WEBVTT - Why We Numb—The Real Reason We Avoid Pain & Seek Comfort  (With Dr. Chip Dodd) (Outweigh)

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<v Speaker 1>I won't let my body out me outwait everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm made done, won't spend my life trying to change.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning love who I am, I get, I'm strong,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel free, I know everybody of me. It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he'll always out way if you feel it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you she'll some love to the food. By you

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<v Speaker 1>have there, say good day and did you and die out?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, leanne here and I hope you enjoyed this series

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<v Speaker 3>with doctor Chip Dodd. Here on outweigh and if you

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<v Speaker 3>dot com. Hey, hey, and happy Saturday Outweigh. We are

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<v Speaker 3>back for part two of this four part mini series

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<v Speaker 3>here with doctor Chip Dodd.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, good, good to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, good to have you back. Last week was a

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<v Speaker 3>powerful conversation if you missed it, we got into what

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<v Speaker 3>is addiction really right, not just the you know, theoretical

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<v Speaker 3>version of it, but we talked about it on a

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<v Speaker 3>science level, on a logistics level, and then of course

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<v Speaker 3>on a cause and effect level, from where it's truly rooted,

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<v Speaker 3>which is in the heart, in the feelings, in the

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<v Speaker 3>soul and the spirit. So we are back now to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about why we numb and the real reason we

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<v Speaker 3>avoid pain and seek comfort. And so last week we

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<v Speaker 3>talked a little bit about, you know, why we turn

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<v Speaker 3>to food and alcohol and shopping and relationships, even busyness

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<v Speaker 3>like hustling for our worthiness nowadays has become a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of an addiction. But what we're really trying to escape

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<v Speaker 3>or avoid? So can we just you know, we pick

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<v Speaker 3>up from where we were last week when we're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to escape or avoid, like what is that? What are

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<v Speaker 3>we doing and why are we turning to those coping mechanisms?

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<v Speaker 2>With you this is going to sound strange at first,

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<v Speaker 2>but we actually, and this is going to probably sound

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<v Speaker 2>very strange, we have two enemies. We have society at

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<v Speaker 2>large that measures everything externally and judges accordingly, right, judges

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<v Speaker 2>like that. And then our real primary enemy is the

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<v Speaker 2>brain itself. Now I don't mean the whole brain, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but the brain is doing exactly what it's made to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about our frontal lobe logic and our executive

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<v Speaker 2>functioning is created to find places where there isn't pain.

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<v Speaker 2>So your brain as the organ is actually a comfort seeking,

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure seeking instrument doing what's made to do, which means

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<v Speaker 2>pain avoidant. Okay. So your brain is doing its job

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<v Speaker 2>to helping you avoid honestly having to feel and having

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<v Speaker 2>to be, indeed, or having to be in situations in

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<v Speaker 2>which you are vulnerable, which means don't have control. Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>so your brain is oddly pain intolerant. That's how come

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<v Speaker 2>your thinking can't sob can't bring you to healing because

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<v Speaker 2>your thinking is opposed to what it takes to heal.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So, but your brain is intolerant for pain,

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<v Speaker 2>and here's the beauty. Your heart is pain tolerant. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean your emotional center of your being is a

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<v Speaker 2>pain tolerant place. You don't have to like the pain,

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<v Speaker 2>but you find that somehow or another, you're capable of

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<v Speaker 2>tolerating the pain. Love is painful, child bearing is painful.

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<v Speaker 2>Recovery is painful. And a woman named Marian Diamond, she

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<v Speaker 2>was the inventor of neuroplasticity, which is where we get

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that the brain could be changed from where

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<v Speaker 2>it was to a different place. This is nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was disregarded for two three decades almost And

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<v Speaker 2>she's the one that came up with the phrase use

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<v Speaker 2>it or lose it. And so she discovered there are

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<v Speaker 2>five ways to create what she called brain health. But

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<v Speaker 2>the truth was she actually had discovered, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>she had actually discovered the five ways that the heart

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<v Speaker 2>overcomes the brain, and so that we will quote choose

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<v Speaker 2>health over comfort, and the five ways for us to

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<v Speaker 2>be maximum maximumly fulfilled. She said she discovered nutrition, exercise, risking,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing new things, taking on challenges, and love. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>these things were scientifically proven. But if you'll notice all

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<v Speaker 2>five of those things, eating, healthy, exercise, seeing new things,

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<v Speaker 2>taking on challenges, and love, all five of them require pain.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to delay gratification for benefits. And so if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not raised in a world where feelings are forms

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<v Speaker 2>of strength. See now we're being raised more than ever before.

