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Speaker 1: I'm Manning, I'm Noah, and this is no such thing.

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Speaker 1: The show where we settle hard on arguments and yours

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Speaker 1: by actually doing the research.

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Speaker 2: This week, are we all clones?

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Speaker 3: No, there's no no such thing, no such thing. Touch

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Speaker 3: thank touch thang touch bang.

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Speaker 1: All right, what's up thingers? This week We've got a

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Speaker 1: special episode. We teamed up with Chelsea bober Smith to

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Speaker 1: talk about the popularity of celebrity clone conspiracies. Chelsea's show,

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Speaker 1: American Hysteria tackles all sorts of wild subjects, hoaxes, moral panics,

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Speaker 1: and just odd misunderstandings. Today we'll hear about a clone

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Speaker 1: whistle blower and talk to a bioscience is expert to

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Speaker 1: find out just how feasible human cloning actually is. All Right,

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Speaker 1: many to start, want to run us through a few

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Speaker 1: clone theories you've come across yourself? Yeah, sure, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean essentially pretty much every celebrity when they like

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Speaker 1: about them being a clone. So all of the kind

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Speaker 1: of classic ones you've got, Britney Spears, clone conspiracies, you've

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Speaker 1: got Jennifer Lopez, jay Z one of my favorites, Gucci

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Speaker 1: Mane the rapper. He went to jail. When he was released,

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Speaker 1: he obviously was in much better shape, a lot less

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Speaker 1: they cloned him while he was in there, and then

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Speaker 1: they've got this like new, better looking Gucci man. So

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Speaker 5: Part of it, too, is you know, he came out

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Speaker 5: he had this new outlook on life. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's like the classic like I'm a bit more reform now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Not yeah, he can't be, which, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: like a very common thing to happen when you're released

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Speaker 1: life to be way a little bit less, especially for

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Speaker 4: I kind of it was entiny to me. I kind

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Speaker 1: Him in front now. The I think one of the

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Speaker 1: more recent famous ones was Jamie Fox. He got sick,

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Speaker 1: I think, and lost a bunch of weight, and I

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Speaker 6: The clone shit threw me. Yes, when they said I

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Speaker 6: was a clone that made me flip in the hospital.

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Speaker 6: That's it, these motherfuckers trying to clone me. I didn't

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Speaker 6: have a stroke, So I'm sitting in my I'm sitting

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Speaker 6: I saw me walk into my room.

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Speaker 4: But I'm white.

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Speaker 5: Well, especially because we didn't see him for a while. Yes,

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Speaker 5: And that's always I feel like a key part of

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Speaker 5: this cloning stuff that comes up over and over again.

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Speaker 5: It's like if you don't see a public person in

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Speaker 1: Yes, makes a very long process according to the conspiracies.

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Speaker 5: And then you didn't mention one of my favorite new

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Speaker 5: lot of these are kind of a little bit more

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Speaker 5: I've heard normal people talking about is the Milania Yeah clone.

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Speaker 4: Have you have you heard about the Chelsea?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've definitely heard about this one. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Vibe about Who am I to judge? Yeah, I definitely

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not compete conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's clones, but sometimes it's body doubles. So

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Speaker 8: Speculation that Malania sometimes sends a body double to make

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Speaker 7: or was cloned from Anton Levey, the famous Satanists, either

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Speaker 7: Well, if you throw some Satanism in there, things are

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well That's what I'm excited to learn

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Speaker 1: So yeah, why why don't we take this? And Devin's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the cloning industry, Yeah, why don't you?

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Speaker 5: So celebrity cloning really, at least the conversation around it

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Speaker 5: years before that, we had our first let's call him

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Speaker 5: cloning whistleblower. All right, it's this guy named Donald Marshall.

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Speaker 5: He's known on the dark web as the guy really

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Speaker 5: bringing let's say, eyeballs and attention to this issue of

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Speaker 7: Oh wow, all right, a man on the inside.

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Speaker 5: A man on the inside. So they're not happy that

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Speaker 5: So in twenty eleven, Donald wrote a Facebook post that

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Speaker 5: what's happening. So let me read some of it, and

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Speaker 5: that he did so in twenty eleven, he writes, this

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Speaker 5: is no hoax, this is no joke. My name is

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Speaker 5: Donald Marshall. I've been cloned by a large secretive cult

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Speaker 5: known as the Freemasons and the Real Society and scientologists together.

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Speaker 1: Oh they collabed, ok, and.

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Speaker 4: This is called the Illuminati.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 5: They make replicated bodies of people to victimize in terrible ways.

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Speaker 5: They clone children for men with underdeveloped penises, that have

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Speaker 5: gruesome things done to innocent people for sport. I have

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Speaker 5: seen this firsthand and will tell all as it must

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Speaker 2: The way year was this.

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Speaker 4: This was in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 5: So that was twenty eleven. He starts to make the rounds.

