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Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest things for the young

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Speaker 2: Oh man, thank y'all for having me. Very happy to

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Speaker 1: Right, the people that look like you, so your skin

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Speaker 2: And again going back to you know, is it my people? Right?

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Speaker 2: And so to hear something like ninety percent, I think

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Speaker 2: I think in practice, we're just very entrenched in what

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Speaker 2: they don't deserve our time, our energy. I think now

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Speaker 2: kind of like we always say, like they test out

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Speaker 3: And look what's happening.

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense to me because One of the

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Speaker 2: The definition of someone who is transgender is someone who

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Speaker 2: Transgender is not a sexual orientation, which is who you

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Speaker 5: Those are deep thought provoking questions. Thank you for that, Aaron.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the easiest ways to explain this is.

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Speaker 2: To stop projecting what you think you see on people,

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to a word that you

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Speaker 1: The word clocked. What does that mean exactly?

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Speaker 2: So that would mean if you are trans, and let's

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Speaker 2: This would be being clocked, right.

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Speaker 2: Not a woman, right, This would be being clocked in

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Speaker 3: And that's what being clocked is, and it's actually very

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could imagine it sounds very dangerous because I

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's extremely dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you have trans people that go in between passing

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Speaker 3: But it's a life and death game.

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Speaker 2: But also I would like to remind folks that this

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if you have any idea of any

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've read some compilations of.

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Speaker 3: C Riley Snorton's book Trans On Both Sides talks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've work at a place that is obviously

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes it's hard to do research on this

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Speaker 2: Trans lives understandable, right, they think that, you know, people

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Speaker 3: So I think this is a group that it would.

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Speaker 5: And arin based on your experience and your work and

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Speaker 2: I think that people would really have to really take

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Speaker 3: I think black people in particular have.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I think this goes right into what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: And I think that there are many of us that

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Speaker 2: That's why it's homophobia.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: It scares people. It definitely scares Black people who share

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Speaker 2: it's tied up in our families.

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Speaker 3: It's so deep with us, and.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to reckon with that Grandma and them

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Speaker 2: we also don't want to be the ones to have

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Speaker 3: That's so powerful.

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Speaker 1: Yes, like, there were so many amazing points in there,

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Speaker 1: how do we go about having those conversations? Right, let's

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Speaker 2: please don't front about what.

441
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: Other cis hetero people say about us.

442
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: Don't pretend like it don't come up, don't pretend like

443
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: rude things don't get said, don't pretend very deep, hurtful

444
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: things don't get said. Don't front because we all know,

445
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: and let's not act like folks ain't bold about it

446
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: that folks were transphobia and homophobia proudly. Actually they actually

447
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: stand in being heterosexual stronger by being very homophobic, being

448
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: very transphobic.

449
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: Right.

450
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: There are studies that say that the definition of heterosexuality

451
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: is more the absence of homosexuality right, that homosexuality existed first,

452
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: and that so much of the heterosexual identity is tied.

453
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: Up in not being homosexual right.

454
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: And so I think this kind of ties in what

455
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: we're talking about with conversations is that let's not front

456
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: about what people believe in say, and let's not act

457
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: like there are aren't opportunities to check folks right where

458
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: they're at.

459
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: And I don't think you need a.

460
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: Bunch of information and a whole lot of books and

461
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: all this stuff because it's coming up because it's existed, right.

462
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: People act like, you know, there's.

463
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: All this new fangled and all this none of this

464
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: stuff is deal. It's been going on. It's just that

465
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: same erasure in our families, pretending that it ain't there

466
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: until it bothers you and you want to say something hurtfect.

467
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: And so I think the how is about seizing the moment,

468
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: you know, kind of what's going on around us when

469
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: those things come up. We need folks to stand strong

470
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: and like this isn't right. I was recently having a

471
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: conversation saying like how, you know, like I almost don't

472
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: know any CIS gender, CIS hetero people that are just

473
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: like really forward about supporting trends people I don't know,

474
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: and I think the reason is because they fear what

475
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: people will think about them if they go too hard

476
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: for it, And then that should also raise up questions

477
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: for yourself right there. That's an issue. So I think

478
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: that when those offensive things come.

479
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: Up, you have to say something. You have to be bold.

