WEBVTT - The Ghosts that Haunted the Female Emperor

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and erin Manki. Listener discretion is advised. On the day

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<v Speaker 1>of Wu Zetian's coronation, the day the woman who had

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<v Speaker 1>ruled by proxy for decades behind her husband and then

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<v Speaker 1>her son, would finally take the throne in her own right,

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<v Speaker 1>an earthquake hit China. It roared through the province, leveling

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<v Speaker 1>homes and raising the already jagged edges of the mountain

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<v Speaker 1>range north of the Yangzi River. The earthquake's meaning seemed

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<v Speaker 1>obvious to any brave enough to allow the thought to

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<v Speaker 1>enter their head. A woman becoming the emperor upset the

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<v Speaker 1>natural order of things. The earth itself was rejecting Wu Zetien,

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<v Speaker 1>her manipulations, her power, hungry assent. But Wu had not

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<v Speaker 1>become the Emperor of China by accepting things as they were.

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<v Speaker 1>The earthquake was not a bad omen, she remarked to

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<v Speaker 1>the nobleman who surrounded her that afternoon, but a blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>Those jagged mountain ranges that had been thrust into the

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<v Speaker 1>sky with the shaking of the earth where a symbol

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<v Speaker 1>of the Buddhist Mountain of Paradise. As she was becoming

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<v Speaker 1>China's ruler su Marou was coming to earth. But that night,

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<v Speaker 1>when she went to bed, wuz A Tiene didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>of mountains or paradise. Instead, in her dreams, she was

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<v Speaker 1>visited once again by the ghosts of a concubine named

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<v Speaker 1>Jiao and a former empress named Lady Wang. The two

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<v Speaker 1>of them never said anything. They hadn't since they first

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<v Speaker 1>began coming to woo Za Tienne's dreams decades ago, when

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<v Speaker 1>she was still just the wife of an emperor. The

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<v Speaker 1>ghosts had no hands and no feet. Their limbs were

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<v Speaker 1>left bloody, but they didn't seem to be in pain.

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<v Speaker 1>They just floated in the night, looking at Wu asking

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<v Speaker 1>her with their eyes what she had done and whether

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<v Speaker 1>it had been worth it. I'm Danis Schwartz, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is noble blood. Woza Tan had needed to be incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful to be selected to be a concubine for Emperor

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<v Speaker 1>tai Zong. She was only fourteen at the time, plucked

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<v Speaker 1>from her well to do family in the year six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty six a d she would stay at

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<v Speaker 1>the palace and serve in the imperial household, But still

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a junior position, and being a third

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<v Speaker 1>or fourth or fifth tier concubine, as Wu was, was

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<v Speaker 1>more of an honorary title than anything else. In this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Young women at that level would be lucky to get

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<v Speaker 1>even a few minutes of face time with the Emperor,

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<v Speaker 1>the man who could raise their station and allow them

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<v Speaker 1>any sorts of social advancement with the flick of arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>But Wu was assigned to work as a laundress. That

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<v Speaker 1>was her first advantage. She changed the emperor's bed sheets.

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<v Speaker 1>That was where he first noticed her. A girl with bright,

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<v Speaker 1>inquisitive eyes and clear skin and a well practiced guilelessness.

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<v Speaker 1>Wu came from a wealthy family. Her father had encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>her to read and to study, and so she charmed

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<v Speaker 1>the emperor not just with her beauty but with her mind,

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them discussing books and ideas, with Wu

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<v Speaker 1>acting more as a secretary than as an object of pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Living at the palace, Wu befriended the emperor's son, the

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<v Speaker 1>boy who would go on to become Emperor Gaujong. She

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<v Speaker 1>was only a few years older than him, and she

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<v Speaker 1>often caught him looking at her when she went about

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<v Speaker 1>her daily chores. It was he one day, who interrupted

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<v Speaker 1>her while she was folding sheets to tell her that

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<v Speaker 1>the entire court was gathered outside to watch a new

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<v Speaker 1>stallion in the courtyard that refused is to be broken.

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<v Speaker 1>The horse was called Lion Stallion, and it seemed that

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<v Speaker 1>no one was up to the task of riding him.

