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Speaker 1: you were on vacation, I'll tell you quickly, like some

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Speaker 1: people have heard about it or whatever, but I'll kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about it. Like there's this huge zoom call

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Speaker 1: that I was on. Um it was organized by a

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Speaker 1: bunch of like it was organized by black coaches, but

434
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Speaker 1: it wasn't just black coaches and people on the call.

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Speaker 1: But let me tell you, DJ I was on a

436
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Speaker 1: zoom call last Thursday that started. It was organized by

437
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Speaker 1: Alonzo Carter. He's a running back coach at Santose State,

438
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 1: but on the call, James Franklin, Mike London, Marvin Lewis

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Speaker 1: rough and McNeil um any and everybody that was a

440
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Speaker 1: notable name was on the call, and so DJ seven

441
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Speaker 1: hours on a call just it was just kind of

442
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Speaker 1: like a free, fluent exchange of not only like ideas

443
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Speaker 1: of of like a where coaches are in the current

444
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Speaker 1: state or whatever, but just talking about like a building,

445
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: building programs, whatever, and nothing could be X ANDOS related.

446
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: It only could be from a philosophical how do we help?

447
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: How do I advance? If you take over? If I

448
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: took over, like what would I think about or whatever?

449
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: And let me tell you, man, it was fascinating And

450
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: I think it was fascinating because you and I've experienced

451
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: this when we've interviewed people privately and publicly, people have

452
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Speaker 1: a tendency to want to open up and man to

453
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Speaker 1: get people's authentic selves like away from ay I'm representing

454
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Speaker 1: my university, but to get their authentic ideas about how

455
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Speaker 1: to build, how to construct, how we can make it better.

456
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Speaker 1: What advice you would give to a young player, a

457
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Speaker 1: young scout, a young coach that wants to kind of

458
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Speaker 1: get in the way how to navigate through UM And

459
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 1: the common denominated that I heard from so many people

460
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Speaker 1: make the job the place that you're at the best job,

461
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Speaker 1: meaning yeah, be where your feet are, like really focused

462
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Speaker 1: on doing the best job that you can, um where

463
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Speaker 1: you're at. And if that means that, I'm a g

464
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Speaker 1: A and my job is to make all the cut

465
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Speaker 1: ups or to do that, man, do it to the

466
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Speaker 1: best of your ability, Like, don't think about the next step.

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Speaker 1: And I know a lot of times you and I

468
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Speaker 1: get asked and question, hey, how can we advance or whatever?

469
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Speaker 1: And I think the only thing, the best advice that

470
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Speaker 1: we can give, man, work your tail off when you

471
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Speaker 1: do get an opportunity, be an internship, be it a

472
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Speaker 1: volunteer thing, be it you submitting reports on your own

473
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Speaker 1: man work UM as if it's the most important thing,

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Speaker 1: uh that you have going and pour all that in

475
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: because people want passionate people, and you can feel the

476
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Speaker 1: passion that people have. And so that seven hours Zoom

477
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Speaker 1: call was outstanding. Man. I I took so many notes,

478
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: like my notebook is full, but it was it was great.

479
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: Kevin someone was also on that call and just talking

480
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Speaker 1: about the pandemic and all the stuff that people are

481
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Speaker 1: working around. DJ. This is a unique set of circumstances.

482
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Speaker 1: I don't know what this is going to look like

483
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Speaker 1: in the fall for everybody, because it's it's different. I mean,

484
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Speaker 1: it's just a different it's just a different time. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: I heard a great line. I think it's from our

486
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Speaker 1: buddy Mike McCartney, who's who told me about this because

487
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Speaker 1: he represents the only players, but some young coaches, And

488
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Speaker 1: he said, make sure your focus is always on learning,

489
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Speaker 1: not on leaving, because when you start getting your focus

490
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Speaker 1: on leaving, you miss out on opportunities that you could

491
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Speaker 1: be learning and growing in the position that you're in

492
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Speaker 1: right now. So I think that's kind of another way

493
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: to kind of say what you were doing is where

494
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Speaker 1: you are right now. You're gonna do the best job

495
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Speaker 1: that can possibly done in the role at which you have,

496
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Speaker 1: and then with that success, you'll get greater opportunities and

497
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: then you get a chance to advance. But we know guys,

498
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Speaker 1: we call them climbers, right, We call them climbers in

499
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: the scouting community, where it's always you know, hey, this

500
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Speaker 1: you're they always want to hear this guy's moving to

501
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Speaker 1: this guy. Now this is gonna open up, and I

502
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: know this person, I can have him call this guy.

