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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Here on a Tuesday, Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Matty glab with you, and we're only here till three.

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Speaker 1: So a little bit of an abbreviated edition of the show,

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Speaker 1: which is fine. There is news around the NFL, even

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Speaker 1: though you know, this is perceived to be the slow

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Speaker 1: time of the NFL calendar, which for all intents and

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Speaker 1: purposes I think it is. But we now have new

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins news, Maddie. I don't want to get anybody

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Speaker 1: too excited, but it doesn't involve the Bills. There's apparently

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Speaker 1: an update now that the Panthers and the Browns are

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Speaker 1: quote unquote lurking to potentially sign DeAndre Hopkins. That according

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Speaker 1: to ESPN, as we know, Hopkins, you know, discussed contract

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Speaker 1: with both the Patriots and the Titans on visits. Panthers

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Speaker 1: and Browns obviously have contacted him in some way, shape

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Speaker 1: or form and said, hey, if you don't like what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing, everywhere else, you know, sit and talk turkey

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Speaker 1: with us, maybe we can come to an agreement. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Browns have the added bonus of hopkins former quarterback

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Speaker 1: being in Cleveland, in Deshaun Watson. You know, they played

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Speaker 1: rapport there. It wouldn't be a matter of getting used

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be interesting to see how it would

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Speaker 1: Team, he would be a number one, number one.

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Speaker 2: You know what with all of this stuff, I know

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Speaker 2: the Bills really aren't in the mix anymore. I am

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Speaker 2: just like, do not go to the Chiefs, to not

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Speaker 2: the AFC East, wherever else you go. Good for you.

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Speaker 1: Wake me up when you sign, yeah, yeah, call me

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Speaker 1: when you sign. I'm kind of in the same place

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Speaker 1: of the bigger names still out there. Although if you

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Speaker 1: resigned to you know what, I'm not going to panic here.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should get a veteran in this room to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing that I just wonder about with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to this point, it was interesting in the beginning

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Speaker 2: What does he really want out of this? If he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just from people we've had on the show,

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Speaker 1: it's not a fit here. Kansas City. How they'll sign

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Speaker 1: For a year.

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Speaker 2: In your mind and your opinion, how much scarier are

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Speaker 1: ESPN's analytics department ran a model to determine the highest

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Speaker 1: AFC playoff percentage. This is according to ESPN Analytics. So

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Speaker 1: they listed the AFC teams one through ten with the

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Speaker 1: an algorithm. And let's go from top to bottom here

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Speaker 1: to no one's surprised that defending Super Bowl champion Chiefs

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Speaker 1: six Chargers, seven Dolphins, eight Browns, nine Steelers, ten. So,

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Speaker 1: looking at this list, Maddie, what grabs you the most

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Speaker 1: it's shocking, whether you think it's on the money anything

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Speaker 2: I think what grabs me the most is looking at

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Speaker 2: the AFC East teams here. So you have the Bills

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Speaker 2: have how many games they've played, and you kind of

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Speaker 2: set an average of games played or games started. And

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Speaker 2: for example, if it was a wide receiver catches, receiving yards,

436
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Speaker 2: receiving touchdowns, you could even go catch rate and all

437
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Speaker 2: that stuff and set a set an halfltage a baseline,

438
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Speaker 2: and then with that baseline based on what other people

439
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Speaker 2: have done in the NFL in their first three years,

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Speaker 2: find that baseline, and then from there you could measure

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Speaker 2: was this a successful pick with where you picked at

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Speaker 2: or was it a bust with where you picked at.

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Speaker 1: Now, would your baseline change based on where they were drafted,

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Speaker 1: because we know that draft choices in the first round

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Speaker 1: are more valuable than draft choices in the second or third.

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Speaker 1: So your baseline's going to have to.

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Speaker 2: Go up, right, Yeah, your baseline would go up the

448
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Speaker 2: higher baseline round one, yeah, baseline around two.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean we all know the old Bill

450
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Speaker 1: Parcels formula for college quarterbacks. He mandated that they had

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Speaker 1: I want to say, at least twenty five career starts

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Speaker 1: in college, over sixty percent completion for their career, a

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Speaker 1: two to one touchdown interception ratio, and I think there

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Speaker 1: were a couple other factors that he would throw in there,

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Speaker 1: and he was of the belief that if you held

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Speaker 1: to those figures, I mean, nothing is an end all

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Speaker 1: be all. But he used that as a guide as

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Speaker 1: to whether or not to put any stock in a

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Speaker 1: quarterback at the pro level or not. And so I

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Speaker 1: can't pretend to know how successful he was with that formula.

