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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and it is a rainy it's

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Speaker 2: pretty nice, ugly yeah day like we're a week out

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Speaker 2: from Christmas here and it's like wet, yucky.

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Speaker 3: The snow go feels like Raven's week.

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Speaker 2: It does feel like this week.

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Speaker 4: We've got a.

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Speaker 3: Jam pack show for you folks.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely do have Bob Labriola joining us here in

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Speaker 2: the segment number two of the first hour. Then we've

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Speaker 2: got a special guest, Keanu Benton.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 2: Expect to do a join us here on the show

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Speaker 2: at around four forty five. Sou lots to get to here. First.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to say the uh Blitzsburg nickname Matt originated

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Speaker 2: thirty years ago today.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: When former radio color analyst Myron Cope Yui Double Yui

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Speaker 2: asked callers to talk on his talk show to come

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Speaker 2: up with a nickname for that nineteen ninety four defense,

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Speaker 2: We'll Cope opted for a different one. Ed Bouschett who

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Speaker 2: covered the Steelers from the Post is head like the

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Speaker 2: name Blitzberg and used it in a story. You can

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Speaker 2: check that out. A Steeler story Bertha Blitzberg takes you

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Speaker 2: inside every aspect of the unique defensive system of the

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Speaker 2: fire zone and it's creation. Yeah, got the interviews with

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Speaker 2: Dick Lebow, Bill Cower, Greg Lloyd, rod Woodson, Chad Brown,

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Speaker 2: Levon Kirkland, everybody but me who was there. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I digress. They didn't need to talk to me about

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Speaker 2: that one. They had plenty of good guys on there.

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Speaker 2: You can go and check that out on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel. You can also find it on Steelers dot

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Speaker 2: com as well if you search for that on there.

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Speaker 2: Matt I wanted to get I'm not going to get

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Speaker 2: too in depth into the injury report today because I

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Speaker 2: can tell you that today's practice was a glory I'd

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Speaker 2: walk through.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like that's what all four of these

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Speaker 3: teams seem to be doing that.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of a hat day, you know, so

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Speaker 2: taking it easy on the player's bodies. But Justin Fields

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Speaker 2: did not practice. Patrick Queen was back, he was resting yesterday,

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Speaker 2: will participant today. George Pickens did not practice. But I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you, I've seen him moving and running around. He

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Speaker 2: looks fine. Deshaun Elliott did not practice. Dante Jackson did

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Speaker 2: not practice. The Landom Roberts took the Veterans Day today.

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Speaker 4: TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt listed as a limited participant, Cam Heyward didn't practice,

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Speaker 2: and Larry Ogan Jogi Ogan Joby also listed as a

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Speaker 2: limited participant. To be for the steel sounds like no,

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Speaker 2: you know again, if you your watch, you've just watched

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Speaker 2: the practice, Like, oh, but you got to realize what

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Speaker 2: they're doing out there. I did want to get into

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Speaker 2: this week.

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Speaker 3: I know we've had this conversation. Yeah, limited for a

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Speaker 3: walkthrough is a funny thing to me. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: like you're really only jogging at most.

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Speaker 2: You know, but we're yogging as it were. The jay

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Speaker 2: might be sow of I'm not sure. No, okay, it's

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Speaker 2: an anchor manner. Yeah maybe I knew it was from

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Speaker 2: something I could remember exactly, But yeah, I think the

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Speaker 2: j maybe sawt so, madam, I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: this before we get too far into the show here.

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Speaker 2: Tom Pelasarro and NFL Network pulled some gms and executives

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Speaker 2: to vote on the twenty twenty four Season Awards.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, let's dig in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the receive they have twenty pulled twenty seven people,

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Speaker 2: so it's not like they just pulled a few, receiving

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Speaker 2: twenty two of the twenty seven MVP votes.

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen, I agree. I mean, Lamar won it last year.

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Speaker 3: I think Lamar's having a better year this year than

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Speaker 3: he had last year. But Allen's been more valuable. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think he's having a remarkable season. His team's a

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Speaker 3: little more successful, and I know his numbers aren't as

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Speaker 3: good as Lamar's, but just watching the two, I think

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Speaker 3: Allan's these quarterbacks team right now. You know.

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Speaker 2: Jackson and Saquon Barkley each received two votes. Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: He's playing at that level, he just can't win it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to I I it's almost like Defensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year off like the you can't win

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Speaker 2: one of these major awards when your team is awful.

