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Speaker 1: Steven Socks. I was a stand in on The Office,
Speaker 1: also played Justin Spitzer on the Office, and currently I'm
Speaker 1: the commissioner of the Office Fantacy Football League. Hello everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome to a special Thursday edition of The Office
Speaker 1: Deep Dive. I am your host, Brian bon Gardner. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm here on a Thursday. Why it's not Tuesday? Why
Speaker 1: a Thursday? Well, because I'm so excited. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: time of the year. It's the most wonderful time. We
Speaker 1: have to pay for that. Listen, those of you who
Speaker 1: follow me on social media know that I am a
Speaker 1: huge football fan. That's right, But did you know that
Speaker 1: a lot of the Office family actually love football too.
Speaker 1: In fact, we have our own fantasy football league that
Speaker 1: has been going on for seven teen years, an official
Speaker 1: The Office Fantasy Football League. Now that seventeen years, that's
Speaker 1: longer than some of you have been alive. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: the competition started way back while we were filming the
Speaker 1: show like season two ish, and let me tell you,
Speaker 1: our directors hated it. Our assistant directors really hated it
Speaker 1: because nothing interrupted our ability to do our jobs, like
Speaker 1: our obsession with beating each other, yes, defeating, like pummeling
Speaker 1: one another. Seriously, we would spend as much time on
Speaker 1: fantasy football as we did on writing scripts or finding
Speaker 1: props or memorizing lines, and you know something, those were
Speaker 1: some of my favorite times on set. So in honor
Speaker 1: of our fantasy football crew, I'm gonna be launching a
Speaker 1: special Thursday edition of the podcast called The Office Deep
Speaker 1: Dive Fantasy Edition, where I bring on special guests and
Speaker 1: members of our league to talk all things the Office
Speaker 1: and well maybe a little football too. You'll know some
Speaker 1: of the crew like Rain Wilson, John Krasinski. Others you're
Speaker 1: gonna be meeting for the very first time, like my
Speaker 1: guest today. So to kick things off, we're going to
Speaker 1: bring in a very special person he is the glue
Speaker 1: that kept our league together and a man I am
Speaker 1: so lucky to call my friend, our commissioner, Stephen Sucks.
Speaker 1: This is a man who's really an unsung hero of
Speaker 1: the show and a huge part of our office family.
Speaker 1: Stephen was a stand in for six years. He appeared
Speaker 1: in several episodes as the character Justin Spitzer, and he
Speaker 1: was actually one of the last people to say goodbye
Speaker 1: to Steve on camera. He was on set with us
Speaker 1: day in and day out, in his words, biting his
Speaker 1: wallet during takes so he wouldn't ruin a shot, laughing
Speaker 1: and literally watching his own family grow up with the office.
Speaker 1: But most importantly, he has kept our fantasy football league
Speaker 1: together all of these years. So please join me in
Speaker 1: giving a warm, deep dive welcome to the man who
Speaker 1: well has won the league, but also one all of
Speaker 1: our hearts, the amazing Stephen Socks, Bubble and Squeak. I
Speaker 1: love it, Bubble and Squeak, Bubble and Squeaker cook at
Speaker 1: every month lift over from the Natty Bryant. There is
Speaker 1: what's Stephen? So good to see you? I know it's
Speaker 1: it's been so long, it has I mean, we've talked
Speaker 1: and texted, But to see you is is really nice.
Speaker 1: I know what happened to your hair? Well, it's not
Speaker 1: even more like you Well, there you go. You know,
Speaker 1: I always I was always bald. I just always wore
Speaker 1: a black cap backwards for lighting on the set, just
Speaker 1: to make sure that I didn't except for you, I
Speaker 1: take it off. Um and and maybe Creed because he
Speaker 1: had really light hair too, and so you know, that
Speaker 1: was the way I kept My job is to have
Speaker 1: a little dark on my top of my head. So
Speaker 1: I know it just looks shinier. Let's just it just
Speaker 1: looks shine. Maybe you polished it this morning. Getting older, Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we sure are. Oh my gosh, it's so good to
Speaker 1: see you. What um what, So you're good. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have survived. It was it was you know. I think
Speaker 1: for parents it's the hardest part of the whole thing
Speaker 1: is you're trying to protect your kids in so many
Speaker 1: different ways, not only health wise, but you know, mental
Speaker 1: health wise. With wool and uh, we did distance learning
Speaker 1: for the last year and a half and it's it's
Speaker 1: been good for them. That's that's not the case for
Speaker 1: a lot of kids. I'd say, oh, that's great. Well
Speaker 1: and I feel like your family. I mean, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that in a little bit, but your family was
Speaker 1: so much a part of the Office experience as well.
Speaker 1: I just saw a video Rain Wilson sent of his
Speaker 1: son Walter jamming with Creed, and I started thinking about
Speaker 1: your family as well. And Walter, I mean, Walter's like
Speaker 1: a grown up now, and he was the reason I
Speaker 1: know his age is because he was born when we
Speaker 1: were shooting the first four episodes of the Office. It's
Speaker 1: incredible we had that. We had that on the set.
Speaker 1: We had, you know, families being made. And I think
Speaker 1: probably the reason you're thinking that too is to have
Speaker 1: my wife and I on the set at the same time.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that's a kind of a unique
Speaker 1: thing to write. Okay, So now for those people who don't,
Speaker 1: how would you describe the job of a stand in?
Speaker 1: Then that no? Okay, go ahead, no. A stand in
Speaker 1: is another screen actors Guild job on the set is
Speaker 1: also known as second team and will will watch the
Speaker 1: rehearsals of a scene by the actors. The actors are
Speaker 1: also called first team and and usually during the last rehearsal,
Speaker 1: the camera department will throw down some marks on the
Speaker 1: tape marks on the ground, just spots that the actors
Speaker 1: will land on. That's called blocking. And then after rehearsal,
Speaker 1: the actors, you know, have some time because the camera
Speaker 1: and lighting are preparing for the shot and stuff. So
Speaker 1: the actors go off and you know, finish up hair
Speaker 1: and makeup or go over your lines or whatever you
Speaker 1: guys do, and the standings will stand in the places
Speaker 1: that are that are marked during that blocking and help
Speaker 1: the director of Photography the DP, light the scene and
Speaker 1: coordinate the movements of the camera and stuff. So so
Speaker 1: the standard needs to just basically pay attention to what's
Speaker 1: going on the scene and really get the movements down
Speaker 1: that the actor was doing. Sometimes, I mean, on the office,
Speaker 1: it could be so easy. I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: talking heads. You could sit there for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: The lighting is pretty much pre set. But it could
Speaker 1: be kind of complicated. I remember, like Jim and Pam
Speaker 1: the proposal the proposal was and you weren't there for that,
Speaker 1: But that's an entire production of the with the with
Speaker 1: the rain and next the freeway, you know, and at
Speaker 1: the gas station you would do like a run through
Speaker 1: without the actor just to make sure everything was done.
