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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesdays and should a big blue kick off

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Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot Com. Here's Paul the Tina M.

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Speaker 1: Lance Medal with you for the next sixty minutes. Two

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Speaker 1: zero five one three. That is the telephone number. You

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Speaker 1: can also chime in via Twitter. We'll get to your

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Speaker 1: phone calls and tweets using hashtag Giants Chat. So the

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Speaker 1: Giants are continuing O T A s today. This one

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Speaker 1: not open to the media today and they're gonna wrap

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Speaker 1: up tomorrow before they break ultimately for the off season.

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Speaker 1: The return for the start of training camp. The rookie

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Speaker 1: is gonna hang around Paul for an extra week, is

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Speaker 1: Pat Sherman noted yesterday when he spoke to the media.

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Speaker 1: But we're getting down to the end of the official

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Speaker 1: off season program because when they come back, it's the

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Speaker 1: is gonna be the quiet time. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be the time of the year where and Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: was asked about it, which is no surprise. What's your

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Speaker 1: message to the team, because you're parting ways for about

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Speaker 1: six weeks, what do you tell your team in terms

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Speaker 1: of you want them to find a balance, Paul. I

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Speaker 1: think it's important where they need to get their minds

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Speaker 1: off of football a little. I think that's healthy for anybody,

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Speaker 1: any job. But at the same time, if you're working

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Speaker 1: and you've seen this more often than not from covering

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Speaker 1: the Giants is guys come back for the conditioning test

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Speaker 1: and they look like sometimes completely different individuals. And that's

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Speaker 1: the worst fear of a coach. You know what's funny, Lance,

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Speaker 1: Let's go back a couple of decades now, and I remember,

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Speaker 1: you know, going up to Albany or Gold to Fairley,

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Speaker 1: literally just heaving and wheezing, and you know some of

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Speaker 1: the lineman had a really, really rough time with those

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Speaker 1: conditioning tests. Uh. That was then. This is now where

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Speaker 1: you may have one god who doesn't pass the conditioning

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Speaker 1: test in today's game, because these players understand that their

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Speaker 1: bodies are basically their machines, and they're taking much better

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Speaker 1: care of them during the off season than they did

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Speaker 1: in the old days. And when I say again the

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Speaker 1: old days, I'm talking like in the eighties and nineties,

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Speaker 1: after a hard season. Well then they get back for

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Speaker 1: the conditioning drills, and man Parcels used to really give

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Speaker 1: I know it's lunchtime, folks. I'm not trying to groce

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Speaker 1: interesting sights to see over those years. And really, now,

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Speaker 1: that's like a lot nowadays. Well, I think you bring

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Speaker 1: how many players also, in addition to leaning on their

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Speaker 1: the next four to six weeks and they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a private trainer or they're gonna have a positional guru.

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Speaker 1: You know how many offensive lineman Paul they go with

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Speaker 1: already heard that the Giants rookie first round pick Daniel

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Speaker 1: the more voices you throw the way of a young player, Paul,

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Speaker 1: the scheme. But these specialized individuals, they're not trying to

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Speaker 1: So I don't really think the two overlap where there

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about them going off with their own individuals,

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Speaker 1: let's let's not kid ourselves. David Cutcliffe knows Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a negative resource to have. Two zero

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Speaker 1: the exact question that Pat Shermer had to answer, and

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, Daniel Jones should be ready

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Speaker 1: it's unfair to bring Collins into that conversation because Collins

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Speaker 1: is not a return guy. So I'm not gonna fault

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Speaker 1: land Collins. I'm not gonna downgrate Landon collins brand. And

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Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm saying because he just was

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Speaker 1: not asked to do that. That's just additional versatility that

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Speaker 1: Peppers brings to the table. So it's apples and oranges,

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Speaker 1: it really is, okay, Well I guess I guess. I

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Speaker 1: guess it is. Well, you think you guys think Jabrill

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Speaker 1: Peppers could be a better fit for the defense that

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Speaker 1: James Betcher is gonna play because Lenda Collins can only play.

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Speaker 1: And I love Landon Collins, he Brandon To be fair,

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Speaker 1: We've said this on the show before, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: breaking new ground here. I think the problem is the complimentary,

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Speaker 1: complimentary pieces that that Collins was playing with did not

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Speaker 1: necessarily fit his skills. Well, I don't think it was

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Speaker 1: so much him fitting into the scheme, although he has

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Speaker 1: since said he thinks that the Redskin scheme is better

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Speaker 1: for him, but the pieces around him did not fit

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Speaker 1: him very well. And I think the Giants have made

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Speaker 1: some changes to get younger and fast stir in the

448
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Speaker 1: back seven, which will actually bode well for Jabril Peppers.

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Speaker 1: So look again, please, let's let me make this very clear,

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Speaker 1: for about the five billionth time, I am a huge

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Speaker 1: Landing Collins fan. Okay, I thought he was a terrific giant.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to see that. He himself said the other

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Speaker 1: day that John Mara personally phoned him after he signed

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Speaker 1: with the Redskins and had a conversation with him and

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Speaker 1: tell him how much he was appreciated. We're gonna let

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Speaker 1: you go just because of the noise of the background,

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Speaker 1: but do appreciate you weighing in. I didn't mean to

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Speaker 1: cut you off, Paul. I'll let you know. I think

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Speaker 1: that's important to note because a lot of folks just

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Speaker 1: feel as though and I understand based on Landon's comments

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Speaker 1: when he wound up leaving via free agency, uh that

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Speaker 1: that he certainly sounded like he felt singed, But subsequent

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Speaker 1: to that. He has admitted to receiving a phone call

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Speaker 1: from John Marra which made him feel a heck of

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Speaker 1: a lot better because the Giants do appreciate what he did.

