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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama. Girl drama girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them high school queens. We'll take you for

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Speaker 2: a ride. And our comic girl cheering for the right team.

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Speaker 3: Drama Queens jays.

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Speaker 2: Go up girl fashion, but your tough girl, you could

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Speaker 2: sit with us.

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queense Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 2: Well, hi everyone, you have me and Sophia today.

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Speaker 3: Hey, there, Hi, their team.

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Speaker 2: We are looking at season six, episode twenty I would

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Speaker 2: for you, Air day, April twentieth, two thousand and nine. Gosh,

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Speaker 2: this is a big one. There's a lot of opening

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Speaker 2: doors for a lot of new things we have. When

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Speaker 2: Peyton's pregnancy is threatened, Lucas struggles to pick up the pieces,

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Speaker 2: while Victoria returns to lure Brook back to close over Burrows.

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Speaker 2: So much to talk about there, Hayley and Nathan clash

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Speaker 2: over the decision to pull Jamie from his school, and

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Speaker 2: Marvin tries to mend fence with Millicent and our friend.

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Speaker 2: Pete Kowalski directed this, written by Chris Armstrong and Brian Garcia.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, there was so much in this episode.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot in this episode and I liked it.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot that I really thought was great.

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Speaker 3: I'm bummed Hill's not with us today because we're working

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Speaker 3: around these crazy schedules. I'm off on location doing a

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Speaker 3: of meats for the sport he plays. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if they've really talked about that yet, so yeah, i'll

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Speaker 3: be vague just in case. But so exciting. And you

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Speaker 3: just got back from your movie. I'm amazed we're getting

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Speaker 3: on these zooms at all. But we're figuring it out,

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Speaker 2: We're figuring it out. We really are. I was a

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Speaker 2: judge this morning at this middle school science fair.

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Speaker 3: And right after we do this episode, I have to

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Speaker 3: go to do some choreography rehearsal for a big stunt

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Speaker 3: sequence we're doing on this movie. And life is wild.

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Speaker 2: But when you said choreography, I was like, it's Sofia

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Speaker 3: I would like to at some point, but no, this

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Speaker 3: is not. This is not a musical yet.

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Speaker 2: You could make anything a musical. You just have to try.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you just you just sing it.

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Speaker 2: Well, this episode is not a musical.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, but it was very, very sweet, and I can't

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Speaker 3: tell you how happy it makes me to have Mouth

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Speaker 3: I just I love those two. And every once in

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Speaker 3: they're not even characters I root for in a show

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Speaker 2: And that's interesting that you say that. I think you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because at the end of the day, there's nothing

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Speaker 3: Could we know, how about we just show like healthy relationships,

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of sweet, sweet young relationships, oh might talk

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's something that I think is so true

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Speaker 2: I think you're right because I see that a lot

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Speaker 3: God. But you know what's funny. I can see and

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Speaker 3: But you're a human, there's no but so many times

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Speaker 2: No, I really don't know, you know, all that weird

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so great. How do we feel about the

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Speaker 3: Well, it's so manipulative, but it's really interesting. I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's the it's the I'm going to

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Speaker 2: way I want you to, it's your fault for what

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Speaker 2: I've been in relationships like that. I've felt like I

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00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: found me too to god weird. Yeah, it's really, but

435
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 2: it's so it's so insidious and you feel so guilty

436
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my god. Like this scenario I've got,

437
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: you're being held hostage essentially, and then at some point

438
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: to realize, oh wait, this other person created the problem.

439
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: This is on them. But this happened in another episode

440
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: that we were talking about this too, was it Dan?

441
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: It had to have been Dan, right, I remember what

442
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: it was. Yeah. So it's funny. It's funny to see

443
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: how the dual, the duality still exists with Victoria, like

444
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: she's still coming in. There's no humility, there's no, nothing.

445
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: It's like I'm going to hold you hostage to get

446
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: what I want because I don't want to have to

447
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 2: apologize or admit that I was wrong. And yet let

448
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: me see if I can do some kind of I

449
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: don't know if she's trying to do like a like

450
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: a karmic cleansing, working out think good things with Sam,

451
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: or if she genuinely wants to become a better person.

452
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like the Dan parallel.

453
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: I like that we do too.

454
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: I really like that we get the Disney villain female

455
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: Disney villain version of Dan Scott.

