WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, March 19 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:11.480 It's Thursday, March. This is Jaguars Happy Hour and now 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.200 a guy who's never postponed the later canceled but probably 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:20.799 should be j P. Chad Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.880 self isolated edition from the home studio. J P. Shadrick 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.440 with you. We've got plenty to get to putting a 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.800 Jaguars news. Over the last couple of days and even 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.559 into today, around free agency, a couple of trades have 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.640 been made. They've signed, a few guys were not signed. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:46.000 They've agreed to terms and pending physicals and a signature 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.320 on a piece of paper. They'll be signed down the line. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.839 Who knows when they'll become official. Here's what's coming up 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.240 on the show today, all the Jaguars talk. We'll hear 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.200 from Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk. He's coming on 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.240 at four thirty today. We'll touch on the Jaguars moves 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.720 with Mike and then get some of the bigger picture 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.760 stories from around the National Football League as well. A 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.560 lot going on there. Tom Brady on the move, Philip 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:12.080 Rivers on the move, big name quarterbacks a big, big 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.600 reason why this free agency period has been so newsworthy. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.040 We'll hear from Jeff log Aman at four forty five 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.399 to break down all the Jaguars moves and what they 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.760 mean moving forward, and Jaguars dot Com senior writer John 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.280 Osier joins us now over the phone lines, John, how 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.679 are you? And it's um, it's kind of sad to 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.520 be self isolated from you, but good afternoon. Well people 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.680 who have been wanting me to social distance for a 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.240 long time. So uh, there's a lot of happy people 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.759 out there amidst this obvious doing a serious note. Obviously 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.000 a very difficult time, no doubt, um, but good to 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.000 talk to you. It's been a couple of days and 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.520 a lot of a lot of work going on behind 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.960 the scenes to get this show on the air, get 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.200 a lot of the Jaguars news out there on Jaguars 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.160 dot Com, including all of your riding everything that's going on. Um, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.360 I mean, let's start, I guess with a quarterback. Then 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.440 when Nick Foles was traded to the Bears for the 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.480 compensatory fourth round pick, he was the league's most expensive 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.639 free agent last year, and a year later, now Johnny's 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:17.320 gone well, and it just shows you with the quarterback position, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.079 JP teams and the Jaguars did this and a lot 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.960 of teams do it. You invest a lot in the 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.959 front end, and in some cases it's a high risk investment. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.200 And you know, they went for it last year believing 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.080 that they needed that piece to get them back to 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.320 where they wanted to be, and uh, it just never worked. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.440 It never worked out, And maybe it could have worked 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:48.160 out had they remained in that direction for one more year, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.520 but the circumstances, it just felt right to try to 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.079 get equity for him. And I think it's the prizing 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:55.760 people when they were able to get a fourth round pick. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.560 I think got credit to Dave Caldwell for getting that 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.640 fourth round pick. A month and a half ago I 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.480 was writing, a lot of people were talking about would 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.400 they need to give up something, uh to get rid 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.840 of them. That never really made sense once you examined it, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.679 because they were only going to save three million on 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.560 the cap doing that, so it kind of became obvious 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.880 that they were gonna want to try to get something 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.480 for him and not give them away. And but a 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.960 fourth round pick, I think that it shows you that 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.440 there are still people in the league who believe, rightly 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.480 or wrongly, that fowls can play and contribute. And it 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.240 it felt like a real win for the Jaguars as 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.400 a lot of the trades have so far still as 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.680 you said, about eighteen million dollars of dead money on 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.120 the salary cap, but a three million dollars savings of 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.080 what they would have paid for the quarterback position. So 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.119 after this year, he's off the Jaguars books, and that's 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.320 the best news after the last few years of quarterback 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.040 situation around here, after the Blake Bartal situation and shipping 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:57.520 him off and having to eat a lot of that 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.000 salary and now the Nick Foles, things like, we're getting 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.960 ever closer to just moving on, and that moving on 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.280 right now as it stands as Gardner Minshew as the 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.160 starting quarterback well, and I think the big thing obviously 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:15.320 two things Minshe being the starting quarterback. Secondly, and this 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.120 sort of got lost as people started