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Speaker 1: All right, what's up thingers? This week We've got a
Speaker 1: special episode. We teamed up with Chelsea bober Smith to
Speaker 1: talk about the popularity of celebrity clone conspiracies. Chelsea's show,
Speaker 1: American Hysteria tackles all sorts of wild subjects, hoaxes, moral panics,
Speaker 1: and just odd misunderstandings. Today we'll hear about a clone
Speaker 1: whistle blower and talk to a bioscience is expert to
Speaker 1: find out just how feasible human cloning actually is. All Right,
Speaker 1: many to start, want to run us through a few
Speaker 1: clone theories you've come across yourself? Yeah, sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean essentially pretty much every celebrity when they like
Speaker 1: lose a little bit of weight, there's a new conspiracy
Speaker 1: about them being a clone. So all of the kind
Speaker 1: of classic ones you've got, Britney Spears, clone conspiracies, you've
Speaker 1: got Jennifer Lopez, jay Z one of my favorites, Gucci
Speaker 1: Mane the rapper. He went to jail. When he was released,
Speaker 1: he obviously was in much better shape, a lot less
Speaker 1: body fat percentage, you might say. And immediately people were like, wow,
Speaker 1: they cloned him while he was in there, and then
Speaker 1: they've got this like new, better looking Gucci man. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was funny.
Speaker 4: I remember with that one too.
Speaker 5: Part of it, too, is you know, he came out
Speaker 5: he had this new outlook on life. Yes, you know,
Speaker 5: it's like the classic like I'm a bit more reform now. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was seemed a little bit more chill and interviews
Speaker 5: and they're like, that's.
Speaker 1: Not yeah, he can't be, which, by the way, is
Speaker 1: like a very common thing to happen when you're released
Speaker 1: from prison. You just have like a different outlook on
Speaker 1: life to be way a little bit less, especially for
Speaker 1: the first you know, a couple of weeks at least.
Speaker 4: I kind of it was entiny to me. I kind
Speaker 4: of thought it was funny. I enjoyed the Gucci colon.
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna see.
Speaker 1: Him in front now. The I think one of the
Speaker 1: more recent famous ones was Jamie Fox. He got sick,
Speaker 1: I think, and lost a bunch of weight, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. People were really crazy about that one.
Speaker 6: The clone shit threw me. Yes, when they said I
Speaker 6: was a clone that made me flip in the hospital.
Speaker 6: That's it, these motherfuckers trying to clone me. I didn't
Speaker 6: have a stroke, So I'm sitting in my I'm sitting
Speaker 6: in the hospital, be like these bitch as. And then
Speaker 6: I saw me walk into my room.
Speaker 4: But I'm white.
Speaker 5: Well, especially because we didn't see him for a while. Yes,
Speaker 5: And that's always I feel like a key part of
Speaker 5: this cloning stuff that comes up over and over again.
Speaker 5: It's like if you don't see a public person in
Speaker 5: person for a bit, they think that's when cloning stuff
Speaker 5: is happening.
Speaker 1: Yes, makes a very long process according to the conspiracies.
Speaker 5: And then you didn't mention one of my favorite new
Speaker 5: ones because this is you know, I feel like a
Speaker 5: lot of these are kind of a little bit more
Speaker 5: dark web. But the one that I've seen that like
Speaker 5: I've heard normal people talking about is the Milania Yeah clone.
Speaker 4: Have you have you heard about the Chelsea?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've definitely heard about this one. I don't know
Speaker 7: a ton about it, you know, but I feel like
Speaker 7: that one is like one where I'm like, maybe, you know,
Speaker 7: maybe this could be this. She's got a clone.
Speaker 1: Vibe about Who am I to judge? Yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: remember that people would do it, you know, side by
Speaker 1: side videos and being like her nose looks totally different here,
Speaker 1: or her hands doing this thing. Yeah, it's so unlike,
Speaker 1: you're like people that I would think are normal minded.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not compete conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's clones, but sometimes it's body doubles. So
Speaker 1: I think that was more the like that they were like,
Speaker 1: she didn't want to participate in these events, so they
Speaker 1: got like an actress, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they get look a like.
Speaker 8: Speculation that Malania sometimes sends a body double to make
Speaker 8: official appearances with her husband first surfaced in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 8: The First Lady's Office has previously called the fake Mulania
Speaker 8: story ridiculous.
Speaker 5: It's funny because it's like she's not really doing anything,
Speaker 5: you know, It's like it's just standing there. Like I
Speaker 5: can tell by the way that that is not Milania.
Speaker 5: This is some other thing.
Speaker 7: Who hasn't been mentioned yet. Is Avril Levine. Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: because that was a really popular one for a while.
Speaker 7: She was replaced by I think someone named Melissa. I
Speaker 7: like that one because there was like a whole backstory
Speaker 7: to the clone, or maybe it wasn't a clone. You know,
Speaker 7: this is what you're saying. There's like a lot of
Speaker 7: body double clone crossover and I think replaces. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: another one I'm thinking of two is and I again
Speaker 7: this is like clone body double I can't quite remember,
Speaker 7: but the one where Taylor Swift is the same person
Speaker 7: or was cloned from Anton Levey, the famous Satanists, either
Speaker 7: daughter or someone that ran the Church of Satan. There's
Speaker 7: like a picture side by side that everyone should go
Speaker 7: and see. And it's like this woman from like the
Speaker 7: Satanic panic era, like you know, she looks very witchy
Speaker 7: and then it shows like side by side and it
Speaker 7: is compelling.
Speaker 1: They do look yeah, I got it now wow actually yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll make a video and we'll show this. But
Speaker 1: yes please, oh wow, Okay, definitely some some shared DNA.
Speaker 4: Yeah to say that is kind of nuts.
Speaker 1: And the the eyebrows in the note all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm convinced I've seen enough.
Speaker 7: Well, if you throw some Satanism in there, things are
Speaker 7: just gonna really hop the fuck off.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well That's what I'm excited to learn
Speaker 1: a little bit about in this episode, is like, I've
Speaker 1: heard these theories my whole life. No one has ever
Speaker 1: been like and this is why they're a clone. H wow,
Speaker 1: So I can't wait to hear.
Speaker 4: Something funny you mentioned that?
Speaker 1: So yeah, why why don't we take this? And Devin's
Speaker 1: done some research into kind of the ins and outs
Speaker 1: of this whole world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the cloning industry, Yeah, why don't you?
Speaker 9: Why don't you pick us there?
Speaker 5: So celebrity cloning really, at least the conversation around it
Speaker 5: really hit its peak in twenty sixteen, but a few
Speaker 5: years before that, we had our first let's call him
Speaker 5: cloning whistleblower. All right, it's this guy named Donald Marshall.
