>This is called the Illuminati.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, I've never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 5>They make replicated bodies of people to victimize in terrible ways.

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<v Speaker 5>They clone children for men with underdeveloped penises, that have

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<v Speaker 5>sex with whoa some very famous and politically powerful people,

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<v Speaker 5>all getting together for a disgusting time. Most of the

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<v Speaker 5>G twenty gathered there to discuss worldly matters and watch

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<v Speaker 5>gruesome things done to innocent people for sport. I have

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<v Speaker 5>seen this firsthand and will tell all as it must

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<v Speaker 5>be stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>The way year was this.

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<v Speaker 4>This was in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Wow, it's so funny with these with like the

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<v Speaker 1>details of the conspiracy theory. Most of the G twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>like some of them, were not invited.

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<v Speaker 5>Not everyone and not everyone is showing up most of

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<v Speaker 5>the digital and we're gonna get some more specific names.

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<v Speaker 5>So that was twenty eleven. He starts to make the rounds.

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<v Speaker 5>He starts appearing on a couple of podcasts. You know

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<v Speaker 5>this is around you got to think about. Shortly after this,

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<v Speaker 5>we're getting Pizzagate. We're getting a lot of these conversations

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<v Speaker 5>around people and you know, in politics, especially being tied

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<v Speaker 5>to pedophilia. So a lot of this comes up in

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<v Speaker 5>Donald's story. So here's him on Conspiracy Podcast in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 10>It's Donald Marshall. Welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 8>Hello, Thanks, Why don't you tell us just a little

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<v Speaker 8>bit of background about yourself for those who are unaware.

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<v Speaker 11>First, I wanted to tell you about the cloning stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 11>now human cloning. I have to tell you it's been

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<v Speaker 11>done since at the end of World War Two. Okay,

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<v Speaker 11>I'll tell you how they got it and the whole shebang,

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<v Speaker 11>like thirty third degree freemason, Knowlans I'm probably going to

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<v Speaker 11>die for this somewhere along the lines.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, keep this.

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<v Speaker 11>Picture of this remembory request about everything. Couldn't remember anything.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm still getting side effects from this about as memory

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<v Speaker 11>repressed about the cloning stuff until I was thirty years old.

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<v Speaker 11>They call it the awakened when they give you back

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<v Speaker 11>the memories. Turns out they had me there since I

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<v Speaker 11>was five years old, okay, and my family is there,

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<v Speaker 11>my family members and everything, and they said they're not

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<v Speaker 11>going to lie on a lot of detector tests about it.

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<v Speaker 11>It's it's pretty big, like they were going to kill me,

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<v Speaker 11>they said. The thing is the way that this cloning works. Okay,

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<v Speaker 11>there's two different kinds of cloning, and it confuses people.

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<v Speaker 11>Now there's replication cloning where it comes up as a baby, right,

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<v Speaker 11>put the cells in, make the same person as a baby. Well,

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<v Speaker 11>there's duplication cloning as well, where they grow you in

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<v Speaker 11>a big thick tank fill full of water. This is

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<v Speaker 11>another crazy aspect of it. Okay. The thing is with

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<v Speaker 11>all the songs that I made at this place, and

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<v Speaker 11>they were bringing me back every single night.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So some context here He talks about basically the

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<v Speaker 5>way you know a lot of people are tortured and

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<v Speaker 5>at this place and taking advantage. Actually, the thing that

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<v Speaker 5>kind of saved him was his music ability. So he

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<v Speaker 5>would sing a lot and write songs and that he

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<v Speaker 5>would entertain the people in the cloning facility, which is

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<v Speaker 5>why he was spared from the worst of it.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's some contacts going into this here.

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<v Speaker 11>This is another crazy aspect of it. Okay. The thing

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<v Speaker 11>is with all the songs that I made at this place,

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<v Speaker 11>and they were bringing me back every single night and singing,

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<v Speaker 11>sing a song, or we're going to torture you next night,

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<v Speaker 11>sing a song. We're going to torture you. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 11>couldn't think of anything, and they would just like stab

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<v Speaker 11>me and watch me bleed there. And now they're all

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<v Speaker 11>watching like it's a bizarre face as a death thing,

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<v Speaker 11>and different people want to know what it's like to

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<v Speaker 11>stab someone, so they send them up to stab me

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<v Speaker 11>while among drugs so I won't hit them or something.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like that.

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<v Speaker 11>It's pretty sick. And well, I have to tell you.

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<v Speaker 11>Queen Elizabeth is there, of course, Stephen Harper, Canadian Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 11>Obama is there. Vladimirs the Pope.

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<v Speaker 7>Is even there, all kinds.

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<v Speaker 11>Of heads of different factions of different things. Ahead of

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<v Speaker 11>the Mexican drug cartels there, Mafia in Italy is there, man,

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<v Speaker 11>everybody's there. It's like the rich guy's crazy things. They

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<v Speaker 11>were caught and you have to be real privileged to

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<v Speaker 11>go there. Well, I don't want to go there, and

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not privileged there. I'm pretty low on the totem

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<v Speaker 11>pole there, actually probably the lowest. So anyway, they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 11>threatened me never to talk about it, and along as

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<v Speaker 11>they've been divulging this stuff on Facebook, they've been bringing

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<v Speaker 11>me there and threatening me and stuff and then asking

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<v Speaker 11>me not to mention them specifically what they've done there

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<v Speaker 11>and stuff and panicking.

