WEBVTT - #397 Packers Unscripted: Curtain call from the combine 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:20.840 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.640 I and Mike Spofford joined alongside my trusted colleague West Hodko. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.320 It's we are coming to you one final time from 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.120 the NFL scouting Combine in downtown Indianapolis before we hit 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.720 the road to come back to our abodes in Green Bay. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.160 And West We've been here. It's been a long week. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.120 It's been a busy week. It's been a fun week. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.160 I think if there's one major takeaway from what we've 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.239 seen throughout this entire process and how things are shaping up, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.080 it's that when you look at the top of this 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.840 draft and the Packers are sitting at the number twelve pick, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.080 you have players on the defensive front, a group that 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.360 Brian Guducunt calls the deep best he's ever seen in 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.520 a long time in the drafts, that he has worked, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.600 an offensive line group that is stronger than maybe was 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.600 perceived earlier on. You throw in the fact that a 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.360 tight end from Iowa t J. Hockenson being talked about 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.800 as a possible top ten pick, and then all the 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.039 mystery surrounding who's going to draft Kyler Murray, the quarterback 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.760 out of Oklahoma. It really looks like with the Packers 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.080 sitting at twelve, and I'm not telling Brian Goudaquin's what 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.760 to do here, but with the Packers sitting at twelve, 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:36.240 there's potentially a really, really good player who could be 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.840 there for the taking for Green Bay at number twelve, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.160 they don't necessarily have to move around to find a 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.040 potential impact star here. Yeah, Mike, you mentioned it's been 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.160 a long week, and it certainly has been that. But 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.120 the one thing that stands out to me as we 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.080 sit here now is is this thing draws to a 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.400 close to the fact that in all the years I've 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.040 covered this now, which I believe is my six or 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.200 seven combine, I don't know if I can recall a 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.200 year in which so many guys have sort of distinguished themselves, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.600 you know that their forty times, with their bench press, 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.480 with their vertical there just seems like there's been quite 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.040 a few that have put their names out there. You 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.200 mentioned Hockinson from Iowa, Well then you had no offense 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.760 come right back and was like, hey, hold my draft projection, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.720 I'm gonna kind of outshine some some people here as well. Yeah, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.000 he beat Hockinson by two tenths of a second in 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.360 the forty yard dash, and Hockinson's four seven one for 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.800 a tight end was nothing to sneeze at, not at all, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.640 especially a guy that is projected a sort of that 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.959 all around in line tight end. Then he had dk 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.200 Metcalf come through with the four three three forty for 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.919 a guy that's over two pounds was the fastest forty 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.079 time since two thousand three. So the thing I'm the 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.760 point I'm trying to make with all this is that 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.240 Brian Goodkin's last year, I remember him saying when there 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.680 was all these quarterbacks, they were talking about his potential 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.799 top ten picks and there ended up being four of them. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.000 How that bode well for the Packers and where they 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.440 wanted to pick. And then what happens on draft night. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.600 They get to number fourteen, There's a number of different 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.880 guys on the board at that spot, and he decides 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.079 to trade back and get an extra first round pick 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.480 while only moving back four spots to probably get the 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.639 same guy they were looking at in Gire Alexander's When 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.000 you look at number twelve this year, there are a 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.760 number of blue shippers, as you said, and it is 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.160 destined to be a fact that at least a few 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.200 of them are going to be there. The question is 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.959 going to be, though, where do you take them? Because 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.720 there are so many different guys at so many different 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.880 positions that could help the Packers. Yeah, and I think 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.120 that is the question. When you look at the guys 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.480 at the top of this draft on the defensive side 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.480 of the ball, you have your Nick Bosa, your Josh Allen, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.040 your Quinn and Williams. Those guys aren't going to be 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.200 there at number twelve, but those being your in your 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.240 top five, top six, six, top seven picks, however that 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.840 shakes out, and then you throw in a quarterback or 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.960 maybe two that get taken up there. It's just gonna 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.000 keep pushing players down there. Now. The other thing that 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.680 works into the Packers advantages that when you look at 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.680 where they are at edge rusher, the need that there 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.800 is on the offensive line, and the need that there 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:06.040 is at tight end, the it doesn't matter necessarily what 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.880 position that player is going to play, because I think 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.920 the Packers are going to have their pick of some 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.640 real top quality guys at a key position of need 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.480 as they head into Yeah. Absolutely, and then if there's 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.480 enough of them, maybe you move back again, who knows 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.760 get to two thousand, twenty draft pick. But the biggest 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.040 thing that that was my takeaway from all this so far, 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.960 and it was kind of I did a story looking 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.560 at some of those pass rushers, the guys that could 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.440 be available so many years, might cael these last few years. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.400 It seems like I remember when Ryan Ramcheck you remember 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.280 him from Wisconsin went at the podium offensive and they 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.760 were talking and I think you know at Lanta ended 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.720 up taking them, but they were that that year. They're like, hey, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.400 this might be the only New Orleans part of it. Yeah, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.880 they ended up taking them, and people were saying, hey, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.279 this might be the only offensive lineman worth taking in 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.440 the first round that year. And how many years, like 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.160 last year we were we had Marcus Davenport here and 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.920 people were saying, now this this might be the guy 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.400 that fits for the packers, but maybe it's a stretch 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.520 this year it really isn't the k And and and you 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.400 look at some of these guys now in their forty times, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.840 Brian Burns, who a lot of the people that I 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.080 was looking at, we're saying, hey, this guy could end 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.400 up being an end of the first round type guy. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.320 Maybe into the second Well, he runs a four or 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.640 five six mantes sweat before we came down here runs 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.080 a four four two. These are guys that two or 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.560 fifty five, two and sixty pounds running ridiculous times in 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.839 the forty. It's not everything, but as Larry was mccarroen 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.839 was talking about, if you're able to disengage the ability 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.200 to close to the quarterback and utilize your advantages there, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:32.799 it's going to give the Packers a lot to consider, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.839 specifically a pass rusher. And then, as you mentioned with 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.720 some of those tight ends as well, it's been a 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.600 long time since the Packers took a tight end in 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.000 the first round, but there's a couple at either twelve 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.520 or thirty them might make them think about it. Yeah, Well, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.800 and those two guys, we've mentioned them already, Iowa's t J. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.400 Hockenson and Noah Fanse, two tight ends from the same school. Now, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.520 it's pretty rare that two tight ends would go in 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.559 the first round of the draft. There are actually three 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.000 that were drafted in the first round just a couple 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:00.880 of years ago. But that's the only time you've had 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.080 multiple first round tight ends in uh, you know, really 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.080 this century. I believe it's never happened before that you've 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.680 had two first round tight ends from the same school, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.440 but it certainly looks like that could be the case 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.200 in this draft with Hockinson and Fan. Now, I don't 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.239 want to oversimplify things too much, but everything you've read 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:24.160 is that Hockinson is the immediate plug and play, instant 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.919 starter in the NFL, and that's why he's being talked 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.120 about as a potential top ten pick in this draft. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.400 Because of the athleticism and as we mentioned the forty 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.160 time a four five one from Noah Fan as opposed 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.000 to the four seven one from Hockinson, the long term 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.320 upside so to speak of Fan is also is very 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.000 attractive as well. Not what I wonder about is with 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.280 the four five one from strictly the Packers situation, if 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.520 you were hoping that Noah Fan maybe was going to 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.480 fall all the way to number thirty at the bottom 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.839 of the first round, that might not happen anymore, not 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.400 not with not with the testing numbers that he's put 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.080 up here in India. Yea. And you look at that 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.200 list of guys that have run in the four fives 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.640 for tight ends over the years, those guys didn't last 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.200 very long. Now, they weren't all just immediate, you know, 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.600 go to a team and dominate type players. I think 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.360 even a guy like Jared Cook, who was one of them, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.360 took time for him to get immersed in the NFL game. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.080 And that's one of the things I think that makes 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.680 Hockinson such an intriguing prospect because it is really difficult. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.640 He saw with Evan Ingram, but for the most part, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.440 it's tough for a rookie to come in the NFL 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.720 and just dominate and just be a guy that's gonna 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.560 have six hundred yards and ten touchdown catches. It just 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.560 doesn't happen at that position and be the reliable blocker 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.480 that a coach wants in the running game, which is 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.240 which is what they're talking about with these two Iowa prospects, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.880 and and Alabama's IRV Smith is probably the three of 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.840 those top three types. And his dad played in the 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.960 league at that position, was a former first round pick 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.320 out a Notre Dame. And he was talking about that 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.200 as well, and he mentioned a funny little story about 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.360 how some of those same scouts that scouted his dad 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.800 were talking to him now in Indianapolis twenties six years later. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.720 So those those two positions to me are the most intriguing. Certainly, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.440 there's others that the packers could consider. Um, you know, 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.120 do you look at baby adding another receiver? You know, 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.120 do you look at potentially finding another offensive lineman that 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.320 could help you this draft, if for nothing no other reason, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.720 I think is really going to be good for depth 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.800 in being able to maximize the value of those pis. Yeah. 