Speaker 5: He's known on the dark web as the guy really
Speaker 5: bringing let's say, eyeballs and attention to this issue of
Speaker 5: cloning because he, in fact, is a clone himself.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, all right, a man on the inside.
Speaker 5: A man on the inside. So they're not happy that
Speaker 5: he's taught about this stuff. It's brave, as we'll find out.
Speaker 5: So in twenty eleven, Donald wrote a Facebook post that
Speaker 5: really sort of blew up any circles where he walks
Speaker 5: through some of the mechanics of the cloning world and
Speaker 5: what's happening. So let me read some of it, and
Speaker 5: then I want to play a bit of an interview
Speaker 5: that he did so in twenty eleven, he writes, this
Speaker 5: is no hoax, this is no joke. My name is
Speaker 5: Donald Marshall. I've been cloned by a large secretive cult
Speaker 5: known as the Freemasons and the Real Society and scientologists together.
Speaker 1: Oh they collabed, ok, and.
Speaker 4: This is called the Illuminati.
Speaker 7: Oh, I've never heard of it.
Speaker 5: They make replicated bodies of people to victimize in terrible ways.
Speaker 5: They clone children for men with underdeveloped penises, that have
Speaker 5: sex with whoa some very famous and politically powerful people,
Speaker 5: all getting together for a disgusting time. Most of the
Speaker 5: G twenty gathered there to discuss worldly matters and watch
Speaker 5: gruesome things done to innocent people for sport. I have
Speaker 5: seen this firsthand and will tell all as it must
Speaker 5: be stopped.
Speaker 2: The way year was this.
Speaker 4: This was in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, it's so funny with these with like the
Speaker 1: details of the conspiracy theory. Most of the G twenty,
Speaker 1: like some of them, were not invited.
Speaker 5: Not everyone and not everyone is showing up most of
Speaker 5: the digital and we're gonna get some more specific names.
Speaker 5: So that was twenty eleven. He starts to make the rounds.
Speaker 5: He starts appearing on a couple of podcasts. You know
Speaker 5: this is around you got to think about. Shortly after this,
Speaker 5: we're getting Pizzagate. We're getting a lot of these conversations
Speaker 5: around people and you know, in politics, especially being tied
Speaker 5: to pedophilia. So a lot of this comes up in
Speaker 5: Donald's story. So here's him on Conspiracy Podcast in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 10: It's Donald Marshall. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 8: Hello, Thanks, Why don't you tell us just a little
Speaker 8: bit of background about yourself for those who are unaware.
Speaker 11: First, I wanted to tell you about the cloning stuff. Okay,
Speaker 11: now human cloning. I have to tell you it's been
Speaker 11: done since at the end of World War Two. Okay,
Speaker 11: I'll tell you how they got it and the whole shebang,
Speaker 11: like thirty third degree freemason, Knowlans I'm probably going to
Speaker 11: die for this somewhere along the lines.
Speaker 4: Okay, keep this.
Speaker 11: Picture of this remembory request about everything. Couldn't remember anything.
Speaker 11: I'm still getting side effects from this about as memory
Speaker 11: repressed about the cloning stuff until I was thirty years old.
Speaker 11: They call it the awakened when they give you back
Speaker 11: the memories. Turns out they had me there since I
Speaker 11: was five years old, okay, and my family is there,
Speaker 11: my family members and everything, and they said they're not
Speaker 11: going to lie on a lot of detector tests about it.
Speaker 11: It's it's pretty big, like they were going to kill me,
Speaker 11: they said. The thing is the way that this cloning works. Okay,
Speaker 11: there's two different kinds of cloning, and it confuses people.
Speaker 11: Now there's replication cloning where it comes up as a baby, right,
Speaker 11: put the cells in, make the same person as a baby. Well,
Speaker 11: there's duplication cloning as well, where they grow you in
Speaker 11: a big thick tank fill full of water. This is
Speaker 11: another crazy aspect of it. Okay. The thing is with
Speaker 11: all the songs that I made at this place, and
Speaker 11: they were bringing me back every single night.
Speaker 5: Okay, So some context here He talks about basically the
Speaker 5: way you know a lot of people are tortured and
Speaker 5: at this place and taking advantage. Actually, the thing that
Speaker 5: kind of saved him was his music ability. So he
Speaker 5: would sing a lot and write songs and that he
Speaker 5: would entertain the people in the cloning facility, which is
Speaker 5: why he was spared from the worst of it.
Speaker 4: So that's some contacts going into this here.
Speaker 11: This is another crazy aspect of it. Okay. The thing
Speaker 11: is with all the songs that I made at this place,
Speaker 11: and they were bringing me back every single night and singing,
Speaker 11: sing a song, or we're going to torture you next night,
Speaker 11: sing a song. We're going to torture you. Sometimes I
Speaker 11: couldn't think of anything, and they would just like stab
Speaker 11: me and watch me bleed there. And now they're all
Speaker 11: watching like it's a bizarre face as a death thing,
Speaker 11: and different people want to know what it's like to
Speaker 11: stab someone, so they send them up to stab me
Speaker 11: while among drugs so I won't hit them or something.
Speaker 4: It's like that.
Speaker 11: It's pretty sick. And well, I have to tell you.
Speaker 11: Queen Elizabeth is there, of course, Stephen Harper, Canadian Prime Minister,
Speaker 11: Obama is there. Vladimirs the Pope.
Speaker 7: Is even there, all kinds.
Speaker 11: Of heads of different factions of different things. Ahead of
Speaker 11: the Mexican drug cartels there, Mafia in Italy is there, man,
Speaker 11: everybody's there. It's like the rich guy's crazy things. They
Speaker 11: were caught and you have to be real privileged to
Speaker 11: go there. Well, I don't want to go there, and
Speaker 11: I'm not privileged there. I'm pretty low on the totem
Speaker 11: pole there, actually probably the lowest. So anyway, they'll they'll
Speaker 11: threatened me never to talk about it, and along as
Speaker 11: they've been divulging this stuff on Facebook, they've been bringing
Speaker 11: me there and threatening me and stuff and then asking
Speaker 11: me not to mention them specifically what they've done there
Speaker 11: and stuff and panicking.
Speaker 1: Really okay, first thing I want to mention that I'm
Speaker 1: glad Donald brought up is kind of a baby clones
Speaker 1: versus the replication clones, because this was always talking because
Speaker 1: you know, I was looking into the history and there's
Speaker 1: you know, people talk about Paul McCartney being cloned. It's like,
Speaker 1: well that's great, but I mean, did they know when
Speaker 1: he was a baby in nineteen forty in Liverpool. We're
Speaker 1: going to need a second one of these lads. Let's
Speaker 1: get this one cooking so then when we're ready we
Speaker 1: can just you know, soft on that so that this
Speaker 1: is helpful that there's a way to you know, do
Speaker 1: a full body clone in a thick tank of water
Speaker 1: to match, you know, whenever you need it. It does
Speaker 1: help that was illuminated to understand their theories. It does
Speaker 1: because that was the one that that I was totally
Speaker 1: on board, but that was the one thing that always
Speaker 1: kind of got in the way of me accepting.