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Speaker 5: He starts appearing on a couple of podcasts. You know

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Speaker 5: this is around you got to think about. Shortly after this,

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Speaker 5: we're getting Pizzagate. We're getting a lot of these conversations

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Speaker 5: Donald's story. So here's him on Conspiracy Podcast in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 10: It's Donald Marshall. Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 8: Hello, Thanks, Why don't you tell us just a little

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Speaker 11: First, I wanted to tell you about the cloning stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 11: now human cloning. I have to tell you it's been

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Speaker 11: done since at the end of World War Two. Okay,

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you how they got it and the whole shebang,

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Speaker 11: like thirty third degree freemason, Knowlans I'm probably going to

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Speaker 4: Okay, keep this.

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Speaker 11: Picture of this remembory request about everything. Couldn't remember anything.

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Speaker 11: I'm still getting side effects from this about as memory

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Speaker 11: repressed about the cloning stuff until I was thirty years old.

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Speaker 11: They call it the awakened when they give you back

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Speaker 11: It's it's pretty big, like they were going to kill me,

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Speaker 11: they said. The thing is the way that this cloning works. Okay,

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Speaker 11: there's two different kinds of cloning, and it confuses people.

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Speaker 11: Now there's replication cloning where it comes up as a baby, right,

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Speaker 11: put the cells in, make the same person as a baby. Well,

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Speaker 11: there's duplication cloning as well, where they grow you in

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Speaker 11: another crazy aspect of it. Okay. The thing is with

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Speaker 11: they were bringing me back every single night.

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Speaker 5: way you know a lot of people are tortured and

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Speaker 4: So that's some contacts going into this here.

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Speaker 11: This is another crazy aspect of it. Okay. The thing

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Speaker 11: and they were bringing me back every single night and singing,

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Speaker 11: couldn't think of anything, and they would just like stab

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Speaker 1: Really okay, first thing I want to mention that I'm

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Speaker 4: These But now that you know that, yeah, you accept

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Speaker 7: Think this would be a kind of good moment to

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Speaker 7: And don't worry, it wasn't it didn't get to Harry

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Speaker 7: They were simpler times, and it was like all linked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so Nita didn't feel as bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Different scream in Illuminati. They can't believe his much scale.

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Speaker 7: In that only made people believe it.

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Speaker 1: More, yeah it's that's that's what you would say if

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Speaker 5: Allowing, yeah and looking into this he. Does his major

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Speaker 5: contradiction in his you, know quote unquote reporting is that

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Speaker 5: he says yet he's in the most powerful. People they

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Speaker 5: do all these horrible things to, Everyone but somehow they're

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Speaker 4: Talk about this. Stuff maybe because he's a clone.

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Speaker 5: Himself he said he was actually cloned from when babies are,

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Speaker 5: Discarded he, said he's a clone from that tissue. Himself

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Speaker 5: so DON'T i don't know why he gets a pass

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Speaker 5: despite being you, know pretty loud online about what's happening

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Speaker 5: behind closed. Doors BUT i want to you, know we

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Speaker 5: talked About Britney spears. Already donald says he actually has

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Speaker 5: Britney spears right before she drops baby one more time

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Speaker 5: in ninety, eight allegedly she got into a really bad

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Speaker 5: car crash With Justin, timberlake and that is the moment

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Speaker 5: in which she was. Cloned and Then donald's telling most

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Speaker 5: of these celebrities who have, clones it's not just one.

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Speaker 5: Clone you got to have a few, backups so there's

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Speaker 5: five or six or you, know seven, Clones And donald, telling,

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Speaker 5: like the reason Why britney has had so many ups

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Speaker 5: and downs in her careers because these are different. Clones

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Speaker 5: these are actually different people that you're. Seeing some are

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Speaker 5: the clones in two thousand and nine came To donald and, say,

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Speaker 5: HEY i need your help because remember he's musically, talented.

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Speaker 1: And this is in the clone camp or Where.

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Speaker 4: Yeah i'm assuming it's in a clone. Camp, okay we'll

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Speaker 5: We've got some fact checking all this From donald and

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Speaker 5: talks to. Her and in that, Year Britney spears releases

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Speaker 5: which you, know there's if you listen to the, lyrics

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Speaker 5: Up oh, wow clones of her the, Clones, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: okay they're in the tanks That donald talks about filled

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Speaker 4: DEVELOPING i.

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Speaker 7: See can you imagine how he felt when he saw that?

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Speaker 4: Video Like i've been telling, everybody, look holy it's. Happening.

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Speaker 1: Well conspiracy theorists love the idea that the masterminds are

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Speaker 4: Along, yeah there's a great stand up bit about.

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Speaker 1: That oh, Yeah Nick, Mollen Nick.

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Speaker 10: That was always so funny to me because it's, like,

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Speaker 10: like what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Happened?

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Speaker 10: Right like the fucking c I a was, like, okay

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Speaker 10: plans ready to, go ready to blow up The World Trade.

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Speaker 10: Center there's only one step, left.

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Speaker 1: The.

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Speaker 10: Yep, yeah it's clue. Tome it's time to get the

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Speaker 10: clues out. There we wouldn't have gotten away with.

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Speaker 4: It SO i was.

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Speaker 5: Curious you, know a lot of us is over ten

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Speaker 5: years old now From, donald SO i was curious if

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Speaker 5: he's still posting and talking about this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Today he.