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Speaker 1: He was a very very very good player, in fact,

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Speaker 1: an excellent player on a team that struggled mightily during

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Speaker 1: most of his time here. And you know what, as

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Speaker 1: as a kid growing up, I can remember some Giants

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Speaker 1: teams in the late sixties and those seventies that also

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Speaker 1: had some very very good players and they struggled mightily.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Spider Lockhart comes to mind as an All

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Speaker 1: Pro safety who made you know, uh three I think

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Speaker 1: three All Star Games, you know, but the Giants were

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Speaker 1: not very good. It's just bad timing. You know, if

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins had been on on on the team that

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Speaker 1: had won the two thousand eleven Super Bowl instead of

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Speaker 1: Kenny Phillips, you know, maybe maybe some people would look

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Speaker 1: at him differently, or maybe some people would look at

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Speaker 1: Kenny Phillips differently if he was an on a team

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Speaker 1: that won a Super Bowl. I just think it was

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Speaker 1: bad timing. The Giants are in a reconstruction period where,

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Speaker 1: you know what, they're trying to get younger and faster,

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Speaker 1: they're healthier, and they're also trying enhance the talent across

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Speaker 1: the board on the roster while staying economically smart. That

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Speaker 1: didn't fit where Landon Collins was in his career. Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree with all of the points that you brought up.

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Speaker 1: I just want to add a few things, especially when

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Speaker 1: you noted the talent around him, because that I think

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Speaker 1: is a key piece of this discussion Landed Collins. And

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Speaker 1: this is not to make excuses, but the dynamics between

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Speaker 1: teammates is extremely important. Landed Collins last season played next

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Speaker 1: to Curtis Riley. Curtis Riley was a converted corner being

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Speaker 1: asked to now play a new position on a regular basis.

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Speaker 1: That cannot be lost in this conversation. So Paul now

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Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers, and this is why I don't think the

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Speaker 1: comparison is fair. And I know we're gonna see a

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Speaker 1: lot of comparisons, whether Peppers production is through the roof

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Speaker 1: for whatever it is in two thousand nineteen, people are

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Speaker 1: always gonna make the comparison. A great move by the Giants,

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Speaker 1: bad move by the Giants. But Peppers is now playing

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Speaker 1: next to a seasoned pro in Antoine Bethet. So you

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Speaker 1: go from Landon Collins with Curtis Riley, change in position

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Speaker 1: for Riley to Jabril Peppers, a young up and coming

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Speaker 1: safety playing next to Antoine Bathet, who I just spoke

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Speaker 1: to for our latest podcast that is now up on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com and talked about him in great detail. Paul,

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Speaker 1: he has plenty of experience being asked to go next

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Speaker 1: to various personnel during the course of his career. He

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Speaker 1: was with Indianapolis earliest career Bob Sanders, who was a

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Speaker 1: great player. But Bob Sanders also was plagued by injuries.

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Speaker 1: So every year Antoine Bathet would be asked to line

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Speaker 1: up next to a variety of different guys. But just

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Speaker 1: think about the luxury in my opinion that Peppers has

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Speaker 1: to lean on a guy like Bathet whereas Collins. Not

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Speaker 1: that Riley didn't play football, but Riley was learning as

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Speaker 1: he was going last season. Consider this. You mentioned that

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Speaker 1: Riley was a converted corner into a free safety. Well,

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Speaker 1: both Peppers and Bethet have played the strong safety spot

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Speaker 1: and the free safe and Scott during their NFL careers,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that but they has

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Speaker 1: talked about in the past. In fact, you just mentioned

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Speaker 1: it last week at Oppressor when I specifically said to him,

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Speaker 1: how much does that help both of you that you

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Speaker 1: have both played both positions? And he said immensely, because

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Speaker 1: they can get inside each other's heads. Because they've both

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Speaker 1: played each other's position. You see the field better essentially too,

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Speaker 1: because you've got different angles, just like somebody pull that

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Speaker 1: is interchangeable between corner and safety. They see things to

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Speaker 1: me much different than somebody only played one of the

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Speaker 1: two positis. Without a doubt, it's basic. You know X's

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Speaker 1: and owes common sense that is operating simultaneously there. So

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Speaker 1: football i Q is a cliche term that has thrown out,

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Speaker 1: but there's validity behind that, especially with somebody with experience.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I wanted add before we head

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Speaker 1: back to the phone lines related to what you were

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Speaker 1: talking about and the question that the last caller left

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Speaker 1: us with, which is Pepper is a better fit for

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Speaker 1: the scheme than Landed Collins, which is a little bit

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Speaker 1: different in terms of the personel that he was playing with.

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Speaker 1: The next I think of day Own Buchanan, Paul they

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Speaker 1: Own Buchanan was a key player in Arizona with James Betcher,

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Speaker 1: who started off as a safety, was converted to a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I bring him up Landed Collins. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people throw out, you know, he's sort of

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Speaker 1: a linebacker playing safety, with which I don't think it's true.

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Speaker 1: But I think Landed Collins, if you asked him to

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Speaker 1: play linebacker, Paul, I don't think you're throwing him into

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Speaker 1: the land of the Unknope. I think he'd be right right.

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Speaker 1: So if you said, hey, Landed, stay in the box,

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Speaker 1: do your thing, Landon would say, sure, I'm gonna fill

552
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Speaker 1: up the statue. So the reason I bring that up

553
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Speaker 1: is if Betcher thrived with a guy like Buchanan and

554
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Speaker 1: asked him to play down in the box and moved

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Speaker 1: him around, then than anybody who wants to run with

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Speaker 1: the narrative that Landon Collins wasn't a good fit, I

557
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Speaker 1: don't think it's a fair synopsis of the situation. I

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Speaker 1: don't think so either. In fact, that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we talked a lot about win Betcher got here,

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Speaker 1: is that Colin will do very well for Betcher. So

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Speaker 1: to use revisionist history would be wrong, Okay, it would

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Speaker 1: be flat out wrong. So you know, Hey, whatever Landing

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Speaker 1: wants to say, now I understand. I'll take it with

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Speaker 1: a grain of salt. Uh, it will not change my

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00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: opinion of him as being a terrific giant. Heck, he

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Speaker 1: was a finalist for NFL Defensive Player of the Year

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Okay, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: change my opinion about Landing Collins at all. He was

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Speaker 1: a terrific giant. He was a great guy to talk

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Speaker 1: to in the locker room. He produced and gave the

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Speaker 1: Giants everything he had for the time that he was here.

