Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
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Speaker 2: Well, hi everyone, you have me and Sophia today.
Speaker 3: Hey, there, Hi, their team.
Speaker 2: We are looking at season six, episode twenty I would
Speaker 2: for you, Air day, April twentieth, two thousand and nine. Gosh,
Speaker 2: this is a big one. There's a lot of opening
Speaker 2: doors for a lot of new things we have. When
Speaker 2: Peyton's pregnancy is threatened, Lucas struggles to pick up the pieces,
Speaker 2: while Victoria returns to lure Brook back to close over Burrows.
Speaker 2: So much to talk about there, Hayley and Nathan clash
Speaker 2: over the decision to pull Jamie from his school, and
Speaker 2: Marvin tries to mend fence with Millicent and our friend.
Speaker 2: Pete Kowalski directed this, written by Chris Armstrong and Brian Garcia.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, there was so much in this episode.
Speaker 3: There was a lot in this episode and I liked it.
Speaker 3: There was a lot that I really thought was great.
Speaker 3: I'm bummed Hill's not with us today because we're working
Speaker 3: around these crazy schedules. I'm off on location doing a
Speaker 3: movie and her son is in like a major series
Speaker 3: of meats for the sport he plays. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they've really talked about that yet, so yeah, i'll
Speaker 3: be vague just in case. But so exciting. And you
Speaker 3: just got back from your movie. I'm amazed we're getting
Speaker 3: on these zooms at all. But we're figuring it out,
Speaker 3: you guys.
Speaker 2: We're figuring it out. We really are. I was a
Speaker 2: judge this morning at this middle school science fair.
Speaker 3: And right after we do this episode, I have to
Speaker 3: go to do some choreography rehearsal for a big stunt
Speaker 3: sequence we're doing on this movie. And life is wild.
Speaker 2: But when you said choreography, I was like, it's Sofia
Speaker 2: doing a music I'm so jealous, what is it?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 3: I would like to at some point, but no, this
Speaker 3: is not. This is not a musical yet.
Speaker 2: You could make anything a musical. You just have to try.
Speaker 3: Sure, you just you just sing it.
Speaker 2: Well, this episode is not a musical.
Speaker 3: Definitely, but it was very, very sweet, and I can't
Speaker 3: tell you how happy it makes me to have Mouth
Speaker 3: and Melicent back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like me too.
Speaker 3: I just I love those two. And every once in
Speaker 3: a while, when I have such intense feelings, you know
Speaker 3: about characters, I'm like, well, these are my friends. Like,
Speaker 3: they're not even characters I root for in a show
Speaker 3: I watch. These are characters I root for almost as
Speaker 3: if I'm a viewer. But it's a show that we made,
Speaker 3: and I just I think they are so charming. I
Speaker 3: think their chemistry is so authentic and it feels really romantic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I love that they're both really leaning into it.
Speaker 2: And that's interesting that you say that. I think you
Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head, because that's been one
Speaker 2: of my favorite parts of this whole podcast journey, is
Speaker 2: rooting for because I'm not you. I'm not in any
Speaker 2: of your scenes that are yeah, Sam or you and
Speaker 2: Victoria or whatever. It's been really fun to become a
Speaker 2: fan of all these other characters and scenes that I
Speaker 2: wasn't there for or didn't see. And I agree, Mouth
Speaker 2: and Millie are no exception to the rule. Although it
Speaker 2: was quite melancholic at the end. I guess it got
Speaker 2: very sad, maybe just because they're doing long distance. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I guess I was just getting like they
Speaker 2: both feel like it's not really gonna last. But I
Speaker 2: don't know it was sad. I was happy to see
Speaker 2: them get back together at least for a minute.
Speaker 3: Me too, but I definitely, I don't know. I guess
Speaker 3: I get that especially for us, Like we've all had
Speaker 3: those journeys right where like you try to make a
Speaker 3: life where you live for work because all you do
Speaker 3: is live there. Yeah, and if you don't, if you
Speaker 3: try to keep your tether, you know, to somebody back home,
Speaker 3: can you sustain it? And I think there's something so
Speaker 3: authentic about that. You know, we live in a new way,
Speaker 3: Like our grandparents didn't really do this in the same way.
Speaker 3: You didn't have a job, you know, somewhere so far
Speaker 3: away from the person that you love. I mean maybe
Speaker 3: if you were like in military service.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, yeah, if you go to war,
Speaker 2: then you certainly did. But you know, now that wasn't
Speaker 2: the standard, like the life long standard.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't a lifelong standard. And now people are
Speaker 3: sort of expected to go anywhere their work takes them
Speaker 3: and figure the rest out. And I don't know, I
Speaker 3: felt such a pang of familiarity because I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: the saddest thing in the world is when you have
Speaker 3: to leave the person you love, you know, after a
Speaker 3: weekend or week together. It's just like, I don't want
Speaker 3: to be away from you. I finally got Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a melancholy that I liked because I felt
Speaker 3: like it was authentic.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, I agree, I could relate to that.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, here's something with Millie. I can be
Speaker 2: convinced out of this, but here's my first opinion. And
Speaker 2: maybe I don't need to be convinced of it, but
Speaker 2: I did not love the throw away. She walks out
Speaker 2: in the morning. They've obviously slept together. Now it's like
Speaker 2: they finally did the deed. So she comes out and
Speaker 2: her line is, I don't know why we waited. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I have to say, like and again, like whatever's
Speaker 2: right for you. I'm not judging it. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: like Milly had convictions that were hers for her own
Speaker 2: reasons of why she wanted to wait with mouth and
Speaker 2: to come out and just kind of like throw that
Speaker 2: entire journey, that whole storyline, everything we walked through, just
Speaker 2: throw it out the window, like limp. I don't know
Speaker 2: why we waited.
Speaker 3: Move on. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It bumped me, it bugged me. A what did you
Speaker 2: think of that?
Speaker 3: I didn't like it either, And I will say I
Speaker 3: think because Lisa and Lee are such great actors, they
Speaker 3: made it feel really sweet and grounded totally, but in
Speaker 3: a way I was almost I really didn't like that.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed them so much in that scene because of
Speaker 3: that line. I was like, God, this is just so
Speaker 3: cute in the way they're teasing each other and the
Speaker 3: whole thing. It's great. But I agree, I think there
Speaker 3: are so many more nuanced ways.