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<v Speaker 1>Really okay, first thing I want to mention that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad Donald brought up is kind of a baby clones

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<v Speaker 1>versus the replication clones, because this was always talking because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was looking into the history and there's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people talk about Paul McCartney being cloned. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's great, but I mean, did they know when

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<v Speaker 1>he was a baby in nineteen forty in Liverpool. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to need a second one of these lads. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get this one cooking so then when we're ready we

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<v Speaker 1>can just you know, soft on that so that this

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<v Speaker 1>is helpful that there's a way to you know, do

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<v Speaker 1>a full body clone in a thick tank of water

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<v Speaker 1>to match, you know, whenever you need it. It does

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<v Speaker 1>help that was illuminated to understand their theories. It does

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<v Speaker 1>because that was the one that that I was totally

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<v Speaker 1>on board, but that was the one thing that always

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got in the way of me accepting.

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<v Speaker 4>These But now that you know that, yeah, you accept

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<v Speaker 4>this checks out, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Think this would be a kind of good moment to

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<v Speaker 7>like orient ourselves in this conspiracy era really quick, because

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<v Speaker 7>I think we know, you know, we talk about conspiracy

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<v Speaker 7>theories all the time in the Trump era, but I

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<v Speaker 7>was a conspiracy theorist during the late Bush early Obama era.

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<v Speaker 7>And don't worry, it wasn't it didn't get to Harry

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<v Speaker 7>or anything like that, but you know, I was My

0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.640
<v Speaker 7>dad was like a prepper, kind of like an Illuminati guy,

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<v Speaker 7>so I knew a lot about it. But it's just

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<v Speaker 7>like the clones. It's related to the Reptilians. You guys

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<v Speaker 7>remember that, right, Like those videos of Obama blinking sideways.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, those were simpler times.

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<v Speaker 7>They were simpler times, and it was like all linked

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<v Speaker 7>to the Illuminati, but it just like wasn't so overtly

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<v Speaker 7>racist and so overtly like antisemitic as it would become

0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.640
<v Speaker 7>or it was, but you had to like dig really

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<v Speaker 7>deep until you got to that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was so Nita didn't feel as bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely remember all of the like jay Z's like

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<v Speaker 1>Rockefella hands so yeah, oh yeah, triangle and like at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point that there were So there was the

0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.800
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory snow ball to the extent where he like

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<v Speaker 1>had made a song about he like denied the claims

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<v Speaker 1>in the song Conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 4>Different scream in Illuminati. They can't believe his much scale.

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<v Speaker 4>That's in the human body. He's six' to how to fit.

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<v Speaker 7>In that only made people believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>More, yeah it's that's that's what you would say if

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted us to believe exactly WHAT i. Thought donald's

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<v Speaker 1>clip there was interesting about how he's kind of divulging

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<v Speaker 1>all this information secret, information and the most powerful people

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<v Speaker 1>in the world are just kind of, like please don't say,

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<v Speaker 1>this like instead of killing him according to his conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>it's like why would they be so?

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<v Speaker 5>Allowing, yeah and looking into this he. Does his major

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<v Speaker 5>contradiction in his you, know quote unquote reporting is that

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<v Speaker 5>he says yet he's in the most powerful. People they

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<v Speaker 5>do all these horrible things to, Everyone but somehow they're

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<v Speaker 5>keeping him alive and letting him.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk about this. Stuff maybe because he's a clone.

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<v Speaker 5>Himself he said he was actually cloned from when babies are,

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<v Speaker 5>circumcised and you know the tissue at the hospital that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Discarded he, said he's a clone from that tissue. Himself

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<v Speaker 5>so DON'T i don't know why he gets a pass

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<v Speaker 5>despite being you, know pretty loud online about what's happening

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<v Speaker 5>behind closed. Doors BUT i want to you, know we

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<v Speaker 5>talked About Britney spears. Already donald says he actually has

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<v Speaker 5>a connection To Britney, spears, okay and her. Clones So

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<v Speaker 5>Britney spears right before she drops baby one more time

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<v Speaker 5>in ninety, eight allegedly she got into a really bad

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<v Speaker 5>car crash With Justin, timberlake and that is the moment

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<v Speaker 5>in which she was. Cloned and Then donald's telling most

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<v Speaker 5>of these celebrities who have, clones it's not just one.

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<v Speaker 5>Clone you got to have a few, backups so there's

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<v Speaker 5>five or six or you, know seven, Clones And donald, telling,

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<v Speaker 5>like the reason Why britney has had so many ups

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<v Speaker 5>and downs in her careers because these are different. Clones

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<v Speaker 5>these are actually different people that you're. Seeing some are

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit more manic than. Others but one of

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<v Speaker 5>the clones in two thousand and nine came To donald and, say,

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<v Speaker 5>HEY i need your help because remember he's musically, talented.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is in the clone camp or Where.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah i'm assuming it's in a clone. Camp, okay we'll

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<v Speaker 4>check in With.

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<v Speaker 5>We've got some fact checking all this From donald and

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<v Speaker 5>talks to. Her and in that, Year Britney spears releases

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<v Speaker 5>a song called Break, dice which there's some clues in,

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<v Speaker 5>which you, know there's if you listen to the, lyrics

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<v Speaker 5>and some clues there about cloning that she sneaks in

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<v Speaker 5>to try to let the world. Know and this is

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<v Speaker 5>an interesting tidbit here the music. Video it's it's an animated.

