1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,360 Speaker 1: Hi there. 2 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm Steve Fishman with Orbit Media and we're here today 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: with Dax Devlyn Ross. Today we're dropping the first episode 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: of Dax's new true crime series, Crime Wolf. But before 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: we get to that, some of you will remember Dax. 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: He's the co founder a co founder of Orbit Media, 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: also author, lawyer, journalist, and recently I hear a writer 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: of science fiction. Dax and I worked together co hosting 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: The Burden, which was Orbit's first splash in the true 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: crime universe. I like to think I discovered Dax for podcasts. 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on the show, Steve may or 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: may not be familiar with me from the work I've 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: done with the one and only toast of the Town himself, 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: Steve Fishman. So it's great to be here. 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: So the band is back together. Unbelievable, right, you know, 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. It's what should happens, you know, it's 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: how it should be. A few interesting tidbits about Dax 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: before we get to the episode. All right, So see 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: now this is this is Dax. He's always traveling. It's 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: like a mysterious man. I can't keep up with him. 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what. 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: I really can't tell you where I was this week. 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: This was like I was in like a room. I 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: will tell you I was at a I was in 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: a convening where there was like security all over the floor. 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: Like it was secure. It was a secure like you 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: couldn't tell. You had to like give your badges when 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: you got there, take them there to give, take your back, 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: and you couldn't leave with your badge. 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: See, Dax is making it sound like it's a one off, 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: but this is how dactually. It's his life, and he 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: won't tell you what he does. You know, he says like, uh, well, 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: I just worked for the department, so I got no idea. 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure he's out righting wrongs. 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: But trying to man, that's it. You know, it's a 36 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: lot of wrongs to right in this world right now. 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: And you know, as I I do like to point out, 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: Dax is also on the pathway to perfection. You know, 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: he's almost erased sleep as one need, pops out of 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: bed at you know, like a quarter past midnight and 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: does one hundred finger tip push ups. And then of 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: course he's lucky he has to live in chef who 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: makes him a calorie free breakfast. 44 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 3: Well that would be great, right, Calari free. Right, that's 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: called black coffee from a cure. That's with that. 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: So Dax and I were last partners on our our 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: flagship podcast, The Burden, which took I think six eight 48 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: months to make. 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: That's all. 50 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: That's all took about four years to make, and it 51 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: actually was really good, especially the showdown in the final episode. 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: I still wake up thinking about it. Although people have 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 3: given me flak over the you know a cloud couple 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 3: of years, right, everybody has their opinions about how that 55 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 3: should have gone down. 56 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: Jax went on to host solo host a pretty brilliant 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: podcast called Crying Wolf. I will say I think has 58 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: gotten not enough attention. It's a kind of brilliant role 59 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: out of a situation that we're sadly familiar with, the 60 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: wrongful conviction. But in this in this instance, there's this 61 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: amazing friendship at the center of it. Is that right that? 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a story about two friends who meet 63 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: in prison, and they meet and the meeting is fortuitous 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 3: and so far as it's you know, somewhat short lived. 65 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: They only are in actual cellmates for less than a year, 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: but becoming self mates for less than a year. One guy, 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: Robert is, you know, this young Jewish guy who's in 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: prison because he has a drug problem. And he meets 69 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: this character who has been accused of and convicted of murder, 70 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: heinous murder, named Lee Harris, who's convinced and has never 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: ever swayed from the you know, the expression of his 72 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: of his innocence, and Robert listens, and when Robert gets out, 73 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: he says, I'm gonna, I'm gonna look into this, and 74 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: looking into this becomes the next twenty years of his life. 75 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: And he finds the witness that was used against Lee, 76 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: that was basically the one who sealed the deal. He 77 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: finds this guy and he talks to this guy, and 78 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: he finds out that this guy was a government you know, snitch, 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: and he discovers that that Illinois, the Cook County knew it. 