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Speaker 1: I guess we could go back and look at players

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Speaker 1: that he drafted over the years and their college stats

463
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Speaker 1: to see if it lined up. But I've seen that

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Speaker 1: written in several places years ago. Now, I'm sure with

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Speaker 1: the advanced analytics they have now, it's they probably have

466
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Speaker 1: a lot better benchmarks to work with. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: nobody really does that after the fact.

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Speaker 2: And I would think by now the way, with the

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Speaker 2: way that analytics.

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Speaker 1: Are, all the projects, those guys and all.

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Speaker 2: The different outlets that we have that use analytics, that

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Speaker 2: we would have something like that, because so many people

473
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Speaker 2: talk about after the fact of a draft or three

474
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Speaker 2: years later, it's like, where's this team at now? Was

475
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Speaker 2: this draft good for the team? Did they miss really

476
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Speaker 2: big on a player? And it's hard to like statistically

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Speaker 2: measure that if you want to look at the stats only.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's maybe some teams you do that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Yeah, that wouldn't shock me, but.

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Speaker 1: They're not giving that away. We have to take a

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Speaker 1: break here, but when we come back, we'll talk with

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Speaker 1: NFL dot COM's Nick Shook. He was asked, along with

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Speaker 1: a host of other NFL dot Com reporters, what fan

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Speaker 1: base deserves a championship more than any other. Guess who

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Speaker 1: we pick? We'll tell you when we come back here.

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Speaker 1: On One Bill's Live, presented by Colid of Health it's

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown Matti lab with you on a Tuesday. Happy

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Speaker 1: to be joined now by around the NFL writer and

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Speaker 1: contributor to NFL Total Access. It is one Nick Schuk

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Speaker 1: joining us here on the program. Still busy pumping out

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Speaker 1: content on NFL dot Com despite the let's just say

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Speaker 1: quiet time of the NFL calendar for all intents and purposes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, quiet time is a great way to put it,

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Speaker 4: but a time in which we must still keep the

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Speaker 4: discussion going forward. And despite you know, not being at

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Speaker 4: the top of you know, the news trend that we

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Speaker 4: get during the season, there's still some things to talk about,

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Speaker 4: and if not, we get a little creative start asking

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Speaker 4: some questions, and we've answered more than a few over

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Speaker 4: on NFL dot com this summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so why don't we begin with the headline grabber,

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Speaker 1: at least for anybody in Western New York. So you

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of your NFL dot Com colleagues are

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Speaker 1: asked what fanbase is most deserving of a Super Bowl championship.

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Speaker 1: And despite the fact that you're down the through way

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland, you picked the Buffalo Bills fan base Bill's

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Speaker 1: Mafia tell us, why.

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Speaker 3: Well, it comes down to a few factors.

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Speaker 4: I mean, of course, you have the four straight losses

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Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl and the pain that still exists

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Speaker 4: from that. Even though that was, you know, decades ago,

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Speaker 4: now it's still I'm sure it's still pretty fresh there.

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Speaker 4: And it creates kind of a mental hurdle where you think, hey,

515
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Speaker 4: we have these chances and now we can't even get

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Speaker 4: back there. And that's really the part that matters more

517
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Speaker 4: to me than anything is you have your star quarterback.

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Speaker 4: You are not dealing with Trent Edwards or JP Losman

519
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Speaker 4: or any of those players anymore. You have Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: You have a player who is on the cover of

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Speaker 4: Madden twenty four for a reason because he's a very

522
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Speaker 4: good quarterback. And that's the number one thing you need

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Speaker 4: the NFL is to have the franchise quarterback. You've also

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Speaker 4: gotten really close, and each the last three years, twice

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Speaker 4: it was the Chiefs that took you down, and then

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Speaker 4: last year it was the Bengals in what was kind

527
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Speaker 4: of a strange game. You know, there's snow on the ground.

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Speaker 4: It kind of neutralizes the pass rush. You don't have

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Speaker 4: Vonon mill Are. You've gone through all these experiences and

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Speaker 4: each time you're left with the same feeling, which is,

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Speaker 4: we were good enough to win, We were good enough

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Speaker 4: to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Your heartbroken, you're disappointed.

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Speaker 4: And the problem now is your title window can only

535
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Speaker 4: be opened for so long. You know, it's rare that

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Speaker 4: teams like the Patriots, you know, sustained success for so long.

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Speaker 3: That's really an organizational thing.