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Speaker 3: It's basically true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's how valuable were you when your team's four?

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Speaker 2: You know, four and thirteen? You know, I'm not all

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Speaker 2: that valuable. Offensive Player of the Year the runaway winner

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Speaker 2: with nineteen votes Saquon.

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Speaker 3: Barkley obviously, I mean like that. I think that's very

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Speaker 3: very clear, and he would have to really have four

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Speaker 3: more games like he just did, you know, to even

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Speaker 3: be loosely because I think it.

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Speaker 2: Blows up this week against Washington by the way, I.

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Speaker 3: Could see that too, Yeah, I could definitely see that.

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Speaker 3: Would Henry be second for you? I think Jamar Chase

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Speaker 3: would be second for me. Jamar Chase didn't get a vote, really, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he would be the receiver I would pick. I get it.

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Speaker 3: The other votes.

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen got four votes there, Yeah, I just never

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Speaker 2: think quarterback Lamar Jackson got three. Joe Burrow got one,

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Speaker 2: So okay, I guess the Bengals executive is probably voting

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Speaker 2: for Burrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean that's that's it's a trickle down

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, But who would be your next position player?

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Speaker 3: Henry Chase? None the above.

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Speaker 2: Henry would be in the conversation. I mean he's almost

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Speaker 2: sixteen hundred rushing yards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's pretty strong. Yeah yeah, not a monster season,

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Speaker 2: I mean Rock Bowers would get some that's not a

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Speaker 2: bad consideration. Yeah, I mean he's been everything in that

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Speaker 3: But we'll talk about Rookie the Year.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Defensive Player of the Year getting the most

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Speaker 3: I'm not even positive who's two, to be honest, But

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Speaker 3: I don't think any anyone has a massive case for.

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Speaker 4: It this year.

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Speaker 2: Would they say, here, what got thirteen and a half votes,

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Speaker 2: so one person split their vote. Patrick's curtain was second

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Speaker 2: so that kind of gives you an idea of I mean,

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Speaker 2: he had ten more votes in Certain The second place guy,

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Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney and Miles Garrett received three votes each, and

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Speaker 2: I got no. Again, I can't vote for Miles Garrett

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Speaker 2: for this award because they stink.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the team really brings it down.

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Speaker 2: Certain and McKinney I get because those are two good jugs.

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Speaker 3: They're going to playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, receiving one vote each. And again we've got some

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Speaker 2: of the same stuff here. Jeffrey Simmons. I think Jeffery

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Speaker 3: Doesn't get talked enough Avenue dominant year.

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Speaker 2: But they stink. And is he having a better year

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Speaker 2: than Cam Heyward?

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Speaker 3: Probably not. I think Cam is probably having the best

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Speaker 3: defensive tackle year of anyone, especially after Lawrence got hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Andrew Van Ginkel with the with the Vikings, I mean,

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Speaker 2: now you're stretching a little bit here, missus Van vote

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Speaker 2: for Texans defensive end Danielle Hunter. I kind of get that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and Aiden Hutchins. Aiden Hutchinson, he got hurt in like

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Speaker 2: week five. He hasn't played in two months.

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Speaker 3: He was winning the award.

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Speaker 2: He was off to a great start.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, but he played five games. Yeah, that's insane. Five.

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Speaker 3: How did he put a vote for him? I mean

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Speaker 3: even if he had twenty sacks in five games, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he can't pick him five games. Offensive Rookie of the Year,

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Speaker 3: It's going to be Daniels now Nicks is starting to

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Speaker 3: level off, but I think it should be Bowers.

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Speaker 2: This was the closest one.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 2: Daniels got thirteen votes, brock Bauers got nine.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 3: I think that's at least fair.

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem that Bowers have now. Aidan O'Connell looks

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Speaker 2: like he's going to be back this week, so maybe

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Speaker 2: he the production gets goes back up. But like last

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Speaker 2: the last two weeks have not been great.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean his supporting cast is hurting you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's gonna catch a hundred passes this year as.

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Speaker 3: A rookie, right right, like yeah, I mean tight end.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think he's the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also receiving votes where Nicks bo Nick's got three votes.

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Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior he's had an awesome season too, and

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Speaker 2: Buckinger Bucky Irving both got one.

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Speaker 3: I see the case with those guys. I mean, would

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Speaker 3: you consider Neighbors. I thought that he got hurt for

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Speaker 3: a stretch there. I thought he was neck and neck

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but again it's much better offensively. It's there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of good talent there.