503
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Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, don't you have like some reports to

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Speaker 1: write or something? Man like? Yeah, worry about the job

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Speaker 1: you got. Yeah. I think I think that's a that's

506
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Speaker 1: a big, big part. And I think you and out

507
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: over the last year and a half have really kind

508
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Speaker 1: of dove into the learning process and like one of

509
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Speaker 1: our things has been like team building, and we've contacted

510
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Speaker 1: people in all areas, be a baseball and be a basketball,

511
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: be a football, like just just figure out like how

512
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Speaker 1: to learn how to do this the best way that

513
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Speaker 1: we can do it. And even though we're on the

514
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Speaker 1: media side at the moment, I still think that we're

515
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Speaker 1: fascinated by the thought of, hey, if you're a task

516
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Speaker 1: with building a team, like what is the best way

517
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Speaker 1: to build a champion that could kind of sustain itself

518
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Speaker 1: year after year after year? And I think, um, that

519
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Speaker 1: allows you to humbly listen to people that have done it,

520
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Speaker 1: Like why you were away a hand opportunity to talk

521
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Speaker 1: to Bill Polian, which was something that I always wanted

522
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Speaker 1: because I heard the lessons from others that I worked

523
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Speaker 1: with but to hear from him or I was on

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Speaker 1: a webinar that Matt Rule was talking to a bunch

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Speaker 1: of high school coaches. And what was great about that,

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Speaker 1: Matt Rules said the same thing to them that he

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Speaker 1: said to us. When I crossed the reference to notes

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Speaker 1: from the webinar to what we did on Move the Sticks,

529
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Speaker 1: it was exactly the same. So it led me to

530
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Speaker 1: believe that what he told us was authentic and what

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Speaker 1: he really believed in. It's the same thing when we've

532
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Speaker 1: interviewed other guys multiple times, Urban Meyer like, it's all

533
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: the same, and so I just I just love that

534
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Speaker 1: part of it. I love reading and consuming all of

535
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Speaker 1: this stuff, and so I kind of like where we're

536
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: at right now when it comes to that. But that

537
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: was the takeaway that, look, man, devote yourself to learning,

538
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Speaker 1: devote yourself to finding mentors, commit to just kind of

539
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Speaker 1: stretching yourself to be the best that you can be

540
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Speaker 1: in your current area, and the other stuff that kind

541
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Speaker 1: of come to you. I know, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of scouts, you know, friends and then and then scouts

543
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Speaker 1: we don't even know that listen to this podcast. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to just take a minute here bucket. It's

545
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Speaker 1: because we have been together and I've been thinking about this,

546
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: and I think it can be helpful to them. But

547
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Speaker 1: I also think it could be helpful to you and

548
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Speaker 1: whatever job or whatever profession that you have. But this

549
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: thought just has been kind of on my on my

550
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: mind and my heart. But I was thinking, Man, if

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Speaker 1: you're a scout right now and we're uncertain about college football,

552
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: we're uncertain. You know, more than likely even if there

553
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Speaker 1: is college football, you won't be going out on the road.

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Speaker 1: You have to find ways to show your value to

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Speaker 1: your organization. So, in other words, this is a period

556
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Speaker 1: of time where normally scouts are like teachers, right, we

557
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: kind of get the summer off. I would be working

558
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Speaker 1: on any on several different projects. I'd be putting things together.

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Speaker 1: I'd be sending them to my college director. I'd be

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00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: sending them to my general manager. Um, I'd be working

561
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Speaker 1: on things, you know, studies in the league. I'll be

562
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: working on studies on college players. I would be trying

563
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Speaker 1: to show that I have value to this organization, because

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Speaker 1: we both know and this is the same in any business,

565
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: not just in our business, in the in the football world.