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Speaker 4: And of course the Bills took a very positive step

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Speaker 4: in that direction by you know, getting the contract extensions

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Speaker 4: in line with Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott. But again,

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Speaker 4: every year that you don't make it, the pressure builds.

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Speaker 4: This team should be good enough to contend. They expect

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Speaker 4: to contend out there. Now it's time to get it done.

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Speaker 3: You need it. You need it because of the nineties,

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Speaker 3: you need it because you're good now. You need to

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Speaker 3: get through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the coaches and players this offseason, when asked about

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, they said he had this new focus to him,

549
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Speaker 2: this confidence to him, And when he was asked about it,

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Speaker 2: he said, you know, I know our windows not going

551
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Speaker 2: to be open forever. The biggest goal that I have

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Speaker 2: is to win a super Bowl for the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: and I know we need to get that done. You

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Speaker 2: can want a fan base to have a super Bowl

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Speaker 2: ring because they're an amazing fan base. The Bills are that,

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Speaker 2: the Bill's Mafia is that, but you also have to

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Speaker 2: have that roster. And the Bills thankfully still have a

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Speaker 2: playoff contending, super Bowl contending roster. What do you think

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Speaker 2: about some of their off season moves that maybe makes

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Speaker 2: them even more of a contender this season.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that you know, they reinforce defensively, and

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Speaker 4: their biggest question was offensive line, and I think they've

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Speaker 4: kind of addressed that as well. But what really matters

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Speaker 4: to me more than anything is how does this offense look?

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Speaker 4: Because you know, I was asked the question yesterday who

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Speaker 4: would I rather have and this is going to pain

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Speaker 4: some people there, Joe Burrow or Josh Allen to start

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Speaker 4: a franchise with, and I said Joe Burrow. And the

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Speaker 4: reason is not because you know, he's necessarily better than

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen. It's the way that he's used. You know,

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Speaker 4: he's more of a traditional quarterback. They run Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: too much, in my opinion, they just do to the

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Speaker 4: point where their offense is imbalance. Now, it's unpredictable because

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Speaker 4: you don't know if he's gonna run or if he's

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Speaker 4: gonna throw. And there's an element, you know, a positive

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Speaker 4: element to that. But the traditional running game has lacked

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Speaker 4: in Buffalo for the last few years and it's really

578
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Speaker 4: come to hurt them late in the season, and you

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Speaker 4: hope that they, you know, make a transition toward a

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Speaker 4: little bit more balanced. You know, James Cook looking like

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Speaker 4: he's gonna be the guy, and really for me it's

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Speaker 4: I would take Burrow over Allen. But just because Alan

583
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Speaker 4: takes too many hits, you know, they need to be

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Speaker 4: better with not subjecting him to that, to allowing him

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Speaker 4: to throw the football.

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Speaker 3: Of course, there's always gonna be the element of the run.

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Speaker 4: He's he's a bulldozer of sorts, kind of like a

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Speaker 4: runaway train when he runs with the football, and he's

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Speaker 4: a spectacular player. But if you bring a little bit

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Speaker 4: more balance that offense, we don't even have to talk

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Speaker 4: about the receiving corps. I know that's kind of a

592
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Speaker 4: sore subject in those parts, but you just gotta have

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Speaker 4: more balance. You got to be better offensively and less

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Speaker 4: a little bit less predictable, and I think that that's

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Speaker 4: gonna matter more than the offseason additions, because, like you

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Speaker 4: guys said, you know they're they're in the title window.

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Speaker 3: It's it's time to deliver, all right.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's play off of that a little bit. Nick,

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you anticipate this offense will look like?

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Speaker 1: Knowing the investment made at the guard position with Connor

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Speaker 1: McGovern a second round pick and Osyrus Torrance a proven

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Speaker 1: starter who granted had some injury history, and David Edwards

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Speaker 1: from the Rams. I mean those are three pretty good

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Speaker 1: quality guards to fortify your between the tackles running. And

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Speaker 1: then you have two downhill veterans in Damian Harris and

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Speaker 1: Latavius Murray. Now on this roster, do you think they

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Speaker 1: take some of those hits off of Josh by running

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Speaker 1: those big guys between the tackles a little bit more

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Speaker 1: behind the line that arguably should be better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's face it, let's look at the running

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Speaker 4: back market. The position is devalued. So how do you

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Speaker 4: approach it? You attack it with multiple guys, and you

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Speaker 4: attack it with guys that can run between the tackles consistently.

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Speaker 3: Now, Latavious Murray.