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Speaker 3: Brian Thomas. I'm glad he got mentioned. Yeah, he's doing

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Speaker 3: it without.

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Speaker 4: A lot of help.

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Speaker 2: Just defensive Rookie of the year. This would be verse

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Speaker 2: for me. He got fifteen votes, Okay, Quenya Mitchell would

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Speaker 2: Brayden Fisk got three votes.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine with that. Mike sant Astroll. It's pretty crazy

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Speaker 3: that they build a defensive line in two.

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Speaker 2: Drafts and La Mike sant Astro and Kaylem Bullock each

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Speaker 2: got one one executive abstained.

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Speaker 3: Because nobody deserved it.

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Speaker 2: I guess, or he didn't want to vote for his guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't think any of these guys were worth its.

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Speaker 2: So much of that though, is also how much did

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Speaker 2: you get to play?

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Speaker 4: Like cale?

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Speaker 2: Is Kaylem Bullock having a great season.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked he's on there. I was about to ask,

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Speaker 3: you know, is he have four picks or something?

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Speaker 2: No idea.

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Speaker 3: I think he had to pick this past week. I

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Speaker 3: mean he's starting safety on a good defense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like make Mike santstroll, But honestly, is

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Speaker 2: he deserving of you know, no, no.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's a it's a bad year. But I

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Speaker 3: mean Verse would be in the in the hunt. I

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Speaker 3: think most seasons as with Mitchell and then that's kind

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Speaker 3: of a strange.

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Speaker 2: But even with that, I mean Versus has and a

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Speaker 3: Is that it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They must all come in early because tackle he has

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Speaker 2: eleven tackles for a loss in seventeen quarterback hits. He's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not his runaway as I thought. No, Actually,

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Speaker 3: Mitchell plays like every snap. Maybe he's gaining on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah maybe in the Yeah, Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 3: This could go so many different directions, but I do

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Speaker 2: How about Executive of the Year. This was the tightest

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Speaker 3: Okay, nothing's coming to mind. I hadn't even thought of

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Speaker 3: I always look at this award as how good of

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Speaker 3: I mean drafting Drake Mays and I But other than that,

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Speaker 3: It's not a good roster.

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Speaker 2: They're a worst team than they were last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Marcis Brown who hasn't played worthy, He hasn't been great.

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Speaker 3: Don't give him a calling. Not voting on this stuff

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Speaker 2: That was it. Those are the big, big major.

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Speaker 3: At least there are some qualifications now kind of like

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Speaker 2: Now and the no I tweeted that out. Yes, that's

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Speaker 3: But if you wouldn't have missed time, maybe Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: Nico was but miss time.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: Justin Miller Hotline by the Dean of Doom, the Lord

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Speaker 2: of living in his fears, Bob Labriola. How are you laughs?

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't have to go to any mall or

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Speaker 2: That usually does it. I I stay away from the

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Speaker 5: And you know, and I picked up you guys gifts.

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Speaker 5: I got them online.

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Speaker 4: So oh there you go.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't even bring you home a victory from Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: It's run by the state.

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Speaker 3: Very fast.

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Speaker 4: What was the.

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Speaker 2: Question anyways, So Bob, a lot of doom and gloom

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Speaker 4: I really did. And then you see what Buffalo did

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Speaker 5: One hundred ninety seven yards rushing, five hundred and fifty

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Speaker 5: man up. I mean, that's a cute saying.

444
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 4: To put on a T shirt sounds great.

445
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but sometimes you get that you get to

446
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 5: the point where you know, that's just not you. Your

447
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 5: your roster can't absorb the loss of certain people when

448
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 5: you're playing really good teams. And I just didn't think

449
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 5: the Steelers were going to have enough offense to beat

450
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 5: the Eagles without George Pickens.

451
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 4: You know, you have some.

452
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 5: Hope that you know, maybe some guys will step up,

453
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 5: and you know, some things will happen and you get

454
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 5: lucky or you know, however it might have.

455
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: You need a TJ. Water or somebody to take over

456
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: the game, which he almost did and got you and

457
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: kept you in the game in the first half. But

458
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 2: at some points your offense has to score some points.

459
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 5: Right And you know what I was thinking was, you know,

460
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 5: maybe special teams, maybe you can get a kick return

461
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 5: or a punt return for a touchdown. You know, maybe

462
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 5: you're blocking kicks and setting up really short fields for

463
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 5: your offense. You know, that's that That was the path

464
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 5: that you know, I had in my head if it

465
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 5: was going to end in a Steelers victory.

