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Speaker 1: Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good People, How you doing? What's up?

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Speaker 3: On this week's Quest Love Show, I talked to the

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Speaker 3: one and only Open Mike Eagle. I did a whole

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Speaker 3: season one of the best interviews I think I've ever

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Speaker 3: given in life. Look up what it happened was if

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Speaker 3: I Open Mike Eagle. It's one of my favorite podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I'm so jealous that I don't do that podcast, that's

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Speaker 3: how much I love it. It's basically an artist gets

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Speaker 3: an entire cannon for a season. There's the Prince Paul season,

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Speaker 3: not even episode seasons. Dante Ross season LP is also

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Speaker 3: part of it, and of course mine is there. I

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Speaker 3: covered the first four albums of the Roots career. Very insightful,

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Speaker 3: but you know, for this particular episode, I will say

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Speaker 3: that it's more like a conversation between friends. Mike was

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Speaker 3: my facto therapist for this episode. He's a calm, present,

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Speaker 3: very thoughtful guy. And this also marks the first time

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Speaker 3: where I kind of publicly spoke about the struggle in

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Speaker 3: processing and dealing with our dearly departed Michael D'Angelo Archer. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I was supposed to be interviewing Mike, but instead, I

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Speaker 3: used Mike as a soundboard to talk about my problems.

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Speaker 3: But that's the kind of guy he is. So I

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Speaker 3: hope you enjoy this. Open Mike Eagle on the Quest

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Speaker 3: Love Show. I could start off just on your boombox

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Speaker 3: collection in the back.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I mean this is this is a

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Speaker 2: small portion of the overall boomboxes scattered throughout. Well, what

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Speaker 2: you're looking at these couple right here. I probably got

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Speaker 2: like eight or nine of them in the house or

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Speaker 1: So are you just sentimental like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, it was funny during COVID that ended up

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Speaker 2: being part of my therapy journey, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: going back and trying to get stuff that I could

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Speaker 2: touch right from childhood to ground me. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was all of that. So yeah, So

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Speaker 2: even the stereo piece that I have that I got

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Speaker 2: converted into a helmet. I bought all of these pieces

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Speaker 2: off of eBay like the same year. I spent way

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Speaker 2: too much money on it now that I think about it,

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Speaker 2: But you know it was good for me.

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Speaker 1: As I suspected.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, besides, you're am seeing but really in

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Speaker 3: your conversations on what had happened was I was like,

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Speaker 3: I think Mike and I are the same person.

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Speaker 2: Definitely part of the same tribe. Yeah, I'm saying, definitely

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Speaker 2: part of the same tribe, fruit from the same tree.

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Speaker 1: If anything. I feel like this is my chance to

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Speaker 1: get to know you as a human.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: So see I'm already messing up because I should have

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Speaker 3: did an intro first. But see that we just went

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Speaker 3: right into the conversation time an illusion anyway, we are

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Speaker 3: the same person. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Don't matter,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: So, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: In past episodes, I've mentioned how transformative the pandemic of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty changed me for the better in terms of

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Speaker 3: my life, my mental health, my physical health, and my

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Speaker 3: spoke of all the books that I read that you know,

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Speaker 3: changed me. You know, if you're a long time listener

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Speaker 3: David Hawkins, like the list is endless, but.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't all you know, wo wu seriousness.

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Speaker 3: Podcast diving also became my gountu pastime as I did

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Speaker 3: again those who know me well know this this podcast

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Speaker 3: What had Happened was And I often find out that

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Speaker 3: you know, my people, and yeah, black people are kind

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Speaker 3: lot of us, looking anything north of yesterday might not

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Speaker 2: My yesterday wasn't necessarily my favorite.

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Speaker 3: So that said, like this whole fight to the finished

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Speaker 3: So you know, I will say, enter our guest's genius creation,

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Speaker 3: which kind of in a backwards way, I got drawn

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Speaker 3: The thing is, I wouldn't exactly call our guest a podcaster,

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Speaker 3: even though he's awesome at it, first and foremost much

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Speaker 3: appreciating he is. Oh, I mean, dude, this is why

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Speaker 1: You know, he's also an excellent MC.

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Speaker 3: He's also comedian, even a singer sometimes who balances music, television,

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Speaker 2: Balance is a strong word, but I try, yes, exactly,

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Speaker 3: So earlier this year he dropped an amazing, amazing album

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Speaker 3: called Neighborhood God's Unlimited and this is on his Auto

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Speaker 3: mighty damn impressed with seeing his eight point five rating

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Speaker 3: when what's his name is getting made and goodfellas like

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Speaker 3: I'm not looking for the the critical gaze to make

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Speaker 1: But anyway, all this.

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Speaker 3: Long ass intros to say, even though we spoken a

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Speaker 1: So hopefully this is that. So that's what's up. Open,

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Speaker 1: Mike Eagle, Welcome to the Quest Love Show to Q.

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Speaker 2: How are you today, man, I'm good, I'm good. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me. Do you remember the airplane story that's

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Speaker 2: when we first met. I don't know if you remember that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So here's we first met at we were sitting

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Speaker 2: And let me let me do it. Let me run it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do your thing. I think it's funnier from my

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Speaker 2: and my partner, Video Dave, sitting there Video Day and

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Speaker 2: we look over and like, wait a minute, that look

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Speaker 2: likes love over there. You know you have the thing. Internally,

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Speaker 2: We're like, damn to be as aware of you as

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Speaker 2: I've wrapped over one of his beats before. That at

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Speaker 2: you how that happened, because that's funny too. I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: and this woman was Jody Foster.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you're right, you are absolutely right. Jody

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Speaker 2: And I think I even said that. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: So that's the story of how we actually met. Man.

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Speaker 3: You can now verify probably the question that I'm asking

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that the story ended that way because you know,

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Speaker 3: you're very stand offis Shamir and whatnot? You know, And

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's my work. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that's I'm trying to get better at being a

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Speaker 2: Aren't you not? Are you not already the ultimate people person? Like?

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Speaker 2: What that's the thing from you?

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Speaker 3: I think if there's a shield, like this is kind

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Speaker 3: people might think I'm chatty because of the you know,

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Speaker 2: When people feel entitled to your time or you feel

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Speaker 3: Where people feel entitled to my accessibility, my resources. I

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Speaker 2: I don't even start. Hey, man, how this is how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because when you have a conflict, like we had

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Speaker 3: And the thing is is that I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: You know, Philly had like five colleges.

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Speaker 3: We were like, just green, anybody willing to have us

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Speaker 3: Motown Philly video, Like I got on Oshkosh Bagosh Jumpers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know my hair was braided and now

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Speaker 3: even having like it's like, why have him snakes in

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00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: your head?

438
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: Like people look at Dreadline, right, and I'm from Philly.

439
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: So the way that they villainized as the Africa family

440
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: from Osge Avenue, I lived on O s Ja Avenue,

441
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: so Ramona, Africa.

442
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: Airty, like all that family.