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Speaker 4: You got to give a tip of the hat to

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Speaker 4: him because he has found a way to extend his

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Speaker 4: career multiple years further than I think anybody expected. He

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Speaker 4: takes any job he wants, and now he's in a

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Speaker 4: position where you know he's on a contender and Damien

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Speaker 4: as well. I think that you're gonna get a good

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Speaker 4: balanced backfield here. You're gonna have a lot of options

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Speaker 4: to run the football. It's going to be less predictable

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Speaker 4: when you're based on certain packages.

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Speaker 3: And that's really what's most important to me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like I said earlier, you know, it's about

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Speaker 4: being able to run the football in traditional measures because

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Speaker 4: they know you can run the option. They know Josh

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Speaker 4: Allen can take off. But let's take five to eight

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Speaker 4: hits off of him a game, stretch it over the season.

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Speaker 4: Not only is that going to help you keep him

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Speaker 4: healthy this season, you're going to keep him healthy for

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Speaker 4: much longer in his career. And if these are franchise

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Speaker 4: quarterback and he wants to be here for fifteen years

635
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Speaker 4: or whatever it might be, that's going to be incredibly

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Speaker 4: essential to getting that done. So it starts now, and

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Speaker 4: I really think it helps them, especially when you find

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Speaker 4: yourself in a snow game like they did in the

639
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Speaker 4: playoffs last year. Being able to pound the football. I

640
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: know it's cliche, but it's true. You got to be

641
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: able to control the game on the ground. It's the

642
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: element I think they've just been lacking. Where they're dropping

643
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Speaker 4: him back and throw forty fifty times a game. You

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Speaker 4: don't need to see that anymore. You could throw the

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Speaker 4: ball down the field. You have Stefan Diggs, you got

646
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Speaker 4: Gabe Davis, you got.

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Speaker 3: Other guys as well.

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Speaker 4: You get two tight ends who are really good, and

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Speaker 4: you're gonna be able to create mismatches. But you still

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Speaker 4: need that running game element, even if it is a

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Speaker 4: pass first league.

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Speaker 2: We were discussing the landscape of the A about twenty

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Speaker 2: minutes ago on this show, and last year, the AFC

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Speaker 2: West was the gauntlet. It was they're gonna beat each

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Speaker 2: other up and spit out a winner, and that really

656
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Speaker 2: didn't happen because the Denver Broncos kind of it was

657
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Speaker 2: a flap for them last year. And we're looking at

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Speaker 2: the AFC this year and the AFC East and the

659
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Speaker 2: AFC North looked to be those divisions where you have

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Speaker 2: more than two teams that could really beat up on

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Speaker 2: each other and then crown a champion. But it's gonna

662
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Speaker 2: be tough to get out of that AFC. What do

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Speaker 2: you think about the battle between the Bengals, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: and the Bills when it comes to the end of

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Speaker 2: the season the playoffs. I mean, you mentioned it in

666
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Speaker 2: your first answer. The Chiefs have gotten in the way

667
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Speaker 2: of the Bills a couple times, and it was the

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Speaker 2: Bengals last year. Do you see those two rosters getting

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Speaker 2: even better this season? Is there any more hope that

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Speaker 2: the Bills fans can have as we head into training

671
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Speaker 2: camp knowing that maybe one of those teams is lacking

672
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Speaker 2: something still, or you look at at the Bengals and

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs as teams that can still knock a talented

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Speaker 2: team like the Bills out of the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Bengals had some departures, but at the

676
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Speaker 4: same time, they went and got Orlando Brown. They restock.

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Speaker 4: They feel very good about their team down there. I

678
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Speaker 4: can tell you that they feel extremely good about the

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Speaker 4: roster that they've put together and the experience that they've

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Speaker 4: gained over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to be there. The Chiefs aren't

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Speaker 3: going anywhere.

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Speaker 4: They figured out a formula where they don't even need

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Speaker 4: a star receiver and they can still throw the ball

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Speaker 4: over the yard and maintain that explosive offense that they've

686
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Speaker 4: become so well known for. And I think the Bills

687
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Speaker 4: should be right there as well, provided they can avoid injury.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think this is going to be

689
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Speaker 4: a battle tested team in Buffalo because you're gonna have

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Speaker 4: to get through a gauntlet that is the AFC East.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, you know, we did we learn a

692
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Speaker 4: lesson from the West last year? Yeah, we did to

693
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Speaker 4: a degree. You know, setting expectations too high seeing it

694
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Speaker 4: as an arms race, it's really tough to get three

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Speaker 4: teams out of a division into the playoffs. So you

696
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Speaker 4: had to expect that one or two teams, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Raiders being another one. We're going to falter. They

698
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Speaker 4: were going to come up short.

