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Speaker 1: And welcome back to another edition of Is this a

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Speaker 1: Great Game or What? With the Hall of Famer Tim Kirkchen.

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Speaker 1: I'm his son, Jeff Kirkchhin. Dad, we just had July

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Speaker 1: the fourth Independence Day, two hundred and fiftieth birthday of

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Speaker 1: our country. That was yesterday. We're recording on July fifth

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Speaker 1: for your Monday morning after a holiday weekend. So I

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Speaker 1: know it's a slow Monday morning for those listening this morning.

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Speaker 2: But what a great holiday it was.

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Speaker 3: Dad, it was. We came to Lake Burton in outside

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Speaker 3: of Atlanta. We saw fireworks. We did not do water

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Speaker 3: We had a great time. It was so much fun,

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Speaker 3: and it was great baseball all weekend. A quick shout

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Speaker 3: out to a couple guys. Hutch from Vegas who's always

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Speaker 3: chiming in. Guy, he's got some good So he mentioned

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Speaker 3: in the Freedom two fifty that the Dodgers on July

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Speaker 3: two fifty day. That's that's pretty good, right, Jeff. That's

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Speaker 3: Freddy Freeman. Yeah, Freeman and free Land starting for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good, right, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's a great

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Speaker 3: That was good for Hutch And you know last week,

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Speaker 3: of course, we gave you the all to fifty team.

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Speaker 3: Bo Jackson was a two fifty hitter. Eric Kratz weighs

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty pounds. Everyone on the team, Tim

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Speaker 3: was a two fifty. But Steve Sparks, who just continues

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Speaker 3: to amaze us. Steve Sparks sent me this note the

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Speaker 3: other day that the combined home runs of Red Chandeas,

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Speaker 3: Frank White and Vita Blue is two hundred and fifty Red, White,

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Speaker 3: White and Blue Blue. Ah, Jeff, Steve said, are really clever.

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Speaker 3: That is really clever. I wish I could come up

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Speaker 3: with things like that. But good for Steve Sparks to

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Speaker 3: always adding to the show because he's always texting me

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Speaker 3: some ridiculous thing that is so fun and so good.

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Speaker 3: It's so great.

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Speaker 2: That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Well, Steve Sparks, when he joined our show, he asked,

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Speaker 1: does this make me a seam head?

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Speaker 2: And we said absolutely with.

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Speaker 1: All the statuere sharing, of course, seamhead incredible, right.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jeff, But as we look forward, who is

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Speaker 3: our guest tomorrow, explain, Well.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, we're really excited we have Will Xalatoris, who is

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Speaker 1: a PGA Tour golfer and a great one at that.

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Speaker 1: And Dad, I have to say, we did not know

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Speaker 1: Will personally before having him on the show, but I

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Speaker 1: saw him liking and commenting on a lot of our Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Posts and videos and all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can follow us at great Game or what for

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Speaker 1: all these great videos that we post from the podcast,

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, he really knows what he's

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Speaker 1: talking about. He likes a lot of stuff he's commenting.

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Speaker 1: So I, as the kids say, slid into his DMS

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Speaker 1: the first thing he wrote back was I have a

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Speaker 1: Tim Kirkchin story to share.

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Speaker 2: I said, all right, let's do it. And he was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: We did an hour with him. Dad could have done

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Speaker 1: four hours with him. He was so fascinating And everybody'll

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Speaker 3: This is really cool, right And as a tribute to

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Speaker 3: Will zalatorus the team Tim this week, Will kind of

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Speaker 3: And we also have Jeff. We've got the commissioner of

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Speaker 3: Is this a great game or what? Mike Sure, Yes, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I find it extremely flattering that, on top of creating

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Speaker 1: shows that will live on forever, forever, he is deciding

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Speaker 1: So he has some words that he wants to chime in.

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Speaker 1: We have a voice note from him that will play

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Speaker 3: being fourteen and ten is not four games over five hundred,

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Speaker 3: it's two games over five hundred, because five hundred is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's factoring in that you've played twenty four games,

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Speaker 1: So we went to you know, we're going to dive

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Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to debating this with you, Dad,

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Speaker 3: We've heard the voicemail Jeff and how he what he

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Speaker 1: to be doing a fireside chat on August twenty second,

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Speaker 3: He's great. And we're going to try to raise some

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jeff, we just had the All Star selections and

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Speaker 3: Is that is that great?

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Speaker 6: Or what?

434
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Speaker 1: That is the most? That is so crazy to believe.

435
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's real.

436
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: It's absurd. July the fourth is his stay. Pinch hit him,

437
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: Let's go, it's his stay.