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Speaker 5: obviously we're recording this just a few days after finding

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Speaker 5: out That Rob reiner was killed along with his, wife

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Speaker 5: and you, know the leading suspect who are in the

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Speaker 5: last night they went to the cloning center. Regularly it's

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Speaker 5: possible their son regained his memory about cloning after age

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Speaker 5: yeah being, affected and he's sort of swooping in here

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Speaker 4: Of what they did to. Them so this is where

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Speaker 1: Chelsea i'm curious how this feel like this echoes a

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Speaker 1: lot of kind of alien abduction sorts of. Theories i'm

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Speaker 1: This how does this kind of stock?

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Speaker 4: Up?

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Speaker 7: YEAH i mean, god it's, like there's so there's so

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Speaker 7: many things popping into my.

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Speaker 7: Along one of them would be the history of alien

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Speaker 7: abductions and how people go to therapists to recover memories

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Speaker 7: of their alien. Abduction, Right so there's this memory, thing

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Speaker 7: which is also satanic panic stuff where it's like suddenly

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Speaker 7: this like memory coming back suddenly is a big part

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Speaker 7: of conspiracy. Theory and then like it makes me think

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Speaker 7: of LIKE Mk ultra right where there's like this government

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Speaker 7: know name your, reason, Right AND i, also you, KNOW

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Speaker 7: i go back, to LIKE i, said The. Reptilians this

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Speaker 7: like body swapping thing has been around a long time

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Speaker 7: and continues to be. Around and THEN i can look

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Speaker 7: at someone Like Tila. Tequila do you guys Remember Tyla tequila?

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Speaker 3: Familiar?

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, YEAH i MEAN i loved her on A

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Speaker 7: the bisexual, yes men and women buying for?

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Speaker 4: Her, yes, yes, yes, yeah great show WHEN i was.

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Speaker 7: Thirteen great thing to revisit. Everyone last, Season Tila tequila

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Speaker 6: Bisexual oh and after meeting sixteen hot lesbians and sixteen straight,

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Speaker 7: What she went down The illuminati pipe like really. Hard

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Speaker 7: AND i tracked that because of course it was fascinating to.

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Speaker 7: Me and you, know she got into Mk. Ultra she

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Speaker 7: said that she was Mk. Ultrad she said she was

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Speaker 7: cloned at one, point which is you know WHY i

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Speaker 7: think it's. Relevant but she did that classic like pipeline

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Speaker 7: like algorithm pushes us toward, extremism but things were like

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Speaker 7: then eventually you're like in A nazi uniform taking a photo.

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Speaker 4: Wild, yeah the reptilian.

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Speaker 5: Thing it's coming up a lot with the clone, stuff

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Speaker 5: Clones there's you, know random videos where the person blinks

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Speaker 5: been famous for a long time, now part of the

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Speaker 5: conspiracy is like people, say, oh his voice has actually

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Speaker 5: Ago and then people will point to videos like, This

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Speaker 5: so this is an interview between eminem.

436
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 11: And have y'all shot a video together?

437
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 12: Before, no we was in a movie, together and.

438
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 4: Uh the video what was?

439
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 12: It the dre Video i'm representing for the cases when

440
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 12: you're on the beach running on that? Video what's that

441
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 12: in that? Video, yeah you was running on the. Beach

442
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 12: that was like your debut. ALBUM i was you was

443
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 12: running on the. Beach you was running on the beach

444
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 12: with no clothes. On you gotta show me that ship shady.

445
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 12: Cut you was like, crazy real. Crazy you don't remember

446
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 12: that cuse you was running on the beach cause in

447
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 12: the video BUT i don't even, know there was a

448
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 12: bunch of girls around and all.

449
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: Of a sudden would fit to.

450
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: You oh, yeah, okay, okay now remember.

451
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 5: So people are pointing to this video as, oh obviously

452
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 5: he doesn't remember because that was. Clone it wasn't him so,

453
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 5: Incredible so you, know even small moments of people are being, like,

454
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 5: OH i don't really remember that, thing people turn Into,

455
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 5: okay here's more proof that this person.

456
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: Him forgetting is so easy to believe, too has like you,

457
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: know in the music, industry or like the rock, world

458
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: you're kind of drunk all the, time or do all

459
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: these drugs on these music video. Sets it's not hard

460
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: to believe that he would forget.

461
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 4: That probably not the first or last thing he's filmed

462
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: on the beach. Either.

463
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah next up we hear from someone who knows how

464
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: cloning actually. Works my interview With bioscience is expert Professor Henry.

465
00:25:51,240 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: Galley after the, break all, right we are.

466
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: Back we're here With chelsea talking about, clones celebrity, clones

467
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: and all the theories surrounding. THEM i want to find

468
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: out does cloning actually happen and, how and then try

469
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: to find out if humans could be cloned and why

470
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: are why? Not SO i spoke to Doctor Henry.

471
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 13: Greeley i'm a law professor At stanford WHERE i work on,

472
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 13: ethical legal and social issues in the. Biosciences i'm the

473
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 13: director Of Stanford center For law and The biosciences and

474
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 13: a professor by courtesy of.