456
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: I do too. And she's just so good at it.

457
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: You know.

458
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: That's the thing is Daphne is so phenomenal at her

459
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: job that you love her even though she's a villain.

460
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: Like we're all obsessed with Victoria, and that is so

461
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 3: that's such a fine sort of needle to thread.

462
00:24:51,520 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: Bitchtoria Victoria were the two that for this episode.

463
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 3: It is wild, but you know what I will say,

464
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: It is manipulative what she says. And there is something

465
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: that irks me a little bit though I get it,

466
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: but it irks me. In the dialogue that they gave

467
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: to Hillary to say to me, I don't know what

468
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 3: you should do, but I know what you're gonna do.

469
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: You always sacrifice yourself for others, and that's why we

470
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 3: love you.

471
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: I didn't catch that.

472
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it dinged to me because I was like, oh,

473
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: twenty years later, like we all understand that that's actually

474
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: so dangerous, this sort of encouragement to women that we're

475
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: supposed to martyr ourselves to make other people happy. You

476
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: know that we're supposed to not exist, We're supposed to

477
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: be so self less.

478
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's the brave thing about you that you're

479
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: willing to just continue to peel off your own skin

480
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: for other people.

481
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

482
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: It struck with a cord is analogy? Sorry, no, I

483
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: get it.

484
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: It struck a chord with me. I think because it's

485
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: something that I've I've had to work on for myself

486
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: as a person, like erasing myself to keep other people happy,

487
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: denying my experience to not be too sensitive. Like, you know,

488
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: I even went through this recently, Like there was a

489
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: whole thing with you know, my coach who was like, well,

490
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: you're an adult, are you Are you going to be

491
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: unwilling to forgive forever? Or do you want to work

492
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 3: through injury? And the great part you know fast forward

493
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: to now is that like early in working with my

494
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: therapist who I love, he was like, that's wildly inappropriate,

495
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: Like someone telling you you have to forgive through your

496
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: boundaries is wildly inappropriate. If you if your boundary is

497
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: here and someone else's boundary is over there, you can

498
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 3: discuss that. You can see if there's a way to

499
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 3: meet in the middle. You can acknowledge that perhaps that

500
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: means like that's not the person who should you know,

501
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: occupy your number one seed of importance in your life,

502
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: Like sometimes you just aren't compatible with people. But for

503
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: another sort of advisor to say to you it's up

504
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: to you to forgive this, regardless of how you feel

505
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: about it, to prove that you're emotionally mature, Like that's gaslighting.

506
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: I'm really listening to what you're saying because I really

507
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: want to understand it, and I feel like I can

508
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: see it from your point of view. But I'm also like,

509
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: but isn't forgiveness for you like I do it for me,

510
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: not sure for the other person, because it's otherwise it's

511
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: like I'm just holding on to something that's sure, but

512
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: which would indicate a level of emotional maturity that you're

513
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: growing and you know, blah blah blah.

514
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: I think we can forgive all sorts of things and

515
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: then move on. But if someone has, like.

516
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: Well, forgiveness and continuing to allow someone to yes harm

517
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: you or like cross those boundaries, that's different. Like I

518
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: don't think forgiveness necessarily means continued permission.

519
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 3: Well, and that's that's more. What I'm referring to, Oh,

520
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: is like, oh, this is a deal breaker for me. Yeah,

521
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: And someone saying you don't get to have deal breakers

522
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: if you want to be emotionally mature, Oh no, that's

523
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: bullshit and be in relationship with some and I'm like no,

524
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: But there was a time where I really was like, Okay,

525
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: a really mature person would be able to say you

526
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: are you and I am me, and we have different experiences,

527
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: and okay, maybe I just shouldn't personalize this, And it's like, no,

528
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: everybody gets to have a deal breaker, of course.

529
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: And you can say those things exactly about one person

530
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: and exactly about somebody else, and one person still gets

531
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: to be a part of your world and another person doesn't.

532
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: And it's not that's just like personal discretion and what

533
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: you feel is like, this is worth it, this is

534
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: worth investing in. I see a bigger picture of why

535
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: this is still worth investing in, and another one where

536
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't see why this is worth investing

537
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: in exactly, And that's okay, exactly. There's no fair it's

538
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: not fair evil even scale thing. This is just personal.

