1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinal Territory, part of the File Tortory Net 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network. I'm Trevor Rosenthal, your host today. Katie 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: WU has allowed me to take over, and for good reason. 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: We have some very special guests. We're talking to not 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: only myself, but two other Cardinals closers, Cardinals legends, as 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: I would like to call us. Uh, there's no more 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: badass position on the A on a baseball team than 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: the closer. I mean, let's just be real. We see 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: in today's age, we see Ryan Helsley coming in, the 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: lights go off, the music gets cranked up, and it's 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: just the most exciting time of the game. When when 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: the closer comes into the game, we know that our 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: team's about to win and we're looking for the electric stuff. 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: We're looking to get that lights out performance and then 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: go shake hands. So this is gonna be a really 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: special episode, Uh, specifically for me. I mean, these are 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: two guys, uh that I that I really looked up to, 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: that I continue to enjoy watch play. So yeah, let's 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: enter into this conversation. I like to introduce, first and 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: foremost U current Cardinals roving pitching instructor and former cardinal closer, 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: who said a bunch of records, uh uh, Saint Louis 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: native Jisringhausen. And then also we have the current called 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 1: cardinal closer, Ryan Helsley. Jason, how are you doing today? 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: Good? But how are you? It's good to see everybody here. 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, good to be here. How how's how's mister Helsley? 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: How we do it? How's spring training going? How you feel? 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: And I've been really good, you know, excited to get 28 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: back out there and get the games and stuff like that, 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: and you know, kind of getting brought up speed and 30 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: you know, this time there is always fun. You can 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: work on some new stuff and you know, tinker with 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: some things here and there before you know, get. 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: Into the games matter. So it's been good. Body's feeling good. Good, 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: the games have started, and you know we'll be back 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 4: to Saint Louis or shortly. 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like I mentioned, I mean, we all have 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: experience coming in the ninth inning, which is which is exhilarating. 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: One thing that I feel like we all have in common, 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: and most relievers have in common, is that we're all 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: failed starters. I wanted to be a starting pitcher and 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: that didn't work out. So I ended up getting into 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: the bullpen and then the relief role. But for me, 43 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: like you know, it was always the competitive nature of 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: just wanting to be the best of being being in 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: the bullpen and not really thinking about myself as a seventh, 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: eighth or ninth inning guy, but just going out and 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: wanting to do the best job I possibly could. And 48 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: then that kind of filtered me down to being the 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: ninth being in the ninth inning, uh, through my performance 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: and through those opportunities coming up and becoming available. So uh, 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: but Jason, I want to hear from you, like kind 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: of what what what was your experience of how you 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: ended up in in the relief role. Maybe what were 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: some of the things that helped you to really excel 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: in that role. 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 5: Well, I was when I got drafted in ninety two. 57 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 5: Showing my age here, but yeah, I was. I started 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 5: through the minor leagues in the first three years of 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 5: my big league career and then had Tommy John and 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 5: just my elbow wasn't bouncing back like normal, so about 61 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 5: after about sixty pitches it was kind of feeling jellowy. 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 5: So they moved into the long relief role that would 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 5: have been in ninety nine and then at that time 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: I got traded to Oakland and Billy Bean is the 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 5: general manager there. 66 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: As soon as I got there, he said I was 67 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: going to be closing for him. So it's just I 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: sat in the bullpen. 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 5: With an old veteran, Doug Jones, and he explained all 70 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: the nuances of closing to me. And you know, I 71 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 5: finished that year with like ninety saves and then we 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 5: made the playoffs and then my first save opportunity in. 73 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: The playoffs was in Yankee Stadium. 74 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 5: So it's that story was you know, I'm out there 75 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 5: trying to I think I walked the first guy and 76 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 5: the catcher come out, Ramon Hernandez and John Bey comes 77 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 5: over the mound and I I can't feel my legs. 78 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 5: I was so nervous, it's scared to death. You know 79 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 5: if Yankee Stadium, the only feels like the crowd. 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: Is right on top of you. 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: And uh so that was a learning process for me, 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 5: was just sealing down the jitters, you know, putting that 83 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 5: fear of failure into adrenaline. But I say, you said failed, 84 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 5: uh failed starters, I'm saying injured starters. 85 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: How about that more less? But yeah, I mean, that 86 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: was my whole thing. 87 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 5: And then then I had to relearn my process of 88 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 5: getting ready being like I always tell our kids now, 89 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: our best our best ability is our availability, right, So 90 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 5: trying to cut down on my throats during the day 91 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 5: and just making sure I was. 92 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: Ready to go every line, every night. It was my 93 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: biggest adjustment. 94 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: Oh very nice. Uh Hellsley, what about you? Man? What 95 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: Jason mentioned his You know, he remembered very specifically the 96 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 1: first time he had an opportunity to get a saved. 97 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Do you do you remember the first time that you 98 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to come in and close it out? 