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<v Speaker 2>Children are being raised with having feelings, but the feelings

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<v Speaker 2>in so many ways because the parents don't trust them.

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<v Speaker 2>The feedings become permission to not have to risk, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than yes, you're gonna feel it, but I'll be here

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<v Speaker 2>when you're done. Yes okay, versus don't feel it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so many of us came from a don't feel it

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<v Speaker 2>and now there's great permission to feel, but nobody could

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<v Speaker 2>tolerate them. So there's a tweeer world. It's called delay

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<v Speaker 2>gratification for benefit, and all of recovery is about taking

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<v Speaker 2>the risk of having feelings to delay gratification. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>a promise of gratification being better than satisfaction. When I

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<v Speaker 2>eat an apple pie muffin, I mean just go down

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<v Speaker 2>the list. It hits the blood brain barrier seconds. If

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<v Speaker 2>I eat healthy, I have to wait for the benefit

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<v Speaker 2>to upcome. And it all has to do with feelings

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<v Speaker 2>like I won't be okay your brain, and your brain

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<v Speaker 2>is literally saying, look, you can do this tomorrow. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>wait till tomorrow. I promise tomorrow will be a great day,

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<v Speaker 2>but tonight for right now. And then when we go

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<v Speaker 2>do the thing that that makes us comfortable, we wind

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<v Speaker 2>up judging ourselves for being weak, and we weren't weak.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not weak. We're doing what the brain is, the

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<v Speaker 2>brains telling us to do to avoid feeling because your

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<v Speaker 2>brain is a mechanism that says, I want to take

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<v Speaker 2>care of you, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why it's so important for us to learn

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<v Speaker 3>and take back ownership from our brain and influence it

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<v Speaker 3>in the direction that it needs to go rich than

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<v Speaker 3>having it drive us around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, rabbit, So but what is it that takes control

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<v Speaker 2>of the brain, And it's the one thing we run

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<v Speaker 2>from heart? The heart. I know it sounds so weird,

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<v Speaker 2>but the heart is created by God to take precedence

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<v Speaker 2>over the brain. In fact, the God piece here and

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<v Speaker 2>Proverbs four twenty three says above all else, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like above everything else. It says guard your heart, and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean unlock it in prison it be set

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<v Speaker 2>it free and treasure it both. It's very valuable part

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<v Speaker 2>of you to guard your heart above all else, because

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<v Speaker 2>out of it flow all the issues of life. Another

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<v Speaker 2>translation says, because it's the well spring of life. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't know your heart, you'll never be free.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't have your heart, you'll never be courageous.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't have your heart, you can't be really curious.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's about controlling rather than experiencing. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And so if you have ever heard yourself feeling like

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<v Speaker 3>or identified with this whole, you know, short term gratification trap.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only did you just get the neuroscientific explanation from

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<v Speaker 3>doctor chip DoD over here, but also you know again

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<v Speaker 3>you cannot solve a logical problem or emotional problem with

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<v Speaker 3>this logic and reason, you know, And it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A hard In fact, all addiction is a logic problem. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, it's trusting the logic too much. If

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<v Speaker 2>I do this, I'll get that. If I get that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do this if I do and your logic will

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<v Speaker 2>always take you away from having to deal with feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll always win every draw. Yeah, every one of us

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<v Speaker 2>who goes and does something that we know ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>time is going to hurt us, right, and we do

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<v Speaker 2>it anyway. It's not because we're stupid, it's because the

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<v Speaker 2>logic said go there absolutely avoid feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I have so many conversations with these highly

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<v Speaker 3>intelligent women and they're likely Anne, I'm so good everything else,

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<v Speaker 3>And I tell them this is not an intelligence problem.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not lack of thing you know it is. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so much deeper, and it's hardwired. It's a product

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<v Speaker 3>of cause and effective. A lot of times, decades or

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<v Speaker 3>a lifetime of these practices where the brain has gotten hijacked.

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<v Speaker 2>Hijack, or is the doing the hijacking and gets hijacked,

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<v Speaker 2>and people are very successful through their thinking. Almost most

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<v Speaker 2>of the people that I treated years ago at the

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<v Speaker 2>Center for Professional Excellence, most of those people were highly influential,

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<v Speaker 2>highly highly achieved, super people, pleasing people. I'm talking about politicians,

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<v Speaker 2>the lawyers, the doctors, and so on, male and female.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I would say to them, Look, you're intelligent, amazingly.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're smarter than I am. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you have the willpower of like a rhinoceros. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean your toughest nails. You couldn't endure what you've endured,

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<v Speaker 2>even residency for example, in medical schools. And you're moral,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you seek perfection. So it's a form of

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<v Speaker 2>morality if nothing else. You know how to hide your