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<v Speaker 1>The pair of them raced downstairs to watch the show.

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<v Speaker 1>The horse trainer yanked at the reins, while the horse

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<v Speaker 1>snorted and whipped its head back and forth in defiance.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, a new rider came forth, walking with a

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<v Speaker 1>swagger that hid any hint of fear. He had the

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<v Speaker 1>trainer step aside, and he took the horse's reins in

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<v Speaker 1>his own hand. In one fluid motion, he swung a

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<v Speaker 1>leg over the horse and pulled himself onto its back.

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<v Speaker 1>In another fluid motion, the horse bucked and flung the

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<v Speaker 1>man into the dirt. There was silence for a few seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>as the crowd considered whether anyone was going to try again,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether they should just disperse and go about their day.

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<v Speaker 1>The emperor looked around. I'll break the horse, said a

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<v Speaker 1>small voice from the crowd. It was Woo, standing next

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<v Speaker 1>to the prince. The Emperor looked over at the girl

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<v Speaker 1>and smiled, Will you now, Wu stepped forward and lowered

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<v Speaker 1>her shoulders. I will, I only need three tools, the

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<v Speaker 1>emperor laughed, and the rest of the crowd joined him.

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<v Speaker 1>And what tools might those be? When Wu spoke, her

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<v Speaker 1>voice never shook, her lips never lifted, and even the

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<v Speaker 1>hint of a smile. I will need an iron whip,

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<v Speaker 1>an iron hammer, and a dagger. I will whip the

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<v Speaker 1>horse with the iron whip. If it doesn't submit, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>hammer its head with the iron hammer. And if it

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<v Speaker 1>still refuses to submit, I'll cut its throat with a dagger.

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<v Speaker 1>That will break the horse. The emperor's eyes gleamed. It

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<v Speaker 1>was only after he started laughing that Wo Zatienne smiled too,

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit. She had caught the emperor's attention

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<v Speaker 1>yet again with her bravery, and he wouldn't forget her now.

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<v Speaker 1>But service to an emperor is a short term job prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>When Emperor Taizong died, all of his concubines, or rather

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<v Speaker 1>the concubines who hadn't borne him any children, were forced

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<v Speaker 1>to shave their heads and retreat to a temple to

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<v Speaker 1>live the rest of their lives as Buddhist nuns. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the greatest disrespect for a woman who had served

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<v Speaker 1>the emperor to be touched by any other man. Wu

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<v Speaker 1>had no choice, and she knew that life has rules

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<v Speaker 1>and paths for people to follow. Even witty, beautiful, charming

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<v Speaker 1>young girls who had once dazzled all of court with

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<v Speaker 1>a glistening moment of bravery must retire to a countryside

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<v Speaker 1>life and let other younger dazzling girls try their hands

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<v Speaker 1>at the game of court. Resent it, fight it, cry

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<v Speaker 1>about it. The future still happened. We don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>we cried when she shaved her beautiful, thick hair, when

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<v Speaker 1>she gave away her things when she arrived at the

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<v Speaker 1>modest Gante Temple where she was supposed to spend the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of her life. What we do know is that

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<v Speaker 1>even if she did cry, she never would have let

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<v Speaker 1>anyone see it. Even with her head shaved, she was

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<v Speaker 1>still beautiful, but no one noticed in the temple. The

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<v Speaker 1>wife of Emperor Gauzong had a problem. Well, she had

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<v Speaker 1>several problems. Her husband was sickly, prone to bouts of disease,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was young, only twenty one when his father,

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<v Speaker 1>Emperor Taizong died, and he Gaujong had been given the throne.