480
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: And I think we have to know that it ain't

481
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: gonna take one conversation. We deep up into white supremacy

482
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: conversations in years and years. We bout four five hundred

483
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: to have many years and and folks think, like I

484
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: had my one conversation about trans people and it was

485
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: real uncomfortable, and I'm good, y'all heard what I thought

486
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: about it. We're good on that, right. I know what

487
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: I think. Okay, I'm gonna be quiet now. You know

488
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: that's not what it is. It's gonna take a lot

489
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: of repetition, which is what learning is. Repetition, repetition of

490
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: the truth that black trans folk are black folks, point blank, period,

491
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: and that any liberal ideas without black trans people, black

492
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: LGTBT people, it's not liberation work for black people. It's

493
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: separating out who deserves and who doesn't. And us being

494
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: re entrenched in those patterns of white spency. So had

495
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: a conversation or get out the way. Okay, So we

496
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: have to have the conversations. Okay, Now, how do we

497
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: have those conversations with our friends and family that are

498
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: entrenched in religion, because that's one of the things, like

499
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: you mentioned that earlier about how our religion has played

500
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: a role in homophobia and transphobia, and so how do

501
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: we engage in those conversations with our friends and family

502
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: that will try to invoke religion into the conversation. I

503
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: think a lot of this is of course, reminding us

504
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: to do our research and understand a lot about the

505
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: religions that we are putting these ideas out and that

506
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: we are in a white supremac system. We're in the West.

507
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: It's a westernized situation, right. Christianity is originally a Eastern

508
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: religion from Ethiopia, and that a lot of the ideas

509
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: that we understand now we're talking about through years and

510
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: years of translation meetings and changings and things like that.

511
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: When it comes to our religion, we have to know

512
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: that there are a lot of harmful ideas that we've

513
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: carried with those translations, Right, especially once it got translated

514
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: into English, especially when white people got a hold of

515
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: it and started using it as a tool of oppression.

516
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: And so once we can tap into that truth, and

517
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: I think most black.

518
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: Religious folks can get with that truth.

519
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 2: And I think what might be hard about that is

520
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: that that also alludes to some other traditional ideas they're

521
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: entrenched in, right. And I think that's the fear a

522
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: lot of times with having this conversation and shaking the

523
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: table with religious folks is that if they could come

524
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: to understand that a lot of these harmful ideas are

525
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 2: oppressing other black people, that they would also come to

526
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: understand themselves in a different way, and that it would

527
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: shake a lot of the other traditional ideas they have

528
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: about themselves and about other people that they love.

529
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: Right. And I think we have to.

530
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Just remember that religion and the texts of any kind, right,

531
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: not just Christianity, involve a lot of context, a lot

532
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: of nuance.

533
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: Right.

534
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: We have to remember that these weren't just like isolated

535
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: events and stories like these are real people, right, These

536
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: are historical implications that we're talking about here, and that

537
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: we have to remember for the time we're in now.

538
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: Whatever religious views you have that.

539
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: If they are the oppression and the thorn in the

540
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: side of any people's then there's a problem there. And

541
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: there's something hypocritical about what your religion says and how

542
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: it is in practice, right, And I think we have

543
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: to challenge each other on that in general.

544
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: Cool. I think that's going to be hard for a

545
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of people not saying that

546
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: they shouldn't do the work.

547
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: But isn't self work the hardest work?

548
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: Right?

549
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: It is?

550
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: We can all agree that it's that self work that

551
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: just really hits hard that we don't always talk about.

552
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: We like to give ourselves the benefit of the doubt,

553
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: and we can see everybody else.

554
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: We can see everybody else.

555
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: And I read this in a book recently about radical honesty.

556
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: How are you being radically honest? And what that really

557
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: means is what are those small things that you lie

558
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: to yourself others about all the time, and how do

559
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: those things manifest this fear? And how does that fear

560
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: turn into projection, and how does that projection turn into

561
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: control of other people? And then that judgment if they

562
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: deserve to be here or not right levels to how

563
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: we get here, And it does start at that self work.

564
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: It really does.