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Speaker 1: You know what, timing circumstances again, economic factors and other things. Uh,

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Speaker 1: prompted the Giants to make a change. That's it. No

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Speaker 1: no hard feelings. One of the phrases that Dave Gettleman

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Speaker 1: uses a lot is decisions are not made in a vacuum.

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Speaker 1: Paul and Landing Collins, to me is the very true,

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Speaker 1: very true. You don't make that decision just on an

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Speaker 1: island with and then Collins. You're factoring in the other

579
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Speaker 1: parts of your team and how economically you're going to

580
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Speaker 1: construct it. Let's head back to the phone lines we

581
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Speaker 1: check in with. Unfortunately, Charlie and Portland Maine. What's happening,

582
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Speaker 1: Charlie Hey, Lance say, Paul, what do you Charlie Hey?

583
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: I just yeah, just I mean on the whole land

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Speaker 1: in Collins say, the guy was a pro bowler, all pro,

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Speaker 1: and he never ever had a free safety next next

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Speaker 1: to him that was even adequate, was even adequate, and

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00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: he still ended up all pro, you know, Pro Bowl

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00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: free seasons. I mean the guy And I don't think

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Speaker 1: they utilize this stress. I think this this system made,

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00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, made him calling to do things that he

591
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: wasn't his strength. And I think now that if he's

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Speaker 1: in Washington or they have a free safety and I

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Speaker 1: don't know who it is, if he is even just

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Speaker 1: good or just you know, solid, he's gonna have one

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Speaker 1: hour of you up, you know, and uh, you got

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys said it. I mean Riley, Riley

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00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: was that. We all know. It was terrible. He was terrible.

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Speaker 1: And that goes on, that goes on Gettleman from not

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Speaker 1: getting a free safety, a real free safety. Then that

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Speaker 1: goes on him for not doing that. But I don't

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Speaker 1: want to get onto that. But my next thing was

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Speaker 1: the whole thing with Schrmer and Eli and Jones. Look

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Speaker 1: elis the start period. All he had to say is

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00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: our plan is we brought it back for one reason,

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: to start sixteen games this year. And if you know

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00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: something Jays has has changes, but our plan, he's our

607
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: starter for sixteen games, period. And I think what he

608
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: was saying about Jones is he's expectations he's thrown out

609
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Speaker 1: there that this guy has got to be the like

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Speaker 1: I said before, the backup starting September eight, because they are,

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Speaker 1: you know, they are just like pumping this guy up

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00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: so much that if he is failed and he isn't,

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Speaker 1: he isn't the backup quarterback. Well, Charlie, we've had this

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Speaker 1: conversation before, and I and I and I and I've

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Speaker 1: said I'm okay with Jones not becoming the number two

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Speaker 1: until October. But I'm going to tell you something. He

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Speaker 1: has been so impressive during these last several weeks of

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Speaker 1: the spring offseason program that I think he's making a

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Speaker 1: big push to potentially be the number two guy a

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Speaker 1: heck of a lot earlier, and maybe he will be

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Speaker 1: the number two guy in Week one. Heck, what if

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Speaker 1: the Giants only keep two quarterbacks on the fifty three,

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Speaker 1: then he's going to be the number two. Well, then

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Speaker 1: the decision is easy. Yeah, I hope, so, I hope

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Speaker 1: they only have to and he done, Dune. They're the

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Speaker 1: guy who's a tight end quarterback as the nurgency guy, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: To this point, and I'm I'm not kidding you, to

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Speaker 1: this point, Daniel Jones has checked all the boxes. It's

629
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Speaker 1: only shurch and shorts, and I make that very clear

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Speaker 1: to everybody. Okay, but it's better to check all the

631
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Speaker 1: boxes now than not check all the boxes now, because

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Speaker 1: this is the first baby step you take on your

633
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Speaker 1: way to crawling and then running, and and better that

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00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: he has checked all the boxes than he didn't. Now.

635
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: I will add one other thing. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: significant yesterday wins were about fifteen miles an hour here

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Speaker 1: at the Meadowlands, gusting and it was a hard wind

638
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Speaker 1: out of the west. And as you know, the Meadowlands

639
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: winds are notorious for doing things with a football, especially

640
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Speaker 1: when you're trying to throw it. And we had seen

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Speaker 1: some wins over the course of the spring session, but

642
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: nothing like yesterday. Yesterday was the strongest wins that I

643
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: had seen since the rookies reported and I asked some

644
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: of the coaches about it because I wanted to make

645
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: sure that I had felt it correctly, and they agreed

646
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, this nothing was worse than this. This

647
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: was This was about the strongest wins we had faced.

648
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: So I specifically watched Daniel Jones yesterday to see him

649
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: throw the ball. Now, I haven't had a chance to

650
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: speak to coach Shermer privately about it, but I wanted

651
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: to ask him yesterday. During the spring drills, the offense

652
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: only went with the wind. They did not go against

653
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: the wind at any time. During yesterday's practice session, they

654
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: only went with the wind. Almost all of the throws

655
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: were short throws which were unaffected. Daniel Jones threw two

656
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: passes that I would consider of significant length. Both of

657
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: them were high and long and sailed because the wind

658
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: was behind them. So when I caught up to Daniel

659
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: after practice, I specifically pulled him on the side and

660
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: asked him about it. I said, did you ever feel

661
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: winds like that before? And he goes, well, let's say

662
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: I've heard about them. He said, what did you think

663
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: they were? I said, well, they were about twenty five

664
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: with the gusts today. He said, and how high do

665
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: you think they get I said, in the metal ends,

666
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: they can get up to about forty miles when they're

667
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: really at their peak on occasion in November and December.