Speaker 4: These But now that you know that, yeah, you accept
Speaker 4: this checks out, I.
Speaker 7: Think this would be a kind of good moment to
Speaker 7: like orient ourselves in this conspiracy era really quick, because
Speaker 7: I think we know, you know, we talk about conspiracy
Speaker 7: theories all the time in the Trump era, but I
Speaker 7: was a conspiracy theorist during the late Bush early Obama era.
Speaker 7: And don't worry, it wasn't it didn't get to Harry
Speaker 7: or anything like that, but you know, I was My
Speaker 7: dad was like a prepper, kind of like an Illuminati guy,
Speaker 7: so I knew a lot about it. But it's just
Speaker 7: like the clones. It's related to the Reptilians. You guys
Speaker 7: remember that, right, Like those videos of Obama blinking sideways.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, those were simpler times.
Speaker 7: They were simpler times, and it was like all linked
Speaker 7: to the Illuminati, but it just like wasn't so overtly
Speaker 7: racist and so overtly like antisemitic as it would become
Speaker 7: or it was, but you had to like dig really
Speaker 7: deep until you got to that shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so Nita didn't feel as bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely remember all of the like jay Z's like
Speaker 1: Rockefella hands so yeah, oh yeah, triangle and like at
Speaker 1: a certain point that there were So there was the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory snow ball to the extent where he like
Speaker 1: had made a song about he like denied the claims
Speaker 1: in the song Conspiracy.
Speaker 4: Different scream in Illuminati. They can't believe his much scale.
Speaker 4: That's in the human body. He's six' to how to fit.
Speaker 7: In that only made people believe it.
Speaker 1: More, yeah it's that's that's what you would say if
Speaker 1: you wanted us to believe exactly WHAT i. Thought donald's
Speaker 1: clip there was interesting about how he's kind of divulging
Speaker 1: all this information secret, information and the most powerful people
Speaker 1: in the world are just kind of, like please don't say,
Speaker 1: this like instead of killing him according to his conspiracy
Speaker 1: it's like why would they be so?
Speaker 5: Allowing, yeah and looking into this he. Does his major
Speaker 5: contradiction in his you, know quote unquote reporting is that
Speaker 5: he says yet he's in the most powerful. People they
Speaker 5: do all these horrible things to, Everyone but somehow they're
Speaker 5: keeping him alive and letting him.
Speaker 4: Talk about this. Stuff maybe because he's a clone.
Speaker 5: Himself he said he was actually cloned from when babies are,
Speaker 5: circumcised and you know the tissue at the hospital that's.
Speaker 5: Discarded he, said he's a clone from that tissue. Himself
Speaker 5: so DON'T i don't know why he gets a pass
Speaker 5: despite being you, know pretty loud online about what's happening
Speaker 5: behind closed. Doors BUT i want to you, know we
Speaker 5: talked About Britney spears. Already donald says he actually has
Speaker 5: a connection To Britney, spears, okay and her. Clones So
Speaker 5: Britney spears right before she drops baby one more time
Speaker 5: in ninety, eight allegedly she got into a really bad
Speaker 5: car crash With Justin, timberlake and that is the moment
Speaker 5: in which she was. Cloned and Then donald's telling most
Speaker 5: of these celebrities who have, clones it's not just one.
Speaker 5: Clone you got to have a few, backups so there's
Speaker 5: five or six or you, know seven, Clones And donald, telling,
Speaker 5: like the reason Why britney has had so many ups
Speaker 5: and downs in her careers because these are different. Clones
Speaker 5: these are actually different people that you're. Seeing some are
Speaker 5: a little bit more manic than. Others but one of
Speaker 5: the clones in two thousand and nine came To donald and, say,
Speaker 5: HEY i need your help because remember he's musically, talented.
Speaker 1: And this is in the clone camp or Where.
Speaker 4: Yeah i'm assuming it's in a clone. Camp, okay we'll
Speaker 4: check in With.
Speaker 5: We've got some fact checking all this From donald and
Speaker 5: talks to. Her and in that, Year Britney spears releases
Speaker 5: a song called Break, dice which there's some clues in,
Speaker 5: which you, know there's if you listen to the, lyrics
Speaker 5: and some clues there about cloning that she sneaks in
Speaker 5: to try to let the world. Know and this is
Speaker 5: an interesting tidbit here the music. Video it's it's an animated.
Speaker 5: Video and in the, Video Britney spears goes to a
Speaker 5: clone lab where there's all these clones and blows it.
Speaker 5: Up oh, wow clones of her the, Clones, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: okay they're in the tanks That donald talks about filled
Speaker 5: with water.
Speaker 4: DEVELOPING i.
Speaker 7: See can you imagine how he felt when he saw that?
Speaker 4: Video Like i've been telling, everybody, look holy it's. Happening.
Speaker 1: Well conspiracy theorists love the idea that the masterminds are
Speaker 1: leaving behind clues for you to follow.
Speaker 4: Along, yeah there's a great stand up bit about.
Speaker 1: That oh, Yeah Nick, Mollen Nick.
Speaker 4: Mullen, yeah but.
Speaker 10: That was always so funny to me because it's, like,
Speaker 10: like what do you think?
Speaker 4: Happened?
Speaker 10: Right like the fucking c I a was, like, okay
Speaker 10: plans ready to, go ready to blow up The World Trade.
Speaker 10: Center there's only one step, left.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 2: Clues.
Speaker 10: Yep, yeah it's clue. Tome it's time to get the
Speaker 10: clues out. There we wouldn't have gotten away with.
Speaker 4: It SO i was.
Speaker 5: Curious you, know a lot of us is over ten
Speaker 5: years old now From, donald SO i was curious if
Speaker 5: he's still posting and talking about this stuff.
Speaker 4: Today he.
Speaker 5: Is His facebook is very active to the point where
Speaker 5: obviously we're recording this just a few days after finding
Speaker 5: out That Rob reiner was killed along with his, wife
Speaker 5: and you, know the leading suspect who are in the
Speaker 5: cops right now is their, son And donald posted just
Speaker 5: last night they went to the cloning center. Regularly it's
Speaker 5: possible their son regained his memory about cloning after age
Speaker 5: thirty spontaneously where they allowed him to remember and he
Speaker 5: got revenge for mistreatment. There so this is where we
Speaker 5: have this sort of, like you, know it's, funny we're
Speaker 5: having a good, time and then real people's lives, are you, know,
Speaker 5: yeah being, affected and he's sort of swooping in here
Speaker 5: and a sort of like take advantage of the, situation,
Speaker 5: yeah and claiming that actually they kind of deserved it because.