443
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: The move family, you know, conservative Christian black people always

444
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: being judgmental and that sort of thing. So they even

445
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: looked at Dreadlock people as like demons and those are

446
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: stakes in their heads. So they're just looking at us,

447
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: like what planet did y'all land in? But they were

448
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: also hip hop hits. So the second we started doing Dwick,

449
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, that abyss sub zero judgmental thing

450
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 3: went the opposite direction, and you know, they did their version.

451
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: Of He's a jolly goodfellow.

452
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: Like but that would happen also because seventy percent of

453
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: all the gigs that we did between ninety three and

454
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: ninety six were mainly Wu Tang cancelation shows at colleges,

455
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: so you know, the audience this thing on, Hey guys,

456
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: how you doing Brown University? It was hey, as you know,

457
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: welcome to Spring fleeen nineteen ninety five. Ray Kwan and

458
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: Ghost couldn't make it, but you know, but not to

459
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: be out done, we have a really awesome group from Philadelphia.

460
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: They're a live banded No No, no, No, The Roots, and

461
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: it's like, m So the reason why we had to

462
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 3: put so much emphasis on a live show, we knew

463
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: we had ten minutes to make an impression. So all

464
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: that's to say is like the lowered expectation part of

465
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: it is something that I'm used to. And so I

466
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: went into this job knowing. And sure enough, someone on

467
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: I forgot what the reddit of, Like the Reddit of

468
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: two thousand and.

469
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: Nine was a message board or something.

470
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

471
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: It was a message board of like a really popular

472
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: and this journalist said, man, like, this is a sad

473
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 3: day in history. Watching The Roots take a day job

474
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: as a comedy show Sidekicks is the equivalent of watching

475
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: Miles Davis become a Subway buster.

476
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so that's a whole different paradigm than I

477
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: never even would have but never would have answered my mind.

478
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: But the thing was, I knew, I knew the amount

479
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: of inside winking I was going to do taking advantage

480
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: of the show, Like wait a minute, they're doing Jay

481
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: Dillon interludes, they're doing what walk on song for.

482
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: It, Like suddenly we were so underestimated that, Like I'm

483
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: just used to that. I'm used to people kind of

484
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: prejudging us. And you know, so in the case of DiAngelo,

485
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: the fourteen year Journey of Black Messiah was ones with

486
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: highs and lows in it. So the moment where like, Okay,

487
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: now I live in New York and I'll come to

488
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: the studio and start drumming and whatnot, he still didn't

489
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: know he felt about it. And I was like, well,

490
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: that's a weird unsolicited SoundBite you're giving.

491
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: Me, so not even in a conversation. He's just offering

492
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: this opinion of what you.

493
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: Well, you know, just the first month, everyone was like,

494
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: so late night television, huh. You know, there's some people

495
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: that brought up bamboozle, the irony and bamboozles and you know,

496
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: all this all this stuff, and I knew what he

497
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: was hinting towards, like you're going to become the establishment.

498
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Now, huh, Like I see you, I see you, And

499
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, no.

500
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: Like just because I'm wearing a suit on television doesn't

501
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: mean that I'm burning cigars with one hundred dollar bills.

502
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: And you know, we kind of had a heated it

503
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: was like a heated two days of what I would

504
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: call like if you if you remember Spy versus Spy

505
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: and Man magazine, like kind of, uh.

506
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: What you thinking?

507
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh what you think?

508
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if we're going to fight, argue.

509
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm about to walk out in

510
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: five minutes or we make a classic or whatever.

511
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: You know.

512
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: I kind of had to push back on him. It's

513
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: sort of a passive aggressive way. I was like, well,

514
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: you know, man, like I said, I couldn't sit in

515
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: the passenger see forever and look to my left and

516
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: no one's behind the wheel.

517
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: And He's like, what was that supposed to me?

518
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: And you know I had to remind him, like we

519
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: kind of in this weird I don't know if you

520
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: ever read the epic of Gilga Mission or I haven't. Yeah, like, okay,

521
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: I went to a school in which you had to

522
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: read like all this Greek ideology, like.

523
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: I supposed to read it. I just didn't.

524
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: We went deep on like you know, the Odyssey and

525
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: like all the Greek mythology stuff. When you know you're

526
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: listening to hip hop back then, you want to know

527
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: more about Africa, not Greek.

528
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Started starting a modern culture.

529
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: But I thought we were supposed to be like this

530
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: whole brothers in arms thing, like Okay, we're going to

531
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: start a movement and take one step at a time

532
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: together and do this movement. And I held up my

533
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: end of the deal, you know, like no one takes

534
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: a year off from their momentum to go and help

535
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: someone else. Like the year that I took off was

536
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: the year that we won the Grammy, we finally broke

537
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: through the other side. Like that should have been the

538
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: year we cashed in and kept the momentum going of

539
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: the success that we got, and instead, you know, much

540
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: of the band Cigrine, they were not happy with me

541
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: and taken off an entire year. But I did it

542
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: because I knew that was history and I wanted to

543
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: be a part of history, and so he got offended that.

544
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: I was like, well, you can't say that I'm selling

545
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: out when you abandoned our movement. And so that was

546
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: a hard kind of first few days where even when

547
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: we were jamming with each other, it wasn't the same,

548
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: like we changed those words. And then we start playing

549
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: a groove and he's just like going through the motions

550
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: and I'm not really dead, and I'm like, man, something

551
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: better happened. I was all right, three am, I'm gonna leave.

552
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: That's three am. All right, three fifteen. It don't happen.

553
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave. And the craziest thing happened. I said,

554
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: all right, let me just take a break and then

555
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: we'll come back and just one more time.

556
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna try.

557
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: This thing, and if it doesn't work this time, then

558
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: it's an end of an era. And so I happened

559
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: to go into the break room and The Fresh Prince

560
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: of bel Air was on Nicked night.

561
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: It was an episode where Carlton was doing the Carlton right.

562
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: And earlier Dad played me sugar Daddy, and that made

563
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: me mad because damn funkiest shit on this record, and

564
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm not on this record. I'm not on Sugar Daddy,

565
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: And so that was fucking with me because he's like

566
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: playing it.

567
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: And like stank facing, like he's the.

568
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Only mother icker I know that gets high on his

569
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: own supply.

570
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: Like his level of funk moves him, like when he

571
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: hears his ship, he feels that shit, and I have

572
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: to act like I like it.

573
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: Whoo, that's dope.

574
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: You have to you have to not feel the self

575
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: denial part of it.

576
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm like, wait a minute, are you playing

577
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: this for me because you want me to drum on

578
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: this thing or.

579
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: You just showing me that you moved on without me?

580
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: And so you know, once he told me the story

581
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: that Bill Withers drummer James Gapson, who is I mean,

582
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: my idol. He is, like just his entire resume is

583
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: just mind blowing. He tells the story that James and

584
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: heard the groove for Sugar Daddy on Black Messiah, and

585
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: he says, all right, play the song back for me,

586
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: and he goes to the booth, puts the headphones on.

587
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: He's just trying to figure out what he would do.

588
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: So he starts doing this like then he picks up

589
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: to six. He's like, all right, I'm ready to go

590
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: and they're like, no, that was it, thank you. He's

591
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: like no, no, no, I was just hit my lap.

592
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: Like oh, They're like that was perfect.