Speaker 2: Even if she had said like I'm glad I was
Speaker 2: finally ready, or I'm glad something that honored her journey
Speaker 2: instead of dismissing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because at the end of the day, there's nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with saying to someone I really want to take
Speaker 3: things slow. People should respect your boundaries, they should respect
Speaker 3: your timing. And there's also something so beautiful about you know,
Speaker 3: however faster slow it is when you have really connected
Speaker 3: intimacy with your partner, and I didn't love that we
Speaker 3: were seeing them reconnect so authentically and so intimately and
Speaker 3: talk about all of their issues and then throw away
Speaker 3: her her personal pacing with her own body. I was like, oh, come, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that's kind of been the I mean, I think
Speaker 2: that's been the message of the whole storyline, right, was like,
Speaker 2: if you decide to have this boundary for yourself, it's
Speaker 2: all pent up and you're just going to throw it
Speaker 2: away on the wrong person and you know, yah, everybody's
Speaker 2: gonna blame you for it, and your boyfriend's going to
Speaker 2: break up with you. And it's like, again, I don't
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 3: Could we know, how about we just show like healthy relationships,
Speaker 3: whether you sleep together after six months or six hours,
Speaker 3: like you don't actually care you to be here, like
Speaker 3: have safe, healthy, communicative, consenting sex all you want slow fast,
Speaker 3: like that's that's that's up to you, and you're pretty
Speaker 3: exactly but like, yeah, I just I guess I was
Speaker 3: bummed because there's so much about their storyline that's so great,
Speaker 3: and in a way that really felt like something that
Speaker 3: wasn't thought through well enough for Millie's journey, and it didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't have to make a meal out of it.
Speaker 3: It didn't have to be some melo dramatic something. It
Speaker 3: just could have felt true for her instead of like
Speaker 3: some guy wrote it yeah and was like I don't
Speaker 3: know why we waited so long. It's like okay, no,
Speaker 3: please don't no. And thank god it was Lisa because
Speaker 3: she she made it so sweet. But I just wish
Speaker 3: she'd been able to say a better sentence than that sentence.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of sweet, sweet young relationships, oh might talk
Speaker 2: a bit about Sam and Jack because the shot of
Speaker 2: the two of them laying on the bed listening to
Speaker 2: the listening to music, and it was they were on
Speaker 2: the bed the whole time. Neither of them sat up,
Speaker 2: which I loved in the blocking it felt very very
Speaker 2: indie movie, nineties indie movie, and very true to teenage life.
Speaker 2: I definitely did that with my best friend.
Speaker 3: Well, and there's something that I think is so true
Speaker 3: about how sometimes you have better vulnerable conversations when you're
Speaker 3: not looking at someone. Like if you go on a
Speaker 3: walk for your best friend and you can you can
Speaker 3: be moving and really just talking and of course you're
Speaker 3: going to turn and make eye contact, but you're not
Speaker 3: sitting across from someone staring at them.
Speaker 2: It makes me so uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: There's something really special about the fact that they're laying
Speaker 3: in a very intimate place. You know, there are these
Speaker 3: two teens that have just had their first kiss with
Speaker 3: each other and they're laying in bed together. But it's
Speaker 3: so not charged like that. It's it's platonic ish. It's
Speaker 3: very sweet. It's very safe there. You know, they've got
Speaker 3: their little headphone split. It's so cute. And I think
Speaker 3: because they're not looking at each other, they can say
Speaker 3: some things and then sort of, you know, stare at
Speaker 3: the ceiling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jack's big reveal of his he's might be
Speaker 2: moving to North Carolina.
Speaker 3: And I just love them together. I think their comedy
Speaker 3: is so great. I love that Evan leans into really
Speaker 3: still humor, like when Victoria comes in and interrupts them
Speaker 3: and they hide and they both slowly stand up in
Speaker 3: his hair's sideways and he just nods and never blinks.
Speaker 2: They're so perfect together.
Speaker 3: They're so great together.
Speaker 2: And the boyfriend girlfriend at the end, when she stood
Speaker 2: up and she was like, yeah, I'm his girlfriend. Oh yes.
Speaker 2: But I love seeing the younger generation this seeing this
Speaker 2: theme of the multi generational overwarking the whole episode with
Speaker 2: Jamie and all that too. I'm so engaged with the
Speaker 2: younger generation watching it, and I wonder if I did
Speaker 2: the twenty year olds watching our show enjoy that or
Speaker 2: the thirty year olds or did they feel like they
Speaker 2: couldn't relate, like they were too old for it? Now
Speaker 2: I wonder, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean I always felt like we all related really
Speaker 3: well together, and we were in our twenties when we
Speaker 3: were making our show. I think one of the things
Speaker 3: I really enjoy about seeing some of that intergenerational overlap
Speaker 3: in episodes like this is that you realize we're all
Speaker 3: really just going through the same thing. Everyone's trying to
Speaker 3: find their place. Everyone wants to know where they belong.
Speaker 3: Everyone's trying to find the people who make them feel safe,
Speaker 3: who teach them things, who hold them in hard times.
Speaker 3: And that's something I think is so special, particularly yes,
Speaker 3: in Sam and Jack's storyline, I mean, even in the
Speaker 3: way that they're planning music festivals to go to and
Speaker 3: meet up at, I mean, they're just so adorable together.
Speaker 3: And within that Sam's storyline of the way that she
Speaker 3: is finally being mothered by Brooke, but is also trying
Speaker 3: to mother Brook in certain ways. She's trying to support
Speaker 3: me in this episode, she's trying to encourage me to
Speaker 3: be bolder. She calls me out on shutting myself off
Speaker 3: from my emotions, which is very much like Victoria, and
Speaker 3: it's like the greatest insult in the world to Brook
Speaker 3: Davis to hear that, and weirdly, Victoria winds up being
Speaker 3: the one who, since Brooke will not let her in
Speaker 3: her space, who also shows up to mentor Sam and
Speaker 3: who says the hard things to her, you know, when
Speaker 3: she first ambushes her in the cafe and is like,
Speaker 3: how did you get my daughter to take you in?
Speaker 3: And Ashley is so fricking funny, saying, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I was a thief and then I assaulted her and
Speaker 3: then I slept in my car. I've made up with
Speaker 3: it for what did she say? I've made up for
Speaker 3: that with my sunny disposition, and Daffy goes, I'm amused.
Speaker 3: On the inside, I was cackling, like I just did.
Speaker 3: I couldn't catch my breath. I just thought that was
Speaker 3: so funny, And then suddenly it was like a one
Speaker 3: two punch. They got me in the fields in such
Speaker 3: a way because Daphne has this wildly human moment where
Speaker 3: Victoria says to Sam, you want this perfect situation. You
Speaker 3: think I should have been a perfect mother. You didn't
Speaker 3: have a perfect mother either. There's two bad choices, one
Speaker 3: that leaves are one that stays and is bad at it.
Speaker 3: Which would you pick? And to see Victoria admit that
Speaker 3: about herself and to see Sam sort of realize, I
Speaker 3: felt like she had the realization that we've all had
Speaker 3: as adults where you look at your parents and you go, oh,
Speaker 3: you didn't actually know what you were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you were guessing.
Speaker 3: Wow, you were just trying your best with the information
Speaker 3: that you had. And that shift that Then Sam goes
Speaker 3: home and yells at Brook from that place of like
Speaker 3: you're doing this thing. Yeah yeah, And Sam takes her
Speaker 3: own advice at the end.
Speaker 4: She does.
Speaker 3: It's so special.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was really my favorite arc of the whole episode.