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, was in Pittsburgh in twenty twenty. 100 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: Uh during COVID and h Yachty was catching obviously, and 101 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: I don't remeber who else face him, but he called 102 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: the fastball inside it. I think it was a two count, 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: and I shook to a slider. I think he fouled 104 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: it off fastball and again shook the slider all the time, 105 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: walks out, you know, doesn't say a word to me, 106 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: grabs the rosen bag, just tosses up, throws it down 107 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: and walks back to behind home plate. And he just 108 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: sits down and like gives me one of these you know, 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: and somehow the you know, right down the middle and 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: he found it off, thank god. 111 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 4: And uh he just sat up inside. 112 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: The next pitch and I threw a fastball in and 113 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: the guy struck out living and I was like, well, 114 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: I guess I'm. 115 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 4: Never gonna shake out you again. 116 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: You know, learned my lesson there the hard way almost, 117 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that was the first time. 118 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: That's a that's a cool story. I think we all 119 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: had the good fortune of working with mister Molina, right, 120 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: is he You were in the Yadi era. 121 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 5: Also, Yeah, I guess like five I think was his 122 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 5: two thousand and five man have been his rookie year 123 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 5: before two thousand and six. 124 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: Uh, he was a rookie behind Metheni. 125 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 5: Mike Metheni, So I mean Yadi was I always when 126 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 5: people tell me to compare the two, I would say, 127 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 5: Mike was like a robot, did everything, perfect technique, perfect 128 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 5: throwing technique, and Yadi was just got given ability and 129 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 5: he was just an amazing student of the game and 130 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 5: has absorbed everything. But yeah, I've had the fortunate of 131 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 5: my during my cardinal career of having those two. It 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 5: was pretty amazing. I wasn't worried about bouncing a O 133 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 5: two curveball to either one of them. 134 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: No. 135 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what always stuck out to me with Yadi 136 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: was was the god given ability and his extreme work ethic. 137 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: But I mean, there was no fiercer competitor than Yadi 138 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: air Molina on the baseball field. I mean you would 139 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: see it sometimes with his temper with umpires, but you know, 140 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: being a teammate of his, uh, it really off. And 141 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: and especially you know in our role coming in the 142 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: ninth inning, it's uh, it's it's it's like Pete Pinnacle 143 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: of competition. Like there's we're either walking off the field 144 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: a winner or you're walking off the field a loser. 145 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: There's there's no between. There's not really another role in 146 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: the game that's like that where it's it's just it's 147 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: so the result of the game that solely comes down 148 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: to the closer. And and so I don't know what 149 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: what how do you guys feel about that? Is that something? Okay, 150 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: let me ask this Jason for you now, outside of baseball, 151 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: like post career, looking back, is there any way that 152 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: you have been able to scratch that itch? I mean, 153 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: is there any way that you've been able to reclect 154 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: replicate that feeling outside of baseball. 155 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 5: No, I mean that that when when the gate swings 156 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: open and you're running out there to go to the 157 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 5: ninth inning. Uh, it's hard to replicate that. I mean, 158 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 5: the adrenaline flow is something special. And but no, I 159 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 5: can't find anything. You know, you try to golf, you 160 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 5: try to do things like that. You know, at our 161 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 5: at my age fifty seven years old, it's I've kind 162 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 5: of given up the softball and the basketball, and I'm 163 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 5: not starting pick a ball. 164 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: I'm not that old yet, so I h but. 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: No, it's it's hard to find the itch. I mean, 166 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 5: I think that's what I missed. You talk about I 167 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 5: missed the guys that I missed the competition. So that's 168 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 5: part of what I don't think that's ever gonna leave 169 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 5: us as long as we're alive doing what we did. 170 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: So uh, I yeah, I just have to say I 171 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: missed the competition. 172 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, I agree. And one thing that gets 173 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: me fired up now is watching Hellsley come in. And 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: and really when I when I see guys like him 175 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: come in, I can tell in his warm ups like 176 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: I can tell those first couple of throws that he 177 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: makes when he gets on the mount of like okay, 178 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: like this guy's got today. These guys don't stand a chance. Uh, 179 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: he's about to mow him down. And for me, like 180 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: when I was when I was in the closing role, 181 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: even you know, when I wasn't playing in general, I 182 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: could feel that. For me, it was when I showed 183 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: up to the park and we went out to play 184 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: catch before before the game, I could tell how my 185 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: body was feeling, and I would get a sense of like, 186 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: all right, today is gonna be a good day. Hell's 187 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear. Like, how do you think about that? 188 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: Is there a moment during the game or pregame where 189 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I got I have my good stuff today. Yeah. 190 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: I mean, as you guys will know, there's hardly you know, 191 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: there's very few days where you feel at your best 192 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: being in the closer real So it's trying to you know, 193 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: just trying to figure out a way to get out 194 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: every single day. But there's definitely days, like you said, 195 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: when you feel like, all right, I got a little 196 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: motion in the tank er. 197 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 4: You know, it just felt it feels a little smoother 198 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: and easier coming out. 199 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it all the boils down to it, 200 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: you know, just trying to take it one day at 201 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: a time and you know, rolling with the punches. 