475
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Genetics so we all know About dolly the sheep in

476
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: the late.

477
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 14: Nineties, yes her name Is dolly seven months. Old she

478
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 14: may not be the monster imagined in a science fiction,

479
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 14: fantasy yet The Cuddy Finn dorset lamb may represent a

480
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 14: major landmark in the history of genetic engineering on an

481
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 14: ordinary farm In. Scotland scientists say a clone was created

482
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 14: from a single cell taken from the utter of a.

483
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 14: Sheep the embryo was then implanted in a, surrogate making

484
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 14: an exact genetic copy of its so called. Mother scientists

485
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 14: tail it as a triumph for research in, aging medicine and.

486
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: Genetics So dolly was really important because before this people

487
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't really think you could clone. Mammals frogs and other

488
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: animals had been cloned, before and like people had tried

489
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: with mice and rats and it never worked and people

490
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: weren't sure exactly, why but certainly something like a sheep

491
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: has never happened. Before there was a you, know major

492
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: reaction TO dolli not just excitement and like, wow but you,

493
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: know ethical concerns and, like what does this mean for.

494
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: Humanity the reaction To dolly was.

495
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: Startling it was worldwide.

496
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 13: Hysteria we went from one cloned lamb to armies of

497
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 13: cloned warrior slaves in.

498
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: HEADLINES i think part of.

499
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 13: The hysteria was even though we should have known that

500
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 13: this could, happen nobody'd been paying. Attention so the result

501
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 13: of the hysteria was a bunch of laws around the

502
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 13: world saying human cloning is. Illegal california actually passed one

503
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 13: of the first of, those although it made a nice

504
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 13: distinction that later became pretty important in THE us, controversially

505
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 13: the distinction between reproductive cloning cloning a human to make another,

506
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 13: baby and research cloning or therapeutic, cloning cloning a human

507
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 13: in order to make an embryo where it could take

508
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 13: some cells from that embryo to use to treat the

509
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 13: person who you had, cloned because that, way if the

510
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 13: cells have the SAME dna as the person you, cloned

511
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 13: that person's immune system won't attack, them it will think

512
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 13: accurately that it's the same. Person it kicked off a

513
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 13: six to ten year fight about embryo research cloning, embryos

514
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 13: and much of the cloning came down TO i, mean

515
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 13: everybody agreed you shouldn't clone. Babies some thought it was just,

516
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 13: wrong AND i just thought it's too. Dangerous but there

517
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 13: was a disagreement about whether you should be able to clone.

518
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Embryos so that's kind of the immediate aftermath Of dolly

519
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: is you, Know, okay what is this going to mean for?

520
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: Us?

521
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: Like are we just going to make a bunch of?

522
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: Humans is this just how the world is going to

523
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: be like overrun with. Clones we get into a little

524
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: bit more of the ethical concerns of playing god in this,

525
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: way but even, there you, know he touched on kind

526
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: of the actual.

527
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Therapeutic uses of.

528
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: Cloning, yeah so anyway we can get a little bit

529
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: more into that and kind of the actual uses of

530
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote. Cloning but these laws didn't scare everyone. Off

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00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: some people went for.

532
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 13: It after dollars birth is, Announced it's front page headlines

533
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 13: all over the, world lots of different of outrage and,

534
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 13: legislation but there were also some there was a. Countercurrent

535
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 13: there were people who Said i'm going to clone myself

536
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 13: OR i want to make a. Clone one of, them

537
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 13: particularly noteworthy was a physicist Named Richard.

538
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 2: Seed.

539
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 13: SEED i, mean sometimes fact is stranger than. FICTION a

540
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 13: guy Named seed who wants to clone. Himself he've strongly

541
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 13: Resembled Doc brown from The back to The future, franchise

542
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 13: and he looked like a mad. Scientist and he went

543
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 13: ON tv and his brother ran AN ivf, clinic so

544
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 13: he was going to clone. Himself there were Two, obgyns

545
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 13: one From kentucky and one FROM i Believe, greece who

546
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 13: also announced that they were going to do human. Cloning

547
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 13: AND i actually claimed to have gotten a pregnancy, started

548
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 13: although no one actually knows whether.

549
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: That was true or.

550
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 13: Not but the most interesting would be, cloners who was

551
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 13: a religious. CULT i THINK i can called them a.

552
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 13: Cult it's still around called the Re alliance R A

553
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 13: e L I a N. S there was A french

554
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 13: race car driver who was visited by aliens in a space.

555
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: Ship oh do you.

556
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 15: Best tell us yourself what your experience was with aliens In?

557
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: Fightful.

558
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 15: YES i was a journalist in the center Of france

559
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 15: in nineteen seventy three AND i was contacted by people

560
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 15: coming from out of. Space and these people are very.

561
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 15: Special they contact. Me they came in a volcano with

562
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 15: what you the name you give is THE ufo but

563
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 15: it was not exactly. Uffo and the man went out

564
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 15: of these flying so so and he spoke to.