438
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Speaker 3: To hit right. I love it, Okay. Dalton Rushing of

439
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: the Dodgers went four for four out of the number

440
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: eight spot the other day. He's the first I've found

441
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: this interesting. First Dodger since Bobby Valentine in nineteen seventy

442
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: one to go four for four out of the eighth

443
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: spot for the Dodgers. And let's see, let's see if

444
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: you can remember Bobby Valentine's story about his manager, Walter Alston.

445
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: Walter Alston, let's be clear, is a Hall of Fame manager,

446
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: one of the best managers of all time, and he

447
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: worked on a one year contract for his entire career

448
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 3: and when he was done, he said, you know, it's

449
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: time for me to go. So remember the story that

450
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: Bobby told us about Walter Alston when Bobby made the

451
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Speaker 3: team for the first time. You remember, so you.

452
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: His name, about what he has called? Yes, I do remember.

453
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 3: You got to tell you, Jeff. They had the welcome

454
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: home luncheon for the Dodgers one year and Walter Alston

455
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: gets up and introduces, this is our team. Names all

456
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Speaker 3: the players. You know, here's Steve Garvey whatever.

457
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: And aren't all the families invited to So this is

458
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: like the families of the new players are there.

459
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: Right, It's a big deal. So Walter Alson called him

460
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: Billy Valentine has made the team, Billy Valentine. And then

461
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: Bobby told me that later on that year, his parents,

462
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 3: Bobby's parents come to see him play in a road

463
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: game and they're in the elevator with Walter Alston. It's

464
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: mister and missus Valentine, Bobby Valentine and Walter Alston. And

465
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Speaker 3: Walter looks at mister and missus Valentine it says, your son,

466
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Speaker 3: Billy is doing a really good job this year. They

467
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 3: were standing right there. Oh God, Fortunatelyobby Valdi, who has

468
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: such a great sense of humor, is able to laugh

469
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: all the way through that. And you need a good,

470
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: good sense of humor to play this game, all right.

471
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: The Maritors played their seven thousand, eight hundred and fifty

472
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 3: second game the other day, and for the first time

473
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Speaker 3: in the history of the franchise, they won a game

474
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Speaker 3: one to nothing on a basis loaded walk. I mean,

475
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: you don't see too many walk off bases loaded walks,

476
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 3: but interestingly, there have been five of them in the

477
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 3: last two years, five and in the previous ten years

478
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: there were zero, So I don't know what that means.

479
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's just a statistical anomaly. But for the

480
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: first time in the history of the Mariners they won

481
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: a game one to nothing on a walk off walk.

482
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Speaker 3: Do you like that?

483
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Speaker 2: I love that. First time, first time for everything.

484
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty cool, first time for everything. We had Jordan

485
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: Wisi not the first time, but on the same day

486
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: the other day, Jordan Wicks of the Cubs got a

487
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Speaker 3: save in a game in which his team won twenty

488
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: three to three. So his team won by two runs

489
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: and he got the save. That's the twenty second time

490
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Speaker 3: in Major League history. Well this is since nineteen sixty

491
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Speaker 3: nine that a player got a save and when his

492
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: team scored at least twenty runs in the game. And

493
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 3: it's happened one other time this year, so it's not

494
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Speaker 3: as odd as it seems to be. Of course, Famously,

495
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: you know, Wes Lyttleton got a save in that game

496
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Speaker 3: when the Rangers beat the Orioles thirty to three, And.

497
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Speaker 1: If you were at your home office right now, you'd

498
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Speaker 1: have a box office or a box score of it

499
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Speaker 1: in your office.

500
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Speaker 2: You have it, and it's huge. It's huge, it's.

501
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: Mass it's huge, it's great. Yeah. Right. And on the

502
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: same day, Jeff Patrick Corban got a five inning save.

503
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: So that's the fifth pitcher in the wildcard eras that's

504
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: mid nineties on to get a five inning saved. So

505
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: in the same day we had a guy who got

506
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Speaker 3: a save in a game that his team won by

507
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Speaker 3: twenty runs, and another guy had a five save. All right, Jeff.

508
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 3: The Cubs were all over it this week, you know,

509
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: we saw that. You know, they won a game by

510
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 3: fifteen runs. Oh well, they won by twenty runs. But

511
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: the next game they lost to the Cardinals by fifteen runs.

512
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: So they became the second team ever Jeff to win

513
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: a game by fifteen runs and then the next game

514
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: they lost a game by fifteen or more runs. And

515
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: the last time that happened the Boston bean Eaters over

516
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: the Chicago Colts in ninety four, and Jeff, that is.

517
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: Eighteen ninety four.

518
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: Wow, it's just so good. And as we know, Dance

519
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: by Swanson went absolutely crazy. It's three homers knocked in

520
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 3: eight runs out of the number nine spot. I did

521
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: not look this up myself, but I saw on the

522
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: MLB network that Tony Klooninger, a pitcher, is the only

523
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: player to drive in nine or more runs in the

524
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: ninth spot in a game. So the only guy who

525
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 3: did had more RBIs in one game hitting ninth than

526
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: Dance by Swanson was Tony Kloaninger, who hit two Grand

527
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: slams in one game in nineteen sixty six. And I repeat,

528
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: he's a pitcher. Pretty cool, huh, pretty neat?