202 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 4: You know how it is. You know, you're the hero 203 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: one night and the zero the next. So it's just 204 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 4: for me. 205 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I do the same room warm 206 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: up routine every time in the bullpen. 207 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: You know, I don't really. 208 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: Not that I'm not caring about execution, but I don't 209 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: put too much stock in it. You know, It's more 210 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: about how my body's feeling. And you know, once I 211 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 3: get out to the game, it's you know, just cut 212 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: the narrow focus and just let it rip and see 213 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: what happens. 214 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, the the narrow focus is 215 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: so important. I think it's you know, an the closure role. 216 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: You have to have your blinders on. You have to 217 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: just think one pitch at a time. You can only 218 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: be having so many thoughts and not really over complicated. 219 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: Really sticks to the fundamentals. Uh, there's a lot of 220 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: correlation to life with that. I think. You know, people 221 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: that are able to keep focus usually do well in 222 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: whatever they're trying to perform at. You know, but but 223 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: something you know that that creeps in and being with 224 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: a team, like in an organization like the Saint Louis Cardinals, 225 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: there's so much history, you know. It's it's such a 226 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: renowned organization and the group of people that we are 227 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: able to associate with Jason with having the all time 228 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: saves record, with Ryan and I having single season saves records. 229 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: You know, we're we're like a pretty special group. And 230 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: and to me like that always like motivated me to 231 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: to want to not just go out and play for myself, 232 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: but as I was representing something bigger and like Hellsley, 233 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you think about that? I mean, 234 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: in today's game, it's it's even more different than when 235 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: I played. It's definitely different from when when Jason play. Jason, 236 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know if like Instagram or Twitter was invented. 237 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 5: We didn't have phones back then, kid, when I first started. 238 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 5: That's why we got to have more fun than you guys, 239 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 5: because there was no record of anything that we did, so, uh, 240 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 5: we probably had more fun than you guys. 241 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a different time for sure. 242 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: Yeah that Yeah, I'm jealous. I couldn't imagine not having 243 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: somebody telling me how bad I am after every single day. 244 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: Uh huh that I go out and pitch, but I 245 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: mean with all the with that all the outside kind 246 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: of like pressure and hey, like you know, whether it's 247 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: good or bad. Uh, Hell's like, like how do you 248 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: think about that? Like how are you able to kind 249 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: of keep yourself grounded, keep yourself focused? You know, you've 250 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: had some big years, You've had a lot of success. 251 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: You're you're playing for a really special organization. You know 252 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: kind of what what helps you in this role in 253 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: particular to stay so focused? 254 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly trying to get rid of all my social media, 255 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: especially during the season. 256 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 4: You know, I delete the apps off my phone, and 257 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: you know. 258 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: It's it's cool when you're doing well, you know, everybody's 259 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: talking good about you, But all it takes is that 260 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: one night, you know, and everybody hates you and somebody's 261 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: like been all requesting either pay for their lost bed 262 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: or you know, someone's dm and on Instagram telling you 263 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 3: how bad you are. And you know, so I really 264 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: try not to look into too much of that, And honestly, 265 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: I think to spend like family time, you know, seeing 266 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: the kind of the bigger picture, you know, getting away 267 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: from the field and having a break with that and 268 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: just trying to be president, being a dad, you know, 269 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: and being able to separate the two. And you know, 270 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of good mentors in Saint Louis, 271 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: you know, and Adam Wainwright and Goldie and you know, 272 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: those guys Kyle Gibson who've had kids and you know, 273 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 3: have played for a long time. So just seeing how 274 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: calm and cool they are, and you know, honestly, I 275 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: think the biggest thing for me was, like, you know, 276 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: just seeing how day to day those guys were, you know, 277 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: not letting stuff like carry over. I think that showed me, 278 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: you know, if some of the greatest guys I've played with, 279 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: they're able to you know, to kind of let it 280 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: roll off their backs one night to the next and 281 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 3: not carry things over because as you guys will know, 282 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: you got to show, you know, ready to prove. 