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Speaker 3: The East is I mean, there's a lot of hype there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have the Bills obviously, It's almost like

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Speaker 4: the Bills are going to go overlooked because they've been

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Speaker 4: the kings of this division for a few years now.

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Speaker 4: You have the Jets, everybody's paying attention to the Jets. I,

704
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Speaker 4: you know, a little bit skeptical. You know, show it

705
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Speaker 4: to me, proved to me that it's all gonna work out,

706
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Speaker 4: and then you know, maybe I'll hop on board. But

707
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Speaker 4: the Dolphins still kind of loom too, because if to

708
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Speaker 4: us healthy, that's a highly explosive offense and a defense

709
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Speaker 4: that's better than some people realize. They got a lot

710
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Speaker 4: of young studs on that defense, Javon Holland, Jalen Phillips,

711
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Speaker 4: a number of other guys as well. So I think

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a weekly battle. You know, those

713
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Speaker 4: six Division games you play, even New England, you can

714
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Speaker 4: never count them out, which is crazy to say considering

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Speaker 4: who they were for the last two decades. Essentially, now

716
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Speaker 4: that they're kind of the cellar dweller in this very tough.

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Speaker 3: Division, it's going to be a weekly battle. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be a weekly test.

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Speaker 4: And by the time they get to the playoffs, that

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Speaker 4: the Bills are healthy enough, they're going to have enough

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Speaker 4: experience playing in these tight games where they're going to realize, hey,

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Speaker 4: we're prepared for this. Not only do we get in

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Speaker 4: this situation. Over the last few years, we've dealt with

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Speaker 4: this six times this season alone.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: We're ready.

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Speaker 3: It's just a matter of them getting there and then

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Speaker 3: getting the job done.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, as Maddie manchins, the AFC West last

730
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Speaker 1: year doesn't shake out to be this situation where teams

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Speaker 1: are cannibalizing each other in their vision matchups. The one hole,

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Speaker 1: the one constant from that division that's now in the

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Speaker 1: AFC East is Nathaniel Hackett, who obviously things did not

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Speaker 1: go over well in Denver. No, for what reasons should

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Speaker 1: we believe they're going to be better in New York?

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Speaker 1: As he inherits another veteran quarterback, granted someone he's worked

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Speaker 1: with before.

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Speaker 4: I think that this is often the case in which

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Speaker 4: there are great coordinators who are just not made to

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Speaker 4: be head coaches.

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Speaker 3: And I think.

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Speaker 4: Nathaniel Hackett was dealt a very tough handed Denver. And

743
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Speaker 4: it kind of if we look all the way back

744
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Speaker 4: to the introductory press conference for Russell Wilson, that was

745
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Speaker 4: like the moment where you're like, maybe this guy's in

746
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 4: over his head. He's like, Wow, Russell Wilson, this is crazy,

747
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Speaker 4: Like you could tell, you know, he just didn't have

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Speaker 4: the experience to kind of handle it in a more

749
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Speaker 4: you know, subdued manner, and and you know, but I

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Speaker 4: think he's still a pretty solid offensive coordinator and the results,

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of prove that with his time in

752
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Speaker 4: Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers. So I think the rapport

753
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Speaker 4: and familiarity is going to help them kind of hit

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Speaker 4: the ground running.

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Speaker 3: I'm more kept go about, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, whether Rogers really has all the jute that he's

757
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Speaker 4: shown he's had over the last few years. There were

758
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Speaker 4: a couple throws that I can just think of right

759
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: off the top of my head where he just blatantly

760
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: missed his guy in a way that I've never seen

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Speaker 4: him miss him. And now, granted, he was playing with

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Speaker 4: a bunch of young receivers that he didn't have a

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Speaker 4: rapport with, but he's kind of walking into a similar

764
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Speaker 4: situation in New York because he's got Allen Thozar, he's

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Speaker 4: got Rental Cobb. That's great, but the rest of these

766
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Speaker 4: guys in this team he has not played with, so

767
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Speaker 4: these reps are going to be crucial. He did miss

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Speaker 4: a little bit of OTA's with that calf issue. That

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Speaker 4: training camp is going to be crucial. But I think

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Speaker 4: the Hackett Rogers thing. They're gonna fit in pretty seamlessly.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna set the bar at he's gonna win

772
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Speaker 4: another MVP because it's just a new setting. They're both

773
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Speaker 4: coming off different experiences last year. But I think it's

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Speaker 4: more beneficial than you know, pairing him with you know,

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Speaker 4: a Brian Schottenheimer who you know left the Jets, or

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Speaker 4: somebody else who is more random to him than Hackett is.