Speaker 1: So there were One time actually drove the car into
Speaker 1: the rain and the cars are going on the freeway
Speaker 1: and I got out and got to propose and knelt
Speaker 1: down the rain and did it before John and Jenna.
Speaker 1: It was very exciting. Now, so you watch the rehearsal,
Speaker 1: you see where everybody's moving, and I know, for example,
Speaker 1: on the office sometimes adjustments would be made. Now, then
Speaker 1: would you communicate with the actors and sort of adjustments
Speaker 1: that that happened. That's a great question because you're supposed
Speaker 1: to give some adjustments, But there's a balance there. You
Speaker 1: have a balance of two things, what the actor wants
Speaker 1: to hear from the stand in and also what the
Speaker 1: director wants to tell the actor himself. So you you
Speaker 1: learn your your relationship with the actor. Some actors don't
Speaker 1: really want any kind of instruction other than from a director.
Speaker 1: Others would love to sit down and get all the
Speaker 1: details and they just want to get it all together. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go back to circa two thousand seven eight ish.
Speaker 1: What were you doing before the office. I was managing
Speaker 1: a gym in Santa Monica, and Laurie was in between
Speaker 1: jobs and she was doing some assistant work for people.
Speaker 1: Laurie your wife. Oh, yes, Laurie, my wife, and we're
Speaker 1: both actors. Went through Second City here together and and um,
Speaker 1: we're pursuing acting, looking for a job that was flexible.
Speaker 1: So she was kind of running errands for people. And
Speaker 1: one of the people she was running errands for, uh,
Speaker 1: Kelly Cantley, an assistant director, and kind of ran out
Speaker 1: of work for for Laurie to do, and Kelly asked
Speaker 1: Laurie if she liked to do some background on a
Speaker 1: show she was working on, which happened to be season
Speaker 1: two of the Office, and so she knew we were
Speaker 1: Screen Actors Guild members and so offered that job, and
Speaker 1: Laurie was like, uh. In fact, I remember Laurie calling me, going,
Speaker 1: should I do background? I get, I get, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess. I go, You're not do anything. Let's let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let's let's let's work right. So she did
Speaker 1: and that um Booze Cruise was her first was her
Speaker 1: first episode that season two. That's like mid season two
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, early mid season two, but probably our
Speaker 1: most difficult episode to film was her first episode. She
Speaker 1: had problems just getting to set. I remember it was
Speaker 1: in long beach. This was kind of before well I
Speaker 1: guess I had a cell phone, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if she had a cell phone. I don't really remember.
Speaker 1: But we didn't have like ways or you know, Google
Speaker 1: maps and stuff. So her getting down a long beach,
Speaker 1: I remember she was calling early early in the morning.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm lost, you know, And it was one
Speaker 1: of these things going is this gonna work out? Is
Speaker 1: this job gonna work out? Of we're you know, this
Speaker 1: is the way we're gonna start, and uh, she had
Speaker 1: a blast. It was great. Yeah, so she was there
Speaker 1: as the female stand in for Yeah. Then well they
Speaker 1: only had This is very weird too, because Screen Actress Guild,
Speaker 1: usually because it's a union, designates that there'll be a
Speaker 1: stand in for every actor on a set. And I
Speaker 1: mean we could have fifteen actors on a scene at
Speaker 1: one time and there was one stand in at that time,
Speaker 1: a man, and they were like, oh, well, let's get
Speaker 1: a second stand in, and so they need a female.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was because of the
Speaker 1: documentary style or however they get away with with that
Speaker 1: through the union, but that's how it was. And they
Speaker 1: asked Lori about that, and again we were We were like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, is it you can have enough time, you know,
Speaker 1: to audition and stuff that you know that the kind
Speaker 1: of idea of the non working actor going, I need
Speaker 1: to make time for my my auditions and when all
Speaker 1: this stuff happens and uh, and so she kind of reluctantly,
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, let's try this. And again it was
Speaker 1: the best decision she made, you know. But that was
Speaker 1: start of season three and they had two standards at
Speaker 1: that time, and then you eventually came on. What was
Speaker 1: the story there? Go ahead, Well I got to meet
Speaker 1: you guys. And so there was some rapport there that
Speaker 1: first her first season as a stand in, and they
Speaker 1: lost the mail standing they were looking for someone to
Speaker 1: fill in, and we got a call from Kelly again
Speaker 1: saying would you be interested? And I was so stressed
Speaker 1: at my job. We were I was managing this gym
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. Like I said, I live in Studio City,
Speaker 1: like near Universal Studios for people that might not know
Speaker 1: exactly along commune. It's like twenty miles and the gym
Speaker 1: opens at five am, it closes at midnight. There wasn't
Speaker 1: a time I was away from the gym really stressed out,
Speaker 1: and a new Laury was having a great time. It's
Speaker 1: a time for us to be together. And that was
Speaker 1: really a no brainer for me. Right, so this was
Speaker 1: your first time standing in. Yeah, I had no idea
Speaker 1: what I was doing and and but I mean not
Speaker 1: only did it and and as actors, that reluctancy that
Speaker 1: I talked about, you know, doing it because there's this
Speaker 1: stigma that you're if you're standing in on a show,
Speaker 1: your second team. You may want to be first team,
Speaker 1: but now everyone sees you as second team. And and
Speaker 1: I haven't found that to be true. Not only do
Speaker 1: you have a chance to show professionalism UM and sometimes
Speaker 1: acting chops on a set in front of producers, but
Speaker 1: you meet a lot of great people. I would meet
Speaker 1: a new director every week. I mean we had Ken Kopas,
Speaker 1: Paul Feig, who is like the best dressed director in Hollywood. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Jeff Blitz, Harold Remus directed the first time
Speaker 1: I ever acted on the office UM with John Favreau.
Speaker 1: Mean it was and I didn't have LORI had J.
Speaker 1: J Abrams. You had J. J Abrams and Josh Weeden.
Speaker 1: So it was great experience to learn from those directors.
Speaker 1: But to see camera movement, UM, lighting, set decoration. So
Speaker 1: when you go to make your own project, you kind
Speaker 1: of know what to do. But also when you're on
Speaker 1: the set as an actor, you you know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially after the office, when there was a
Speaker 1: time where I was standing in on what's called a
Speaker 1: multi camp show, which would be your typical comedy uh
Speaker 1: with a laugh track and multiple cameras shooting at the
Speaker 1: same time, like Friends or Willow Greys exactly. That isn't
Speaker 1: something that an actor learns. I mean it it's closer
Speaker 1: to you know, I know you have a theater background
Speaker 1: like I do. It's closer to theater, but it's still
Speaker 1: takes some You know, you can go on at your
Speaker 1: first time as an actor and you can you can
Speaker 1: act confident in in any job you do. You act confident,
Speaker 1: you can get away with a lot of stuff. But um,
Speaker 1: to really learn what multi cam shooting is and have
Speaker 1: an idea and know what each camera is doing really
Speaker 1: helps when you're on the other side of the camera
Speaker 1: to to know what they're asking of you and how
Speaker 1: to perform. Now you your main stand in person, at
Speaker 1: least for the first four years you were there, was
Speaker 1: was Steve Carrell. This is Steve's birthday is this week?