466
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 4: And you know, they didn't get that. And again, the.

467
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: Eagles are a very good team, and being able to

468
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 5: take advantage of a team like that, or expecting a

469
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 5: team like that to kind of implode in one phase

470
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 5: of its performance in a home game, let's not forget

471
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 5: that either. You know, I think it was just a

472
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 5: little bit much to expect, you know, and I got

473
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 5: I got to bring this up. I'm sorry be officiating stunts. Seriously,

474
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 5: those guys are a disgrace. Replay assists doesn't work, you know,

475
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 5: I am so reminded of I was at training camp

476
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 5: when in Saint Vincent, when replay was initially kind of passed,

477
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 5: you know, as an officiating tool, and everybody's saw going

478
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 5: to Chuck Knowle about it, and you can imagine what

479
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 5: Chuck thought.

480
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 4: Of instant replay as an officiating tool.

481
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 5: And but some one of the reporters said to him,

482
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Speaker 5: you know, well, but Chuck, you know they're going to

483
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 5: use replay to get the calls right. And he said,

484
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 5: but what if it doesn't.

485
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where we are right now. It doesn't. It

486
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: doesn't work.

487
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 2: Everybody in that stadium saw a punch thrown except for

488
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: the guys on the field, and replay assist everybody.

489
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: Well.

490
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 5: And then and then the other one was the Connor

491
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 5: Heyward getting hit in the head. And that goes from

492
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 5: fifteen yard penalty, first down, new possession for the offense

493
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 5: Steelers offense to half the distance to the goal, from

494
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 5: the three to the one and a half.

495
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 4: That was the penalty. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's

496
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: it's I you know, I don't know. I don't know

497
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: what to say. I I am so frustrated.

498
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 5: You know, fans want answers and I'm not frustrated with

499
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 5: fans for wanting answers.

500
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 4: But I mean, what do you say?

501
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 5: You know, it's inconsistent and arbitrary, and it continues to

502
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 5: be inconsistent and arbitrary, and I.

503
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Speaker 4: Don't know how you fix it.

504
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I just don't know that making them full time,

505
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 5: I don't know anything.

506
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just gives them more time to screw things up.

507
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, how's that going to change their Tuesday afternoon?

508
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 4: It doesn't.

509
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't help them see penalties any better.

510
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: I thought replay assistance is the assistant is the right path,

511
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: but they just don't do it well well.

512
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 5: And again, you're adding more in confidence to the already

513
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 5: existing levels of incomfidence.

514
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: I honestly, I think a lot of the times, and

515
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: we've seen this happen already this season, where they make

516
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: the call in the field, somebody throws a flag, then

517
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: there's a conference about it, and I think a lot

518
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: of times they're waiting for somebody from New York to

519
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: chime in and say, Okay, here's what you're going to

520
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 2: do on this.

521
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh absolutely, there's you know, I'm I've gotten so

522
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 5: cynical about.

523
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 4: It that I mean, I don't you know.

524
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 5: I just think a lot of times they they try

525
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 5: and the on field guys trying to make calls to

526
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 5: keep replay or replay assist in the mix so that

527
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 5: it can bail them out. And you know, and again

528
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 5: I think that that is part of the reason why

529
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 5: this tush push is allowed. They never blow the whistle

530
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 5: to stop forward progress anymore. That used to be a penalty.

531
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 5: What what the Eagles are doing with Jaylen Hurts? I mean,

532
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 5: I'm old enough to remember, and I know, I'm sure Matt,

533
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 5: when you first were working in the league, that was illegal.

534
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 5: You could not push a runner like that.

535
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: People haven't gotten hurt like I mean, if some huge

536
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: man's pushing you without.

537
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: Any slamming into you from behind, right, for me, that.

538
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: Looks like a very dangerous play and nobody's gotten hurt

539
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: for it yet, you know, or or.

540
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 5: Somebody comes in off the side and hits Jalen Hurts

541
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 5: on the side of his knee.

542
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair game, right.

543
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: I don't think you should be able to aid a

544
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: runner at all.

545
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And they and it's not just a runner.

546
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 5: I mean they do it with receivers down the field everything.

547
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: You know, stand the guy get get a you know,

548
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 5: uh a steelmate kind of and then just get the

549
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 5: lineman downfield and push everybody forward five or six yards.