Speaker 2: Me oh me too. And I was really wowed by
Speaker 2: the Victoria moment at the end. Yes coming up and
Speaker 2: seeing her hand on it was wild because I know
Speaker 2: your hands and so I like, I saw not your
Speaker 2: hand on Sam's shoulder in such a comforting way. I
Speaker 2: was like, well, who is that? And then I, oh,
Speaker 2: my god, it's gonna be Victoria. And it is. And
Speaker 2: I was so shocked and it seemed so out of character.
Speaker 2: And yet I mean, Daphney pulled it off. But what
Speaker 2: a what a major shift that she would be exercising
Speaker 2: an attempt at comfort, yeah, when she's been nothing but
Speaker 2: hard and cold and tough.
Speaker 3: I don't I know if this was intentional on the
Speaker 3: writer's part, but you know what it made me think
Speaker 3: about is so many people in our peer group who
Speaker 3: have kids who had really rough experiences growing up and
Speaker 3: their parents are now getting a second chance as grandparents. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and in a way, it really feels like Victoria is
Speaker 3: stepping into this role with Brook's foster child to say, Okay,
Speaker 3: she can't see that I'm learning some lessons. My daughter
Speaker 3: doesn't want to see it, can't see it. Maybe I
Speaker 3: don't deserve for her to see it, but I do
Speaker 3: have a proving ground I can be different.
Speaker 2: I think you're right because I see that a lot
Speaker 2: of relationships where I know people who don't talk to
Speaker 2: their parents, I mean, they don't engage very much, but
Speaker 2: they still want their children to have grandparents, and so
Speaker 2: there's this sort of surface relationship between the parent and child,
Speaker 2: like the older generation and the new parent, but then
Speaker 2: the grandchild and the grandparent have a really strong bond.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting to me that we people can get
Speaker 2: we can get a second chance like that. I guess
Speaker 2: that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's really it's really sort of special.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's the time a part
Speaker 3: that did it for Victoria. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: that she's been humbled by the fact that she can't
Speaker 3: run the business all by herself.
Speaker 2: Well, the business is tanking because she doesn't have her star.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love that that. I got to say
Speaker 3: to her, Oh, so you know you don't. You're not
Speaker 3: the one who spends the straw into gold after all,
Speaker 3: and she's like hard to find quality straw still.
Speaker 2: Like, you can't let it go, She can't let it go.
Speaker 2: So funny to me, So good.
Speaker 3: But I do think there's something about her being humbled
Speaker 3: at the one thing she's always been good at as
Speaker 3: a parent, which is actually being a CEO. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: having to ask for help probably opens up a space
Speaker 3: for her to maybe ask for help emotionally too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it well. You and Sam got the
Speaker 2: cry stick this whole season. I realized. I was like,
Speaker 2: Peyton's so happy, like everything's pretty good. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: car accident and illness aside, Like she hasn't done a
Speaker 2: lot of crying. And maybe that was Hillary being like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not going to cry anymore. I'm done.
Speaker 3: I'm done.
Speaker 2: They handed it off to you. You've been crying so
Speaker 2: much this whole season. And Sam too. Anytime they found
Speaker 2: somebody it was a good crier. It was like, oh,
Speaker 2: mark her down and bring her in for four more episodes.
Speaker 2: She cries.
Speaker 3: God. But you know what's funny. I can see and
Speaker 3: I think it's things we notice right that other people don't.
Speaker 3: But I can see the takes where it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: we had done every single setup in this before this
Speaker 3: one shot, and this is the shot they picked, and like,
Speaker 3: I'm out of tears. Yeah, but I have to keep
Speaker 3: playing upset. But you know, I cried for six hours
Speaker 3: shooting this scene and at our you know, five hours
Speaker 3: and thirty minutes, and I didn't have any left.
Speaker 2: It's my least favorite. I get so mad at myself
Speaker 2: when I have to do an emotional scene and I'm
Speaker 2: tapped out and I just have to like make faces.
Speaker 3: But you're a human, there's no but so many times
Speaker 3: you can sob before your body is like okay, we
Speaker 3: did it, we cried it out, we're done, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but we have three more setups in this nine setup scene.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how actresses do it. I've never
Speaker 2: had to do a project where, you know, like a
Speaker 2: movie shoot, where it's three weeks or a month or
Speaker 2: so or longer, where the whole time you're stressed and upset.
Speaker 2: I don't know how actors do that, where you have
Speaker 2: you ever had to do anything like that, like a
Speaker 2: long term project, but the script is, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: over the course of a day, and you're supposed to
Speaker 2: be really upset or something the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2: That seems so difficult.
Speaker 3: I remember on a project once, you know, we were Yeah,
Speaker 3: it took place over I think two or three days,
Speaker 3: whatever it was, and by the end of the movie,
Speaker 3: me and my coworker are supposed to have been awake
Speaker 3: for like thirty hours. So they want our eyes to
Speaker 3: be bloodshot, so they keep blowing that menthol in our
Speaker 3: eyes to make them red, but it also makes you cry.
Speaker 3: But we're not supposed to be crying in every scene,
Speaker 3: so like we're just like snotting tears, trying not to
Speaker 3: like be totally disgusting everywhere. But then it got to
Speaker 3: the point where like there was literally just no water
Speaker 3: left in our tear ducks for anything, and it stopped.
Speaker 3: It like sort of stopped working because we'd been using
Speaker 3: it for you know, three weeks, because that was the
Speaker 3: last day of the film, you know, calendar day, and
Speaker 3: I was just like, man if I never smell that
Speaker 3: smell again, it'll still be too soon. It's so brutal.
Speaker 3: But it's things like that that you don't think about,
Speaker 3: Like how do you maintain bloodshot for three weeks?
Speaker 2: No, I really don't know, you know, all that weird
Speaker 2: stuff for those of you who don't know the mental
Speaker 2: thing we're talking about. There's this little there's this little thing.
Speaker 2: I guess it kind of looks like a little tube
Speaker 2: or like, actually, if you mean it looks tap on
Speaker 2: in half? Oh yeah, it looks like the faith. It
Speaker 2: does kind of look like half a tampon without the
Speaker 2: cotton inside, just the applicator, but yeah, they have this
Speaker 2: stick inside that's got meant it's menthol. I mean it's
Speaker 2: mint balm or mint soaked on something. And they blow
Speaker 2: through this tube into your eyeballs, which instantly makes you cry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Sophia's case have bloodshot eyes. But you don't want
Speaker 2: to use it very often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes your eyes really red, which you know,
Speaker 3: again to Joy's point, like in really the whole conversation,
Speaker 3: if you've been doing an emotional scene for hours and
Speaker 3: hours and hours because they have to cover it from
Speaker 3: every direction, a couple of hours in they'll be like, hey,
Speaker 3: do you want to hit of this to just like
Speaker 3: trick your body into making tears again? Sure, but good god,
Speaker 3: when they are blowing that in your eyes all day
Speaker 3: and you're not supposed to be tearing, I was just
Speaker 3: like I got to the point where I was like,
Speaker 3: I'd rather stick needles in my eyeballs. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: not really, but it's a little hyperbolic, but seriously, this
Speaker 3: is a nightmare. And yeah, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: know how people do it.