Speaker 4: Of what they did to. Them so this is where
Speaker 4: the conspiracy theories start to get a little achy for. Me,
Speaker 4: yeah not as, Fun.
Speaker 1: Chelsea i'm curious how this feel like this echoes a
Speaker 1: lot of kind of alien abduction sorts of. Theories i'm
Speaker 1: sure in your your work you've found tons of things like.
Speaker 1: This how does this kind of stock?
Speaker 4: Up?
Speaker 7: YEAH i mean, god it's, like there's so there's so
Speaker 7: many things popping into my.
Speaker 2: Head it's going.
Speaker 7: Along one of them would be the history of alien
Speaker 7: abductions and how people go to therapists to recover memories
Speaker 7: of their alien. Abduction, Right so there's this memory, thing
Speaker 7: which is also satanic panic stuff where it's like suddenly
Speaker 7: you recover this memory of being a child in a
Speaker 7: satanic cult that you would completely. Repress so it's like
Speaker 7: this like memory coming back suddenly is a big part
Speaker 7: of conspiracy. Theory and then like it makes me think
Speaker 7: of LIKE Mk ultra right where there's like this government
Speaker 7: body controlling the most famous and powerful people for you,
Speaker 7: know name your, reason, Right AND i, also you, KNOW
Speaker 7: i go back, to LIKE i, said The. Reptilians this
Speaker 7: like body swapping thing has been around a long time
Speaker 7: and continues to be. Around and THEN i can look
Speaker 7: at someone Like Tila. Tequila do you guys Remember Tyla tequila?
Speaker 3: Familiar?
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, YEAH i MEAN i loved her on A
Speaker 7: shot At. LOVE i really loved that show was like
Speaker 7: the bisexual, yes men and women buying for?
Speaker 4: Her, yes, yes, yes, yeah great show WHEN i was.
Speaker 7: Thirteen great thing to revisit. Everyone last, Season Tila tequila
Speaker 7: began her quest for.
Speaker 8: Love i'm a.
Speaker 6: Bisexual oh and after meeting sixteen hot lesbians and sixteen straight,
Speaker 6: guys she found but.
Speaker 7: What she went down The illuminati pipe like really. Hard
Speaker 7: AND i tracked that because of course it was fascinating to.
Speaker 7: Me and you, know she got into Mk. Ultra she
Speaker 7: said that she was Mk. Ultrad she said she was
Speaker 7: cloned at one, point which is you know WHY i
Speaker 7: think it's. Relevant but she did that classic like pipeline
Speaker 7: into literally becoming A. Nazi you guys know, this it's, interesting,
Speaker 7: yeah right, Right so she's kind of a great like
Speaker 7: case of how you can start with these kinds of silly.
Speaker 7: THINGS i, mean we know this, now we know the
Speaker 7: like algorithm pushes us toward, extremism but things were like
Speaker 7: we didn't have the same types of algorithms, then so
Speaker 7: it is more self, PROPELLED i, Think and you could
Speaker 7: just start with, like, yeah maybe all the powerful people
Speaker 7: are like, Reptiles like there are. Aliens they are inhuman
Speaker 7: looking to, Me so let's like start from, there and
Speaker 7: then eventually you're like in A nazi uniform taking a photo.
Speaker 7: Shoot it happens.
Speaker 4: Wild, yeah the reptilian.
Speaker 5: Thing it's coming up a lot with the clone, stuff
Speaker 5: looking into a lot of these people that they're claiming our.
Speaker 5: Clones there's you, know random videos where the person blinks
Speaker 5: in a certain way and they're, like, oh they're glitching.
Speaker 5: Out one of the people who comes up time and
Speaker 5: time again with this stuff is. Eminem you, know he's
Speaker 5: been famous for a long time, now part of the
Speaker 5: conspiracy is like people, say, oh his voice has actually
Speaker 5: changed over his, career like it doesn't sound. Early Some
Speaker 5: shady doesn't sound the same.
Speaker 4: Old yeah too. Weird, also just people's voices change over.
Speaker 4: Time it's.
Speaker 9: Older he's aging every.
Speaker 1: Day it sounds about twenty years old.
Speaker 4: Than he did years.
Speaker 5: Ago and then people will point to videos like, This
Speaker 5: so this is an interview between eminem.
Speaker 11: And have y'all shot a video together?
Speaker 12: Before, no we was in a movie, together and.
Speaker 4: Uh the video what was?
Speaker 12: It the dre Video i'm representing for the cases when
Speaker 12: you're on the beach running on that? Video what's that
Speaker 12: in that? Video, yeah you was running on the. Beach
Speaker 12: that was like your debut. ALBUM i was you was
Speaker 12: running on the. Beach you was running on the beach
Speaker 12: with no clothes. On you gotta show me that ship shady.
Speaker 12: Cut you was like, crazy real. Crazy you don't remember
Speaker 12: that cuse you was running on the beach cause in
Speaker 12: the video BUT i don't even, know there was a
Speaker 12: bunch of girls around and all.
Speaker 4: Of a sudden would fit to.
Speaker 3: You oh, yeah, okay, okay now remember.
Speaker 5: So people are pointing to this video as, oh obviously
Speaker 5: he doesn't remember because that was. Clone it wasn't him so,
Speaker 5: Incredible so you, know even small moments of people are being, like,
Speaker 5: OH i don't really remember that, thing people turn Into,
Speaker 5: okay here's more proof that this person.
Speaker 1: Him forgetting is so easy to believe, too has like you,
Speaker 1: know in the music, industry or like the rock, world
Speaker 1: you're kind of drunk all the, time or do all
Speaker 1: these drugs on these music video. Sets it's not hard
Speaker 1: to believe that he would forget.
Speaker 4: That probably not the first or last thing he's filmed
Speaker 4: on the beach. Either.
Speaker 1: Yeah next up we hear from someone who knows how
Speaker 1: cloning actually. Works my interview With bioscience is expert Professor Henry.
Speaker 4: Galley after the, break all, right we are.
Speaker 1: Back we're here With chelsea talking about, clones celebrity, clones
Speaker 1: and all the theories surrounding. THEM i want to find
Speaker 1: out does cloning actually happen and, how and then try
Speaker 1: to find out if humans could be cloned and why
Speaker 1: are why? Not SO i spoke to Doctor Henry.