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Steve. Um. How was it like working
Speaker 1: with him on the set and and how you know
Speaker 1: to give people an idea? Actually that that I don't
Speaker 1: even know. How was he to to talk and work with,
Speaker 1: you know, between the setups and then going back into
Speaker 1: the scenes. What did he want to hear? Steve is
Speaker 1: very professional. He's a bit quiet on set for the
Speaker 1: most part. He wouldn't like a lot of adjustments. If
Speaker 1: there were major things, your marks changed, yes, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you your mark has changed. But um, he was very focused.
Speaker 1: But I have to say he's the one that I
Speaker 1: and probably every actor on the show learned the most from.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of young actors on
Speaker 1: that set, and not that Steve was old, but he
Speaker 1: was mature in his acting and his professionalism. I don't
Speaker 1: remember him instructing people how to how to do things,
Speaker 1: but as an example, he showed a lot of people
Speaker 1: the little things that that you would just take for
Speaker 1: granted actually if you weren't in the industry, being there
Speaker 1: on time, know, in your lines, having a rapport with
Speaker 1: the other actor, look, communicate with the other actor in
Speaker 1: a professional way, and especially when the cameras on that
Speaker 1: other actor giving a full performance even when it's not
Speaker 1: your coverage, right, And he was always doing that and
Speaker 1: and I've always said it one of my top five
Speaker 1: favorite people in the world, I mean an amazing him
Speaker 1: and being just a giving man and just a straight
Speaker 1: up guy, like you said. As his birthday this week,
Speaker 1: I get a reminder of his birthday. I give him
Speaker 1: a text every year. He never doesn't just text me
Speaker 1: back right away. I mean when he left the show,
Speaker 1: he said, you have my number? What we had played golf,
Speaker 1: you know John you, I mean Chris Workman played with us, right,
Speaker 1: I remember that, And we had played golf, and so
Speaker 1: we had exchanged numbers and stuff, and I remember I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you have my number, you have my email, you need anything,
Speaker 1: let me know. And you know, at the time, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't. I don't know what I'll need
Speaker 1: and I'm not and I'm not gonna blow it on
Speaker 1: you know what, what's on that I've got this spread?
Speaker 1: What do you think you know? But uh, actually, actually
Speaker 1: I've waited a couple of times to say, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the time to call or UM, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about him as an actor, and
Speaker 1: one of the things that that was unique about him
Speaker 1: in a way, and I sort of have attributed it
Speaker 1: to his improv background, was he was, and I mean
Speaker 1: this with all love and respect, he didn't want to rehearse.
Speaker 1: And I always viewed it like he wanted to bring
Speaker 1: in the performance when it was live because he wanted
Speaker 1: everybody to be on their toes in a specific way.
Speaker 1: He did not deliver a ton of performance during the
Speaker 1: rehearsal versus James Spader, another amazing actor who wanted every
Speaker 1: gesture worked out in advance. So how was that different
Speaker 1: transitioning from one to the other. How was that different
Speaker 1: for you? Uh? James Spader wanted as much input as
Speaker 1: possible in every facet of the process. When he left
Speaker 1: to do hair and makeup and there was that forty
Speaker 1: five minutes of set up, I think in his mind
Speaker 1: he was thinking, I might be missing something, right, let
Speaker 1: me get back and see if there is there anything
Speaker 1: that you can give me. Is basically what he would.
Speaker 1: He would just sit and chat, and before he would
Speaker 1: get to a place where someone could pull him and
Speaker 1: say we're ready, he would want to pull me to
Speaker 1: the side and just let's talk. Um. Also with James, uh,
Speaker 1: the writers wrote a lit for Robert California. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of big dialogue pieces. Oh man, it was.
Speaker 1: It was and and he was incredible at it. Um.
Speaker 1: But he wanted someone on book at all times. So
Speaker 1: I had started doing that a couple of seasons in
Speaker 1: I would be on book for anybody, but it was
Speaker 1: really needed. Really, I just got time to sit next
Speaker 1: to the monitors and get close to the director and
Speaker 1: and follow the script. It was fascinating for me. But
Speaker 1: with James Spader, every word needed to be exactly right.
Speaker 1: So if he didn't get the line right, he wanted
Speaker 1: to know what it was and reinforce that. And so
Speaker 1: that was that was different. Now Steve, you know, got
Speaker 1: all his lines and would sometimes call for a line.
Speaker 1: But um, yes, Steve was Steve during rehearsals. He he
Speaker 1: giggled a little. I remember him giggling a lot because
Speaker 1: it was funny, and he take that time to laugh
Speaker 1: and get it out. I mean all that. You see
Speaker 1: a bunch of outtakes where Steve will laugh, you know, um,
Speaker 1: which are hilarious, but uh, he would laugh a lot
Speaker 1: during scenes because we all enjoyed it and laughed and
Speaker 1: had fun. You have to remember, when we're recording, we're
Speaker 1: right there and no matter how funny it is, you
Speaker 1: can't laugh. It's not like these multi camp shows where
Speaker 1: you're laughing the audience is laughing. We're just biting our
Speaker 1: wallets and watching the monitor that's right right right, or
Speaker 1: look and we're and they usually put the monitor pretty
Speaker 1: close to the scene because the director could run out
Speaker 1: real quick and say, hey, I want to do this,
Speaker 1: and so you're just like, you know, biting your knuckle,
Speaker 1: just trying not to laugh sometimes, right. I remember at
Speaker 1: times people would be kicked out of the room. Jence
Speaker 1: Alata specifically comes to mind, like she would just be like,
Speaker 1: would be like, we're doing a time doing a talking
Speaker 1: head and she just couldn't and was like, Jen, leave,
Speaker 1: go find go find a monitor somewhere in another room. Um,
Speaker 1: that's that's really interesting. So James really worked with you before,
Speaker 1: kind of before, during and after. Yeah, there were times
Speaker 1: where I would go into his trailer and we just
Speaker 1: run lines, you know, because I would have some time off,
Speaker 1: or we do it during lunch or whatever, and it
Speaker 1: was great. Um, there were times where you would hand
Speaker 1: me the script say hey, run this with me, or
Speaker 1: or Rain would do that. But you know, these were big,
Speaker 1: meaty dialogues. These are like little mini of like audition
Speaker 1: pre pieces. You know, there were long with a lot
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Speaker 1: the show. And uh and and I did get a
Speaker 1: line on the show, so that was that made it close,
Speaker 1: you know, closer to my heart. But it's a really
Speaker 1: great episode. Now did you know that you were going
Speaker 1: to speak? Was? I don't remember? Were you cast in
Speaker 1: advance of that? No? So, Kelly Can'tley called me to
Speaker 1: say there was a quote unquote a featured background uh
Speaker 1: extra that was going to be at the Benny On
Speaker 1: table and it was not scripted to have any lines
Speaker 1: this character. But she didn't see a reason she didn't.