Speaker 2: I don't either. I also wrote down I love that
Speaker 2: Daphne always enters a scene like she's on a mission. Yeah,
Speaker 2: every single scene she walks into.
Speaker 3: She comes in like she has an announcement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so great. How do we feel about the
Speaker 2: way she's sort of holding Brook hostage about, like, hey,
Speaker 2: let me put everyone's job at stake at the company
Speaker 2: and then force you out and then blame you for
Speaker 2: not saving them. I don't know, it was a little
Speaker 2: bit of mind think it was a bit of a
Speaker 2: mind game.
Speaker 3: Well, it's so manipulative, but it's really interesting. I think
Speaker 3: now that we've you know, we've done this podcast, which
Speaker 3: is sort of like therapy, and we've all obviously done
Speaker 3: a lot of therapy, we have really been able to
Speaker 3: understand the amount of pressure that was certainly put on
Speaker 3: us as young women on this set, and that we
Speaker 3: often continue to feel on sets in general, which is
Speaker 3: like you have to show up for all these people.
Speaker 3: You have to be on your a game, Like it's
Speaker 3: the reason nobody gets a sick day, you know, if
Speaker 3: you're a performer on camera, like all of these expectations
Speaker 3: that if you don't do every single thing to the
Speaker 3: best of your ability and sacrifice yourself for others, like
Speaker 3: Peyton says to Brook, all these people will be out
Speaker 3: of a job, you know it. It really was the
Speaker 3: thing that enabled so much of the bad behavior on
Speaker 3: sets for so many years, and to be Frank still
Speaker 3: does because people say, well, if you say something, you're
Speaker 3: going to ruin it for all these other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's the it's the I'm going to
Speaker 2: create a problem, and if you don't handle it the
Speaker 2: way I want you to, it's your fault for what
Speaker 2: the fallout is your fault? Yes, which is so tough.
Speaker 2: I've been in relationships like that. I've felt like I
Speaker 2: found me too to god weird. Yeah, it's really, but
Speaker 2: it's so it's so insidious and you feel so guilty
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my god. Like this scenario I've got,
Speaker 2: you're being held hostage essentially, and then at some point
Speaker 2: to realize, oh wait, this other person created the problem.
Speaker 2: This is on them. But this happened in another episode
Speaker 2: that we were talking about this too, was it Dan?
Speaker 2: It had to have been Dan, right, I remember what
Speaker 2: it was. Yeah. So it's funny. It's funny to see
Speaker 2: how the dual, the duality still exists with Victoria, like
Speaker 2: she's still coming in. There's no humility, there's no, nothing.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm going to hold you hostage to get
Speaker 2: what I want because I don't want to have to
Speaker 2: apologize or admit that I was wrong. And yet let
Speaker 2: me see if I can do some kind of I
Speaker 2: don't know if she's trying to do like a like
Speaker 2: a karmic cleansing, working out think good things with Sam,
Speaker 2: or if she genuinely wants to become a better person.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like the Dan parallel.
Speaker 3: I like that we do too.
Speaker 2: I really like that we get the Disney villain female
Speaker 2: Disney villain version of Dan Scott.
Speaker 3: I do too. And she's just so good at it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's the thing is Daphne is so phenomenal at her
Speaker 3: job that you love her even though she's a villain.
Speaker 3: Like we're all obsessed with Victoria, and that is so
Speaker 3: that's such a fine sort of needle to thread.
Speaker 2: Bitchtoria Victoria were the two that for this episode.
Speaker 3: It is wild, but you know what I will say,
Speaker 3: It is manipulative what she says. And there is something
Speaker 3: that irks me a little bit though I get it,
Speaker 3: but it irks me. In the dialogue that they gave
Speaker 3: to Hillary to say to me, I don't know what
Speaker 3: you should do, but I know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3: You always sacrifice yourself for others, and that's why we
Speaker 3: love you.
Speaker 2: I didn't catch that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it dinged to me because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: twenty years later, like we all understand that that's actually
Speaker 3: so dangerous, this sort of encouragement to women that we're
Speaker 3: supposed to martyr ourselves to make other people happy. You
Speaker 3: know that we're supposed to not exist, We're supposed to
Speaker 3: be so self less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's the brave thing about you that you're
Speaker 2: willing to just continue to peel off your own skin
Speaker 2: for other people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It struck with a cord is analogy? Sorry, no, I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: It struck a chord with me. I think because it's
Speaker 3: something that I've I've had to work on for myself
Speaker 3: as a person, like erasing myself to keep other people happy,
Speaker 3: denying my experience to not be too sensitive. Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I even went through this recently, Like there was a
Speaker 3: whole thing with you know, my coach who was like, well,
Speaker 3: you're an adult, are you Are you going to be
Speaker 3: unwilling to forgive forever? Or do you want to work
Speaker 3: through injury? And the great part you know fast forward
Speaker 3: to now is that like early in working with my
Speaker 3: therapist who I love, he was like, that's wildly inappropriate,
Speaker 3: Like someone telling you you have to forgive through your
Speaker 3: boundaries is wildly inappropriate. If you if your boundary is
Speaker 3: here and someone else's boundary is over there, you can
Speaker 3: discuss that. You can see if there's a way to
Speaker 3: meet in the middle. You can acknowledge that perhaps that
Speaker 3: means like that's not the person who should you know,
Speaker 3: occupy your number one seed of importance in your life,
Speaker 3: Like sometimes you just aren't compatible with people. But for
Speaker 3: another sort of advisor to say to you it's up
Speaker 3: to you to forgive this, regardless of how you feel
Speaker 3: about it, to prove that you're emotionally mature, Like that's gaslighting.
Speaker 2: I'm really listening to what you're saying because I really
Speaker 2: want to understand it, and I feel like I can
Speaker 2: see it from your point of view. But I'm also like,
Speaker 2: but isn't forgiveness for you like I do it for me,
Speaker 2: not sure for the other person, because it's otherwise it's
Speaker 2: like I'm just holding on to something that's sure, but
Speaker 2: which would indicate a level of emotional maturity that you're
Speaker 2: growing and you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: I think we can forgive all sorts of things and
Speaker 3: then move on. But if someone has, like.
Speaker 2: Well, forgiveness and continuing to allow someone to yes harm
Speaker 2: you or like cross those boundaries, that's different. Like I
Speaker 2: don't think forgiveness necessarily means continued permission.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's that's more. What I'm referring to, Oh,
Speaker 3: is like, oh, this is a deal breaker for me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And someone saying you don't get to have deal breakers
Speaker 3: if you want to be emotionally mature, Oh no, that's
Speaker 3: bullshit and be in relationship with some and I'm like no,
Speaker 3: But there was a time where I really was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: a really mature person would be able to say you
Speaker 3: are you and I am me, and we have different experiences,
Speaker 3: and okay, maybe I just shouldn't personalize this, And it's like, no,
Speaker 3: everybody gets to have a deal breaker, of course.
