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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four

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Speaker 1: oh seven, and today in the show, we are taking

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Speaker 1: a break from hardcore strategy and deer hunting deep dives

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Speaker 1: and instead sith like kicking back catching up with longtime

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt contributor and deer hunting madman Dan nine Fingers Johnson.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by on X Today. Um, we're doing something

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Speaker 1: that at least I personally need pretty darn bad. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's February, it's cold and nasty here in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: For the last I don't know month or two, our

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Speaker 1: restaurants and coffee shops and all that stuff's been closed,

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Speaker 1: so you know, there hasn't been the opportunity to do

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Speaker 1: the thing that that I sometimes like to do, which

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Speaker 1: is go get breakfast with a buddy or get a

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Speaker 1: coffee with a friend. I haven't gone to get a

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Speaker 1: beer with friends in years because of kids. But that

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Speaker 1: sounds pretty nice. But with everything shut down and stuff

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Speaker 1: being weird. It just seems like I'm missing just catching

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Speaker 1: up with a friend about some stuff, and maybe some

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Speaker 1: people out there are in the same boat. So my

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Speaker 1: plan today is to take a break from the hardcore

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Speaker 1: strategy and all the note taking and the lessons and

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Speaker 1: the serious strategy and whatnot, and instead just just catch

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Speaker 1: up with my good buddy, one of the weirdest people

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Speaker 1: I know, one of the most important people ever here

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Speaker 1: on the Weird Podcast, Mr Dan Johnson. Whoa, that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's the energy need. Do you have any sleeping kids? Man,

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Speaker 1: they're both sleeping right now. They're both sleeping. You can't

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Speaker 1: do a flare wou right now. I can't, But I

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Speaker 1: can do a serious fist pump in silence. Give me hey,

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Speaker 1: how about you give me? Do you know who Randy

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Speaker 1: Mashuman Savages? No, I don't know his his His claim

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Speaker 1: to fame was like, oh yeah, give me an Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I like. Dude. Set the tone. This is

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Speaker 1: gonna be an awesome podcast. I'm bringing the A game

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Speaker 1: out today, good man. I need that. I really need

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Speaker 1: it right now because I'm I'm I'm dragontail a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm dragontail. It's been like it's been a rough week

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Speaker 1: here in the Kennon household. I mean, we're we're all

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Speaker 1: healthy and safe and it's all okay, but otherwise like

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Speaker 1: kind of just need that pick me up. So you

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Speaker 1: got it, brother, I'm here. You are the antidote to

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Speaker 1: my woes. Dan, how the hell are you? I'm doing

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Speaker 1: good man. I haven't had any major kid debacles, you know, like, uh,

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Speaker 1: glitter in the dryer. You know, we have the occasional

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Speaker 1: fiec fec smeared on the toilet, but that's you know,

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Speaker 1: you come to expect that when you got a young man.

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Speaker 1: He's got a child growing into a man, right and

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Speaker 1: you gotta and we have a lot of flushable wipes

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Speaker 1: How about you. That's good man. I I don't know,

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Speaker 1: We're not quite there. I had I made a big

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Speaker 1: that was a real doozy and like a scary situation

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Speaker 1: there for a little bit. But everything's okay. But it

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Speaker 1: And then my older son got sick and was puking

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Speaker 1: and my wife's computer and all that stuff. So that happened.

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Speaker 1: Uh God, there's something else that happened too. But it's

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Speaker 1: just been like a bunch of stuff like that every day.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like there's some other small catastrophe that's

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Speaker 1: it's it's all right. It could be worse. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: stuff that's not zero degrees and nasty. I bet you

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Speaker 1: But it's snow and cold, are you? Are you saying

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Speaker 1: And I just the deer can't get to the egg fields.

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Speaker 1: Like when I went out there, I saw I saw

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Speaker 1: There's there's probably a lot of those deer they're thinking

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Speaker 1: crazy what they what they lived through. Yeah, And and

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Speaker 1: quite the animal. That's what I couldn't do it. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys get very much ice up there where you're

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Speaker 1: ten days ago we got that pretty good ice storm.

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Speaker 1: I pull ever since you know, all the thievery that's

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Speaker 1: limits me. But I'm thinking about going out and dropping

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Speaker 1: these credits are survivors, that's uh, that's for sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: So you don't know what's running around there out right now.

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Speaker 1: other day. This is about a week or ten days ago,

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Speaker 1: time I go out there and look, there's been pretty

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Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be really excited. So that was a

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Speaker 1: January and they're only given out like a hundred of them.

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00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: Um So, stuff is changing. Man, I don't know. I

429
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know what that means for the future, but it's, uh,

430
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: it's a little concerning. You know. I hate to say

431
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: this because it just makes me sound like that you

432
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: know that guy. But everything is just leading towards this,

433
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, the everybody says it the rich Man sport

434
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: type of thing again. You know. Iowa just recently, um

435
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, and I got backlash from this for voice.

436
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I live in Iowa and I feel that,

437
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, Iowa has a really good thing going, and

438
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: so they wanted to propose this law that says a

439
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: nonresident landowners can get a tag every year, an archery

440
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: tag every year. Well, what that's gonna do. And this

441
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: is my opinion, is UM out of states with a

442
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: lot of money are gonna come in. They're gonna buy

443
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: up all the land and they're going to you know,

444
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: all the non residents will be displaced. And Iowa is

445
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: already is either forty or fiftieth in the United States

446
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: for public land like we have. We have less than

447
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 1: two percent of our state is public land to hunt. Now,

448
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: that's all that's gonna do is just gonna drive all

449
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: these nonresidents to public land. It's gonna get overrun. And

450
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: I don't care what you can say whatever you want

451
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: about Iowa. You know it must be nice. It's not Michigan.