figuring out the 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.200 Cat that captain be complex and on Twitter you have 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.599 so many storylines you can cover. What you said about 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.720 the goals being off the books for next year's Cat 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.720 is critical. He was gonna be had they released them 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:36.680 next year. It might have been like one five somewhere 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.800 in that range. But a huge hit. And the salary 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.440 cap well, that's now gone, so they're free of that 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.640 twenty million. Probably not going to be something the average 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:50.120 fan thinks about too much this year, this time next year. Boy, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.960 that one five is gonna feel good for people making 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.120 the decisions around here. Um, you know, it feels like 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.080 and I don't know what's gonna happen in the draft. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.000 You know, you have to look at the possibility of 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.320 maybe a quarterback in the top ten, but I would 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.200 put that at relatively low possibility. It feels like Minshew 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.320 is going to get the opportunity to show that the 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.280 signs that he showed being a franchise guy, he's gonna 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.119 get at least one year, it looks like, to show 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.400 that those signs are real. And uh, you know, I'm 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.360 sure we'll talk to Loguman later in the show about 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.160 or you will ye are those real? Is he the guy? 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.680 It sure feels like he's gonna get the shot to 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.800 show it. And uh, I feel like you sort of 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.960 earned that last year and we'll see how it goes. Yeah, 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.919 you don't get the feeling, John, that they're gonna spend 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.080 a bunch of money on like Jamis Winston or something 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.800 to come in here. This age I'd be stocked with that. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.840 You know, the draft is a completely different animal than 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.360 free agency. With this, they've invested huge money at the 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.840 quarterback position and hadn't had it worked out two years 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.640 in a row. Um to me at Jamis Winston, Uh, 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.440 and get the names out there right now. I feel 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.920 very similar to Folds and Borders in terms of you're 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.240 sort of holding your breath and taking a chance and 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.640 seeing how it goes. If there was something out there 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.960 there was a dead solid lock, maybe, but you know, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.719 they've had their experience with sort of flipping a coin 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.880 the last two offseasons. I just can't rule out draft 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.960 because they're sitting at number nine and they've got a 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.840 lot of draft equity. I don't know they have enough 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.840 to go up and get the guys people would want. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.279 So that that's why I feel like it probably gets 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.719 put on hold for a year the quarterback. But when 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.440 it's the quarterback position and you and you're in the 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.760 top ten, I think you have to at least study 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.039 do we go get a guy. I'm not sure on 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.480 that one yet. J. P. Shatrick with the Jaguars dot 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.040 Com senior writer John os Or Jaguars Happy Hour continues, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.160 and we move along now to some other deals that 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.360 Jaguars had. I guess we'll not finalized, but agreed to 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.640 terms with Klais Campbell traded to the Ravens for round pick. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.720 And then the one that is finalized is a j 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.080 Boyer traded to the Broncos for fourth round pick. Let's 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.840 start with the Klis deal, John. I mean, he's the 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.080 Walter Peyton Man of the Year. For goodness sakes, He's 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.440 an All Pro player, three time Pro bowler, and I 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.000 put out a poll on Twitter because that's what when 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.640 you want real results, that's what you do, John, and 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.880 that's what they are. I mean, there's there's no lying 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.120 on that. Like sevent or more of the votes had 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.760 him as the best free agent in Jaguars history, not 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.160 including Jimmy Smith. I had three other guys on there, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.960 but he was by far and clear the favorite. I 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.880 think it's just because he's the most recent and he's 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:48.280 fantastic of course for three years, um, but what he 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.840 did to this organization the last three years, I don't 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.400 know if you can find a better free agent guy 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.360 to have around here and then to part ways with 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.160 him like they did, it's not ideal, but it's the 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.720 business part of this send the thing. Yeah, and you know, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.320 I think to be fair, I think you gotta throw 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.960 Keenan McCardell on that list. I mean yeah, I think 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.400 Keenan is going to be on the wall at some 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.080 point and was critical. I think he's one of the 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.640 top five or six players in Jaguars history. So I'll 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.120 go to the whole list here in a second job, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:23.200 go ahead, Yeah, I mean anyway, Um, regarding Klais, couldn't 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.280 have given you more. I don't think you can have 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.280 a better free agent signing in terms of immediate impact. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.240 And you know, it's it's the shame that the NFL 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.360 right now is set up to where it's hard for 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.480 guys who are beloved finish their careers in places. But 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.880 the other side of that is, if it was set 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.000 up that way, he probably would have finished his career 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.800 in Arizona because he was beloved there too. So um, 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.880 you know, nobody around the jag Wars wanted to see 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:57.119 Klais go. But here's the bottom line. Sixteen sacks in seventeen, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.040 ten sacts in eighteen and six stacks last year. You 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.439 know he's not the same player that he was in 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.160 two thousand seventeen. He's a good, good, good player, but 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.960 fifteen million dollars and that kind of cats. If you 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.160 could get a fifth round draft choice for him, it's 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.680 still a good trade. It hurts. I love covering Plais, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.199 I think everybody did of being around philis, But in 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.360 terms of what you're trying to do right now and 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.240 setting up this franchise for the future, you know, I 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.840 just don't know how you could do any differently when 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.760 you had a fifth round take available for it, and 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.920 when you could get that money off the books. I mean, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:40.839 it's uh, rebuild, repool, reload, whatever. But right now you've 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.200 got to be smart with how your structure in this thing, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.360 and I just don't know that there was another way 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.439 to go on him. The results of that scientific poll 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.679 that I put out the other day, John Um there 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:56.360 were seven responses. Calais Campbell had seventy of the vote, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.960 Keenan hadent, paulp was Lesnie twelve for sentain Leon Searcy 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.640 fo Yeah, and I think if you know, if Klaas 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.439 had had his career in the nineties and Keenan had 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.880 just had his career, uh, you know, but that's fine. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.160 I mean everybody gets that, and it's uh, you know, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.880 I don't wanna take anything away from Klaius. He deserves 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.959 his moment. I personally think he's a pride of the 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.360 Jaguars guy at some point down the road, even though 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.160 it's just three years that he played, only because of 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.560 what he gave and without him, two thousand and seventeen 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.280 doesn't happen. Uh. And if you can't put him in 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.320 your pride, what are you doing? So? And I feel 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.160 the same way about Keenan Frank. I think there's guys 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.920 who who deserves be up there. But you know, Calais 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.160 is a legacy player for this organization to make J. P. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.160 Shatick was senior writer for Jaguars dot Com. John Osier 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:56.360 Jaguars Happy Hour continues um from the home studio here. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.720 John Osier on the phone line with us, and we 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.040 continue with the A. J. Boyer trade. His physical was 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.640 finished before all the lockdowns and everything, so it is 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.720 officially to the Bronc Coaster fourth round pick, and now 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:13.120 the entire starting secondary from that run to the playoffs 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.040 is no longer with the Jacksonville Jaguars. But it seemed 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.840 like John over the last couple of years. The overall 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.480 playoff boy A dropped a bit. That number was really high, 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.480 the dead number low. It felt like he was gonna 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.480 go no matter what. Yeah, I was sort of surprised 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:31.880 that they were able to get a fourth round pick 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.760 for him. I mean, and again not to you know, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.280 you say bad things about boy but he hadn't been 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.360 the kind of player in two thousand, eighteen and nineteen 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.720 as he wasn't at seventeen. The overall defense wasn't as good, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.599 which always hurts the cornerback when you don't have the 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:52.120 pass rush in front of you. Um. Again, fourth round 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.280 pick for full, fifth round pick for Clay, a fourth 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.800 round pick for boy A. Uh. Somebody asked in the 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.160 Ozone a few weeks back, how did David called, I'll 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.359 get a fourth round pick for boy I said, Witchcraft. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.000 I mean it was. It was a great move by 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.520 Caldwell to get that. I thought he was gonna be 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.800 released because I didn't know that he had any values 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:14.640 on the open market. Uh. But again back to you know, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.240 the thread was Kolias and what these guys mean A 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:24.080 j boy A, just like Kleis, should be remembered by Jaguars. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:28.480 Fans incredibly fondly, never anything wrong off the field, was 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.560 was a great guy to be around, and as with Kolis, 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.240 without him two thousand and seventeen doesn't happen. And that 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.640 was as much as things has gone wrong the last 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.840 couple of years, that was a special year. So I 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.400 hope he does well in Denver. But right now you're 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.640 looking at a situation where I think they go draft 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.560 a corner to replace boy a Um and I think 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.439 they go draft a defensive tackle to address the middle. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.480 And I think, you know, as hard as it's gonna 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.360 be for people to hear, I think you have a 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.679 chance of being at least the same defense. It's not 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.240 that or it's the two rookies that they have, and 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.280 I think they'll go corner and defense attack in the 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.760 first round or early in the second. I think you 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:11.760 can be very quickly improving on defense compared to last 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.439 year because of what you've done at linebacker. And that's 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.400 probably the next topic. John Oshan with us on Jaguars 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.880 Happy Hour, and it is you've done these shows before. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:26.120 John is the next topic, and the Jaguars announcing that 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.560 they have agreed to terms with Joe Schobert from the 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.800 Cleveland Browns to be the middle linebacker. He has a 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.960 Pro Bowl and under his belt back from the seen season. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.720 That means and probably more notably, that Myles Jack is 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.400 moving to the weak side of position he has not played, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.280 at least to my knowledge, in college or the pros. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.880 Certainly the pros um that's huge news for this defense. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.440 One of the guys remaining is moving to get another 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.480 linebacker position. And as Doug Moron was saying earlier today 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.880 to the Jaguars Dot Com crue Ashlan Sullivan, that, um, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.800 you know, it gives them a little flexibility at that 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.360 back of position and Miles can move around if needed. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.199 But it sounds like Miles is moving to the week 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.600 side John, Yeah, and by something what Doug said this morning, 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.040 you think that's his is the most natural position, which 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.320 it started to feel that way last couple of years. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.960 But let's remember this mild. You know, we got a 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.000 lot of criticism last year, and I'm not sure all 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.240 was warranted. That's another topic. I think he would have 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.760 been playing week side a long time ago, and I've 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.880 had people question me in the ozone, well, why in 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.359 the world didn't they do this already? Well, for three years. 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.520 Helpings is over there, So I'm not sure that that 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.800 was necessarily a negligent moved by the coaching stack. You 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.760 had a guy who's playing at a high level, and 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.440 you're trying to get your best guys on the field. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.560 I'm not so sure that he wouldn't have done it 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.640 last year, except it Kelvin surprised everybody very late in 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.160 the process. The draft had already taken place, free agency 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.320 had already taken place, so you try to go, you know, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.040 and then he retired or least football would ever happen. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.840 So I think this the situation where now it makes 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.760 sense to get Miles over the week side. I don't 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.480 know that you wanted to do it last year because 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.320 all of a sudden, you're shaking everything up. You're not 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.240 sure what's going on, so Miles jack over the middle. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.400 I don't know that you necessarily want to say that 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.840 it's only because of Miles, because Schobert's a good player, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.720 good middle linebacker and natural medal linebacker. As Doug said 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.520 a couple of times when Ashlal was talking to him 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.680 and when I talked to him later, this is the 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.880 situation where you improved two positions with one signing uh, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.640 the jag Wars clearly needed to do that with their defense. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.200 He thinks this makes the run defense a lot better. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.080 I would think there'll be a major acquisition in the draft, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.240 had one more pizza that run defense. But to me, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.520 if you look at their season last year, the inability 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.520 to stop the run once Darius went out was the 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.840 defining characteristics of the season, beyond all the offensive troubles, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.960 beyond anything else, beyond even Jalen Ramsey leaving. They couldn't 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.600 stop the run. When you can't do that, you can't 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.920 win because it's all teams due to you is run 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.880 when they know you can't stop it. If these acquisitions 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.400 make you better against the run, it makes them more 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.240 competitive no matter what else they've lost. It was awful 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.360 last year and that stretch especially that you know, um 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:17.720 three quarters part of the season there when they just 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.800 couldn't They were giving up two hundred yard games every 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.280 time out. You can't compete. You can't compete because it's 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.080 all people do to you could run. You're not gonna 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.520 do anything else because it's low risk that stop. Then 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.200 you can start talking about the other position. They feel 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.400 like they're making moves toward that. All right, Um, dark 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.920 ques Denard from the Bengals cornerback, he'll compete it outside 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.560 corner and defensive lineman Rodney Gunter from the Cardinals sounds 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.200 like he's got some big end ability and three technique 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.360 they can move around. Almost the Calais Campbell type position. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.280 Type role there for Rodney Gunter. But you know, Dennard 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.840 may not be the answer outside, but he's going to 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.880 compete to be the answer outside. And the rest, of course, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.160 the off season remains with a draft. As you mentioned earlier, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.320 they could be drafting a cornerback pretty high here. Yeah, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.119 And I think both of those positions, or both of 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.560 those acquisitions feel like the same kind of thing in 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.479 different positions, Meaning it's not like offensive line where you're 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.920 gonna line up five guys and hope they all play 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.879 all the plays during the season. A defensive line and 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.720 in the secondary you need more than just your starters. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.280 You need four or five guys in each spot because 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.200 they're on the field a lot. So you know, I 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:33.640 kind of think Dennard probably compete with a rookie who 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.040 gets drafted in the top forty, So will he be starting? 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:38.439 I don't know, but I think he'll be on the 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.280 field a lot. I certainly think that uh Gunter is 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.200 going to be on the field a lot. You've got 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.160 to have seven eight guys on the defensive lines who 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.320 you believe in, who can play, and so he clearly 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.919 is going to be a big factor. Does he start 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.840 or will? They have a defensive tackle drafted starting at 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.800 Tavin Bryan with then Ard and Abrew Jones. Even having 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.800 a a did not mean a gut your level player 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.200 next to Avery makes you feel better about that rotation 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.960 than you felt the dandel last year. So they need 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.639 guys who can line up. They need guys to allow 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.120 them not to reach in the draft. Both of these 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:22.000 guys put that to me. Final thought here, John, Um, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.320 it's a scary thought about this defense. Right, that's a 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.280 lot of new faces, A lot of familiar names and 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.600 faces from the last three years or so are no 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.720 longer around. Marcel Darius his contract right out. They didn't 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.480 take the option on him. Calais traded, boy a trading. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.639 I mean, there's only a handful of guys left that 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.960 people really know around here from two or three years ago. Um, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.919 what what can I guess? What can we expect can 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.600 we expect a mid level high level defense next year? 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.040 You know, it's uh, it's hard to say because the 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.680 yawn thing you get to play out Unique and got way. Uh. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.600 It feels like Josh Allen and Miles Jack the you know. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.800 I mean, those guys need to step up. But if 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.119 you've got those two guys who are first round, elite 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.240 level talent, You've paid Schobert like that, So that feels right. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.040 If you get Unique on the field and then you 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:20.080 add a rookie defensive tackle and rookie cornerback, and I 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:21.960 don't know it's what they'll do, but if they do that, 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:23.639 we all of a sudden, you've got a lot of 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.399 talent there. Uh. Josh Allen to me feels like a 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.080 guy I had my talking to this morning about leadership, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.840 because the leadership was an issue in two thousand thirteen 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.600 TAPS fourteen when they sued so young. They're skewing young again, 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.639 so they need guys who are leaders. I've been around, 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.680 you know, the NFL for twenty five years. Josh Allen 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.840 is as much in his in his first year a 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.480 leader guy guys can look to as I've been around, 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.639 maybe Bob Standards when I covered the Colts came in 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.600 and was immediately very mature. A guy who can look 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.359 to Josh reminds me of that level of readiness for 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.480 that role. He's gonna need to play because they don't 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.359 have Coyas anymore, they don't have boy A, they need 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.160 young leaders. I think it's gonna be Josh Allen's rowing 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.960 need to play. Give him a follow at John osher 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.560 O E H. S. E R on Twitter. Senior writer 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.760 Jaguars dot Com John Osier, I will continue to keep 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:22.760 my distance from you. John Well, it's about time, j 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.160 Uh stay safe and everybody else as well. John os 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.720 you're joining us, a senior writer Jaguars dot Com pointed 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.360 to come at the bottom of the hour, it's Mike 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.080 Fourio of Pro Football Talk, and then a little later, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.280 around four forty five or so, Jeff Logman Jaguars analysts 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.960 will break down the Jaguars agreed to terms players and 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.760 some of the trades that have been agreed to as well. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.880 That's all coming up in just a little bit when 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.040 we come back. 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