565
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: Now, Aaron, I want to ask a question, and feel

566
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: free to correct me if this question is not presented

567
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 5: in the best way considering what we're talking about now,

568
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 5: I think about people that will say they don't understand

569
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 5: or they don't agree right. And the question that I

570
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: have is is there a world Is there a space

571
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 5: that exists where someone can understand that black lives matter,

572
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 5: which includes black, translves black LGBTQ lives. And even though

573
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 5: this person may not understand or agree with this because

574
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: of their religion, because of what they were taught, is

575
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: there still a place for them to still be an

576
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 5: advocate and ally instead? Is that is that possible for

577
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: that to coexist for some people?

578
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a tough one, and I think this is

579
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: gonna be rough for.

580
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: Some folks to hear.

581
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: Doctor Angela David says something in her live stream the

582
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: other day that I thought was very powerful, and she said,

583
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: there are certainly some black folks that I don't want

584
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: to align with.

585
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: And I think that I was very taken back, and

586
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: I know how.

587
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: Radical she is, but as a young black lgbt person,

588
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: I felt her deeply, and so I think that I

589
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: have to step back sometimes when people are talking about well,

590
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: I just don't agree with that.

591
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 3: This is the thing. You don't really have.

592
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: That power, and that I'm taking that back. And that's

593
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: what the trans community is saying. We're saying, I'm not

594
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: giving you the power to accept or tolerate me. You

595
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: will respect me or get out the And I think

596
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: that's all it is to it, right. I think that

597
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: because again earlier doctor Bruce had alluded to a statistic

598
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: of ninety percent, right, and that statistic doesn't go into

599
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: the deepness of who is perpetuating these murders and these

600
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: harmful things that are happening, right, And we know that

601
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: a lot of it is our skin folk.

602
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: We've seen that.

603
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: Now, we saw you know, Eanna Dior get get jumped.

604
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: You know well, from what I understand, was going to

605
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: a protest situation, right, was supposed to be a unity situation.

606
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 2: And after seeing that, I talked to some young trans

607
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: people who said, I ain't going out there marching for

608
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: no black men. Look what they do, right. They were

609
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: very honest about it. I'm not going out there.

610
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: We know what it means for us, right.

611
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: And I think that, unfortunately, because the situation is so

612
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: desperate for young trans people life or death. I think

613
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: they ain't even thinking about it. If you want to

614
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: be an ally or not, this is survival, which is

615
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: exactly why the attitude is. You don't get to accept

616
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: or tolerate me. You will respect me and my experience

617
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 2: in my existence, or you can get out the way

618
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: and that we're not looking to liign ourselves with folks

619
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: that are killing us and rightfully sup.

620
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: And so then for those of us who do respect

621
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: the trans community and want to be advocates, like so,

622
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: taking it a step beyond being an ally but being

623
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: an advocate, what does that look like?

624
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: I've thought hard about this because the needs the list

625
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: is so long, but I would say beyond.

626
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: Just the simple educate yourself, right, I think beyond.

627
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: That, right, because that's what an would do, right right.

628
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: I think beyond just educating yourself in this capitalistic system,

629
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: young black trans people need folks to open up their

630
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: hearts in their wallets. One and when I say hearts,

631
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: and while it's what I'm saying is as I said

632
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: earlier that a lot of the young black trans people

633
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: are often talking about relationships, often talking about needing community

634
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: and not having it not having spaces for themselves just

635
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: to be able to exist, not having just a space

636
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: to feel safe amongst their own and that black folks

637
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: should start creating spaces for that trans exclusive spaces, because

638
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: we actually are living in a time where many of

639
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: the trans spaces are disappearing, many of the LGBT spaces

640
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: are disappearing, and.

641
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: For certain the black LGBT places are disappearing.

642
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: It's almost always integrated everybody party now, that's the push

643
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: these days, and unfortunately we still need to just hold

644
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: space for this community where they feel safe around their

645
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters, because we know how dangerous is it

646
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: is otherwise. And so I would challenge black folks who

647
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: want to be an advocate that after they've done their research,

648
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: that they look into those grassroots organizations that are doing

649
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: the work. That there are homes group owns, there are

650
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: trans people.

651
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: With funds online. I follow one on Instagram. It's called

652
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: for the Girls.