452
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: Public land in Iowa gets pounded, period and just like

453
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: any other state. So I I don't know. And then

454
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: I hear this thing about these this law in um

455
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: being proposed in Montana, and it's just like, man, why

456
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: like why can't a guy make the decision if he

457
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: wants to go through an outfitter or not? Like a

458
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: hunt just became gas money and uh and the tag

459
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: now it's gas money tag and an outfitter, and it's

460
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: gonna jack up the price of a hunt. If that's

461
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: something you want to do by anywhere from three thousand

462
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: to six thousand dollars, depending on what species you want

463
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: to hunt. Yeah, it's uh, I don't know. I don't

464
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: know what the answer is there, but there definitely are

465
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: these trends that are concerning and it's you know, some

466
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: of it is driven by demand. If there's increasing demand,

467
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: they're going to have to, you know, change things like

468
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: I think with like at least an Idaho or something

469
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: like that, when there's more and more people coming in

470
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: there getting pushed back from residents saying, hey, we're getting

471
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: overrun with people. You've gotta slow down. So there's probably

472
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: something that going on. There's some weird political stuff probably

473
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: going on. There's I don't know, I don't know what

474
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: the answer is on it. It's it's so it's let's

475
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: talk through this once because now I'm curious. Um, the

476
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: demand would be that the outfitters are getting all these

477
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: calls from people saying, I want to hunt your state,

478
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: but they don't have the tags to give them or

479
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: they're at capacity because of what reason. Like once a

480
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: person gets a tag, they can do whatever they want

481
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: with it, right, they can go. So where is the

482
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: demand is the demand for people wanting to uh use outfitters,

483
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: and the outfitters are saying, well, we can't. You know,

484
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: we were full, we don't have enough tags, because I

485
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: thought the tags went to the people and then the

486
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: people determine how they want to hunt. Yeah, And I've

487
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: got no clue on where the Montana thing came up

488
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: came through, and that that sture seems like a lobbying

489
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: thing or some some politician who wants to say this

490
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: is better for the economy of the state or something

491
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know, um But but I think

492
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: the general demand issue is more like why you're seeing

493
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: prices rising in certain states, or why you see quotas

494
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: going down for non residents in some states like Idaho,

495
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: or why it's becoming more complicated in some places. Because

496
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: I think there's just there are more people wanting to

497
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: do this kind of hunt than there used to be.

498
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: Um So, so I get the fact that management maybe

499
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: needs to change a little bit because of that to

500
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: make sure like the resources still being managed properly and

501
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: that we can handle the increased number of people out

502
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: there without ruining the experience and ruining the wildlife herds

503
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: and and all that. But but I'd like to be

504
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: more confident. That's because of good, you know, scientific reasons

505
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: versus you know, getting more dollars in somebody's pocket. That's

506
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: that's the part that I am less confident in. And uh,

507
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know you know the details of

508
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: anyone of these situations well enough to speak, you know,

509
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: too confidently on that. But um, but it's something to

510
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: keep an eye on, you know. I think if nothing else,

511
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: like we all as hunters should just keep our finger

512
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: on the pulse of what's going on out there. And

513
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: when we see something like this like the Montana deal,

514
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: let's use our voice. Let's say, hey man, that's that's

515
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: not okay. Let's let's keep this from being the rich

516
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: man's game. Let's keep this is something that's available for everybody, um,

517
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: especially you know, we've got a cool little opportunity going

518
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: on right now with actually new people trying to come

519
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: into the fold after the whole COVID year, you know,

520
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: new hunters finally coming into this thing and trying it out.

521
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: And wouldn't be a shame if there are these people

522
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: that came in and were interested and then they got

523
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: confused or overwhelmed or frustrated with all the stupid laws

524
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: and crazy prices and draw odds and all this stuff

525
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: and said that it's not worth it and then never

526
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: gave another shot. That would be that'd be a shame. Yeah,

527
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: it's almost like all you know that it's a blessing

528
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: in disguise, right because there's a spike of license sales

529
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But um, you know, they get to the

530
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: point where they start to get excited and then there's

531
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: just this wall that they can't even get. It's like, well,

532
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I could just go back to doing what I was doing,

533
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, instead hunting. Yeah, I'm sure there's there's I'm

534
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: sure there's been people like that who who hit that

535
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: and say not worth the headache. So I guess all

536
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: we can do is, you know, I just said, try

537
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: to keep tabs on things and then try to lend

538
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: a hand to those new folks when we do hear

539
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: from them when they're looking for a little bit of

540
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: advice on what the heck do you do about this?

541
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Or how do you get a tag? Or what does

542
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: this mean? Or what's this law? Or how do we

543
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: get points? Or I suppose that's one thing we can

544
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: all can contribute a little bit on is is try

545
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: to help the people along the way, and not that

546
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: it's an easier for us. We're all half half the

547
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: time confused too, But I guess do what you can, um.

548
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just talking about this with Kip,

549
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: speaking of Kip talking about this the other day with

550
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: him that it just seems like today in one and

551
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: going forward, all of us like if you want to

552
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: be a hunter, you can't just be a hunter anymore.

553
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: You also have to be an advocate. Like it's just

554
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: we're in a different world now. We can't just say

555
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: I go out there, I shoot my gun and I

556
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: kill a couple of deer and have a good time,

557
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: and like that's all you do. I think that now.

558
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: It's there's just so many different pressures on this thing.

