1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Hey, it's we're back on normal. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: So normal it's taking for when the news kids weird. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 3: I am Mary Kaffers. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 4: And I am Carol Markolitz. How are you doing, Mary Catherine. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 5: We're doing all right. 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: We're having quite a week. 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 5: Two kids with croup. 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: One dog had surgery because the allegedly smartest dog on 9 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: the planet ate a microfiber towel. 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: So he lost his crown. He lost his crown. 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: Sometimes smart people and dogs do not so smart things. 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: It's fine, We're fine, fine, we're getting through it. We're 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: getting through it all right. Dog's doing well, So we 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: got that going forward. 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 4: We're rooting for the dog. Hoping the kids feel better soon. 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 4: And hope you're doing Hope you're holding up over there. 17 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all right. 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 4: Well, we've got sort of a California heavy episode of 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 4: both of our first topics touch on it. Katie Porter 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 4: is the front runner to be the Democratic nominee for 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 4: the governor of California. She's poised to take. 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 6: Over from Gavin and she was having what could only 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 6: be described as a fairly softball interview at CBS when 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 6: she completely lost her mind. 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 4: Let's roll that clip. 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 7: What do you say to the forty percent of California 27 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 7: voters who you'll need. 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 8: In order to win, who voted for Trump. 29 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 9: How would I need them in order to win? 30 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 7: Man, Well, unless you think you're going to get sixty 31 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 7: percent of the vote, you think you'll get sixty percent? 32 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 7: All everybody who did not vote for Trump will vote 33 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 7: for you, that's what you're. 34 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 9: In a general election. Yes, if it is me versus 35 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 9: a Republican, I think that I will win the people 36 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 9: who did not vote for Trump. 37 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 8: And if it's you versus another Democrat. 38 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 9: I don't intend that to be the case. 39 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 8: So how do you not intend that to be the case? 40 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 8: Do you? Are you going to ask them not to run? 41 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 9: No? No, I'm saying I'm going to build the support. I 42 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 9: have the support already in terms of name recognition, and 43 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 9: so I'm going to do the very best I can 44 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 9: to make sure that we get through this primary in 45 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 9: a really strong position. But let me be clear with you. 46 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 9: I represented Orange County. I represented a purple area. I 47 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 9: have stood on my own two feet and one Republican 48 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 9: votes before. That's not something every candidate in this race 49 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 9: can say. If you're from a deep blue area, if 50 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 9: you're from LA or you're from Oakland, you don't have 51 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 9: an experience. 52 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 8: You just said you don't need those Trump voters. 53 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 9: Well, you asked me if I need them to win? 54 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 8: You don't. 55 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 9: I think like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question? 56 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 7: The question is the same thing I asked everybody that 57 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 7: this is being called the empowering voters to stop Trump's 58 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 7: power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question. 59 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 9: This is not and I said I support it. 60 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 7: So and the question is what do you say to 61 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 7: the forty percent of voters who voted for Trump? 62 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 9: Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you 63 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 9: need them to win? Part that I don't understand. I'm 64 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 9: happy to answer the question aswer. The question is you 65 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 9: haven't written and all answer. 66 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 7: And we've also asked the other candidates do you think 67 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 7: you need any of those forty percent of California voters 68 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 7: to win? 69 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 8: And you're saying no, you don't. 70 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 9: No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every 71 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 9: vote I can. And what I'm saying to you. 72 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 8: Is that, well, to those voters, Okay, so you I. 73 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 9: Don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it. 74 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 9: Thank you. 75 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 8: You're not going to do the interview with them. 76 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 9: No, not like this. I'm not not with seven follow 77 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 9: ups to every single question you ask. 78 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 8: Every other candidate has. 79 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 9: I don't care. I don't care. I want to have 80 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 9: a pleasant, positive conversation which you asked me about every 81 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 9: issue on this list. And if every question you're going 82 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 9: to make up a follow up question, then we're never 83 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 9: going to get there and we're just going to circle away. 84 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 9: I've had to do this before ever. 85 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 7: You've never had to have an anmation. Okay, but every 86 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 7: other candidate has done this. 87 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 9: What part of I'm me? I'm reading for governor because 88 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 9: I'm a leader, So I am going to make so. 89 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 8: You're not going to answer questions from reporters. Okay, why 90 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 8: don't we go through. 