Speaker 13: Greeley i'm a law professor At stanford WHERE i work on,
Speaker 13: ethical legal and social issues in the. Biosciences i'm the
Speaker 13: director Of Stanford center For law and The biosciences and
Speaker 13: a professor by courtesy of.
Speaker 1: Genetics so we all know About dolly the sheep in
Speaker 1: the late.
Speaker 14: Nineties, yes her name Is dolly seven months. Old she
Speaker 14: may not be the monster imagined in a science fiction,
Speaker 14: fantasy yet The Cuddy Finn dorset lamb may represent a
Speaker 14: major landmark in the history of genetic engineering on an
Speaker 14: ordinary farm In. Scotland scientists say a clone was created
Speaker 14: from a single cell taken from the utter of a.
Speaker 14: Sheep the embryo was then implanted in a, surrogate making
Speaker 14: an exact genetic copy of its so called. Mother scientists
Speaker 14: tail it as a triumph for research in, aging medicine and.
Speaker 1: Genetics So dolly was really important because before this people
Speaker 1: didn't really think you could clone. Mammals frogs and other
Speaker 1: animals had been cloned, before and like people had tried
Speaker 1: with mice and rats and it never worked and people
Speaker 1: weren't sure exactly, why but certainly something like a sheep
Speaker 1: has never happened. Before there was a you, know major
Speaker 1: reaction TO dolli not just excitement and like, wow but you,
Speaker 1: know ethical concerns and, like what does this mean for.
Speaker 1: Humanity the reaction To dolly was.
Speaker 2: Startling it was worldwide.
Speaker 13: Hysteria we went from one cloned lamb to armies of
Speaker 13: cloned warrior slaves in.
Speaker 2: HEADLINES i think part of.
Speaker 13: The hysteria was even though we should have known that
Speaker 13: this could, happen nobody'd been paying. Attention so the result
Speaker 13: of the hysteria was a bunch of laws around the
Speaker 13: world saying human cloning is. Illegal california actually passed one
Speaker 13: of the first of, those although it made a nice
Speaker 13: distinction that later became pretty important in THE us, controversially
Speaker 13: the distinction between reproductive cloning cloning a human to make another,
Speaker 13: baby and research cloning or therapeutic, cloning cloning a human
Speaker 13: in order to make an embryo where it could take
Speaker 13: some cells from that embryo to use to treat the
Speaker 13: person who you had, cloned because that, way if the
Speaker 13: cells have the SAME dna as the person you, cloned
Speaker 13: that person's immune system won't attack, them it will think
Speaker 13: accurately that it's the same. Person it kicked off a
Speaker 13: six to ten year fight about embryo research cloning, embryos
Speaker 13: and much of the cloning came down TO i, mean
Speaker 13: everybody agreed you shouldn't clone. Babies some thought it was just,
Speaker 13: wrong AND i just thought it's too. Dangerous but there
Speaker 13: was a disagreement about whether you should be able to clone.
Speaker 1: Embryos so that's kind of the immediate aftermath Of dolly
Speaker 1: is you, Know, okay what is this going to mean for?
Speaker 4: Us?
Speaker 1: Like are we just going to make a bunch of?
Speaker 1: Humans is this just how the world is going to
Speaker 1: be like overrun with. Clones we get into a little
Speaker 1: bit more of the ethical concerns of playing god in this,
Speaker 1: way but even, there you, know he touched on kind
Speaker 1: of the actual.
Speaker 2: Therapeutic uses of.
Speaker 1: Cloning, yeah so anyway we can get a little bit
Speaker 1: more into that and kind of the actual uses of
Speaker 1: quote unquote. Cloning but these laws didn't scare everyone. Off
Speaker 1: some people went for.
Speaker 13: It after dollars birth is, Announced it's front page headlines
Speaker 13: all over the, world lots of different of outrage and,
Speaker 13: legislation but there were also some there was a. Countercurrent
Speaker 13: there were people who Said i'm going to clone myself
Speaker 13: OR i want to make a. Clone one of, them
Speaker 13: particularly noteworthy was a physicist Named Richard.
Speaker 2: Seed.
Speaker 13: SEED i, mean sometimes fact is stranger than. FICTION a
Speaker 13: guy Named seed who wants to clone. Himself he've strongly
Speaker 13: Resembled Doc brown from The back to The future, franchise
Speaker 13: and he looked like a mad. Scientist and he went
Speaker 13: ON tv and his brother ran AN ivf, clinic so
Speaker 13: he was going to clone. Himself there were Two, obgyns
Speaker 13: one From kentucky and one FROM i Believe, greece who
Speaker 13: also announced that they were going to do human. Cloning
Speaker 13: AND i actually claimed to have gotten a pregnancy, started
Speaker 13: although no one actually knows whether.
Speaker 2: That was true or.
Speaker 13: Not but the most interesting would be, cloners who was
Speaker 13: a religious. CULT i THINK i can called them a.
Speaker 13: Cult it's still around called the Re alliance R A
Speaker 13: e L I a N. S there was A french
Speaker 13: race car driver who was visited by aliens in a space.
Speaker 4: Ship oh do you.
Speaker 15: Best tell us yourself what your experience was with aliens In?
Speaker 4: Fightful.
Speaker 15: YES i was a journalist in the center Of france
Speaker 15: in nineteen seventy three AND i was contacted by people
Speaker 15: coming from out of. Space and these people are very.
Speaker 15: Special they contact. Me they came in a volcano with
Speaker 15: what you the name you give is THE ufo but
Speaker 15: it was not exactly. Uffo and the man went out
Speaker 15: of these flying so so and he spoke to.
Speaker 13: Me who told him that they had seeded life On
Speaker 13: earth millions of years, before and they had seeded, humans
Speaker 13: and you, know they were our, parents our, gods and
Speaker 13: he should form a group that would acknowledge them and
Speaker 13: pass along their. Truths and by the, way his new
Speaker 13: name Was. Rayel he apparently was a charismatic race car,
Speaker 13: driver and as AS i think the case with many
Speaker 13: of these particularly unusual religious, sects he seems to have
Speaker 13: had a strong degree of sexual, magnetism because his sex
Speaker 13: seemed to be made up mainly of attractive young. Women,
Speaker 13: interesting but it was a flying saucer.
Speaker 2: Cult you.
Speaker 13: Know they believe that there were these aliens who had started,
Speaker 13: us and the aliens wanted things for us to. Do
Speaker 13: this had STARTED i think in the, SEVENTIES i mean
Speaker 13: years Before. Dolly but Once dolly comes, Out rayel, says,
Speaker 13: oh by the, way the aliens told me that it
Speaker 13: was our duty As raeliens to clone, humans because that's
Speaker 13: the next step in human.