559
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: There's so many different possible you know, folks that want

560
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: to stick a knife in the back of the hunting

561
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: world or wildlife or wild places that if we're not

562
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: also realizing that, Okay, if I hunt, I also need

563
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: to do this, which is pay attention and make sure

564
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm up to speed on what's going on. It is

565
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: making sure I speak up to make sure we protect

566
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: this right and protect these things. It is, you know,

567
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: giving back on occasion, whether that's donating to an organization

568
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: or going out there and picking up trash like and

569
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: you and I have had conversations like this over the

570
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: last six years plenty of time. Times like I just

571
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: think that it now should be it's it's a good

572
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: requirement if you want to keep this thing going. I

573
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: think we all have to just make that a part

574
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: of our our identity. Yeah, it's it really is tough

575
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: because I I know I shouldn't say I feel I

576
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: said I should say. I know that there are people

577
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: that will carry the weight, you know what I mean.

578
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: They will, they will be the advocates, They will spread

579
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: the good word. They will do what me and you

580
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: do on a daily basis. And I think, although that's

581
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: not uh enough, I feel like it helps move the

582
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: needle a little bit. Um. Now, if everybody was an

583
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: advocate and everybody had on the right shoes and they

584
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: did the work and they spread their you know, spread

585
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: the right message, um man, that would be awesome. Uh

586
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: Is it necessary? I don't know, Probably not, you know,

587
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: but it's a good mindset to have. Well, Hey, I

588
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, and I think that it would

589
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: certainly be better if more people at least and and

590
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: if we can redefine, you know, if if five years

591
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: from now, we could redefine what it means to be

592
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: a hunter, a deer hunter, like if if you're gonna,

593
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: if you're gonna take this thing seriously, if this is

594
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: a part of like who you are. If what that

595
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: meant wasn't just I kill Bucks, you know, if instead

596
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: being a serious deer hunter saying like I'm a white

597
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: tail addict or I live this lifestyle, if that also

598
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: meant within our community, like oh yeah, I like the

599
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: deer hunter. Ton I killed big Bucks And oh yeah,

600
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: I always you know, I'm a conservationist too, Like it

601
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: wasn't just I'm a trophy hunting big Bucks shooting sound

602
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: of a gun, it was also like this and that

603
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: they go together. Like if somehow that became just part

604
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: of our DNA, we'd be in a day am good place.

605
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Um So maybe I'm maybe I'm just smoking the pipe

606
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: here and wishing on a dream, but I can wish, right.

607
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: I hate to bring this up, man, but there's a

608
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: there are a couple of things out that are going

609
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: on right now, or we're going on and art and

610
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: going on anymore. I don't. I don't even know what

611
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: the proper words to use are. But there are people

612
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: within the hunting industry, I'll say, or the hunting community

613
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: who have very large followings and have been charged with

614
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: wild game violations and are either in the process of

615
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: the that you know, of going through the legal system,

616
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: or have somehow beat the legal system or things. You know. Uh.

617
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: One example that I've been following is um. I don't

618
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: I want to say his name to call him out,

619
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: but I won't. But this, you know, the dude baited illegally. Okay,

620
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: you know that's not a major one, but still you

621
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: gotta follow the laws. Then he shot a deer, then

622
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: he uh took a picture with it, then he put

623
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: it on social media, and then he left it in

624
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: the woods without taking any of the meat off. And

625
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: he didn't even take the rack off of it, just

626
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: shot it and and did the Instagram thing with it

627
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: and then let it lay, went got charged with it.

628
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: I followed along for all this time, and now the

629
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: case has been dropped and sealed, so then now there's

630
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: no more information about what's going on. Yet this person

631
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: is still in the hunting industry and promoting brands and

632
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: going about business as usual, and it drives me insane,

633
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: Like I I'm angry about this. And what I'm getting

634
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: at is we have we have certain people who are

635
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: the bad apples in this industry but have a very

636
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: big following, and they are still allowed to go out

637
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: and do what they do even though they have this

638
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: this this backstory or these things that have happened to

639
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: them that I don't know just get swept under the

640
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: rug and it and it really upsets me. Yeah, that's crazy.

641
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I know that specific

642
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: example you're talking about. That's that's wild that somebody could

643
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: get away with that. I can't wrap my head around that.

644
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean that kind of stuff that

645
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: there's just no place for that anymore. You can't, you can't.

646
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: That's just not okay. Obviously it's it's and especially from

647
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: someone who has a platform and who you know, people

648
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: look to as a role model, that's that's just really

649
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: discourage um. They represent us, and if that kind of

650
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: stuff gets out to the wrong hands, it's just more

651
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: fuel for anti hunters to come in and use that

652
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: as an example of why other people should join them

653
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: in the fight to ban hunting. I mean, you're seeing

654
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: it all over the bear hunting in California, right, the

655
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: bear hunting out in uh I think out east in

656
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: New Jersey or something like that. So all these it's

657
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: just one small step at a time, all these emotional

658
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: decisions are being made, they're ignoring logic. And then some

659
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: dipship does does something like this, and it's he's just

660
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: stabbing us in the back to right, and yeah, agree,

661
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: And that's exactly why. You know, we may not be

662
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: all control what this bozo does or whatever weird cork

663
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: in the legal system. Let him get away with it.