91 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 7: I will continue to ask follow up questions because that's 92 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 7: my job as a journalist, but I will go through 93 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 7: and ask these and if you don't want to answer, 94 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 7: you don't want to answer, so nearly every legislative. 95 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 9: I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you, 96 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 9: and I don't want this all on camera. 97 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 7: I don't want to have an unhappy ax you either. 98 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 7: I would love to continue to ask these questions so 99 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 7: that we can show our viewers what every candidate feels 100 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 7: about every one of these issues that they care about, 101 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 7: and redistricting it's a massive issue. We're going to do 102 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 7: an entire story just on the responses to that question 103 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 7: and have asked everybody the same follow up question. 104 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: Hidden in that insanity was a normal answer that she 105 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: couldn't limit herself to. 106 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 10: It's crazy, it's so embarrassing this this person is so 107 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 10: insufferable and so soft. The action is the question is simply, 108 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 10: forty percent of Californians voted for Trump. 109 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 2: You're running to be governor. 110 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: You might end up in a head to head with 111 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: a Republican, but regardless, what what do you think about 112 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: reaching out to those people? It's just analytics their own race, 113 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: and she can't do it. 114 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like, don't need them, don't need them. And 115 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: you know what, I sort of get what she's saying. 116 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: She's like, why would I need forty percent when I 117 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 4: can get the sixty percent? Because ma'am, you might not 118 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 4: win that whole sixty Like hello, and that's what this 119 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 4: very nice reporter was trying to explain to her, Like, 120 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: then you're going to need the entire sixty in order 121 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 4: to win, and she's like, I'm going to get the 122 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 4: entire sixty you know. I was telling this story to 123 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 4: somebody today and they were like, Oh, is that the 124 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 4: new CBS? 125 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 5: Like, no, it's the old CBS. It's that very wise CBS. 126 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: This is like, also, come on, I think this is 127 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: so revealing of the world in which California Democrats Democrats barely, 128 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: but California Democrats one state, one party rule in a state, 129 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: type of people in which they live, which is she 130 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: sees this reporter as her pr person. 131 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 132 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 5: She's like, why are you messing up my moment? 133 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: She says, and she says, I've never had to do 134 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: this ever. 135 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: You've never had to answer follow up question, a clarified 136 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: follow up question, yeah, to a very easy question to 137 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: start with, so that that's betraying something. She then says 138 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: she wants to have a positive interaction with this person. 139 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: That's not the reporter's job. She's being perfectly pleasant, but 140 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: that is not her job. And then she says, I'm 141 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: calling it, ma'am. Do you know how a camera works. 142 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 5: I can't call it. What are you talking about? She like, 143 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 5: I don't want to do this on camera. You already 144 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 5: did you did it on camera. It's too late, too late. 145 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: This is just a I said this on Fox this morning. 146 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: This is the bare minimum for doing politics. 147 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: It's just you have to think about all the voters 148 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: and you have to just at least entertain how you 149 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: might talk to all of them. 150 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 5: They just don't know at all. 151 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: And it's so bad for them. I know, we talked 152 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: about this all the time. It is so bad for 153 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 4: the Democrats that they are never challenged because when they 154 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 4: are challenge and the most peaceful. 155 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 5: Calm way, they lose the plot. 156 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 4: I will say, though she is not known for being 157 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 4: peaceful or calm. 158 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: No. 159 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: Katie Porter's ex husband, who by the way, filed a 160 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: restraining order against her, says that she poured scalding mashed 161 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: potatoes on his head. Now, I know people say all 162 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: kinds of things when they're getting divorced, but that's pretty 163 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 4: darn specific. 164 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 8: Yeah. 165 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: She also famously berated at least one staffer for having 166 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: quote unquote given her COVID, and she goes real hard 167 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: in the texts on this poor woman, who I think 168 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: was breathed at. 169 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: The time or something. 