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Speaker 1: Lacrosse shirt today for the coach, I Bill, how are you?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Coach good Glen Kristen, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: How's the Croatians? I think a sick day. Uh, congratulations

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Speaker 1: eighteen years now in the postseason. I guess that's what

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Speaker 1: it's all about, getting to the postseason and tie Tom Lantry.

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Speaker 1: So it's quite an accomplishment. A lot of postseason games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Well. So it's a lot of good

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Speaker 1: players playing a lot of good football. So um, you know,

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Speaker 1: once again yesterday I thought, are our players stepped up?

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Speaker 1: And you know we got good contributions from all three units.

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Speaker 1: Played good complimentary football, you know, turn the ball over,

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Speaker 1: got it in the end zone, had some field position

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Speaker 1: in the kicking game. I had a big turnover in

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Speaker 1: the kicking game. So um, you know, we played play

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Speaker 1: some complimentary football. We're gonna have to keep doing that.

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Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that we were just

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Speaker 1: looking for is progress. We've been talking for a while.

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Speaker 1: The offense gets five yards, but carry, um really did

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Speaker 1: a good job just running the football. How much how

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Speaker 1: much of that is? Uh? You know, gets you excited

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Speaker 1: about it? And can you build on that? Moving forward. Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. It's it's a different challenge each week, and

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Speaker 1: and the Buffalo defense presents a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of challenges. As we know, they're the best defense that

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Speaker 1: we'll see all year, and they're they're tough, so we'll

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Speaker 1: see what we can do against them. But it was

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Speaker 1: good to, as I said, be able to play complimentary

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Speaker 1: football and and uh, you know, making a plays to

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Speaker 1: win in Cincinnati. Your defense has been tremendous. Four picks yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Of course, special teams also got you the ball back

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Speaker 1: and you were able to get points on that. It

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Speaker 1: seems like every week though you're relying on the defense

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Speaker 1: really to either score or give you a short field

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Speaker 1: for your offense. Can you continue to do that, Bill,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're going up against some of these better teams,

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Speaker 1: it can put a lot more points. Their offense can

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Speaker 1: put a lot more points on the board. Yeah, well again,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. That's that's why we play the games. But

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Speaker 1: that's our our goal defensive ways to go out there

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Speaker 1: ball away. And of course it's you know, you can't

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Speaker 1: do that on every series, but he tried to do

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Speaker 1: as many times as you can during the game. We

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Speaker 1: had some opportunities that um in the past couple of games,

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Speaker 1: some that we've gotten. Something that we didn't yesterday was

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Speaker 1: you know, when we're the ball fluttered up in the

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Speaker 1: air and a lot of times I could have been interception,

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Speaker 1: it came down in Mixing's hands, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a couple against Kansas City that uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're closer on the on the screen pass, We're close

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Speaker 1: to getting the ball out there, but somehow bounces back

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Speaker 1: to him. So some of those you get, some you don't.

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Speaker 1: We just got to keep hustling to get as many

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Speaker 1: the receiver. And so that's you know, that's really good football.

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Speaker 1: And those guys, uh you know, they did a great

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Speaker 1: the game. He anticipated he was a Steppa yet, which

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Speaker 1: is amazing. I'm wondering getting a guy like that, and

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Speaker 1: now as Defensive Player of the Year. Does that change

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Speaker 1: the way that you can game plan defensively? I know

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Speaker 1: each week has its own challenges, and it's not just

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Speaker 1: But Steph's a very um uh, he's a versatile player,

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Speaker 1: and he's shown last year and even more so this year,

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Speaker 1: um the ability to play different spots, to play in

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Speaker 1: it looked they're all on boardant. So anytime you can

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Speaker 1: get a good player, Honestly, anytime I think he can

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Speaker 1: he reminds me of Tim Duncan, like he used to

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Speaker 1: the people call Tim Duncan, no emo, no emotion. He

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Speaker 1: He just goes to work. And Gilmour even when he

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Speaker 1: If you're not on top of your game. I mean

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Speaker 1: but the receiver tight end thing for me was as

429
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Speaker 1: a coach was pretty easy. Um if if every time

430
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Speaker 1: we played against the player I said, we've got to

431
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Speaker 1: double this guy. Then I voted for him. Was Gonzalez Gonzales,

432
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 1: that was Randy Moss, that was any players that were

433
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: every like, we cannot not double this guy. Is that

434
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Speaker 1: kind of like you know, we talk about, you know,

435
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: major League Baseball in the Hall of Fame, and you

436
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: know when you see it, right, you just if you

437
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: have to think about and maybe debate it, then he's

438
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: probably not a Hall of Famer. That's kind of kind

439
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Speaker 1: of the vibe I'm getting right now. Like Brandy Moss,

440
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: you don't have to think about it, Tony Gonzalez, you

441
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: don't have to think about it. And there's other guys

442
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: that are maybe they're great, but they're just not great special,

443
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: great and special. I don't know if that's if you

444
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Speaker 1: look at it that way or not. Well again for me,

445
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't coached against all these players, but

446
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: the ones that I coached against, and in every single

447
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: time I said, we have to double this guy out

448
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: here in practice Gronkowski, I mean, can we cut it

449
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 1: against our offense? And in spring, in the in the

450
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: OTAs or in training camps, we're in the red area.