529
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible Dancy danceby Swanson just in general, that

530
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: game was insane to watch just then, and.

531
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Speaker 2: His last was so hard. Oh go ahead.

532
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. His last homer, of course was against a position player,

533
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: which people want to say that really doesn't count. Yes,

534
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: it counts he had a home run in a major

535
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 3: league game. I don't care if you were pitching, Jeff.

536
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: A homer is a homer, and Swanson, by the way,

537
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: Jeff drove in twenty six runs in a ten game span.

538
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: The only other players in the history of baseball to

539
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: have twenty six RBIs in any ten gamespan. Where Luke Garritt,

540
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: Joe DiMaggio, Jimmy Foxx Mel Ott, and Dansby Swanson. Now, look,

541
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: he's a good player, Jeff, but those are four Hall

542
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: of Famer fam four of the best hitters of all time,

543
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: and dance By Swanson join that list. I tell you

544
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: all the time, Jeff, these lists can only happen in

545
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: baseball because the basketball list always include Lebron, James, Michael Jordan,

546
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: wil Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and you just don't have

547
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: some outlier on that list. It just can't happen. But

548
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: in baseball it does all the time. You agree. You

549
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: love that part, right, I.

550
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 2: Love that part. That's what makes baseball so unique and

551
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: so different.

552
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: And I love talking when you talk to major leaguers,

553
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: former major leaguers, but who basically had a cup of tea,

554
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, guess what I can say is

555
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: a part of my record. I think of so many

556
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: of our guests that are that way. All right, Dad,

557
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: on this state in baseball history, what do you have?

558
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: All Right? Not as many this week as usual, But

559
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: on July sixth, nineteen eighty three, fred Linn hit a

560
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: Grand Slam off Attlee Hammerker of the Giants, and the

561
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: American League won the All Star Game. It is still

562
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: the only Grand Slam in the history of the All

563
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: Star Game? Does that, Jeff? We've been playing nineteen thirty three,

564
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: so we're you know, there aren't that many games, even

565
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: though it's nineteen thirty three, but only one Grand Slam.

566
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: That still surprises me, right.

567
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: It's shocking.

568
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: And Dad, remember they used to play two All Star

569
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Games back in the day, right, So that's I mean, yeah,

570
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: you think nineteen thirty three, okay, almost one hundred games,

571
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: but I mean it's more than one hundred games because there.

572
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: Was two for quite a few years.

573
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Speaker 1: So when you look at like Willie Mays, how many

574
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: All Stars did he make? Listen, he's a Hall of Famer,

575
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players to do it, but he

576
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: played in two All Star Games multiple years. That's why

577
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: he's so many All Star selections, right.

578
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: We love that. I'll never forget watching Fred Linn run

579
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 3: around the basis, Jeff pumping his right arm that he

580
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: had hit a Grand Slam. And again, I just love

581
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: it that the game used to matter more than it

582
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: does today. I love the All Star Game. I'm not

583
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: missing it. It's a tremendous celebration of baseball. But just

584
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: another reminder. In nineteen eighty three, guys really cared whether

585
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: they won or lost the All Star Game. Not quite

586
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: that way these days. And frankly, I'm okay with it.

587
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: It's an exhibition game and that's it, all right, Jeff.

588
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: On this date in nineteen eighty six, Bob Horner hit

589
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: four home runs in one game. You know, Bob Horner

590
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: recently died, one of the best hitters. You know, went

591
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: straight from Arizona State to the major league, spent no

592
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: time in the minor leagues. Those short, strong arms could

593
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: not beat him on the inside part of the plate,

594
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: you know. Rip again to Bob Horner on this date

595
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty six, four homers in one game, And

596
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: Jeff on this date in nineteen ninety Whitey Herzog resigned

597
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: as the manager of the Cardinals. Now, Whitey Herzog did

598
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: some amazing things as the manager of the Cardinals, but

599
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: it's a lesson here, Jeff is He later acknowledged that

600
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: the players had just stopped listening to him and he

601
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: couldn't get the best out of them anymore, and he

602
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: was angry. He was just acknowledging that maybe I'm not

603
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: right to do this anymore, because if the players aren't

604
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: listening to me, then I can't do my job properly.

605
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: So I thought it was a very honest appraisal by

606
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: Whitey Herzog to say time for me to go because

607
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: they're not listening to me anymore. And that happens, right,

608
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: It happens now more than ever.