Speaker 1: I guess she had worked with prepped with Harold Ramus
Speaker 1: the week before and said this person is going to
Speaker 1: have to talk, and so she said it's a good chance.
Speaker 1: So would you want to do it? I go yes? So? Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean it's so funny, right, people go would you
Speaker 1: would you do this for me? Like like you would
Speaker 1: you do this this podcast for me? Yeah? Brian, I'm there. Um.
Speaker 1: And so when when I got on the set um
Speaker 1: it was just doing background. We walked through it and
Speaker 1: in the very first uh rehearsal, Harold Remus came to
Speaker 1: me and said, what wouldn't you want to say something?
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I think so, and so I'll
Speaker 1: deliver a four page monologue for you. Harold, I would.
Speaker 1: I would. It didn't matter. I was like, oh, if
Speaker 1: I just say one word because it's so great. Um.
Speaker 1: And your character's name Justin Spitzer, Justin Spitzer. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: So Justin Spitzer was a writer on the show, and
Speaker 1: they named the character Justine's. Now is this Does this
Speaker 1: get confusing for you with your IMDb page that you're
Speaker 1: you're Justin Spitzer on the office but not the writer
Speaker 1: Justin Spitzer. I don't know. I think it's so funny.
Speaker 1: It is funny. In fact, I remember as I worked
Speaker 1: on the show more and there were a couple other
Speaker 1: times where I could be in front of the camera,
Speaker 1: I just legitimately, and this is probably not the thing
Speaker 1: to do as an actor who's who's basically given some roles.
Speaker 1: I went to Greg Daniels, created the show, and I said,
Speaker 1: how how is this Justin Spitzer character? Now? Part of
Speaker 1: he was at the Benni Hannah Christmas table and nobody
Speaker 1: knew him, but now he's he's in uh the warehouse
Speaker 1: during uh, you know, crime aide, Crime made. Yeah, and um,
Speaker 1: and in an elevator, and and and and Greg always
Speaker 1: had a complete backstory contrived of Yeah, there's no reason
Speaker 1: why this guy couldn't have he's in Scranton, you know
Speaker 1: he could. How many questions that should never be asked
Speaker 1: by an actor? Are you sure I'm needed here? How
Speaker 1: many times did Justin Spitzer appear in the office actually
Speaker 1: being seen? I think, as it was all said and done,
Speaker 1: only three or four times. I think four times you
Speaker 1: can actually see me with dialogue. But then there were
Speaker 1: then for me as an actor, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of voiceovers two that were available because um, there was
Speaker 1: no loop group for the office. Um. A loop group
Speaker 1: is a group of five or six people who go
Speaker 1: into a sound booth and do all the the sounds
Speaker 1: of a crowd, a little individual, Hey over there, and
Speaker 1: grab one of those Hey Patty, good to see you,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. So when the editors
Speaker 1: would be going through and doing rough cuts of the episodes.
Speaker 1: I'd get a text saying, Hey, at lunch, could you
Speaker 1: come over and throw down a line and we'll just
Speaker 1: see if it works. So it could be something on
Speaker 1: a car radio, it could be uh, you know, something
Speaker 1: that was actually usually scripted. But um, he was like,
Speaker 1: just throw it down because I need I need a
Speaker 1: voice to show it to Greg, but they haven't cast
Speaker 1: it yet. So it always gave me a chance to
Speaker 1: do it. And if Greg liked it, he could stay.
Speaker 1: And if a stage it was mine, which is great
Speaker 1: or Laurie or Laurie's you know. So, so I think
Speaker 1: we did end up doing. Um, I just go by
Speaker 1: like the little residuals now, but I think it's like
Speaker 1: eight or nine episodes. But whenever I get whenever I
Speaker 1: get a big whenever I get a big residual check,
Speaker 1: I always think of you, always going, if I'm getting
Speaker 1: a big residual check for that day, you know big
Speaker 1: for me, I'm going, Oh, that's how fun to have
Speaker 1: done a hunt episodes? Um, what was the most challenging
Speaker 1: episode for you to work on? Mm? Hm, wow, that's
Speaker 1: a great question. Um, I can't think of any episodes
Speaker 1: that were mentally or emotionally challenging. Uh, well, oh that's no,
Speaker 1: I have to say Steve's Steve's last episode. You know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say something like it was hot, like
Speaker 1: when we went went out into the woods or something,
Speaker 1: but you know, to be honest, um saying goodbye to Steve.
Speaker 1: It was set up so well for us as a crew.
Speaker 1: On Thursday, you know, Monday, we shot Monday through Friday.
Speaker 1: On Thursday of that week, we went to Ontario Airport
Speaker 1: and shot all the airports stuff and we said goodbye
Speaker 1: to Michael Scott. He got on a plane and left
Speaker 1: and that Friday, the next day was the last day
Speaker 1: for Steve and we were back at the stages. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's when we said goodbye to Steve. UM.
Speaker 1: I was lucky in the fact that in that moment um,
Speaker 1: it was one of these things going, hey, put a
Speaker 1: suit on and show up on the last day because
Speaker 1: I want Greg said, I want to throw you in
Speaker 1: the background somewhere and so um. For those that remember
Speaker 1: Steve's final time and in the office bullpen, he says
Speaker 1: something to Creed and has a great moment with John
Speaker 1: and walks to the elevator and goes down the elevator
Speaker 1: and out to a car and goes to the airport. Well,
Speaker 1: his last scene is walking into that elevator, which is
Speaker 1: not a real elevator. Actually we're on the first floor
Speaker 1: of everything, but the doors just closed and then the
Speaker 1: doors were up on the other stage and we're, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the movie Magic. But um, so they had
Speaker 1: like a FedEx guy type of background character that was
Speaker 1: going to be in the elevator and walk out of
Speaker 1: the elevator as Steve was walking in the elevator, and
Speaker 1: they just put me in with that FedEx guy, and
Speaker 1: so I would walk out the elevator, Steve would walk in,
Speaker 1: and then I just waited in the lobby and the
Speaker 1: doors closed and we waited and held and they'd say
Speaker 1: cut and the doors were open. And that last time
Speaker 1: I remember the doors opened and he's we knew it
Speaker 1: was it And I was the first one, right, I
Speaker 1: was literally six ft away and I just I just
Speaker 1: hugged him. You know, Steve, he didn't he he didn't
Speaker 1: even hesitate. He just hugged me. And it was very emotional,
Speaker 1: very emotional. But that was probably that was probably the toughest.