668
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: He goes, that's very interesting. I said, so what you

669
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: need to do is you and Eli need to need

670
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: to have a conversation about this, talk about the wind conditions,

671
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: especially inside the stadium. I said, this is something you're

672
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna learn with time and experience, and he goes, wow.

673
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: He goes, that's really interesting. I said, well, I said,

674
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: I've seen you throw in in in fifteen to twenty

675
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: mile and our winds. I've seen you do that out

676
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: on the practice field and you look fine. I've seen

677
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: you throw with a wet ball because they've had some rain.

678
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: I said, you look fine, but I said I was

679
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: kind of curious. I wanted to see you throw into

680
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: the tent and our winds today, but coach Shermer didn't

681
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: have the offense going that way, so I couldn't see

682
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: that today, and I wanted to. He goes, well, He goes, oh,

683
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see it at some point. I said,

684
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure we will. But I said, in the meantime,

685
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: you do your wind study with Eli, because it took

686
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: him time to learn them, just like it took Phil

687
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: Simms time before him. It's a different piece now. I

688
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: will say this, The MetLife Stadium is different than Giants Stadium.

689
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: The winds are not nearly as vicious as they were

690
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: in the old building, but they still do exist. And

691
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: and at least on first inspection yesterday when it got

692
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: real heavy, Daniel Jones's ball flew and took off And

693
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: he's going to have to learn how to adjust given

694
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: the wind conditions of the North Jersey climate in November

695
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: and December specifically. But but that was the first Heat

696
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: Cup that I have seen from Daniel Jones since he

697
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: got here. And it's a little nuance, okay, but when

698
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: you have when you have a real football I these

699
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: are the things you look for. Yeah, hey, well maybe

700
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: he should go on the off season here that you

701
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: should go practice in the wind tunnel. And well, I

702
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: don't think he's allowed on property, to be perfectly frank

703
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: with you, the c BA doesn't allow the players to

704
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: be on the property during the during the dead period. Well, Charlie,

705
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: why don't you invite him out to your facility? In me?

706
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you clearly have a state of the art facility. Right,

707
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: you you find to an offensive lineman, there's no reason

708
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: why you can't have the quarterback come over. Hey, I

709
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to say one more thing about the offensive line.

710
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: I was trying to call him yesterday when you guys

711
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: are talking about the offense and you didn't get through,

712
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: which was a big win for us, by the way,

713
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: But go ahead, Yes, we celebrated after the program. Yeah,

714
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: it was one of our finest moments. Go ahead. Yeah.

715
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, is like you were talking about, like,

716
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: you know what, drives are always stopping blah blah blah,

717
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: and that's why we always had long third downs instead

718
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: of good first and second now, and the main reason

719
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: was our offensive line. We had so many stupid penalties

720
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: all the time. Either it was like you know, holding

721
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: or off side or illegal motion. Every time we started

722
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: drive was like back fifteen yards, back ten yards. So

723
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: hopefully with the with the veterans that we got on

724
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: the line now, that won't be the case as much.

725
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting point. I haven't looked that closely.

726
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm bringing up my penalty chart because I

727
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: log all the penalties and I'm curious who was on

728
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: the high side last season and whether or not there

729
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: may be some validity behind that. In terms of most

730
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: penalties on the team, in two thousand eighteen, you had B. J.

731
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: Hill and B. W. Webb each had nine. Those were

732
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: the two leaders. Then Jimon Brown was tied for second

733
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: with Scott Simonson. They each had six and by the way,

734
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: I should mention, these are only accepted penalties, just so

735
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: we're clear. And then you had Josh Morrow and Genera's

736
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Jenkins with five apiece. So there wasn't a lot of

737
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: offensive lineman that I just named. But if you just

738
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: look at the surface over the course of the season, Charlie,

739
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: I could give you examples in games where as you mentioned,

740
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: because of penalties, it put them into second and third

741
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: and longs, which put them in a very precarious spot.

742
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: For example, the Eagles game in Philadelphia. And this is

743
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: a big talking point with Giants fans. I'm sure you

744
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: also have a very strong opinion, but we'll maybe hold

745
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: that aside for this segment of the program. But a

746
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: lot of people are opinionate about that. Se Quon Barkley

747
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: should have got more work in the second half of

748
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: that game, if you recalled just to provide context. And

749
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: what I counter that with is if you go back

750
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: to those drives, they were putting themselves in second and

751
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: third and longs because of penalties against the offensive Locke. Yes,

752
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: Goldman was running fine, but we had a big pen

753
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: to kept driving. Boy, Charlie, there must be a full

754
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: moon out tonight. You're making too much sense today. I

755
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, Charlie. Of the returning offensive

756
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: lineman Nate Solder had been called for four flags during

757
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: the course of the season, two of which were declined. Yeah,

758
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: they always seemed to come though at critical times, you know,

759
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, on drives that we needed to have or

760
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: we're back up in our end zone or our drive,

761
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: we're you know, running down the field, and all of

762
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, we get these penalties and they

763
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: were just you know, timely, they were just too timely.

764
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: So hopefully that will maybe well we can cut back. Well,

765
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: remember something, Charlie. Penalties in some way or the byproduct

766
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: of communication in chemistry issues. And when you consider the

767
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: Giant's offensive line, the whole first half of the season

768
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: was a jumbled mess. You have to understand those things

769
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: are going to happen. You know now that these guys

770
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: have had the whole off season to be together again.