609
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Jeff Right, real tough pill to swallow, but it takes

610
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: a real man and a real manager to recognize that

611
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: incredible all.

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00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: Right, last one, Jeff. On this date in nineteen forty two,

613
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: dale Ford was born. Dale Ford is an umpire and

614
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: a former umpire. And only I wouldn't say only I

615
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: would have a dale Ford story. But as you know, Jeff,

616
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: I play no fantasy leagues. Whatsoever, I can't do fantasy baseball.

617
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: It takes too much time and I find it to

618
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: be a conflict of interest. But for three years I

619
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: was in an umpire ejection fantasy league at ESPN, that's right.

620
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: And you were there, Jeff, for one of the drafts,

621
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Speaker 3: do you remember. Yeah. And jud Birch, my dear friend

622
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: who used to work at ESPN and the greatest umpire

623
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: expert I've ever seen. It's scary how much jud Birch

624
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: knows about umpire as well. He couldn't get in a

625
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: baseball fantasy league because he loved the Phillies so much

626
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: that he couldn't bear to draft anyone on his team

627
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: who wasn't a member of the Phillies. And he couldn't

628
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: root for anyone, couldn't root against anybody on another team

629
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: if he's a Philly, because he loves the Phillies that much.

630
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: So he put together the umpire Ejection Fantasy league. And

631
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Speaker 3: I'm getting to the story here, Jeff. You've draft five

632
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: umpires at the beginning of the season, and whoever has

633
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: the most ejections at the end of the year, that's

634
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: who wins. And Ed Vargo used to be a manager,

635
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: so no one will ever get this, But my name

636
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: for my team was fill thine horn with Oil and

637
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: because right, because fill thine horn with oil and go

638
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: is in the Bible. But since I'm not exactly a

639
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: Bible expert, I changed the name to my team to

640
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 3: fill thine Horn with Oil and Vargo. So I'm getting

641
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: to the point, Jef. I was doing baseball tonight one

642
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: night with Steve Berthune who was in the Umpire Fantasy

643
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: Ejection League, and dale Ford was one of his umpires.

644
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: And Bert, who was so funny. Now he does Diamondbacks games.

645
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: He announces on the air, Dale Dale, whenever you're ready

646
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: to throw somebody out of a game, please just just

647
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: go ahead. I need your help. And that night, that night,

648
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: dale Ford threw somebody out of a game. And because

649
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: Steve berth you like, begged him to do it. So

650
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: that's that's this date in baseball history. Jeff, We've got

651
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: Fred Lend, Bob Horner, whiteyheir Zog, and an umpire dale Ford.

652
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: All right, Dad, the wheel wheel off Kirkchin. All right,

653
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: we're back with the wheel of Kirkchin. Your suggestions, great

654
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: game or what dot com? We're gonna spin the wheel

655
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: and whatever comes up. My dad's gonna have to riff

656
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: off a story.

657
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: Here we go baby delivery. Wow.

658
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: So I remember this one came through the website when

659
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: my wife had our son body and they were like,

660
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: there has to be some good stories about that.

661
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: Well, the best one was the nineteen ninety World Series.

662
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: The Reds are playing the Oakland A's in the World

663
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: Series and Tom Browning's wife Tom Brownie, really, the late

664
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: Tom Brownie, What a great guy he was. His wife

665
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: was pregnant and she was in Oakland for the World

666
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: Series because the Reds were in Oakland for the World Series.

667
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: So Tom Brownie is ready to go to the hospital

668
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 3: as soon as his wife calls him and says, all right,

669
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: let's go. So it's about halfway through a World Series

670
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: game in Oakland and Tom Brownie gets the call I'm

671
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: in the hospital, So he leaves the ballpark. He's a

672
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 3: starting pitcher, okay, so he's not supposed to pitch that night.

673
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: But as it turns out, the game gets really complicated

674
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: and Lou Panella, the manager of the Reds, calls down

675
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: to the bullpen I mean and says, you better get

676
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: Browning ready. We might need him for extra innings and

677
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: they had to tell Loup Panela Tom Browny's not here.

678
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 3: He went to the hospital. His wife is having a baby.

679
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: So Tom Brownie left the ballpark, took a cab. I

680
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 3: think he took a cab to the hospital. He showed

681
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: up in full uniform and was there for the birth

682
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: of his child. Amazing, and he was right by. So

683
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: I asked him like the next day, I said, Tom,

684
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: did anyone say anything to you when you showed up

685
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: in the hospital in full uniform? And he looks at me,

686
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: he goes No one said anything. I think they just

687
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: thought I was like a really big fan of risk.

688
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

689
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that actually happened during the nineteen ninety World Series.

690
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't exactly body Bell, but it works. Okay, here

691
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: we go.

692
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: Next one up, First time all Stars. Now, Dad, I'm

693
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: gonna correct.