566
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Speaker 1: As REV News are declining. If you're not gonna have

567
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: fans in the stands, obviously we're gonna have a major

568
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: drop in revenue. Organizations in the NFL and place where

569
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: you might work in any other profession are going to

570
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: be looking for cost saving areas where they can say, Okay,

571
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Speaker 1: does this do we really get a value out of this?

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00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: Do we need this person? Because I don't know if

573
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: the value, Madge, we can save a little bit here,

574
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Let's get this one out, this one out, that one out.

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00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: So I just if I put myself in that situation,

576
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Speaker 1: if I'm a scout and we've done it, I am

577
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: trying to show to my higher ups that I have

578
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: value beyond going into a school and getting background information.

579
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: And I would be doing my darndist at this point

580
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: in time to display that value in a creative way,

581
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: to give something to the organization beyond what I've been

582
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: assigned to do. Yeah, it's funny that you say that, right, DJ.

583
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: So the pandemic has kind of brought about a lot

584
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: of self reflection, a lot of time to reflect from

585
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 1: for me, and so one of the things that I've

586
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: dove into, and I don't even know if I've mentioned

587
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: this to you is I've kind of taken like an

588
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: online writing class just to see if I can become

589
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: better at efficiently communicating my ideas. I know how you

590
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: do it because you write as well, like trying to

591
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: be efficient and trying to be sustinct but powerful concise.

592
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: So when we talk about reading reports when're working for

593
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: a team, when you get these things to come across,

594
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: like a lot of it is like, hey, can you

595
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: get to the point, but get to the point clearly

596
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: and vividly. So in those in an economical sense, I

597
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: can read what you're saying, but envision what the player is.

598
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: So for me, it's kind of like the same thing

599
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: on this side of it. How can I push myself

600
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: to be better in that area so that I can

601
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: communicate effectively to the masses while also presenting the picture

602
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: that I want to present. And so when we talk

603
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: about aspiring scouts or scouts that are in the business, whatever,

604
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: communication is key and your ability to communicate and accurately

605
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: articulate exactly what you see from a player, how you

606
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: project a player. Those skills are transcendent like those us

607
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: go with you. So find something that you can work

608
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: on during this time so you won't come and come

609
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: out of the pandemic at the same level, be better

610
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: than what you were going in. And then to your

611
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: point about the projects, the projects are really really critical

612
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: right now, uh studying teams study in Kansas City, chief

613
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: studying San Francisco forty nine, Studying how the Patriots have

614
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: consistently been on top, dig a little deeper than hey,

615
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: but they've had Tom Brady. Now it's been more than

616
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: just the Tom Brady thing. What have they done from

617
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: a personnel or a team building standpoint to be able

618
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: to be a team that is always near or in

619
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: the winter circle at the end of the year. Those

620
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: are the projects that I would be digging into. The

621
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: quarterback the way the quarterback position has changed right before

622
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: eyes in the last two or three years. Pat Mahomes

623
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: went from being a guy that I know. There's some

624
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: people in the Twitter versity like, oh, I knew he

625
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: was gonna be that, but DJ be honestly like, we

626
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: hadn't seen anything like that translate. Then you go the

627
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: following You see Lamar Jackson have similar success when it

628
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly prototypical in terms of how you was as

629
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Speaker 1: a prospect. Man, I'm digging into these athletic quarterbacks and

630
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what enables them to have

631
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: success at the NFL level and who's the next wave

632
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: of guys that are coming, you know, Like, that's what

633
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that's this is the interaction of that that

634
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: that's so healthy. And I think instead of just parking

635
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: yourself on a beach somewhere, um, using this time to

636
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: create value like I have, we have you just give

637
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: it some great ideas of things to do. One of

638
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: the ones I've had recently is we talked about the

639
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: money down, third down being the money down. I'd be

640
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: curious to know if you look, if we did a

641
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: study and looked at the guys who are most successful

642
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: on third down in the NFL, and it's gonna be guys,

643
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, like Michael Thomas and Cooper Cup and you

644
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Speaker 1: know that group of guys. What did they do in

645
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: third down in college? Was there a carryover? Was there

646
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Speaker 1: a correlation between them being money down players in college

647
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: versus them being money down players in the NFL. What

648
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: if we just looked at all their athletic testing and said, okay,

