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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. Let me tell you

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Speaker 1: we have a new star.

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Speaker 2: A star is born Elon pumped up on mars Uson Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: He is the Thomas Edison plus plus plus of our age.

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Speaker 4: Probably his whole life is from a position of insecurity.

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Speaker 5: I feel for the guy.

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Speaker 1: I would say ninety eight percent really appreciate what he does.

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Speaker 1: But those two percent that are nasty, they are I'll

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Speaker 1: pit in four post.

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Speaker 6: We are meant for great things in the United States

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Speaker 6: of America, and Elon reminds.

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Speaker 7: Us of that we don't have a fourth branch of

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Speaker 7: governments called Elon Musk.

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Speaker 8: Welcome to Elon, Inc. Bloomberg's weekly podcast about Elon Musk.

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Speaker 8: It's Tuesday, February twenty fifth. I'm Max Chafkin, and today

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Speaker 8: we have.

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Speaker 9: Another special episode.

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Speaker 8: We are bringing you a conversation we had live on

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Speaker 8: stage at the on Air Fest in Brooklyn on Thursday,

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Speaker 8: and it was all about Doge, featuring me your normal host,

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Speaker 8: David Papadopolis, Bloomberg's Elon Musk reporter Dana Hall, and a

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Speaker 8: special guest, McKenna Kelly of Wired Magazine, who, along with

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Speaker 8: a bunch of other reporters at Wired has really been

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Speaker 8: all over the Doge story. We were so excited to

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Speaker 8: talk to her about Elon's journey through the federal government,

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Speaker 8: but before we get there, it was another chaotic, fascinating,

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Speaker 8: wild weekend of Musk news, especially Musk news around Trump.

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Speaker 8: On Saturday night, federal workers, including judges, nurses, office works,

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Speaker 8: everyone received an email from the Office of Personnel Management

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Speaker 8: the OPM, asking them to list five bullet points of

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Speaker 8: their accomplishments of the past week. And then on X

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Speaker 8: Elon said if you didn't do that, then you would

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Speaker 8: be fired. And there was confusion in the days hours

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Speaker 8: of followed. You had government officials saying they didn't have

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Speaker 8: so we're going to break that all down and to

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Speaker 8: do that. Joining me is Kurt Wagner, Bloomberg social media

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Speaker 8: reporter and of course the QB one of this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Kurt, QB one, I appreciate that, IMAX.

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Speaker 9: Hey Kurt, all right, so Kurt, you read this email.

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Speaker 8: Let's start just tell us what happened, and I want

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Speaker 8: to hear what you think is kind of going on,

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Speaker 8: what Elon must be trying to do here.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, as you mentioned on Saturday, federal employees received

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Speaker 6: this email with the subject line what did you do

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Speaker 6: last week? And the directive was to essentially reply to

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Speaker 6: sort of twofold here, right. The first is perhaps the obvious,

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Speaker 6: like Elon is simply challenging people to justify their existence

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Speaker 6: And it's some thing that we can talk about, but

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Speaker 6: that we've seen him do at Twitter over the years

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Speaker 6: and some of his other businesses. The other thing that's

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Speaker 6: a repeat from Elon, is he believes that there are

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: His sort of theory is, if you don't reply to

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Speaker 6: and therefore you know, we shouldn't be paying you. And again,

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Speaker 6: this is something when he took over Twitter, before he

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Speaker 6: Right after he took over, he actually had executives at

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Speaker 8: Apparently, the experience of being an employee receiving an email

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Speaker 9: Would I would? I would not.

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Speaker 8: Only thing I would think about for the next like

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Speaker 6: Well, I think there's an element of that, right, And

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Speaker 8: And just like with the fork in the road email,

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Speaker 8: from the same email address. And Kurt, there's the other

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Speaker 8: talking about a private company, of course, like firing employees,

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Speaker 8: laying people off is a pretty effective way of cutting costs.

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Speaker 8: Not clear at least when we're talking about the federal budget.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think to your point, in a private company,

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Speaker 6: And so again, I think this is as as much

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Speaker 9: The federal post as HR strategy, right.

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Speaker 8: the point is not to get any kind of response.

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Speaker 8: And clearly Musk has said already that they're not going

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Speaker 4: I think that's right.

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Speaker 6: I think that there's a huge part of this that

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's a rhetorical question.

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Speaker 8: The goal here is not to legitimately find out, you know, hey,

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Speaker 8: I think more importantly, to show Donald Trump Republican voters,

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 6: And I think these supporters of this strategy, their argument

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Speaker 6: that is not the intention of this, right Like, part

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Speaker 6: of it is to say, justify your job. But again,

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Speaker 8: So, Kurt, we're talking about like what Elon Musk may

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Speaker 6: So I think it's a good question, right, because if

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Speaker 6: like just manually to review that stuff in any meaningful

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Speaker 4: We're not actually going to do these reviews. Right.

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Speaker 6: But again, if we're looking at what he's done, historically,

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Speaker 8: So one thing that happened is.