283 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: It each and every single day. So it's good or bad. 284 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: You know, That's kind of the mines that I try 285 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: to have is you know, not let stuff carry over, 286 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 3: good or bad. 287 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 4: You don't have to do it again the next day. 288 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, huge credit to you. It's it's hard 289 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: to do already but even harder, harder to do in 290 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: today's day and age, when not only do you have 291 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: like the outside distractions and then outside influence. But I 292 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: mean it's just it's just a lot of pressure, right, 293 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: Like you can see other people doing well, we all 294 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: we all want to do the best we can. So man, yeah, 295 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: kudos to you. I mean it really shows I know, 296 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: uh speak for Jason. We're both impressed with the with 297 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: the type of man you are. But you know, we 298 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: love seeing you go out there and close the ninth 299 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: and hope to see you do that a bunch of 300 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: times this year. Uh So that kind of makes me 301 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: think in the role that is the that you have 302 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: now with the Cardinals, you know, being a roving instructor 303 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: working with all these kids trying to identify the next 304 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: Jason Issterninghousen and Ryan Helsley like like what are you looking? 305 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: What do you see it? What are you seeing? With 306 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: guys that are coming up, like, I don't know what 307 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: do you what are you seeing it? What are you 308 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: looking for? How you're trying to help them? 309 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 5: Well, I'm mainly, like I said, I've got two daughters now, 310 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: got like one hundred and fifty sons. So I mean 311 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 5: I'm following their Twitter accounts, I'm following their Instagram making 312 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 5: sure they're not posting anything dumb or anything like that. 313 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: You know. 314 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: So we have that. 315 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: Part to deal with, and then we're also trying to 316 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 5: figure out what I want to do more than anything is. 317 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 5: You know, we we have a lot of starters, we 318 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 5: have a lot of relievers, and we're trying to for me, 319 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 5: I try to find the kids that aren't afraid to fail. 320 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 5: You know, when they do fail, it doesn't look like 321 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 5: somebody kick them in the you know, you know what. 322 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 5: So I mean, it's just a it's an ongoing process 323 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 5: of trying to figure out who the tough ones are. 324 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 5: I mean, we always say, you know the game, it's 325 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 5: easy to get to the big leagues. I think in 326 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 5: today's game, it's just hard to stay there for a 327 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 5: long time. And letting these guys know that and then 328 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 5: trying to teach them proper routines. I mean they're coming 329 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 5: from major colleges, major conferences, and they've never even heard 330 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 5: a routine. You know, everybody held it, has held their 331 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 5: hand through all these years. If they were always told 332 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 5: where to be for college, you know, they've got this 333 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 5: at this time, this at that time, and now we 334 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 5: have to treat them like men. I'm not going to 335 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: hold their hand and teaching them the responsibility of what 336 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 5: it means to wear the cardinals, the birds on the 337 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 5: bat across their chest and carry. 338 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: On through the tradition of so many people. 339 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, from the Bob Gibson's to the 340 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 5: lou Broncks, to the Red Shandies. 341 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: You know, the Kissel, the Kissels, the Bruce Shooters. 342 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 5: I mean, we can go on and on with names 343 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 5: Ozzie and Willie and it's your tradition. And you guys 344 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 5: were talking about that fear of My fear was just 345 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 5: letting down my teammates, letting down my city, letting down 346 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 5: my family. So turning that fear of failure into adrenaline, 347 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 5: trying to find the whys with some of these kids, 348 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 5: like why are you doing this? I mean, is it 349 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: for money? Is it for women? Is it for what? 350 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: You know? 351 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: What are they doing it for? 352 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: And then trying to take that message and then trying 353 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 5: to teach it into a routine and why we do it, 354 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 5: and just trying to get these have these kids navigate 355 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 5: through a six month long season, you know, not twenty 356 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 5: some games in college. 357 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's. 358 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 5: A different process and just getting these kids to buy 359 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 5: into what we teach. 360 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: It's it's it's an ongoing process for sure. 361 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Like I think about like my why, 362 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: and it's become a lot clearer to me now. But 363 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, looking back, like I didn't have another choice, 364 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: like I was. You know, I was the kind of 365 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: like a troublemaker in high school. I was. I was 366 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: a junior college kid that really narrowed my options by 367 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: not excelling academically. And once I got drafted, it was like, 368 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: all right, well this looks like the really the only 369 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: path for me and getting into pro baseball. It was 370 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: like there was no plan B. And I think that 371 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: helped me, helped me in a lot of ways. But 372 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: like when you were talking about that, I was thinking 373 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: of myself of like my why, Like every day that 374 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: I would show up to the ballpark, from from rookie 375 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: ball to when I got to Saint Louis and the 376 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: big leagues, was like, hey, I got one shot at this, 377 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: I better not mess it up. There's nothing like the 378 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to be a professional baseball player to pitch at 379 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: the highest level. And then I mean, Chuck's like getting 380 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: the opportunity to be a closer for the Saint Louis Cardinals, Like, Okay, 381 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: I better figure this out. And and you mentioned some 382 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: really incredible names. Uh, and and I was I was 383 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: fortunate to be around some great mentors. Is he you 384 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: were one of them. I mean you were around a 385 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: lot while I was playing, and you were a great influence. 