664
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: All we can do, I think, is you and I

665
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: and everyone listening. We've got to be the example of

666
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: the right way to do stuff. We've got to be

667
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: the advocate. We've got to do the right thing even

668
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: when no one's looking. We need to be the positive

669
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: example so that enough nine hunters out there see the good,

670
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: see the value in what we're doing, see that the

671
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: vast majority of us are upstanding and and want to

672
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: do this thing the right way and want to take

673
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: care of the resource. We just have to make sure

674
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: that more of us are those positive examples, because like

675
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: you're right, if if enough bad apples get out there,

676
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose this right. We're gonna lose our privileges,

677
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna lose our opportunities. We're gonna lose the places

678
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: and the critters and the firearms and all the different

679
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: things that allow us to do what we want to do.

680
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: That's none of us guaranteed unless we are doing the

681
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: right stuff and standing up for it so that that

682
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: parts that parts on you and me. Now I'm fired up, Mark,

683
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: Like I hate poachers. I hate people like that do

684
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: disgusting stuff like that, and it just I want to

685
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: fight him. I tell you what I will. I don't

686
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: you're talking about how you know? You were saying like

687
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: maybe you and your kid don't have the brains, but

688
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: you got the braun. Uh. I don't have the braun.

689
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I've got some small amount of brains. But if if,

690
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: if you and I could be combined into like an

691
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: anti poaching superhero of sorts, we could really take them down. Man.

692
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Not only do we like quote the law of Verbatim

693
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: to him, but then we just kick out and we

694
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: have and we have mutton shops and a badass goate

695
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: can you can you imagine like your side beard combined

696
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: with my peach fuzz goatee, what that would look like? Yeah? Yeah,

697
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: and it would It would almost be like have you

698
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: ever seen the cartoon Megamind? Has your kid watched that? No?

699
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: But I know what it is. He's like, he's super

700
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: he's like a super villain. But he goes up against

701
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: this character who's this big, brawny, you know, like Mr

702
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: Clean looking superhero and he's the villain and it's just

703
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: like got this big head, skinny arms and legs. So

704
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, remember gosh, over the years, we've

705
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: had a whole lot of these random I don't even

706
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: know what we used to call him. But we're having

707
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: one of those whatever we used to do, we're having

708
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: one of those again. What's the here here's the here's

709
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: the real question? Right? Okay, So we combine into this superhero.

710
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: What would our weakness be? Because we got it? We can't.

711
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: Let's the weakness get out? Kryptonite is Superman? Yeah? Okay, um, Godlee,

712
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: what is our weakness? Everybody listening that the five people

713
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: that are still listening probably are thinking of themselves. It's

714
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: so obvious, you dip shits. Uh, I know what one

715
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: of them would be, but maybe they would cancel it out.

716
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: It would it would be like, okay, here's some does

717
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: coming through. Let's say we're in a tree stand right,

718
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: here's some does coming through. We're doing a steak out,

719
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: and it might be all day long that we have

720
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: to sit, and it's just like eleven o'clock and it's like, well,

721
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't sit all day, so I gotta go. And

722
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: then well, maybe we'll be here when we come back. Yeah,

723
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean I think it could be your knees and

724
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: like my over analysis, like we'd have like some bad

725
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: guy charging at us and I would sit there. Well

726
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: we could do this, or maybe we should do that,

727
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: but that said, maybe we should go the other way

728
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: and then we get our ass caves. Yeah, and then

729
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: it's no, And then it would be like dumb luck

730
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: where the guy like trips on a stick and and

731
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: then we're got you you know there you go. Oh man,

732
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: that would be a hell of a superhero. Or we

733
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: would just be a dynamic duo right where we each

734
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: play ourselves but in an an enhanced version of ourselves,

735
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: and then our weaknesses cancel each other out exactly exactly.

736
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: That might be the better way to go versus some

737
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: strange man baby combination of us. Right, so, as it's

738
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: as eleven clock is um coming, you know, and I'm like,

739
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: oh man, we gotta get out of the tree. Mark,

740
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm starting to starting to get antie. And then you

741
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: just go on some filibuster where it's just like an

742
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: hour long speech of why we shouldn't do it, and

743
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: and by the that time, it's suns coming down, and

744
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, well, I gotta stay out here another thirty minutes,

745
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: that's true. And I'm so fired up and upset by

746
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: the end of it and stressed out, and I'm about

747
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: to get piste off and leave. And then you're like, Mark,

748
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: we just gotta have fun. We gotta enjoy this, you

749
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: gotta focus on it, you just gotta we just gotta enjoy.

750
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: And then you bust out some bush lights and then

751
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: I think that's probably how the show ends. Bush lights

752
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: in a tree stand. Yeah, I don't know. I just

753
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of had this feeling fantasy world. I like where

754
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: you're going. I just kind of like that would be

755
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: what you'd have in your tool chest in my backpack.

756
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: And like, Mark, shut up and drink this. It just

757
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, Batman had the belt with like

758
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: those little Batman Numchuck like stars or whatever. Like you

759
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: would have several fanti pack an American an American flag

760
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: fanny pack that I opened up, and it's got like

761
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: an Alan wrench, spare broadheads and then a couple of

762
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: bush lights. Man, we've gone to an interesting place. Yep.

763
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: You said that you had a few other big things

764
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: in your mind bringing laiding into this. Is there anything

765
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: else that we haven't covered on that front? One second? Um,

766
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: I got it. I thought I made a note here Mark,

767
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: let's see. Here are gear hunts stories. Okay here, um

768
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: gear all right. I went to the store the other

769
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: day and I shot Uh. I shot four different bows

770
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, well, I gave my phone to

771
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: my boy and we uh, I don't know, he sat

772
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: there and while I shot a whole bunch of bows.

773
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: And I must say I'm pretty impressed with so let

774
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: me let me back up a second. I shot Uh.