694
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: You don't have to do it about this year's first

695
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: time All Stars. You can do it about any first

696
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: time All Star Stars.

697
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: You have, right, And I just told you the beginning

698
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: of the podcast, Jeff that first time all Stars are

699
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: my favorite part of the All Star Game. And like

700
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: I said, I've been to everyone since nineteen eighty one.

701
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: The look on their face is absolutely priceless. So Jeff

702
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 3: made the All Star team for the first time many

703
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: years ago, and he was such a good hitter. So

704
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: he's on the Brewers and he's going to the All

705
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: Star Game and this is this is pre nine to eleven,

706
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: pre you know, all this stuff. And he gets on

707
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: an airplane and he is recognized by somebody on the

708
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: airplane and the fellow says to him, aren't you Jeff Sirillo,

709
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: And Jeff Sirilla goes, yeah, I'm Jeff. And Jeff Sorilla was,

710
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: you know, kind of flattered, you know, Milwaukee, He's a

711
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: young guy, not everybody knows him. He goes, yes, I'm

712
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: Jeff Sirillo. And the fan on the airplane says, aren't you.

713
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: Aren't you going to Cleveland for the All Star Game?

714
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: And Jeff Sarrilla goes yes, and the guy, the fan

715
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: on the plane said, well, this plane is going to

716
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: New York. So he was on the wrong plane and

717
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: he got off of the wrong plane and went to

718
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: the right place in Cleveland. I told that story several times.

719
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 3: Jeff Cirillo gets a kick out of it, and he should,

720
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: because all you want to do is get there safely

721
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: and everything else. So Jeff Cirillo made it really good

722
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: hitter in his day, one of my favorite guys.

723
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: All right, last one, third, final spin. Let's see what

724
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: we got. Oh, ballparks, Dad ballparks.

725
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: All right. So I shouldn't bring this up, but I

726
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: did baseball tonight the other night and David Ross was

727
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: in a discussion with Boot Shambi and Eduardo Perez about

728
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: how many different ballparks that David Ross has played a

729
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: game in, and the answer was like, he played a

730
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: game in like thirty three or something different ballparks. And

731
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have done this, But when they came back

732
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: to the studio and we did a highlight, I just

733
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: I told ROSSI I said, oh, by the way, ROSSI,

734
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: I have covered a game in fifty nine different ballparks,

735
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: and sometimes, Jeff, I only covered in one game there,

736
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: like Fort Bragg or you know London or you know

737
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: williams Port, even though I've covered more than one game there.

738
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: But fifty nine different ballparks I've covered a game in.

739
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: And I get asked all the time, what's your favorite ballpark? Well,

740
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: Fenway is still my favorite. I'm an old man and

741
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: I love the history of the game. It opened in

742
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 3: nineteen twelve. Riegley is my second favorite, just because it's

743
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: the second oldest, and then then I have to separate

744
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: to the newer ballparks, and Camden Yards is my favorite

745
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: of the newer ballparks even though it's over thirty years

746
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: old now. Pittsburgh is my second favorite, and then San

747
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: Francisco is my third favorite. So if I'm going to

748
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: pick my five favorite ballparks of all time, I'm gonna

749
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: go Fenway, Wrigley, Camden Yards, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco. How's

750
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 3: that list, Jeff, That's a pretty fire list.

751
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: We'll have to ask members of the family, people who

752
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: are listening to the podcast or watch on our Instagram

753
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: and Facebook and TikTok and YouTube, what do you think

754
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: of that list? Great game or what dot com? You

755
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: can let us know or you can always, of course

756
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: let us know in the comments. Dad, that is a

757
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: really good list. And I think it's worth noting too

758
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: that Fenway is near and dear to your heart because

759
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: it's the ballpark your dad grew up going to. I mean,

760
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: he is from Watertown, Massachusetts. And let's not get it twisted.

761
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: This does not mean my Dad, the guy who's dedicated

762
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: his life to covering this game roots for the Red Sox. No,

763
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: don't think of it any other way. He still just

764
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: roots for the story. For so many years, the Red

765
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: Sox were the story, especially in those early two thousands

766
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: teams with the Curse of the Great Bambino.

767
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: But Dad, I can understand.

768
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Why Fenway because your parents went on dates to Fenway Park.

769
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: How special is that?

770
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: Right? And the first game that I can remember going

771
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: to was at Fenway Park. I'm sure I went to

772
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: a game at Griffith Stadium with my father, but I

773
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 3: was too young to remember. But I remember the game

774
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: I went to at Fenway Park. Felix man Tia hit

775
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: a home run. The first sitting. Ballparks are really really

776
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: special today these days, Jeff and I will tell many

777
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: more ballpark stories as we go along, But that's just

778
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: a quick start to the ballparks in which I've covered

779
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 3: at least one game fifty nine of them. Again, how

780
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: lucky am I? How lucky am I Jeff to have

781
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 3: done this all these years?