Speaker 2: And you can say those things exactly about one person
Speaker 2: and exactly about somebody else, and one person still gets
Speaker 2: to be a part of your world and another person doesn't.
Speaker 2: And it's not that's just like personal discretion and what
Speaker 2: you feel is like, this is worth it, this is
Speaker 2: worth investing in. I see a bigger picture of why
Speaker 2: this is still worth investing in, and another one where
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't see why this is worth investing
Speaker 2: in exactly, And that's okay, exactly. There's no fair it's
Speaker 2: not fair evil even scale thing. This is just personal.
Speaker 3: Well And I think to get to a point where
Speaker 3: you don't get talked out of yours is so important
Speaker 3: and weirdly, I actually think it really relates to this point.
Speaker 3: The like parallel of what Victoria says to Brook about
Speaker 3: close over Bros. And what we're talking about has been
Speaker 3: said to us on so many sets forever. You know,
Speaker 3: this one, my set after this one, which was No
Speaker 3: Walk in the Park. I always want to be a
Speaker 3: person who shows up prepared, who prioritizes the well being
Speaker 3: of my crew, who you know, if we're going to
Speaker 3: be on a forced call the next day because we're
Speaker 3: losing daylight, I take a poll of the crew and say, look,
Speaker 3: they want to force me, but if they force me,
Speaker 3: that means they're forcing all of you. How do you
Speaker 3: feel about it? Like, I want to be that person
Speaker 3: I like being a team player. What I don't want
Speaker 3: to be is a team martyr. Yeah, and to learn
Speaker 3: the line of that I think is so important to
Speaker 3: show up with, like integrity and professionalism is should be
Speaker 3: our standard, but you shouldn't be encouraged to take you know,
Speaker 3: abuse or mistreatment to protect other people. And what I
Speaker 3: like about you know that Brooke doesn't have that realization
Speaker 3: in this episode yet, right, Like Victoria strikes exactly the
Speaker 3: cord she's supposed to strike with her, which is, of
Speaker 3: course she's going to go back to the company so
Speaker 3: that the company doesn't dissolve. But where I see her
Speaker 3: beginning to reclaim her power is in that fifty fifty
Speaker 3: two okay, fifty one and she gets yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: like she says a boundary for herself. She sets a
Speaker 3: boundary for herself and has a win. And I feel
Speaker 3: like we're starting to see this moment of her really
Speaker 3: claiming her own space. And I'm I feel very proud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. The hard part is not
Speaker 2: everyone understands it, and there are still a lot of people,
Speaker 2: I would say, mostly kind of in the old Guard
Speaker 2: on sets and maybe in work environment, any any work environment,
Speaker 2: I guess that still think martyrdom equals team spirit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so that the hard part then is I mean
Speaker 2: for me anyway, is then being coupling that with people
Speaker 2: pleasing and like not wanting anybody to be mad at me.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I know I'm doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: I know I'm not martyring myself. I'm trying to set
Speaker 2: a boundary, but then that's gonna make a B and
Speaker 2: C person mad and I just don't want people mad
Speaker 2: at me, So I'll just do you know, I'll either
Speaker 2: go full out like I don't care what anybody says,
Speaker 2: or I'll just shrink back. And yeah, I really like
Speaker 2: I like seeing the negotiation that's happening with with Brooke
Speaker 2: figuring out like Okay, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say the right thing because
Speaker 2: she's been put in an impossible position by Victoria, but
Speaker 2: she's going to do the thing that feels honorable for herself.
Speaker 3: She's going to do the most right thing that she
Speaker 3: keeps the right thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's going to do it in a way
Speaker 2: where she still gets to set her boundary. As you said,
Speaker 2: I'm just repeating what you said.
Speaker 3: But I love it. I love I gotta say. I
Speaker 3: think it's so cool for us, you know, as the
Speaker 3: women we are today, having been through all the things
Speaker 3: we've been through, to like be able to sit and
Speaker 3: watch this TV show we made and go, oh wow,
Speaker 3: we really hit the nail on the head with some
Speaker 3: sort of universal experience here. Yeah, Like most people don't
Speaker 3: run you know, giant multinational fashion brands, right, they're crazy moms.
Speaker 3: But like, it's weirdly very universal. This thing that we're
Speaker 3: seeing with Brooke and her mother and you know, Sam,
Speaker 3: who is essentially her daughter. Like this, this multi generational
Speaker 3: group of women figuring out their shit is like what
Speaker 3: we're doing all the time.
Speaker 2: So I sorely, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's so neat to see it from this
Speaker 3: point in time and to still feel like we can
Speaker 3: connect to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the magic of the show that
Speaker 2: they kept finding ways to connect with the audience. Yeah,
Speaker 2: over topics that were seemingly so singular, semingly.
Speaker 3: So singular, seemingly so you could sing that and it
Speaker 3: would be like a very cute line in a musical.
Speaker 2: I'll work on it.
Speaker 3: I also really, really loved the dynamic between you and
Speaker 3: James in this episode. Thanks watching Haley and Nathan, you know,
Speaker 3: be in again, like Mouth and Milly, this long distance thing,
Speaker 3: like he's off playing ball, but then he comes home
Speaker 3: and you have this moment and we really get to
Speaker 3: see you guys not just be parents, but like be teammates.
Speaker 3: And I get to see a version of Hailey when
Speaker 3: she was eight dying to go to this school for
Speaker 3: the gifted. And I get to see Nathan see a
Speaker 3: version of himself when he was like some little punk
Speaker 3: ass boy on the playground. Yeah, and the way you
Speaker 3: both navigate being Jamie's parents, it just felt so honest
Speaker 3: and sweet and fun, Like this was a fun episode
Speaker 3: to watch you guys. It didn't have to be you know,
Speaker 3: big stupendous, crazy grand gesture something or you know, some
Speaker 3: tragic accident like you just being a mom and a
Speaker 3: dad and it is so sweet.
Speaker 2: Well, and that goes back even to what you were
Speaker 2: saying just now about being relatable that it's boy. I mean,
Speaker 2: especially as the mom of a kid in middle school,
Speaker 2: and I had this conversation with a lot of other parents.
Speaker 2: We look at the school situation and it's like what
Speaker 2: do I prioritize Because there's four classes in this school
Speaker 2: that are pretty terrible, but there's three that are excellent,
Speaker 2: and there's an amazing social community. She's so happy. Her
Speaker 2: friends are really good. They're good kids. Like I see
Speaker 2: these kids come over to my house, I'm like, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: I've raised a child that chose that. She chooses good,
Speaker 2: solid people to be around. I'm so happy. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: the schooling when you have an opportunity for like we know,
Speaker 2: life can be so long and provide so many opportunities,
Speaker 2: and there's so many chances to grow, but also the
Speaker 2: doors that open in the choices that you make and
Speaker 2: the opportunities that you take can be very huge deciding
Speaker 2: factors in the trajectory of your life. So there's all
Speaker 2: these things floating around that you're trying to make decisions about.