649
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: these guys, if if there's there some commonality that they

650
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: all have. You know, are they all similar speed? Are

651
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: they all similar size? Um? Is their production thing? Like

652
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: trying to figure out Okay, if we agree this is

653
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: the most important down on football and these guys are

654
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: winning at the professional level, what could we have learned

655
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: about them at the collegiate level that could have forecast

656
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: this success at the NFL level. There's an infinite number

657
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: of projects like that. Yeah, it's funny because you did

658
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: this project and we talked about it on the podcast

659
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: about why receivers and what was interesting? What I think

660
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: you had Jack run the numbers on the top ten

661
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: reception leaders and the top ten receiving leaders, and the

662
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: numbers that we got back, like in terms of their

663
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: averages in terms of size and forty times six six

664
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: to two ten four or five five was the forty

665
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: time and then when we did the receiving yards leaders

666
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: four or five three. So if we think about that

667
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: right and think about how I number we get with

668
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: all the speedsters at the combine. That is great during

669
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Speaker 1: the track meet, but it's uncommon for those guys to

670
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: be the ones that are, you know, the ones that

671
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: are dominating the game. So let's dig into those top

672
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: team guys and see what are the traits that they had,

673
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: not only now, but what do they have in college?

674
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: What did they display? What should I give more weight

675
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: to doing the evaluation process as opposed to a man.

676
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: I love their height, weight, speed, but there has to

677
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: be something else to it that enable those guys to

678
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: have success when they're not the fastest guys on their teams. Ye. No, again,

679
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: you do it with sacks. You can. You can do

680
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: all these different studies. But that's that's my advice to

681
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: just if you're out there, you're listening, you're in a

682
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: scouting world. Make yourself valuable. I don't want to see

683
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: you guys lose your jobs, man, So show your value

684
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: to your organization. And I think it would be not

685
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: only good for the organization, it will be good for

686
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: you in your future. So that that had just been

687
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about. Um buck Uh, I've had

688
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: a chance to look at some of these college kids.

689
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: The only one I wanted to talk about, and you

690
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: can find it. It's the first Look series just NFL

691
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: dot com. Uh slash Daniel Jeremiah. You find all this stuff.

692
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: But um, the one that I had recently Wroten up

693
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: with Davante Smith, the wide receiver from Alabama. And I

694
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: was curious to get your take on this, because how

695
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: much value do you put in too not he led

696
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: the team in and receiving yards and touchdowns, said, but

697
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: they have so many receivers there, him and Waddle will

698
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: be first round picks in this next draft. They had

699
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: Judy and Ruggs for first round picks in last year's draft.

700
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: How much value do you put in the fact that

701
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: when it was money making time, when you talk about

702
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: the National Championship game as a true freshman, when he

703
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: caught the walk off, when you talk at all their

704
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: big games, for all the other flash and stuff you

705
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: get with Judy and Rugs and Wattle, when it's money time,

706
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: this was the guy like, this is where the trust

707
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: was with to A. I'm just curious in your evaluation

708
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: process when you're working through this, how much value do

709
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: you place in that? A ton of value in it. Um.

710
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: People tell you exactly what they think by the way

711
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: the game is called and who they go to in

712
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: those moments. Um. I'll never forget this because Nick Saban

713
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: has said this on on multiple occasions, and he said

714
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: he learned this when he was in high school. His

715
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: high school coach let him call his own plays. And

716
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: there was a time in high school where it was

717
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: the end of the game and he comes to the sideline.

718
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: He goes to the coach and he was like, hey, coach,

719
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: what should we call. He's like, well, what do you

720
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: think we should call? And at that moment, the coach

721
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: told him, in these critical situations, think players, not plays.

722
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: Who's your best player? Let him dictate who takes who

723
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: wins the game. It's like when we're playing basketball, who

724
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: gets the final shot, Hey, Jordan's take it. And so

725
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the fact that DeVante Smith has been the guy that

726
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: numerous occasions the game has gotten tight and critical, the

727
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: ball has found this way to him, it says that

728
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: look subconstantly or not, someone there the quarterback trust that

729
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: he is going to be the guy to make the play.