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<v Speaker 1>If his older brothers hadn't been disgraced, he wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>been made emperor at all. That was one of Lady

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<v Speaker 1>Wang's problems, her weak and ineffective husband, But by far

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<v Speaker 1>her biggest worry, the thing that kept her pacing the

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<v Speaker 1>palace walls and chewing at her fingernails was one of

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<v Speaker 1>her husband's concubines, Consort Jao. Consort Jaw was beautiful, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was fine. Concubines are supposed to be beautiful, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was also charming, and worst of all, she had

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<v Speaker 1>a son and two daughters with the Emperor. The Empress

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<v Speaker 1>Lady Wang didn't have any sons, and she was having

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<v Speaker 1>difficulty maintaining another pregnancy, and that became all the more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult because her husband was spending all of his time

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<v Speaker 1>with Joo. She had beguiled him and raptured him. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a man obsessed. The Empress knew that the Emperor

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<v Speaker 1>would have concubines, but why did he have to be

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<v Speaker 1>so obvious in choosing a favorite. His attention diverted to

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<v Speaker 1>a dozen concubines was no threat An individual woman was

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<v Speaker 1>one afternoon before heading off to spend the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the day lounging in Zoo's chambers. Emburg Gauzong mentioned to

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<v Speaker 1>his wife that he had been to the Buddhist temple

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<v Speaker 1>and he had recognized one of the nuns there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so funny, he remarked, even with her shaved head, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have recognized her anywhere. She was one of my

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<v Speaker 1>father's concubines, but I had such a crush on her.

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<v Speaker 1>I would follow her around like a puppy. He left,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lady Wang left to go to the Buddhist temple.

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<v Speaker 1>When she arrived, she asked for Woo. Zetienne, the nun,

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<v Speaker 1>now seven, came to the Empress with her eyes downturned.

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<v Speaker 1>The Empress informed Wu that the time had come for

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<v Speaker 1>her to return to court and that she should stop

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<v Speaker 1>shaving her head. Wou accepted, and so a former concubine

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<v Speaker 1>turned Buddhist nun came to court with hair slowly growing out,

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<v Speaker 1>under the watchful protection of the Empress. Lady Wang consort

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<v Speaker 1>Joo knew what the Empress was doing, but still her

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<v Speaker 1>legacy was secure. She had given the emperor's son, and

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<v Speaker 1>she still his favorite, even if he found a new

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<v Speaker 1>temporary plaything. Wu couldn't hold his attention for long. The

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy of Zhao's life began when she underestimated wu Za

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<v Speaker 1>Tien as for Empress Wang. She was making a calculated bargain,

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<v Speaker 1>a gamble one woman for another. But the problem with

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<v Speaker 1>gambling is people tend to lose. Before long, Ember Gaozong

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<v Speaker 1>was gleeful at the return of wu Za Tiene to court.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the manifestation of all of his childish fantasies.

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<v Speaker 1>Hers was the face he had seen behind his closing

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<v Speaker 1>eyes before he went to bed, back when he was

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<v Speaker 1>young and everything was still new. Without a moment's thought

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<v Speaker 1>to how it would look, he made her an official concubine,

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't look great. There was a reason concubines

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<v Speaker 1>were sent to temples after their emperor died, and the

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<v Speaker 1>new emperor bringing back an old concubine was even more

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<v Speaker 1>troublesome when the new emperor was the old emperor's son.

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<v Speaker 1>Whispering voices considered the situation incestuous, a son lying with

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<v Speaker 1>the same woman as his father, but Gauzong didn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the emperor now and he had wu Zetien,

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<v Speaker 1>and now as an adult woman, Wu better understood the

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<v Speaker 1>mechanisms of court and power. She understood that she was

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<v Speaker 1>a woman and that her access to power was restricted.

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<v Speaker 1>But she would not be flung back to a temple

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<v Speaker 1>disposed of as a dead man's property. Not again. And

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<v Speaker 1>even as Emperor Gauzong's concubine, she was still disposable. The

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<v Speaker 1>two sons should go on to bear him didn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>anything if his wife, Empress Wang decided that she had

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<v Speaker 1>enough social capital to get rid of her, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there was still Jhaou, still the emperor's favorite. Even for

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<v Speaker 1>all that though he spent less time with her, she

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<v Speaker 1>still had a particular hold on him. Away that he

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<v Speaker 1>responded to her quicker than he did with Wu Xiao

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<v Speaker 1>was a threat, and Wu hated threats. Wu was particularly

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable after giving birth to her third child, a daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>After delivery, Wu was confined to her chambers, and though

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<v Speaker 1>the Emperor visited her, giving her little gifts and kisses

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<v Speaker 1>on her head, he had fallen back into Chao's bed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the baby made the Empress hate Wou even more.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman that she had brought to the palace had

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<v Speaker 1>turned into a walking reminder of her own failings. With

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<v Speaker 1>each new baby that Wu gave the Emperor, Empress Wang

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<v Speaker 1>became all the more painfully aware of what she couldn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, Empress Wang came to visit Wu and saw

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<v Speaker 1>the new mother cooing over her baby in its cradle.