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<v Speaker 5>Video and in the, Video Britney spears goes to a

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<v Speaker 5>clone lab where there's all these clones and blows it.

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<v Speaker 5>Up oh, wow clones of her the, Clones, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>okay they're in the tanks That donald talks about filled

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<v Speaker 5>with water.

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<v Speaker 4>DEVELOPING i.

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<v Speaker 7>See can you imagine how he felt when he saw that?

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<v Speaker 4>Video Like i've been telling, everybody, look holy it's. Happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Well conspiracy theorists love the idea that the masterminds are

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<v Speaker 1>leaving behind clues for you to follow.

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<v Speaker 4>Along, yeah there's a great stand up bit about.

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<v Speaker 1>That oh, Yeah Nick, Mollen Nick.

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<v Speaker 4>Mullen, yeah but.

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<v Speaker 10>That was always so funny to me because it's, like,

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<v Speaker 10>like what do you think?

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<v Speaker 4>Happened?

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<v Speaker 10>Right like the fucking c I a was, like, okay

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<v Speaker 10>plans ready to, go ready to blow up The World Trade.

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<v Speaker 10>Center there's only one step, left.

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<v Speaker 1>The.

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<v Speaker 2>Clues.

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<v Speaker 10>Yep, yeah it's clue. Tome it's time to get the

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<v Speaker 10>clues out. There we wouldn't have gotten away with.

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<v Speaker 4>It SO i was.

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<v Speaker 5>Curious you, know a lot of us is over ten

0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.280
<v Speaker 5>years old now From, donald SO i was curious if

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<v Speaker 5>he's still posting and talking about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Today he.

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<v Speaker 5>Is His facebook is very active to the point where

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<v Speaker 5>obviously we're recording this just a few days after finding

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<v Speaker 5>out That Rob reiner was killed along with his, wife

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<v Speaker 5>and you, know the leading suspect who are in the

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<v Speaker 5>cops right now is their, son And donald posted just

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<v Speaker 5>last night they went to the cloning center. Regularly it's

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<v Speaker 5>possible their son regained his memory about cloning after age

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<v Speaker 5>thirty spontaneously where they allowed him to remember and he

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<v Speaker 5>got revenge for mistreatment. There so this is where we

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.800
<v Speaker 5>have this sort of, like you, know it's, funny we're

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.919
<v Speaker 5>having a good, time and then real people's lives, are you, know,

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.480
<v Speaker 5>yeah being, affected and he's sort of swooping in here

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<v Speaker 5>and a sort of like take advantage of the, situation,

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<v Speaker 5>yeah and claiming that actually they kind of deserved it because.

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<v Speaker 4>Of what they did to. Them so this is where

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<v Speaker 4>the conspiracy theories start to get a little achy for. Me,

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<v Speaker 4>yeah not as, Fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea i'm curious how this feel like this echoes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of kind of alien abduction sorts of. Theories i'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure in your your work you've found tons of things like.

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<v Speaker 1>This how does this kind of stock?

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<v Speaker 4>Up?

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<v Speaker 7>YEAH i mean, god it's, like there's so there's so

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<v Speaker 7>many things popping into my.

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<v Speaker 2>Head it's going.

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<v Speaker 7>Along one of them would be the history of alien

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<v Speaker 7>abductions and how people go to therapists to recover memories

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<v Speaker 7>of their alien. Abduction, Right so there's this memory, thing

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.880
<v Speaker 7>which is also satanic panic stuff where it's like suddenly

0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.480
<v Speaker 7>you recover this memory of being a child in a

0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.479
<v Speaker 7>satanic cult that you would completely. Repress so it's like

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<v Speaker 7>this like memory coming back suddenly is a big part

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<v Speaker 7>of conspiracy. Theory and then like it makes me think

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<v Speaker 7>of LIKE Mk ultra right where there's like this government

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<v Speaker 7>body controlling the most famous and powerful people for you,

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<v Speaker 7>know name your, reason, Right AND i, also you, KNOW

0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 7>i go back, to LIKE i, said The. Reptilians this

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:49.359
<v Speaker 7>like body swapping thing has been around a long time

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 7>and continues to be. Around and THEN i can look

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<v Speaker 7>at someone Like Tila. Tequila do you guys Remember Tyla tequila?

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<v Speaker 3>Familiar?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, YEAH i MEAN i loved her on A

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.399
<v Speaker 7>shot At. LOVE i really loved that show was like

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<v Speaker 7>the bisexual, yes men and women buying for?

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<v Speaker 4>Her, yes, yes, yes, yeah great show WHEN i was.

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:16.960
<v Speaker 7>Thirteen great thing to revisit. Everyone last, Season Tila tequila

0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:18.119
<v Speaker 7>began her quest for.

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<v Speaker 8>Love i'm a.

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<v Speaker 6>Bisexual oh and after meeting sixteen hot lesbians and sixteen straight,

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.640
<v Speaker 6>guys she found but.

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<v Speaker 7>What she went down The illuminati pipe like really. Hard

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<v Speaker 7>AND i tracked that because of course it was fascinating to.

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<v Speaker 7>Me and you, know she got into Mk. Ultra she

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<v Speaker 7>said that she was Mk. Ultrad she said she was

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 7>cloned at one, point which is you know WHY i

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 7>think it's. Relevant but she did that classic like pipeline

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 7>into literally becoming A. Nazi you guys know, this it's, interesting,

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<v Speaker 7>yeah right, Right so she's kind of a great like

0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.800
<v Speaker 7>case of how you can start with these kinds of silly.