730
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: So either the quarterback or the play called to believe

731
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: that the ball needs to go to him in the

732
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: critical moment, and he delivers. That speaks volumes about what

733
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: he is and how they think about I think you

734
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: could do the same thing at L s U. Every

735
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: do you talk about Jamaar Chase, But justin Jefferson was

736
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of like when it was go time. Yes, and

737
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: that's not being disrespectful to disparaging Jamar Chase because he's outstanding.

738
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: But I mean those critical moments where the ball goes

739
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: kind of tells you how the coaching staff and how

740
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: everyone thinks about their player. Yeah. No, I agree with that. So, yeah,

741
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He is slender. I mean he

742
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: looks really skinny. Actually I put down. I know he's taller,

743
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: but he just gave me a little bit of a

744
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison vibe just because you know, he just kind

745
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: of glide like that smooth gliding, very efficient as a

746
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: route runner, catches everything. Um, you know, I put in

747
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: the thing. Look, I don't like comparing guys the Hall

748
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: of Famers that I'm not saying he's Marvin Harrison, but

749
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: you see some movement things that kind of remind you

750
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of that slender Marvin Harrison, who was

751
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: as good as it gets, obviously a Hall of Famer. Yeah.

752
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I tend to prefer big comparisons

753
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: because like if I'm sitting there, if we're in the room, um,

754
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I wanted I want my ears to perk up, oh,

755
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: because that mean I really need to go pay attention

756
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: to him like and and this is another note when

757
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: we talk about scouting. Hey man, don't don't play a

758
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: conservative when you really like a guy like you want

759
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: to go big because you want everyone, the directors to

760
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: know how strong did you feel about this guy and

761
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: that potential. So when you say Marvin Harrison, what it

762
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: does to me is I need to pay attention to him,

763
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: and I need to make sure that I have a

764
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: good shot of coffee and everything, so I'm fully awake

765
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that I can evaluate him the way

766
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: that he deserves to be evaluated. Alright, Buck, as we

767
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: kind of finish up here, uh, I don't know if

768
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: you noticed, but see I've got some beard going. Yeah. Look,

769
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: can I tell you the story? Though? Can I tell

770
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: you the story? Because I was got up this morning.

771
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: I was going to respect the show. It's gonna get

772
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: a nice shaven, be nice and clean for the show.

773
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: And then I realized my fourteen year old daughter, who's uh,

774
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: she's up in big Bear, you know, like for for

775
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: the last like four or five days. She hijacked my razor.

776
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: It's gone. She took my razor so so I cannot.

777
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: I cannot be blamed for the scruff that you see,

778
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: I thought, but you can. You can blame your daughter.

779
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: But I believe this is kind of part of the makeover.

780
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Like you went up the quarterlane and you found myself,

781
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Like it was a life changing moment. You went up there,

782
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: and you've become the guy. And all of a sudden,

783
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: now every every off time, you're gonna go fishing, and

784
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: you can be like non, you canna have like a

785
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: little prim ranch and you can have like man go

786
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: in together. We can go in together on a place

787
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: in Montana. I get a little postage stamp up there,

788
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: let's go. You go. You're gonna you're gonna have a

789
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: little manmade lade with some fish. But can you understand

790
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: I just need to know that you understand that when

791
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: you've been confined in quarantine, Like I'm not a nature person.

792
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: I've been a city person more so, but being in

793
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: such confined like just seeing the rolling, I'm like, the

794
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: world is my oyster out here, Like there's space I

795
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: can move around, I don't have I don't have to

796
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: worry about running into people. Like it was. I loved it.

797
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's funny. That's funny. I mean who knew, Like,

798
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean that was that territory, dude, Like you go

799
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: through all of that, Like I never fully appreciated it.

800
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: Apparently I never fully appreciated it. I mean it's it's

801
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: kind of like when um, I tell people about Utah,

802
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: like going through Utah Um in Park City and all

803
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: the way through going to you know, seeing University of

804
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: Utah and the like, like, hey man, it's it's nice

805
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: out here. And like when you're not tired from writing

806
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: twelve thousand reports and driving in the middle of the night,

807
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: like you really can appreciate it. So you got a

808
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: chance to appreciate it with with your eyes wide open. Yeah,

809
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: when I'm not visiting we were state, I tend to

810
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: be in a better mood. You didn't like we were state?