170 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: There was something going on in that staffer's life, and 171 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: it's just brutal. And then I think we noted that 172 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: our friend Joshar got to I think two responses from 173 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: former Katie Porter staffers who were like, hey, imagine what 174 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: she's like with the cameras off. 175 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that lady. I mean, good luck California because she 176 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: is the front runner. 177 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 5: I do. 178 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: I think, like I always tell my kids that a 179 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: good attitude is like a huge part of succeeding in life. 180 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: And you know, you got to put a smile on 181 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: your face, you know, maybe and then they're going to 182 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: pull this video on me someday and be like, mom, 183 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: this woman became governor for. 184 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: You who knows when they were being the president of 185 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: the United States, you know, who knows how far she will? 186 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 5: Soar she was in the house. 187 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: By the way, She'm on that Purple County for not 188 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: sniffing her out. 189 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 4: Like come on, where was that? 190 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: And like, by the way, this is a real Iraq 191 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: Iran situation. But I enjoy that Adam Schiff snaked her 192 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: out of the senator position, which is the last thing 193 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: she ran for. 194 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: So she has lost before well she how it goes. 195 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, I've always had a warm spot 196 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: for California. I you know, like I always like to 197 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: tell people, it used to be my plan B like 198 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 4: when New York. If New York would to go to shit, 199 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: I'd go to California. 200 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: Like what, that's a sweet thought, you summer child. 201 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I love California. 202 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: I would love to see it be a normal place 203 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: with normal people, Yeah, living normally. 204 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: And it has so many normal people. And Steve Hilton 205 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: is the geoe. If there's other people in that primary 206 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: as well, it's a jungle primary, which means everything vote 207 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: for anyone in the primary, Democrat or Republican. Steve Hilton 208 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: is in their former Fox uh Fox. He's great, Yeah, 209 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: host and he's great. So that was the point that 210 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: this reporter was trying to make. It's like you might 211 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: not necessarily be up against it, right, right, and then 212 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: you have to do more work, right, And she was like, 213 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: you might be up to get a Democrat. And she's like, well, 214 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that doesn't happen. 215 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 5: Like how you can add. 216 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: By probably by being super mean to everyone and putting 217 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: mass potatoes. 218 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: Directing them with like cott mashed potatoes. 219 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: I just I I know this is. 220 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: Where we are, but what do better at California. 221 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: Peach what to peach that lady is. 222 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're going to take a short break and 223 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 4: be right back with. 224 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 5: More on Normally. 225 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Normally, where our second topic is political violence. 226 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 4: There seems to be a lot of. 227 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 5: It lately, and you know, people are kind of. 228 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: Losing the plot a little bit. And I know if 229 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 4: this is the second time I've used that phrase in 230 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 4: the last two segments, but it really feels like people 231 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 4: are losing it. A few days ago, a judge's home 232 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 4: exploded on a South Carolina island. She's a liberal South 233 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 4: Carolina judge, Diane Goodstein. Her home burnt to the ground, 234 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 4: her family barely escaped. Apparently she had gotten threats, although 235 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 4: we don't really know if that's true. A friend of mine, 236 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 4: who I like him a lot, and I'm not going 237 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 4: to call him out by name, but wrote to me 238 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: and said, a Jewish judge's home is burning in an 239 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 4: explosion that's been labeled Arsin less than a day after 240 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: Steven Miller tweeted that liberal judges are shielding an indirection 241 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 4: by left wing terrorists. Now you use your considerable platform 242 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 4: to condemn this, I was like, we don't even know 243 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: what happened, yet I like it could be a pre 244 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 4: Palestine lefty. We have no idea, Like, literally no idea 245 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: what happened here. I'm going to hold off and wait. 246 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: To my friend's credit, it turns out that it's not 247 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 4: oursin looks like it's not Arson, and he apologized, which 248 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 4: is the correct thing to do in that situation. But 249 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 4: this rush to judgment. Not everything that happens to political 250 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: figures is going to have a political motive. And I 251 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: think we're in a moment right now where the left 252 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: is really hoping that some right wingers do some