0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 7>THINGS i, mean we know this, now we know the

0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:03.600
<v Speaker 7>like algorithm pushes us toward, extremism but things were like

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 7>we didn't have the same types of algorithms, then so

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 7>it is more self, PROPELLED i, Think and you could

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 7>just start with, like, yeah maybe all the powerful people

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:16.400
<v Speaker 7>are like, Reptiles like there are. Aliens they are inhuman

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.919
<v Speaker 7>looking to, Me so let's like start from, there and

0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 7>then eventually you're like in A nazi uniform taking a photo.

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<v Speaker 7>Shoot it happens.

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<v Speaker 4>Wild, yeah the reptilian.

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 5>Thing it's coming up a lot with the clone, stuff

0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 5>looking into a lot of these people that they're claiming our.

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.679
<v Speaker 5>Clones there's you, know random videos where the person blinks

0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 5>in a certain way and they're, like, oh they're glitching.

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:40.439
<v Speaker 5>Out one of the people who comes up time and

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 5>time again with this stuff is. Eminem you, know he's

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<v Speaker 5>been famous for a long time, now part of the

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 5>conspiracy is like people, say, oh his voice has actually

0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 5>changed over his, career like it doesn't sound. Early Some

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:53.920
<v Speaker 5>shady doesn't sound the same.

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 4>Old yeah too. Weird, also just people's voices change over.

0:23:58.680 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 4>Time it's.

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<v Speaker 9>Older he's aging every.

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Day it sounds about twenty years old.

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 4>Than he did years.

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 5>Ago and then people will point to videos like, This

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<v Speaker 5>so this is an interview between eminem.

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<v Speaker 11>And have y'all shot a video together?

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 12>Before, no we was in a movie, together and.

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 4>Uh the video what was?

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.880
<v Speaker 12>It the dre Video i'm representing for the cases when

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 12>you're on the beach running on that? Video what's that

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 12>in that? Video, yeah you was running on the. Beach

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 12>that was like your debut. ALBUM i was you was

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 12>running on the. Beach you was running on the beach

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:46.879
<v Speaker 12>with no clothes. On you gotta show me that ship shady.

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 12>Cut you was like, crazy real. Crazy you don't remember

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 12>that cuse you was running on the beach cause in

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 12>the video BUT i don't even, know there was a

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 12>bunch of girls around and all.

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<v Speaker 4>Of a sudden would fit to.

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<v Speaker 3>You oh, yeah, okay, okay now remember.

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 5>So people are pointing to this video as, oh obviously

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 5>he doesn't remember because that was. Clone it wasn't him so,

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 5>Incredible so you, know even small moments of people are being, like,

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<v Speaker 5>OH i don't really remember that, thing people turn Into,

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 5>okay here's more proof that this person.

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Him forgetting is so easy to believe, too has like you,

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:30.120
<v Speaker 1>know in the music, industry or like the rock, world

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of drunk all the, time or do all

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>these drugs on these music video. Sets it's not hard

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to believe that he would forget.

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<v Speaker 4>That probably not the first or last thing he's filmed

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<v Speaker 4>on the beach. Either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah next up we hear from someone who knows how

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<v Speaker 1>cloning actually. Works my interview With bioscience is expert Professor Henry.

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<v Speaker 4>Galley after the, break all, right we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Back we're here With chelsea talking about, clones celebrity, clones

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<v Speaker 1>and all the theories surrounding. THEM i want to find

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<v Speaker 1>out does cloning actually happen and, how and then try

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<v Speaker 1>to find out if humans could be cloned and why

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<v Speaker 1>are why? Not SO i spoke to Doctor Henry.

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<v Speaker 13>Greeley i'm a law professor At stanford WHERE i work on,

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<v Speaker 13>ethical legal and social issues in the. Biosciences i'm the

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<v Speaker 13>director Of Stanford center For law and The biosciences and

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 13>a professor by courtesy of.

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<v Speaker 1>Genetics so we all know About dolly the sheep in

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the late.

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<v Speaker 14>Nineties, yes her name Is dolly seven months. Old she

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<v Speaker 14>may not be the monster imagined in a science fiction,

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 14>fantasy yet The Cuddy Finn dorset lamb may represent a

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<v Speaker 14>major landmark in the history of genetic engineering on an

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.400
<v Speaker 14>ordinary farm In. Scotland scientists say a clone was created

0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 14>from a single cell taken from the utter of a.

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.159
<v Speaker 14>Sheep the embryo was then implanted in a, surrogate making

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 14>an exact genetic copy of its so called. Mother scientists

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 14>tail it as a triumph for research in, aging medicine and.

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<v Speaker 1>Genetics So dolly was really important because before this people

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't really think you could clone. Mammals frogs and other

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>animals had been cloned, before and like people had tried

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>with mice and rats and it never worked and people

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>weren't sure exactly, why but certainly something like a sheep

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>has never happened. Before there was a you, know major

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>reaction TO dolli not just excitement and like, wow but you,

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>know ethical concerns and, like what does this mean for.

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 1>Humanity the reaction To dolly was.

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Startling it was worldwide.

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 13>Hysteria we went from one cloned lamb to armies of

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 13>cloned warrior slaves in.

0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 2>HEADLINES i think part of.