653
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: You know, all they do all day long is talk

654
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: about trans women who are in desperate situation that need

655
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: your money right now, that it's always urgent, and look

656
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: into give it into those situations. I think we often

657
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: just get caught up in big name organizations, and we

658
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: tell ourselves we feel good about that, right, go a

659
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: little deeper form some relationships. I think one of the

660
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: biggest things for the young trans people in my space

661
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: is to experience relationships that they did not think were

662
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: possible for people who care and who empathize and who

663
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: will listen to them. I think that's what it is.

664
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: It's really putting your feet on the ground. Not just

665
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: having those conversations with your family, but going into those communities,

666
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: talking to those people, seeing what's up, what's going on,

667
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: the same things that we're saying that we would like

668
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: folks to do with the black community at large in general.

669
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: Get in there, put your feet on the ground.

670
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: Love your people, feed folk, you know, dance with them,

671
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: feel good with them, feel good together, experience black joy together,

672
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: you know.

673
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: Soak it up.

674
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: These things are very important because trans people very much

675
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: so crave these things, need these things, and certainly from

676
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: black folk, certainly from black folk.

677
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: As you're saying that it sounds like the things that

678
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: are needed. What's so astounding to me is that these

679
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: are the These are everyday things that we all want, Yes,

680
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: and most of us have the privilege of having easy

681
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: access to and so I find myself feeling so heartbroken

682
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: that when you know, I ask about being an advocate,

683
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: that an advocate really is about basic human rights.

684
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: I think again, it just goes back to some of

685
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: those alarming figures about black trans youth and black trans

686
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: people in general, and that they are living lives without

687
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: those basic things that we need. That they're often in

688
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: situations where, if they aren't kicked out, being held hostage. Right,

689
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: you have families that don't always kick trans folks out,

690
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: but keep them close so they can't fully experience themselves

691
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: in that way. Again, you know, just somewhere to stay,

692
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: somewhere love exists, small things that you can do being

693
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: an advocate.

694
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want that it's come off the wrong.

695
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: Way, but I think I could actually ask, like, how

696
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: many folks who are not trands are in those circles

697
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: are hearing those stories?

698
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: That's an important question.

699
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that.

700
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: And this is not me saying go out and say like, oh,

701
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: I have a trans friend. You know, I'm advocated, and

702
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: I ain't saying that. What I'm saying is, let's not

703
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: be performative, Let's not perform it, and let's be real

704
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: and ask yourself about your circle, your community and who's

705
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: there and who's not and why.

706
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Not?

707
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: Just what why? Well?

708
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: I think I know we are definitely going to have

709
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: a list of organizations in our show notes that people

710
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: can people can donate to.

711
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: Awesome, I got some great ones I can I can

712
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: type some out.

713
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: And Aaron, if you could just tell us a little

714
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 5: bit about your story and you know, how did you

715
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: even become this advocate, this ally, this pillar of strength

716
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 5: for lgbt Q youth.

717
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: So interestingly enough, I think a lot of my advocacy

718
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: works start at the church. I grew up in a

719
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: very pro black church. They took me to see Amistade

720
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: when I was nine years old and they're crying like

721
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: a baby, but they were very forward about blackness right

722
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: and early on in my life. I think internally, I

723
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: asked myself questions about a lot of my favorite black heroes,

724
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: and I think at the.

725
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 3: Top of the list for me was if they would accept.

726
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: Someone like me because I fall under the LGBT umbrella.

727
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: I identify as non binary, which means someone who does

728
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: not buy into the gender binary of male or female,

729
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: or any binaries for that matter, and so I think

730
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: I always struggled with that, and I think that my

731
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: pro blackness and the things that I understood about that

732
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: and the way I was raised propelled me to attend

733
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: college at HBCUs, where I experienced many, many hurtful things

734
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: when it came to sexual orientation and gender specifically.

735
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: That I was, you know, threatened. I had someone break

736
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: into my home, threatened me, and a lot of their.

737
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: Language was around me being being gay. Things like that.

738
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: Just experienced many things at my first HBCU and my

739
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: second HBCU. I wouldn't say that I experienced moment like that.

740
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: I would say that it would be things like I

741
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: was in the lobby and someone would just make sure

742
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: to bring up how things are different now and homosexuality is.

743
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: Wrong, and you know, they bring up the Bible.

744
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: And this is a common theme at universities in general,

745
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: because I think most universities are founded in conservative views.