539
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: Well And I think to get to a point where

540
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: you don't get talked out of yours is so important

541
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: and weirdly, I actually think it really relates to this point.

542
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: The like parallel of what Victoria says to Brook about

543
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: close over Bros. And what we're talking about has been

544
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: said to us on so many sets forever. You know,

545
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: this one, my set after this one, which was No

546
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: Walk in the Park. I always want to be a

547
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: person who shows up prepared, who prioritizes the well being

548
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: of my crew, who you know, if we're going to

549
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: be on a forced call the next day because we're

550
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: losing daylight, I take a poll of the crew and say, look,

551
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: they want to force me, but if they force me,

552
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: that means they're forcing all of you. How do you

553
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: feel about it? Like, I want to be that person

554
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: I like being a team player. What I don't want

555
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: to be is a team martyr. Yeah, and to learn

556
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: the line of that I think is so important to

557
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: show up with, like integrity and professionalism is should be

558
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: our standard, but you shouldn't be encouraged to take you know,

559
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: abuse or mistreatment to protect other people. And what I

560
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: like about you know that Brooke doesn't have that realization

561
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: in this episode yet, right, Like Victoria strikes exactly the

562
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: cord she's supposed to strike with her, which is, of

563
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: course she's going to go back to the company so

564
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: that the company doesn't dissolve. But where I see her

565
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: beginning to reclaim her power is in that fifty fifty

566
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: two okay, fifty one and she gets yeah, and it's

567
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: like she says a boundary for herself. She sets a

568
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: boundary for herself and has a win. And I feel

569
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: like we're starting to see this moment of her really

570
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: claiming her own space. And I'm I feel very proud.

571
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. The hard part is not

572
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: everyone understands it, and there are still a lot of people,

573
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: I would say, mostly kind of in the old Guard

574
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: on sets and maybe in work environment, any any work environment,

575
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: I guess that still think martyrdom equals team spirit. Yeah,

576
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: and so that the hard part then is I mean

577
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: for me anyway, is then being coupling that with people

578
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: pleasing and like not wanting anybody to be mad at me.

579
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: So it's like, I know I'm doing the right thing.

580
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: I know I'm not martyring myself. I'm trying to set

581
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: a boundary, but then that's gonna make a B and

582
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: C person mad and I just don't want people mad

583
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: at me, So I'll just do you know, I'll either

584
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: go full out like I don't care what anybody says,

585
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: or I'll just shrink back. And yeah, I really like

586
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: I like seeing the negotiation that's happening with with Brooke

587
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: figuring out like Okay, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do

588
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say the right thing because

589
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: she's been put in an impossible position by Victoria, but

590
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: she's going to do the thing that feels honorable for herself.

591
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: She's going to do the most right thing that she

592
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: keeps the right thing.

593
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's going to do it in a way

594
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: where she still gets to set her boundary. As you said,

595
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm just repeating what you said.

596
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: But I love it. I love I gotta say. I

597
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: think it's so cool for us, you know, as the

598
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: women we are today, having been through all the things

599
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: we've been through, to like be able to sit and

600
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: watch this TV show we made and go, oh wow,

601
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: we really hit the nail on the head with some

602
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: sort of universal experience here. Yeah, Like most people don't

603
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: run you know, giant multinational fashion brands, right, they're crazy moms.

604
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: But like, it's weirdly very universal. This thing that we're

605
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: seeing with Brooke and her mother and you know, Sam,

606
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: who is essentially her daughter. Like this, this multi generational

607
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: group of women figuring out their shit is like what

608
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: we're doing all the time.

609
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: So I sorely, I don't know.

610
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: I think it's so neat to see it from this

611
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: point in time and to still feel like we can

612
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: connect to it.

613
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the magic of the show that

614
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: they kept finding ways to connect with the audience. Yeah,

615
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: over topics that were seemingly so singular, semingly.

616
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: So singular, seemingly so you could sing that and it

617
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: would be like a very cute line in a musical.

618
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: I'll work on it.

619
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: I also really, really loved the dynamic between you and

620
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: James in this episode. Thanks watching Haley and Nathan, you know,

621
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: be in again, like Mouth and Milly, this long distance thing,

622
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: like he's off playing ball, but then he comes home

623
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: and you have this moment and we really get to

624
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: see you guys not just be parents, but like be teammates.