386 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: But just learning how to how to go about things 387 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: the right way, it helped me. It helped me to 388 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: maximize my why. But I don't know, Hell's what are 389 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: you thinking? What? What's What's What's a little bit of 390 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: your why? We talked about it some like you're a 391 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: Midwestern guys. You know you're just gonna show up and 392 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: and do the best you can and work hard. Is 393 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: there anything that you kind of add on to that? 394 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? 395 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: I think like for me, you said it on a 396 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: is like you only get one opportunity, and that's the 397 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: way I try to approach every day and know I'm 398 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: always trying to get better. And that's kind of going 399 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 3: back to the guys I've played with, like Yati and 400 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: Albert and Arnotto and Goldie. You know, it's like talking 401 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 3: to them, you know, I know they're hitters, and none 402 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: of them are pictures besides Wueno, but you know, they're 403 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: obviously close to being Hall of Famers, all of them, 404 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: if not already. And I think the common thing it 405 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 3: was just that they're always trying to get better each 406 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: and every day, you know, like it didn't matter what 407 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: they did yesterday or what you know, kind of start 408 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: they had last time out. It was always trying to 409 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: fine tune and always trying to keep that feel and 410 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 3: just always working and you know, never being satisfied. And 411 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: I think it's just trying to make the most, you know, 412 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: of every opportunity that I. 413 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 4: Get, and honestly not living with regrets. 414 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: You know, I think living with regrets is one of 415 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: the biggest things in life that can you know, kind 416 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: of hold us back and you know, give us some 417 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: of those bad feelings that we don't want to have. 418 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 4: But you know, I try to live. 419 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: Each and every day, you know, not regretting like man, 420 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 3: I stay up late playing video games or whatever. 421 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 4: You know, only got four hours of sleep last night. 422 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: We got a twelve o'clock game, and now three to 423 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: two in the ninth, you know, and I believe the 424 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 3: lead I was feeling, you know, not quite like myself. 425 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 4: You know. 426 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: It's like all that stuff matters, you know, and it's 427 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 3: you know, you don't really think about that stuff as 428 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: a kid, but you know, when you get to the 429 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: highest level, every little bit makes the biggest difference, you know, 430 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 3: at that level, you know, and it's most of it's 431 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: between the ears. So just trying to figure out ways 432 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 3: to you know, gain gain that edge and you know, 433 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: to stay sharp. But it's it's hard, Like you guys said, 434 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: it's such a long season and it's it's hard to 435 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: adjust to that, and you know, you're getting the best 436 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 3: in the world day in and day out, and everybody's 437 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 3: trying to win. So I mean it's it's it's a grind, 438 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 3: you know, and you just you know, just try to 439 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 3: give my best every day. 440 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So lets I gotta follow up on that. Uh uh, 441 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: what do you think gives you like the biggest competitive 442 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: edge mentally in the game. 443 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 3: I think just compete with myself honestly, like trying to 444 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 3: get more out of myself and pushing me. You know, 445 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: I think, you know, when I'm when i'm bad or 446 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: not at my best. I'm thinking about you know, who 447 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 3: I might be facing that night, or you know if 448 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 3: last year Aaron judging one subtle, I want two punch. 449 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that's all tasks for anybody in the game, 450 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: you know, But you know what, I'm at my best. 451 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 3: It's like it doesn't matter who's in the box. 452 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: You know. 453 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 4: I'm you know, kind of. 454 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: Got that, like you said, those blinders on and that 455 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 3: mentality that you know as a picture of your best 456 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: when you're attacking guys and making them have to swing 457 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: the bass. So that's kind of what I try to do, 458 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 3: is just have to attack them attitude, and you know, 459 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go right at them, and you know. 460 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: If they're gonna get it, hit him as well be 461 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 4: the first pitch. 462 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna try to attack them and you know, 463 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 3: put the pressure on them. 464 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: What about you, is it? What what do you feel 465 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: like is your your biggest like mental competitive edge? When 466 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: you were in the. 467 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 5: Role, I think it was just the competition between me 468 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 5: and the hitter. You know, I didn't concentrate too far ahead. 469 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 5: I went pitch to pitch, you know, and I was 470 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 5: just going to concentrate on executing that pitch. I know, 471 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 5: if I executed my pitches, I could get anybody out. 472 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 5: But you know, it's it's changed a lot because of 473 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 5: the way the hitters hit now then before. You know, 474 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 5: there wasn't a lot of strikeout guys back in the day, 475 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 5: so to speak, and making them. All I tried to 476 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 5: was miss the barrels of the bats and keep them 477 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 5: in the ballpark. I mean, we were such good defensively, 478 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 5: I was doing myself a disservice if I didn't let 479 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 5: them put the ball in play, because we had gold 480 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 5: glovers all around the field. And but yeah, that might 481 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 5: I think my greatest I always say short term memory. 