Speaker 2: Evolutions so we're cloning.
Speaker 13: Humans and, here by the, way is my very attractive
Speaker 13: young female head Cloner glegitque de Bois, ange who was a,
Speaker 13: biochemist which has very little to do with the science behind.
Speaker 2: Cloning but they set up a cloning.
Speaker 13: Lab which Was brigitte In West, virginia and they.
Speaker 2: Said their goal was to clone.
Speaker 13: PEOPLE fda then got involved and, said, no you need
Speaker 13: our permission to do. That so they, said, well we
Speaker 13: don't want to ask your, permission and they moved their
Speaker 13: lab to The.
Speaker 1: Bahamas they got to, work and in late two thousand
Speaker 1: and Two brigitte how a press conference to make this.
Speaker 1: Announcement i'm, very very pleased to note that the first
Speaker 1: baby cool is.
Speaker 13: Born her name Was, eve but they weren't going to
Speaker 13: disclose any more information in order to protect her, privacy of.
Speaker 13: Course BUT i don't think anybody outside the realiens believes.
Speaker 2: It eve has never.
Speaker 13: Appeared there's never been any proof that she, exists so
Speaker 13: that she's a.
Speaker 9: Clone, Yeah SO i thought this was a pretty Interesting uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah they sound like almost like The Heaven's gate, cult
Speaker 1: where the aliens are giving them instructions that they need to,
Speaker 1: do and then at the end of those instructions they're
Speaker 1: supposed to commit suicide.
Speaker 7: And go away on the, spaceship.
Speaker 1: But the re aliens are still. Around it sounds like,
Speaker 1: Yeah AND i had heard about them that in some
Speaker 1: passing capacity before. THIS i didn't realize, though that they
Speaker 1: existed way before the. Clones and THEN i like, that you,
Speaker 1: know their leader was like read the news and was, like, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah this is this is sexually yeah and grab yeah
Speaker 1: it's pretty, smart you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah headlines.
Speaker 1: Exactly and there's more examples of people trying in different
Speaker 1: levels of kind of. Seriousness there's A South korean scientist
Speaker 1: who claim to have succeeded and like was really revered
Speaker 1: In korea and they made postage stamps with his face
Speaker 1: on it and, stuff and then he was debunked as a.
Speaker 1: Fraud but that person does does have a successful pet
Speaker 1: cloning business. Today so pet, cloning we, know does. Happen
Speaker 1: barbara STREISAND i Think Tom brady, Recently, Yes Tom brady
Speaker 1: came out.
Speaker 16: Recently Tom brady is. Adorable Pop juny is a social media,
Speaker 16: star but if she looks, familiar it's definitely not a.
Speaker 16: Coincidence the dog is actually a clone Of brady's previous
Speaker 16: piple Mix, lua who died in twenty twenty. Three THE
Speaker 16: nfl legend revealing his new dog's background this, week, writing
Speaker 16: in a few short, Months colossal gave my family a
Speaker 16: second chance with a clone of our beloved, Dog, brady
Speaker 16: an investor in the biotech Company Colossal.
Speaker 1: Biosciences, yeah and then, yeah and THEN i talked to
Speaker 1: Doctor greeley about all this stuff. Too but you see
Speaker 1: all these stories, about you, know cloning mammoths or dire.
Speaker 4: Wolves, yes.
Speaker 1: The issue and this kind of speaks to the ethics
Speaker 1: when especially when to talk about, humans is it's very,
Speaker 1: mysterious and there's a lot of loss when you're doing
Speaker 1: These so a lot of dogs are dying when they're
Speaker 1: cloning these. Pets so it's, like because there's kind of
Speaker 1: these source dogs that they're, using and it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of they're not they're unclear about the. Numbers but when
Speaker 1: you look into. It there's a really Good New yorker
Speaker 1: article That i'll link to as, well where it's like
Speaker 1: they're talking about, it and it's, like, yeah they're very
Speaker 1: vague about it because it's probably like thirty dogs dying
Speaker 1: to make.
Speaker 4: Your one clone.
Speaker 1: Lives it's pretty you, know pet cloning, businesses is it
Speaker 1: the same kind of cloning as As, DOLLY i think
Speaker 1: it's a pretty similar process where it's, basically, yeah you
Speaker 1: have the kind of these cell lines that you can
Speaker 1: keep a lot for, generations and then you kind of
Speaker 1: grab from that and then mix it with new.
Speaker 2: Ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah so, YEAH i, mean the reliens, fascinating and you,
Speaker 1: know it's. Interesting there's always going to be some people
Speaker 1: who whenever some big thing, happens is going to be,
Speaker 1: like all, right we're going to do, this but in a,
Speaker 1: bigger more out of a more important. Way so let's,
Speaker 1: see in twenty, thirteen someone was able to clone human, embryos,
Speaker 1: but as Doctor greeley explained to, me other developments like
Speaker 1: different stem cell research and fibroblasts for these therapeutic, uses
Speaker 1: that kind of took the pressure off the cloning. Question,
Speaker 1: so you, know the science world at large kind of
Speaker 1: focused on this this kind of research because it's not
Speaker 1: as clouded with, like, okay you're trying to make a
Speaker 1: whole different race of, people like, yeah you, know it's
Speaker 1: like it's, like, okay we're doing this purely for you,
Speaker 1: know these purposes of you, know more medicinal sorts of.
Speaker 1: Things embryonic cloning is essentially making a, twin, Right, Yeah hank, explained,
Speaker 1: like we are all clones essentially as far as the,
Speaker 1: Process so it's a matter of just doing it kind
Speaker 1: of out of, it yeah, exactly and then like identical
Speaker 1: twins are naturally. Clones, yeah because it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of the cell splitting at the right time and then
Speaker 1: it just too too human developing at the same. Time
Speaker 1: that's basically the process that these people have.
Speaker 4: Been trying to just, do you, know unofficially.
Speaker 1: Exactly, YEAH i, See so that makes it a lot more.