Speaker 2: When it comes to school. Yeah, elementary school, high school,
Speaker 2: I mean mostly when it comes to getting into high
Speaker 2: schools and colleges. It's something I think about a lot.
Speaker 2: And it was really funny to watch Nan and Ailey
Speaker 2: going through the same thing because I'm like, oh, gosh,
Speaker 2: I get it. You see the possibility when you give
Speaker 2: your kid an opportunity for a really, really excellent education.
Speaker 2: But Jamie would have had a terrible time in that school.
Speaker 2: He would not have had any friends.
Speaker 3: Well, and here's the thing, maybe he wouldn't have Maybe
Speaker 3: he would have settled in and it would have been great.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, he likes his people,
Speaker 3: he likes his teacher, he loves going to recess, and
Speaker 3: it feels like he gets to be more of a
Speaker 3: kid and that's just what matters in this moment to
Speaker 3: this family, and it feels really authentic. And even I
Speaker 3: wrote it down because I loved I loved that you
Speaker 3: guys did this when you're sitting on the couch at
Speaker 3: the end of the night and he's talking about how
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to go back, and you're teasing him like, oh,
Speaker 3: you don't want to go back to the NBA, you know,
Speaker 3: And it's this sweet moment and then the kid pitter
Speaker 3: patters in and he tells you what he wants and
Speaker 3: James says, we'll talk about it, and you say, we
Speaker 3: really appreci shit you coming to us. And I loved
Speaker 3: that the parents didn't give into the five year old
Speaker 3: right away but made him feel heard and respected and
Speaker 3: still retained. We're going to be the ones that make
Speaker 3: the decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do what's best for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're going to include you and I. I
Speaker 3: just love it. It's such a healthy dynamic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I really liked that. I
Speaker 2: liked it all. I liked that green dress that she put.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Carol, it was so good. I know
Speaker 3: you were running down the hall chasing him, like trying
Speaker 3: to make sure he looked all put together, and I
Speaker 3: was like, this is very funny. And also Joy looks hot.
Speaker 2: Oh also Jamie walking in and negotiating in that scene
Speaker 2: that you're talking about, where he's like, here's what I
Speaker 2: think is. Yeah, I had this conversation so many times.
Speaker 2: Maria is such a good negotiator. She should be a lawyer.
Speaker 2: It's funny how many kids are always doing that.
Speaker 3: And he does it on the river court with skills too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when.
Speaker 3: Skills in Nathan are running the little kids basketball moment
Speaker 3: at the river Court. I wrote this down. He says,
Speaker 3: if I give up everything, I'll have no bargaining power.
Speaker 3: It's called supply and demand. That coming out of a
Speaker 3: five year old's mouth is so funny and I just
Speaker 3: thought like the writers really nailed the whole dynamic for him.
Speaker 3: They really figured out how good at comedy Jackson was,
Speaker 3: and the whole thing just felt so sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm into how how they were tying all the
Speaker 2: I also really appreciate this about our show, And I
Speaker 2: don't know that it's that it always exists and when
Speaker 2: it does, it happens so effortlessly that you don't notice
Speaker 2: it until you recognize it, which is tying in all
Speaker 2: the storylines with each other. Yea, once one character goes
Speaker 2: from one story into another, and then a character from
Speaker 2: that storyline go into another. So Jamie moving into this
Speaker 2: thing with Skills and his teacher, Yep, the fabulous Alice
Speaker 2: in Munn giving her the flowers, giving her the flowers.
Speaker 2: Here's what's funny. Okay, Skills has had a very specific
Speaker 2: type up until now, as far as we know, I mean,
Speaker 2: Bevin and deb were the only two girls he's stated, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there were more. I'm sure we
Speaker 2: were more, but it seems like there's a specific type,
Speaker 2: a little pattern. But this girl, I mean, miss Lauren
Speaker 2: is Okay, she's tiny and blonde.
Speaker 3: I'm like, she's another hot blonde.
Speaker 2: She's another tiny hot blonde, but she's definitely more conservative.
Speaker 2: She's more like serious and put together the teacher. She
Speaker 2: doesn't get overly flattered by the flowers or like giggly
Speaker 2: or bubbly. It's very like professional. I'm not really sure
Speaker 2: if I should accept this. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I love that you read miss Lauren as like professional.
Speaker 3: I do obviously. But she's spicy.
Speaker 2: She's spicy. It's there.
Speaker 3: She can throw it back. When they get in the
Speaker 3: conversation about the video games, she's like, Okay, she's got
Speaker 3: like a sass underneath. How sweet she looks, which I.
Speaker 2: Think that's what's drawing skills in.
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly it. You can see Antoine's eyes
Speaker 3: light up, like, oh yeah, this chick is cool.
Speaker 2: You're saucy, this will be fun. Yeah. I loved that one.
Speaker 2: That was really sweet and the.
Speaker 3: Sort of through line. It's so refreshing to see everybody,
Speaker 3: as you said, really tied together, and it makes all
Speaker 3: of it make sense and even motivates you know. At
Speaker 3: one point I was watching the episode and granted, I
Speaker 3: love that Victoria comes and gets Sam at the end,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, why is Victoria at the Dixie grill,
Speaker 3: but like, how does she know?
Speaker 2: But what I will tell you, Dan just shows up everywhere.
Speaker 3: Exactly, which is sort of great. But I know exactly
Speaker 3: why Hayley goes to the River Court because she knows
Speaker 3: that's where the boys are, like because Skills is getting
Speaker 3: Jamie from school and then Nathan's going to do after
Speaker 3: school basketball practice. And it just feels like an.
Speaker 2: Authentic town life. It's an authentic life, that's it. It's
Speaker 2: a very small town. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. I'm feeling
Speaker 2: that more and more. And I'm sure Hillary would echo
Speaker 2: that as well, living where she is in Hudson Valley,
Speaker 2: but in a small town is a small town, And
Speaker 2: where I am in Nashville, I'm feeling that more and more.
Speaker 2: The sense of running into somebody you know every day,
Speaker 2: the regular hangouts where all the boys go to the
Speaker 2: seven to eleven after lacrosse, there's this very specific hangouts.
Speaker 2: There's the ice cream shop and the times of day
Speaker 2: when you know what pockets of people are going to
Speaker 2: be where it's fun. Yeah, and I like that we
Speaker 2: really brought that out.
Speaker 3: It's really really sweet. What I will say too, that
Speaker 3: I appreciated about this. It's a bit of a rewind,
Speaker 3: but I think it does bring it full circle. Is
Speaker 3: because we're seeing people figure out how to have their
Speaker 3: dream even when their circumstances are changing. And with the
Speaker 3: Nathan and Hailey, the fact that he's off in Charlotte
Speaker 3: with the team and then he comes home and then
Speaker 3: he says he's sad about going back. I love the
Speaker 3: bookends of learning to play nice. I love that Haley
Speaker 3: gave him that you know, Jamie and Chuck are like you,
Speaker 3: and this Nino guy or could be Yeah, and in
Speaker 3: a way, seeing people figure out how to do the
Speaker 3: thing they love regardless of what stands in their way.