593
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: James Gadson never played the drums because just the.

594
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: Whole hand boon sound though the collapse in Sugar Daddy

595
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: was enough for D'Angelo and I was like, well, damn,

596
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: that's an incredible story.

597
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: So I definitely know I'm not drumming on this song.

598
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: And so the whole time, like I feel like an outcast,

599
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: Like not only am I getting judged for a career

600
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: move I did, but now you're just flawning in me

601
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: that you got someone else that's my idol from my

602
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: childhood and you know I got someone better than like

603
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And so in my mind, I'm like, well,

604
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: this is probably gonna be the funky song on the record.

605
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: So I immediately went back to Prince Language and I said,

606
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: if this is Sheila E's album, this song is a

607
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: love Bizarre. And for if you're a Prince fan and

608
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: you listen to Sheila EA's record, love Bizarre is third

609
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: on that album. But for me, the way that my

610
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: mind thinks in terms of sequencing, Love Bizarre really starts

611
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 3: with the second song, which is Dear Michael Angelo, which

612
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: is a song that people ignore. But if you are

613
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: an album person, you know what's happening next. I mean,

614
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: it's almost like knowing that Billy Jean's gonna come right

615
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: after beat It, or that human nature is gonna come

616
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: at like you can't separate the positioning of other songs

617
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: and how you judge an album.

618
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: Skypager into scenario.

619
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Exactly, we don't treat what as its own song?

620
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: Right?

621
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: What is just a movie trailer?

622
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: Oh? What in? Instead of just right?

623
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Right?

624
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Right?

625
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: So basically what is an incredible song? But in your mind,

626
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: you know you got three minutes to do what you

627
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: gotta do so that when that Areo comes on, you're

628
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: all in. And I've never listened to what on its

629
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: own without expecting what chicka what?

630
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Right? In my mind?

631
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: This is this is how calculating I am, and how

632
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: petty I am. I said, okay, okay, I need to

633
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 3: get in front of this train. Whatever song comes before

634
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: Sugar Daddy, I need to be on that song. I

635
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: got to create the Dear Michael Angelo that comes right

636
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: before Love Bizarre. And so I'm back on the drum

637
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: set and I'm thinking of Carolton doing this dance. So

638
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: I said, okay, I'm gonna take you out your comfort zone.

639
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 3: D I'm not gonna do no head nodding dell of shit.

640
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: And I started playing this thing on the time time.

641
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm not even looking at dal on the piano. I'm

642
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: just in my mind. I'm trying to imagine people in

643
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: the audience, black people doing the Carlton or like, like,

644
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: I want this shit to sound like Fleetwood Mac shit

645
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: with some ump to it. And I don't know how

646
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: I forced the will, but this is out the song

647
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: charade got made, which I was like, I gotta be

648
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: the song that's right before Sugar Daddy.

649
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: So that I can territorial piss.

650
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: And then when I'm done, okay, James Gatson, come in

651
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: with your little hands lap so you know all that

652
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: have to say?

653
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: Is that back to his hospital bed?

654
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I just wondered, was he going to to

655
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: judge what became of my life, you know, because I

656
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: became so professional To them, I was a professional, you know.

657
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: But look at what you use your profession to do.

658
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: Though some are a soul and slid stone, like you

659
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, it's it's using your profession to

660
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: advance the same shit that everybody knows was fly though,

661
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know. I

662
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: feel like that's a different way to go about it.

663
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: It is sellout shit, you know, I know.

664
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: But you know, I think there's this mind state that

665
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 3: when we're in this rock and roll lifestyle or whatever

666
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: it is, that it's supposed to be debaucherius. It's supposed

667
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: to be hedonistic. It's supposed to be Watch the Lenny

668
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: Kravits Where Are We Running video? That's a great example.

669
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 3: Look at where are We Running from? Lenny Kravitz. And

670
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: for most people, that's what the rock star's supposed to be,

671
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: like like a bottle jack in your hands. You know,

672
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be irresponsible, and if you're responsible.

673
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Then you're seen as a suit or whatever.

674
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: So you know that said, I'm in a position in

675
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: which I don't think of myself as like the privilege

676
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: one percent or whatever, like people think the monopoly whateverver,

677
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: the monocule monopoly guy is like the feed up on

678
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: the desk. I'm not that person. But I'm also not

679
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: the guy who's count up change. So that Treaka and

680
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: I can split a bag of Famous Amos cookies and

681
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: a half gallon of orange juice while we watched Do

682
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: the Right Thing for the twentieth time in the living room.

683
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: So but you know, I will say that the conversation was,

684
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: you know, he was proud of what my life had become.

685
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: And so, you know, anyway, I've realized that maybe for

686
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: the first fifty.

687
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: Minutes of this podcast it won't up being your podcast.

688
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: So I want to know from you, new friend, what

689
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: is your general warning routine.

690
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: I make my little healthy breakfast. It's strawberries, blackberries, yogurt

691
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: and pecans and a bowl, and I have coffee and

692
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: I do wordle.

693
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: And then speaking of Barnman, is he also sending you

694
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: his custom word awards?

695
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: Now no, I don't think so. I don't think I've

696
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: gotten a custom wordal he sends me a lot of wraps.

697
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so now that wordle is almost at the bottom

698
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: of the barrel with five letter words, they probably, I believe,

699
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: at the top of two thousand and twenty seven, they

700
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: will have going through every five letter word that's not

701
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: a proper down. I mean, you know, Frank is a

702
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: proper down and Trump is a proper you know. So

703
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: now they're figuring out new ways to deliver words. So

704
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: now you can make up your own wordal clue and

705
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: hand it to your people's right.

706
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: I did see that functionality, but I haven't used it.

707
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Varmin's already on it. So you are conscious of

708
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: your health in terms had.

709
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: To be man because in the pandemic so right at

710
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: the beginning of it, I also got divorced. So suddenly,

711
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: as an adult, I'm really living on my own for

712
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: the first time too, other than when I have my son. Right,

713
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: I looked up one day and stepped on a scale

714
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: and saw a number I couldn't even believe, Like I

715
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: couldn't even like, I couldn't believe that my body could

716
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: do that much bread, I mean that much everything. At

717
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: that time, what I was eating for breakfast was like

718
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: a fried chicken sausage sandwich in an English muffin and

719
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: an egg and a you know what I'm saying. And

720
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: I had a little fruit bias. I thought I was

721
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: doing something, but like I just wasn't paying attention to

722
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: how I was eating. I didn't know how to cook.

723
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: I was eating a bunch of frozen shit. I was

724
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 2: eating take out all the time, and I wasn't really

725
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: being active. So you know, I look at what it

726
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: happened was that I did with with like Lpe or

727
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: that I did with Dante Ross, and yeah, I'm like,

728
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: my neck is like two times wider than it's supposed

729
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: to be, right, and you know, and I remember what

730
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: my body looked like then too. But you know, I

731
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: started being more health conscious when I saw that that number,

732
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: and so it drastically changed how I eat because I

733
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: actually started to learn about food and shit. You know.

734
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: See you're round about being forty five on the new

735
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: album You're forty five right now.