771
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: I know Members has been working on the side with

772
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the trainers, but four of the five guys pretty much

773
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: know where they're going to be. We've already heard many

774
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: times how Hernandez and Soldier have talked about how during

775
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: the end of last season they finally felt like they

776
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: were a twosome on the left side. Those kinds of

777
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: things will automatically cut down on the penalties. Yep, that's

778
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: what I'm hoping for. And uh, I still think we

779
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: need a vet sling tackle, but at least for now

780
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: we're we're looking good. Well, if you didn't think that way,

781
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: we would have thought something would be wrong with you, Charlie.

782
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that, and we'll let you off on

783
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: that very high note as usual. Alright, Terry, with respect

784
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: to the offensive line, one of the things that I

785
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: was not much for him to complain about these days, Well,

786
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: they've done a lot of upgrades on this roster. See.

787
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: The thing is, he's gonna have the players go their

788
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: separate ways. He's gonna have his six weeks to really

789
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: get down in dirty and find things to complain about Paul,

790
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: So do not poke the bear. Okay, do not poke

791
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: the bear. We do not need to open up Pandora's box.

792
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: One of the things that I wanted to mention that

793
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: with respect to Charlie, and a reminder, Big Blue Kickoff

794
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: Live is presented by Core's line and will continue to

795
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: feel your phone calls at two zero one three, hashtag

796
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Giants Chat. I've got some tweets up here. We'll get

797
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: to that as well. And you disagreed with him. I

798
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: think as you emphasize, but I do not view. Let's

799
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: say this is a hypothetical. If the Giants decide to

800
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: keep three quarterbacks Paul and Eli. Manning is the number

801
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: one guy Alex Tanny, they give a jersey to let's

802
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: say in week one, okay, because they don't dress three,

803
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones on the roster. But let's say they dressed two.

804
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: Manning and Tanny are the two that get jerseys. I

805
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: don't look at that as a failure for Daniel Jones

806
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: or a failure in the eyes of the organization, because

807
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: once again, Daniel Jones was not drafted to make an

808
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: immediate impact in week one. Of the two thousand, nineteen

809
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: regular season, Paul Daniel Jones was drafted to be the

810
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: future franchise quarterback, which means long term he was drafted,

811
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: not immediate results because Eli Manny is the starter. So

812
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: why are we getting caught up on a simple detail?

813
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: And I think it's a minor detail of whether or

814
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: not Daniel Jones gets a jersey for week one? And remember,

815
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: guys that get jerseys the first week doesn't mean they're

816
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: guaranteed to get jerseys the second week. The inactive list fluctuates,

817
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: So Daniel Jones could be the number two guy one week,

818
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: he could be the number three guy another week. It

819
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: could certainly go back and forth depending on matchups, how

820
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: many players they need active, who's heard on the roster.

821
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: So you shouldn't read into what happens week one when

822
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: week two can completely follow a new script. Understood. So

823
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: that's all I wanted to say that I don't think

824
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: we should be sitting here and I'm saying this right

825
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: now because I'll give you the same answer if Week

826
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: one comes around and Daniel Jones they keep three quarterbacks,

827
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones does not get a jersey week one. Now,

828
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear this narrative in this dialogue,

829
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was the worst pick ever. What's

830
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: going on? It could simply be because of the dynamics

831
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: of the rest of the roster and it has nothing

832
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: to do with Daniel Jones's upside and so forth, So

833
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: don't go too crazy with that type of a storyline.

834
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: Let's um. I do want to add one other thing

835
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: about this quarterback situation. Uh, we know that Kyle Oletta

836
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: would be eligible for the practice squad. Indeed, I do

837
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: not know based on how often there are tweaks to

838
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: the practice squad rules, if Alex Tanny would qualify as

839
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: one of those veteran exceptions. Well the veteran exception, though

840
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Paul and I could be mistaken, but I thought the

841
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: veteran exception was minimum maximum excuse me, two years in

842
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: the league, and what I mean by two years in

843
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: the league, as you've had to at least be active

844
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: and up for six games, because that means it accrude.

845
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: So here's here's the problem though, that they often do

846
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: a little tweaking to the practice squad rules and we

847
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: don't really hear about them because nobody publicizes them very much.

848
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is what I need to double check,

849
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: and I'm just telling you folks this because I am

850
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: going to do it, hopefully by the next time I'm

851
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: on on the program. I want to find out have

852
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: the practice squad rules been tweaked at all? And is

853
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: someone like Alex Tanney eligible for the practice squad, because

854
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: that could clearly impact his ability to stay here, whether

855
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: or not they want to put him on the fifty

856
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: three or maybe is it potential Is there a potential

857
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: for him to be a veteran exception on the practice squad.

858
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, and I'm telling you that, folks, only

859
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: because they do often tweak the rules for practice squad

860
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: and nobody ever hears about them until opening day. All

861
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, the rosters get cut and

862
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: then you see, like, how'd that guy get the practice squad? Oh? Yeah,

863
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: they change the rules again, all of a sudden he's eligible.

864
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't want to make any assumptions

865
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: on this, but if the Giants keep three quarterbacks, I

866
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: think it's likely that it will be Eli Manning, Alex Tanney,

867
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones, whatever the order. I don't care. I

868
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: think those are your three on the fifty three. If

869
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: they are only going to keep two on the fifty three,

870
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: well it's gonna be Manning, it's gonna be Daniel Jones.

871
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: And if Channy is eligible for the practice squad, does

872
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: he take the practice squad spot away and then Alex

873
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta get squeezed out? Or do they keep too

874
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: and say okay Manning and Jones and then Kyle Loletta

875
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: lands on the practice squad. I think these are all

876
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: in play unless there's something in the rules that says

877
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: one of those situations is not. I will check on

878
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: on those rules whole fully by tomorrow's program. I'm looking

879
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: up these are the rules as of last season, just

880
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: to relate to what we were just talking about. So

881
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen was the year that they adopted a

882
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: change which was that up to four players per practice

883
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: squad can have two accrued seasons, which is what I

884
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: was just talking about, which to me is that veteran exception.

