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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the new member of the Patriots Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Raybold.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 3: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard,

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Speaker 3: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 4: Good to be home, Good to see you, guys.

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Speaker 4: Hello, coach, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 4: How are you see better? Mondays, it came in a

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Speaker 4: little hot this morning.

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Speaker 5: I'm I don't know if I did come in hot

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Speaker 5: this morning, because you know the remark that I made

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Speaker 5: last night, like you said it, I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 5: mean anything by it, you know, maybe a flippant response,

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Speaker 5: and I tried to clarify that with the next question, saying,

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Speaker 5: ultimately it's my decision. Ultimately, all those decisions offensively, defensively

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Speaker 5: and special team follow on me and so I just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I guess there's some who feel like

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Speaker 3: the the there's this narrative out there that at times

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Speaker 3: could be like what I like, people point to you

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Speaker 3: in your the infamous uh soft player comment soft team comment, Uh,

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Speaker 5: Can't Everyone says that.

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 3: Know, I can't coach these guys when they're out there

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Speaker 3: out there like that, and those.

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Speaker 5: Are things that the players have heard me say. Who ultimately,

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Speaker 5: that's who I care about the most. I have said

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Speaker 5: that since I was a position coach, the exact same thing.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I mean it's the it's the world

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Speaker 5: and I understand that, and and people are going to

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Speaker 5: take it how they want to take it.

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Speaker 4: When I'm talking of football players, the guys.

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Speaker 5: In that room, the men in that room, they understand

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Speaker 5: when I say, look, you're on the field, I'm not

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Speaker 5: like I try to give you the tools, go out

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Speaker 5: there and use them and the results sometimes, Look, we

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Speaker 5: would have won the game. Going back to that statement,

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Speaker 5: then everyone will been.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, you know, the players went out there

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Speaker 5: Done, but we unfortunately lost the game, and it's me

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Speaker 5: throwing them under the bus, which is not true.

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Speaker 3: And so your intent was not to throw Alex van

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Speaker 5: I did speak to them. I saved him this morning

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Speaker 5: because I didn't even think about that it was going

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Speaker 4: I spoke to him this morning and he's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: what are you talking about? Whatever? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: So your intent was to say what? So so there

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole of

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Speaker 5: trying to explain for the next ten minutes after we

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Speaker 5: I just said you said it to try to end

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Speaker 5: the question. And look, I shouldn't have done that. And again,

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Speaker 5: just like I tell the players, I'm still learning how

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Speaker 3: I think the great thing that we get to do

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Speaker 4: No, and I appreciate it, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Like how involved are you in the offensive plan.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm in there.

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Speaker 5: I'm in there when they're when they're putting the game plan,

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Speaker 5: and I try to spend more time defensively obviously, because

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Speaker 2: Gerard to kind of go even a little further like

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Speaker 2: Or are you actually giving it some input on maybe

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Speaker 5: Or I give input on where I want the ball

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Speaker 5: to go at times, I give him put on whether

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Speaker 4: But I've said it before.

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Speaker 5: Look, he's the head coach of the offense, and you know,

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Speaker 5: at times I go over to the I'm on the

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Speaker 6: So why not a sneak there?

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Speaker 4: Sorry?

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Speaker 6: Why not a sneak there?

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Speaker 4: We just tried to do what we thought was what

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Speaker 5: Did you have we always looked Early in the season,

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Speaker 5: we talked about the snakes as well, and that was

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Speaker 5: We talked about snakes and then we you know, it

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Speaker 5: Kenny quarterback snake. Absolutely, we just didn't call it that moment.

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Speaker 3: when you say best for the team, not necessarily the

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Speaker 3: best option to win, But are you trying to protect

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Speaker 4: The team, and we're always trying to win, So I

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Speaker 7: Okay, Your game plan though, is what everybody's talking about today,

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Speaker 7: especially because it seemed like Jonathan and Robert we're having

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Speaker 7: seemed like maybe Jonathan said the play calling is horrible.

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Speaker 7: Do you when do you have that conversation with them

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Speaker 7: after every game and are they talking about actual football

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Speaker 7: or do they stay in their lane of being owners

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not gonna, you know, get into what they said.

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Speaker 5: I didn't see the clip. I heard about it this morning,

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Speaker 5: but look, they owned the football team, they're fans of

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Speaker 4: Has been good.