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<v Speaker 2>secrets because you fear being judged. But you're so smart,

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<v Speaker 2>you're so tough, and you're so strong, but you look stupid,

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<v Speaker 2>you look weak, and you look bad. But we know

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<v Speaker 2>you're not, because it's proven that you're not. So you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have an intelligence problem, you don't have a willpower problem,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a moral problem. You have a heart problem, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>not taking a risk of trusting honestly, that limbic system,

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<v Speaker 2>that part of your b that is the emotional center

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<v Speaker 2>and the long term memory center.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, yeah, the elephant that never forgets that

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<v Speaker 3>have boganfans. So let's talk about avoidance, Okay, because this

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<v Speaker 3>is a big one, no matter who's listening. I know

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<v Speaker 3>we've all that can be procrastination, avoidance, numbing. So let's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about avoidance. Why does that happen? And I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like there is not that we're making this a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>society's bad conversation, but there is a societal pattern of

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<v Speaker 3>kind of teaching us to numb instead of process avoidance

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<v Speaker 3>and how that just continues that disconnect ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you talk about that avoidance is actually just an

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<v Speaker 2>impaired expression of wisdom. And what I mean by that

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<v Speaker 2>because see wisdom, wisdom is because I've experienced life, I've

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<v Speaker 2>learned from it, and I know how to process the

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<v Speaker 2>feelings of it. Wisdom becomes a sense of intuitively knowing

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<v Speaker 2>when to do something and when not to. Avoidance is

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<v Speaker 2>a beat up form of wisdom that says, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have to feel that, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>have to risk that, I don't want to be told

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong. So avoidance becomes like a beat up form

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<v Speaker 2>of wisdom and also a demand for perfectionism, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not even gonna step into yeah. And so it's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the control addiction and ultimately in all addiction, all

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<v Speaker 2>impairments related to addiction, because the core addiction is control addiction,

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<v Speaker 2>that out of which comes all the expressions of our

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<v Speaker 2>multi layered, multi dimensional, multi factorial expressions of the sickness

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<v Speaker 2>of addiction. Whether it's like the disordered eating eating disorders,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be you know, like the drug of choice.

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<v Speaker 2>In this area, it can be believe it or not

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<v Speaker 2>taking something very healthy and taking it to extremes. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like even spinning things to avoid having to face things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the politicians expert tease is the addiction of spinning,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's an addiction to avoiding, to have to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>having to actually stand up and say this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I am, this is what I feel, because we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to keep ourselves brain safe rather than carry the taught

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<v Speaker 2>integrity of their own hearts. That makes sense, absolutely, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the avoidance itself becomes its own identity of

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<v Speaker 3>like the well, this is just what I do and

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<v Speaker 3>this is who I am, and then they forget that

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<v Speaker 3>again it's just and then there's a numbing that comes

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<v Speaker 3>with the avoidance because you don't even know what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 3>like what you're hiding from anymore. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>times I'll ask a woman, you know, why does she

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<v Speaker 3>think it is that she's not able to do? Is

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<v Speaker 3>there something? Is there a story that she's telling herself,

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<v Speaker 3>a thought that she's thinking, a fear that she has,

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<v Speaker 3>And the answer often is like, I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never asked myself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, that's a great question you're asking. And avoidance

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<v Speaker 2>is always about not having to touch a feeling. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to do with. I mean, avoidance is

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<v Speaker 2>about not having to feel. I know it sounds you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I sound like I'm what one trick pony, But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling you it's the most astounding thing every one of

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<v Speaker 2>our problems that isn't just truly a sort of genetic

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<v Speaker 2>neurophysiological purely you know, like a brain's broken, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Every one of our problems has to do with avoiding,

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<v Speaker 2>over extending, reacting to doing everything we can to keep

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<v Speaker 2>from having to do one thing. Feel our feelings, tell

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<v Speaker 2>the truth about them, and trust that there's a process

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<v Speaker 2>that allows us to heal from even feelings we don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have. That's it. I know it sounds so well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think people need to hear the oversimplification because I

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<v Speaker 3>think that what a lot of people are being told

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<v Speaker 3>is that it is a willpower problem. In order to

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<v Speaker 3>you need to avoid restrict control, which is creating more

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<v Speaker 3>of the problem absolutely versus like, well, why don't we

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<v Speaker 3>look at what hole am I trying to fill avoid

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<v Speaker 3>of with food, social media, whatever, And how do I

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<v Speaker 3>learn how to become emotionally and spiritually available to myself

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<v Speaker 3>in those moments rather than turning to food.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus was so clear, unless you change and become like

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<v Speaker 2>and he said one of these. He was literally talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a three year old child standing at his knee,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, unless you change and become like one

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<v Speaker 2>of these. And I just said something that every child

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<v Speaker 2>can understand, and every child already knows. What are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the truth? What happened that you feel this way right?