482 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 5: I mean I wasn't worried about whether I did good 483 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 5: or bad. I mean once I once I took a 484 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 5: shower and had a couple of cold sodas or whatever 485 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 5: it might be, that that day was over, you know, 486 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 5: and I went on to the next day, and that 487 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 5: was no matter. If I, you know, threw nine pitches, 488 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 5: you know it will struck out three guys, or if 489 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 5: I gave up the world. 490 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: It didn't matter. It was just the same mindset every 491 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: single day. 492 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: That's a hard thing to do. I would say the 493 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: same thing, is like, hey, I would joke around like 494 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: I suffer from a short term memory loss, and that 495 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: that was intentional. It was like I don't want to 496 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: think too highly of myself. I don't want to think 497 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: well of myself either. It was like I'm just going 498 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: to show up and keep doing what I can do. 499 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: I also think like what I had, and you guys 500 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: probably suffer from this too, is like I had an 501 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: unhealthy amount of self confidence. And I would tell myself 502 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: all the time like I would I would describe it 503 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: as like humble confidence where I didn't want to exuberate it, 504 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: like I didn't want people to see it. But in 505 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: my mind, like when I'm on the field, like there's 506 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: nobody better like and and I had to tell myself 507 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: that because naturally, like it's easy to remember the times 508 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: I failed or maybe why I don't feel good that 509 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: day or something like that, that self doubt that would 510 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: creep in. But I would always have to, you know, 511 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: continue to kind of pump myself up. And I would 512 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: say like that that was probably my biggest mental competitive 513 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: edge is believing like hey, there's nobody better. I'm gonna 514 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: win every single time, and uh, I could probably think 515 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: of some guys uh on the cardinal roster that that 516 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: I picked that up from. But that's that's really cool. 517 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: So let's let's let's talk about arsenal because I feel 518 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: like each of us has a little bit different arsenal 519 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: that we're working with. You know, obviously we're all you know, 520 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: talented and to be able to play at the level 521 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: that we played at. But uh, is he what do 522 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: you yeah run us through kind of uh fastball, breaking ball, 523 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: change up? What what can we expect from you on 524 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: your best night? 525 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: Uh? 526 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 5: Well, I was going to have a four seam fastball 527 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 5: and then a cutter and then a big curveball. And 528 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 5: but before there was you know, vertical break and all 529 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 5: this stuff. You know, we we knew what played off 530 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 5: of what. So a big curveball, I could throw a 531 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 5: fastball up in the zone and that was before we 532 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 5: had all the numbers that said that's where you were 533 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 5: supposed to throw it anyway, So we knew what worked. 534 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 5: We and you know, we knew what we had so 535 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: we can get people out. And but yeah, it was 536 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 5: just a hard fastball that kind of cut a little 537 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 5: bit and then a bigger cutter and then a big 538 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 5: curveball that I could throw. And I got to the 539 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 5: point where I could throw my cutter on both sides 540 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: of the plate and I would I would speed up lefties, 541 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 5: jamming them and then dropping back door breaking balls to 542 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 5: them and then throw high fastballs up in the zone again, 543 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 5: swing through it. 544 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: Hell's all right, we know, we know, you gotta we 545 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: got a big arm. Break it, break it down for us. 546 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: What what are we working with here? What can we 547 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: expect to see on Ryan Ryan Helsley's best night this year? 548 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I started my whole minor league career, 549 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: so I feel like, you know, my arsenal's kind of evolved. 550 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: You know, it was a four pitch guy in the 551 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 3: minor leagues and then got to the big leagues and 552 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: was fastball like slider, slash cutter, you. 553 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 4: Know, kind of all on early on in my career. 554 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 3: And then you know, the last few years, you know, 555 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: gotten a better feel for my curve ball again. And 556 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: this spring I've actually been messing with like a true 557 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: cutter again. So I mean, maybe four pitches. 558 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 4: I don't know. 559 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: I feel like every off season, guys are watching a 560 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: teaker and you know, come to camp with, you know, 561 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: another weapon to get guys out, because these guys are good, 562 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: you know, just so just trying to open up both 563 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: sides of the plate and you know, give them different looks. 564 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: But you know, most night's probably gonna be heavy fastball 565 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 3: slider though a might dumping a curve ball to get 566 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: guys off off the b though a little bit. 567 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, your stuff's nasty. Brother, I don't know if easy 568 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: and I can can can hang with you on that heat. Man, 569 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: you got it. You're a strong dude. I I you know, 570 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: the same as you guys. Like coming up as as 571 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: a starter and in the cardinal system being a starter, 572 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: it was really like honed in, like preach to us 573 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: over and over again, like you got to pound the 574 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: bottom of zone. You gotta get ground balls. And and 575 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: similar to you, Jason, like I didn't know what induced 576 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: vertical break meant, Like I didn't know that my fastball 577 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: had life on it and that I could throw at 578 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: the top of the zone. So I really got used 579 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: to pounding the bottom of the zone. But it had 580 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: a similar effect where I would get a lot of 581 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: takes and and so that's how my arsenal like really 582 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: started to develop is getting ahead at the bottom of 583 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: the zone, getting that take and then kind of opening 584 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: it up right, like not really changing my sites where 585 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: I was aiming my fastball, but as I got deeper intoccounts, 586 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: as I worked ahead, my fastball would naturally rise up 587 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: into the top of the zone even though I was 588 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: aiming low and uh. And so that's what I felt like. 589 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: My arsenal was kind of based off of the life 590 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: of my fastball, but also also command, like I took 591 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: a lot of pride in getting ahead and Troy and counts, 592 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: and so that was that was really important to me. 593 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so you guys, uh thinking about being in 594 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: the bullpen uh as a closer. Was there any I 595 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: guess Okay, So at the end of the game, when 596 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: the game ends, was there any like certain celebration you 597 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: guys have. Do you keep it cool? Is it like nonchalant, 598 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: like been there, done that, I've closed out this game 599 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of times? Or was there like something special 600 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: you had with some guys on the team or the catcher. 601 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: Hell's you go first. 602 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: I'll try to just keep it pretty simple, you know. 603 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 3: I was I've never really been like a flashy guy 604 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: or trying to. 605 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 4: Make it all about me. 606 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. 607 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 4: If we lose the game, it's my fault. But we 608 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 4: all won the game. 609 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: So just try to everybody in normal handshake and dath mug, 610 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: you know, get some high fives. 611 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 4: And try to get after him again tomorrow. 612 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: What about you is he? I know you were out 613 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: there fist bumping, cartwheeling. What do you got? 614 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 5: No, I mean, my whole thing was, you know, it 615 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 5: was always a high five and then a punch in 616 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 5: the chest of my catcher and then high five everybody, 617 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: and then I'd always give the ball to a little 618 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 5: kid when I was leaving the field. I've got three 619 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 5: balls in my on my mantois, my hundreds, my two hundreds, 620 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 5: and my three hundred, so I gave every other one 621 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 5: of them away, and so that was kind of my thing. 622 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 5: I always made people happy. So yeah, giving up a 623 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 5: game ball was pretty special to the kids. 624 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: What a good guy man. Oh yeah's heartwarming. That makes 625 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: me feel good to hear that three hundred saves. What 626 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: an incredible hells Where are you at? I'm your safe ticker. 627 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: I want to say, like eighties, maybe look the high 628 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: eighties somewhere around there and I'm not too sure. 629 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: But you're knocking them out like you're you're getting up 630 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: there quick. 631 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 4: Like last year they goed up pretty quick. But I 632 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 4: mean you never know. 633 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 3: I mean you've seen guys have fifty saves one year 634 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 3: and they only get twenty five opportunities the next. 635 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 4: You know, you just never know. You just got to 636 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 4: make the most of them when you get them. 637 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: That's what makes to me, like three hundred is is 638 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: so impressive. Do you, Jason, do you know how many 639 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: guys are in that club? 640 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: Uh? I want to there's probably twenty some. I think 641 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: there might be more than that now. 642 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 5: I don't know that was at one time, but I mean, 643 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 5: you know, when I look at Trevor and Marianna with 644 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 5: six hundred, I'm just like, holy smokes. 645 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, they doubled me. 646 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 5: And uh but you know, you think about it's that's 647 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 5: twenty years of thirty saves. I mean, these guys were 648 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 5: racking them up left and right, and you know, Marianna 649 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 5: did it with one damn pitch with a cutter, you know, 650 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 5: and Trevor had his change up. I mean, it's just 651 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 5: watching those guys and that's where I learned my cutter 652 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 5: was from Marianna. I wish I would have learned Trevor's changeup, 653 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 5: but it was impossible to throw the way he threw it. 654 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I mean it's just it's longevity. 655 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 5: You know, you look at Hills, it's like ten years 656 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 5: of thirty saves, if you put it that way, and 657 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 5: it's just it's a it's a milestone that you know 658 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 5: that you never think about. But as they start racking up, 659 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 5: then you're like, because I thought I was going to 660 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 5: retire with ninety seven because I had had an elbow 661 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 5: surgery and I came back to get seven more. But 662 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 5: I always thought i'd have seven shy on my boat 663 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: one day because I was seven shy at three hundred, 664 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 5: so that was always But I got to three hundred 665 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 5: and then I don't even have a boat now, so 666 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 5: it's no big deal. 667 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: Now you just have seven hundred kids, seven hundred sons 668 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: that you're looking out. 669 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's like hurting cats down here. 670 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Well, I know, you're you're a man with the job. 671 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: And I say that because, like, you know, being the closer, 672 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: you're kind of you're kind of forced into a leadership role, 673 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Like you know, you have the team but like the 674 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: bullpen is kind of a unit. It's like a team 675 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: within a team, and being the closer, I feel like 676 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: it brings them all like guys look up to you like, okay, 677 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: like you're a guy. If there's something to be said, 678 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: you got you're kind of in a position to say it. 679 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: And I like that, Like I liked you know, I 680 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: want to you know, obviously, we're all competitive. We want 681 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: to win one of get the best out of our group. 