Speaker 1: Sense it's like cloning at the conception stage versus what
Speaker 1: a lot of these conspiracy theories, are which is that
Speaker 1: today you could clone me m and then LIKE i
Speaker 1: would grow at an accelerated rate in a tank or
Speaker 1: something and then come out like a two weeks. Later well,
Speaker 1: yeah cause, again and you Know i'd mentioned this, before but,
Speaker 1: YEAH i. ASKED i was, like, well the problem with,
Speaker 1: cloning if you were trying to solve the person would
Speaker 1: be you'd need to do it when they're. Born, backup
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i was, like, okay, Well paul McCartney or, Something,
Speaker 1: well there's some level of you, know musical talent or
Speaker 1: something that is probably. Genetic, yeah but a lot of
Speaker 1: it is probably circumstance and obviously being around the right,
Speaker 1: people so it'd be very, difficult OR i wouldn't put
Speaker 1: my money on being able to re Remake paul McCartney
Speaker 1: and hope that he's going to be a Successful it is,
Speaker 1: interesting Like William Shatner this Is So, random was like
Speaker 1: the host of a kind of an unsolved mysteries type
Speaker 1: show that's On netflix, now and they did an episode
Speaker 1: about twins and they interviewed these two twins were separated at,
Speaker 1: birth and the like similarities between their lives were just
Speaker 1: so insanely, deep like that they had that they bought
Speaker 1: the same make and model car the year of the,
Speaker 1: car that their wives had the same. Names like, now
Speaker 1: a lot of it probably is, coincidence but LIKE i
Speaker 1: wonder with The paul McCartney, example like maybe if they
Speaker 1: cloned him and he grew up In america, instead he
Speaker 1: would still be like a number one, artist but with
Speaker 1: An american style music or. SOMETHING i don't, mean it's you,
Speaker 1: know it's a great what.
Speaker 7: IF i SUPPOSE i feel like WHEN i was a,
Speaker 7: kid because When dolly, HAPPENED i would have been like
Speaker 7: seven eight years, old and in my mind it was
Speaker 7: definitely like they put the sheep in the machine and
Speaker 7: then that's what she came out of the. Machine, Right,
Speaker 7: yeah that was the cartoon. VERSION i feel like The
Speaker 7: simpsons did it a bunch of, times, like, oh for,
Speaker 7: sure Cloned bart and it was just like a million
Speaker 7: clones would pop out of the. Machine AND i THINK
Speaker 7: i thought that that was what cloning was for a
Speaker 7: very long. TIME i do not. Know and this just
Speaker 7: makes so much. Sense it's like so much less mysterious
Speaker 7: when you are talking about just the very basic science of.
Speaker 7: It it's still incredible and, amazing but it's, Like, OKAY
Speaker 7: i get that a lot more than some kind of
Speaker 7: special plasma machine that you, go, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like a THREE d printer, Essentially, yeah. Exactly AND i, asked,
Speaker 1: like why you, know why haven't you know aside from
Speaker 1: now obviously there's laws and all these, things but, like
Speaker 1: is there something about humans that makes it so difficult
Speaker 1: to clone? Us and he said kind of how Before
Speaker 1: dolly they were like maybe mammals can't be clone just too.
Speaker 1: Complicated for whatever, reason we can't find the right. Combo
Speaker 1: that seems to be also a lot of it with,
Speaker 1: humans where it's, like, one we don't want to necessarily
Speaker 1: go so, far so we're we're not going to push,
Speaker 1: it or we.
Speaker 4: Can't we can't.
Speaker 1: Legally, yeah and also it's a matter of the cost
Speaker 1: would be so, high the cost not being, money but just, like,
Speaker 1: yeah you might make a lot of really messed up
Speaker 1: people who won't survive or anything, else and that brings
Speaker 1: up a whole other host of.
Speaker 4: Questions, ACTUALLY i.
Speaker 7: Feel like people are really playing with fire because as
Speaker 7: a lot of times these clones turn out to be
Speaker 7: evil as.
Speaker 1: Far as the risk might not be worth. It, no
Speaker 1: let me let me play one more clip on kind
Speaker 1: of the ethical concerns from, him and then let's wrap
Speaker 1: up and kind of talk about why why we are
Speaker 1: so fascinated by.
Speaker 13: This so the ethical concerns around human cloning really fall
Speaker 13: into only two different. Buckets one is a more absolute
Speaker 13: something man was not intended to. Do we shouldn't mess
Speaker 13: with ourselves in this. Way this is Not god's. Will,
Speaker 13: interestingly this is one of those areas where the political
Speaker 13: spectrum is a. Circle so you've got conservatives who say
Speaker 13: it's Not god's.
Speaker 2: Will you've got ultra liberals who, say, well it's not.
Speaker 2: Natural it's not evolution's.
Speaker 13: Will it's Not darwin's, will which shows the misunderstanding of
Speaker 13: evolution In.
Speaker 2: Darwin but it's it's certainly not, natural at least not in,
Speaker 2: humans not in.
Speaker 13: Mammals add to that the fact that your manipula human
Speaker 13: embryos and you're going to end up killing a lot
Speaker 13: of human embryos in the research or with leftover, embryos
Speaker 13: and that is viewed by many people as murdering. Babies
Speaker 13: not by majority of the, country but a substantial chunk
Speaker 13: of the, country and several states think that destroying embryos
Speaker 13: is murdering. Babies so that's one set of. Concerns and
Speaker 13: those would, say, no it's just. Wrong it doesn't, matter
Speaker 13: there's no two ways about. It the other side focuses
Speaker 13: more on not is the process right or, wrong but
Speaker 13: what would the likely consequences? Be so what's wrong with
Speaker 13: cloning humans to make? Babies and there everyone still agrees
Speaker 13: it's too. Risky you, KNOW i care about dead, puppies
Speaker 13: BUT i care about dead babies a lot more THAN
Speaker 13: i care about dead. Puppies so we don't know how
Speaker 13: safe it would be with. Humans how would you ever
Speaker 13: know how safe it would be with, humans you'd have
Speaker 13: to try it in. Humans so safety is a, big big,
Speaker 13: question and so far everybody thinks it's a it's a deal.
Speaker 13: Killer one can imagine a research program that would give
Speaker 13: you enough confidence that you'd, say, okay you can try,
Speaker 13: this but no one seems to be working along those,
Speaker 13: lines in part because there seems to be no really
Speaker 13: great reason to clone. Humans and that's the second. ARGUMENT i,
Speaker 13: mean one argument is it's. Unsafe the other argument is why?
Speaker 1: Bother, yeah there you get a taste of kind of
Speaker 1: lots of the questions being around this kind of why
Speaker 1: overall it's been basically shut down as a. Thing, YEAH
Speaker 1: i ought to say is as far as we, know
Speaker 1: there have been no grown human clones to. Debunk you,
Speaker 1: know you guys can calm, Down. DEVIN i don't know
Speaker 1: if you're convinced, yet but you, Know i'll hook you
Speaker 1: up With hank and you guys can chat it.
Speaker 4: Out, yeah we'll.
Speaker 5: SEE i would be shocked if there were human, cloneses
Speaker 5: but they wouldn't tell us if there were no.
Speaker 1: Exactly of, Course stanford is, obviously you, know bought off
Speaker 1: by Big. Clone so there, hasn't to our, knowledge been
Speaker 1: a cloned human that has then grown. Up but it
Speaker 1: seems like the technology is. Possible it's a thing that
Speaker 1: could happen if there were not so many hurdles or.