736
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: I turned forty five tomorrow, God damn tomorrow.

737
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well happy, Uh by the time it's

738
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: theres you will have been.

739
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: Forty five, of course, of course, thank you.

740
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: Do you feel like there's an unspoken pandemic happening with

741
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: anyone that's in the rap game and their inability to

742
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 3: get past the age of fifty?

743
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: I think I need you to say a little bit

744
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: more about that, because my mind interpret that a few

745
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: different ways.

746
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So my girl once kind of joked that, you know,

747
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: there was a point where follow me on Instagram was

748
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: very depressing because she said that your Instagram is basically

749
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: a digital morgue.

750
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and you.

751
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: Know, I was kind of in denial and I was like,

752
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: let me look, and then when I.

753
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: Looked, I was like, wow, okay, Well what I stopped

754
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: doing was, you know, in normal times, you know, two

755
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: thousand and fourteen, fifteen sixties, whatever, you know, like the

756
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: early first five years in Instagram.

757
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Of course I'm gonna like, hey, my favorite bowl of cereal,

758
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: or I got.

759
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: This new drum set mundane sort of.

760
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, And somehow my finger just became more concentrated about

761
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: things that I'm obligated to post and things that, you know,

762
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: but most importantly because I didn't want history to be lost. Yeah,

763
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: I will talk about this MC passing away and that

764
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 3: MC passingway, and this drummer passed away, and this musician

765
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: passing away. And there was one point where there was

766
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: more death posts than there were just regular life posts.

767
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: I wonder, just in general, because of a lot of

768
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: your subject matters of just like like when you rhyme,

769
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm listening to the inside thoughts of

770
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: your head. Of course, you know, it's not exterior rhymes.

771
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: It's not about I'm the best at my craft, and

772
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: I'll take all.

773
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 2: Used to be it used to be right.

774
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that as far as your evolution is concerned,

775
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: I clearly feel that all your rhymes are coming from

776
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: what your inner voice is saying.

777
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: It's some part of my mind talking to the other

778
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: part or what part of aizations.

779
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, five parts of our brain alpha, beta, faded, data,

780
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: and gamma, And I feel like those four kind of

781
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: like inside out right, like they're Pixar.

782
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: Is inside out.

783
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: And so in general, I'll ask you, like, during this

784
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: time period, is this a thought or concern of you.

785
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever said when I'm sixty, when I'm seventy,

786
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

787
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: I don't have kids, So I think maybe when you

788
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 3: have a kid, you have a purpose.

789
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: There is a sort of force of will to me

790
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: that feels like it shifts into automatic once you do

791
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: have a child. I don't know if that serves true

792
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: for everybody, because certainly there's many people who have kids

793
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: who you also feel like that will to exists not

794
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: necessarily continued on, but I did feel that shift personally,

795
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: that there was a certain offloading of desire to exist

796
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: just for myself, but to also make sure that this

797
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: being that I care about more than anything in the

798
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: world is also provided for and that I'm here for him,

799
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: you know.

800
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: So for you, it's just the second he came on

801
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: earth and you just felt.

802
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: Like it changed everything. It really did. It really did change.

803
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: It put everything that I did in a different context.

804
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: But the hard part about that is that it puts

805
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: my mistakes in a different context too. Like I had

806
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: a couple like a couple of years ago, maybe even

807
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: just over a year ago. I was like the brokest

808
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: I've ever been in my life, and it had me

809
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: questioning my life choices existentially because it's like, yeah, I

810
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: have lived so many of my dreams, but what does

811
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: it matter if I have nothing to provide for my child?

812
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, what how is he?

813
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 2: He's sixteen? Okay? You know, Like, what is the value

814
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: of having lived one's dream if that only adds up

815
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: to seventeen dollars and you have a mouth to feed?

816
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's like those it's a

817
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: different way of looking at everything I've been able to accomplish,

818
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: not that you know, of course, success and money aren't

819
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: always hand in hand, but specifically in the context of

820
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: how having a child makes you examine the things you've

821
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: done and the choices you make.

822
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: You know, all right, I almost feel like this would

823
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: be a private conversation, but I want you to no,

824
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: I want you to stay here because for me, one

825
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: of the biggest fears I have in life is becoming

826
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: a father fear and I'm not a father, and I

827
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: have kicked that can down the road, all right, when

828
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: I'm thirty three, I'm ready. All right, I'm thirty six.

829
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: And all it takes is just like a day with

830
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: one of the Root's kids for me to be like, Nope,

831
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good.

832
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: I wait till I'm forty one.

833
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: All right, forty five, I'll wait till that, and it's

834
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: time to shit it. Get off the pot. This is

835
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: the first time I'm asking these questions. I can't believe

836
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: I'm using my own platform to ask these questions.

837
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: So what was the feeling sixteen years ago?

838
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I was in a very stable partnership with

839
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: a very stable person. The only instability was really me

840
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: and my artistic endeavors and the risks involved in that.

841
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: And I certainly thought with all of my cells right

842
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: that in that year, like when I was living that

843
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: year of two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

844
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: that this is I'm committing to this future, like this

845
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: is this is the partnership I'm going to be in

846
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. So this is the

847
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: perfect time to bring a child into the world.

848
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: Am I allowed to ask did you plan or just

849
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: plank plan?

850
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you were ready?

851
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: Because in my mind, I always felt like, Okay, I

852
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: got to make this amount of money and I got

853
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: to have these projects done and everything, and then then

854
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: I'm ready Or is it just a thing where you

855
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 3: just jump in the water.

856
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: And I mean there was a little jump in the water,

857
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: like I said, Like my partner at the time was

858
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: in a very stable, like rock solid place, and I

859
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: still had a lot to figure out career wise, Like

860
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: at that point, I honestly didn't know if I was

861
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: going to be able to successfully make a career out

862
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: of music or not. But I was like, if not,

863
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: then I'll just get another day job, because I had

864
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: always had day jobs up until that point. And when

865
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: confronted with those thoughts of I don't know if I

866
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: could do this. What I will always do is just

867
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: look around and and remember that like almost every adult

868
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: in my purview, and this is just people in my circles,

869
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: people at the grocery store or whatever, like a very

870
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: small number of these people were planned, Like every all

871
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: of these people were babies once, and very very few

872
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: of them were planned. And it just reminds you that

873
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: just like as a species, we've just been doing this.

874
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: We've been doing this for thousands of years, Like we

875
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 2: know how to do it. We know how to take

876
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: care of kids, we know how to put our lives

877
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: in a position where if we give a shit enough

878
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: to do this, we'll figure it out, you know. Like

879
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: I that was a thought that comforted me a lot, Like, yeah,

880
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking on I'm looking at NBA on T and T.

881
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn Shaquille O'Neil with somebody's baby ones Like

882
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: that's crazy, you know what I'm saying. But like literally

883
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: all of us were in that position, and very few

884
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: of us were in that position in the most ideal circumstances,

885
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: Like that's not how it goes. Like we all have

886
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: sex and then people have kids, and then people figure

887
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: it out. I was a child of the eighties crack era.

888
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: My mom got in a lot of trouble when I

889
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: was young. My grandparents raised me. You know, shit happened

890
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: to me, Shit happen to all the kids that I know.

