WEBVTT - Open Mike Eagle 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.680 Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.720 Good People, How you doing? What's up? 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.360 On this week's Quest Love Show, I talked to the 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.560 one and only Open Mike Eagle. I did a whole 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.560 season one of the best interviews I think I've ever 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.520 given in life. Look up what it happened was if 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.760 I Open Mike Eagle. It's one of my favorite podcasts. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.200 I'm so jealous that I don't do that podcast, that's 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:35.080 how much I love it. It's basically an artist gets 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.600 an entire cannon for a season. There's the Prince Paul season, 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.120 not even episode seasons. Dante Ross season LP is also 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.239 part of it, and of course mine is there. I 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.240 covered the first four albums of the Roots career. Very insightful, 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.160 but you know, for this particular episode, I will say 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.880 that it's more like a conversation between friends. Mike was 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:04.240 my facto therapist for this episode. He's a calm, present, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.960 very thoughtful guy. And this also marks the first time 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:13.200 where I kind of publicly spoke about the struggle in 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:20.120 processing and dealing with our dearly departed Michael D'Angelo Archer. Anyway, 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.399 I was supposed to be interviewing Mike, but instead, I 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.760 used Mike as a soundboard to talk about my problems. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.640 But that's the kind of guy he is. So I 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.760 hope you enjoy this. Open Mike Eagle on the Quest 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:40.200 Love Show. I could start off just on your boombox 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:41.240 collection in the back. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.920 Oh yeah, okay, I mean this is this is a 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.880 small portion of the overall boomboxes scattered throughout. Well, what 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.640 you're looking at these couple right here. I probably got 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.000 like eight or nine of them in the house or 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.040 something like that total. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.120 So are you just sentimental like that? 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.840 Yeah? Man, it was funny during COVID that ended up 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.120 being part of my therapy journey, you know what I'm saying, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.400 going back and trying to get stuff that I could 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.320 touch right from childhood to ground me. You know what 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.400 I'm saying. It was all of that. So yeah, So 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.799 even the stereo piece that I have that I got 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.560 converted into a helmet. I bought all of these pieces 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.639 off of eBay like the same year. I spent way 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.639 too much money on it now that I think about it, 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.320 But you know it was good for me. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:28.720 As I suspected. 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:34.960 Well, I mean, besides, you're am seeing but really in 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.120 your conversations on what had happened was I was like, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.320 I think Mike and I are the same person. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.400 Definitely part of the same tribe. Yeah, I'm saying, definitely 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.520 part of the same tribe, fruit from the same tree. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.560 If anything. I feel like this is my chance to 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:52.640 get to know you as a human. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:53.079 All right. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.520 So see I'm already messing up because I should have 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.320 did an intro first. But see that we just went 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.080 right into the conversation time an illusion anyway, we are 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.800 the same person. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Don't matter, 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:05.600 all right. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:06.600 So, ladies and gentlemen. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:13.400 In past episodes, I've mentioned how transformative the pandemic of 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.440 twenty twenty changed me for the better in terms of 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.360 my life, my mental health, my physical health, and my 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:25.080 creative endeavors and also my relationships. And of course I 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.040 spoke of all the books that I read that you know, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.079 changed me. You know, if you're a long time listener 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.880 of this podcast, you've heard me mention like Nevill Goddard 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.560 and Jodaspenza and Breonna Wist and Richard Rudd and Kay Hendrix, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.400 David Hawkins, like the list is endless, but. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.560 It wasn't all you know, wo wu seriousness. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:50.200 Podcast diving also became my gountu pastime as I did 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.480 morning walks or just like you know it was isolated 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.640 on a farm in upstate New York. One particular podcast 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.360 that was, I would say, a godsend. And I know, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.040 again those who know me well know this this podcast 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.839 format that I'm on, you know my tendency to sort 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:15.400 of go over the top in terms of enthusiasm hyperbole. However, 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.880 I will say that one particular podcast that really truly 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:25.960 became my go to safe place in dystopian times was 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.200 What had Happened was And I often find out that 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.440 you know, my people, and yeah, black people are kind 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.760 of slow to dive into history portal, which you know 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:37.919 is understandable for a lot of us living day to 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.400 day and fight a flight. And you know, for a 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:45.640 lot of us, looking anything north of yesterday might not 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.960 be rose colored glasses, schip. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.159 My yesterday wasn't necessarily my favorite. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.720 So that said, like this whole fight to the finished 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.640 hustle attitude that we have really, I guess stems we're 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.560 looking for better tomorrow then, you know, and if you 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.440 look in that mood, you might not want to look 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:07.360 back in. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:08.200 The rear view mirror. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:13.320 So you know, I will say, enter our guest's genius creation, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.560 which kind of in a backwards way, I got drawn 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:22.840 into the stratosphere of open mic Eagle, even though I've 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.400 heard of him too, Ganders and whatnot. It wasn't until 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.800 that podcast that I decided that, you know what, I 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.440 want to be a champion of this guy and just 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:32.280 look at his. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.680 Whole entire history. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.799 The thing is, I wouldn't exactly call our guest a podcaster, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.000 even though he's awesome at it, first and foremost much 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.640 appreciating he is. Oh, I mean, dude, this is why 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.840 I think we're the same person, because we're all things, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:47.400 are all people. 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.200 You know, he's also an excellent MC. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:56.080 He's also comedian, even a singer sometimes who balances music, television, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.400 podcasting his personal life. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:02.000 Balance is a strong word, but I try, yes, exactly, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.000 I mean, but we're both trying to do this. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.360 So earlier this year he dropped an amazing, amazing album 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:12.360 called Neighborhood God's Unlimited and this is on his Auto 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:17.520 Reverse label. And I gotta say, one of the adjustments 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.200 I made in my life was not to put so 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.359 much weight on critical acclaim. I stuck to critical claim 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.599 because I felt that that was the surviving grace for 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.360 my life. But I have to say that was a 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:34.680 mighty damn impressed with seeing his eight point five rating 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:40.719 and pitchfork, yo dog. I felt like de Niro felt 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:45.760 when what's his name is getting made and goodfellas like 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.719 like ah man, like one of us got through the 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.160 other side, which is also sad state of affairs, because again, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:56.280 I'm not looking for the the critical gaze to make 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:57.520 us legit or not legit. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.960 But anyway, all this. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.159 Long ass intros to say, even though we spoken a 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:09.200 few times, I wanted to reverse the roles here and 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.320 speak to him about his life because I kind of 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.400 get the feeling that we are the same person and 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:16.880 we should be friends. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:21.960 So hopefully this is that. So that's what's up. Open, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.400 Mike Eagle, Welcome to the Quest Love Show to Q. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.000 How are you today, man, I'm good, I'm good. Thanks 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.680 for having me. Do you remember the airplane story that's 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.440 when we first met. I don't know if you remember that. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.000 Okay, So here's we first met at we were sitting 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.160 together in the airplane. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.320 And let me let me do it. Let me run it. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.440 Let's do your thing. I think it's funnier from my 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.000 side anyway. Right is, So I'm in the I'm in 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.800 one of those airport bars in Lax and it's me 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.880 and my partner, Video Dave, sitting there Video Day and 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.680 we look over and like, wait a minute, that look 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.040 likes love over there. You know you have the thing. Internally, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.040 We're like, damn to be as aware of you as 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.600 I am. I'm like, damn, should I go say what up? 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.840 O don't know? But then I thought about it, like, nah, 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.720 I've wrapped over one of his beats before. That at 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.480 least is a conversational open. Because one of the joints 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.600 that you slid MC Paul Barman, yeah, one of his albums, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.520 I got on that. So I'm like, well, that should 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.600 at least give me a conversation. So I gave my 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.400 self license to come say what up? So me and 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.360 him we came and said what up? And it turned 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.520 out we was both flying to Austin. I think it 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.400 was south by Southwest weekend, yes, and I was being 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.280 flown out there by Comedy Central because we were doing 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.960 a premiere event for our show New Negroes. So this 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:43.480 is one of the few times in my life I 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.640 happened to be flying first class, and so we end 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.680 up near each other on the plane. You're in the 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.839 road next to each other. Well, but let me tell 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.000 you how that happened, because that's funny too. I'm sitting 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.280 actually behind you, to the left, and then there's a 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.720 person to me, and then a lady comes who's about 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.280 to sit down in first class, and she's like, oh, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.520 do you mind if me and you switch seats? And 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.480 her seat was in front of me, next to you, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.960 and this woman was Jody Foster. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.400 Wait a minute, you're right, you are absolutely right. Jody 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:20.600 Foster was on this flight. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.480 Yes, uh huh uh. So I'm like, you're damn right, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.520 I'll switch seats with you, Jody Foster. And so I'm 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.120 like yeah, and I'm like, man, I'm sitting next to 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:34.000 quest Love. Ooh, I'm about to talk his ear off. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.000 And I think I even said that. I'm like, oh, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:41.439 if I come up there, so on exactly, because we 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.880 must have exchanged six words, and at ten minutes in, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:49.840 you was out like a light. I'm talking about deep sleep. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:55.880 But I'm like, god, damn it. But the story would 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.440 have been funny if it just ended there. But then 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.080 the plane lands right, and you know, I think I 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.320 got your number in because I'm like, at least I'm 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:05.839 gonna do that. At least I'm gonna do that right. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.319 And then we get off the plane and I'm waiting 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.959 on video day because Comedy Central didn't fly in first class, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.920 so I'm waiting on him. And then you walk out 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.439 of the plane and you're like, oh, you forgot this, 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.600 and you hand me my laptop, which I had left 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.960 in the seat back pocket and completely forgot about. Like 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.040 you saved my entire weekend and didn't even know it. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:32.880 Like I was there to do shows I wouldn't have 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.600 been able to do because my laptop would have been 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.240 in Montana somewhere and I would have been up Ship's Creek. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.480 So that's the story of how we actually met. Man. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.720 You can now verify probably the question that I'm asking 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.120 the most people always ask, when do you sleep? 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:51.280 Ye? 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.480 Okay, I sent it. You're right because I seen it. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:55.440 Yeah. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:00.240 So the thing is is that if I sit fel 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.119 for good ten minutes, there's. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:09.280 Likely, ugh that's likely to happen. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.240 I'm glad that the story ended that way because you know, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.600 there are also some people that will say that, wow, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.560 you're very stand offis Shamir and whatnot? You know, And 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:23.840 I don't know if that's my work. I don't know 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.600 if that's I'm trying to get better at being a 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:28.280 people person. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.400 Aren't you not? Are you not already the ultimate people person? Like? 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.400 What that's the thing from you? 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.400 I think if there's a shield, like this is kind 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.880 of a shield, you know, even though we're one on 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.240 one in each other in conversation, if I'm writing something, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.000 people might think I'm chatty because of the you know, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.800 the same amount of paragraphs that I'll type in an 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.600 Instagram post. One of my goals for twenty twenty six 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:03.320 is to really go outside of my comfort zone like 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.520 right now, you know, because I live in such an 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.880 expansive world of me as a producer, me as the 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.800 Tonight Show person, me as a root, me as a DJ, me. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.080 As an filmmaker. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.120 Yeah, all these things for each job I have, there's 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:24.720 about eight to twelve people in that stratosphere. So yeah, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.760 I would say maybe the first twe hundred and twelve 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.080 people in my life are friends, but you know, they're 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.000 also on payroll, right and I really I say this, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.280 one of the hardest things for me to do is 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.680 to step outside of that comfort zone. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.679 What do you think is outside of that comfort zone 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:42.920 that you're wanting to experience? 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:48.920 Sometimes it's just see the convenience of this model right 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:54.520 now is also it gives you probably the most convenient 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:59.720 out ever because if we're not working together and it's 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.240 not again, it's not personal. If we're not working together, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.360 I'm kind of a I'm trying to figure out the 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.600 idiom that this fits. Like, if you're in my face, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:15.120 then we have interaction, right, but if you're not there, then, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.599 oh god, I sound like the worst person in the 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:18.080 world right now. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.480 Well, I know, I think I know what you're trying 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.040 to say. It's like when people aren't in your face, 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.480 it's probably like they don't exist. And that's that's probably cold, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.600 Like you know, the words are cold, but I think 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.760 it speaks to your focus on all of the things 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.400 that you have to do. Right. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.520 The thing that people don't understand about this life I've 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.840 lived for thirty five years. Like I think, on the 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:43.800 average a person knows about you might could recall two 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:49.080 hundred people. If you thing about it, it's probably you 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.800 could probably recall maybe a good thirty people between elementary 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.079 and junior high. You could probably name maybe twelve to 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.800 fourteen people in your high school. Whatever jobs you've had, 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.440 you might remember like three or four names. I'm sure 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.120 if it's family members, you can add another forty to it. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.880 So for me, I think the average person by the 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.920 time they reach thirty, knows at least about two hundred people. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:22.480 But when you're me, you know, like I know fifteen 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:27.920 people in Miami. I know seventy people in Manhattan. I 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.720 know one hundred people in Brooklyn. I know one hundred 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.320 people in Los Angeles. I know twelve people in Paris. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.600 So if you take just the total number, when you're 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:45.640 juggling six hundred people and names and faces and whatnot, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.480 and don't let someone change their hairstyle or whatnot. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:49.040 Oh jeez. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:56.760 And everyone's favorite question is do you remember me? Spike 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.800 Lee fish out Yo Dog? For real? It's like, well, 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:05.160 in my world everything is closer to scrubs or if 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.040 you're old enough, Parker Lewis can't lose. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.680 Parker Lewis can't what a pull with. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:15.840 This sound effect, you know, So, because that to me 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.840 is the most I used to that used to embarrass me, 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.640 and that then it used to make me angry because 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.760 it's like, really that's your intro. Okay, so what if 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.160 the answers no, then we're both or I'm embarrassed. 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.920 That means you've definitely answered no at some point. So 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:33.520 what happens? 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:38.320 Then my go to jokey but serious answer, which is 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.440 the truth, is like, dog, I don't even remember what 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.600 I had for breakfast this. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.400 Morning, right right right right right. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:45.680 I hope and I put it in perspective, but it's 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.720 hard to spring clean and start all over again. But 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.080 I know the one thing that I really want is 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.840 I would like to have ten friends that aren't on 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:01.240 payroll and really maintain because there's also a. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:02.760 Trust factor, a trust issue. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:08.720 I've done this before and then usually like seven months 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:09.200 into it. 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.920 An entitlement thing happens. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.160 When people feel entitled to your time or you feel 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:15.160 entitled to theirs. 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:24.880 Where people feel entitled to my accessibility, my resources. I 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.000 don't know what the perception of me is outside of 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.760 what I think the perception of me is, but I 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.320 promise you that the world only knows twenty percent of 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.720 the daily activities. Like there's some things that happen to 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.960 me that are just so mind blowing. That and again, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.960 this is a separation anxiety thing, Like you don't want 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.360 to be the guy that's like ostracized because you get 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.960 a certain privilege that your friends don't get to have. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.960 You know, I want to be likable and relatable, but 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.240 I also want to grow and relatable. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.840 It's gonna be tough, bro relatables going tough, right exactly? 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.360 I mean, who do you who do you even have 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.159 to compare experiences with? You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.399 I imagine a lot of people can relate to parts 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.720 of your life, but the whole of it's gonna be 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:16.919 hard for him to put together. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.840 I'm in a weird zone, yo, because it's like there 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.399 is a period where I really thought, like Hoove and 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.919 I were going to be tight, but he has a 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:32.199 whole different set of reality and life matters that I 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:37.879 can't relate to. He did it probably the most ideal way, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.719 which is that the people that are with him are 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.240 the people that came in the door with him, right. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:48.200 I wound up doing a business with those people. I'll 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:53.760 say that Tarik is probably the most consistent, and I've 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.919 said this before, like we're going on thirty eight years 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.520 where you know, he and I wait a minute, am 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:02.840 I on your podcast again? 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:09.880 I don't even start. Hey, man, how this is how 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.000 friendship's happen? Man, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.240 So basically our audience is just easdropping in on this conversation. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:32.480 You know, I started a business with Treiq, but then 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.639 the danger of that is like I'm under the impression 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:43.280 that you can't have a successful business, and I don't know. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.000 I see business and friendship as church and state. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.960 It's hard to do both, it really is. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.600 Yeah, because when you have a conflict, like we had 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:59.440 one conflict, one conflict back in ninety four, which it's 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:04.080 in the asked, But I'm also once bitten twice shy person. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.000 So my only teachable lesson of that one fight we 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.000 had back in ninety four was like, you know, I 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.200 should keep a professional distance so that the business doesn't 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:15.840 get ruined. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.520 And that will I mean, that can't help but affect 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.600 a friendship. It can't help it, you know. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.960 Yeah, Because the thing is is like the thing that 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.840 I really miss about our friendship, you know those first 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.960 and I mean, but this also applies to like the 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:34.320 soul aquarians. This applies to even with the departure of di'angelo. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.879 The way I'm happy is the most is that he 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.040 and I ended it the way that we started it. 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.240 You know, in the beginning, we had to get to 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.040 know each other and it was like, Hey, what music 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:46.439 do you like? 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.800 Hey? I like that music too. Hey, what artists you know? 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:50.639 You know about this artist? You know about that? Artists 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.480 you know about this? Oh, man, I listen to that 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.359 record too. What you know about Fishbone? 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.320 And once we found out that we had so much 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.400 in common then and you know, that's how the musical 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:05.879 marriage part of it happened, and so kind of the 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:11.600 last three months we didn't have any instruments, and so 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.280 it was weird at first, like sitting there, you know, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:22.040 by his bedside and us talking and kind of in 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.560 the beginning, in the first like month or so, there 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.719 was a point where I thought like, Okay, he's going 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.840 to get through. This will be cool. Like we were 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.480 like talking about normal. But I had such a fear 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.440 in not having a protective shield of a drum set or. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.399 Just something else to focus on except yeah, because he 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:40.359 happened this moment. 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.080 Yeah, for that first hour, man for that first hour, 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:49.080 I just sat there wondering, what does he think of 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.720 the person in front of him now that's clearly wasn't 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:57.800 the person whom he met thirty years ago. And I 0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.920 was in my head about I was like, I wondered 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:04.000 if he's judging me. I wonder if he's did he 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:05.080 think I was a sellout? 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:05.440 Did he? 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.959 You know we we once said mid mid Black Messiah. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.840 He really wasn't. He didn't know how he felt about 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:15.600 us taking a day job. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.399 Interesting, did you see that a conversation that thought in 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:19.960 Red Man? 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.960 Had I seen the clip on ig? I didn't have 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.400 time to watch the entire thing, but what we. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.800 Saying Red Man literally like they had a great conversation. 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.119 And I don't mean this to steer away from the moment. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:37.160 The Red Man literally in the middle of the conversation 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.920 asked him like what kind of reactions did y'all hear 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.640 from people when y'all got a day job? Like and 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.040 for me, it was mind blowing to even think that, 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.640 especially on like the Indian side of this rap shit, 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.720 like it's always so precarious financially, It's like, Wow, what 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.280 how awesome would it be to have a gig, right, 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.159 like a gig where you're you're not like, you know, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.400 stuff in boxes at Amazon. You're doing what you do musically, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.479 You're just getting paid to show up and do it. 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.960 You know. To me, it's like it's it's that's pities 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.720 from heaven, Like that's something anybody would want. But when 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.199 he asked the question was like, oh shit, right, like 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.480 from peers, from fans, like there are people who could 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.400 have seen it as a sort of like selling out 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.400 and that that thought. It never occurred to me until 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.760 I heard him sit there and ask that question. And 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.520 so it's interesting to hear that D'Angelo had some of 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:30.639 those similar concerns. 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.639 So the thing is, I always felt that the roots 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:40.960 magic power was always being underestimated. And you know, the 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.639 first the first time I felt that power of lowering 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:50.240