Speaker 1: Obstacles not THAT i think those hurdles are obstacles shouldn't be,
Speaker 1: there but, like it seems like they could essentially do
Speaker 1: this if if they wanted, to they being like the
Speaker 1: world's leading. Scientists, YEAH i don't think it's something that's,
Speaker 1: impossible just like the same way they thought maybe the
Speaker 1: sheep couldn't be cloned and then.
Speaker 4: Was it's a matter of.
Speaker 1: A lot and a lot and a lot of. Trial but,
Speaker 1: yeah it seems like that same PROCESS i think in
Speaker 1: theory would work for. Humans so then for the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorists who believe this, stuff you know that that's an
Speaker 1: easy leap to. Make it's, Like, okay someone is cloning
Speaker 1: somewhere and.
Speaker 4: It's just a.
Speaker 1: Secret, originally at the beginning of this, EPISODE i thought
Speaker 1: it wasn't even possible to do it for, humans SO
Speaker 1: i could see kind of where the conspiracy theorists are coming.
Speaker 1: From of COURSE i don't agree or believe, that but but,
Speaker 1: yeah the technology, like you, know it kind of makes.
Speaker 1: Sense we're going to take one more quick, break and
Speaker 1: when we're, back we're going to discuss why we're so
Speaker 1: attracted to these clone. Theories doing all this and thinking
Speaker 1: about it and both the kind of moral red lines
Speaker 1: and otherwise you wonder kind of why these are such reoccurring.
Speaker 4: Trips we're talking.
Speaker 1: About much more recent history twenty sixteen as a kind of,
Speaker 1: peak but also obviously you go, back you, know fifty
Speaker 1: fifty years more and people are talking about this and
Speaker 1: it's kind of a recurring, thing AND i wonder why that.
Speaker 1: Is do you guys have any any theories on kind
Speaker 1: of what draws us to this?
Speaker 7: IDEA i would think that thing at least would be,
Speaker 7: like for, EXAMPLE i remember when people were Saying Kanye
Speaker 7: west was, cloned and that was in like twenty twenty,
Speaker 7: three and it does feel like this like cope kind
Speaker 7: of thing where it's, Like, okay he did a bunch
Speaker 7: of shit THAT i didn't think he would, do and
Speaker 7: so what's an easy. Explanation he's the evil clone of,
Speaker 7: himself you. Know and SO i think that there's this
Speaker 7: very easy way to whether it be like a doppelganger
Speaker 7: or it be even a, reptilian but like this body
Speaker 7: swap idea where you can just, say if SOMEONE i
Speaker 7: like is doing SOMETHING i don't, like or even if
Speaker 7: SOMEONE i don't like is doing something, good well that's
Speaker 7: actually still evil because they have these evil. Intentions so
Speaker 7: it's like this really easy way to like morph the
Speaker 7: person who is in your crosshairs for whatever reason into
Speaker 7: either being good or. Bad he's not what you.
Speaker 1: Want, YEAH i guess it's kind of just like being
Speaker 1: possessed by the devil or some dan or something, REALLY
Speaker 1: i mean in just a religious sense of like you're
Speaker 1: doing this wrong because you're being tempted by something, else
Speaker 1: and essentially that's what the clone is, doing or whoever
Speaker 1: is making the clone and swapping out these people or
Speaker 1: that sort of.
Speaker 4: Thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i would also say, that like many other
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories THAT i feel like so many of them
Speaker 1: are rooted in a just a massive kind of distrust
Speaker 1: for governments or, institutions and then it just becomes so
Speaker 1: easy for you to believe that some incredibly nefarious stuff
Speaker 1: is going on if you already don't trust those kind of.
Speaker 1: Organizations if that makes, Sense, yeah brings.
Speaker 5: SOME i would say, order like it's, like you, know
Speaker 5: people are, Complex like you, Know chelsea's talking about The kanye,
Speaker 5: EXAMPLE i saw the opposite of like now That kanye
Speaker 5: is going on as you, know Like.
Speaker 4: Jewish apology tour where he's like a.
Speaker 5: Little bit more, chill and now people are, saying, oh
Speaker 5: now this is actually a. Clone, yeah the real one
Speaker 5: when ye sit down and do this and go back
Speaker 5: when their.
Speaker 7: Work you can choose which one of those stories, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Everyone and it gives order to a thing that
Speaker 5: it's like kind of, confusing doesn't really make.
Speaker 4: Sense you don't have a lot of context for.
Speaker 5: Right these people aren't spending time With, kanye they aren't
Speaker 5: spending time with these. Politicians they don't understand why horrible
Speaker 5: things are happening in the, world and it's easy to be, like,
Speaker 5: oh it's. Clones you, know it's. Clones these people are,
Speaker 5: Evil this is all. Conspiracy it seems like there was
Speaker 5: no order to, it and it seems like like like
Speaker 5: the world is just so, unpredictable but behind the, scenes
Speaker 5: there's so much order to, it and like the world
Speaker 5: is predestined to be this way because these people are.
Speaker 4: Pulling the pup the shrinks behind you, know closed.
Speaker 7: DOORS i mean it really is just the perfect example
Speaker 7: of like every conspiracy, theory if things are not what they. Seem,
Speaker 7: yes it's just like a perfect one to one of
Speaker 7: the heart of conspiracy. Theory AND i think that's why
Speaker 7: it endoors.
Speaker 1: Too m. H, Yeah i'm sure this is Gonna, yeah
Speaker 1: it will, endure And i'm sure in thirty years people
Speaker 1: will be sitting around podcasting about you, know the next
Speaker 1: round of clones will be replaced, probably, so, yeah our
Speaker 1: clones we do a. Little if our podcast gets a
Speaker 1: little more, popular they're changing this. Out, yep Time kaleidoscope fires,
Speaker 1: us but they've been growing clones the whole.
Speaker 7: Time would we know we were the? Clones that's a great.
Speaker 5: Question we have to give like a code word or
Speaker 5: signal that if you ask us this and we don't
Speaker 5: respond in the right, way that's.
Speaker 4: How you know it's the.
Speaker 7: Clone it's that thing Where, yeah but person's like pointing
Speaker 7: the gun or the laser and being, like who is,
Speaker 7: it which? One this one or this? One shoot say
Speaker 7: the right, thing say the secret.
Speaker 1: Thing because in modern in modern day cloning, capabilities the
Speaker 1: clone would not have the memories of the Original no right.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah they have to study.
Speaker 1: Up, yeah they're going to be listening to all these. Podcasts,
Speaker 1: yeah like all, right this is a stance on.
Speaker 7: This, yeah just like eminem.
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