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: They knew he was a snitch, and that they never 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: revealed that to the to the jury, to the court. 82 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: And so unfortunately Lee dies shortly after he gets out. 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: He gets out in twenty twenty three. But what's left 84 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: behind is like twenty years of tape because they've recorded 85 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: the phone calls for years, and that becomes like the 86 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: spine is that you hear this relationship between these two 87 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: guys on the phone over the years. 88 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: Today we're dropping the first episode of the series to 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: listen to the rest Crying Wolf's Look for Crying Wolf 90 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts, and if you don't like 91 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: the many ads they stuff into every episode, subscribe to 92 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 2: True Crime Clubhouse on Apple Podcasts and listen at free Enjoy. 93 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: It's two thousand and one fifty miles southwest of Chicago, 94 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: Joliet Penitentiary, ring a bell it should It's the prison 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 3: from the opening scene of Blues Brothers. Prisoner number n 96 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: eight one seven one seven. Lee Harris is tense. He's 97 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: waiting on a new selly. Lee's had his share over 98 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: the past decade, and it's always a crapshoot. A space 99 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: seven feet by four feet with a bunk bed and 100 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: an open toilet, intimately shared with another convict. There's a 101 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: few ways this could go, as far as Lee's concerned, 102 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: none good. You can be sure Lee did not expect 103 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: someone like Robert Chatler to walk in on the outside. 104 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: These men would have never cross paths. Lee, a black 105 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: man and career scammer raised in Chicago's most notorious projects, 106 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: now pushing fifty. Robert, a white Jewish kid from the 107 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: suburbs half his age, an odd ball who sought solace 108 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: rescuing insects and animals. How was this gonna work? In 109 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: short order, Robert would drive Lee to his wits end. 110 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: He chained smoked from sun up to sundown, all while 111 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: playing radio dub Beetles cassettes on repeat. Lee hated smoking, 112 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 3: and let's just say the Beatles weren't exactly his flavor. 113 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: But all that would fade away because on that day, 114 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: Lee Harris was about to meet his future best friend, 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: brother from another and the key to his freedom from 116 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: iHeart Podcasts. I'm Dax Steblin Ross and this is crying wolf. 117 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: White victim, female, pretty wealthy black defendant. 118 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: I mean, as soon as I saw it, I'm like, 119 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 4: fuck me, this is gonna be bad. 120 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: He says the police from his friends, and then that's it. 121 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 5: They turn on it. 122 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: I get ninety years for killing somebody I have never seen. 123 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 6: They got the wrong That Lee's mouth was Lee's downfall. 124 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 7: Along with dirty colls. 125 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: There's a list of police officers who deserve a special 126 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: place in health. As I walked down the hostel, said 127 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: my home address. 128 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 6: Upline came from the world of how the Techniques? 129 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 5: Why didn't be your restaurant of grant? Why? How do 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 5: you see? 131 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 7: Don't you fear? 132 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: Guys? 133 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 7: I realized that I was from. 134 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 6: The beginning, fell and killed Dana Filer, and that person's 135 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 6: still out here. 136 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: Episode one, The Right Guy. It's the late eighties. Paula 137 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: Abdul and Public Enemy are in heavy rotation on MTV. 138 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan has yet to win a title. Some think 139 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: he never will. Oprah is still on our way to 140 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: becoming an afternoon icon. Lee Harris is thirty something living 141 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: in Chicago's Near North Side. He's got a little boy 142 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: we can't wait to teach the intricacies of softball. His 143 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: own prospects aren't so bright. By his own admission, he's 144 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: a petty crook running out of hustles. The one thing 145 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: Lee does have going for him, besides his son, the 146 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 3: thing that sets him apart is his charm. He could 147 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: and would talk to anyone. 