885
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Then everybody else has to be limited to players who

886
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: have been on an active roster for fewer than six games,

887
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: because six games is the key for an accrude season,

888
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: or on a forty six man active game day roster

889
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: for fewer than nine games, So it's either you were

890
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: playing for six or you were active, meaning you didn't

891
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: get into a game for fewer than nine. That's the

892
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: wording in terms of practice squad eligibility. But as Paul noted,

893
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: they may make some tweaks before the start of the

894
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen season, and not every year. It's highly publicized,

895
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: but those are at least the rules as it stands

896
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: right now coming out of two thousand eighteen. Well, here's

897
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: the problem when you talk about being on the active

898
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: roster for as many years as Alex Tanney has been

899
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: in the league. He was on the active roster of

900
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: of the Kansas City Chiefs in two thousand twelve, the

901
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Titans in two thousand fourteen, and the Titans in two

902
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. Uh, then also with the Giants in two

903
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, but only appeared in one game through all

904
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: of those years that he was actually on the fifty three. Well,

905
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: what we need to know is, and I'm looking at

906
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: your screen because I went to his Pro Football Reference,

907
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: they don't tell you how many games though he was

908
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: active for no so we need we need to know

909
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: it's not the appearance. It's is how many times has

910
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: he given a jersey when they made it? And that's

911
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: what makes this a very correct, complicated answer. But I

912
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: do think it's something worth pondering because we don't know

913
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: if the Giants will have two or three quarterbacks on

914
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: their fifty three, and that does make a difference. Now,

915
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: I'll give you a good example. If you look at

916
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. Okay, they've got Alex Tanney being on

917
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: the two thousand thirteen Browns, the fifteen Titans, the sixteen Titans,

918
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: and the eighteen Giants. That's what they list on his

919
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: NFL ledger, with only one game for the Titans in

920
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. But that does not list how many

921
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: times he was on the fifty three or how many

922
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: times he was given a jersey on Sunday or anything

923
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: like that. They don't break any of that stuff down,

924
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: so it's gonna require a little sleuthing to find out

925
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: exactly what his eligibility is. Yeah, I love Pro Football Reference.

926
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: I think it's an extra site. I think the one thing, though,

927
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: if we were to complain, since it's relevant to this dialogue,

928
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: is it'd be nice if they had games games started

929
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: and games active when I put another column because to

930
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: your point, I've never seen any chart that lists actives

931
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: for anybody. But because of the practice squad rules and

932
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: just if you want to see how many seasons a

933
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: guy accrued, it's always good to know. So to your point,

934
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: Tanny got into one game in two thousand fifteen. Okay,

935
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: he played in one game. He could have had a

936
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: jersey for nine others, which means he was active for ten.

937
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: Look at it this way. Two thousand twelve, he was

938
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: on i R the whole season with the Chiefs. He

939
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: made the team, but he was i R, all right,

940
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: So that's a wasted sea. So he wasn't. So does

941
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: the rest of his page. They'll tell you at all.

942
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you're on Wikipedia, which is also helpful. Sometimes

943
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: it can be in terms of how many games he appeared,

944
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: but that's uh, it's definitely it's an answer that requires

945
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: homework and homework with the league office consulting. It really

946
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: does that. And the crazy thing is you talk about

947
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: Chatty in his particular case, two thousand twelve is his

948
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: first pro experience in terms of being in a camp

949
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: and being with a club, albeit on injured reserve that's

950
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: a lot of years. But but again, just check out

951
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: his career history. Two thirteen practice squad, Cowboys, UH third team,

952
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: also with the Browns for a short period of time

953
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: at the very end of the season. They take him

954
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: off the Cowboys practice squad. Then you look at Buccaneers, UH, Titans, Bills, Colts,

955
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: fourth organizations in a row where he's not a member

956
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: of Thefts, just practice squad or off season. So I mean,

957
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: the guy has bounced around like a ping pong ball

958
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: and has a tremendous amount of pro experience, which is

959
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: one of the reasons coach Shermer likes him. But yet

960
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: when you look at his quote official accrued NFL seasons,

961
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: it's a it's a crumb. Well. Interestingly, though, they have

962
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: him listed their tennessee two thousand fifteen to two thousand seventeen,

963
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: and from my experience looking at the wiki page, normally

964
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: that's accurate, which means that could have been three full seasons.

965
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was cut or released in

966
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: between there, but if if that is accurate, then I

967
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: would say he probably was given a jersey enough to

968
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: accrue at least two seasons during that period of time.

969
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: But once again, all speculation without knowing for sure how

970
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: many games he was active. While you look at that,

971
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: I want to get to tweet as well. But but

972
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: it's an important part of the dialogue. There's no doubt

973
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: about that. So here's a tweet. This comes from at

974
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: jag F podcast. It's only his third year and there's

975
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: the fifth year option on the table. But this is

976
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: certainly a contract year for Evan Ingram if he can

977
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: prove it could be a consistent offensive weapon without Odell Beckham,

978
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: look for a long term deal to be signed by

979
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: the next draft. Well, I don't know if we have

980
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: to go that far. Here's what I would agree with

981
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: this tweet poll. It's his third year, it's an important year,

982
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: it's a potential breakout year. That's how I would look

983
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: at the third year to say it's a contract year.

984
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: The fact that the Giants have him under their control

985
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: with the fifth year option gives them more flexibility to evaluate.

986
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't go so far to say that this

987
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: is a must contract here, but it's an important year

988
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: for Evan Ingram. I would totally agree. So that I

989
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: think would be the way that I would respond to that.