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Speaker 1: And we'll have a chance to look even closer at

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Speaker 1: those Jets through training camp. If in fact the reports

779
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Speaker 1: are true and they end up on hard knocks this summer,

780
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Speaker 1: only raising the hypemeter all the more for that team,

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Speaker 1: and Bill's fans will be paying attention because the Bills

782
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Speaker 1: and Jet says, you know, play week one on Monday night. Nick,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the time, enjoy your summer. We'll catch up

784
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Speaker 1: with you down the line in the fall.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, all right.

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Speaker 1: That's Nick Shook from NFL dot Com. That's where you

787
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: can find his work there is. He tries to keep

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Speaker 1: the NFL topical during this dead period that we're all

789
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Speaker 1: living through. Here. Heck, we only have an hour to talk,

790
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: but I think, well, I think.

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Speaker 2: We'll be okay, I know, right, we can always find

792
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: something to talk about when it comes to the Bills,

793
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: the roster of the AFC East. He also released an

794
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Speaker 2: article of make or break candidates. Didn't get to ask

795
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Speaker 2: him about that, but Tua Tongueailoo was on that list

796
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Speaker 2: of players who kind of have a make or break

797
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Speaker 2: season this upcoming season, and his reason was, you know,

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Speaker 2: Tua just needs to stay on the field and stay healthy.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if that's the case for that quarterback.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be the number one question for him

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Speaker 1: until he proves otherwise. Break time for us. But Maddie

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Speaker 1: and I back to close things up next here on

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Speaker 1: one Bill's presented by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. So,

804
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: as Maddie and I told you, there was a list

805
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: that Nick Schook was on among his NFL dot com counterparts.

806
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Speaker 1: They had to pick which NFL fan base most deserves

807
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl title. Nick picked the Bills. I got

808
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: a bone to pick with David Carr.

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Speaker 2: Some of these just made me want to bar The.

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Speaker 1: Guy picked the Dallas Cowboys. Are you serious? They've got

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Speaker 1: five Super Bowl titles?

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Speaker 2: Why do they need a six?

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Speaker 3: Five?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Look, I know They've been the picture of playoff disappointment

816
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: the last two decades. But come on with that. You've

817
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: got five in your trophy case. Already, get the heck

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Speaker 1: out of here. The other thing I wanted to bring up, Maddie,

819
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Speaker 1: the NFL tickets in Europe talk about a hot commodity.

820
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Speaker 1: So tickets for Dolphins Chiefs which is taking place in Frankfurt, Germany.

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Speaker 1: They sold out in fifteen minutes, and they said the

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Speaker 1: ticket people said there were over a million people in

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Speaker 1: the queue when it sold out, so there were still

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Speaker 1: like another million people trying to get tickets. How far

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Speaker 1: away do you think people are coming in Europe to

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Speaker 1: go to like a game in Germany? Like are we

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Speaker 1: talking like Estonia?

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Speaker 2: I would say this is a lifetime type of experience

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people in Europe, so they will travel.

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Speaker 1: I know they are football crazy in Germany, so I

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Speaker 1: would imagine anywhere in Germany if you like football, you're

832
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Speaker 1: trying to get to that game, especially with the defending

833
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champs playing. But I'm really curious because you know,

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Speaker 1: we talk about Bill's road trips all the time and

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Speaker 1: the lengths people to go to to go to away

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Speaker 1: games here but how far away in Europe are they

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Speaker 1: doing that? Like we talk about Scandinavia, we're talking to like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know India, North Africa, Like how far are

839
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Speaker 1: they coming from? I really hope they have a study

840
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Speaker 1: on that, because I'd be interested to.

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Speaker 2: See and knowing that there's millions of people who want

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Speaker 2: to watch NFL football in Europe.

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00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, in person, it's pretty Will.

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Speaker 2: There be a time where there's a division in Europe?

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Speaker 1: We have another abbreviated version of our show tomorrow due

846
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Speaker 1: to the NHL Draft coverage with Marty and Duffer down

847
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: in Nashville. So we're on again tomorrow at two and

848
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Speaker 1: we'll have Kevin Clark from The Ringer joining us. We'll

849
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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow at two