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<v Speaker 1>You must be tired, Empress Wang said, We agreed. Wang

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<v Speaker 1>held the baby, and the little girl giggled in her arms.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a walk, Wang said, relax, I can take care

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<v Speaker 1>of the baby for the night and put her to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Wu wanted to protest, but she wasn't sure on what ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Wang was the Empress after all, and truth be told,

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<v Speaker 1>she did desperately need a moment to herself, and so

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<v Speaker 1>she smiled, and Wang smiled back at her, and Wu

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<v Speaker 1>kissed her baby girl goodbye and left the palace to

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<v Speaker 1>walk the grounds where she could be alone with her thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>She spent the night with the Emperor, secretly pleased at

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that Joo was somewhere fuming and the Empress

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<v Speaker 1>was gazing at her baby with envy. The next morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Wu returned to her baby's room to find the little

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<v Speaker 1>girl sleeping peacefully in bed, so peaceful, in fact, that

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't stir when Wu approached or Win, Woo placed

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<v Speaker 1>a hand gently on the baby's back. The realization came

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<v Speaker 1>through Woo's body like a slow drip of acid, a

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<v Speaker 1>realization that curdled through her throat down into her belly

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<v Speaker 1>and made her head spin and mouth taste like copper.

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<v Speaker 1>She began to whale. Much later, when she had stopped wailing,

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<v Speaker 1>when she was once again alone, she thought about what

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. The Emperor's wife, Lady Wang, had murdered her baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Had placed her hand on the mouth of the infant

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<v Speaker 1>child and held it until the baby stopped moving. She

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<v Speaker 1>had been so jealous of Woo, how easily she had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten pregnant over and over again, and brus Wang wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>capable of doing the murder on her own. No, she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to kill a child, but she had been

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<v Speaker 1>goaded on by consort Joo. Joo was also jealous. She

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<v Speaker 1>knew that the emperor had been spending more time with

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<v Speaker 1>Wu and wanted to get back at her. She was

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<v Speaker 1>so desperate to become the favorite again that she was

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<v Speaker 1>willing to join Lady Wang and help her kill a child.

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<v Speaker 1>At least that's the story Woo z Etienne told the

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<v Speaker 1>Emperor Lady Wang had no alibi. She had been the

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<v Speaker 1>last one to hold the baby, and she had been

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<v Speaker 1>the one to put her to bed, And so, spurned

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<v Speaker 1>on by Woo z Etienne's passion and rage, the Empress

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<v Speaker 1>and the emperor's one time favorite consort were imprisoned. Wooz Etienne,

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<v Speaker 1>victim of tragedy, became the Emperor's new wife, his empress

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<v Speaker 1>one dead child for the throne of China, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the throne. Gazong was so sickly. It was Wu

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<v Speaker 1>who truly ruled. She would never admit it out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>only to herself in quiet moments when her heart beat

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<v Speaker 1>slowed and she was alone. But it had been worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>The former Empress Wang and Zoo, once despised enemies, were

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<v Speaker 1>locked together in a tiny cell, a room with no

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<v Speaker 1>windows and just a single narrow slot for food to

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<v Speaker 1>be shoved through once a day. Six days after their imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 1>the Emperor came to visit them through the wall. They

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<v Speaker 1>threw themselves upon his mercy. Oh beloved husband, Wayne cried,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever had love for me, please ease this imprisonment.