625
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: And I get to see a version of Hailey when

626
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: she was eight dying to go to this school for

627
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: the gifted. And I get to see Nathan see a

628
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: version of himself when he was like some little punk

629
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: ass boy on the playground. Yeah, and the way you

630
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: both navigate being Jamie's parents, it just felt so honest

631
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: and sweet and fun, Like this was a fun episode

632
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: to watch you guys. It didn't have to be you know,

633
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: big stupendous, crazy grand gesture something or you know, some

634
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: tragic accident like you just being a mom and a

635
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: dad and it is so sweet.

636
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: Well, and that goes back even to what you were

637
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: saying just now about being relatable that it's boy. I mean,

638
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: especially as the mom of a kid in middle school,

639
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: and I had this conversation with a lot of other parents.

640
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: We look at the school situation and it's like what

641
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: do I prioritize Because there's four classes in this school

642
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: that are pretty terrible, but there's three that are excellent,

643
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: and there's an amazing social community. She's so happy. Her

644
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: friends are really good. They're good kids. Like I see

645
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: these kids come over to my house, I'm like, oh, yes,

646
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: I've raised a child that chose that. She chooses good,

647
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: solid people to be around. I'm so happy. Yeah, But

648
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: the schooling when you have an opportunity for like we know,

649
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 2: life can be so long and provide so many opportunities,

650
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: and there's so many chances to grow, but also the

651
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: doors that open in the choices that you make and

652
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: the opportunities that you take can be very huge deciding

653
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: factors in the trajectory of your life. So there's all

654
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: these things floating around that you're trying to make decisions about.

655
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: When it comes to school. Yeah, elementary school, high school,

656
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean mostly when it comes to getting into high

657
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: schools and colleges. It's something I think about a lot.

658
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: And it was really funny to watch Nan and Ailey

659
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: going through the same thing because I'm like, oh, gosh,

660
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: I get it. You see the possibility when you give

661
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: your kid an opportunity for a really, really excellent education.

662
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: But Jamie would have had a terrible time in that school.

663
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: He would not have had any friends.

664
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: Well, and here's the thing, maybe he wouldn't have Maybe

665
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: he would have settled in and it would have been great.

666
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, he likes his people,

667
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: he likes his teacher, he loves going to recess, and

668
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: it feels like he gets to be more of a

669
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: kid and that's just what matters in this moment to

670
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: this family, and it feels really authentic. And even I

671
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: wrote it down because I loved I loved that you

672
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: guys did this when you're sitting on the couch at

673
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: the end of the night and he's talking about how

674
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to go back, and you're teasing him like, oh,

675
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: you don't want to go back to the NBA, you know,

676
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: And it's this sweet moment and then the kid pitter

677
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: patters in and he tells you what he wants and

678
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: James says, we'll talk about it, and you say, we

679
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: really appreci shit you coming to us. And I loved

680
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 3: that the parents didn't give into the five year old

681
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: right away but made him feel heard and respected and

682
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: still retained. We're going to be the ones that make

683
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 3: the decision.

684
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do what's best for you.

685
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're going to include you and I. I

686
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: just love it. It's such a healthy dynamic.

687
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I really liked that. I

688
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: liked it all. I liked that green dress that she put.

689
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Carol, it was so good. I know

690
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: you were running down the hall chasing him, like trying

691
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: to make sure he looked all put together, and I

692
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: was like, this is very funny. And also Joy looks hot.

693
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 2: Oh also Jamie walking in and negotiating in that scene

694
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: that you're talking about, where he's like, here's what I

695
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: think is. Yeah, I had this conversation so many times.

696
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: Maria is such a good negotiator. She should be a lawyer.

697
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 2: It's funny how many kids are always doing that.

698
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 3: And he does it on the river court with skills too.

699
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when.

700
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: Skills in Nathan are running the little kids basketball moment

701
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: at the river Court. I wrote this down. He says,

702
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: if I give up everything, I'll have no bargaining power.

703
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: It's called supply and demand. That coming out of a

704
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: five year old's mouth is so funny and I just

705
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: thought like the writers really nailed the whole dynamic for him.

706
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: They really figured out how good at comedy Jackson was,

707
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: and the whole thing just felt so sweet.