Speaker 1: The Thursday was really emotional too. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: great it's a great ending for that character. I mean
Speaker 1: it ended up not being the ending, but exactly, but
Speaker 1: you know, he came back, but um what he takes
Speaker 1: the microphone when he takes the Lavalier mike off and
Speaker 1: and that's what she said, and you can't hear him.
Speaker 1: It's it's brilliant. It's really brilliant. And but but watching
Speaker 1: him walk away after Pam says goodbye to him was
Speaker 1: I mean, there wasn't a dry eye in the house,
Speaker 1: but on camera, it's interesting. You were the second to
Speaker 1: the other than Pam. You were the last one to
Speaker 1: pass him by in the elevator. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he um, yeah, it was. It was a special moment
Speaker 1: because we had gotten close, we had all gotten close,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to see this family broken up.
Speaker 1: We we want i mean, not only do you want
Speaker 1: to keep working. You know, we we knew Steve leaving,
Speaker 1: uh was a big part of our show. But he
Speaker 1: was just a wonderful person. He is a wonderful person
Speaker 1: to just have in your life. The greater loss for
Speaker 1: the show Steve Carrell or Michael Scott mhm. For me,
Speaker 1: it's Steve. Um. I can always go back and watch
Speaker 1: Michael Scott. I can always appreciate that character over and over.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a thirteen year old daughter now
Speaker 1: that started binging the office like during a pandemic time,
Speaker 1: and it was like awesome, and we and we get
Speaker 1: to the end. Honestly, those last episodes were very painful
Speaker 1: and emotional, and I was like, oh, and we just
Speaker 1: start back to the pilot and I can. I can
Speaker 1: go back and see that and watch that. But I
Speaker 1: had limited time with Steve. Yeah. Um, So you were
Speaker 1: on the show five to six years, um, which is
Speaker 1: a long time to work with the same group of people.
Speaker 1: How do you feel that the office, the experience that
Speaker 1: people were were different than other things that you've worked on,
Speaker 1: you know? Greg Daniels said, and I think you said
Speaker 1: this in front of everybody. He said that this show
Speaker 1: was really special and that people work their entire career
Speaker 1: and don't get a show like this. Not only nine
Speaker 1: years on a show, but the group of people, and
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate it as as much as I do
Speaker 1: now it It is by far the best show I
Speaker 1: ever worked on because of the people. I got close
Speaker 1: a couple of times. There were a couple of shows
Speaker 1: I worked on like this, this is what a great group,
Speaker 1: but they didn't last and when we didn't have a
Speaker 1: growth together. I mean, you talk about family when you
Speaker 1: when you see uh people having children, getting married, getting divorced,
Speaker 1: having deaths in their family, and you're there for that.
Speaker 1: That's what made the office so special and made us
Speaker 1: also close and why we probably communicate and stay together
Speaker 1: so much. In fact, I just went down to San
Speaker 1: Juan Capistano this weekend, went to a restaurant and Tad Schultz,
Speaker 1: who was one of the producer, like an assistant producer,
Speaker 1: assistant to the producer. I ran into him. He's out,
Speaker 1: he's not even in that part of the business anymore,
Speaker 1: and he lives down in San Juan Capiscano. And I
Speaker 1: was like, and you're just bonded. And I didn't even
Speaker 1: spend that much time with Tad. You know, Tad didn't
Speaker 1: really know a lot of you guys. He's in a
Speaker 1: he's in a trailer and doing all the post stuff
Speaker 1: and and and all that kind of stuff, not the
Speaker 1: actual shooting and um, but anytime I see somebody that
Speaker 1: is from the show, all we can talk about is
Speaker 1: the show, you know. I mean, I ran, I did
Speaker 1: UM actually UM did the finale of Be Positive as
Speaker 1: an actor and I and I was walking back to
Speaker 1: my trailer and ran into Andy Buckley, who was doing
Speaker 1: another show at Warner Brothers. And I knew he had
Speaker 1: to be someplace because there were a lot of PA's
Speaker 1: around him, going uh, Andy, Andy. But we talked for
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes, and there's no way you can
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about you know, golf and football,
Speaker 1: but we talked about just old times and you you
Speaker 1: had a family basically that that was that was born kids,
Speaker 1: I know, I mean Lori and I were both working
Speaker 1: on the show full time until we had our first child,
Speaker 1: and at that point we knew someone was going to
Speaker 1: stay at home and so she did. And there were
Speaker 1: times though, once I had gotten through, because we had
Speaker 1: we had long seasons, um long hours, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: three episodes and long hours, so there were times where
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted some some baby time and my
Speaker 1: wife wanted some adult time. The producers were amazing at
Speaker 1: letting us swap off for weeks of a time where
Speaker 1: Lori could get a break into civilization you know from
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Speaker 1: at least a specific subgroup of people on the show.
Speaker 1: Stephen is the commissioner of the Office Fantasy Football League. Stephen,
Speaker 1: this is a lot of work you're talking about wrangling cats. Uh,
Speaker 1: those those of us, especially the actors on the show.
Speaker 1: Now we're in year what year is this? Now? Seventy season?
Speaker 1: We are about to embark on season seventeen of The
Speaker 1: Office Fantasy Football I can't even believe it. Um. When
Speaker 1: we started this, there was no online draft that happened.
Speaker 1: There was no We started doing the draft on a
Speaker 1: yellow legal pad and the draft would take us weeks.
Speaker 1: There were no no um For those of you who
Speaker 1: do fancy when when it was your turn to draft,
Speaker 1: you got past the yellow legal pad this is and
Speaker 1: then you would have to make your pick. But you
Speaker 1: might be in the middle of a scene, or you
Speaker 1: might be in the middle of standing in and then
Speaker 1: have to go be on book and it could take hours,
Speaker 1: or it could be passed to me and I could
Speaker 1: have gone home for the day. So it's not until
Speaker 1: the next day that we picked back. Yes, um, seventeen
Speaker 1: years you are the commissioner. Are you excited that we're back? Oh?
Speaker 1: Of course. And last year we did. We did have
Speaker 1: some of the guys zoom the draft, which is great.
Speaker 1: So we got to see each other. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: fun and we'll do that again. So I am looking
Speaker 1: forward to that. I do not look forward to the
Speaker 1: wrangling of the cats, as you say. I mean we
Speaker 1: we have a very modest anti in, you know, so
Speaker 1: getting buy in right and getting getting the money from everyone, um,
Speaker 1: isn't It isn't a difficult pay for everyone, but it
Speaker 1: can be really hard to get the money. And to
Speaker 1: be honest, I've paid out without getting everything in. But
Speaker 1: you want to have like you want to make sure
Speaker 1: everyone is is awake here, you know, like I want
Speaker 1: to make sure everything I know, everyone's coming back right.