682 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: And I always thought of myself of like, yeah, like 683 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: let's go out here, let's talk about it. What do 684 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: we do. What can we do a better job, whether 685 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: it's the running game, whether it's throwing first pitch strikes, Like, 686 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: let's sit down and let's just have a conversation. Are 687 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: those Were there any moments like that for you guys 688 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: in your career where you know you viewed like this 689 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: unit of like hey, like we're a team within a team, 690 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of taking responsibility of the direction of 691 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: this team. Jason, what do you think about that? 692 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's totally what I thought my job was. 693 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: Like we I always took my bullpen out to. 694 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 5: Dinners and stuff like that and hung out with everybody 695 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 5: we had a usually with. My group was pretty tight knit, 696 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 5: and we hung out together, and we went to dinners together, 697 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 5: we had you know, roads, sodas together, things like that. 698 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 5: You know, were just always a tight knit group. So 699 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 5: we pulled for each other. And you know, as the 700 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 5: ninth any guy, you're the safety net for everybody else. 701 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 5: That's how I always looked at it. So, you know, 702 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 5: it was always trying to be big brother to everybody 703 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 5: and keep everybody under control, make sure we did the 704 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 5: things all the right way. 705 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: What about what about Hell's what what's the what's this 706 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: crew looking like right now? How has your experience been 707 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: in kind of that leadership role within the within the 708 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: bullpen unit. 709 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, last year was like my first year 710 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: of I guess being the true closer. You know, every 711 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 3: year before that it was kind of like you know, 712 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: Swiss Army knives throw the seventh and eighth one up 713 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 3: plus every year every night and then so like last 714 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 3: year was a fun year for me, just you know, 715 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: it's a lot being locked in every night, you know, 716 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 3: but it's also fun having a chance to pitch every day, 717 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: and they contribute that often. But you know, we haven't 718 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: we have a great group. I'm really excited. We got 719 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: a lot of guys down there with with some good, 720 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: good weapons, and we have a few guys are younger 721 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: guys that I think that'll obviously make the team, and 722 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: you know, I'm excited to see them and see how 723 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 3: they compete. And you know, I think is a hit 724 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: it on the head, you know, I think, try to 725 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 3: be that leader, and you know, try to take guys. 726 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 4: Out as much as you can, and you know, just 727 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: just build that bond down there. 728 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: You know, like you said, there your team within a team, 729 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: and we got each other's backs down there, and it's 730 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: a lot of fun, you know. I mean, you guys 731 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 3: can probably test it. It's you're not that you're not 732 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: watching the game, but you gotta kind of joke around 733 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: a little. 734 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 4: Bit every time down there. 735 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 3: You know, because you play one hundred and sixty two games, 736 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: you're not locked in for all that innings most of 737 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: the time. You know, there's a couple couple of scrambles 738 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: down there when the phone rings every now and then. 739 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: But we keep it light, man, and we're competitive, and 740 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 4: you know, we got a good group down there, and 741 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 4: I'm excited to be part of it. 742 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: Hey, with the pitch clocket. I mean things move faster now. 743 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: You don't have as much time to relax. 744 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 4: You hardly got any time to shake it anymore. 745 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 2: Dude. 746 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 3: It's like, come in and throw three woman pitches and 747 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: you're still out of breath by the time the first. 748 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 4: Guy gets in there. 749 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: You gotta be in peak physical conditions to go out 750 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: and pitch. Now, where do you guys open up this year? 751 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: Are you guys at home or you opening up on 752 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: the road. 753 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 3: I think we have Minnesota and then the Angels and 754 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 3: then we go to Boston for the first road series. 755 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 4: I'm not sure where we go after Boston. 756 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna have to take the boys out for dinner. 757 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: Keep up with the tradition. Yeah, of that closer role. Well, uh, 758 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: I can't thank you guys enough. Our time flew by 759 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: and this is really special for me. 760 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: Uh. 761 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: You guys are both incredible. Thanks for coming on and 762 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: having this conversation. I think the fans are really gonna 763 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Uh so uh for Jason Izriinghausen, Ryan Helsley, 764 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: Trevor Rosenthal. We're here on Cardinal territory talking closers with 765 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: Cardinal Baseball. But part of the Foul Territory Network. Thanks 766 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: for tuning in. This is awesome. Thank you so much guys, 767 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: and uh, we'll have to do it again soon. Hell's 768 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: great luck, best of luck this year, Jason, keep you 769 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: got you gotta find the new one. I mean, who 770 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: knows if we're gonna have Hellsley back next year, So 771 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna You're gonna have to work on creating that 772 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: that next protege. So we're working on it. Appreciate you 773 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: guys time today, and uh we'll catch up soon. 774 00:33:48,840 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: All right, triv thanks, thank you. He was on the 775 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: New jap