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<v Speaker 13>The hysteria was even though we should have known that

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 13>this could, happen nobody'd been paying. Attention so the result

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 13>of the hysteria was a bunch of laws around the

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:16.239
<v Speaker 13>world saying human cloning is. Illegal california actually passed one

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 13>of the first of, those although it made a nice

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 13>distinction that later became pretty important in THE us, controversially

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 13>the distinction between reproductive cloning cloning a human to make another,

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 13>baby and research cloning or therapeutic, cloning cloning a human

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 13>in order to make an embryo where it could take

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 13>some cells from that embryo to use to treat the

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 13>person who you had, cloned because that, way if the

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 13>cells have the SAME dna as the person you, cloned

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 13>that person's immune system won't attack, them it will think

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 13>accurately that it's the same. Person it kicked off a

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 13>six to ten year fight about embryo research cloning, embryos

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 13>and much of the cloning came down TO i, mean

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 13>everybody agreed you shouldn't clone. Babies some thought it was just,

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:13.479
<v Speaker 13>wrong AND i just thought it's too. Dangerous but there

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 13>was a disagreement about whether you should be able to clone.

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Embryos so that's kind of the immediate aftermath Of dolly

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>is you, Know, okay what is this going to mean for?

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 4>Us?

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Like are we just going to make a bunch of?

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Humans is this just how the world is going to

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>be like overrun with. Clones we get into a little

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 1>bit more of the ethical concerns of playing god in this,

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>way but even, there you, know he touched on kind

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>of the actual.

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Therapeutic uses of.

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Cloning, yeah so anyway we can get a little bit

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>more into that and kind of the actual uses of

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote. Cloning but these laws didn't scare everyone. Off

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>some people went for.

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 13>It after dollars birth is, Announced it's front page headlines

0:29:56.120 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 13>all over the, world lots of different of outrage and,

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 13>legislation but there were also some there was a. Countercurrent

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 13>there were people who Said i'm going to clone myself

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 13>OR i want to make a. Clone one of, them

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 13>particularly noteworthy was a physicist Named Richard.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Seed.

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<v Speaker 13>SEED i, mean sometimes fact is stranger than. FICTION a

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 13>guy Named seed who wants to clone. Himself he've strongly

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 13>Resembled Doc brown from The back to The future, franchise

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 13>and he looked like a mad. Scientist and he went

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 13>ON tv and his brother ran AN ivf, clinic so

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 13>he was going to clone. Himself there were Two, obgyns

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 13>one From kentucky and one FROM i Believe, greece who

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 13>also announced that they were going to do human. Cloning

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 13>AND i actually claimed to have gotten a pregnancy, started

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 13>although no one actually knows whether.

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>That was true or.

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 13>Not but the most interesting would be, cloners who was

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 13>a religious. CULT i THINK i can called them a.

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 13>Cult it's still around called the Re alliance R A

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 13>e L I a N. S there was A french

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 13>race car driver who was visited by aliens in a space.

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 4>Ship oh do you.

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 15>Best tell us yourself what your experience was with aliens In?

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 4>Fightful.

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 15>YES i was a journalist in the center Of france

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 15>in nineteen seventy three AND i was contacted by people

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 15>coming from out of. Space and these people are very.

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 15>Special they contact. Me they came in a volcano with

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 15>what you the name you give is THE ufo but

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 15>it was not exactly. Uffo and the man went out

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 15>of these flying so so and he spoke to.

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 13>Me who told him that they had seeded life On

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 13>earth millions of years, before and they had seeded, humans

0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 13>and you, know they were our, parents our, gods and

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 13>he should form a group that would acknowledge them and

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 13>pass along their. Truths and by the, way his new

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.239
<v Speaker 13>name Was. Rayel he apparently was a charismatic race car,

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 13>driver and as AS i think the case with many

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 13>of these particularly unusual religious, sects he seems to have

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 13>had a strong degree of sexual, magnetism because his sex

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 13>seemed to be made up mainly of attractive young. Women,

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 13>interesting but it was a flying saucer.

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Cult you.

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 13>Know they believe that there were these aliens who had started,

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 13>us and the aliens wanted things for us to. Do

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 13>this had STARTED i think in the, SEVENTIES i mean

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 13>years Before. Dolly but Once dolly comes, Out rayel, says,

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 13>oh by the, way the aliens told me that it

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 13>was our duty As raeliens to clone, humans because that's

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 13>the next step in human.

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Evolutions so we're cloning.

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 13>Humans and, here by the, way is my very attractive

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 13>young female head Cloner glegitque de Bois, ange who was a,

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 13>biochemist which has very little to do with the science behind.

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Cloning but they set up a cloning.

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<v Speaker 13>Lab which Was brigitte In West, virginia and they.

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Said their goal was to clone.

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<v Speaker 13>PEOPLE fda then got involved and, said, no you need

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 13>our permission to do. That so they, said, well we

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 13>don't want to ask your, permission and they moved their

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 13>lab to The.

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Bahamas they got to, work and in late two thousand

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and Two brigitte how a press conference to make this.

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Announcement i'm, very very pleased to note that the first

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>baby cool is.

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 13>Born her name Was, eve but they weren't going to

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 13>disclose any more information in order to protect her, privacy of.

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.959
<v Speaker 13>Course BUT i don't think anybody outside the realiens believes.

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>It eve has never.

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 13>Appeared there's never been any proof that she, exists so

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 13>that she's a.

0:33:53.080 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 9>Clone, Yeah SO i thought this was a pretty Interesting uh.