891
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: And I've had to check myself a lot and making

892
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: sure that I wasn't being overprotective of my son. In

893
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: ways it didn't even make any sense, Like, you know,

894
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: he's in a different circumstance than I would in so

895
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: many ways, Like not only is.

896
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: He in LA with you now? Like where, Yeah, he's

897
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: in LA.

898
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: He's in LA. Like he goes to school in Culver City,

899
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: Like it's not the South Side of Chicago in the

900
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: late eighties. You know what I'm saying, Like it's a

901
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: different environment. There's threats, but there's they're very different, and

902
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily like my fears aren't going to prepare

903
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: him for the environment that he's in right now. You

904
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It doesn't translate like so I'm

905
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: always monitoring for dangers that I am aware of.

906
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: What does his father look out for or worry about?

907
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, the internet or a sixteen year

908
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: old kid the Internet?

909
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: Oh damn, I don't even think about that.

910
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: The Internet, like the Internet, who he's playing, I mean,

911
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: it all goes back to the Internet, because it can

912
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: be social media, it can be who he's playing online

913
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: games with, you know what I'm saying, Like you got

914
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: to look out for people on roadblocks, and you know,

915
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: like what's robots roadblocks is a it's a game engine,

916
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: but it's a closed sort of economy where you like

917
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of people make difference types of games in roadblocks.

918
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: But predators go crazy in there grooming kids on roadblocks.

919
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: Like it's a very serious thing, like like you know,

920
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: you can you can enact protections to make sure that

921
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, things are as safe as possible, but it's

922
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: just such a wild West part of gaming that like,

923
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: predators have really taken a hold of that spot.

924
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: And Doug, I literally thought, the only thing I have

925
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: to worry about is sending them to the story to

926
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: get toilet paper or by flower or I didn't even

927
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: fathom or think about that part of life.

928
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the that's the part and like all

929
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: of my fears, you know what I'm saying, all of

930
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: the ghetto myths we used to make up like that

931
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: that's always so interesting to me to think about. Like

932
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: we used to make up villains in the hood, you

933
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and they were reflective of real things.

934
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: But we used to like tell like it's almost like

935
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: ghost stories about shit that would happen to you, like,

936
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: and that was the way we sort of knew how

937
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: to stay safe for whatever. But like, yeah, like it

938
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: don't translate to now. And I think being very mindful

939
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: of you know, your kids not having accounts on things,

940
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, trying to control the screen time and all

941
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: of that shit is really important. Like it's really important.

942
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: So a new fifteen year old just entered my life

943
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: right now in terms of mentorship, and you know, their

944
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: parents sort of expressed a concern or fear of like

945
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 3: explaining like this is the most dangerous times of the life.

946
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 3: For me, that dangerous time was seven to nine, like

947
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: you know, the whole don't take candy from a stranger,

948
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: don't you know.

949
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: But but you know what that's reflective of too, is

950
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: that when we were younger, we used to go out

951
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: outside by ourselves, right right, And that's not really a

952
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: thing that happens now. So society has sort of changed

953
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 2: on that level too, Like I'm not. I never sent

954
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: my son to the store when he was nine or

955
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: ten by himself to do anything like this is like,

956
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: and if he had been seen walking around my neighborhood

957
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: or his mom's neighborhood at that age, it would have

958
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: looked crazy. Really yeah, really, I think so, Like I

959
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: think kids walking around with other kids, that's one thing.

960
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like a third fourth grader walking

961
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: around solo, I don't see that much out here.

962
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: Then I'm the most blessed even being on earth, because like,

963
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: starting in third grade by myself, I would take the trolley,

964
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: the subway and another train to go to school circle

965
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: back by myself, and.

966
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: Did a lot of that too when I was younger.

967
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: But I think that if I sent my kid out

968
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: into the world now the way I was sent out

969
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: into the world, it would look crazy.

970
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: So this is one of the adjustment things that I

971
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: thought was normal in the seventies and eighties, like a

972
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: like a carporal punishment, like we are like I think

973
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: I think it's similar to that, Like that sort of

974
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: all thought that was normal.

975
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, got it.

976
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: To our listeners out there. I really apologized. I was

977
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: trying to sneak in Mike's profession.

978
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: But I told you guys at the beginning that the

979
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: format of the show is gonna be way different than

980
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 3: just like your first musical memory, what was your first

981
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: memory in life?

982
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: I want to say it was walking into my grandmother's

983
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: apartment when I was like I had to be three

984
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: or four or something like that. But the reason I

985
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 2: would remember it is because it became where I lived,

986
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, So I feel like it was my first

987
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: time walking into what would become my childhood home.

988
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: And for the record, and this blew my mind when

989
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 3: I did your podcast, could you share with the audience

990
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 3: the first rap song you ever heard in your life?

991
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: Oh? My mom, I got in a car. Remember I

992
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: told you my I got in some trouble because she

993
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: was she was an eighties kind of party girl some

994
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 2: so oh is she when she has you? Oh? I don't.

995
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know how if I know how to

996
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: do that math, but I would say it had to

997
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: be early twenties. I had to be early twenties, Okay.

998
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: I got in her car because this is one of

999
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: the days I wasn't living with her, but she picked

1000
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: me up from school that day. We was staying at

1001
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: her house for the weekend. R This was first grade.

1002
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 2: I get in her car and she's playing Easy. I

1003
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: distinctly remember hearing we Want Easy, and I remember hearing

1004
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 2: is it Nobody Moved, Nobody get hurt? Yes, those are

1005
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: Those are the two songs that I remember because I

1006
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: just couldn't wrap my head around like the bang process. Yes,

1007
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: the process by which this was happening, Like I didn't

1008
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: know how to deal with it, Like I'm in my

1009
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: mother's car, I'm hearing music with curse words in it

1010
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't like it made me feel like if I

1011
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: was in a movie and it would have been a

1012
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: part where she would have covered my eyes, but like

1013
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 2: she's just playing it. And this guy's voice sounds funny,

1014
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: like I can't even tell if he's like a serious

1015
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: person or not.

1016
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: Sounds like a cartoon.

1017
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredibly entertaining to me. And I'm just

1018
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: sitting here like wide eyed and slack jaw, like not

1019
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: even knowing how to engage with this. And that was

1020
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: the first rap music I ever heard in my life.

1021
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: At ten years old. What do you remember about Chicago?

1022
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: So that's when I'm going to Drake elementary school, which

1023
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: doesn't exist anymore, but it was a school in the

1024
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: middle of the projects. One of my craziest memories from

1025
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: that school is that we had a kid who transferred

1026
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: in seemed like a generally cool kid, got along with everybody.

1027
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: He was leaning back in his chair one day in

1028
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: the back of the class and we all heard a

1029
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: crash and everybody started laughing because he fell. But then

1030
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: he like didn't get up, and then they took him

1031
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: to the hospital. And I still don't understand these words,

1032
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: but the teacher told us that they were told that

1033
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: this little boy, because he went he was living in

1034
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: the projects immediately surrounding the school. This little boy had

1035
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: a s them full of cocaine when he went to

1036
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: the hospital, and they were saying they don't know if

1037
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: he had an older sibling or something, or a parent

1038
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: who was dealing, but like it like h shit, just

1039
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: completely like an overdose basically for a child. And so

1040
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: that week all of our curriculum was thrown out of

1041
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: the window and we just had like Dare Like it

1042
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: was like Dare programming like all week long.