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Speaker 3: How frustrating for you was it to not come away

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: To me, To me, you know, and I know a

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Speaker 4: So we drive the ball.

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Speaker 5: And then we get we get a penalty right, and

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Speaker 6: It feels like this team gets to the thirty five

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Speaker 6: It's like, you know me at my middle school dance,

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Speaker 6: you know, like they're like, oh, what do we do? Okay,

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Speaker 6: it and then let's settle for a field goal. When

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Speaker 6: I feel like it was a rate drive to start.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I thought, you guys got the ball, we're

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Speaker 6: going down. Drake is will always look good. Madre had

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Speaker 4: All of that.

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Speaker 6: What changes in the play call and the just general

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one thing I always said, just holistically, no matter

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Speaker 2: It is the one thing that I noticed, and it

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Speaker 2: Is there any point in time in the game where

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Speaker 5: Not to live in the past like we've done that before.

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Speaker 5: You look at the opening game when you know we

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Speaker 5: So that's always, uh, that's always a possibility. But look,

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Speaker 7: Kishan Boudi was asked about the interception and basically said,

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Speaker 7: thrown a little bit low, it's hard to handle. Do

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Speaker 7: you put the blame on Drake for the throw? Is

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Speaker 7: it more on Booty for you know, the wabble and

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Speaker 7: and does it worry you that maybe there's some finger

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think there's finger pointing.

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Speaker 5: And this isn't the first time we've had this conversation

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Speaker 5: with Booty and his messaging to everyone.

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Speaker 4: To me, it's it's on both of them. It's on everyone.

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Speaker 5: It's on all eleven guys that are out there the protection.

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Speaker 5: It's on the quarterback making a good throw, and it's

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Speaker 5: on the receiver making the catch. You know, as a

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Speaker 5: wide receiver, receivers in the title of your of your

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Speaker 5: you know he's made that catch. But again, you know

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Speaker 5: some of the frustration, I'm sure it's kind of building up.

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Speaker 3: We talked about a lot of the same things every week.

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Speaker 3: You're probably getting sick of them. But we've talked a

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Speaker 3: lot about mistackles. Uh dugger, you know, open field mistackle?

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Speaker 3: Is that something that is just Wiggy talks a lot.

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Speaker 3: Whiggy and Tyler actually talk a lot about lack of

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Speaker 4: We're all how do you fix it?

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Speaker 5: It is different, and I agree with Wiggy and Tylo,

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Speaker 5: and it is different in saying that we're all operating

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Speaker 5: under the same collectively Barden rules and so to go

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Speaker 5: out there and you know, and not be able to

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Speaker 5: tackle at disappoint in the season. It has been disappointed

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Speaker 5: and we've just got to get better.

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Speaker 6: But why has the defense gotten worse as the season's

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Speaker 5: I would say, you know, early on, you know, we

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Speaker 5: you have the safeties out there rolling you got.

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously Barmo wasn't there. But those things have

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Speaker 7: Even more so? Though in that same breath. Do you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to get into that as long

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Speaker 7: But you're happy with how this season, even though maybe

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Speaker 4: I'm not happy with. It's hard to say happy with

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Speaker 5: Bye who by the by the by the organization, the

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Speaker 5: Look, I know, I know he's a great coach and

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Speaker 4: I'm happy for him.

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Speaker 4: He'll have more. Jordan's to me, now, how many how

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Speaker 6: Like rough weekend? You give me a heart, I'm horrible with.

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Speaker 4: It a buck with names you're on TV and state. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that guy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is me.

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Speaker 6: All day long.

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Speaker 2: But we talked with Jilani on Friday and talked about

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Speaker 2: Is there something that maybe you guys feel like you

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Speaker 4: You're that second guy that comes in. I always has

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Speaker 5: I would say, I've always said this is that turnovers

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we'll let you get this question. Well

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Speaker 3: what what what shime the Helmet's question? Ohe says, I

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Speaker 4: Question of the week. Yeah, get this guy, you got

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Speaker 3: You can purchase Helman's at your local Walmart or grocery

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Speaker 6: Question, what do you think about just playing on Christmas Day?

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Speaker 6: The NFL's just started it.

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Speaker 4: Do you like it? Do you think they should?

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Speaker 5: NFL football? I think it's good for the league. I

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Speaker 5: On that look, I love to say I'm a fan

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, Merry Christmas.

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