565
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 13: Me who told him that they had seeded life On

566
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 13: earth millions of years, before and they had seeded, humans

567
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 13: and you, know they were our, parents our, gods and

568
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 13: he should form a group that would acknowledge them and

569
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 13: pass along their. Truths and by the, way his new

570
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 13: name Was. Rayel he apparently was a charismatic race car,

571
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 13: driver and as AS i think the case with many

572
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 13: of these particularly unusual religious, sects he seems to have

573
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 13: had a strong degree of sexual, magnetism because his sex

574
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 13: seemed to be made up mainly of attractive young. Women,

575
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 13: interesting but it was a flying saucer.

576
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: Cult you.

577
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 13: Know they believe that there were these aliens who had started,

578
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 13: us and the aliens wanted things for us to. Do

579
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 13: this had STARTED i think in the, SEVENTIES i mean

580
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 13: years Before. Dolly but Once dolly comes, Out rayel, says,

581
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 13: oh by the, way the aliens told me that it

582
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 13: was our duty As raeliens to clone, humans because that's

583
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 13: the next step in human.

584
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: Evolutions so we're cloning.

585
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 13: Humans and, here by the, way is my very attractive

586
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 13: young female head Cloner glegitque de Bois, ange who was a,

587
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 13: biochemist which has very little to do with the science behind.

588
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: Cloning but they set up a cloning.

589
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 13: Lab which Was brigitte In West, virginia and they.

590
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: Said their goal was to clone.

591
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 13: PEOPLE fda then got involved and, said, no you need

592
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 13: our permission to do. That so they, said, well we

593
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 13: don't want to ask your, permission and they moved their

594
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 13: lab to The.

595
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: Bahamas they got to, work and in late two thousand

596
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: and Two brigitte how a press conference to make this.

597
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Announcement i'm, very very pleased to note that the first

598
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: baby cool is.

599
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 13: Born her name Was, eve but they weren't going to

600
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 13: disclose any more information in order to protect her, privacy of.

601
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 13: Course BUT i don't think anybody outside the realiens believes.

602
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: It eve has never.

603
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 13: Appeared there's never been any proof that she, exists so

604
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 13: that she's a.

605
00:33:53,080 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 9: Clone, Yeah SO i thought this was a pretty Interesting uh.

606
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah they sound like almost like The Heaven's gate, cult

607
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: where the aliens are giving them instructions that they need to,

608
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: do and then at the end of those instructions they're

609
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: supposed to commit suicide.

610
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 7: And go away on the, spaceship.

611
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: But the re aliens are still. Around it sounds like,

612
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah AND i had heard about them that in some

613
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: passing capacity before. THIS i didn't realize, though that they

614
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: existed way before the. Clones and THEN i like, that you,

615
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: know their leader was like read the news and was, like, oh,

616
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: yeah this is this is sexually yeah and grab yeah

617
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty, smart you.

618
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: Know, yeah headlines.

619
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: Exactly and there's more examples of people trying in different

620
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: levels of kind of. Seriousness there's A South korean scientist

621
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: who claim to have succeeded and like was really revered

622
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: In korea and they made postage stamps with his face

623
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: on it and, stuff and then he was debunked as a.

624
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: Fraud but that person does does have a successful pet

625
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: cloning business. Today so pet, cloning we, know does. Happen

626
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: barbara STREISAND i Think Tom brady, Recently, Yes Tom brady

627
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: came out.

628
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 16: Recently Tom brady is. Adorable Pop juny is a social media,

629
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 16: star but if she looks, familiar it's definitely not a.

630
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 16: Coincidence the dog is actually a clone Of brady's previous

631
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 16: piple Mix, lua who died in twenty twenty. Three THE

632
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 16: nfl legend revealing his new dog's background this, week, writing

633
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 16: in a few short, Months colossal gave my family a

634
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 16: second chance with a clone of our beloved, Dog, brady

635
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 16: an investor in the biotech Company Colossal.

636
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: Biosciences, yeah and then, yeah and THEN i talked to

637
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: Doctor greeley about all this stuff. Too but you see

638
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: all these stories, about you, know cloning mammoths or dire.

639
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 4: Wolves, yes.

640
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: The issue and this kind of speaks to the ethics

641
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: when especially when to talk about, humans is it's very,

642
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: mysterious and there's a lot of loss when you're doing

643
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: These so a lot of dogs are dying when they're

644
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: cloning these. Pets so it's, like because there's kind of

645
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: these source dogs that they're, using and it's it's kind

646
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: of they're not they're unclear about the. Numbers but when

647
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: you look into. It there's a really Good New yorker

648
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: article That i'll link to as, well where it's like

649
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: they're talking about, it and it's, like, yeah they're very

650
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: vague about it because it's probably like thirty dogs dying

651
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: to make.

652
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 4: Your one clone.

653
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: Lives it's pretty you, know pet cloning, businesses is it

654
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: the same kind of cloning as As, DOLLY i think

655
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: it's a pretty similar process where it's, basically, yeah you

656
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: have the kind of these cell lines that you can

657
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: keep a lot for, generations and then you kind of

658
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: grab from that and then mix it with new.