775
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: I went to the A T. A Show in nineteen

776
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: went to the A T. A Show in twenty and

777
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: I shot a lot of different bows. But in twenty,

778
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: I was there more for work than I was to

779
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: actually just walk around and enjoy the show. So um,

780
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I didn't get to shoot as many as I as

781
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: I liked. So in nineteen and twenty I shot the

782
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: same bow okay, so like throughout the whole hunting season.

783
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: So now I'm in this, uh do I want to

784
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: go out and get a new bow? Mode? Right? So

785
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I went to this sporting good story called Shields in

786
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: um in Iowa City, and I ended up going and

787
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: shooting through all these bows. And I'm gonna say this, man,

788
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: it is so hard these days to pick uh the

789
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: bow that you want because all of the bows that

790
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: are being manufactured, especially the top tier brands, are really

791
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: difficult to really break them apart, you know what I mean,

792
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: and and find find something like there you can go

793
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: out and kill the deer with any bow on the market. Yeah,

794
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you can make a bad

795
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: decision when it comes to any one of the brands.

796
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean you might. There's certainly like little differences and

797
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: certain things are certain styles. They're like how long about

798
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: you get or how much weight you choose to draw

799
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: by those types of things that could be right for

800
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: one person, wrong for the other. So I do think

801
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: there's like a fit, like what's the right fit for you,

802
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: But as far as like quality and the make of

803
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: all these things, you're you're still right. It's really impressive

804
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: what everyone's doing these days. Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty excited.

805
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go um on a little bow

806
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: tour here pretty soon. And I shot four brands. Let's see.

807
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: I shot a Matthews, I shot a Prime, I shot

808
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: at Hooit, I shot a bow Tech. I want to

809
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: shoot an elite. I want to shoot an expedition. Um.

810
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: I want to shoot an obsession. Uh. Those are the

811
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: three that I can think of that I haven't shot

812
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: yet that I want to shoot, but um yeah, man.

813
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: And then I want to go test out some crossbows

814
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: because I want to get something simple for my kids

815
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: to mess around with. Nice. So those things are deadly, Yeah,

816
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: things are very deadly. I certainly got some experience with

817
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: like the various new hunters we brought out to the

818
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: back forty and man, they can get set up on

819
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: those things and shooting accurately really fast. Yeah. Yeah, so

820
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: that's a it's a great option for the young ones.

821
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Any type of and it doesn't have

822
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: to be necessarily bows and arrows and stuff like that.

823
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: But is there any type of I don't know, equipment

824
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: that you've been looking at, whether it's for a western

825
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: hunt sleeping out of your truck or or a white

826
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: tail hunt? Man. Um, As you were saying this, I

827
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: was starting to ask myself that same question, and I'm

828
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of I'm kind of you know. The one thing

829
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at experimenting with a little bit is um

830
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: climbing sticks. UM. I started using these Timber Ninjas last year.

831
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: They're really sweet and mean. I really really liked them. UM.

832
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: But I also got the new sticks from Tethered UM.

833
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen those. They're called the

834
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: tether One sticks, I think, UM. And so I've got

835
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: some of those and haven't used them yet. So that's

836
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: one thing. I'm definitely gonna test those out and see

837
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: what I what I'm liking there. I really want to

838
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: just keep on fine tuning my mobile set up up.

839
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I felt really good about what I did this past year.

840
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: It was definitely the best I've ever done with that,

841
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: and I felt really comfortable. UM. But you know, I'm

842
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: gonna just keep on trying some different things on that

843
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: front and just keep tweaking it because I think that

844
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: having that dialed is really important when you move as

845
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: often as you know, as you do and as I

846
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: do now. Um, just having that down to the tea

847
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: is a big thing. So that's something I'll be looking at,

848
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: um you know. Otherwise, I just kind of sticking with

849
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: what works. I'm happy with my boat set up. I'm

850
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: happy with my saddle set up. Um. You know, optics,

851
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: all that stuff, same old, same old, um Man. I

852
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, I bought a boat, you bought a boat?

853
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: About a boat? What kind of boat? A drift boat

854
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: for out west? And I might use that to access

855
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: some new places when I do some deer hunting out

856
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: there in Wyoming or Idaho or Montana. Um. So that's

857
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: mostly more of like a fishing and family purchase. But

858
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: I did have in the back of my mind that

859
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: that would be sweet to access some of these river

860
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: stuff and and usually all of my white tail hunting

861
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: I do is you know, in river corridors out there.

862
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: So now with this boat, I'll be able to get

863
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: to those tough to reach spots or get to these

864
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: spots that, um, you know, you could coming from one way,

865
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: but you're it's much more risky as far as what

866
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna bump and this way can come in from

867
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: the back and slip in with the water on my

868
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: side and uh and not spook those deers. So that's

869
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: something that's gonna help me with some modest state hunts. Um.

870
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. Um that those might be the

871
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: biggest things. Um. Otherwise it's gonna be in My upcoming

872
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: year is gonna be a crazy one, Um I am,

873
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: because of some new projects coming up that are still

874
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: in the work. So I don't want to spill all

875
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: the beans, but I'm probably going to hunt my main

876
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: usual Michigan stuff almost like I don't know, like less

877
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: than I usually do. I'm gonna hunt very little close

878
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: to home and a whole lot of honest state stuff

879
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: this year. Um. Yeah, I thought that was something different.

880
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: Like I thought the last time we talked, you were

881
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: thinking about or you didn't know what your schedule was,

882
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: and you thought you were going to be staying home

883
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot more. No, it is the opposite. It's it's

884
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm gonna be gone so much that

885
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I can add anything else to it.