782
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: So good, I know, Dad, And now you've created a

783
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame baseball career around it, and you're just

784
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: incredible I was at the Fourth of July party yesterday

785
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: and somebody found out that I was your son, and

786
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: they asked me, and I'm not being funny, They said,

787
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: how long has your dad been covering baseball?

788
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Fifty years?

789
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: I said almost. He was kind of being pretty clean.

790
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: This is just kind of you know, throwing a number

791
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: out there. And when do you say you formally started

792
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: when you were twenty two?

793
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was nineteen seventy nine is when I started

794
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: being a baseball writer. But they're different levels of it.

795
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty two is when I started covering full full

796
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: time as a beat writer. But you know, I was

797
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: a backup beat writer in eighty and eighty one, so

798
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: I was covering baseball for a long time. It's been

799
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: a great thing and I'm the luckiest man ever.

800
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: Every single episode we bring a team Tim. This has

801
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: become the most popular part of the show. Dad a

802
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: team Tim for today, what are you going to do well?

803
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: We have will Zalatorus as our guest tomorrow, And as

804
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: I told you at the beginning of the podcast, We're

805
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: going to combine golf and baseball here since they are

806
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: so easy to combine because so many baseball players love

807
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: to play golf. There are similarities between the swings. It's

808
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: great and Will is so funny talking about golf talking

809
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: about baseball. So I came up with my all golf

810
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: team based on baseball players. Now this doesn't mean these

811
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: are the greatest players who ever played, the greatest golfers

812
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: ever to play in the Major League. Frankly, I just

813
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: have a story about each position here. So I'm not saying, Hey,

814
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave somebody out here and you're gonna say,

815
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: how about you not put that guy in good question,

816
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: That's not the point of this. So my catcher is

817
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: Brandon Inge. We started out as to capture that moved

818
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: to third base. But Andy bans Like told me once

819
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 3: that Brandon Inge could hit a golf ball over four

820
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: hundred yards. And I'm quoting here. Andy told me that

821
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods would have to hit from the red teas, yeah,

822
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: to hit it to where Brandon Inge hit it. So, look,

823
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 3: do I know is that true? Of course, I wasn't there.

824
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just trying to make a point that,

825
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: you know, guys hit the ball off the edge of

826
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 3: the earth. And he and Andy Vanslke said that Brandon

827
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: Inche is like as long as anyone he's ever seen.

828
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: And Andy was a scratch player, by the way, so

829
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: he knew what he was. He knew what he was watching. Okay, okay,

830
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: our first baseman is Gavin Sheets, who, as we are

831
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: going to find out tomorrow, was a college you know,

832
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: like dorm mate of Will's alatoris. And he says, tell

833
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: some really good stories. But Jeff, this is how it works.

834
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: I went to Gavin Sheets, and this was this year,

835
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: and he loves to talk golf. So I said, I said, Gavin,

836
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: what are you Are you like a two handicap and

837
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: he looks at me. He wasn't offended, and he said, no,

838
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 3: I'm a scratch. And then Will told us that he's

839
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: a plus one or a plus two, meaning he's even

840
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: better than a scratch. There are so many good, so

841
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: many good players. Jeff McNeil might Jeff McNeil now with

842
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: the a's, might be the best golf golfer in the

843
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: Major league right now. Again, there are others who are great.

844
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: So this is not what this is about. But buckshow

845
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: Walter found out how much Jeff McNeil loved playing golf,

846
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: and beyond the center field fence at the old at

847
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: the Port Saint Lucie Stadium when Buck was the manager

848
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: of the Mets and Jeff McNeil played for the Mets,

849
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: he set up a pitching like area and a putting

850
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 3: area beyond the center field fence, so Jeff McNeil and others,

851
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: of course, could go out there and pitch and put

852
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: in between games, in between batting practice, or just go

853
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: there before a workout started. Only Buck would do that, agree.

854
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: Well, He's always looking to get the best out of

855
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: his players, and if it means we can distract for

856
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: a little bit the baseball season's long, He's one of

857
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: the best at doing that.

858
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: I love that right all right. My third basement is

859
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: Buddy Bell because I when I covered the Rangers, they

860
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: had an off day golf outing, and me being the

861
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: beat writer of the Rangers, I went to the golf

862
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: outing just to see if I could get any notes,

863
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: and I wrote a little story about here's what the

864
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: Rangers did. And there on their off day, they had

865
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: a tournament and Buddy, who was the most is the

866
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: most modest man in the world. I finally found out

867
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: that Buddy won. He shot seventy four and I said, buddy,

868
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: when's the last time, when's the last time you played?

869
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: He goes, I played a year ago at the tournament

870
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: last year, so he hadn't played in a year.