659
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: Ones.

660
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah so, YEAH i, mean the reliens, fascinating and you,

661
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: know it's. Interesting there's always going to be some people

662
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: who whenever some big thing, happens is going to be,

663
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: like all, right we're going to do, this but in a,

664
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: bigger more out of a more important. Way so let's,

665
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: see in twenty, thirteen someone was able to clone human, embryos,

666
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: but as Doctor greeley explained to, me other developments like

667
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: different stem cell research and fibroblasts for these therapeutic, uses

668
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: that kind of took the pressure off the cloning. Question,

669
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: so you, know the science world at large kind of

670
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: focused on this this kind of research because it's not

671
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: as clouded with, like, okay you're trying to make a

672
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: whole different race of, people like, yeah you, know it's

673
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: like it's, like, okay we're doing this purely for you,

674
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: know these purposes of you, know more medicinal sorts of.

675
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Things embryonic cloning is essentially making a, twin, Right, Yeah hank, explained,

676
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: like we are all clones essentially as far as the,

677
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Process so it's a matter of just doing it kind

678
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: of out of, it yeah, exactly and then like identical

679
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: twins are naturally. Clones, yeah because it's just a matter

680
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: of the cell splitting at the right time and then

681
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: it just too too human developing at the same. Time

682
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: that's basically the process that these people have.

683
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 4: Been trying to just, do you, know unofficially.

684
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: Exactly, YEAH i, See so that makes it a lot more.

685
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Sense it's like cloning at the conception stage versus what

686
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: a lot of these conspiracy theories, are which is that

687
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: today you could clone me m and then LIKE i

688
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: would grow at an accelerated rate in a tank or

689
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: something and then come out like a two weeks. Later well,

690
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: yeah cause, again and you Know i'd mentioned this, before but,

691
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: YEAH i. ASKED i was, like, well the problem with,

692
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: cloning if you were trying to solve the person would

693
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: be you'd need to do it when they're. Born, backup

694
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i was, like, okay, Well paul McCartney or, Something,

695
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: well there's some level of you, know musical talent or

696
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: something that is probably. Genetic, yeah but a lot of

697
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: it is probably circumstance and obviously being around the right,

698
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: people so it'd be very, difficult OR i wouldn't put

699
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: my money on being able to re Remake paul McCartney

700
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: and hope that he's going to be a Successful it is,

701
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: interesting Like William Shatner this Is So, random was like

702
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: the host of a kind of an unsolved mysteries type

703
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: show that's On netflix, now and they did an episode

704
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: about twins and they interviewed these two twins were separated at,

705
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: birth and the like similarities between their lives were just

706
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: so insanely, deep like that they had that they bought

707
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: the same make and model car the year of the,

708
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: car that their wives had the same. Names like, now

709
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it probably is, coincidence but LIKE i

710
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: wonder with The paul McCartney, example like maybe if they

711
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: cloned him and he grew up In america, instead he

712
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: would still be like a number one, artist but with

713
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: An american style music or. SOMETHING i don't, mean it's you,

714
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: know it's a great what.

715
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 7: IF i SUPPOSE i feel like WHEN i was a,

716
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 7: kid because When dolly, HAPPENED i would have been like

717
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 7: seven eight years, old and in my mind it was

718
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 7: definitely like they put the sheep in the machine and

719
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 7: then that's what she came out of the. Machine, Right,

720
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 7: yeah that was the cartoon. VERSION i feel like The

721
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 7: simpsons did it a bunch of, times, like, oh for,

722
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 7: sure Cloned bart and it was just like a million

723
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 7: clones would pop out of the. Machine AND i THINK

724
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 7: i thought that that was what cloning was for a

725
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 7: very long. TIME i do not. Know and this just

726
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 7: makes so much. Sense it's like so much less mysterious

727
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 7: when you are talking about just the very basic science of.

728
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 7: It it's still incredible and, amazing but it's, Like, OKAY

729
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 7: i get that a lot more than some kind of

730
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 7: special plasma machine that you, go, yeah.

731
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Like a THREE d printer, Essentially, yeah. Exactly AND i, asked,

732
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: like why you, know why haven't you know aside from

733
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: now obviously there's laws and all these, things but, like

734
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: is there something about humans that makes it so difficult

735
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: to clone? Us and he said kind of how Before

736
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: dolly they were like maybe mammals can't be clone just too.

737
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: Complicated for whatever, reason we can't find the right. Combo

738
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: that seems to be also a lot of it with,

739
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: humans where it's, like, one we don't want to necessarily

740
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: go so, far so we're we're not going to push,

741
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: it or we.

742
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: Can't we can't.

743
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: Legally, yeah and also it's a matter of the cost

744
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: would be so, high the cost not being, money but just, like,

745
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: yeah you might make a lot of really messed up

746
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: people who won't survive or anything, else and that brings

747
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: up a whole other host of.

748
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: Questions, ACTUALLY i.

749
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 7: Feel like people are really playing with fire because as

750
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 7: a lot of times these clones turn out to be

751
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 7: evil as.