886
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: That's so I think so tentatively, I could be hunting Iowa, Maine, Arkansas, Nebraska, Texas, Missouri. Um, well,

887
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: what else is on this possible slate? All white tails?

888
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: All white tails? Yea? This year? This year, man, how

889
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: are you going to pull that off? Just A don't know.

890
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: That's that's the same question I'm asking myself. But it's

891
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: basically going to be the short, like week long trips

892
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: for this project. Um, where you're gonna go in and

893
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: out on a on a location and we're doing some stuff.

894
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm gonna try to Virginia or Washington,

895
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: Washington like DC or Virginia, one of that right around there. Um,

896
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be I'm gonna try to stretch it

897
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: out over a long period time, So start some of

898
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: these hunts like in August and continue into like January

899
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: or February, so that I don't have more than a

900
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: week or two of travel in any given month is

901
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: my hope. Um, but it's gonna be it's gonna be

902
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: a doozy. It could be a year where I'm just

903
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: gonna be drained like never before. Um, or it might

904
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: be a year that I don't know. Maybe because I'm

905
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: just hitting up different spots and seeing new places, maybe

906
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: that will be energizing. I don't know. I might kill

907
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: seven deer, I might kill zero. It's gonna be a

908
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a crazy one, but it'll be once

909
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: we get all fine tune. We'll have to talk through

910
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: all the details of we just place in what we're doing.

911
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: But um, long story short on that is it going

912
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: to be a different kind of year for me. So

913
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: those three bucks I was telling you about on the

914
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: main Michigan stuff, even if they're around, I don't know

915
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: how much I'm gonna be able to, you know, spend

916
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: on them. So I don't know, it's gonna be a

917
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: weird deer. Maybe maybe I'll get lucky and kill one

918
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: and you know a handful of random day hunts I'll have,

919
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: Or maybe I won't even want to hunt when I'm

920
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: back in Mischigon because I'm just gonna be catching up

921
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: and arresting and trying to catch up on family time.

922
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: And these deer just might get a free pass next year.

923
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: And then I'll have a couple of big old guys

924
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: to Chase. I don't know. I'm it's gonna be a

925
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: new kind of thing this year, so we'll see. Well,

926
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: good luck, man. I think that's like, uh kind of

927
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: going back to the beginning of the conversation here. I

928
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: got September, I got elk, I got October will be

929
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: mule deer in South Dakota, or maybe even to be

930
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: honest with you, first week in November. Uh, we'll be yeah,

931
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: November November, try to catch the first part of the

932
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: mule there rut out there and um, and then what

933
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: else and then obviously Iowa for the rut, and then

934
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: depending on what happens in October and South Dakota, I

935
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: may go back in December again like I did this year.

936
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: That was fun. And then January actually um like a

937
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: little bird landing on my shoulder and told me that

938
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: I should go to Arizona to try to hunt cou'se

939
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: deer in mule Dere. So January even might be uh

940
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: kind of a week long deal there too. We will

941
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: have to see what the wife says about that. But

942
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, man. One thing that I've noticed

943
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: is instead of going like back to back weeks, if

944
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: I could have a week in September, I don't really

945
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: do anything until the next time, which would be a

946
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: week in uh, a week in October, don't do anything

947
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: until my rut vacation, right, and then you know it

948
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: took me this year, it only took me seven days

949
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: compared to last year it took me fourteen days to

950
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: get the job done. Um, that's good, you know, So

951
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: a week in Iowa. And then if I do like

952
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: a weekend September, October, November, December, and potentially January, and

953
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: you spread it out all the right way and you

954
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: got all your bases covered, I think that might work

955
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: for me. So my wife didn't complain as much. And

956
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: this sucks to say, but she didn't complain as much

957
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: as she did in previous years. So hey, take it,

958
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: and I think you're smart with this. The spread it out.

959
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: That just that seems to work better than a whole

960
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: It's just it always, at least from my experience too,

961
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: it's always been like when a lot of days stack up,

962
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: that patience and it just wears thin and it grinds on.

963
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's to be on parenting on your own

964
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: for a long period time. I'm sure like that that's

965
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: that's not something I would be terribly thrilled about doing either.

966
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: So are you Are you heading back out west for

967
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: um uh for the summer. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna be

968
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: out there. We're gonna head out sometime in April and

969
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: stay through the end of July. So a big, big

970
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: chunk of our time will be out there this year.

971
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: And then I don't know, i'd like to still I

972
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be possible or not, but

973
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: I'd like to still hunt deer there locally too, by

974
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: our place. Um. But so I'm trying to have that

975
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: in the schedule to do that deer hunt there in September.

976
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: I just don't know with all the other things I

977
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: just described if I'll be able to do that. So

978
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be there a little bit September. Maybe not,

979
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: um but yeah, looking forward to doing a bunch of

980
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: hiking and fishing and camping and and all that stuff.

981
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm really really looking forward to that. I'm serious cabin

982
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: fever right now. Yeah, I feel you, man. Um I've

983
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: scooped my driveway like thirteen times in last five days,

984
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: so I I'm ready to get out and do some

985
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: mushroom hunt and some shed hunt and get on the

986
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: water or do some fishing and uh, man, I don't know. Man,

987
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: I I'm pretty optimistic about this upcoming year. I feel

988
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: compared to other years, man, I feel really good about

989
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: how everything is played out, especially South Dakota, where you

990
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: know I have I've had one to three trips out

991
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: there now in the last two years and really gained

992
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: a ship ton of knowledge of that animal and how

993
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: they work through the terrain. And I think, Uh, this

994
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: next trip that I go out there will be the one.