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.760 The interesting thing too, we in some of our other videos, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:29.000 Larry McCarron talked about that Iowa pipeline to to Green 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.240 Bay and when you look at it going all the 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.920 way back to Aaron Campman in the early two thousand's 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.240 and then you have you've drafted Brian Blaga, Mike Daniels, 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.240 Micah Hide, Josh Jackson last year. Um, there's never been 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.120 a character issue any of those kinds of things. And 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.280 when you look at these two tight ends out of Iowa, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.480 they pride themselves right now on on the fact that 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.760 they are the dual tight end that NFL teams are 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.640 looking for. They can they can split out wide, run 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.280 the routes and catch passes. They can also line up 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.040 in line and blow can be a big part of 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.040 the running game, and that's why they're being talked about 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.440 as highly as they are. Yeah, and the Packers have 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.240 kind of played around with those positions the last few years. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.280 Certainly look at Jared Cook. I think in terms of 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.600 what Mike McCarthy's offense was, he's the one that has 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.720 fit the best, maybe even arguably better than when jaw 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.880 Michael Finley was in his prime, just based on what 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.160 he could do on the perimeter but also come inside 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.480 and make an impact as an inline guy. Uh Mark, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.520 you know, Martellis Bennett really didn't work as an inline guy. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.120 They're just you know, there was a drops issue there 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.280 and the blocking was good, but he just didn't seem 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.599 like he fit the offense. And then last year, I 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.760 think Jimmy Graham showed some really significant signs of being 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.360 a playmaker in this offense, but between the knee injury 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.000 he suffered in training camp and then also breaking the 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.439 thumb in Seattle held him back. Now that the thing 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:49.000 that I like about this with Brian Goodkusen and Matt 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.680 Lafore both sounding like they're planning to have Jimmy Graham 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.960 in this offense is if you do go with the 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.600 tight end, whether or not it is the first round 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.960 or not. If you do finally draft one, you have 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.280 time to be able to mold that individual well, to 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.240 have them work with Jimmy Graham. And I keep going 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.160 back to what Robert Tonyan said last year about how 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.880 valuable it was to be in the room with him 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.120 and how much that helped him. I mean, you take 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.720 a legit tight end prospect as a rookie and allowed 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.160 them to work in a room with Jimmy Graham, I 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.000 think only good things are going to happen. Yeah, And 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.800 as you mentioned before too, the Packers not being talked 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.920 about as much as in the wide receiver of the 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.040 running back market, but certainly going into this draft with 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.960 ten picks, six picks in the first four rounds, the 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.960 opportunity is going to be there to to find more 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.040 of those, uh, those skill position players that that maybe 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.440 Matt Lafleur has his eye on in terms of certain 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.800 skill sets, certain things that he wants to add to 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.320 the mix on the offensive side of the ball that 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.480 maybe aren't there just yet. And the only thing that 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.920 really intrigues me to about this is, you know, Ted Thompson, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.320 as much as people want to you know, make about 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.160 you know him kind of. They think he sat on 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.000 his hands when it came to trades and things like that. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.600 He was a very active trader, but you never could 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.880 really predict it. Yeah, he just always seemed to do 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.080 it when you least expected it, particularly on draft day. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.720 Brian Goodacuinz learned from that, and I think you're seeing 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.839 a blend of his style with how he wants to 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.559 run this thing. He got ten draft picks this year, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.400 which is pretty impressive concerning there won't be any compensatory 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.280 this year for the first time since what two thousand nine, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.480 Three extra picks all from trades, all from trades, so 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.640 to to be able to you know, take those now. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.800 I mean basically they cashed in the haha Clinton Dick's 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.640 maneuver early and they end up getting a fourth rounder 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.000 out of it. I just think there's so many there's 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.480 so much versatility that good Kuntz is gonna be able 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.480 to draw upon that It gives you a lot of 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.920 excitement going into this thing. Do you move up in 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.200 the first round? Do you move back and get more capital? 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.400 And I think those are the type of moves in 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.319 the long run that are going to make this team better. Well, 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.920 this is the This is an interesting point because when 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.520 I wrote a story of earlier in the week on 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.920 where the Packers are sitting in the draft, I've talked 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.000 a lot about the three picks in the top forty 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.400 four and how neither Ron Wolf nor Ted Thompson ever 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.000 took three players in the top forty four of a draft. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.280 But Ted Thompson did have the opportunity to do that 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.520 in two thousand six. He actually had three picks in 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.959 the top thirty seven, the extra pick coming from the 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.080 Javon Walker trade. But what did Ted Thompson do. He 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.679 ended up taking both of those high second round picks 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.800 in the thirties, trading back to accumulate more picks. But 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.400 then in that second round, after he had already taken 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.360 a j Hawk in the first round, he got Darren 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.760 College and Greg Jennings. Well look at those top three guys, Hawk, 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.520 College and Jennings, all starters, all key players on a 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.160 Super Bowl championship team. A handful of years later, when 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.400 you look at Ted Thompson come into Green Bay in 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.360 two thousand five, Mike McCarthy following him from two thousand six, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.480 there