752
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: Far as the risk might not be worth. It, no

753
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: let me let me play one more clip on kind

754
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: of the ethical concerns from, him and then let's wrap

755
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: up and kind of talk about why why we are

756
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: so fascinated by.

757
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 13: This so the ethical concerns around human cloning really fall

758
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 13: into only two different. Buckets one is a more absolute

759
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 13: something man was not intended to. Do we shouldn't mess

760
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 13: with ourselves in this. Way this is Not god's. Will,

761
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 13: interestingly this is one of those areas where the political

762
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 13: spectrum is a. Circle so you've got conservatives who say

763
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 13: it's Not god's.

764
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: Will you've got ultra liberals who, say, well it's not.

765
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: Natural it's not evolution's.

766
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 13: Will it's Not darwin's, will which shows the misunderstanding of

767
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 13: evolution In.

768
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: Darwin but it's it's certainly not, natural at least not in,

769
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: humans not in.

770
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 13: Mammals add to that the fact that your manipula human

771
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 13: embryos and you're going to end up killing a lot

772
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 13: of human embryos in the research or with leftover, embryos

773
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 13: and that is viewed by many people as murdering. Babies

774
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 13: not by majority of the, country but a substantial chunk

775
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 13: of the, country and several states think that destroying embryos

776
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 13: is murdering. Babies so that's one set of. Concerns and

777
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 13: those would, say, no it's just. Wrong it doesn't, matter

778
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 13: there's no two ways about. It the other side focuses

779
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 13: more on not is the process right or, wrong but

780
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 13: what would the likely consequences? Be so what's wrong with

781
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 13: cloning humans to make? Babies and there everyone still agrees

782
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 13: it's too. Risky you, KNOW i care about dead, puppies

783
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 13: BUT i care about dead babies a lot more THAN

784
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 13: i care about dead. Puppies so we don't know how

785
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 13: safe it would be with. Humans how would you ever

786
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 13: know how safe it would be with, humans you'd have

787
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 13: to try it in. Humans so safety is a, big big,

788
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 13: question and so far everybody thinks it's a it's a deal.

789
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 13: Killer one can imagine a research program that would give

790
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 13: you enough confidence that you'd, say, okay you can try,

791
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 13: this but no one seems to be working along those,

792
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 13: lines in part because there seems to be no really

793
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 13: great reason to clone. Humans and that's the second. ARGUMENT i,

794
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 13: mean one argument is it's. Unsafe the other argument is why?

795
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: Bother, yeah there you get a taste of kind of

796
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: lots of the questions being around this kind of why

797
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: overall it's been basically shut down as a. Thing, YEAH

798
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: i ought to say is as far as we, know

799
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: there have been no grown human clones to. Debunk you,

800
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: know you guys can calm, Down. DEVIN i don't know

801
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: if you're convinced, yet but you, Know i'll hook you

802
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: up With hank and you guys can chat it.

803
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: Out, yeah we'll.

804
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 5: SEE i would be shocked if there were human, cloneses

805
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 5: but they wouldn't tell us if there were no.

806
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: Exactly of, Course stanford is, obviously you, know bought off

807
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: by Big. Clone so there, hasn't to our, knowledge been

808
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: a cloned human that has then grown. Up but it

809
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: seems like the technology is. Possible it's a thing that

810
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: could happen if there were not so many hurdles or.

811
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: Obstacles not THAT i think those hurdles are obstacles shouldn't be,

812
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: there but, like it seems like they could essentially do

813
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: this if if they wanted, to they being like the

814
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: world's leading. Scientists, YEAH i don't think it's something that's,

815
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: impossible just like the same way they thought maybe the

816
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: sheep couldn't be cloned and then.

817
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 4: Was it's a matter of.

818
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: A lot and a lot and a lot of. Trial but,

819
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: yeah it seems like that same PROCESS i think in

820
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: theory would work for. Humans so then for the conspiracy

821
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: theorists who believe this, stuff you know that that's an

822
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: easy leap to. Make it's, Like, okay someone is cloning

823
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: somewhere and.

824
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: It's just a.

825
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: Secret, originally at the beginning of this, EPISODE i thought

826
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't even possible to do it for, humans SO

827
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: i could see kind of where the conspiracy theorists are coming.

828
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: From of COURSE i don't agree or believe, that but but,

829
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: yeah the technology, like you, know it kind of makes.

830
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: Sense we're going to take one more quick, break and

831
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: when we're, back we're going to discuss why we're so

832
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: attracted to these clone. Theories doing all this and thinking

833
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: about it and both the kind of moral red lines

834
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: and otherwise you wonder kind of why these are such reoccurring.

835
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: Trips we're talking.

836
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: About much more recent history twenty sixteen as a kind of,

837
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: peak but also obviously you go, back you, know fifty

838
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: fifty years more and people are talking about this and

839
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of a recurring, thing AND i wonder why that.

840
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: Is do you guys have any any theories on kind

841
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: of what draws us to this?