995
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the year. Now are you going

996
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: to adjust goals, expectations, anything like that now in year three?

997
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: Like so, because you just said you've got it more dialed,

998
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: are you gonna be more picky or are you gonna

999
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: go into it knowing that I've done this three times?

1000
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: It's hard. I haven't had opportunities. I'm gonna shoot that

1001
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: dough or that first spike or something like what are

1002
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: your where's your head at the moment? I can't. I

1003
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: can't say that because I don't know yet, But I

1004
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: have a feeling it's going to be that sliding scale

1005
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: where you know the first three days or however many

1006
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: days you're out there, Let's just say I'm I'm there

1007
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: for eight days. The first three or four days, I'm

1008
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: gonna probably try to hold out for a buck, probably

1009
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: pass a dough if I have to. And then the

1010
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: second four days, um, maybe flip that script a little

1011
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: bit and take first opportunity. So um, that didn't necessarily

1012
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: work too good for me this last trip, But what

1013
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: I've learned, like the even the last two days of

1014
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: the hunt from December, I learned a ton of how

1015
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: they bed and where they lay down and all this stuff.

1016
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: And I really think that that two days worth of

1017
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: knowledge is gonna help me. Yeah, you gotta tell you.

1018
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: I was pretty jealousy on that trip. I was watching

1019
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: it on Instagram and uh, just it's so it's so

1020
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: awesome out there, So go you gotta come. You have

1021
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: to come with me something I really want to do it,

1022
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: I really want to do like it's it's it's I

1023
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: love though great plains and the buttes and the little

1024
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: coolies and all those huge wide vistas like that is

1025
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: just that's good stuff. That's good stuff. And I hate

1026
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: how close you are to like you you're so close

1027
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: to that stuff. Yeah you could you could be in

1028
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: that stuff in a handful of eight hours to that

1029
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: spot and really like to get to the beginning of

1030
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: It's probably less than that. Even if you were a

1031
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: head straight west the second I the second I crossed

1032
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: the Missouri River, I can start hunting. Yeah, with that

1033
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: with the tag that I get so um yeah, man,

1034
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: I uh we dude, we've we talked about this ship

1035
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,479
Speaker 1: too much about getting a hunt, going on a hunt

1036
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: again together. Right, No, we haven't done it. It's been

1037
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: six years really, yeah, two thousand fourteen is when we

1038
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: went on that elk hunt. Right, yeah, six years. Wow.

1039
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: I thought we were closer than that mark. But we

1040
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: sort of hunted together last year. Um, you at least

1041
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: came down to Michigan for a little bit. But you're right,

1042
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: You're right. Well did I not hunt? Know? You played hospitality.

1043
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: You were like, here's some pizza. Uh, here's a bed,

1044
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, thank you. And I really appreciated that.

1045
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: And uh what you your sentiment is right, your we

1046
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: do you need to this is uh? Yeah. It's funny

1047
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: how when hunting becomes like your job all of a sudden,

1048
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: like doing the hunts like you would usually like get

1049
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: in the plan and become harder to do. So I'm

1050
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: in like a weird place right now. But at some point,

1051
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: as we were talking about the other day, like I'm

1052
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: in a season of life of craziness and soon, you know,

1053
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: someday it'll be less crazy, and I uh, I'm gonna

1054
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: be looking forward to to this specific hunt very much.

1055
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: So all right, let's let's hey one second here. What

1056
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: is you said? Potentially Washington, d C. Or Virginia obviously Michigan.

1057
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: What were the other states that you're potentially gonna be

1058
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 1: hunting this year? Arkansas, Iowa, Texas, maybe Nebraska, UM, maybe Idaho. Uh,

1059
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: there's even the Canada possibility. Um. And then whatever whatever

1060
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: you depending on when you go through Iowa, if you

1061
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: do this Nebraska hunt, just pick me up and I'll

1062
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: and I'll try to make it work and and we'll

1063
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: go and I'll just drop me off somewhere you go.

1064
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll have a base camp and you can

1065
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: go do whatever you want to do, and I'll just

1066
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, long range bombs, I don't somewhere careful, careful,

1067
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: what you ask for, I'll do it. I'll throw you

1068
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: in the bed of the pickup truck and we'll just

1069
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: go What do you do you think that's gonna make

1070
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: me mad? I didn't after me? Oh no, I gotta

1071
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: go on a deer hunt. Yeah, I guess. I just

1072
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: I guess I'm more worried about Sarah trying to murder me.

1073
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Is more. If she hasn't left me yet, she's never

1074
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna leave me, So I guess that's true. She's pretty

1075
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: well committed. Uh man, it's uh it's that time of year. Man.

1076
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: It's like the dreaming. And literally every night when I

1077
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: fall asleep, like I always read before I go to sleep,

1078
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: but then when I finally closed my book, I lay

1079
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: there in bed and start like dreaming some hunting or

1080
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: fishing scenario. So it's like I literally will be like

1081
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: envisioning myself grabbing my stuff out of the back of

1082
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: my truck, close the tailgate, start walking down the trail

1083
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: or something, and and then I just drift off like

1084
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: that's how every night begins. I'm just so how I

1085
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: fall asleep at night. This is the same way that

1086
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, it's maybe something that's not okay to

1087
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: talk about in the podcast A candle, What were you

1088
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna say? I wait, you bed close my eyes, and

1089
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: I literally envision walking access routes to my tree stands

1090
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: or the tree stands that I had up from previous years.