Speaker 1: But to actually get in touch with twelve other people
Speaker 1: that are doing all different things and almost half our
Speaker 1: our group or actors that could be anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe not now with the pandemic is as much.
Speaker 1: But I remember trying to get John and John can
Speaker 1: be one of the hardest ones to get and oh,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding and uh and I'm emailing and texting and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking these things are going to go through.
Speaker 1: And there was one time where he didn't get back
Speaker 1: to me for a few days and he said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of the Amazon shooting something. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I had no WiFi. Um. Okay, So seventeen years now
Speaker 1: it is there is really in the last I don't
Speaker 1: know eight to ten years, we haven't really had any turnover.
Speaker 1: But who are the guys who are in now? Myself,
Speaker 1: Rain Wilson, John Krasinski previously mentioned, Uh you, Andy Buckley,
Speaker 1: Andy Buckley, that's right, David Wallace, Owen Ellickson, Alex writer,
Speaker 1: Warren Lieberstein, the writer. Yes, Mike Bertolina who was props
Speaker 1: of the time, he's as now. Yes, Chris Workman who
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, but he is um he's a camera
Speaker 1: operator now but he was camera assistant at the time
Speaker 1: of the show. H Lee Kirk join his husband husband.
Speaker 1: He qualified because he directed an episode. He directed an episode. Uh,
Speaker 1: Nick Carbone sound department. And Greg Uberaga, who was one
Speaker 1: of our favorite pas on the show and he Greg
Speaker 1: is now a Marshal at the Park golf course. Yes,
Speaker 1: as one of his jobs, and I know he's loving it.
Speaker 1: He's an incredible he's an incredible golfer. Yes, he's way
Speaker 1: better than me. Um okay, who has one the office
Speaker 1: league the most times? There's no doubt that are most
Speaker 1: celebrated player or manager is Warren Lieberstein. He did not
Speaker 1: start until two thousand twelve. He didn't, which I when
Speaker 1: I look back, I forgot he won his first year.
Speaker 1: He must be cheating. And then he had just had
Speaker 1: a three year streak a couple of years ago. So
Speaker 1: he's he's won four times, um, and and then he
Speaker 1: got a second place, So he's he's placed five times
Speaker 1: out of nine seasons. How many times have I won?
Speaker 1: You have not won, Brian, but you have. It feels
Speaker 1: like you actually had the You had the distinction of
Speaker 1: placing in the top three the most, the most I've
Speaker 1: placed the most. I'm in the money twice you have
Speaker 1: gotten second place, and twice you've gotten in third place.
Speaker 1: So four, well, then then that must mean I'm at
Speaker 1: least tied with Warren's won four times. Oh, I meant place,
Speaker 1: but not one. I've given Warren the award and you're
Speaker 1: not Warren. Okay place. Aside from Warren, I've placed in
Speaker 1: the top I've placed second and third the most, y second,
Speaker 1: third the most. But good news is Um Kazynski's never won.
Speaker 1: I remember that was that was something that that Rain
Speaker 1: always would dig him about rain one, rain one twice
Speaker 1: on the third place one time. Yes, okay, what about
Speaker 1: you have you won? You've won? I won in two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, and then I've I've taken second place twice
Speaker 1: in third place once. Okay, I mean, this is what
Speaker 1: do the Cubs say? This is my year? You're always there, Brian,
Speaker 1: You're always right there. I mean to think that the
Speaker 1: two times that you were in second place, you want
Speaker 1: the championship game twice, right, just one game away from
Speaker 1: the championship game. Two other times, I feel like we're
Speaker 1: just nice to me. I know, I have to tell
Speaker 1: you it is. It is heartbreaking when, like I said,
Speaker 1: I've I've come in second place twice as well, and
Speaker 1: when I've lost that game, it's usually around Christmas time.
Speaker 1: It ruins my Christmas. I know it probably ruins the
Speaker 1: Christmas for my family. Is Um, how did you? How
Speaker 1: did you get to be a commissioner. It was because
Speaker 1: nobody else wanted it. That's probably right, to be honest,
Speaker 1: and and I did want it. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: fantasy football. It's really besides the corralling of everybody and
Speaker 1: dispensing of a little bit of money. But I'm able
Speaker 1: to be a facilitator of us staying together. It really
Speaker 1: is fantastic because there's a lot of ribbing that goes
Speaker 1: on between us. We're close like families, so there's a
Speaker 1: there's no holds bar actually um and but that that's
Speaker 1: been a great way for us to stay together. I
Speaker 1: mean we, like I said, we run into Andy Buckley.
Speaker 1: We talked about old times, but we talked about football,
Speaker 1: and I had to be the biggest part of that
Speaker 1: as I could. Yeah. Well, I will say that last year,
Speaker 1: I mean, who knew what zoom? Well, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what zoom was before you know this nonsense that happened.
Speaker 1: But that was really fun that we kind of finally
Speaker 1: did the draft. I know that one year we drafted
Speaker 1: from the computers. Yeah, on the bullpen set of the
Speaker 1: office when we were shooting the Office. We drafted from
Speaker 1: the computers once or twice. Yeah, Well, I remember one
Speaker 1: time and uh, I think we brought like a six
Speaker 1: pack of beer. There was some beer. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: some two beers maybe maybe just a couple. Um. It
Speaker 1: was fun. But other than that that us getting together
Speaker 1: last year, that was that was really fun. So the
Speaker 1: reigning champion who won last year, Andy Buckley, he beat
Speaker 1: Warren in the finals, Andy Buckley. Now that he's definitely cheating, right,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem like, you know, when his son
Speaker 1: helps him, his son, his son, I think the actual uh,
Speaker 1: the name that you registered as I believe is a
Speaker 1: son's name. So he's using his son's account, I think.
Speaker 1: But I think he's getting I think he's getting some
Speaker 1: some help. But uh, what are some of our best
Speaker 1: team names? I know that Chris Workman was a big
Speaker 1: forty Niners fan. Oh he had so many different about Gore,
Speaker 1: Yeah Gore no more when Gore left. And then mine's
Speaker 1: always been you know, Stephen Socks. I've always been socks
Speaker 1: it to him and original, cute, clever. Now I guess
Speaker 1: this makes me like a fuddy duddy. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I just used the term fuddy duddy. I have been bombers.
Speaker 1: I just bombed. I don't know I never do Rain.