708
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm into how how they were tying all the

709
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: I also really appreciate this about our show, And I

710
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: don't know that it's that it always exists and when

711
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 2: it does, it happens so effortlessly that you don't notice

712
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: it until you recognize it, which is tying in all

713
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: the storylines with each other. Yea, once one character goes

714
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: from one story into another, and then a character from

715
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: that storyline go into another. So Jamie moving into this

716
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: thing with Skills and his teacher, Yep, the fabulous Alice

717
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: in Munn giving her the flowers, giving her the flowers.

718
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: Here's what's funny. Okay, Skills has had a very specific

719
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: type up until now, as far as we know, I mean,

720
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 2: Bevin and deb were the only two girls he's stated, right,

721
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there were more. I'm sure we

722
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: were more, but it seems like there's a specific type,

723
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: a little pattern. But this girl, I mean, miss Lauren

724
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: is Okay, she's tiny and blonde.

725
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, she's another hot blonde.

726
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: She's another tiny hot blonde, but she's definitely more conservative.

727
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: She's more like serious and put together the teacher. She

728
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: doesn't get overly flattered by the flowers or like giggly

729
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: or bubbly. It's very like professional. I'm not really sure

730
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: if I should accept this. Thank you.

731
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: I love that you read miss Lauren as like professional.

732
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: I do obviously. But she's spicy.

733
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: She's spicy. It's there.

734
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: She can throw it back. When they get in the

735
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: conversation about the video games, she's like, Okay, she's got

736
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: like a sass underneath. How sweet she looks, which I.

737
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: Think that's what's drawing skills in.

738
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly it. You can see Antoine's eyes

739
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: light up, like, oh yeah, this chick is cool.

740
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: You're saucy, this will be fun. Yeah. I loved that one.

741
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: That was really sweet and the.

742
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: Sort of through line. It's so refreshing to see everybody,

743
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: as you said, really tied together, and it makes all

744
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: of it make sense and even motivates you know. At

745
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: one point I was watching the episode and granted, I

746
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: love that Victoria comes and gets Sam at the end,

747
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: but I'm like, why is Victoria at the Dixie grill,

748
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: but like, how does she know?

749
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: But what I will tell you, Dan just shows up everywhere.

750
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: Exactly, which is sort of great. But I know exactly

751
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: why Hayley goes to the River Court because she knows

752
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 3: that's where the boys are, like because Skills is getting

753
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: Jamie from school and then Nathan's going to do after

754
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: school basketball practice. And it just feels like an.

755
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: Authentic town life. It's an authentic life, that's it. It's

756
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: a very small town. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. I'm feeling

757
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: that more and more. And I'm sure Hillary would echo

758
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: that as well, living where she is in Hudson Valley,

759
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: but in a small town is a small town, And

760
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: where I am in Nashville, I'm feeling that more and more.

761
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: The sense of running into somebody you know every day,

762
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: the regular hangouts where all the boys go to the

763
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: seven to eleven after lacrosse, there's this very specific hangouts.

764
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: There's the ice cream shop and the times of day

765
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: when you know what pockets of people are going to

766
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: be where it's fun. Yeah, and I like that we

767
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: really brought that out.

768
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: It's really really sweet. What I will say too, that

769
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: I appreciated about this. It's a bit of a rewind,

770
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: but I think it does bring it full circle. Is

771
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: because we're seeing people figure out how to have their

772
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: dream even when their circumstances are changing. And with the

773
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 3: Nathan and Hailey, the fact that he's off in Charlotte

774
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: with the team and then he comes home and then

775
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: he says he's sad about going back. I love the

776
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: bookends of learning to play nice. I love that Haley

777
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: gave him that you know, Jamie and Chuck are like you,

778
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: and this Nino guy or could be Yeah, and in

779
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: a way, seeing people figure out how to do the

780
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: thing they love regardless of what stands in their way.

781
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: I also see Haley and Mia do that for Peyton

782
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: because Peyton's on bed rest, so you bring the studio

783
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: to her and you make this effort to make someone

784
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: feel seen and to make sure someone doesn't lose out.

785
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: And I just I liked even though they're having completely

786
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: different experiences. I liked the button because we started the

787
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: show with Peyton and Nathan, yeah, as a couple who

788
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: obviously were not well suited for each other and needed

789
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: to sort of be with their opposites a la Haley

790
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: and Lucas. But I don't know. There was something where

791
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: I went like, oh, wow, you know when we have

792
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: those beats where we realize these kids as adults would

793
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: be really proud of their younger selves or like identify

794
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: with their younger selves. There was something about it that

795
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: made me think, like, what a full circle moment for

796
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: these two and it felt cool.