1091
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: So like I just envisioned, you know, getting out of

1092
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: my truck, walking across the c RPU field, diving down

1093
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: into the slow spot, heading straight north, and as I

1094
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: come to this edge of vegetation, I take a ninety

1095
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: degree left up the ridge to my tree stand that

1096
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: is right on this perfect spur ridge that leads into

1097
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: a bedding area. And it's money and that's what. And

1098
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: then I get down and I walk out, and I

1099
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: even envisioned my head lamp on right and then the

1100
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: next thing, and then I just cycled through tree stands

1101
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: until I fall asleep. And then every time you're walking

1102
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: that trail, in your mind, you're also feeling like that excitement.

1103
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, what's what's gonna happen? I just think of

1104
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: that part because then i'd probably be up later, right like,

1105
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: oh there, get out my on X because I gotta

1106
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: go check to see if if that's a northwest wind,

1107
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: well then hey, I might not be able to use

1108
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: that access route, and you know, just go off on

1109
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: a I don't know how boring I think about this awfully.

1110
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: How boring would life be if if we didn't have

1111
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: like this kind of stuff that just keeps us fired

1112
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: up and thinking about the next thing, and keeps us

1113
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: planning and dreaming and putting things on the calendar, not

1114
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: not to you know, not to minimize the very important

1115
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: stuff of daily life and family and work and all that.

1116
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, man, I just I'm just so thankful

1117
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: that we've got this thing that we're passionate about. Yeah. Absolutely,

1118
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: man Um. I don't know what I would do if

1119
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: I didn't bow hunt, right, We've we've had this talk

1120
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: about let's just say Thano snaps his fingers and there's

1121
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: no more bow hunting. And we we didn't even know

1122
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: there was bow hunting in the first place, right, so

1123
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: we're completely blind to the fact that there there was,

1124
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: but now there isn't bow hunting. Like, I don't know

1125
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: what I would do. I would probably be a lumberjack.

1126
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds about right. Um. I'm sorry to interrupt,

1127
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: but have you ever chopped down a whole tree with

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01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: an ax um? Using just an ax I think I

1129
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: have chopped down like little trees with a hatchet. I

1130
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: have done that okay, but yeah, I'm talking big tree,

1131
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: big acts. I'm gonna tell you what it is. One

1132
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: of the most manly rewarding things that a guy can do,

1133
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: just like rolling up the sleeves, just starting to chop

1134
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: that son of a gun and then watching it fall over.

1135
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but it is awesome.

1136
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: It is an awesome feeling, So highly recommend it. What like,

1137
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: when are you doing that? Like for what purpose are

1138
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: you doing that that you can speak from this experience? Okay,

1139
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: So my buddy owned a piece of property, uh west

1140
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: to here. He doesn't live there anymore, but and we

1141
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: had this tree that had this weird lima on it,

1142
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: and we're standing there and I said we should just

1143
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: chop it down. He's like, if you wanted to do it,

1144
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: go do it. So I picked up an axe. I

1145
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: walked down to the where this tree was and I

1146
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: just started swinging. It took me about it took me

1147
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes or an hour to get it

1148
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: all the way down. So nobody had a chainsaw. Nobody

1149
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: had well, he had a chainsaw, but I wanted to

1150
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: do it with an axe. Man, Good for you. I

1151
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: did have a blister on my hand because I didn't

1152
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: wear gloves. I guess that's gonna be added to my

1153
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: bucket list of things I gotta do before I die

1154
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: so that I can so I can live that that

1155
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: manly moment. Until then, I'm probably gonna use the chainsaw.

1156
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: But I'm inspired for some day, all right. Man. Well,

1157
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: I think, uh, we're good. I think we're good. I

1158
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: feel like I'm recharged. I feel like I got the

1159
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: the escape that I needed. Um, and I'm just ready.

1160
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: If if I could just get rid of these zero

1161
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: degree temperatures and see a little green grass, then I

1162
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: would be, then I'd be where I need. Yeah, you

1163
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: can't get it all, yep, I need. I'll tell you.

1164
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: We'll end it here. Or I need one of those

1165
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: shed hunting days where you just pound ground all day long,

1166
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: from like eight in the morning until it starts to

1167
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: sun starts to come down. You go home, you have

1168
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: like a big bowl of chili that's been just sitting

1169
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: there stewing all day long, and you start you eat that.

1170
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: You cracked a couple of beers watching TV, and you

1171
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: fall asleep with the beer on your stomach and you

1172
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: know it's time for bed. When you wake up and

1173
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: you're shaking that beer spills on your shirt. That's the

1174
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 1: kind of shed hunting day I need. That's the sign

1175
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: of a good day, right there. Oh man, Yes, I

1176
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: give me, give me that kind of day. That just

1177
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: that good fatigue, that good burn. We're just like you're

1178
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: you're whooped, but you're so happy about it like that.

1179
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: I can't beat that, can't beat that. And uh and

1180
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: I think that will be my going to sleep dream tonight.

1181
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dream about one of those days, all right, man,

1182
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for catching up. Always a pleasure man,

1183
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: always always a good time. And that is it for

1184
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: us today. I just want to give you one quick

1185
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: heads up. If you are still listening to this, you

1186
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: are someone who obviously has been a long time listener

1187
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: of Wired to Hunt. You followed along and and you

1188
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: must be interested at least a little bit in the crazy,

1189
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: strange stories that you get from Dan and I on occasion. Well,

1190
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: if that's you, and if you are so dedicated to

1191
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: this podcast and die hard of a deer hunter that

1192
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: you would do that, you really ought to be subscribed

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,360
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