550
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: You know, the Steelers have done that with Nausey Harris too,

551
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 5: running places down the field. Then and again, I'm I

552
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: think it should be illegal for everyone, not just for

553
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 5: the teams, you know, playing the Steelers again. So but

554
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 5: I mean, this is where we are and expecting a

555
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 5: win in Philadelphia in those circumstances. I mean I just

556
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: didn't and I my you know, as we were wrapping

557
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 5: up the pregame show, you know, me and my pursuit

558
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 5: of when we finished, when I finished my hour and

559
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 5: I was leaving the studio wearing a break, and he

560
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 5: said to me, I don't know, what are you hoping for?

561
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: What do you think or something? I said, I just

562
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 5: hope nobody gets hurt. Yeah, And then when ninety was

563
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 5: laying on the ground there at the end, I thought.

564
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, but Labs, I was on before you

565
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 3: and my my big globally speaking key was beat the Ravens.

566
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: That was what my key was going into the year game. Yeah,

567
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: that's what It's funny you mentioned it, so, Bob. Obviously

568
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: you remember the two thousand and eight game. Steelers had

569
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: a super Bowl team, a team that would go on

570
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl. They went to Philadelphia in

571
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: Week three and lost fifteen to six. And the game

572
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: wasn't that close. I think Roethlisberger was sacked like eight times.

573
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: They had nine nine times there you go, nine times.

574
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: They had two hundred I'm sorry, they had one hundred,

575
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five yards passing. They had sixty

576
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: five yards rushing. I don't even know how they had

577
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: that much because they just got They couldn't operate offensively

578
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: in that game, turned the ball over three times. Lose

579
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: that game. It was awful. They come back the next

580
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: week against Baltimore and win twenty three to twenty in overtime.

581
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Does history repeat itself this week?

582
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm not going to make any predictions

583
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 5: of what I will say is I think that you know,

584
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 5: six field goals ain't going to cut at this.

585
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: Time, Fellas.

586
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you beat them one time with

587
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 5: no touchdowns. You know the Ravens that are thirty plus

588
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: points in eight of their fourteen games. Last week, Lamar

589
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 5: threw five touchdown passes. I mean, I think you have

590
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 5: to assume that the Ravens offense is going to be

591
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 5: more productive than it was in the first meeting. In

592
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: actorsure state, Okay, I'm not saying that Steelers can't go

593
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 5: to Baltimore and win. I mean, that's you know, beating

594
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: the Ravens, playing the Ravens, you know, really the site

595
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: of the game. To me, it's of that series isn't

596
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 5: really that significant. You know, the Steelers have lost to

597
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 5: the Ravens at home and gone to Baltimore and beating

598
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 5: them at times and later in the season in very

599
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 5: significant games had a lot of implications in terms of

600
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: you know, division stand playoff.

601
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: Seedings, those kind of things. So you know.

602
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 5: There's that, But I just think, you know, you can't

603
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 5: you can't play in the first quarter on offense like

604
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 5: the Steelers that have been playing in the first quarter

605
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 5: on offense largely over the course of this season. And

606
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 5: I don't mean and I'm talking about everybody. Let's start

607
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 5: with Arthur Smith only because he's the coordinator. He has

608
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 5: got to go in to this game, in my opinion,

609
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: with the mindset, if you're going to break tendencies, do

610
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 5: it break tendencies mixed packages. If you always run on

611
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 5: first down, throw on first down. If you always pass

612
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 5: on first down, run on first out, you cannot allow

613
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 5: this game. In my opinion, again, I keep wanting everybody

614
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 5: to know that this is just.

615
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: Me talking here. You cannot allow this game to get

616
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: to be a rock fight.

617
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 5: In terms of the scoreboard, I think, you know, if

618
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 5: it's got to be thirty nine thirty eight as it

619
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 5: was one.

620
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 4: Time, so be it. Because I just don't know that

621
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: eighteen points is going to be enough. I don't know that,

622
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: you know. I think you've got to be in the

623
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: high twenties at least. Yeah.

624
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: The only the only way you can kick six field

625
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: goals is if you also score two touchdowns on top

626
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: of that, that.

627
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: Would be three or three three.

628
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, I misspoke that game in Philadelphia

629
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, the Steelers had one hundred

630
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: and eighty yards of offense one hundred and forty seven passing,

631
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: thirty three yards rushing like it was as bad as it.

632
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 5: Got and I and a lot of that is because

633
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 5: I was there, I remember.

634
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: As it was ugly.

635
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of that was garbage time yards too.