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<v Speaker 2>And what do you want related to it? In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a process that will bring you back to oxytocin,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the chemistry of truly being connected, life giving,

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<v Speaker 2>which is strength for the day we're all made to

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<v Speaker 2>have relationship with heart to heart.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I talk about oxytocin as being like the emotional safety hormone,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's like, if you don't feel emotionally safe, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't be or do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it true too that oxytocin, if everything I've read

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<v Speaker 2>it I understand so far, is the only like neurochemical

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't produce synthetically.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't produce it synthetically, And that's what all of

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<v Speaker 2>our addiction is an attempt to produce the relational connection

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<v Speaker 2>chemical without having dear risk.

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<v Speaker 3>Social brain, not this on licking reason and where the

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<v Speaker 3>dopamine is coming in. Yeah, you can so, but we're trying,

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying to produce it. We're chancing after that quick high,

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<v Speaker 3>that quick hit, rather than learning. And it's not even

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<v Speaker 3>like we talked about last week. We're not doing it

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<v Speaker 3>on purpose. Our brain is doing it without our consent,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's where we need to get in there and

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<v Speaker 3>do some you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know me, you know when you said like once, we're

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like blocked in heart. Once we sort of

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<v Speaker 2>have noum to our hearts and we're not able to

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<v Speaker 2>receive oxytocin. We're still in search of it. Like this is,

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<v Speaker 2>as example, just you and I doing this podcast today,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode today, when we're when it's finished, you and

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<v Speaker 2>I will have had an oxytocin experience. It's not just

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<v Speaker 2>babies being born to touch with caregivers. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>to be willing to believe it. You have to be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to believe it because in the last episode that

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<v Speaker 2>we did after it was always like hey, you said

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<v Speaker 2>that was good. I'm like, yeah, I think that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>But will I believe it? Because if I can't receive it,

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<v Speaker 2>which means trust another person, I won't get the oxytocin.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've got to be able, and we all have

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to ask you mean it, you tell

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<v Speaker 2>the truth. We all have to be willing to doubt

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are caring about us, not just oh

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<v Speaker 2>thank you or reject. See avoidance that you brought up.

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<v Speaker 2>Avoidance has everything to do with not trusting. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't trust, you can't receive. If you can't receive,

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<v Speaker 2>you remain isolated, and addiction is the ultimate best next choice,

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<v Speaker 2>rigid whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Receivership is a teachable skill, like I don't need to

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<v Speaker 3>make it sound robotic like that, but it is like

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<v Speaker 3>open your heart and then the receivership receiving that not

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<v Speaker 3>just the oxytocin, but feeling worthy of love and belonging

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<v Speaker 3>to all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of those things. Even saying like I'm afraid to believe

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<v Speaker 2>you is a beginning of experiencing oxytocin. That chrisk you

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<v Speaker 2>say I'm afraid and be received and not rejected is

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<v Speaker 2>a trust experience, which is a life giving experience, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a skill that's been gained, which is a faith

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<v Speaker 2>that's been attained to Maybe I could do that again

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<v Speaker 2>and turn out Okay, we're renewing ourselves, we're regrowing all

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. Seeding. Feeding's heal. You got to

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<v Speaker 2>feel it to heal it. You sure knew it. If

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<v Speaker 2>you can't seal it. Yeah, And it doesn't have it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't always have to mean, like you said, go into

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<v Speaker 2>a graveyard and digging up every tasket in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, it can be right now, right now, starting today,

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<v Speaker 3>right amen. I would love it. I love this conversation. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to be back next week where we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about healing from the inside out and breaking free from

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<v Speaker 3>the need to, not just like trying not to none,

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<v Speaker 3>but breaking free from that actual need to.

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<v Speaker 2>Where can you find it? Find me at chipdod dot

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<v Speaker 2>com see hip d d d dot com, also Spotify

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<v Speaker 2>at Amazon. The Living with Heart from Birth to Death podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I really encourage people to listen to that because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much in it. I get to be unbridled, which

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<v Speaker 2>is really good. And go beyond the Voice of the

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<v Speaker 2>Heart book. I mean, I'm getting to go way beyond

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<v Speaker 2>Voice of the Heart book.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are two ways that I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from people, and I'd love for people to get

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing Yeah, and definitely check out The Voice of the Heart.

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<v Speaker 3>You will not be sorry. We will be back next

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<v Speaker 3>week for the third part of this series, so we'll

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<v Speaker 3>see then. Bye, thank you.