crazy 253 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 4: things so that they can point to it and be like, see, 254 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: you guys have a problem too, But it is all 255 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 4: mostly coming from one side. And while you guys wait 256 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: to find that, here's a story from Mary Catherine about 257 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 4: yet another left is it? 258 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: It does seem at the moment this month, the demand 259 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: for right wing VI is outstripped, is really outstripping the supply, 260 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: And like, look, like you said, we could we could 261 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: see something different in the future, but this one, this 262 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: is from DC and I heard about this story, and 263 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: much like you, in the early going, I was like, 264 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to comment on that because it looks suspicious. Yeah, 265 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: but I don't know happened. 266 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: Here's what happened. 267 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: A man arrested outside the annual Red Mass ceremony held 268 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: at Saint Matthew's Cathedral in DC had over two hundred 269 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: explosive devices in a tent on the church's stairs. According 270 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: to police Lewis Gary forty one, touted homemade explosives when 271 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: officers approached him on the step ahead of the service, 272 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: typically attended by Supreme Court justices to ring in a 273 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: new term. Devices were find found inside his front pocket 274 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: and a backpack he was carrying on the scene, in 275 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: addition to a tent encampment set up in close proximity 276 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: to the cathedral, which side of the aisle likes tent encampments. 277 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: It turns out he's anti Scotus, anti Jew, anti Catholic. 278 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: It just like when we don't know a right winger, 279 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: when we don't know. 280 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 5: Pause, Yeah, when we do know, let's deal with it. 281 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: And this one seems particularly scary, as I believe last 282 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: year at the Red Mass, at least three Conservative justices 283 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: attended that mass. So if you're looking to do damage, 284 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: as we know that at least one other would be 285 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: assassin has been looking to do and has now been 286 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: sentenced to only eight years in prison. Yep, by the way, 287 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: just a little idea, maybe you're incentivizing more of this 288 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: by not punishing it very dramatically exactly. 289 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: So that's what's going on there, and I want to 290 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 2: add this to it. 291 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi was on Dana Bash's show this week, asked 292 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: about j Jones's texts, and let's just hear the rousing 293 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: condemnations she had for that. 294 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 11: Should he get out of the race, that's up to 295 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 11: the people, the leaders in Virginia. They have said, he 296 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 11: has apologized. What I understand is they say that on 297 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 11: balance he's the better person to be attorney general. But 298 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 11: that's up to them. But I wish there would be 299 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 11: enough fuss of all the times that people have said 300 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 11: they were going to put a bullet in my head 301 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 11: right in public, in the public. 302 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 8: Because of that, which that's one of the reasons I 303 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 8: wanted to ask you that you are somebody who knows 304 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 8: all too well in in a horrific way, we. 305 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 11: Have to get rid of that kind of language. I mean, 306 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 11: it's just not appropriate. 307 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 9: If you were Abigail Spamberger, who's the Democrat running for 308 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 9: a governor, would you call on him to step beside? 309 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 11: But she has to do. She's going to be governor. 310 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 11: She's running very well. Everybody's very proud of her candidacy. 311 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 11: And her race is her race, and her state is 312 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 11: her state, and it's up to her. I really don't 313 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 11: get involved in other people's races. 314 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 4: That the mayor of New York that this of that. 315 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 11: It's up to the people in that state. I respect 316 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 11: their judgment and wish them well. 317 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, Nancy just says, like, on balance, I think 318 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: he's probably better than the normy Republican AG. 319 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: That's what I've heard, so should be fine. 320 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's totally fine. He just wants to 321 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: murder the children of his political opponents because the parents 322 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: were nice to moderate Democrats. I mean, it's just bananas. 323 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: As we're recording this, a man has been arrested for 324 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: setting the fires in California, A Florida man. Sorry, guys, 325 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: but we don't know his politics yet, although they are 326 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: chomping at a bit to be like, well, it's from Florida, 327 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 4: so he must be a conservative. But it really also 328 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: betrays the whole climate change set this fire and I 329 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: want to hear some people maybe apologize for that, or 330 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: you know, have some thoughts about not immediately jumping to 331 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: your issue of the moment in order to lay blame 332 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: for any natural disaster or horrific event. Take a pause, 333 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 4: take a beat, think it over, wait, refect. These are 334 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: all normal things to do when things go bad. 335 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: Take a pause. Twenty four hour rule. 336 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty four hour rules should actually be applied to everything. 