451
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,479
Speaker 1: Our players all new we're we're doubling Rob Bronkowski. I mean,

452
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: I know we're playing against our offense, but if we're

453
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Speaker 1: playing against you know, whoever the next great tight end

454
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: is on some other teams. This is the way we

455
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: got to train him. So if he's there, get him.

456
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Speaker 1: If somebody else is in there for him, then you know,

457
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But if if Rob's in there,

458
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: we're not going to let you know, let Tom throw

459
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, seven touchdown passes in one period to him

460
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Speaker 1: just because we won't double him. So those are the

461
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Speaker 1: kind of guy. Now some of the players that I

462
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Speaker 1: didn't play against or coach against, rather um, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: how how do you feel about them? You know, then

464
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: it's a little different perspective. Now, you know, we might

465
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Speaker 1: come out of the game with a guy didn't didn't

466
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Speaker 1: do much against us because we doubled him every time.

467
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Speaker 1: But that I wouldn't look at the stats. I would say, well,

468
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Speaker 1: you know, he we committed two guys to him. I

469
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Speaker 1: hope he doesn't have good stats. And the one time

470
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: we didn't double double guns as they get one hundred

471
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Speaker 1: and sixty ard and two touchdowns against us. So it's

472
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Speaker 1: our Conte's it for that? What we're doing that again?

473
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Speaker 1: So Buffalo this week, um, short week, big game for

474
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Speaker 1: both of you guys, And they've really done a great

475
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Speaker 1: job of just building that team, developing their players, bringing

476
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: in free agents. We talked about Josh Allen when you

477
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: played him the first time, and I mean, I'm not

478
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: going to say he is Lamar Jackson, but sometimes the

479
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: production is the same based on how the play ends.

480
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: Because he can run. They don't run the same offense,

481
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: but he's still really dangerous, yeah, Ce sure is. Yeah,

482
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: the offense really runs through him. He can do a

483
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Speaker 1: lot of things, and he has an excellent arm, can

484
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Speaker 1: throw the ball. He's a big, strong kid. I think he's,

485
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, a little different athlete than Jackson, but but

486
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: both dangerous in their own way, and both can throw

487
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Speaker 1: the ball well, and they both do a good job

488
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Speaker 1: of getting the ball to other players on their team

489
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Speaker 1: who are productive. And so that's really what the problem is.

490
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Speaker 1: When you have to, you know, defend five or six

491
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Speaker 1: guys on every play, it's hard. If you don't have

492
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Speaker 1: to stop one or two, then you know you can

493
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Speaker 1: kind of you know, set your defenses to do that,

494
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Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully be able to do it. But

495
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 1: it's it's hard when you got to defend them all.

496
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Speaker 1: So whether it's you know, Singletary or go or in

497
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Speaker 1: the backfield to Knox to Beasley, to Brown to Foster,

498
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: or to McKenzie to Alan, you know, there's just too

499
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,239
Speaker 1: many guys that try to stop them all. So it's

500
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: tough with a lot of pressure on you. And they're

501
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: in a good scheme. They do a good job of

502
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: changing things up and making it hard on the defense.

503
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: They challenge the defense with different personnel, different formations, and

504
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, he saw him try to throw the double

505
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: pass in our game, which you know mccordy made a

506
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: great play on, but they hit it against Dallas for

507
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: a touchdown and on the Thanksgiving games. So there's enough

508
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: wrinkles in what they do to keep you off balance

509
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: and force you to defend everything. And so it's it

510
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: would be a big challenge for us this week. So

511
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Speaker 1: we're gonna ask you about the other TV show last

512
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Speaker 1: week with Nick Saban. So at the beginning of the show,

513
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Speaker 1: you tell Ken Rogers, the great producer director for NFL Films,

514
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Speaker 1: just give us some time here and it becomes a

515
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: private conversation which we all hurt. Basically say, my team

516
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: played like you know what for two thirds of the seasons.

517
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Speaker 1: What was a private conversation? When did you sit down

518
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Speaker 1: with Ken Rogers, you and Nick and I only say,

519
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: you know what, you can include that inside the actual show. Yeah,

520
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: I forget exactly how it happened, Glenn, but it was

521
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: something along the lines of after I don't know, a

522
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Speaker 1: month or whatever, a couple of months after we were

523
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Speaker 1: down there. So I was down there for Pro Day

524
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Speaker 1: and that's when we did the majority of the filming.