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah they sound like almost like The Heaven's gate, cult

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>where the aliens are giving them instructions that they need to,

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 1>do and then at the end of those instructions they're

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>supposed to commit suicide.

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 7>And go away on the, spaceship.

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>But the re aliens are still. Around it sounds like,

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah AND i had heard about them that in some

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>passing capacity before. THIS i didn't realize, though that they

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 1>existed way before the. Clones and THEN i like, that you,

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>know their leader was like read the news and was, like, oh,

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>yeah this is this is sexually yeah and grab yeah

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty, smart you.

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 4>Know, yeah headlines.

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Exactly and there's more examples of people trying in different

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>levels of kind of. Seriousness there's A South korean scientist

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>who claim to have succeeded and like was really revered

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>In korea and they made postage stamps with his face

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>on it and, stuff and then he was debunked as a.

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Fraud but that person does does have a successful pet

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 1>cloning business. Today so pet, cloning we, know does. Happen

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.240
<v Speaker 1>barbara STREISAND i Think Tom brady, Recently, Yes Tom brady

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>came out.

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 16>Recently Tom brady is. Adorable Pop juny is a social media,

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 16>star but if she looks, familiar it's definitely not a.

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 16>Coincidence the dog is actually a clone Of brady's previous

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 16>piple Mix, lua who died in twenty twenty. Three THE

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 16>nfl legend revealing his new dog's background this, week, writing

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 16>in a few short, Months colossal gave my family a

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 16>second chance with a clone of our beloved, Dog, brady

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 16>an investor in the biotech Company Colossal.

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Biosciences, yeah and then, yeah and THEN i talked to

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Doctor greeley about all this stuff. Too but you see

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>all these stories, about you, know cloning mammoths or dire.

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 4>Wolves, yes.

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>The issue and this kind of speaks to the ethics

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.359
<v Speaker 1>when especially when to talk about, humans is it's very,

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 1>mysterious and there's a lot of loss when you're doing

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>These so a lot of dogs are dying when they're

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>cloning these. Pets so it's, like because there's kind of

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>these source dogs that they're, using and it's it's kind

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.879
<v Speaker 1>of they're not they're unclear about the. Numbers but when

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:11.439
<v Speaker 1>you look into. It there's a really Good New yorker

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>article That i'll link to as, well where it's like

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about, it and it's, like, yeah they're very

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>vague about it because it's probably like thirty dogs dying

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to make.

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 4>Your one clone.

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Lives it's pretty you, know pet cloning, businesses is it

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the same kind of cloning as As, DOLLY i think

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty similar process where it's, basically, yeah you

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 1>have the kind of these cell lines that you can

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 1>keep a lot for, generations and then you kind of

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>grab from that and then mix it with new.

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Ones.

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so, YEAH i, mean the reliens, fascinating and you,

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 1>know it's. Interesting there's always going to be some people

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>who whenever some big thing, happens is going to be,

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>like all, right we're going to do, this but in a,

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>bigger more out of a more important. Way so let's,

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>see in twenty, thirteen someone was able to clone human, embryos,

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>but as Doctor greeley explained to, me other developments like

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>different stem cell research and fibroblasts for these therapeutic, uses

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 1>that kind of took the pressure off the cloning. Question,

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>so you, know the science world at large kind of

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>focused on this this kind of research because it's not

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>as clouded with, like, okay you're trying to make a

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 1>whole different race of, people like, yeah you, know it's

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like it's, like, okay we're doing this purely for you,

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>know these purposes of you, know more medicinal sorts of.

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Things embryonic cloning is essentially making a, twin, Right, Yeah hank, explained,

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>like we are all clones essentially as far as the,

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Process so it's a matter of just doing it kind

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of out of, it yeah, exactly and then like identical

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:46.919
<v Speaker 1>twins are naturally. Clones, yeah because it's just a matter

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>of the cell splitting at the right time and then

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 1>it just too too human developing at the same. Time

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>that's basically the process that these people have.

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 4>Been trying to just, do you, know unofficially.

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, YEAH i, See so that makes it a lot more.

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Sense it's like cloning at the conception stage versus what

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these conspiracy theories, are which is that

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 1>today you could clone me m and then LIKE i

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 1>would grow at an accelerated rate in a tank or

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>something and then come out like a two weeks. Later well,

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>yeah cause, again and you Know i'd mentioned this, before but,

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i. ASKED i was, like, well the problem with,

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>cloning if you were trying to solve the person would

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>be you'd need to do it when they're. Born, backup

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>BECAUSE i was, like, okay, Well paul McCartney or, Something,

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>well there's some level of you, know musical talent or

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>something that is probably. Genetic, yeah but a lot of

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 1>it is probably circumstance and obviously being around the right,

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>people so it'd be very, difficult OR i wouldn't put

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>my money on being able to re Remake paul McCartney

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>and hope that he's going to be a Successful it is,

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>interesting Like William Shatner this Is So, random was like

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the host of a kind of an unsolved mysteries type

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>show that's On netflix, now and they did an episode

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>about twins and they interviewed these two twins were separated at,

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>birth and the like similarities between their lives were just

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>so insanely, deep like that they had that they bought

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the same make and model car the year of the,

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 1>car that their wives had the same. Names like, now

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it probably is, coincidence but LIKE i

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 1>wonder with The paul McCartney, example like maybe if they

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>cloned him and he grew up In america, instead he

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>would still be like a number one, artist but with

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>An american style music or. SOMETHING i don't, mean it's you,

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>know it's a great what.