337 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: Like when you get any kind of news, just give 338 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 4: it twenty four hours. You don't have to run with 339 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 4: us your version of events, right, Hey, yeah. 340 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: This happens on so many immigrant stories too, which I 341 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: look into all of them, right, because I am concerned 342 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: with Ice overstepping. 343 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: I am concerned with Trump doing things you shouldn't do, and. 344 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Invariably outside of like two of them, you come across so. 345 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: Much more pertinent pertinent information. Oh. 346 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: By the way, two lefties were arrested for ramming ice 347 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: vehicles in the Chicago area and they were let out 348 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: on veail. 349 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: Right, And there's a story that's what they didn't step 350 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,239 Speaker 3: in to help Ice, And that is really a misuse 351 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: of you know, government officials telling police to stand down 352 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: because they're anti ice. 353 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: Your political opinion shouldn't be involved with who the police 354 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: step into help. I think it's just atrocious Governor Pritzkers 355 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 4: using the police in a manner that I think people 356 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 4: are afraid that Donald Trump will use the police. And 357 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 4: you know it is so irony there as. 358 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: Well wait for your info. 359 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: Yeah not, that's all right. We'll be right back with 360 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 4: more on normally where a Supreme Court case this should 361 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: be wrapping up in the next day or two on 362 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 4: the question of conversion therapy, but who's doing the converting. 363 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: We'll be right back. We are back on normally where 364 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: the Child's versus Sala's our case is winding its way 365 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 4: through the Supreme Court. 366 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 5: You know it's funny. 367 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 4: Why is Colorado the place where court cases involving free 368 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: speech and religious freedom seemed to be the norm. I mean, 369 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: there's the master Piece Cake Shop case, where of course 370 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: Jack Phillips was forced or you know, they wanted to 371 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: force him to bake the cake. There was also a 372 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 4: website designer who didn't want to make websites for same 373 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: sex marriages because it violated her religious freedom. Supreme Court 374 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 4: ruled in her favor on that. And now Kayleie childs 375 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 4: as a therapist in Colorado, and she's at the center 376 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 4: of this case because she's a devout Christian and people 377 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 4: seek out her services because of her faith to talk 378 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 4: to their children who are having gender dysphoria. 379 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: It's disturbing that the people of Colorado, people of faith 380 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: in Colorado, which is like used to be a normy state, 381 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: they have to go to the Supreme Court. 382 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: Like every time things settled. 383 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 1: She's like, can I do my job? I don't know, 384 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: Let's go to the Supreme Court and figure it out. 385 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 8: No. 386 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: I think this is like, this is one of those 387 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: tricky issues where a lot of places banned, say like 388 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: faith based conversion therapy for young gay kids, right or 389 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: for gay miners, right, And they would say that you 390 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: can't do that anymore. And it is an unpopular opinion. 391 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: But I've always thought that was a First Amendment issue 392 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: because if you aren't allowed to talk about this possibility 393 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 1: versus another possibility, isn't that viewpoint discrimination And doesn't it 394 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: cut against people of faith in particular. So now we're 395 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: going to be testing it, at least in this in 396 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: this gender related area. 397 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I have a column on this. I 398 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 4: think it should be out today Thursday in the New 399 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: York Post. But I actually say that there is not 400 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 4: a lot of evidence that you can convert people out 401 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: of being gay. So it really is a different thing, 402 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: because there's a lot of evidence that you can convert kids, 403 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 4: or not convert, but basically talk to them into accepting 404 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 4: them their bodies as is. And there's a lot of 405 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 4: evidence that kids do outgrow that gender dysphoria. Kids don't 406 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: outgrow when they declare themselves gay. They generally don't outgrow that. 407 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 4: So those are really two different things. The other thing 408 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: is I think when people hear conversion therapy, I picture 409 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 4: the electroshock therapy of the sixties and seventies, Yeah, which 410 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: also didn't work. So this is not that she's talking 411 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 4: to kids and making them accept their bodies as is, 412 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: which is really what we should want, right, I mean, 413 