Speaker 1: He gets really into the names. Usually it's something slightly perverted. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's had I don't know what your rating is on
Speaker 1: your podcast, and it doesn't matter. He's had cut my
Speaker 1: balls for a but Cooper Cup, you know you could
Speaker 1: be for for a couple of years. Um, but he
Speaker 1: just changed it to cut my footballs. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's maybe getting I don't know, he's cleaning,
Speaker 1: he's cleaning it up. I don't know. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you've always been b B bombers. And I'd say Rain
Speaker 1: is the biggest trash talker Rain is, And Rain loves
Speaker 1: to send you the crappiest trade offers. Oh my god, ever,
Speaker 1: like you're going to bite on that, like or he's
Speaker 1: getting a trade offer from someone else. And he'll come
Speaker 1: to me and say, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: And I'm going why would? Why am I helping you?
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm the commissioner. Second of all, I'm
Speaker 1: playing against you in the in the standings. So I've
Speaker 1: learned actually to help him, uh, you know, in my
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Speaker 1: we're unique in a way, and this is because I
Speaker 1: am in other leagues, and I think that the biggest
Speaker 1: benefit of us and it being seventeen years is there's
Speaker 1: really no there's no controversy, right, Like it feels like
Speaker 1: in other leagues it's like, well, how many days do
Speaker 1: you get to accept a draft or how many players
Speaker 1: or this or that, Like there's just kind of no
Speaker 1: nonsense and that all of that stuff has kind of
Speaker 1: gone away. There's really no controversy, and the draft order
Speaker 1: is uniquely determined by always my kids, we always grab
Speaker 1: I had a dunder Mifflin hat. We've gotten so many
Speaker 1: over the years, right, and put everybody's name in a hat,
Speaker 1: and my kids take turns pulling the the names out
Speaker 1: of hat, and we always the you know, the first
Speaker 1: the first pull will be positioned twelve and will go
Speaker 1: all down to the first pick, which is funny because
Speaker 1: I have one other league where he'll he'll do a
Speaker 1: very similar thing and the first hat is number one,
Speaker 1: And I've always had this like problem with that. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. You never say who won first,
Speaker 1: and then let's let's talk about two, three to twelve.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you do anything. You would never
Speaker 1: they don't give the award first place first, and then
Speaker 1: and then everybody you know, oh, let's wait around for
Speaker 1: a second players and goes to now let me give
Speaker 1: you the nominees. No, it made no sense. So I've
Speaker 1: been picked, uh, you know, last to be twelve in
Speaker 1: that league, and I've been like, I should have been
Speaker 1: the first pick. But it's a pretty unique way, and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a really great way to get my
Speaker 1: kids involved in enjoying that and and just seeing the
Speaker 1: age of the kids as the progress because I'll I'll
Speaker 1: videotape it and send and send it out to everybody
Speaker 1: and at least gives a chance for everyone to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we are we are getting old. Yes what? Um, I
Speaker 1: know the answer to this question. But who's your football team?
Speaker 1: The New Orleans Saints from New Orleans originally from New Orleans. Yes,
Speaker 1: New Orleans. You've got Rain, big Seahawks, John Big Patriots.
Speaker 1: I might have the Green Bay Packers represented. And I
Speaker 1: would say we are kind of homers in that way. Now,
Speaker 1: not a hundred percent, because we all we do take
Speaker 1: it seriously, but I would say that we all try
Speaker 1: to get at least somebody. I definitely try to get
Speaker 1: somebody from the Saints, which has been easy the last
Speaker 1: you know, a few years with their their offense. You know,
Speaker 1: if it's not Drew Brees, I want to get Kamara
Speaker 1: or I want to get Michael Thomas and that kind
Speaker 1: of hurt me last year. But um, but you know,
Speaker 1: I want to be in this group. I want to win.
Speaker 1: But I also we have such a great time. Like
Speaker 1: when you talk about how there's no controversy, I think
Speaker 1: of like you just kids on the playground, right, you
Speaker 1: show up, you got you got a basketball and there's
Speaker 1: a hoop and we're just playing. That's what we want.
Speaker 1: We want to have fun, So grabbing one of our
Speaker 1: players he has definitely a thing we want to do.
Speaker 1: Even if it's not maybe the smartest draft choice. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll move up the draft for a hometown player most definitely. Right. Okay,
Speaker 1: my my producer came up with these, uh this idea.
Speaker 1: Let's see how well you or I do? All right,
Speaker 1: if you were to hold a draft with just office characters,
Speaker 1: who would you draft first? And what position would they play?
Speaker 1: Craig Robinson fullback because no one's stopping him. Okay, that's fair,
Speaker 1: that's all right, that's fair. What do you think Kevin's
Speaker 1: position would be? Although see you said Craig Robinson, but
Speaker 1: you mean Darryl Philbin. Oh yes, I'm sorry, Darryl Philbin.
Speaker 1: What do you think Kevin would play? I think Kevin
Speaker 1: Malone would have to be uh deceptively athletic, remember, yes,
Speaker 1: and and offensive linemen are and that's where I would
Speaker 1: put him because you need someone that's going to have
Speaker 1: legs like tree trunks that are set in the ground
Speaker 1: and stable, and that's your that was your persona on
Speaker 1: the show, a stable, physical person, almost an immovable object
Speaker 1: at times. So I could see the focus of Kevin
Speaker 1: just being I'm I'm going to block block and I
Speaker 1: could see that nothing to complicated. I think that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a that's a um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's a that would be a standard response.
Speaker 1: I think, what do you think if Well, I think
Speaker 1: if you were a writer on the office, it would
Speaker 1: probably there would probably be a final play in the
Speaker 1: game and somehow Kevin would run by everyone and catch
Speaker 1: a long touchdown. That would be that would be where
Speaker 1: they're there would go. Who would who would get kicked
Speaker 1: out of the game first? Oh, boy, b J. Probably
Speaker 1: I mean Ryan Howard, okay, fair enough, he'd piss off somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I could see uh, I could see Meredith
Speaker 1: Palmer doing something where she just would have to be
Speaker 1: removed from the from the game. Yeah, well, there are
Speaker 1: substance abuse there, There might be testing, it might fail,
Speaker 1: some sort of test. Um. Who who would be the
Speaker 1: m v P. Michael Scott, He'd be our he'd be
Speaker 1: the quarterback, the fearless leader. For as ridiculous as some
Speaker 1: of the pleas would turn out to be, and as
Speaker 1: nonsensical as they would turn out to be, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you knew it was an honest
Speaker 1: choice and it probably fooled the hell out of the
Speaker 1: other team. Well, that's true, because it would make very
Speaker 1: little sense sometimes, and somehow I think it would It
Speaker 1: would be Jim. I don't know how, but it would
Speaker 1: be Jim. Well that's you've been seeing those pictures of
Speaker 1: his abs. Well, yeah, exactly, kidding me. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: so we may come back and we may talk about
Speaker 1: this now. Our draft is coming up very soon. We
Speaker 1: get a lot of questions. I get a lot of
Speaker 1: questions directly, like, I'm an expert. I've been doing it
Speaker 1: seventeen years. You've just heard I've never won. But we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the league once we have the player set.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? That sounds great. I
Speaker 1: always love talking fancy with you. I love it now. Uh, Steve, Sorry,
Speaker 1: before I let you go. I know you have a
Speaker 1: podcast of your own called If We Knew Then, UM,
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that. If We Knew Then. Yes.