797
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: I love that you're making me like this episode more

798
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: and more. I mean, I heard it was like this

799
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: is a fun episode, but I love the weaving of

800
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: all that that I hadn't. I don't think i'd really

801
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: paid attention to that this time around. Thank you.

802
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because you know, we had these early emo scenes

803
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: of Peyton in season one driving around in the Commet sad,

804
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: and now Peyton's driving around in the Commet happy, and

805
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 3: she's elated when she sees this mother and daughter who

806
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: remind her of her mom and herself, and she.

807
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: Was yes and what she wants.

808
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's having all of this happiness. And then there's

809
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: Rich the car accident, and yet amidst the odds, she's

810
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 3: figuring out how to keep going. And that's been Nathan's

811
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: hero's journey in this season too. Yeah, And I think

812
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: the parallel for those two is very cool.

813
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: It's a lot of redemption. It's cool. Yeah, I do

814
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: have one question about this Nathan storyline. Why do you

815
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 2: know why we replaced b J Brett who played Devon.

816
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: It feels like this storyline is something that could have

817
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: just been done with the Devon character. I don't know

818
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: why he had to because it seemed like we were

819
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: building up to something with the two of them and

820
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: all that friction, and then he left and they just

821
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: bring in another guy who's also being a jerk. I

822
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, maybe he got a show and

823
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: like had to leave. I don't know what happened, but

824
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: it felt weird.

825
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the whole point of having Devon leave

826
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: was to have that moment, like you think you're the

827
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: only one with a family, to have Nathan realize that,

828
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, things don't always have happy endings. But it

829
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: feels a little lazy, you know. It feels like they

830
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: either could have worked it out with him, or you're right,

831
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: maybe he booked another job and had to go, because

832
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 3: that's that's a reality we always experience with our wonderful

833
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: guest stars. Like we're all out here trying to book jobs. Hello,

834
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: We're actors.

835
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, regardless, I did really love the storyline and

836
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: I did too. Yeah. I like seeing them both figure

837
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: out how to work together to strong personalities and they

838
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: just had to figure it out. I mean, that's always

839
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: a nice It's nice to see that working.

840
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: I also liked that they were having this very like

841
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: combative boy experience.

842
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked that.

843
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: It wasn't what we all do and like sit around

844
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: and talk about our feelings. It was like, I don't

845
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: want to play with you either, and if you just

846
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: shut up and let me teach you this thing, we'll

847
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: never have to play together again.

848
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: Like yeah, they're like, okay, fun.

849
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: It was so childish in a way, but it was

850
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: also just really honest, and it made the Jamie and

851
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: Chuck parallel work because you were like, oh yah, there forever,

852
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: they're just gonna be these boys on the playground. I

853
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: got it.

854
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: Lately, I know, so great. Yeah, well, finishing up, we

855
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: didn't really talk much about Lucas. I know you were

856
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: going there, but we were like, oh, way do we

857
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: go Nathan or Lucas? But anyway, Lucas seems so calm

858
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: at the hospital. Why I don't know, but I was

859
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: like I was definitely confused.

860
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess because she was okay by the

861
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: time Brooke walked in, but he was literally.

862
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: Saying the words Peyton could die and the baby could die,

863
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: and he was just like, yep, that could happen. I

864
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: was like, dude, how do you? I mean, I guess.

865
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: And for Lucas, who's it? He's like an emo kid,

866
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: like he's so how is he not? Maybe he was

867
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: just compartmentalized all of it, like you just it would

868
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: have taken taken him over. It would have overwhelmed him

869
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: completely if he had even allowed a little bit of

870
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: emotion to seep through. So maybe that was it.

871
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I will say sometimes when things are

872
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: really overwhelmingly bad, I go, I go not blank, but

873
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: like I go very like first responder. So I'm kind

874
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 3: of like, Okay, here's what's happening. This is bad. You're

875
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: going to do this, you go grab that. I'm going

876
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: to get this. Somebody get me a tournique, get it, like,

877
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't get emotional until after.

878
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not about you. It can't be about you.

879
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: It can't be to be about the person that needs help.