871
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 4: One.

872
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: He shot seventy four. Wow, Jem, that's that's pretty impressive.

873
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: Agreed, absolutely, Wow.

874
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: If you take if you take a year off, you're

875
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: shooting seventy four.

876
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: Do you think one seventy four?

877
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: Maybe?

878
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 3: All right? Our shortstop is JJ Hardy, who's like, he's similar,

879
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: like he shoots seventy two playing once a year. This

880
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: is when he was playing. That's how good. And his dad,

881
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: of course was a former tennis like on the tennis tour,

882
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: and his mother was on the LPGA tour. So the

883
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: great hands that JJ Hardy has comes directly from his father,

884
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 3: who was a professional tennis player and his mother who

885
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: was a professional golfer. And then JJ built like a

886
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: had like a pitch and had like a green in

887
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: the backyard where he could practice pitching and putting in

888
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: the backyard of his house. That would be a good

889
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: thing if you want to get better, right, need it.

890
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: I have one of those I can't even remember what

891
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: it's called, but it's a little game where you can

892
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: chip and putt into buckets, and we were going to

893
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: use it for the Fourth of July, but unfortunately all

894
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: of our yards were so crispy and not watered well,

895
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: we're like, well, the conditions aren't right to be chipping

896
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: in this, so we we didn't want to do it

897
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: because we didn't want to look stupid, So we'd played

898
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: corn hole instead, which was still a really good time

899
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: and a lot i will say, a lot more fun

900
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: and a lot more manageable for everybody.

901
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So that's so my outfield. Aaron Hicks, no

902
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: longer playing in the major leagues, was, according to people

903
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 3: who played with him, was the best major league active

904
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: major league golfer baseball player. And he's a switch hitter.

905
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 3: He plays golf right handed, and he's been playing since

906
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: he was five years old. So a good lesson, Jeff.

907
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: If you want to be really good at this game,

908
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: pick it up young as opposed to age twenty like

909
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: you did. It's a hard game. You've got to pick

910
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: it up young. Aaron Hicks certainly did, and so did

911
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: Ken Harrelson, the Hawk, who's in the Hall of Fame

912
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 3: for broadcasting and one of the really good Baseball Players

913
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: League and RBIs. One year he tried to play on

914
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: the professional tour. It didn't work out, but just to

915
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 3: shout out to Hawk Harrelson because at when he wasn't

916
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 3: playing baseball, he was a tremendous golfer. And we're gonna

917
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: include Jeff frank Corer on this list. We're not going

918
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: to tell the Bobby Cock story for the fiftieth time

919
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: on this podcast, but we have to have Jeff frank

920
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: core on the as one of our outfielders. Jeff, just

921
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: because of the Bobby Cox story, right.

922
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: One of our favorite scroll back check it out. We've

923
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: only said it a million times other than the interview

924
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: two years ago. But Dad, I don't want to jump ahead,

925
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: but are you gonna have a bunch of Braves pitchers.

926
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: In there too? Cause we talk about those pictures.

927
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 3: All the time, right, Well we haven't. Now we got

928
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: the pictures, Jeff, so I'm just going with one picture. Look,

929
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 3: we could have we could have Tom Glavin and Greg

930
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 3: Maddox on there and we would be fine, but we're

931
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 3: just gonna take one Braves picture. So there's not a

932
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: monopoly here. John Smoltz, who last time I talked to

933
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: him about this has eleven holes in one, and he

934
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: told me he thought he thought the tenth hole in

935
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: one was gonna be never to be topped, because he said,

936
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: I got it on a par four. So he got

937
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: a hole of one on a part four. Not surprising

938
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: with John Smoltz. Eleven holes in one and he's like

939
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: a plus two. Also great player and still is part

940
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: of He's like the commissioner of a league where former

941
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: players in all sorts of sports play golf together keep

942
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: up their competitive nature. John Smoltz is all over this

943
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: and what a tremendous golfer he is. Rick Roadin former

944
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 3: Pirate Yankee, he was he like played on the Myague Tour.

945
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: Mark Mulder is on this team. Mark Moulder is also

946
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: played on like the minor league Golf Tour. And he

947
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: told me once, Jeff this, I always found this amazing.

948
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 3: So he plays in these really big time tournaments, but

949
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: they're not like PGA tournaments, not that good. But he said,

950
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 3: that's as nervous as I've ever been taking a club

951
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: back in golf, even though he's great at it. But

952
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: I said, Mark, you were a great major league pitcher,

953
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: and you were a great major league and you were

954
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: a great hitter and pitcher in college. And he said, well,

955
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 3: golf is a different thing. Everybody's quiet, lined with people

956
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: all that stuff. Do you find that surprising? He got

957
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: that nervous even though his skill level was ridiculously high.