1043
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: When I first visited Chicago, I mean, we were taught

1044
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 3: to fear Chicago and really a lot of these one

1045
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: stop shops, you know, when you're first promoting your record

1046
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, you gotta go to Georgia's record

1047
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: shops and all this stuff.

1048
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: And we were just told, like Chicago has more projects.

1049
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: Per capita, like you know, Cabrina Green's right there, and

1050
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: Oprah's Pinhounce is right there, like it was amongst each other.

1051
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 3: So in general, are you walking around like it's normal

1052
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: or are you consumed with any second you could be

1053
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 3: out of here.

1054
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: So it felt very normal to me, but I could

1055
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: tell that to the adults in my life, it wasn't

1056
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: very normal. Like I could tell that to my grandparents,

1057
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't very normal. Like we would hear gunshots outside

1058
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: of our building and they would tell us to get low,

1059
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: but like you could you could see that it was

1060
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: like very frustrating to them, you know what I'm saying.

1061
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: Like we didn't live in the projects. We lived in

1062
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: a you know, a set of high rises that were

1063
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: very close to us, another set of projects. So for us,

1064
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: it was normal, like hearing gunshots, like crime, like you know, crackheads, crackheads.

1065
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: We had, you know, like drug addicts in our family

1066
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: and seeing your auntie turn into something else that was

1067
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: very normal. But when I look back on it, it

1068
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: seems crazy and like I feel like even now it

1069
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: would be nuts to see some of the stuff that

1070
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: we saw. But at the time it did feel normal.

1071
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: It didn't feel like and I used to come to

1072
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: call the four yar a lot too. My dad always

1073
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: lived out here, okay, but it never felt like super

1074
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: crazier than La to me.

1075
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: If I think of my childhood, I miss it and

1076
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: reminisce it often I go back. I'll rent a car

1077
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: just to drive in Philly, Yeah, and just sit on

1078
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: the corner, no specific destination. I'll just sit in front

1079
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 3: of my grandmother's house. Never get out the car. But

1080
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: just like that in Chicago, wonder like just see if

1081
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: old ghilst pass by for for you, like, do you

1082
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: have fond memories of what I would assume is one

1083
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: of the most dangerous times in Chicago.

1084
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, because it was my childhood, you know what I'm saying,

1085
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: Like it was my childhood now, you know, because of

1086
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: all of that. And it's funny because it reminds me

1087
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: of the pandemic in a way, because of all of

1088
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: the hurricane, the bullshit I grew up in. I was

1089
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: in a house a lot, so you know, the boom

1090
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: boxes and all of that shit, the stereos, like that's

1091
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: all Like I'm trying. I'm trying to, like Rea plain

1092
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: memories of shit that was in my house that I

1093
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: grew up in and I felt very safe, and you know,

1094
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: like my fond memories are around like playing Nintendo, you

1095
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Or like certain parts of episodes

1096
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: of The Cosby Show, you know, like like you know,

1097
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: it was earlier we were talking about you said the

1098
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: Epica gilgame action. In my head, I'm like Cleveland notes,

1099
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, version a cliff note,

1100
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: like that ype of stuff.

1101
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: That episode, or you end up on the street or

1102
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: on the street when they did that, like.

1103
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: That that type of shit MTV at that time, Nickelodeon

1104
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: at that time, Like that's a lot of shit. Like

1105
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 2: when I live stream sometimes I just find like our

1106
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: long blocks of time people have uploaded from you know,

1107
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: MTV nineteen ninety one, and well I'll just play that

1108
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: and react to it just because it takes me back

1109
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: to that place, Like a lot of that media is

1110
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: so important to me.

1111
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: Did you ever dream of escaping it.

1112
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 2: I think I did escape it. But that's how I

1113
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: escaped it was through the media, through music, you know

1114
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like through through the music in my headphones.

1115
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: Like that's I know it's fucked up when I say this,

1116
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: but it's the truth for me. It's why I never

1117
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: really got excited or could fuck with gangster rap because

1118
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: it always sounded like the shit going on outside my window.

1119
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: And I had enough of that shit, like trying to

1120
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: go to school, you know what I'm saying. I had

1121
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: enough of that shit. Lily wasn't funny to me. It

1122
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: wasn't cute to me, like like and we were talking

1123
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: about easy E but that felt like more of an abstracted,

1124
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: sort of cartoonist version of it. But like real serious

1125
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: gangster rap. I had zero appetite for that shit. Zero.

1126
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: I think that music was created for those that vicariously

1127
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: wanted to know what we were like without having to

1128
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: physically come in.

1129
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: And experience the voy your experience, you know. But I've

1130
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: known a lot of people even you know, in those

1131
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: environments that really connected to that because that's what felt

1132
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: authentic and really and they wanted the music that reflected outside.

1133
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: I just never wanted that. But that's why I think

1134
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: that's the answer to your question, because to me, the

1135
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: escapism was always like what sounds different than this? What

1136
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: looks different than this? You know?

1137
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: So I have a theory that you know, once nineteen

1138
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 3: ninety seven came nineteen ninety seven, really ninety two, but

1139
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 3: it came to fruition in ninety seven in which I

1140
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 3: felt that there was these lines drawn in the sand

1141
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: where suddenly now there are successful rappers, a list rappers,

1142
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: privileged a list successful rappers, and then to my left,

1143
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: you know, they're the underground, backpack rappers, you know, the subculture,

1144
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 3: the abyss, the below underground, and then there's the middle ground,

1145
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: right kind of a person that has their foot in

1146
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: both of these things?

1147
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: You know, in general, do you still feel the.

1148
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 3: Apartheid effect of you know, like if you were to

1149
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 3: meet a playboy PARTI right now, even though look I

1150
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 3: did understand the age difference and all those things right

1151
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: right right, Like, is it still the three way civil

1152
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 3: war apartheid that I felt it was back in ninety.

1153
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: Ninety seven.

1154
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you saying you felt it was, I'm telling you,

1155
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: on the ground it definitely was that. Now, part of

1156
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: it was marketing that we bought into, but it was

1157
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: serious for us. Like I was part of the kids

1158
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: that were ciphering on the corner. Like so when something

1159
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: like soundbombing or lyricist lounge came out, I was like, Oh,

1160
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: this is for me, this is for us, this is

1161
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: our shit, right like so that and then how the

1162
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 2: roots of that sin not intended, but the rulers of

1163
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: that sprang up and you know, you get you get

1164
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: most deaf and quality, and then they're messing with y'all

1165
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: and common. So like there's there's a sort of line

1166
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: to be drawn, you know, like back to but did you.

1167
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: Know that you were choosing the duebs? Did you know

1168
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 3: that you were choosing the Yeah, because the losers? Yo,

1169
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 3: I was in high school. Like I was in high school.