148 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 5: I remember him walking up to us. You'd see your 149 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 5: crew and it'd say, hey, how you doing. Oh hey, 150 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 5: mister Jordan, what you guys doing here? 151 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: That's Bob Jordan. And if you're from Chicago, you might 152 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: recognize his commanding voice. Bob's a news veteran with a 153 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: career spanning six decades. Back in the eighties, he was 154 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: a general assignment reporter for the TV station WG in Chicago. 155 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: Every day he'd gather his film crew and had to 156 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,479 Speaker 3: cover the city's biggest story of the day. 157 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 5: Lee was not afraid to step out and be seen, 158 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 5: be recognized, be known. If we're out doing a story, 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: we'd want to find someone whom we could interview and say, 160 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 5: you know, what's the problem of the day. People are 161 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: many times afraid of a camera crew, but Lee wasn't. 162 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: Living in the projects meant the media was usually there 163 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 3: for one of two reasons, drugs or violence, and often 164 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: both meant they were looking for a good SoundBite. For 165 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: some residents, the site of reporters prompted a bline in 166 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: the opposite direction. Being so amenable made Lee stand out. 167 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: He stood out for other reasons too. 168 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: I've been trying to think of words to describe him. 169 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 5: Impetuous is kind of a word, because he was outside 170 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 5: the norm. He was probably smarter than the average kid 171 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 5: he ran around with because he knew how to work 172 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 5: the system, and if I do this and do that, 173 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 5: I can gain the system. I might be able to 174 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 5: use it to my advantage. But he was unpolished. He 175 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 5: was vulnerable to his own recklessness. 176 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: The same unabashed approach Lee took with journalists like Bob 177 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: Jordan extended to local beat coops too. 178 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: He was very affable, he was very friendly, He was 179 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: very you know, he respected as we were the police, 180 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: but we respected, you know, we had different lifestyles. 181 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: This is Harry Siwak and her partner Joseph Roberts Signoretti, 182 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: but he also goes by Bob. Back in the day, 183 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: Lee was a recurring character on their beat. 184 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 6: He's a scam artist. There's an alley off of Rush Street. 185 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 6: They call it Drug Alley Lee. He would sell fake drugs, 186 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 6: burd bags. 187 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: You know, the number dried herbs instead of weed. A 188 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: regano meant whatever. A hustler can entice some thrill seeking 189 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: inner city tourists with. 190 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 6: And all the suburbanites would go across and walk, you know, 191 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 6: so a black guy coming up and telling, you know, saying, hey, 192 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 6: do you want anything. 193 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: And more often than not they'd fall for it. But 194 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: once a sale was made, real drugs are not. Bob 195 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 3: would have to step in. 196 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 6: The Sorry, Lee, you're gonna have to go to jail 197 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 6: or or sometimes they just shag them out of there 198 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 6: and you tell them get out of here because you 199 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 6: don't want to hassle with them, and bray and stuck 200 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 6: while he did, don't want to touch them, you know. 201 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: So it was a any kind of dance back then 202 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: between Lee and the police. Sometimes after a saale, Lee 203 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: would hang around to get arrested on purpose. A trip 204 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: to the precinct with his cop piles could be more 205 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: pleasant than the wrath of a returning customer. 206 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: But if he didn't do what he did, then we 207 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't do what we did right. 208 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 6: He was job security. 209 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: This love hate triangle between locals, the press, and the 210 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: police could have typified daily life in any project. But 211 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: Lee didn't live in just any project. He lived in 212 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: one of the most infamous of them all, Cabrini Green. 213 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: You've likely heard of Cabrini even if you couldn't point 214 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: to it on a map. I certainly couldn't. It's where 215 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: the Colthood horror candy Man was set. It's had countless 216 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: mentions in Chicago rap and it was the backdrop for 217 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: the classic black sitcom Good Times from the seventies. The 218 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: title it was ironic in case you're wondering. When the 219 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: first Cabrini rowhouses and towers went up in the nineteen 220 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: forties and fifties, they represented optimism, the potential of public 221 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: housing to provide quality homes for all. It was certainly 222 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: a step up from the slum land it replaced Little 223 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: Hell the locals used to call it, who at the 224 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 3: time were a mix of Irish, Swedish and Italian immigrants. 