Speaker 1: Liam was born in two thousand ten with Down syndrome
Speaker 1: UM and it was an incredibly frightening time for us.
Speaker 1: We when when Liam was born, we didn't know very
Speaker 1: much about down standroom or diversity inclusion, all these words
Speaker 1: that we hear today and and um. But most of
Speaker 1: the information we had about down syndrome was not very positive.
Speaker 1: It was certainly not hopeful. And so we were really
Speaker 1: looking for a place where parents could hear those stories
Speaker 1: of accomplishments and and and also get useful information, you
Speaker 1: know about therapies or educational supports, but um, but just
Speaker 1: to hear positive messages and and we initially thought that
Speaker 1: these things were going to be totally geared to the
Speaker 1: down Sturgeon community, but we've, I guess, through constantly learning
Speaker 1: and evolving, we've realized that so many of our guests
Speaker 1: have given information that's needed by all parents and and
Speaker 1: it's helped us with both our kids. We just recently
Speaker 1: talked to an attorney about family trusts. Uh we we
Speaker 1: we talk about the importance of self care for parents.
Speaker 1: Uh through guided meditation was one way. We had a
Speaker 1: pediatric dentist on just about introducing your child too two
Speaker 1: healthy dental routine, you know, and uh we had a
Speaker 1: Zen Buddhist on the Zen Buddhist priest on the show
Speaker 1: about talking about fear. I mean that's the main thing.
Speaker 1: We were only scared of the unknown and fearful of
Speaker 1: that because we don't know it right. So the more
Speaker 1: information we can gather, the less fear we have. And
Speaker 1: these things benefit all parents and really to get down
Speaker 1: to it though, even the stories that are more specific
Speaker 1: to Down syndrome we all learned from. We interviewed a
Speaker 1: couple of times Chris nikitch Uh he is the first
Speaker 1: person with downstad and the Finish and iron Man he
Speaker 1: won the Jimmy v Award on the SPS recently, and
Speaker 1: um and and how he broke through stereotypes. And we
Speaker 1: had a young dentistry student from Syria, sod er Issa,
Speaker 1: who was raised by a father who has Down syndrome.
Speaker 1: I mean his father has been married for thirty years,
Speaker 1: goes to work every day to support his family and
Speaker 1: or siblings. Like we've had our daughter on. One of
Speaker 1: the things that we see the most is that parents
Speaker 1: is so worried for the other kids or the other
Speaker 1: family members, Like what's the repercussions? Is the thought process,
Speaker 1: What's what's what's going to happen to these to the kids?
Speaker 1: We have and overwhelmingly we found that it's it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful experience. Uh. We we got a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to Steve Guffinson from ten Thousand Maniacs and he had
Speaker 1: his his sister Cathy had Down syndrome, and we talked
Speaker 1: to him about what he learned about her, and and
Speaker 1: many people from the entertainment industry to to talk about
Speaker 1: the importance of inclusion in media, and that is that
Speaker 1: is a big hashtag right now, inclusion, and it is
Speaker 1: very important for the disability community as well. Um. But
Speaker 1: we talked to Julian Robinson. She's the EP of bridget
Speaker 1: And and that show has broken a lot of barriers.
Speaker 1: But she also did a movie about an adult with
Speaker 1: Down syndrome. So so yes, the podcast focuses on Down
Speaker 1: syndrome and I highly recommend sharing it with anyone you
Speaker 1: know who has someone with Down syndrom in their life.
Speaker 1: But I think in doing it, I've realized how much
Speaker 1: we can learn from each other, especially you know, from
Speaker 1: people we assumed we're very very different from ourselves, you know,
Speaker 1: and and we really aren't all that different. And it
Speaker 1: gets down to it, I mean that that's inclusion and
Speaker 1: the more we include those stories, tell those stories. The
Speaker 1: more we include all the people in our society to
Speaker 1: join the table, to join the discussion, to truly be
Speaker 1: a voice in our society, the better we all are.
Speaker 1: Right if we knew. Then A podcast from Stephen and
Speaker 1: his and his wife Laurie for what it's worth. Some
Speaker 1: of my favorite days on set. We're when and people's
Speaker 1: kids who were either born during the show or not
Speaker 1: came in. Sophia leam Walter. We talked about before Rain's kid.
Speaker 1: Um just Angela's Angela's daughter, Angela's daughter. Well, she basically
Speaker 1: lived there, right, totally lived in the trailer. She never
Speaker 1: went home. Um, no, Isabelle that of course it's not true. Um. Stephen,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming and talking to me.
Speaker 1: You had a very significant and important role on the show,
Speaker 1: but also you were an important part of our dundermth
Speaker 1: and family. And uh, I want you to know you, Lori,
Speaker 1: your kids, all of you are are very special to me.
Speaker 1: And uh, and I appreciate you coming in. I appreciate
Speaker 1: all of the work that you do keeping Fantasy football
Speaker 1: lead going and and I love you and appreciate you.
Speaker 1: And let's talk some more. Throughout the season. I love you, Brian,
Speaker 1: all right, definitely, thanks for um, thanks for just bringing
Speaker 1: back some amazing memories. I mean, it's it do's not
Speaker 1: often that we get to like sit down and really
Speaker 1: like talk about you know, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: ever knew any that way I got on the show
Speaker 1: or anything, and and it's just neat to hear that
Speaker 1: stuff and and and and to say and to say
Speaker 1: that stuff. Really, it's really fantastic. Thank you, Thanks buddy,
Speaker 1: Thank you all right. Stephen a k A sucks it
Speaker 1: to me. Uh, Steven, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: in to talk to me today. We're gonna have you
Speaker 1: back throughout the season to keep us posted on on
Speaker 1: how how the competitors are faring, how are our teams
Speaker 1: are doing this year. Also catch Stephen and his wife
Speaker 1: Laurie on their podcast If We Knew Then, where they
Speaker 1: talk about their family parenting and they do incredible work
Speaker 1: raising down syndrome awareness. Also keep listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: The Office Deep Dive for future updates about the Office
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football League. Until next time, we will see you, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see you on Tuesday. The Office Deep Dive is
Speaker 1: hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our
Speaker 1: executive producer Langley. Our producers for this episode are Liz Hayes,
Speaker 1: Emily Carr and Diego Topiar and our intern is Hannah Harris.
Speaker 1: My main man in the booth is Colin Tadeshi. Our
Speaker 1: theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by my great friend
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