1170
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: I was in high school in Chicago, where like there

1171
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: were enormous philosophical, sometimes heated debates about Biggie versus pop,

1172
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: and I was part of the crew that was like,

1173
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: fuck both of them. We don't listen to none of

1174
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: that shit. We was listening to like early MF. Doom

1175
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: and Cool Keith and you know Doctor Octagon like like

1176
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: and really we were rapping, we were underground. Of course

1177
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: we were the dwebs. Like that was us, you know

1178
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And if you fast forward to now,

1179
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: I think what I often have to be careful of

1180
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: is not bringing those old dichotomies that I have learned.

1181
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: I had to undo the marketing part of it. Like

1182
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: I had to undo the fact that like a lot

1183
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: of these were artists signed to different offices within the

1184
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: same building, and you know, they were pointing back at

1185
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: us saying that this is the real shit and then

1186
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: this is the popular shit. But they was making the

1187
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: same money either way, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1188
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: I have to like investigate a lot of that and

1189
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: make sure that I'm not bringing a lot of that

1190
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: with me, because one thing that I've learned is very

1191
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: clear is that the audience doesn't separate them. The audience

1192
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 2: like listeners hip hop fans these days, they fuck with everything.

1193
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 2: They don't mean that they like every artist, but they're

1194
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: not going to not listen to somebody because they're underground.

1195
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: They're not going to not listen to somebody because they're

1196
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: mainstream or because they're popular.

1197
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: This is where we might differ.

1198
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: I'm under the impression based on just their early Internet

1199
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 3: reaction or just you know, it could be just the

1200
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: seven people that would catch me at the diner after

1201
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: show in Denver, or me putting my crates back in

1202
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 3: the car after a gig and you know, Houston or something.

1203
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 3: I was under the impression that a big part of

1204
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: our success was it's one thing to be chosen, like

1205
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 3: I choose you, like I choose to listen.

1206
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: It's open mic eagle.

1207
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 3: But I was finding out that a big part of

1208
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 3: our fan base or the attendees was more like, nah, man,

1209
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: I hate.

1210
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: That, blah blah blah.

1211
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 3: Which kind of makes me feel like, oh, well, you're

1212
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 3: the only one left. It would be like, you know,

1213
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, there's nothing worse than being

1214
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 3: the last person chosen for.

1215
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: Anything A sported, a dodgeball team or whatever. The fuck.

1216
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I'm here, you know, And sometimes

1217
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: I felt like that, Like I.

1218
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: Do, think it was different, but I'm but this is

1219
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. The marketing was in effect then. But

1220
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: right if you look at let's look at doctor MC.

1221
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: Would anybody be surprised to see him on a song?

1222
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: Which or J Cole or you know, Drake and people

1223
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: still like them or Kendrick or anybody like is there

1224
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: like maybe thoughting Carti is a little too far right,

1225
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: But that's more of a stylistic thing than like a

1226
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: popularity thing, you know what I'm saying, Like like literally,

1227
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, Carti literally mumbles, you know what I'm saying,

1228
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: thought literally elocutes better than anyone. So you know, So

1229
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: I think that, of course is a bridge, maybe too far.

1230
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: But I think in terms of the there used to

1231
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: be a stratifying based on popularity, you know, like you know,

1232
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: you look at the what they do video y'all going

1233
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: at the images of rappers who were popular, you know

1234
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. When now I feel like popularity doesn't

1235
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: play that much of a part in what listeners are

1236
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: choosing these days, not as much anyway. I think there's

1237
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: a lot less separation these days. I think there's a

1238
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: lot less separation these days than there used to be.

1239
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: So you're saying that you have hope.

1240
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying that I'm seeing out there in the trenches

1241
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: that it ain't like it used to be. That don't

1242
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: necessarily mean it's better, but it ain't like it used

1243
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: to be. Okay, that'll help.

1244
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: Look, I promise that we're gonna have a professional conversation

1245
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: one day.

1246
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: Sure, well, let's have three to five unprofessional ones in between.

1247
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 3: Then that half of the audience that stayed for this conversation,

1248
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, I think that's locked in. This conversation is

1249
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 3: almost close to what a therapy session is like for me.

1250
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 3: I believe that my general belief in and I hate

1251
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 3: just pitcheonholing the term hip hop because it sounds so limiting,

1252
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 3: but okay, I'll take it out of hip hop. I

1253
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 3: believe that the voice is the most important element of

1254
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 3: anyone worth their grain AsSalt.

1255
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: The voice is the thing that pulls you in. And

1256
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: you have.

1257
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 3: A voice that is like and I don't know how

1258
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 3: to explain it, but it's almost like a safe space

1259
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 3: of that of like a therapist or a psychologist.

1260
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this. I do have a bachelor's

1261
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: degree in psychology now. And at one point that was

1262
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: gonna be my life path.

1263
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: Well why did't you just do the extra four years

1264
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: and become a doctor.

1265
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: Because I moved to LA and got married and had

1266
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: a kid and started making rap music instead, it was

1267
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: that's a whole that's a whole nother side story. But

1268
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: I hesitate to even say that because it's not something

1269
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: that I do on purpose. But I genuinely like talking

1270
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: and like listening to people, you know what I'm saying,

1271
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: Like I genuinely enjoy it, like I can tell yeah,

1272
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, in.

1273
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: The podcast, I wound up like this is a confessional.

1274
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:04,879
Speaker 3: I think I said.

1275
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: That.

1276
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 3: My producers are like, wait a minute, he never said

1277
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 3: that before, Like you know, so damn you got me.

1278
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 3: Connecting is important, man. I just think it's important, and

1279
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 3: I think it's important. I think it's also important for

1280
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 3: people to hear people connecting that I do believe, which

1281
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 3: is this new format that we're on. It's going to

1282
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: take people to get used to this. But you know,

1283
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: I did this episode with Willow Smith once. I didn't

1284
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: realize how catharic that felt. I've never I rarely have

1285
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 3: done like one on one episodes, and you know, kind

1286
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 3: of the impetus of the old Quest Love Supreme was

1287
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 3: sort of like my ongoing hiding and plain sight things interesting. Well,

1288
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: I got Fonte here and I got like, I got

1289
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: the cat characters. You know, it's like D'Angelo in the background,

1290
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, voices. I always told him, like you do

1291
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 3: all these intricate back things so that you don't have

1292
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 3: to face the people, like you're somewhere back here, but

1293
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 3: all the music and all this other stuff and you

1294
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 3: know art. Yeah, and having that high, that first high

1295
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 3: of the cathartic healing that it felt to have a

1296
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 3: conversation because these are things that I I don't do

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Speaker 3: that often, Like this will probably be the first two

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Speaker 3: hour conversation I've had with someone this month, which is

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Speaker 3: more of a.