811
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: What about Southern Utah? You didn't want to go there either,

812
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Southern Utah? What about Dixie? And I don't know. I

813
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: don't think Dixie State was going when I was scouting.

814
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they were there, But yeah, I didn't.

815
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I remember sitting there at Utah

816
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: State with Chris Cooley, and I remember seeing Donald pin

817
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: ye what about what about do you remember the receiver

818
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: because they had the receipt too, went to the Eagles,

819
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: Kevin Curtis. Well, yeah, Kevin Curtis, but then you had

820
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: one after him. No, no, no, no, I'm thinking of

821
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: wait he was maybe he played at Wyoming. I'm thinking

822
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: of the receiver that played at Wyoming but then was

823
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: coaching at Utah State after that. Um, he wore like

824
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: number nine. You'll know him if I if I I'll

825
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: text it to you later when I leave it up. Well, yeah,

826
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: i've done. I've done that. I've done. Gave him a

827
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: good grade too, and he did not It did not

828
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: work out. I mean that's what we do nor in Colorado, Greely, Greely,

829
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: Colorado to see Vince and Jackson. Yep, oh yeah, I

830
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: did that trick. Uh. Helena is I think it's is

831
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: it Helena or Helena? I think it's Helena. Same thing there.

832
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: I remember when Montanna State always had court Montana State

833
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: always had a quarterback like like none of them ever

834
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: made it, but we go there every years from nine

835
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: million yards. They had a corner Joey Thomas, Yeah, I

836
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: remember him. Yeah, Big Ji Tanna was he at Montana,

837
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: Tenna State. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, long tall, long corner. Um.

838
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: They also I went up there and did Ruse. Did

839
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: you do Michael Ruse up at Eastern Washington? Yeah? I

840
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: did him. How about my best story? And we're going

841
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: this because we can go in a rabbit. I love

842
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: these Ram Ran Ran, Idaho, Idaho State. Jared Allen Okay, yeah, no,

843
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: I see I that was one of my I was

844
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: in the league, but I had not got to the

845
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: West yet. So Chad Alexander did that year. Jared Allen,

846
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: who was one of the all time sack leaders in

847
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: the NFL. I went up to as a long snapper.

848
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: Long snapper. That is crazy? How about that? All Right?

849
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: That that name of that receiver is going to drive

850
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: me nuts. But I'm gonna figure it out and I'm

851
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: gonna text it to you. Uh But anyways, hey, last

852
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: thing I want to give you and we can wrap

853
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: this up. My dad told me the story of the day.

854
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: And it was true story and I thought you would

855
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Speaker 1: love it because I know we talked about sometimes simple

856
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: was better. We talked about it in plays and and

857
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, scheme and all this kind of stuff. But

858
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: it was two part story. But the first part is

859
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: the word priority was a singular word for five hundred years,

860
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: and then at that point in time, somebody decided we

861
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: can make it plural priorities, so you can have these

862
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: are my three priorities, my five priorities. The word was

863
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: meant for one. It was a singular word. And I thought,

864
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: and I've talked to coaches about this and shared this

865
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: thought with them, and like, yeah, you need to be

866
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: great at one thing. You need to be able to

867
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: do one thing. What is your priority? Who are you?

868
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: What are you about? What is that one thing? It's

869
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: like Curly from the movie City Speakers, right, life is

870
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: about one thing. But I think, what a great that's

871
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: so true because you think, oh I need to get

872
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: these are my five priorities, or these are my sick No,

873
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: no no. When you reduce it all down, it is

874
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: one thing. What is your priority? Singular? And I thought,

875
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: from a team standpoint, you know what, we run outside

876
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: zone better than anybody, and we spend it most time

877
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: on it, and that is who we are and that

878
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: is what we do. You know, we do not turn

879
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: the football over. That is our one that is our

880
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: calling card, that is our one thing. But I thought

881
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: as a coach. It's it's it's powerful, right, Yeah, it's

882
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: very powerful. It's funny that you said that, because, like

883
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: you talked about outside zone, that is the whole Kyle Shanahan,

884
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan, Alice Gibbs run game, We run inside zone,

885
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: outside zone. That's it. You want to see power, you

886
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: want to see gap schemes, you won't see it from us.