525
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Speaker 1: We did it in Nick's office and then at his

526
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Speaker 1: house that night, and then the following day during Pro

527
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Speaker 1: Day where we were watching the players work out and

528
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Speaker 1: so forth. There was a little bit of follow up

529
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Speaker 1: there too. So when we first started in his office,

530
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Speaker 1: you know, they had everything set up and Nick and

531
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: I hadn't really even seen each other, and I was like,

532
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: let's just give us a couple of minutes here. And

533
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: so then a couple of months later or sometime down

534
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: the road, it was like kind of was like, hey, coach, sorry,

535
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: I got some bad news here. You know. Our intention was,

536
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, we all left the room, but somehow we

537
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Speaker 1: left a camera on and we caught some of the

538
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: conversation that you and Coach say been at and it

539
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: was because because you you have our word that you know,

540
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: we wouldn't use this unless it was approved. And so

541
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: he went to he said, so, look, here's a couple

542
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: of things that you know, we think would be good

543
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: for the for the show. Would you are you okay

544
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: with him? He did the same thing to Coach Saban

545
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: and um, so whatever, you know, whatever, we kind of

546
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: signed off on because we didn't know we were being

547
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: um overheard at that point, but we acquiesced on a

548
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: couple of his requests, so it was good. That's how

549
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: that's how it turned out. Well, Nick's the best. Next really,

550
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: next guys are a lot, uh tell you. They they

551
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Speaker 1: I can't believe that they could just take things that

552
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: we said separately, you know, fifteen hundred miles apart or whatever.

553
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: And it sounds kind of the same. It's kind of

554
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: funny talking to High Tower and Damian Harris and some

555
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: of those guys, you know, saying now, yeah, we heard

556
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: some of this before. You know, you guys have a a

557
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: little different presentation style, but it's a lot of it's

558
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: the same stuff. So yeah, I guess it is so.

559
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: But you know, Cleveland we were together, I mean it really,

560
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean that was it was like in stereo, right yeah.

561
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: And that and when they did that was a thirty

562
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Speaker 1: for thirty I can't remember on the Cleveland on the

563
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: Browns or was it NFL Films did it. That was

564
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: terrific too. That was the And of course that last

565
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: year was oh, I can only imagine. But the whole

566
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Speaker 1: you know, the group that we had there was was

567
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: really pretty special. From Aussie to Kirk Ferrens to you

568
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: know to Pat Hill to yeah, Mike Lombardi and you know,

569
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Speaker 1: Phil Savage, and it was just Tom Demetroff and Tom

570
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: de Metrof was were Browns crew. He's the fields and

571
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: stuff and so you know, it was just you know,

572
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: a culmination Scotty O'Brien and it was. It was a

573
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: tremendous group. I was very fortunate, obviously to be to

574
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Speaker 1: have that kind of a staff, and I learned so

575
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: much from all of them that really helped me become

576
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: a better coach. But Nick, especially Nick Nick was just

577
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: it's just a great, great football coach every aspect of

578
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: coaching least he was good at it. All right, Well

579
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: the uh we'll go to the drive of the week.

580
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: I did all I can do for you. Yeah, it's

581
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: up to you now. The floor is yours. You can

582
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: go interceptions, you can go drives. You know, we're pretty

583
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: liberal here. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, Steph's play

584
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: was a big play that really you know, I think

585
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: that took it to a U two score game at

586
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: that point. Uh if we would that make it twenty

587
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: three to ten, it's a third quarter. Uh, soide was

588
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: a big one, you know. I thought that, you know,

589
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: Birkhead's scorer after the on side kick kind of put

590
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: it away. Um. But look, the first drive was a

591
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: big drive just to go out there and get on top.

592
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: And then we didn't, you know, didn't that very good

593
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: series defensively, but offensively. That was a great drive, you know,

594
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, control the clock, control the ball, drove it

595
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: down there, put the defense in good field position, and

596
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: we just didn't, you know, it didn't respond as well

597
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: as we did the rest of the game defense. So, um,

598
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: so there's like that one. Okay, great, we'll go with

599
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: that one. So before we let you go last week,

600
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: you were emphatic that you had nothing to do with

601
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: the situation out in Cleveland that it was Craft TV Productions.

602
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: You've probably seen that Cincinnati. I guess leaked it out

603
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: to Jay Glazier. They played it all over Fox over

604
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: the weekend. Certainly looks like it could be b role

605
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: for a TV fluff piece of some individual in a documentary.

606
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people nationally that are

607
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: pointing the finger at you and trying to in some

608
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: way connect you with the TV production to have any

609
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: reaction at all in that they're coming at you with this. Yeah,

610
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to add. We already talked about

611
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: it last week. There's nothing new and stambo what I said,

612
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: as the league contacted you at all? Are you part

613
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: of the investigation? Yeah, nothing more of so they haven't

614
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: contacted you, haven't heard from them yet. I mean, I

615
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: don't know what there is to talk about. Well, they're

616
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: saying they're doing an investigation, so I don't know where

617
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: the investigation is. Obviously, YE needn't talk to them. I'm

618
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: really focused on getting ready for Buffalo, and that's last

619
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Speaker 1: week I was folks, don't get roof Saty, So That's

620
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: what I'll do, all righty Bill thank you very much.

621
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Speaker 1: Good one, Good luck against Buffalo. We're off next week,

622
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: so merry Christmas you. We don't know who you're gonna have. Yeah,

623
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe stuck, who knows, Maybe Lou will come back. Yeah.

624
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: I think you scared him one, I really do. All right, thanks,

625
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: all right, all right, we'll be right back