842
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 7: IDEA i would think that thing at least would be,

843
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 7: like for, EXAMPLE i remember when people were Saying Kanye

844
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 7: west was, cloned and that was in like twenty twenty,

845
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 7: three and it does feel like this like cope kind

846
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 7: of thing where it's, Like, okay he did a bunch

847
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 7: of shit THAT i didn't think he would, do and

848
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 7: so what's an easy. Explanation he's the evil clone of,

849
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 7: himself you. Know and SO i think that there's this

850
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 7: very easy way to whether it be like a doppelganger

851
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 7: or it be even a, reptilian but like this body

852
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 7: swap idea where you can just, say if SOMEONE i

853
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 7: like is doing SOMETHING i don't, like or even if

854
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 7: SOMEONE i don't like is doing something, good well that's

855
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 7: actually still evil because they have these evil. Intentions so

856
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 7: it's like this really easy way to like morph the

857
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 7: person who is in your crosshairs for whatever reason into

858
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 7: either being good or. Bad he's not what you.

859
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Want, YEAH i guess it's kind of just like being

860
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: possessed by the devil or some dan or something, REALLY

861
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: i mean in just a religious sense of like you're

862
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: doing this wrong because you're being tempted by something, else

863
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: and essentially that's what the clone is, doing or whoever

864
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: is making the clone and swapping out these people or

865
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: that sort of.

866
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: Thing.

867
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Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i would also say, that like many other

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories THAT i feel like so many of them

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Speaker 1: are rooted in a just a massive kind of distrust

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Speaker 1: for governments or, institutions and then it just becomes so

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Speaker 1: easy for you to believe that some incredibly nefarious stuff

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Speaker 1: is going on if you already don't trust those kind of.

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Speaker 1: Organizations if that makes, Sense, yeah brings.

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Speaker 5: SOME i would say, order like it's, like you, know

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Speaker 5: people are, Complex like you, Know chelsea's talking about The kanye,

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Speaker 5: EXAMPLE i saw the opposite of like now That kanye

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Speaker 5: is going on as you, know Like.

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Speaker 4: Jewish apology tour where he's like a.

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Speaker 5: Little bit more, chill and now people are, saying, oh

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Speaker 5: now this is actually a. Clone, yeah the real one

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Speaker 5: when ye sit down and do this and go back

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Speaker 5: when their.

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Speaker 7: Work you can choose which one of those stories, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Everyone and it gives order to a thing that

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Speaker 5: it's like kind of, confusing doesn't really make.

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Speaker 4: Sense you don't have a lot of context for.

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Speaker 5: Right these people aren't spending time With, kanye they aren't

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Speaker 5: spending time with these. Politicians they don't understand why horrible

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Speaker 5: things are happening in the, world and it's easy to be, like,

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Speaker 5: oh it's. Clones you, know it's. Clones these people are,

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Speaker 5: Evil this is all. Conspiracy it seems like there was

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Speaker 5: no order to, it and it seems like like like

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Speaker 5: the world is just so, unpredictable but behind the, scenes

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Speaker 5: there's so much order to, it and like the world

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Speaker 5: is predestined to be this way because these people are.

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Speaker 4: Pulling the pup the shrinks behind you, know closed.

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Speaker 7: DOORS i mean it really is just the perfect example

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Speaker 7: of like every conspiracy, theory if things are not what they. Seem,

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Speaker 7: yes it's just like a perfect one to one of

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Speaker 7: the heart of conspiracy. Theory AND i think that's why

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Speaker 7: it endoors.

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Speaker 1: Too m. H, Yeah i'm sure this is Gonna, yeah

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Speaker 1: it will, endure And i'm sure in thirty years people

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Speaker 1: will be sitting around podcasting about you, know the next

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Speaker 1: round of clones will be replaced, probably, so, yeah our

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Speaker 1: clones we do a. Little if our podcast gets a

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Speaker 1: little more, popular they're changing this. Out, yep Time kaleidoscope fires,

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Speaker 1: us but they've been growing clones the whole.

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Speaker 7: Time would we know we were the? Clones that's a great.

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Speaker 5: Question we have to give like a code word or

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Speaker 5: signal that if you ask us this and we don't

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Speaker 5: respond in the right, way that's.

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Speaker 4: How you know it's the.

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Speaker 7: Clone it's that thing Where, yeah but person's like pointing

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Speaker 7: the gun or the laser and being, like who is,

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Speaker 7: it which? One this one or this? One shoot say

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Speaker 7: the right, thing say the secret.

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Speaker 1: Thing because in modern in modern day cloning, capabilities the

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Speaker 1: clone would not have the memories of the Original no right.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah they have to study.

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Speaker 1: Up, yeah they're going to be listening to all these. Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: yeah like all, right this is a stance on.

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Speaker 7: This, yeah just like eminem.

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Speaker 16: Those, hey hey.

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Speaker 1: Than no such thing as a production of kaleidoscope. Content

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Speaker 1: our executive producers are Kid osboarded Man. Gestakidur the show

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Speaker 1: is created By Manny, Fidel Noah, friedman And Devin. Joseph

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Speaker 1: theme and credits song By Manny. Fidel mixing is By Steve.

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Speaker 1: Bone our guests this week Are Chelsea Weber smith And

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