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 7>IF i SUPPOSE i feel like WHEN i was a,

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 7>kid because When dolly, HAPPENED i would have been like

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 7>seven eight years, old and in my mind it was

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.239
<v Speaker 7>definitely like they put the sheep in the machine and

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 7>then that's what she came out of the. Machine, Right,

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 7>yeah that was the cartoon. VERSION i feel like The

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 7>simpsons did it a bunch of, times, like, oh for,

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 7>sure Cloned bart and it was just like a million

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 7>clones would pop out of the. Machine AND i THINK

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 7>i thought that that was what cloning was for a

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 7>very long. TIME i do not. Know and this just

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 7>makes so much. Sense it's like so much less mysterious

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 7>when you are talking about just the very basic science of.

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 7>It it's still incredible and, amazing but it's, Like, OKAY

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 7>i get that a lot more than some kind of

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 7>special plasma machine that you, go, yeah.

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Like a THREE d printer, Essentially, yeah. Exactly AND i, asked,

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 1>like why you, know why haven't you know aside from

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>now obviously there's laws and all these, things but, like

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>is there something about humans that makes it so difficult

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to clone? Us and he said kind of how Before

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 1>dolly they were like maybe mammals can't be clone just too.

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Complicated for whatever, reason we can't find the right. Combo

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>that seems to be also a lot of it with,

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>humans where it's, like, one we don't want to necessarily

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>go so, far so we're we're not going to push,

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>it or we.

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Can't we can't.

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Legally, yeah and also it's a matter of the cost

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>would be so, high the cost not being, money but just, like,

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 1>yeah you might make a lot of really messed up

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:54.839
<v Speaker 1>people who won't survive or anything, else and that brings

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 1>up a whole other host of.

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 4>Questions, ACTUALLY i.

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 7>Feel like people are really playing with fire because as

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 7>a lot of times these clones turn out to be

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 7>evil as.

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Far as the risk might not be worth. It, no

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 1>let me let me play one more clip on kind

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:10.879
<v Speaker 1>of the ethical concerns from, him and then let's wrap

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>up and kind of talk about why why we are

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>so fascinated by.

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 13>This so the ethical concerns around human cloning really fall

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 13>into only two different. Buckets one is a more absolute

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.359
<v Speaker 13>something man was not intended to. Do we shouldn't mess

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 13>with ourselves in this. Way this is Not god's. Will,

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 13>interestingly this is one of those areas where the political

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.879
<v Speaker 13>spectrum is a. Circle so you've got conservatives who say

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 13>it's Not god's.

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Will you've got ultra liberals who, say, well it's not.

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Natural it's not evolution's.

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 13>Will it's Not darwin's, will which shows the misunderstanding of

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 13>evolution In.

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Darwin but it's it's certainly not, natural at least not in,

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 2>humans not in.

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.439
<v Speaker 13>Mammals add to that the fact that your manipula human

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 13>embryos and you're going to end up killing a lot

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 13>of human embryos in the research or with leftover, embryos

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 13>and that is viewed by many people as murdering. Babies

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 13>not by majority of the, country but a substantial chunk

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 13>of the, country and several states think that destroying embryos

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 13>is murdering. Babies so that's one set of. Concerns and

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 13>those would, say, no it's just. Wrong it doesn't, matter

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 13>there's no two ways about. It the other side focuses

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 13>more on not is the process right or, wrong but

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 13>what would the likely consequences? Be so what's wrong with

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 13>cloning humans to make? Babies and there everyone still agrees

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 13>it's too. Risky you, KNOW i care about dead, puppies

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 13>BUT i care about dead babies a lot more THAN

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 13>i care about dead. Puppies so we don't know how

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 13>safe it would be with. Humans how would you ever

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 13>know how safe it would be with, humans you'd have

0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 13>to try it in. Humans so safety is a, big big,

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:05.919
<v Speaker 13>question and so far everybody thinks it's a it's a deal.

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 13>Killer one can imagine a research program that would give

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 13>you enough confidence that you'd, say, okay you can try,

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 13>this but no one seems to be working along those,

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 13>lines in part because there seems to be no really

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 13>great reason to clone. Humans and that's the second. ARGUMENT i,

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.839
<v Speaker 13>mean one argument is it's. Unsafe the other argument is why?

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Bother, yeah there you get a taste of kind of

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 1>lots of the questions being around this kind of why

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>overall it's been basically shut down as a. Thing, YEAH

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 1>i ought to say is as far as we, know

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>there have been no grown human clones to. Debunk you,

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>know you guys can calm, Down. DEVIN i don't know

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're convinced, yet but you, Know i'll hook you

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>up With hank and you guys can chat it.

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 4>Out, yeah we'll.

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 5>SEE i would be shocked if there were human, cloneses

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.320
<v Speaker 5>but they wouldn't tell us if there were no.

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Exactly of, Course stanford is, obviously you, know bought off

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 1>by Big. Clone so there, hasn't to our, knowledge been

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a cloned human that has then grown. Up but it

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 1>seems like the technology is. Possible it's a thing that

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 1>could happen if there were not so many hurdles or.

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Obstacles not THAT i think those hurdles are obstacles shouldn't be,

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>there but, like it seems like they could essentially do

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>this if if they wanted, to they being like the

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>world's leading. Scientists, YEAH i don't think it's something that's,

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 1>impossible just like the same way they thought maybe the

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>sheep couldn't be cloned and then.