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 4: So in this case, Justice Sonya Soto, my you are 414 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 4: compared it to a dietitian telling an anorexic patient to 415 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 4: engage in more restricted eating. But in my view, it's 416 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 4: the dietitian in this example is are all the therapists 417 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 4: who are telling these children that they are not in 418 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 4: the correct body and that they could take hormones, and 419 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 4: they can have surgery, and they could do all these 420 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 4: things to change their birth gender. You can't change that. 421 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 4: And no matter what you do, no matter how much 422 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 4: you try, you remain the gender that you were born into. 423 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter how you dress or how much makeup 424 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: you wear, any of it. You stay what you are. 425 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: So to me, the example here is child's is the 426 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 4: Dietitian From that example. 427 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it's disturbing to me as a mom. 428 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: And I know you guys wrote about this and stolen Use, 429 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: which is yours in Bethany Mandel's book the book and 430 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Abi Yelschurer writes it about it as well. 431 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: And it's not bad therapy. But there is this concern, 432 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: and I have it as a. 433 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: Normy right leaning mom of faith, is that these professional 434 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: associations that license therapists or states in this case, require 435 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: that they go down certain therapeutic paths exactly. 436 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, when maybe my kid just needs to talk to somebody. 437 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: But as soon as I send my kid in there, 438 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: if your solution to their problem is that they might 439 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: be another gender, that's going to be a problem for me. 440 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 4: Right. 441 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: But if the professional association you're working with. 442 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: Or the state that you live in requires that that's 443 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: how you treat issues. 444 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: Then you're you're in a bind and the whole profession 445 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: is in trouble. 446 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: That's right. 447 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing. 448 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 4: All these licensing organizations, they make them handle problems in 449 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 4: a certain way. And I understand a Christian family in 450 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 4: Colorado would want to talk to a Christian therapist who 451 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: would have their same values and their same kind of 452 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: ideals and how she treats their child. The fact that 453 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 4: this has to get to the Supreme Court, like you said, 454 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: it's banana, is that Colorado just keeps pushing these people 455 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 4: into it. Masterpiece Cake Shop is in another court case 456 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 4: where this time he didn't make a cake for a 457 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: transgender I believe, wedding. It just goes on and on 458 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 4: and on, and it's really wrong. I remember when Colorado 459 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: was a normal state. I worked in Colorado on the 460 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 4: Bush two thousand and four campaign. It was a red state. 461 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Yes, No, there's so many great things in Colorado, including 462 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: friend of the show Kelly Maher, who does great work 463 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: out there. But the idea that these totally normal people 464 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: have to drag themselves to the Supreme Court and thank goodness. 465 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: There are good organizations like Allions Defending Freedom that take 466 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: up these cases so they don't break themselves having to 467 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: do it. But you know, the emotional toll and the 468 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: financial toll, and the toll to their actual business that 469 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: they're trying to conduct on a day to day basis 470 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: is very, very high to get through these battles to 471 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: be like a semi public figure, which they never planned 472 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: on being before. 473 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: We chose this life. They did not totally. 474 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, we chose the stupid life. 475 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 8: Yeah. 476 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 5: She's just a therapist. She just wants to help kids. 477 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 4: She just wants to talk to people and help them 478 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 4: with their problems. And there has to be more than 479 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: one way to do that. And it is a free 480 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 4: speech issue. Talk therapy should be the way that it 481 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 4: gets solved in these therapists office. It can't be one 482 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 4: way or no other way. 483 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: Well, it feels like an extension of sort of the 484 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: lefty college take on speech in general, which is like, 485 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: the truth is already decided. Yeah, the solution is already decided. 486 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: And the discussion somebody must say, we can't talk about 487 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 4: it further. 488 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: And the truth is both in a doctor's office, whether 489 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: it's COVID vaccines, or gender dysphoria, or in a college 490 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: setting you need to talk about it. 491 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us on Normally. 492 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere 493 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 4: you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us at 494 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: normallythepodat gmail dot com. Thanks for listening and when things 495 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: get weird at normally