636
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: I mean there was never any that was the gym

637
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 5: Johnson Eagles defenses where they came after you and those

638
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: a gap blitzes. Uh, you know, as you were getting

639
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 5: off the bus, and I just remember that there was

640
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 5: absolutely at no point did I have any confidence that

641
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 5: Ben was going to be able.

642
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: To stay up right, right.

643
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: Up right, either the shotgun or right.

644
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 5: Uh. No, you know, you dumped some things off you

645
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 5: you gain some yards, but there was never any uh,

646
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: in my mind that they were the Steelers were gonna

647
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: be able to sustain anything. Uh he you know, to

648
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 5: like work themselves into the scoring territory, you know, and

649
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 5: then actually put points on the board. So it's got

650
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 5: to change, I mean, I don't I don't know what how.

651
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: But one of the things that I noticed, you know,

652
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin talked about this at his news conference DPS

653
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: is now the the fact that the defensive coordinator for

654
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: the Ravens, they brought him out of retirement.

655
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: They started him as a special.

656
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: Assistant to Zach Orr, who is still the listed as

657
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 5: the defensive coordinator. But if you look at the Ravens

658
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 5: defense from the time of the last the first Steelers

659
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 5: Ravens games, from that game moving forward, I think they've

660
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 5: only given up like one pass play of twenty or

661
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 5: more yards.

662
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: Since then, they've been the best in the league. Since then.

663
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Speaker 3: They were the worst in the league before then. There

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Speaker 3: you go, you know, so a lot of miscommunications and

665
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Speaker 3: a lot of problems before.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and you know, I think that you know,

667
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Speaker 5: one of the things Mike Common mentioned was they seem

668
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Speaker 5: to have settled on one position for both Kyle Hamilton

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Speaker 5: and Marlon Humphrey, and those guys were, you know, they

670
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Speaker 5: were kind of moving chess pieces in the early part

671
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Speaker 5: of the season and it wasn't working for them, As

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Speaker 5: you mentioned, that worse worse than the league.

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Speaker 4: So I think they settle that down.

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Speaker 5: Those guys now usually line up in at one spot,

675
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Speaker 5: Humphrey as the nickel, Hamilton as a safety, and you know,

676
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Speaker 5: maybe that has solidified.

677
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Speaker 4: Things back there.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, I don't watch the Ravens

679
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Speaker 5: enough to know, but certainly their statistics indicate that.

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Speaker 4: Whatever he has done is working.

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Speaker 3: So I think he's just kind of the adult in

682
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: the room and the coaching staff because they lost their

683
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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator to Seattle, and then they lost to position

684
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Speaker 3: coaches to be defensive coordinators.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm not gonna argue with you, because again, I

686
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Speaker 5: don't know enough about the Ravens. I do know that

687
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Speaker 5: the guy who was the defensive coordinator was his name McDonald.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to Seattle, right, Yeah.

689
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Speaker 5: Okay, he's gone, and I know dnps was there. He

690
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 5: was their linebacker coach for a while. He was then

691
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Speaker 5: their defensive coordinator for a while. And here's a little

692
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Speaker 5: fun fact for you guys, Dean P's was going to

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Speaker 5: be Russ Grimm's defensive coordinator if he got hired in

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Speaker 5: two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good drab record.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the the ambassador told me that Mike Tomlin of

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Speaker 5: the finalists, Mike Tomlan was the only guy who said

698
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 5: he was going to keep Lebau in the three four.

699
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 5: Think about that if you try and if he had said, now,

700
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna change it to the Tampa two and you

701
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Speaker 5: try and take that personnel, think about that personnel in

702
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Speaker 5: O seven and turn it into a four to three defense. Yeah,

703
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Speaker 5: I mean, it would have taken you four years to

704
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Speaker 5: adapt so anyway.

705
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Speaker 4: But yeah, so Danp's knows what he's doing, and.

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Speaker 5: The Steelers have to figure some things out, figure out

707
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 5: some things that are gonna work, and you know Mike

708
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 5: Tomlin always says, you know, we can't warm up to it.

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Speaker 5: They can't warm up to it on Saturday for sure.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Labs, we're going to go.

711
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Speaker 4: Let you go.

712
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: Here we get one of the guys who will help

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Speaker 2: the Steelers perhaps not warm up to it. We get

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Speaker 2: Keanu Benton joining us here in the next segment. So

715
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time as always, and Merry Christmas to you.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you, Oh, I'll see you Christmas Day, but

717
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: hopefully get a chance to talk to you again. Before that.