225 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: But by the nineteen eighties, when Lee lived there, things 226 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: had changed a lot. The projects had become a new 227 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: kind of poverty, poverty of gangs, drugs, and violence, and 228 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: Cabrini's buildings were now exclusively housing black residents. 229 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: Most of the police officers didn't want, even want nothing 230 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: to do with Kabrini. 231 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: It was wild. 232 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: It was a different world. 233 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: Crack cocaine was rife, controlled and fought over by the 234 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: Mickey Cobras or the gangster disciples, some of Cabrini's most 235 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: notorious gangs. Oddly enough, none of that phased Bob or Mary. 236 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: We got along with all the gangs, the ones that 237 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: hated and shot at each other. We were like their 238 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: aunties or something. So it was an unusual relationship we 239 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: had and Lee was one of those people. 240 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: To be clear, Lee was not in a gang, a 241 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: gangbanger as they used to call it. What's interesting, though, 242 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: is that he somehow managed to get along with them all. 243 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: He wasn't afraid of being seen. He also knew how 244 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: to disappear into the crowd, make himself invisible or if 245 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: nothing else, non threatening. More than anything, Lee was a survivor, 246 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: which meant being both nothing in particular and a bit 247 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: of everything. This showed up in his various occupations. Being 248 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: that Kabrini was right next door to some of Chicago's 249 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: most affluent neighborhoods, Lee would sometimes dabble in more legitimate pursuits, 250 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 3: like window cleaning for the luxury high rises, and when 251 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: window washing and burn bags didn't cut it, there was 252 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: always a quick buck to be made sharing information with 253 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: the cops. 254 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: We would talk to him about things, Hey Lee, do 255 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: you know about this or that? Or he said, hey, Lee, 256 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: if you hear about anything. 257 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: But an inexplicable tragedy a mere few blocks from Caribeania 258 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: was about to shake up the natural order of things 259 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: and send chills throughout the whole of Chicago. How people 260 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: endure Chicago winters has never made sense to me. A 261 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: place that hovers between bone cold and brick for months 262 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: on end. Then you experience the summer, and suddenly it 263 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: all makes sense. Chicagoans live for the summer. It's when 264 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: the city exhales, when the frozen shorelines of Lake Michigan 265 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: thaw into tanning mecchas dotted with beach bums and fitness diehards, 266 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: and by night becomes stages from music, fireworks and joy. 267 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: Summer in Chicago isn't just a season, It's a resurrection. 268 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: Summer nineteen eighty nine was no different. Then came the 269 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: night of June eighteenth. 270 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 7: A twenty four year old woman lies in a coma tonight, 271 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 7: the victim of an execution style shooting, apparently near her 272 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 7: home on the Gold Coast. 273 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: Dana Peitler was smart, attractive, from money as promising as 274 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: they make them in America. She had just completed an 275 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: internship at one of America's top banks and was about 276 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: to begin graduate studies. Moments after returning home from a 277 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: night out celebrating with friends, She's forced into a nearby alley, 278 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: shot in the back of the head, and left for dead. 279 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: The motive is unclear, although police find two ATM receipts 280 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: in Dana's wallet. The time stamps indicate the withdrawals happened 281 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: after she had returned home. Patrol cop Mary sya Way 282 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: remembers it, well. 283 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: She's from wealthy family down in the Gold Coast, right 284 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: by Astro Street, which is the biggest money street where 285 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: the governor lives, you know, right where all the concentration 286 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: of money is. So it was a heater case. 287 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: It was an instant heater and yes, it's exactly what 288 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: you think it is. The heat was on. This kind 289 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: of thing just didn't happen on the Gold Coast to 290 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 3: a white woman. Not only was it one of the 291 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 3: richest neighborhoods in Chicago, it was one of the richest 292 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: neighborhoods in the entire country. Reporter Bob Jordan lived there 293 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: around that time. He could attest to its bona fides. 