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Was it's a matter of.

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>A lot and a lot and a lot of. Trial but,

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 1>yeah it seems like that same PROCESS i think in

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>theory would work for. Humans so then for the conspiracy

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>theorists who believe this, stuff you know that that's an

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 1>easy leap to. Make it's, Like, okay someone is cloning

0:44:58.360 --> 0:44:58.879
<v Speaker 1>somewhere and.

0:44:58.840 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 4>It's just a.

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Secret, originally at the beginning of this, EPISODE i thought

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't even possible to do it for, humans SO

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 1>i could see kind of where the conspiracy theorists are coming.

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>From of COURSE i don't agree or believe, that but but,

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>yeah the technology, like you, know it kind of makes.

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Sense we're going to take one more quick, break and

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 1>when we're, back we're going to discuss why we're so

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>attracted to these clone. Theories doing all this and thinking

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:37.280
<v Speaker 1>about it and both the kind of moral red lines

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and otherwise you wonder kind of why these are such reoccurring.

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 4>Trips we're talking.

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>About much more recent history twenty sixteen as a kind of,

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>peak but also obviously you go, back you, know fifty

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 1>fifty years more and people are talking about this and

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a recurring, thing AND i wonder why that.

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Is do you guys have any any theories on kind

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of what draws us to this?

0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 7>IDEA i would think that thing at least would be,

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 7>like for, EXAMPLE i remember when people were Saying Kanye

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.439
<v Speaker 7>west was, cloned and that was in like twenty twenty,

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 7>three and it does feel like this like cope kind

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:15.879
<v Speaker 7>of thing where it's, Like, okay he did a bunch

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.800
<v Speaker 7>of shit THAT i didn't think he would, do and

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 7>so what's an easy. Explanation he's the evil clone of,

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:27.399
<v Speaker 7>himself you. Know and SO i think that there's this

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 7>very easy way to whether it be like a doppelganger

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 7>or it be even a, reptilian but like this body

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 7>swap idea where you can just, say if SOMEONE i

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 7>like is doing SOMETHING i don't, like or even if

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 7>SOMEONE i don't like is doing something, good well that's

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 7>actually still evil because they have these evil. Intentions so

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 7>it's like this really easy way to like morph the

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 7>person who is in your crosshairs for whatever reason into

0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 7>either being good or. Bad he's not what you.

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Want, YEAH i guess it's kind of just like being

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>possessed by the devil or some dan or something, REALLY

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>i mean in just a religious sense of like you're

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.439
<v Speaker 1>doing this wrong because you're being tempted by something, else

0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and essentially that's what the clone is, doing or whoever

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>is making the clone and swapping out these people or

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:18.319
<v Speaker 1>that sort of.

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 4>Thing.

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, YEAH i would also say, that like many other

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories THAT i feel like so many of them

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 1>are rooted in a just a massive kind of distrust

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 1>for governments or, institutions and then it just becomes so

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>easy for you to believe that some incredibly nefarious stuff

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>is going on if you already don't trust those kind of.

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Organizations if that makes, Sense, yeah brings.

0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 5>SOME i would say, order like it's, like you, know

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 5>people are, Complex like you, Know chelsea's talking about The kanye,

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 5>EXAMPLE i saw the opposite of like now That kanye

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:52.799
<v Speaker 5>is going on as you, know Like.

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 4>Jewish apology tour where he's like a.

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.759
<v Speaker 5>Little bit more, chill and now people are, saying, oh

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 5>now this is actually a. Clone, yeah the real one

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 5>when ye sit down and do this and go back

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 5>when their.

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 7>Work you can choose which one of those stories, exactly.

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Everyone and it gives order to a thing that

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 5>it's like kind of, confusing doesn't really make.

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 4>Sense you don't have a lot of context for.

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 5>Right these people aren't spending time With, kanye they aren't

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:20.800
<v Speaker 5>spending time with these. Politicians they don't understand why horrible

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 5>things are happening in the, world and it's easy to be, like,

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.319
<v Speaker 5>oh it's. Clones you, know it's. Clones these people are,

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 5>Evil this is all. Conspiracy it seems like there was

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 5>no order to, it and it seems like like like

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 5>the world is just so, unpredictable but behind the, scenes

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 5>there's so much order to, it and like the world

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.240
<v Speaker 5>is predestined to be this way because these people are.

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Pulling the pup the shrinks behind you, know closed.

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 7>DOORS i mean it really is just the perfect example

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 7>of like every conspiracy, theory if things are not what they. Seem,

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.799
<v Speaker 7>yes it's just like a perfect one to one of

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 7>the heart of conspiracy. Theory AND i think that's why

0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 7>it endoors.

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Too m. H, Yeah i'm sure this is Gonna, yeah

0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:04.439
<v Speaker 1>it will, endure And i'm sure in thirty years people

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 1>will be sitting around podcasting about you, know the next

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 1>round of clones will be replaced, probably, so, yeah our

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 1>clones we do a. Little if our podcast gets a

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>little more, popular they're changing this. Out, yep Time kaleidoscope fires,

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:18.759
<v Speaker 1>us but they've been growing clones the whole.

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 7>Time would we know we were the? Clones that's a great.

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 5>Question we have to give like a code word or

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<v Speaker 5>signal that if you ask us this and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>clone would not have the memories of the Original no right.

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