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Speaker 2: Our guest has been Bob Labriola, editor of Steelers Digest

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Speaker 2: and Steelers dot Com and the Dean of Doom and

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Speaker 2: lord of living in his Fears. He's Matt Williamson. I'm

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Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. This is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

723
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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is de

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, and we're joined on the Justin Miller Hotline

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Speaker 2: by Steelers Nose Tackle Keanu Benton. Should we call you

728
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Speaker 2: nose Tackle ke On or just defensive tackle.

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Speaker 6: Just defensive tackle. That sounds I like it.

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Speaker 2: There we go. Yeah, because you're playing a lot in

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Speaker 2: the nickel and dime now as well. I mean you're

732
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Speaker 2: you're getting running all those situations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Does that obviously you want to be on the field

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Speaker 2: as much as you can. Uh, but does that kind

736
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Speaker 2: of speak to your versatility and the things that you're

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Speaker 2: able to do?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: I know two weeks ago, I sat down with Casey

741
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Speaker 2: Hampton when he was in for the for the Hall

742
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Speaker 2: of Honors stuff, and we were talking about that and

743
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Speaker 2: I reminded him, not that I had to remind him,

744
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 2: but that he had a sack in the Super Bowl.

745
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: And Casey would always talk about how, look, no, I

746
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: can rush the passer. They just don't give me the opportunity.

747
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Speaker 2: But you're getting the opportunities as a nose tackle. That's

748
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Speaker 2: that says that that they have some pretty good belief

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Speaker 2: that you can rush the passer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think I just had to, you know, short

751
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 6: a little bit last year and kind of get my

752
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 6: coach is more comfortable and putting me in those positions

753
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Speaker 6: and they'll see what I can do.

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Speaker 3: Janna, I'm curious, you know, sharing a position room with

755
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Speaker 3: Cam Hayward has to be a huge benefit to you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what kind of influence has he been in

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Speaker 3: your career?

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Speaker 4: Cam?

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Speaker 6: He's an awesome person, man, He's a he's an awesome leader.

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Speaker 6: He's the guy who's took me under his wing since

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Speaker 6: I got here and just kind of showed me the way.

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Speaker 6: And what I mean by that is like how to

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Speaker 6: go about business, how to how to take care of

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Speaker 6: my body off the field, the things that he eats,

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Speaker 6: the recovery steps that he takes. It's a lot of

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00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 6: stuff that he's taught me besides football that will help

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Speaker 6: me stay in this thing alone time.

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Speaker 2: Kana Uh. Obviously this will be your fourth time around

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Speaker 2: against the Ravens. If you kind of did this take

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Speaker 2: something for this rivalry, I'm sure you heard about it

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Speaker 2: before the first time he played them as a rookie

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Speaker 2: last year. Did you have a oh, okay, I get this,

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Speaker 2: I get this rivalry now moment against these guys.

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Speaker 6: I think I got that from the jump, you know,

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Speaker 6: the way that he explained it and the college experience

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Speaker 6: that I had. I kind of compared it to the

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Speaker 6: Minnesota in Wisconsin riberary just the natural grit and the

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Speaker 6: natural hate that we have for each other and something

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Speaker 6: that's always gonna be there. But just being in it

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Speaker 6: is awesome. And I would say it's a lot different.

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Speaker 6: The NFL rivalries is a lot different than the college rivalries.

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Speaker 6: And I say, every time we played the Ravens is

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Speaker 6: fun and you know it's gonna.

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Speaker 4: Be a dog fight.

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Speaker 2: Did you play against Linderbaum a lot in college?

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Speaker 6: I did. He went to Iowa. I played against him

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Speaker 6: for two or three years.

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Speaker 2: Nice, so you guys will be seeing each other. I

789
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Speaker 2: mean that you're like, Okay, you're gonna be there. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna be playing against each other for a long time here.

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Speaker 2: Did you like that matchup?

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Speaker 6: I like any matchup. I think he's a he's a

793
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 6: great guy. I think he has some strengths and some

794
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 6: weaknesses with every like everybody else. The same with myself.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I think it's it's it gets a

796
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 6: little it gets a little repetitive when you go against

797
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 6: the same person all the time and they know your moves,

798
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Speaker 6: you know theirs, and then that's when it becomes that

799
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Speaker 6: dog fight. You know, you know each other's moves, and

800
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Speaker 6: now it's just who's gonna be who you gotta still

801
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Speaker 6: stop it even though you know it's coming. So it's

802
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Speaker 6: like kind of one of those matchups.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned college, I mean, pretty strong Wisconsin Badger

804
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Speaker 3: group here in Pittsburgh. Did it make your transition to

805
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Speaker 3: the league a little easier too?