746
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: And then I chose to leave Texas and pursue a

747
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: grad program in California, which was not an HBCU and

748
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: where I was isolated because of my race, and so

749
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: here I am a young young student struggling with this

750
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: intersection of my gender identity presentation, and then also my

751
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: race where I couldn't quite find a spot where I

752
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: felt comfortable and I felt really good, where I couldn't

753
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: quite come into myself, and this caused me to kind

754
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: of step back from that, really kind of dig in deep,

755
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of what I was struggling

756
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: with was non binary iness, transness, understanding myself.

757
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: In the world around me.

758
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: From there, I moved home and then move right back

759
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: to California and jumped in doing nonprofit LGBT work.

760
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: And I've been on that ever since.

761
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: I've worked with young people between the ages of three

762
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: and twenty four. One of my youngest clients actually was

763
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: a young man who was six years old, and I

764
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: was assigned to him specifically because he was struggling with

765
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: things around gender.

766
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: And then when I met the young man, I realized

767
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 3: that a lot of what they were, what the struggle was, was.

768
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: That his grandmother was very religious, and that he liked

769
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: things that they didn't really approve of him liking. He

770
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: wasn't really good at basketball and things like that, and

771
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 2: he liked female rappers, and.

772
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: There were these things about him where I started understanding

773
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: why they had assigned me to him, and.

774
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: I think one of the most impactful things about all

775
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: of it was for me as a worker. Wow, Like,

776
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: this kid's going to grow up and a lot of

777
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: who he is. They want me to kind of strip

778
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: him of that, and they just want me as a

779
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: presence to keep him comfortable as I'm doing that, and

780
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: I kind of stepped back again. And then when I

781
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: started working with some of the older youth, I just realized, Wow,

782
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: this kind of goes back to that young man where

783
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: it starts so young, where young Black LGBT people are

784
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: told to not be themselves, are sent mixed messages, and

785
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: I think I would send some of those mixed messages

786
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: right the people that I know love me send me

787
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: mixed messages about myself because it's hard to hear folks

788
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: say I love you but also don't be you. So

789
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: it's a tough thing for a young person. And so

790
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: I pretty much dedicated myself around youth because these age

791
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: rangers that I'm talking about are spaces that we really

792
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: can capture young folks and make the biggest impact. That's

793
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: where I am now continuing that work and moving forward

794
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: with working on writing a collection of essays right now,

795
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: and it's called Everything in between, I'm going to talk

796
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: a lot about those nuances about LGBT people and everything

797
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: between those letters, everything and we don't talk about the

798
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: spectrums of things that we don't talk about and the

799
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: way all these things come together and a lot of

800
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: people's experiences.

801
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping to.

802
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: Get that out in twenty twenty one Covid willing if

803
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: I can't, Darin, that.

804
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 6: Was a powerful story number one, And I'm sitting here thinking,

805
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 6: so you was just gonna let us leave without telling

806
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 6: us that amazing story, Like, come on, now, that was

807
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 6: I mean, it was so moving, and I'm just very

808
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 6: empathetic about your experience. And I think one thing that

809
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 6: you said that really was just like damn when you

810
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 6: said you know, I love you, but don't be you

811
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 6: or something along.

812
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 5: Those lines, and it's just like, h let's just punch

813
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: to the chest, you know, and even about the young

814
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 5: student that you worked with. And so we appreciate you,

815
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 5: We appreciate you educating all of.

816
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: Us and so much.

817
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, we're so grateful, and we would love to

818
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 6: end our conversation on a positive note.

819
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 5: And so we want to shift up the.

820
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 6: Energy just a little bit on the podcast and because

821
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 6: we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate the multi faceted woman, and

822
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 6: we believe that it's okay to be classy and ratchet.

823
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: That's just how we do. Okay, we can still.

824
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 5: Be elegant and dance the strip club music.

825
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 6: You want to invite you, okay, to the oh U

826
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 6: clatchet segment? So Aaron's take on the challenge.

827
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, but I'm all for

828
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: the classy and the ratchets.

829
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna take you. All right, We're ready, We're ready.

830
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: Okay. So our first question, what is the most spontaneous

831
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: thing you've ever done? Oh?

832
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: The most spontaneous one? Nice standing, We have.

833
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 6: Some very interesting Yeah, it was good. It's risky, yeah,

834
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 6: keeping it honest.