880
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: And I wonder if because Lucas has been sitting with

881
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: this with Peyton and they've made this decision to move

882
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 3: forward with a high risk pregnancy.

883
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: So now it's about Brooke because he's telling her.

884
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: Because Brooke is like, what do you mean all of

885
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: these bad things that she wasn't just in a car accident?

886
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: Like what? Yeah?

887
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: And so I like it. It's actually very funny because one

888
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: of my best friends is visiting and when we got

889
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: to the end of the episode and he like smushes

890
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: the Comet logo back onto the busted.

891
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: Car that's still not fixed, she was like, well, why.

892
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: Is he doing that? The car is broken and what like,

893
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: what are we supposed to be Why didn't he take

894
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: it to an autobody shop?

895
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: Are we supposed to leave?

896
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: This guy's going to fix this car? And I was like,

897
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: here's a fun fact, because you've never seen the show.

898
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: He actually grew up in an autobody shop. And she goes,

899
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: oh wow, everything makes so much more sense.

900
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: Tiny pieces of information.

901
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: But also the guy who grew up in the autobody shop, like,

902
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: that's the last thing that's going to go back on

903
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: the fixed car.

904
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: It is the absolute last thing. Yeah.

905
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: I was like, could we not have just had him

906
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 3: like run his hands and like look at it and

907
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: reach for the toolbox and be like, oh wow, he's

908
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: going to fix Peyton's car.

909
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: No, the comet thing should have been hanging off the car,

910
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: like or barely hanging on, and he should have taken

911
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 2: it off so we know what's about to happen.

912
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: You get it in the window sill and the garage

913
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: and been like, we're going to get her back.

914
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but I was happy to see him fixing

915
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: up the comment in Keith's autobody shop where it was

916
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: you know where you would tow it. I just thought

917
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: that was a great tie in. I really liked it.

918
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: It felt nice to see. Yeah, everybody gets back to

919
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: their roots a little bit in this episode. It's kind

920
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: of cool.

921
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

922
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: Well, we have a listener question from Taylor or Talon.

923
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: I don't know which your name is, but either is

924
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: very cool.

925
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: It's spelled in a very cool way.

926
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 4: Yes.

927
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: Music is such a big part of the show. Are

928
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: there any songs other than the theme song that still

929
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: make you think of One Tree Hill when you hear

930
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: them outside of watching the show? Yes, Yes, Hattie Griffin's

931
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: the Rowing song, yep, I don't know what episode it

932
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: was in. I just remember watching the episode and being like,

933
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: what is that song? Who sings it? And I became

934
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: a Patti Griffin fan for life because of that song

935
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: what about You?

936
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 3: I mean yes. Also, I actually ironically made a note

937
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 3: because in that scene when Sam and Jack are at

938
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: the cafe talking about, you know, all of the concerts

939
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: they're going to go to, and then later the Foster

940
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: parents come in and they're Bonnerou goers, Yeah, that lex

941
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: Land song was playing and I was like, oh my god,

942
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: like it gave me goosebumps when it started, and it

943
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: played for a while in that section of the episode,

944
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: and it's just so good and I haven't heard it

945
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: in so long, but like the minute it started, I

946
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 3: remembered all the words and I was like, oh, wow,

947
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: this is a trip. Yeah. So sometimes it's songs like

948
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: that that you're mentioning that will always, you know, come

949
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: to mind when you think of the show. And then

950
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: and there are songs I have forgotten about that when

951
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: I hear I remember hearing them on the show for

952
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so cool.

953
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: I love that.

954
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: Uh cool.

955
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: Well, I guess we spin a wheel and do honorable

956
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: mention and then let's see what we got. Hopefully you

957
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: guys will join us next week.

958
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm excited for next week.

959
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: Most likely too rip their pants in public. That's funny.

960
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul Johansson.

961
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: I was gonna say Bevern or Lee Norris because they

962
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: both unabashedly get low on a dance floor. Oh yeah,

963
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: and I always keep a little baggy of safety pins

964
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: in my purse because I have fixed multiple friends pants

965
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 3: while out dancing and realized, you know what, the fact

966
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 3: that I have these is great, and I should have

967
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: the mummy all the time.

968
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: So you probably invented those little things they sell now,

969
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, the little square packets with the zippers that

970
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: come with and it's got like advil, a tampon, a

971
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: sewing kit, like an all little mini versions.