are definite signs of a five year plan that 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.679 took that team from rebuilding mode, sped that up, got 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.280 them into an NFC Championship game. Two years after, they 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.559 won four games in three years after that NFC Championship 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.080 game found themselves in a Super Bowl. Brian Goodkins, I 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.319 think in Matt Lafore talked about this in the luncheon 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.960 that we had. They have a quarterback much like the 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.040 Packers did back in two thousand five and two thousand 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.080 six with Brett Farve. They have receivers, they have an 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.560 left tackle much like they had with Chad I think 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.439 when so many people ask about you know, we get 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.200 this all the time and insider in box, you know, 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.000 how soon can we expect the Packers to compete? They 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.679 are one free agent class, They are one solid draft 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.240 class away from being right back in this thing. And 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.719 I think when you look at the grand scheme of things, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.320 the way this league is built and developed, that's one 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.840 of the biggest takeaways I took from Ted Thompson is 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.600 that it doesn't take that long to renovate a program. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.079 And that's the situation that Brian good Coins finds himself 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.800 in right now. And I think the model that we 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.280 as we've talked about before, is the New Orleans Saints. 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.720 They had three consecutive seven and nine seasons with a 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.400 Hall of Fame quarterback and Drew Brees, but they had 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.640 a home run draft that brought them Marshawn Lattimore, that 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.640 brought them Alvin Kamara, and then here. The last two years, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.560 the New Orleans Saints have been right on the brink 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.760 of the Super Bowl and as I would argue they 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.400 should have ended any would they should have been in 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.560 the super Bowl this past season. But I want to 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.240 turn back to the defensive side of the ball here 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.040 for the Packers as we go into this draft. You 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.480 wrote a story on our website about the edge rushers, 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.800 and it's a deep group of edge rushers here. I 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.800 mentioned earlier the pass rushers like Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.760 Quentin Williams. On the defensive line, they won't be there 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.920 when the when the Packers are on the clock. At twelve. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.320 Other defensive front players, big time guys, Ed Oliver from Houston, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.200 Rashan Gary from Michigan, another big guy who ran a 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.240 blazing for six times by the way, un pounds that's 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.160 just ridiculous. So when you look at you look at 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.960 maybe who might be there at number twelve that the 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.560 packers could get to rush the passer. You wrote about 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.040 a few options Jackai pole Light, I want to make 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.960 sure I said it correctly from Florida, Montes Sweat from 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.640 Mississippi State, although now who knows if he's actually going 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.400 to potentially be there at twelve. Cleveland Farrell from Clemson 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.680 is an option. And you mentioned Brian Burns from Florida State, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.920 who maybe you'd be thinking about more at the number 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.800 thirty pick at the end of the first round, but 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.080 a end his stock seems to be rising as well. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.880 But a lot of options at edge rusher here that 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.400 the packers are certainly looking at. Yeah, exactly. And it's 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.360 funny too because, as you mentioned, Burns was a guy 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:10.680 that was looking at it. He was going to be 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.400 the end of the first round. Well, he shows up 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.320 the combine, he puts on twenty one pounds and he 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.800 runs a four or five six. I mean, that's uh, 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.120 that's quite the change in terms of you know, a 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.120 couple of months stretch. It's going to be an intriguing 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.280 class here because here the fact of the matter is 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.280 Clay Matthews is an unrestricted free agent. Packers have said 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.200 only positive things about him, but you don't know how 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.600 this free agent process is going to go. There's questions 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.600 out there about Nick Perry. The reality is beyond that, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.520 you have Kyler Facrol, who had a great ten sacks season, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.200 looks like he's going to be a good part of 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.840 this rotation for years to come. And then Reggie Gilbert. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.040 I think that it's a position that you could use 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.600 help at. I think there's a guy that you could 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.880 add into that rotation and find a way to make 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.680 an impact because it reminds me a lot of two 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.680 thousand nine. Yes, you had Aaron Kampman. He was making 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.040 a change in terms of the defense, but they were 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.160 able to find that pass rusher for the future and 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.080 it changed the course of the Packers defense and to 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.240 sleeve the franchise for the next few seasons. And in 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.840 getting Clay Matthews, I think they're in a very similar 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.040 spot right now. And if they want to go that route, Michael, 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.640 there are probably a dozen guys, whether it's defensive line, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.000 outside linebackers, whatever you want to call them, there are 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.040 a dozen guys from that defensive front they're gonna go 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.320 in the first round, and as we said, whether it's 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.800 at twelve or thirty, they're gonna have some interesting decisions 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.000 to make. Yeah, no question about it. Well, with that, 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.040 we're going to call it a wrap on this edition 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.320 of Packers Unscripted and for our on location work here 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.280 at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Thanks so much 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.640 for joining us and for tuning in for Wes. I'm Mike. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.840 We'll see you next time.