835
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: I love it.

836
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: I love it all.

837
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 6: Right, Aaron, what is your biggest pet peeve? I feel

838
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 6: like it's going to be a good one. What's your

839
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 6: biggest pet peeve?

840
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: That the person that emails you and then they reply

841
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: to all of them and they keep coming in. I

842
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: know that's like but like, wow, I heard it twenty times,

843
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: like wow, congratulations.

844
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: I don't know, right, and yes, like then I got

845
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: a sad shit I type congratulations to so everybody can

846
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: see it, you know, very annoying.

847
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. Okay, So what is your biggest

848
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure?

849
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: Honestly, I really love when black women got the long

850
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: nails and they do the click clack when they're talking

851
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: to you.

852
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 3: I live for that. I live for the click clack

853
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: when you're talking to.

854
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: Me, like, wow, that's my tie, you know, like guilty

855
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: pleasure as hell. Okay, well clacking on me?

856
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: What's up? Okay?

857
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: All right, sorry y'all.

858
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 6: I had to mute myself because I was laughing too

859
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 6: obnoxiously loud for that one there.

860
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 3: And that was good?

861
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: Is it?

862
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: I turned on?

863
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I'm sorry. You just distracted. That's what came

864
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: to mind.

865
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 5: I love I just I just put your Cardi B's

866
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 5: long nails.

867
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

868
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 5: Okay, let's see what's your favorite drink?

869
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: This is This is an adult podcast, right, this is wrong?

870
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Hennessy straight straight up, Like I'm not a

871
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: mixed type person.

872
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: It's a Hennessy straight situation. I need it every time.

873
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: All right, we got honey on the menu, Okay.

874
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: To keep it anything as possible.

875
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I can imagine that anything is possible when

876
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: you hit the dance floor, so right, question when you

877
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: twerk or two steps?

878
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: So right now, I'm a mixture between the old uncle

879
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: two step and I do a little bit of the.

880
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: Tina from Bob's Burger's twerk. You know. It's like, yeah,

881
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: I gotta do the little back jerk a little bit

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Speaker 3: when it's getting good. Yeah, but I would say I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm a two steper. I'm a two step.

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Speaker 1: You got that honey in your cup and you got

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Speaker 1: that old that old uncle two step.

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Speaker 3: All right right, it's only right, right right.

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Speaker 5: This was so fun. Thank you so much, Aaron.

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Speaker 3: But shuh, I like that.

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Speaker 2: That's I'm normally not good at questions like that on

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Speaker 2: the spot.

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Speaker 1: That's what we love about this is that, like we

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Speaker 1: have gotten such a wide variety of answers, and everyone

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Speaker 1: has been just so willing to dive in and open

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Speaker 1: up in this way, and so we love doing this.

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Speaker 1: So thank you and thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: willing to educate us and create help us to create

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Speaker 1: space to have this conversation, a much needed conversation.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all.

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Speaker 2: I feel like y'all really made space for me to

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Speaker 2: just really get a lot of the young people's experiences

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Speaker 2: out here, and I really.

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Speaker 3: Do appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was very much so we're here

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Speaker 2: to listen situation, which is beautiful because a lot of

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Speaker 2: the times these young people, they don't their voices, won't

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Speaker 2: get out there, you know, the things that are happening

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Speaker 2: to them. We don't often have platforms and just let

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Speaker 2: it get out there. And I really appreciate y'all for that.

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Speaker 2: And it was it was a very emotionally charged conversation.

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Speaker 2: I felt it the entire time. Yeah, wow, Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: energy was just man, it was it was all so

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Speaker 2: you know, I felt that it was so close to us,

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Speaker 2: all of.

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Speaker 3: Us as we were talking about I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 6: I feel like we have to close out with a

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Speaker 6: group virtual hug.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Hey lady, is doctor Dom here from the her Space podcast.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a burning question you're dying to get

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Speaker 1: Every Tuesday, I'll choose a few questions and answer them

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Speaker 4: If you liked what you heard and want to keep

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Speaker 4: Twitter at her Space podcast or check out our website

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Speaker 4: at herspacepodcast dot com. And before we meet again, repeat

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Speaker 4: after me, There's something inside of me that's bigger than

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Speaker 4: any obstacle.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week, Lady,