972
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: The fact that I didn't make those is insane, because yeah,

973
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: I used to just make them myself.

974
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah all the time. Yeah, exactly, put him in, put

975
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: him in a little kit.

976
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: Well, dang, if only I could go back in times.

977
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 2: Right, all the things we could have invented, my honorable mention? Wait,

978
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: what's your honorable mention? What's yours?

979
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 3: No?

980
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: You go okay, My honor. My honorable mention is the

981
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: math puns. Oh my god, in the Oppenheimer School in masketball.

982
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: Masketball and math holes, math holes and uh and what

983
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: did oh? And he was like, that's a three point masket? Like, unwell,

984
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: that was so great.

985
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: What a math hole?

986
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 3: That was so great? You know what I think? I mean, gosh.

987
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: There were so many things I really loved about the episode,

988
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: but the thing that communicated the most.

989
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: To me.

990
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: That I don't know if it was in the script

991
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: or if it was just a choice made on the day,

992
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: the stacking, stacking, the sugars, stacking, the half and half

993
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 3: stacking the things, and that both Sam and Jack had

994
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: this habit and when he left, it was this thing

995
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: that she was still doing. And I don't know it

996
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: it's a non verbal communication, but I thought it was

997
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: really powerful. So that that gets an honorable mention.

998
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: I love that. And I don't remember if we did

999
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: we discover that that was a direction from Paul in

1000
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: the episode when he did it first, and then they

1001
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't know where was it in the script.

1002
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, it might have been it might

1003
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: have been something they decided on. And then it played

1004
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 3: so well that they kept it, but I really liked it.

1005
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: And oh, I'm gonna be greedy. I'm going to I'm

1006
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: going to do a fifty to fifty. Yeah, do an

1007
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: honorable mention. The other thing that I loved so much

1008
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: was when Jack got in the car that tilt down

1009
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: to see Sam was holding her own hand again.

1010
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I missed it.

1011
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: She put her hands behind her back and was holding

1012
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: her own hands like she told him she would when

1013
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: she was scared. And I it makes me.

1014
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: Want to cry right now.

1015
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: Oh, how that happened? How did I mix that?

1016
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: I must have looked down it was.

1017
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you like, if you grabbed your phone or

1018
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: a drink of water, you would have missed it.

1019
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: And it was so.

1020
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: It was just really beautiful, and it was such a

1021
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: cool reminder, you know, as an artist, actor, director, to

1022
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: never forget the power of like the tiniest choice that

1023
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 3: can really it just it brings everything up.

1024
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 2: I love not everything has to be spoken, It doesn't

1025
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: have to be explained. Yeah, yeah, it's good.

1026
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: The next episode, Season six, episode twenty one, A Kiss

1027
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 3: to Build a Dream on. Also for the record, sounds

1028
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 3: like it could be the title of a song in

1029
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: a musical.

1030
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: It is the title of a song. Yeah, I guess

1031
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: to build a dream.

1032
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: On, don't you s? Yeah, it feels like a musical song.

1033
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: I agree, which is redundant, But you know what I mean?

1034
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: How did we never do a musical episode of One

1035
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: Tree Hill? Do you know how? I tried it hard?

1036
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm aware.

1037
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 3: That you did. I'm like, we we did dream sequences.

1038
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: We did a nineteen forties episode. We didn't get a musical.

1039
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: At least you got to sing in that I did.

1040
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 3: Didn't we do one that was one shot? Like every

1041
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: act was one shot? Am I crazy?

1042
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: Or did we do that? We had to rehearse it, Yeah,

1043
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: three days in a row, and then we actually shot

1044
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: it and it was just like one camera shot per act.

1045
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: It was a hospital thing. I feel like I'm right.

1046
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 3: Maybe we might have. I don't remember, but I do

1047
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: remember in later seasons us doing an episode where there

1048
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 3: were those big acts, where there were like seven page

1049
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: scenes for each of our pairs.

1050
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, I guess we'll get there when

1051
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 2: we get there. Thanks for joining us, everyone, Thanks kids, Hey,

1052
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: thanks for listening.

1053
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also

1054
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,000
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1055
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,560
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1056
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: you next time.

1057
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: We all about that.

1058
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,320
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1059
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1060
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