958
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you'll hear in our interview tomorrow with

959
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Will zelatoris the game changes when you line the course

960
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: with fans.

961
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: And he's saying that a guy.

962
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Who almost won the Masters, who plays on the tour,

963
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: and even he is saying, yeah, you know it gets

964
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: in your head. Average Joe or Jane is going to

965
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: play a different game if they have fans that they

966
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: could sorry kill with an errant drive right right there,

967
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: standing looking at you.

968
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: Okay, Jeff, I could name about fifty other guys on

969
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: this all golf team, but I'm not. I'm just gonna

970
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: name two more. One of them is a Maddox, but

971
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: it's not Greg Maddox as his brother Mike Maddox, who's

972
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: won pitched in the major leagues, of course, and one

973
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: of the best pitching coaches of all time. Mike Maddox

974
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: had two holes in one in one round, and I

975
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: happened to be around. I think he was with the

976
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: Brewers at the time. Don't hold me to this, but

977
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 3: I saw the scorecard. There there were two ones, both circled.

978
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: He got two holes in one in the same round

979
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: of golf. Is that incredible or what?

980
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: What are the chances? What are the chances of.

981
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: Right? And we've used this one, Jeff. This is one

982
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 3: of my favorite baseball player golf stories. Is that Jim

983
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 3: Cott Hall of Famer, one of the great pictures ever,

984
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: one of the great fielding pictures ever, one of the

985
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: greatest athletes ever to play the game. He shot his

986
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 3: age twice in one week. He was like eighty years old.

987
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 3: He broke eighty twice in a week. And he did

988
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: it once playing left handed, and the next time he

989
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: did it playing right handed. That's obsess You shoot your age,

990
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: that's impossible. He did it twice in a week, but

991
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: he did it playing left handed and right hand. How great?

992
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 3: Even Will Zalatoris can't do that right.

993
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: No, no, But we'll talk to him about a whole

994
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: bunch of golf and a whole bunch of baseball tomorrow

995
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: on the podcast. So make sure you're subscribed and you're

996
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: following wherever you like. The listener watch so you don't

997
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: miss it. All right, Dad, we have teased a great

998
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: visit from Mike Sure, who is the commissioner of our

999
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: podcast of is this a Great Game or What? So

1000
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: let's break through again, talk about the member of the

1001
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: family who sent our what does it mean to be

1002
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: five games over five hundred message, and then we'll get

1003
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: to Mike Sure's message.

1004
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: Right. Well, first off, Mike Sure volunteered to be the

1005
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: commissioner of this is a Great Game or What. We

1006
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: didn't even ask him. He loves baseball so much he

1007
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: just wanted to be in on specific rulings. So this

1008
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 3: is the ruling for Mike Sure. When you're fourteen and ten,

1009
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: is your team four games over five hundred or as

1010
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 3: Brian Sweeney, one of our listeners, one of our readers,

1011
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 3: who sent us an email saying, I think if you're

1012
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: fourteen and ten, you're only two games over five hundred.

1013
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: So we left it up to Mike Sure to make

1014
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: a ruling on this.

1015
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 6: Here we go, Hi, everyone, Mike Sure the commissioner here

1016
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 6: with a ruling on a argument I've had many times

1017
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 6: with my more pedantic friends. So the question is, if

1018
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 6: your team is fourteen and ten are you four games

1019
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 6: over five hundred, as is commonly stated, or are you

1020
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 6: actually two games over five hundred, because if you had

1021
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 6: lost two of your previous games, you would be twelve

1022
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 6: and twelve. So to me, this is just a question

1023
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 6: of are you looking backwards or forwards? If you're looking

1024
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 6: backwards saying like, how many games if we had, if

1025
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 6: the outcome had been different, would get us to five hundred, yes,

1026
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 6: you're two games over five hundred. But I think what

1027
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 6: you're commonly doing when you're announcing how many games over

1028
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 6: five hundred a team is is you are looking forward.

1029
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 6: You're saying we're four games over five hundred, meaning if

1030
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 6: we lose the next four games, we will be at

1031
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 6: five hundred, which is a better way of evaluating your

1032
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 6: team's record and how good your team is. So I

1033
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 6: think that for clarity's sake, you should just say how

1034
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 6: many games you would need to lose in order to

1035
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 6: or win in order to get to five hundred, meeting

1036
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 6: look forward, So I would say you are four games

1037
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 6: over five hundred, And to me, the people who say, well, actually,

1038
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 6: technically your two games over five hundred, because blah blah blah,

1039
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 6: that those people are the same people who will tell

1040
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 6: you that actually Frankenstein was the name of the scientist,

1041
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 6: and what you mean is Frankenstein's monster. It's like, yes, technically,

1042
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 6: logically you are correct, but like when I say Frankenstein,

1043
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 6: you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the

1044
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 6: guy