990
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: At a j Marshall three. I don't know too much

991
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: about safety Kenny Ladler. He had been making a name

992
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: for himself in O. T A. S. So I guess

993
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: it's a question if it's noticeable he's made some place

994
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: here and there. He's certainly flashed. I think he's a

995
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: guy that they'll they'll look at during the course of

996
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: training camp. In the preseason. We we've we've seen him

997
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: in coverage and do some good things, been around a

998
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: couple of turnovers. I I wouldn't dispute that at all.

999
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: But again, my problem with the Giant secondary is that

1000
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many safeties they're gonna be able

1001
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: to keep. I mean, do you keep nine or ten

1002
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: defensive backs? Usually it's five corners and four safeties. That's

1003
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: the usual breakdown. Sometimes we've seen though ten in total,

1004
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: with six. It can be done. It can be done.

1005
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: But here's the problem. I look at the corners and

1006
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: if I'm keeping Jenkins, and I'm going to keep Beal,

1007
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna keep the three rookies Baker, Law

1008
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: and Valentine, and I'm certainly keeping Haley. Okay, said I

1009
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: got you at six or it gives me the six

1010
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: corners already. So you know, if I'm gonna go nine

1011
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: defensive backs, I'm going six corners and three safeties. Well,

1012
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: here's something to add. Jabril Peppers could play corner, has

1013
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: the ability to do love love can also play safety. Correct,

1014
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: So we think does that then influence if they feel

1015
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: they have interchangeable pieces at both positions? How does that

1016
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: impact the mindset Paul of do we keep the extra

1017
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: quarter or do we keep the extra Let's just say

1018
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: those six corners around the fifty three. Then you've got

1019
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: Peppers and Thomas. Those are your nine defensive backs as

1020
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. Right there, those are your nine.

1021
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: There's there's no room for anybody else. If you're gonna

1022
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: go nine, you're gonna have to stretch to ten. And

1023
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: then you have the conversation. If you stretch to ten,

1024
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: do you keep the extra corner or do you keep

1025
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: the extra safety? Where's Sean Chandler in this mix? I

1026
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: was going to be another name. Tony Lippett is another

1027
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: name I think is relevant in this conversation. Cameron Moore,

1028
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: who's mainly a special teams guy. Hamilton's very good special

1029
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: there's another guy. So yeah, they got some things to

1030
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: think about. But you know what, if you're coaching they

1031
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,959
Speaker 1: have you want to be pressed to think it's good, right,

1032
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: it's good. You don't want to be saying, all right,

1033
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: we know ours unless somebody stuns us, we've got nothing

1034
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: to talk about. It's good. Just remember, though, if you

1035
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: keep ten defensive backs, you're stealing a spot from another

1036
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: position because you don't usually keep tend If you keep ten,

1037
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: that means somebody got shure changed on another place on

1038
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: the roster. Well, this reminds me of the conversation running

1039
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: back slash fullback, because I would argue it's similar. What

1040
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: happens with Elijah Penny could very well determine where they

1041
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: go with running back. You know, maybe you keep two

1042
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: running backs and Pennies your third, and that's it, and

1043
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: you don't go to four. I'm just giving a hypothetical.

1044
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's very likely, but I'm keeping Blackman,

1045
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: Perkins and probably Penny. Well, that would push you to four.

1046
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: But if you figure there's more of an emphasis needed

1047
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: on defensive back, remember you gotta take away which maybe

1048
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: why you go two quarterbacks two quarterbacks with the practice

1049
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: squad QB. That's why most teams are keeping two quarterbacks.

1050
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines before we wrap up shop.

1051
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: Will is in Houston. Will, welcome to the program. What

1052
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: do you have for us? Yeah, you guys, just totally

1053
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: so much thunder right there center, waiting to talk about

1054
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: the full back and there you go. Oh, it's good

1055
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: talking with you. Well, thanks so much. Sorry now, no,

1056
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: it's it's it's all cool. So the first thing I

1057
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: want to talk about real quick, just so don't take

1058
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: up too much of your time, was in regards to

1059
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: the offensive line and penerally have another example for you,

1060
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: which actually I think this last game of the year

1061
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys was I think it was second and

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Speaker 1: one from the seven yard line. Barkley bounces out of run,

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Speaker 1: gets the first down. It's going to be first and

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Speaker 1: goal from the four. Score touchdown and go up to

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00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: possessions and you win the game. That that run for

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Speaker 1: the first sound gets called back from a holding on

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Speaker 1: chat Wheeler brings us back to second and twelve from

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Speaker 1: the fifteen. We settled for a field goal. Cowboys win

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Speaker 1: the game. And again you can talk about the defense

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Speaker 1: making us stop, but again you run the ball. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: score a touchdown. You finished the game one offense the

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Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be done. Just another example of

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Well and well, no, that's a great example.

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Speaker 1: One other will before I know, you want to make

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Speaker 1: a point elsewhere. One that just jumped into my mind

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00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: the first Philadelphia game. It was the Thursday night game

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Speaker 1: where Carson went to the Eagles jumped out to such

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Speaker 1: a big lead, if memory serves me correctly, there was

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Speaker 1: the big short pass to Barkley where then he made

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Speaker 1: that big run and he ran wild around the entire

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Speaker 1: Eagles defense from right to left. They got into the

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00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: red zone, they were backed up because of a penalty

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Speaker 1: on an offensive lineman. I don't remember the offensive linement

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head, and I think they

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Speaker 1: may have even knocked themselves out a field goal range

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Speaker 1: after it result said and done because of the penalties?