887
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: It makes the most sense. And I do believe that

888
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: we're seeing in this kind of dovetails off what your

889
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: dad said about priority and scaling down in this country,

890
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Like since the pandemic, we have seen all of these

891
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: restaurants really scale back their menus and a lot of

892
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: these restaurants are seeing their volume of sales have gone

893
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: up since they've tried quit trying to be everything to

894
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: everybody and specialized in one or two things, whether it's

895
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: Chick fil A, whether it's raising Cain's just doing chicken fingers,

896
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: whether it's in and out. Like we talked about, like

897
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: it is better to be great in one thing rather

898
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: than be averaging a bunch of different things. Yep, I

899
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 1: hundred percent agree. And the other story that went along

900
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: with that, which was a true story, This guy was

901
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: at home and he saw a truckload show up at

902
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: his house, right, fifty five thousand pieces of mail from

903
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: a loan company which had made a mistake and sent

904
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: him the same letter, fifty five thousand copies of this letter.

905
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: So they're unloading truckloads and it's the same fifty and

906
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: the same thing. And the whole point was, imagine if

907
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: there was one important piece of mail tucked in within

908
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: those fifty five meaningless letters. And I thought, that's like,

909
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: that's like you're setting up an offense or a scheme.

910
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: Like you have so much volume, but like you could

911
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: be missing the good stuff here. Yeah, you can't find

912
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: a good stuff because you've got too much stuff. YEP.

913
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: I can relate to that. Yeah, So there you go.

914
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: That's my fun. This fun, man, it's gonna be back

915
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: with you feel rejuvenated. Yeah, it was cool. Like, yeah,

916
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm telling you maybe need to go away once or

917
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: twice a year. We're gonna tuck you in Otto and

918
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: Montana and let you just kind of like being natured.

919
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: Way I'm gonna send you, I'm gonna send you the

920
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: the name of that receiver. Gosh, it's gonna drive me

921
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: nuts because I know you've done him too. We all yeah, anyways,

922
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: I'll find it. I'll get it to you, all right, man,

923
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: anything else you need to have before we get out

924
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: of here. No, we're good man. We got one more

925
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: podcast later this week. We'll make sure we knocked that out.

926
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: Fun just came to me. It just came to me,

927
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: an honestly goodness that I did not even look it up.

928
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: I swear to you, I did not look it up.

929
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: Jovon Bo Night, Jovon Bo Night, you had to have

930
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: done him. Yeah, he was like a number nine receiver

931
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: at Wyoming. I want to say, Javon Bo Night, and

932
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: he's coaching. He was coaching. I don't worry is now,

933
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: but he was at he was at Utah State for Wyoming.

934
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: You dug you dug down night. I thought you're gonna

935
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: pull out Chris McNeil because Chris McNeil played it. Uh.

936
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I know he did. Yeah, I swear it was. I

937
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: think he played at Wyoming and then coach at Utah

938
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: State or the other way around. I don't know. We'll

939
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: figure it out, but anyways, that's fun. It's good to

940
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: see you, buddy. We'll be back in here. We'll have

941
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: another one. We'll do another one this week. Yeah it

942
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: make sure to plug. So what this week we got

943
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: the Moodi Sticks TV shows. We're doing to three sixties

944
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: with two A talk about Loa and is it Joe Burrow, Yeah,

945
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: Joe and tow Uh. Those are gonna air NFL Network

946
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: six pm and six thirty Eastern on Thursday. There half

947
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: hour shows. Um. They will re air on Friday at

948
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: nine pm and nine thirty pm and Saturday one am,

949
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: five am, nine am, so you can check out those.

950
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: We've kind of repurposed what we did in the three

951
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: sixties before the draft and updated them, uh with information

952
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: about them being with their new teams and what to

953
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: expect in their new locations. So you can check those

954
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: out on the network. Yeah. It should be a lot

955
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: of fun, man, looking forward to it. Looking forward to

956
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: a second five this week. Yep, we'll do it all right.

957
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: It's good to be back with you, buck uh to

958
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: be all good job on the production side, and we'll

959
00:45:44,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: see you next time. Right here on, move the sticks

960
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: to moment