294 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 5: There was an air of security and you never felt 295 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 5: ill at ease. So when Dana is discovered in this alley, 296 00:17:52,840 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 5: it was a tremendous story because it broke the calm. 297 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: The Dana Fightler case becomes a real life horror story 298 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: that everyone is following. The media descend daily on Northwestern 299 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: Memorial Hospital to get updates from Dana's neurosurgeon, and alongside 300 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: fears for Dana, Chicago's residents have worked themselves into a 301 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: kind of moral panic. ATMs are still a weird new 302 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: invention in the eighties. Was this new technology safe? What 303 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: was being compromised in the name of convenience? We found 304 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: some TV footage from the time where a police superintendent 305 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 3: Holess tells a reporter armed police won't use them. What 306 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: in the devil are you guys doing standing at an ATM? 307 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: And to top it all, tongues are wagging about the perpetrator. 308 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 3: Surely this crime had been committed by a black man 309 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 3: and was it only money he was after? First days, 310 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: then weeks pass and Dana holds on. The city holds 311 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: its breath. The police chase down leads to feed up 312 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: the chain of command. The media scramble for tidbits to 313 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: satiate its audiences. Bob Jordan had a front row seat 314 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 3: to it all. 315 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 5: As news crews. We were in the area doing that 316 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 5: story daily, trying to do updates, trying to find ways 317 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 5: to work the story with new angles and that sort 318 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 5: of thing. 319 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: Then, out of nowhere, a woman who was out walking 320 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 3: her dog the night of the incident comes forward. She 321 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: has some vital new information. Moments before the attack, she 322 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 3: saw Dana being led down a street by three men, 323 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 3: three black men. After weeks of waiting for a break, 324 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: the CPD finally has something. And then just as news 325 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: from the witness becomes known, Dana's family makes an unusual move. 326 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: They put up a sizeable reward. Might the promise of 327 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 3: hard cast shake loose some new leads jog a few 328 00:19:54,440 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: memories the fighters. One answers the city when the. 329 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 5: Mayor is getting static from his constituents. Then he calls 330 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 5: the police chief and says, what the hell's going on 331 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 5: with this fight er story? How close are you in 332 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: getting this wrapped up? And then the police chief calls 333 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 5: his neighborhood commander and says, how soon are you getting 334 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 5: it wrapped up? That pressure all the way to the 335 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 5: patrolan is find somebody, make some arrests. 336 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: Armed with this new information from the dogwalker, the CPD 337 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: puts every cop in the vicinity on high alert, even beat. 338 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: Cops like Mary and Bob get drafted. They're summoned to 339 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: an emergency briefing and their orders find any scrap of 340 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 3: information they possibly can about that night. And this is 341 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: not going to be a collaboration effort across the force. 342 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 3: This is cop against cop. Whoever brings home the biggest scraps, 343 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: it's the biggest prize. 344 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: It was very doggy dove. 345 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 346 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: And if you want to be the police, you get 347 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: the bad guys, then you've got to do battle. You've 348 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: got to compete. 349 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: As Mary and Bob step out of the precinct, they 350 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: know exactly where the head first, the streets. 351 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: There'd be thousands of people out there, you know, in 352 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: the summertime, everybody be out there, everybody, and there's always 353 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: somebody that saw all those people all day long, you 354 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Somebody always would see what happened. 355 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: Someone perhaps like Lee Harris. 356 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: He could have been there. Yeah, he could have been there. 357 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: He was a contender, you know what I mean. 358 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: Turns out finding Lee doesn't require much effort at all. 359 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: Mary and Bob bump into him almost immediately. They fill 360 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: him in about the crime, but also the reward twenty 361 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 3: five large for anyone who can provide information that leads 362 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: to an arrest. 