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00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Are they just settled for three points? But to not

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00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: walk away with much of anything after humongous change the

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00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: momentum play by Barkley is another perfect example to what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, it was a killer lest year

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Speaker 1: for sure. Um. And then one last thing, I wanna

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Speaker 1: talk about this with the full back. I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: get your guys to putty know, Paul, you just laid

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Speaker 1: out your scenario with running backs. Ye, I think you

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00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: said Barkley, Gollman, Perkins and Penny. I'm thinking about in

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Speaker 1: terms of again i'll cim on in in phrase here to

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Speaker 1: like like smell the production per roster spot. I guess

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Speaker 1: you can call it a versatility if if you have

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Speaker 1: someone like Rob Smith, who I think has been toyed

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Speaker 1: with with the idea of playing pullback. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's at it early in his career with the Cowboys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you know, with someone that's versed until enough to

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00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: play tailback that can catch the ball out of the backfield,

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00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: that's big. I think he's almost the same size as

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00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: Penny Um. You know, if he can play fullback, that

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00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: opens up a roster spot where then you have Barkley,

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00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: Gallman and Smith, which leaves Penny and Um and Perkins

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00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: is the odd man out. That opens up a lot

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00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: of opportunities there for your wide receiver and a defensive

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00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: backs depth. So again, if you can get that production

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00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: out of a player equal or value for a roster spot,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that makes a lot of sense too.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how that composition or kind

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Speaker 1: of personnel kind of sways throughout training camp, to see

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Speaker 1: maybe where they're lined up. I'm really curious to see

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Speaker 1: how that plays out. So I'm gonna leave you guys

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Speaker 1: to that. I appreciate taking my calm. Well, thanks for

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Speaker 1: weighing in. Even more important to start watching the preseason games.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's no question that training camp will give

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Speaker 1: us some hints as to which way Pat Shermer wants

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00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: to go with that spot. But the preseason games are

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00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: going to tell a lot of that story. Because if

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Speaker 1: they start using Penny or Rod Smith as a fullback

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Speaker 1: and they find out that they're not getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of traction from either guy, well, one possibility is you

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Speaker 1: just do away with the spot. Another possibility is you

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00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: go grab a fullback off somebody else's team off the

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Speaker 1: waiver wire, which that could happen before last season. And

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Speaker 1: look at how many new faces they brought and it

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00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: took some time for those guys to get acclimated. But

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm not necessarily looking at the flexibility that's

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Speaker 1: created by keeping Rod Smith versus Elijah Penny Paul, because see,

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Speaker 1: if you keep Elijah Penny on the roster. Penny gives

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Speaker 1: you enough versatility where he could play fullback, Penny could

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Speaker 1: catch the ball in the backfield. And Penny also, don't forget,

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Speaker 1: Penny was the starting running back for the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: at one So I guess my point is Penny and

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Speaker 1: Rod Smith. To me, it's more about execution consistency in

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Speaker 1: the preseason, because they're both versatile enough where they both

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Speaker 1: Penny more so could be every down fullback. They both

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Speaker 1: can catch the ball in the backfield Paul, and they

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Speaker 1: both can be running backs. So you're not really gaining

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Speaker 1: much more over the other if you keep one of

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Speaker 1: the two. That's what I mean. See for me, I've

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Speaker 1: had people say to me, well, is it gonna be

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Speaker 1: Rod Smith or Paul Perkins? I disagree. I think it's

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Speaker 1: Penny against Smith. To me, Perkins is a different animal.

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Speaker 1: I I consider Perkin. I consider Perkins a terrific third

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Speaker 1: down back. He just fits that to a t. That's

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Speaker 1: not the case with Smith, Smith and Penny. Smith and

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01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: Penny are more of that hybrid fullback slash running back

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01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: then they are third down specialist. Although Smith has done

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Speaker 1: some of that in his career. To me, it's Penny

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Speaker 1: versus Smith, and maybe you keep one of them, maybe

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Speaker 1: you keep neither. Well. But also I would argue, and

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Speaker 1: this is why this conversation is so interesting. Wayne Goldman

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01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: can easily be my third down back, though Paul he

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: can do that too, So you can do that to

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Speaker 1: My thought process is Barkley and Goldman cover every down

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Speaker 1: for the running game, right I'm covered one through three,

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Speaker 1: fourth down even I'm covered, and then I keep my fullback.

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Speaker 1: So I think from just a mathematical breakdown, right there,

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Speaker 1: you can get away with three two running backs, and

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Speaker 1: then the third guy is a running back slash fullback

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Speaker 1: with the injury potential for that position. I find it

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Speaker 1: very hard to believe they would only go with a

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Speaker 1: combination of only three running backs. What about John Hillman

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Speaker 1: keeping him on the practice squad, the young guy out

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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: of Rutger's well again, no, no, But the meaning is

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Speaker 1: I thought Robert Martin was a really good practice squad

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Speaker 1: one ultimately with sacrifice for Rod Smith. Right, So, um,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem keeping a running back on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad. Heck, you might even want to keep two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get a ten man practice squad, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not It's not unheard of to keep two on there.

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Speaker 1: Well before we go here because interestingly, and we may

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Speaker 1: not get to the bottom of the answer, is Perkins eligible?

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Speaker 1: I think Perkins is eligible for practice squad? Well, think

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Speaker 1: about it. He was out all of last season, so

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Speaker 1: he's played as two seasons. He would still be eligible

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Speaker 1: at least. I'm pretty sure Perkins may still be eligible

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: for the practice squad. Just dangling that out there, I

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01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: could be wrong. We'd have to get clarification. That may

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: be possible. Again, I I we have to talk about

1185
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: the practice squad possibilities because they are a very realistic,

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: strategic option. When you're formulating your fifty three at the

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: same time without having up to date clarification on the

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of those rules, it can be very sticky

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01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: having that conversation because we could be going in the

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Speaker 1: wrong direction without having the correct information. So these are

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01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: things we have to check on as we get closer

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Speaker 1: to training camp. That's gonna wrap up the latest edition

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Speaker 1: a Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: your phone calls, appreciate your tweets. We will carry on

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Speaker 1: with the conversation tomorrow at noon Eastern for Paul to Tino,

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest of your Wednesday, and

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Speaker 1: as always, stay lot to Giants dot com have a

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