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<v Speaker 1>Please just let us see sunlight. The Emperor had always

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<v Speaker 1>been easily swayed, and it broke his heart to know

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<v Speaker 1>that two women he had loved were so despondent, even

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<v Speaker 1>if they had murdered his daughter. He came to his

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<v Speaker 1>new empress, woo Ze ten and asked her if they

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<v Speaker 1>might grant at least small mercies so the women she

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<v Speaker 1>had posted. Wu saw what her feeble husband couldn't. How

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<v Speaker 1>easily mercy became forgiveness became love again, became anger towards

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<v Speaker 1>her wou for locking them up in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>She had sacrificed so much to reach where she was,

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<v Speaker 1>She had lost a daughter for it, and so she

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<v Speaker 1>insisted to her husband that the women be killed. He acquiesced.

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<v Speaker 1>According to rumors and brass, wos A Tienne had their

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<v Speaker 1>hands lopped off at the rest and their feet cut

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<v Speaker 1>off at the ankles, and both women tossed into vats

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<v Speaker 1>of wine where they would drown. Slowly. Let those bitches

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<v Speaker 1>get drunk to their bones, they say. Woza Tienne remarked,

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<v Speaker 1>colorful as it is. It isn't true wa Tienne just

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<v Speaker 1>had her rivals hanged, but even in death they tormented her.

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<v Speaker 1>They visited her every night, silently, staring sentinels and judgment,

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<v Speaker 1>with blood dripping like tears from their eyes. It became

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<v Speaker 1>so miserable, so tortuous, that Woo had the entire court

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<v Speaker 1>moved to a different palace miles away, where she thought

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<v Speaker 1>the ghosts of her past wouldn't be able to find her.

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<v Speaker 1>Woo is buried beneath a massive stone slab that looks

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<v Speaker 1>all the more massive because there's nothing written on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's completely blank. The Tang dynasty emperors were meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be buried under blank tablets so that later the full

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<v Speaker 1>scope of their accomplishments could be written down. No one

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about what Woo had achieved during her reign, nor

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<v Speaker 1>would she had achieved during the proxy reign when she

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<v Speaker 1>ruled behind her husband, or when she had ruled behind

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<v Speaker 1>her son, and then when she overthrew her son and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually became emperor in her own right. There were many

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<v Speaker 1>accomplishments she made. Buddhism the official state religion, stabilized power,

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<v Speaker 1>we did out corruption, allowed commoners to hold political positions

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<v Speaker 1>that had previously been restricted to them. But she was

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<v Speaker 1>also brutal, executing nobles who threatened her powers, letting gossip

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<v Speaker 1>in word of mouth, serve as death sentence to people

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<v Speaker 1>around her in the government. The story of her initial

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<v Speaker 1>rise to power the death of her infant child became

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<v Speaker 1>a story of her cold bloodedness. They say that Wou

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<v Speaker 1>had been the one to suffocate her daughter herself, that

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<v Speaker 1>she saw the opportunity to frame and dispatch her rivals,

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<v Speaker 1>and she took it. There's no way to know for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>or to know if maybe the infant had just died

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<v Speaker 1>in her sleep. Unfortunately, unlike Noble Blood episodes that focus

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<v Speaker 1>on more recent royal figures, there are very few primary

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<v Speaker 1>sources about the life of wou x Etienne in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh century. Writings about her tend to be either political

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<v Speaker 1>propaganda written to bolster her reputation or slander's accusations of

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<v Speaker 1>out and out villainy from those who resented the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of power held by a woman. Even the story of

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<v Speaker 1>the earthquake from her coronation is unconfirmed. Even mountains can't

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<v Speaker 1>be set in stone when it comes to woo z Etienne.

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<v Speaker 1>I have tried to find a human story in the

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<v Speaker 1>facts I could find, and I told a version of

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<v Speaker 1>her story that makes sense to me. But in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't promise at all entirely true, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the genuine version of the truth is. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't carve her legacy on her funeral slab because they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't figure out what it was. It was a decision

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<v Speaker 1>of scorn and fusion, but a decision that's still made

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<v Speaker 1>about women today. When we can't fully understand a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>we choose instead to leave her blank. Noble Blood is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of I Heart Radio and Aaron Mankey. The

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<v Speaker 1>show is written and hosted by Dana Schwartz and produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Aaron Mankey, Matt Frederick, Alex Williams, and Trevor Young.

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