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Speaker 2: I mean probably stame here now that I think of it,

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Speaker 2: I mean, who has two hours these days? So, Mike,

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Speaker 2: before I let you go, I definitely want to talk

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Speaker 2: about neighborhood gods unlimited. First of all, can you just

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01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: talk to me about the process of your creativity, Like

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 2: when you are at the beginning of a project, are

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01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 2: you one of these artists who just sort of does

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: things by the daily and then act throughout time. There

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01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: maybe twenty five songs sitting around, and then you have

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01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 2: to figure out which of the bats can fit this

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01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: or do you have a concept in mind before you

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: release it out? No, to me, it's it's a little

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: bit of a hybrid situation where Typically what I'll do

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Speaker 2: is I'll start making songs. I'll get like five or

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Speaker 2: six songs in, and then I'll start to understand what

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to say with this music, and then I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is what I'm trying to talk about. And then

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Speaker 2: I sort of like finished the project, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, And I say finished, But I might only

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Speaker 2: be like a third in when I sort of when

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Speaker 2: the theme or the narrative or whatever I'm trying to

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: do really emerges for me, and then I sort of

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Speaker 2: take that through the rest of it, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Okay, so what is what is your theory with

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Speaker 3: Neighborhood Gods Unlimited?

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Speaker 1: Then like, what's what's your.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is a story, Like it's

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Speaker 2: a trauma story about what trauma does in a lot

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Speaker 2: of cases, and shadow shadow a per into a bunch

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: of little pieces, right. This is a story of somebody

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01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: trying to put themselves back together but going about it

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 2: the wrong way. And then that's that sort of sets

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Speaker 2: the table for everything that happens in this album one

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Speaker 2: way or another.

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Speaker 3: How do you deal with trauma in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have to give all praise due to

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Speaker 2: my therapists. Man, I really do. And I went through

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 2: a lot of therapists in my life, but I had

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Speaker 2: to find one that was specifically trauma focused because nobody

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01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: else is going to be able to get around all

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: of my verbal bullshit that I do to make everything

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: make sense in my mind. You know what I'm saying, Like,

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01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: somebody has to be trained in trauma therapy for me

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01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 2: to like get outside of myself and actually see you

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01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, what I'm doing, the choices that

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Speaker 2: I'm making, and be able to actually like start to reintegrate.

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Speaker 3: Kind of under the impression that all therapists should be

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 3: prepared for trauma in other words.

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Speaker 2: I think preparation, but like, there are specific avenues of

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Speaker 2: therapy that are built around dealing with trauma. And it's

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Speaker 2: not just like cognitive behavioral therapy or this or that.

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Speaker 2: It's like, this is trauma therapy. People do like EMDR

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: like that sort of stuff, Like these are particular trauma

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 2: centered approaches to dealing with there.

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Speaker 3: And so in terms of connecting, is this more of

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01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 3: just a cathartic exercise for you?

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Speaker 1: Do you? Like, what's your general fan base?

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 3: Because again, as as I stated, I feel like you

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: are rhyming from the inside of your head, right the

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 3: thoughts in your head, and you know, your courses sound

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01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 3: like affirmations, so it's almost like I hear you actively

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01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: working it out in general when you are performing or

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01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 3: just getting general feedback of it, Like what's the reaction

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Speaker 3: as far as like the connection, and.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, I feel like people that enjoy it, because

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Speaker 2: there's obviously it's people who aren't who don't, but the

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Speaker 2: people that do, they can enjoy it on a bunch

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: of levels or different levels. Like some people just like

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01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: like you say, some people just like how my voice sounds,

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01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: some people like the ways the choruses are, some people

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01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 2: like the sort of beat choices that I make, and

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01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 2: some people get really really deep into trying to unpack

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01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: the story of the album and dig really deep into it.

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 2: Now that's you know, that's what I'm always most pleased by.

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: But I understand that that's asking a lot of a

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01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: rap listener to like try to put a puzzle together.

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01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 2: But to me, like that's like the work that most

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01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: interests me from other people from like film directors, authors, whatever,

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01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 2: like it does that like it doesn't necessarily handhold you

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01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 2: through the entire process, you know, like it asks you

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 2: to like jump in here, make an impression, make an interpretation,

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Speaker 2: and see where you land.

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Speaker 3: I want to know, like, are you a night person

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01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 3: creating this? Are you you a morning person? If we

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Speaker 3: weren't podcasting right now, would you be?

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: I have another podcast that I usually tape during this time.

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01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, no, no, don't apologize. I mean actually

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Speaker 2: we don't even we don't even podcast here. We have

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Speaker 2: like a planning meeting we usually do during this time.

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Speaker 2: But like, typically this part of my morning is just

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Speaker 2: about every day is me sitting in this room talking

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: on this microphone for one reason or another. And so

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01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 2: I tend to work on my creative works after this

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Speaker 2: into the afternoon, and then when I have my son,

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to pick him up from school and we

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01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: have an evening, and when I don't have him, I

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Speaker 2: might be working all night.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of podcasting, can we expect anything? Well? Wait, how

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: many do you have so far?

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Speaker 2: Besides how many podcasts? Yes? Uh, okay, what had Happened

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Speaker 2: was in past Due? Those are the only two active

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01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 2: ones right now. Past Do is a podcast I do

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01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 2: with Anna Marie Cox where we talk to creators about

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 2: like their financial realities. So that's like a whole different beast.

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01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 2: And then you know, I'm cooking something else. I'm cooking

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: something else that you know, Uh y'all might hear about

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01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: association with the with the family over here?

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about it?

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01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm working on this podcast called uh well,

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Speaker 2: the working title is called The Album that Changed My

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01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: Life h where I interview people from all walks of

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: life about the music that changed them, the music that

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01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: sticks with them, their their favorite music ever. And the

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Speaker 2: way that the show is constructed will have somebody involved

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Speaker 2: in that project there in the conversation too, and we

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Speaker 2: think it'll give it an interesting insight into the person

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Speaker 2: that we're talking to and that music. And I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited to start digging into that.

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Speaker 3: All right there, I ask you, can you give us

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 3: a what is the album that changed your life? In

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01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 3: see but is it the album that changed your life?

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01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: Or is it your favorite album?

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: I think for different guests it'll be a different answer,

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Speaker 2: like what I would go with, like if I was

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Speaker 2: if I was a guest and not the host, I

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Speaker 2: would to say Midnight Marauders. And you know, what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: and I would talk to anybody for midnight marauders, you know,

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01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 2: whether it be a Q tip or by Power or

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Speaker 2: you know, Ali or whoever we could talk to it.

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Speaker 2: It'd be that sort of configuration. I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying we got nothing like that in the can. I

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: don't want people getting too excited. But that's where we

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Speaker 2: aim it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we got to aim high if we're doing this,

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Speaker 3: behind it one hundred percent. Well, thank you, brother, I

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01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: really appreciate you. Uh, probably the most unusual episode of QLs,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I will let our audience know that. Selfishly,

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Speaker 3: I decided to use Mike's episode as my own therapy

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Speaker 3: session because.

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Speaker 2: I think we're all the better for it. It's always

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01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: a pleasure to talk to you, and I feel I

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01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 2: feel privileged to peel some of the layers back in

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01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 2: either direction. You know what I'm saying, and actually, you know,

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01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: forge a relationship, you know what I'm saying, because I

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01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: think that's really important. It asked that.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, brother, I appreciate it.

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 3: Plead go open, Mike Eagle, this is QLs and I

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