Speaker 3: I also see Haley and Mia do that for Peyton
Speaker 3: because Peyton's on bed rest, so you bring the studio
Speaker 3: to her and you make this effort to make someone
Speaker 3: feel seen and to make sure someone doesn't lose out.
Speaker 3: And I just I liked even though they're having completely
Speaker 3: different experiences. I liked the button because we started the
Speaker 3: show with Peyton and Nathan, yeah, as a couple who
Speaker 3: obviously were not well suited for each other and needed
Speaker 3: to sort of be with their opposites a la Haley
Speaker 3: and Lucas. But I don't know. There was something where
Speaker 3: I went like, oh, wow, you know when we have
Speaker 3: those beats where we realize these kids as adults would
Speaker 3: be really proud of their younger selves or like identify
Speaker 3: with their younger selves. There was something about it that
Speaker 3: made me think, like, what a full circle moment for
Speaker 3: these two and it felt cool.
Speaker 2: I love that you're making me like this episode more
Speaker 2: and more. I mean, I heard it was like this
Speaker 2: is a fun episode, but I love the weaving of
Speaker 2: all that that I hadn't. I don't think i'd really
Speaker 2: paid attention to that this time around. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because you know, we had these early emo scenes
Speaker 3: of Peyton in season one driving around in the Commet sad,
Speaker 3: and now Peyton's driving around in the Commet happy, and
Speaker 3: she's elated when she sees this mother and daughter who
Speaker 3: remind her of her mom and herself, and she.
Speaker 2: Was yes and what she wants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's having all of this happiness. And then there's
Speaker 3: Rich the car accident, and yet amidst the odds, she's
Speaker 3: figuring out how to keep going. And that's been Nathan's
Speaker 3: hero's journey in this season too. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 3: the parallel for those two is very cool.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of redemption. It's cool. Yeah, I do
Speaker 2: have one question about this Nathan storyline. Why do you
Speaker 2: know why we replaced b J Brett who played Devon.
Speaker 2: It feels like this storyline is something that could have
Speaker 2: just been done with the Devon character. I don't know
Speaker 2: why he had to because it seemed like we were
Speaker 2: building up to something with the two of them and
Speaker 2: all that friction, and then he left and they just
Speaker 2: bring in another guy who's also being a jerk. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, maybe he got a show and
Speaker 2: like had to leave. I don't know what happened, but
Speaker 2: it felt weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the whole point of having Devon leave
Speaker 3: was to have that moment, like you think you're the
Speaker 3: only one with a family, to have Nathan realize that,
Speaker 3: you know, things don't always have happy endings. But it
Speaker 3: feels a little lazy, you know. It feels like they
Speaker 3: either could have worked it out with him, or you're right,
Speaker 3: maybe he booked another job and had to go, because
Speaker 3: that's that's a reality we always experience with our wonderful
Speaker 3: guest stars. Like we're all out here trying to book jobs. Hello,
Speaker 3: We're actors.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, regardless, I did really love the storyline and
Speaker 2: I did too. Yeah. I like seeing them both figure
Speaker 2: out how to work together to strong personalities and they
Speaker 2: just had to figure it out. I mean, that's always
Speaker 2: a nice It's nice to see that working.
Speaker 3: I also liked that they were having this very like
Speaker 3: combative boy experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked that.
Speaker 3: It wasn't what we all do and like sit around
Speaker 3: and talk about our feelings. It was like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to play with you either, and if you just
Speaker 3: shut up and let me teach you this thing, we'll
Speaker 3: never have to play together again.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, they're like, okay, fun.
Speaker 3: It was so childish in a way, but it was
Speaker 3: also just really honest, and it made the Jamie and
Speaker 3: Chuck parallel work because you were like, oh yah, there forever,
Speaker 3: they're just gonna be these boys on the playground. I
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 2: Lately, I know, so great. Yeah, well, finishing up, we
Speaker 2: didn't really talk much about Lucas. I know you were
Speaker 2: going there, but we were like, oh, way do we
Speaker 2: go Nathan or Lucas? But anyway, Lucas seems so calm
Speaker 2: at the hospital. Why I don't know, but I was
Speaker 2: like I was definitely confused.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess because she was okay by the
Speaker 3: time Brooke walked in, but he was literally.
Speaker 2: Saying the words Peyton could die and the baby could die,
Speaker 2: and he was just like, yep, that could happen. I
Speaker 2: was like, dude, how do you? I mean, I guess.
Speaker 2: And for Lucas, who's it? He's like an emo kid,
Speaker 2: like he's so how is he not? Maybe he was
Speaker 2: just compartmentalized all of it, like you just it would
Speaker 2: have taken taken him over. It would have overwhelmed him
Speaker 2: completely if he had even allowed a little bit of
Speaker 2: emotion to seep through. So maybe that was it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I will say sometimes when things are
Speaker 3: really overwhelmingly bad, I go, I go not blank, but
Speaker 3: like I go very like first responder. So I'm kind
Speaker 3: of like, Okay, here's what's happening. This is bad. You're
Speaker 3: going to do this, you go grab that. I'm going
Speaker 3: to get this. Somebody get me a tournique, get it, like,
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't get emotional until after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not about you. It can't be about you.
Speaker 2: It can't be to be about the person that needs help.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if because Lucas has been sitting with
Speaker 3: this with Peyton and they've made this decision to move
Speaker 3: forward with a high risk pregnancy.
Speaker 2: So now it's about Brooke because he's telling her.
Speaker 3: Because Brooke is like, what do you mean all of
Speaker 3: these bad things that she wasn't just in a car accident?
Speaker 4: Like what? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And so I like it. It's actually very funny because one
Speaker 3: of my best friends is visiting and when we got
Speaker 3: to the end of the episode and he like smushes
Speaker 3: the Comet logo back onto the busted.
Speaker 2: Car that's still not fixed, she was like, well, why.
Speaker 3: Is he doing that? The car is broken and what like,
Speaker 3: what are we supposed to be Why didn't he take
Speaker 3: it to an autobody shop?
Speaker 2: Are we supposed to leave?
Speaker 3: This guy's going to fix this car? And I was like,
Speaker 3: here's a fun fact, because you've never seen the show.
Speaker 3: He actually grew up in an autobody shop. And she goes,
Speaker 3: oh wow, everything makes so much more sense.
Speaker 2: Tiny pieces of information.
Speaker 3: But also the guy who grew up in the autobody shop, like,
Speaker 3: that's the last thing that's going to go back on
Speaker 3: the fixed car.
Speaker 2: It is the absolute last thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, could we not have just had him
Speaker 3: like run his hands and like look at it and
Speaker 3: reach for the toolbox and be like, oh wow, he's
Speaker 3: going to fix Peyton's car.
Speaker 2: No, the comet thing should have been hanging off the car,
Speaker 2: like or barely hanging on, and he should have taken
Speaker 2: it off so we know what's about to happen.