363 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: We're the ones that totally about it. 364 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 4: And back then there was a lot of money, and 365 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 4: he was a money guy. He was a you know, 366 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 4: can guy five thousand dollars okay, you know, I mean 367 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 4: there was a motive for him to want to find 368 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 4: out about it. 369 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: Because in his situation, you know, there was good money. 370 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: Right, always a man to work numerous angles. Lee has 371 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: also been talking to some other cops who worked the 372 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: Gabrini beat. Old friends, in fact partners, James Ward and 373 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: John McHugh. These guys went way back. They used to 374 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: help Lee out when he got in trouble with the law. 375 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: They'd loan him money sometimes. They even attended Lee's wedding 376 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 3: back in the day. Ward and mceu are much closer 377 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: to the case than Bob and Mary. They're working directly 378 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 3: for the lead on the Fightler case, Detective Richard Zuley, 379 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: a tough talking cop known for making cases and making 380 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 3: them stick. They tell Lee some enticing insider information. They've 381 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 3: got three suspects in the case, well known criminals from 382 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: the area. The trigger man went by the street name Cheese, 383 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: but with no witnesses placing them there, there's no chance 384 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 3: of making any arrests Lee gets thinking a twenty five 385 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: thousand dollars reward has a whole lot of burn bags 386 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: and cleaning windows. He could start a new life, move 387 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: his son out of Cabrini. His mind starts worrying. Cabrini, 388 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: Green and the Gold Coast are just around the corner 389 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: from each other. We're talking less than a mile walking distance. 390 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: And the three suspects are also from the projects. It 391 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: will be believable that Lee knew them. He thinks, maybe 392 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: I was there the night Dana was attacked. Maybe I 393 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: did see something or someone. Lee decides he does know 394 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: something about the knight of the crime, and he knows 395 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 3: who he needs to speak to about it. He heads 396 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: straight to Area six to find Ward McHugh and their boss, 397 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: Detective Richard Zulie. Mary was unimpressed. 398 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: Those detectives are used to be called Area six. They 399 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: were all priman honas. I have to admit he hurt 400 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: my feelings a little bit because I thought that we 401 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: had a rapport and I thought, you know, because it 402 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: was a heater case and he would have liked to 403 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: been the one that you know solved it, because there 404 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: is an elation to solving a case, getting the right guy, 405 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, solving it. 406 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: And that was the last time that Marry and Bob 407 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: ever spoke to Lee. 408 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: See once he got involved like that, we disengaged because 409 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: why would we be involved with him? 410 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: Ward and mckue are all ears. Dana is still in 411 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: a coma, fighting for her life. They want to nail 412 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 3: this case before anyone else does, and now it looks 413 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: like they might have a reliable witness putting their suspects 414 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 3: in the frame. It's a win win. Lee is a 415 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: shoe win for the reward money and the police get 416 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: their suspects and maybe some promotions as well. Warden and 417 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: mcew are at the ready to help Lee prepare his 418 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: words ahead of making his formal statement to Detective Zuli. 419 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 3: I was having a coffee and dunkin Donuts when I 420 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 3: saw three black guys running out. 421 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: Of the out. 422 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: Quickest twenty five k Lee whatever make But a few 423 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 3: days later, his friends Warden mcew ask if he wouldn't 424 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 3: mind coming back for another statement. A little more detail 425 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: would be really helpful. Lee thinks, sure, why not? What 426 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 3: starts out is just one statement soon becomes two, then three, four, five, six, 427 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 3: and each time warden mcew reminding Lee of some helpful 428 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: details from the night Dana was shot, the exact alley 429 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: she was shot in, a black garage door, an ivy 430 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 3: covered wall. Before long, Lee is not just offering peripheral 431 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 3: scraps of information about the night of the crime. He's 432 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 3: the key to it all, the state star witness. So 433 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: much so he's moved out of Cabrini for his own safety, 434 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 3: all on the taxpayer's dollar way win right, But Ward 435 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: and McHugh are hungry for even more information. They need 436 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 3: Lee to be closer to the action. Maybe he was 437 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: part of the gang that attacked Dana. They assure Lee 438 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: not to worry. This is all just so they can 439 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 3: nail Cheese and the other members of the gang. Detective 440 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: Zuli gives Lee his word and so and yet another statement. 