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Speaker 6: Uh? Yeah, because I feel like it was great because

807
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 6: I had the same vet that I had in college.

808
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 6: I said, a lot of milk. So he was here

809
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Speaker 6: and we were kind of talking about stuff like that,

810
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Speaker 6: and that was the first person I had a real

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Speaker 6: connection with who made it to the NFL. So even

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Speaker 6: when he left Wisconsin, I was still at Wisconsin. I'm

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Speaker 6: calling them up, texting them, just seeing how the transition is,

814
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Speaker 6: how how the Steelers are loving on them, and just

815
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Speaker 6: the different things. So when I came here, it wasn't

816
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Speaker 6: too big of a surprise.

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Speaker 3: And then he came with herbig too, which had to

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Speaker 3: make things a little easier too. You guys could compare notes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was cool too. You know, not being the

820
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Speaker 6: only rookie and actually knowing somebody really really close and

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Speaker 6: being drafted is kind of crazy.

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Speaker 2: What is it about the Wisconsin defenders that the Steelers

823
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Speaker 2: seem to like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: That wat guys all right there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was the Limard factor. Our defensive coordinator ran

827
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Speaker 6: the same We had the same defense as we run here,

828
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Speaker 6: and just the same the same thought process on defense,

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Speaker 6: and it was a real easy transition, just different wording.

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Speaker 4: Keanu.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are are are watching the Hard

832
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: Knocks show that's that's on HBO. Obviously they're filming all

833
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: over the building now and and it's kind of pulled

834
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Speaker 2: back the curtain a little bit on on some of

835
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Speaker 2: the stuff that that Mike Tomlin does, including a couple

836
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: of weeks ago where you had to stand up before

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Speaker 2: a game and and and give a little speech before

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Speaker 2: the game. Had you done that before? And was that

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Speaker 2: was that kind of something that you were looking forward to?

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Speaker 6: So I've done it before, yes, but that's something that

841
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 6: you don't always want to do because that means you

842
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 6: was the last person in the rule. So I've done

843
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 6: it before, but this time it was a little different

844
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Speaker 6: because I feel like this is a step in my

845
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 6: leadership and actually learning how to speak up in front

846
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 6: of everybody and speak my mind, I feel like, but

847
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 6: just my personality, it wasn't always that easy. Like I

848
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 6: can have fun and speak around people, but when I

849
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 6: get up there, I kind of forget what I'm saying,

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00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 6: but I think it came out real real well, and

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Speaker 6: I just spoke with emotion.

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Speaker 3: So we all know. Lamar Jackson and Dereck Henry are

853
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: tremendous football players, but they're also really unique for their

854
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: respective positions. Do you have to play those guys a

855
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: little bit differently than you do Joe average quarterback or

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00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: running back?

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Speaker 6: I mean I would say yeah, just the thought that

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00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 6: you know you got a running quarterback and a real great.

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Speaker 4: Running back. I think.

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Speaker 6: Just the pocket presence is the biggest change up. But

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Speaker 6: with the run game and stopping to run, I feel

862
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 6: like it ain't too much special about it. You just

863
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 6: got to stand in your gaps and make those tackles

864
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Speaker 6: and they come your way.

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Speaker 2: Well, Keanu, we know you got a busy week this week,

866
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: three games in eleven days. I got to keep your

867
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: body right. So we'll let you get going and get

868
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: back to doing what you got to get to do

869
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: do here. But good luck this weekend and you know,

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Speaker 2: hopefully you guys can wrap up that AFC North championship.

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Speaker 6: YEP, appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That was Steelers nose tackle slash defensive tackle, I should

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Speaker 2: say Kean U Benton. He's more than just a nose

875
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: tackle obviously, and very good young football player for the team,

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00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: still just twenty three years old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's got some really bright days ahead,

878
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: that's no question about him.

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00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and a good head on his shoulders and

880
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: really playing well for the Steelers this year. But he

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00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie. We've got to

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Speaker 2: get to a break that's going to do it for

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Speaker 2: our our number one of the drive here on Steeler's

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Speaker 2: Audio Network, Matt and now I'll be back with more

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Speaker 2: right after this