Speaker 3: You get it in the window sill and the garage
Speaker 3: and been like, we're going to get her back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but I was happy to see him fixing
Speaker 2: up the comment in Keith's autobody shop where it was
Speaker 2: you know where you would tow it. I just thought
Speaker 2: that was a great tie in. I really liked it.
Speaker 3: It felt nice to see. Yeah, everybody gets back to
Speaker 3: their roots a little bit in this episode. It's kind
Speaker 3: of cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we have a listener question from Taylor or Talon.
Speaker 2: I don't know which your name is, but either is
Speaker 2: very cool.
Speaker 3: It's spelled in a very cool way.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: Music is such a big part of the show. Are
Speaker 2: there any songs other than the theme song that still
Speaker 2: make you think of One Tree Hill when you hear
Speaker 2: them outside of watching the show? Yes, Yes, Hattie Griffin's
Speaker 2: the Rowing song, yep, I don't know what episode it
Speaker 2: was in. I just remember watching the episode and being like,
Speaker 2: what is that song? Who sings it? And I became
Speaker 2: a Patti Griffin fan for life because of that song
Speaker 2: what about You?
Speaker 3: I mean yes. Also, I actually ironically made a note
Speaker 3: because in that scene when Sam and Jack are at
Speaker 3: the cafe talking about, you know, all of the concerts
Speaker 3: they're going to go to, and then later the Foster
Speaker 3: parents come in and they're Bonnerou goers, Yeah, that lex
Speaker 3: Land song was playing and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: like it gave me goosebumps when it started, and it
Speaker 3: played for a while in that section of the episode,
Speaker 3: and it's just so good and I haven't heard it
Speaker 3: in so long, but like the minute it started, I
Speaker 3: remembered all the words and I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 3: this is a trip. Yeah. So sometimes it's songs like
Speaker 3: that that you're mentioning that will always, you know, come
Speaker 3: to mind when you think of the show. And then
Speaker 3: and there are songs I have forgotten about that when
Speaker 3: I hear I remember hearing them on the show for
Speaker 3: the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Uh cool.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess we spin a wheel and do honorable
Speaker 2: mention and then let's see what we got. Hopefully you
Speaker 2: guys will join us next week.
Speaker 3: I'm excited for next week.
Speaker 2: Most likely too rip their pants in public. That's funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul Johansson.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say Bevern or Lee Norris because they
Speaker 3: both unabashedly get low on a dance floor. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and I always keep a little baggy of safety pins
Speaker 3: in my purse because I have fixed multiple friends pants
Speaker 3: while out dancing and realized, you know what, the fact
Speaker 3: that I have these is great, and I should have
Speaker 3: the mummy all the time.
Speaker 2: So you probably invented those little things they sell now,
Speaker 2: you know, the little square packets with the zippers that
Speaker 2: come with and it's got like advil, a tampon, a
Speaker 2: sewing kit, like an all little mini versions.
Speaker 3: The fact that I didn't make those is insane, because yeah,
Speaker 3: I used to just make them myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah all the time. Yeah, exactly, put him in, put
Speaker 2: him in a little kit.
Speaker 3: Well, dang, if only I could go back in times.
Speaker 2: Right, all the things we could have invented, my honorable mention? Wait,
Speaker 2: what's your honorable mention? What's yours?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: You go okay, My honor. My honorable mention is the
Speaker 2: math puns. Oh my god, in the Oppenheimer School in masketball.
Speaker 3: Masketball and math holes, math holes and uh and what
Speaker 3: did oh? And he was like, that's a three point masket? Like, unwell,
Speaker 3: that was so great.
Speaker 2: What a math hole?
Speaker 3: That was so great? You know what I think? I mean, gosh.
Speaker 3: There were so many things I really loved about the episode,
Speaker 3: but the thing that communicated the most.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 3: That I don't know if it was in the script
Speaker 3: or if it was just a choice made on the day,
Speaker 3: the stacking, stacking, the sugars, stacking, the half and half
Speaker 3: stacking the things, and that both Sam and Jack had
Speaker 3: this habit and when he left, it was this thing
Speaker 3: that she was still doing. And I don't know it
Speaker 3: it's a non verbal communication, but I thought it was
Speaker 3: really powerful. So that that gets an honorable mention.
Speaker 2: I love that. And I don't remember if we did
Speaker 2: we discover that that was a direction from Paul in
Speaker 2: the episode when he did it first, and then they
Speaker 2: I don't know where was it in the script.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, it might have been it might
Speaker 3: have been something they decided on. And then it played
Speaker 3: so well that they kept it, but I really liked it.
Speaker 3: And oh, I'm gonna be greedy. I'm going to I'm
Speaker 3: going to do a fifty to fifty. Yeah, do an
Speaker 3: honorable mention. The other thing that I loved so much
Speaker 3: was when Jack got in the car that tilt down
Speaker 3: to see Sam was holding her own hand again.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I missed it.
Speaker 3: She put her hands behind her back and was holding
Speaker 3: her own hands like she told him she would when
Speaker 3: she was scared. And I it makes me.
Speaker 2: Want to cry right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, how that happened? How did I mix that?
Speaker 2: I must have looked down it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you like, if you grabbed your phone or
Speaker 3: a drink of water, you would have missed it.
Speaker 2: And it was so.
Speaker 3: It was just really beautiful, and it was such a
Speaker 3: cool reminder, you know, as an artist, actor, director, to
Speaker 3: never forget the power of like the tiniest choice that
Speaker 3: can really it just it brings everything up.
Speaker 2: I love not everything has to be spoken, It doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be explained. Yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3: The next episode, Season six, episode twenty one, A Kiss
Speaker 3: to Build a Dream on. Also for the record, sounds
Speaker 3: like it could be the title of a song in
Speaker 3: a musical.
Speaker 2: It is the title of a song. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: to build a dream.
Speaker 3: On, don't you s? Yeah, it feels like a musical song.
Speaker 3: I agree, which is redundant, But you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: How did we never do a musical episode of One
Speaker 2: Tree Hill? Do you know how? I tried it hard?
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm aware.
Speaker 3: That you did. I'm like, we we did dream sequences.
Speaker 3: We did a nineteen forties episode. We didn't get a musical.
Speaker 3: At least you got to sing in that I did.
Speaker 3: Didn't we do one that was one shot? Like every
Speaker 3: act was one shot? Am I crazy?
Speaker 2: Or did we do that? We had to rehearse it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: three days in a row, and then we actually shot
Speaker 2: it and it was just like one camera shot per act.
Speaker 2: It was a hospital thing. I feel like I'm right.
Speaker 3: Maybe we might have. I don't remember, but I do
Speaker 3: remember in later seasons us doing an episode where there
Speaker 3: were those big acts, where there were like seven page
Speaker 3: scenes for each of our pairs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, I guess we'll get there when
Speaker 2: we get there. Thanks for joining us, everyone, Thanks kids, Hey,
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