441 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: Lee tells Zuli he was the fourth member of the gang. 442 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: The police are getting closer and closer to closing the case, 443 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: and those statements from Lee keep on coming. In total, 444 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 3: he gives twenty two and then on the tenth of July, 445 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: three weeks after the attack. 446 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 7: After lingering in a coma for twenty one days. Dana 447 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 7: Fightler taken off life support systems and died. Police are 448 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 7: giving on very little information. They're being very tight lip. 449 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 7: This is a high priority case and they're being very careful. 450 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: It's a tragedy for the Fightler family and for the CPD. 451 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: The pressure is really on. They are now on the 452 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: hunt for a murderer, and thanks to Lee, they finally 453 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: have the evidence that they need to make that arrest. 454 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: Bob Jordan is at work one morning waiting on his 455 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: assignment for the day when the news breaks Dana Feitler's 456 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: murderer has been found, but when he hears the name, 457 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: it comes as a big shock. Turns out it's someone 458 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: he already knows, Lee Harris. 459 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 5: When they arrested Lee, I remember saying to my camera, man, hey, 460 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 5: you know this guy. They're arrested. We've interviewed him, We've 461 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 5: seen him around. He was always around. The switch around 462 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 5: is baffling. The CPD's star witness has become their prime suspect. 463 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 5: But in the end, what choice did they have? All 464 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 5: those statements Lee was giving, all twenty two of them. 465 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 5: With each one he. 466 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: Was clearly incriminating himself and then, to top it all, 467 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 3: the dog walker that saw Dana moments before the attack. 468 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 3: She has identified Lee, not Cheese or any other members 469 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 3: of the gang in a lineup. Solving a heater case 470 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 3: is like winning a championship, but instead of a parade, 471 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: you get a press conference, a really big one. After 472 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: weeks of waiting, wondering and wild speculation, the entire press 473 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: corps summoned. Camera's ready, Mike's hot. 474 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 5: Every TV station was there, all the newspapers, everyone. 475 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: Bob Jordan and his cameraman Mike elbow their way to 476 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: the front. Everyone is thirsty for the money shot, the 477 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: purp walk, that moment when the cuffed perpetrator, flanked by 478 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 3: police officers, is finally revealed to the public. 479 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: I can only imagine what that must be like to 480 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 5: come through a door and face a whole wall of 481 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 5: probably ten or twelve TV cameras in lights. That's how 482 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 5: big a story. It was just the sound alone of 483 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 5: the flashbulbs going off and the cameras rolling, and these 484 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 5: were noisy cameras back in those days, and you know, 485 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 5: there was a cacophony of sound in that room and 486 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 5: the lights flashing, and reporters of screaming, Lee, did you 487 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 5: do it? Did you kill her? 488 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: Did you shoot her? 489 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 5: You know? 490 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: Where were you? 491 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: Bob manages to hold his position at the front. It's 492 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: enough to get Lee and I shot. 493 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 5: Remember the look on his face. It was a look 494 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 5: of shock and amazement, and it was like he had 495 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 5: seen something unreal. I don't know if he saw me. 496 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 5: I think he did. His eyes bulged and it was 497 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 5: like he wanted to say something but couldn't or was 498 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 5: too afraid, or was too in awe of the moment. 499 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 5: But he ducked his head and then was escorted away. 500 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: Crying Wolf is an iHeart and Clockwork Films podcast in 501 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: association with Chalk and Blade. I'm your host Dax Devlin Ross. 502 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: The series producer is Sarah Stolart's. The senior producer is 503 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: Laura Hyde. 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