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Speaker 8: Who are already I've already tried to oppose Musk's authority

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And advising federal workers to ignore this too, right,

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Speaker 6: saying basically, don't take the bait, don't don't respond to

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Speaker 6: You'll remember in November of twenty twenty two, shortly after

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Speaker 6: email that we're all now familiar with because of the

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Speaker 1: So we are indeed gonna spend plenty of time talking

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Speaker 3: So, so Elon has spent a lot of time in

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Speaker 3: Action Committee And they're like very like Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five adjacent, Heritage Foundation adjacent, like there's they do Seapack

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Speaker 3: and hungry Like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is where all the conservatives go

443
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Speaker 5: to talk policy, meet each other, mix every year. It's

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Speaker 5: like the conference for the whole party.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got astronauts coming back from the moon.

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Speaker 1: Max thinks he's got a baby over there. He's tracking,

447
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Speaker 1: and we got must showing up at seapack. Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: going to move on to doge, and we're going to

449
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Speaker 1: go back as we think about dose. We're going to

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Speaker 1: go back to the very beginning when the whole doze

451
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Speaker 1: thing began. August of last year. Elon Musk is quote

452
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Speaker 1: unquote interviewing Donald Trump, and as he's interviewing him, he

453
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Speaker 1: raises the idea about, Hey, what about this doge thing?

454
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Speaker 1: I got this idea? What say you, mister President? And

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Speaker 1: let's listen to that audio clip.

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Speaker 2: I think it'd be great to just have a government

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Speaker 2: efficiency commission that takes a look at these things and

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Speaker 2: and just ensures that the taxpayer money that the taxpayers

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Speaker 2: are harder money, is spent in a good way.

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Speaker 11: And I'd be happy to help out on such a commission.

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Speaker 1: I'd love it if when.

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Speaker 10: You you're the greatest cutter, I mean, I look at

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Speaker 10: what you do, you want to they go I won't

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Speaker 10: mention the name of the company, but they go on strike,

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Speaker 10: and you say that's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, You're all gone.

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Speaker 10: You're all gone, So every one of you is gone,

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Speaker 10: and you are the greatest. You would be very good,

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Speaker 10: Oh you would love it.

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Speaker 1: For a second, here in the audience, I want to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. Clap if you feel like you have

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Speaker 1: a good understanding of what doze is. Clap mak Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: clap if you feel like you really kind of don't

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Speaker 1: have a very good understanding at all. Okay, so that's

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Speaker 1: more who don't than do? Kenna? You are all doze

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Speaker 1: all the time right now? Wired, Tell these folks what

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Speaker 1: they need to know about dose? What is dog? Give

478
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Speaker 1: me a letter by letter the D the O.

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Speaker 5: Tell you what is the most granular level? True? It

480
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Speaker 5: stands for the Department of Government Efficiency. It is in

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Speaker 5: fact based on the shiba Inu DOJ meme coin whatever,

482
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Speaker 5: a meme that Elon has used profusely over several several years.

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Speaker 5: And first of all, it is a so called agency.

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Speaker 5: It is not an actual agent. Well, it's real in

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Speaker 5: some people's hearts and minds, but it is not an

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Speaker 5: actual Well.

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Speaker 1: What makes an actual agency an actual agency? What do

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Speaker 1: you need?

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Speaker 5: An Act of Congress? An Act of Congress? And so instead,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think he did this incredibly creatively, being

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Speaker 5: able to subsume what was previously the United States Digital Service,

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Speaker 5: which already was doing. It was created by Obama in

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Speaker 5: the twenty tens to fix healthcare dot gov. If we remember,

494
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Speaker 5: healthcare dot gov when it first rolled out, was completely unstable.

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Speaker 5: It was like one of the biggest talking points Republicans

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Speaker 5: had against healthcare dot gov. So said, let's get a

497
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Speaker 5: bunch of technologists from the private sector, Let's bring them

498
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Speaker 5: in put them on two to three year tours. Right,

499
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Speaker 5: this is like a tour in government because they could

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Speaker 5: be making so much more money elsewhere in the private

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Speaker 5: sector and brought them into government to make government more efficient.

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Speaker 5: Like this is what it was doing like ten plus yearsage.

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Speaker 5: It was Doge before Doge, and so Doge has now

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Speaker 5: subsumed USDs as of this week. I heard they have

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Speaker 5: their all you know standing staff meeting on Tuesdays. And

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Speaker 5: from what I heard about that meeting is that now

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Speaker 5: Dough has created a bit of a firewall between like

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Speaker 5: legacy USDs and then like the new Doge folks.

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Speaker 1: How many legacy people are still around?

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Speaker 5: There was originally two hundred and so one fifty of

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Speaker 5: them now after Friday's layoffs, and now we have how

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Speaker 5: many Doge people, which is not very clear. And they

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Speaker 5: had the Doge folks that created essentially a firewall between

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Speaker 5: Legacy USDs and Doge. They were not interacting. They had

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Speaker 5: one meeting with a Doge representative in the whole month

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Speaker 5: that it's been around. And so this Tuesday and the

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Speaker 5: meeting that I'm talking about, these Doge folks, they had

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Speaker 5: a meeting with these people and told them that it's

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Speaker 5: all Doge going forward, Like the teams are merging. If

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Speaker 5: you're still here, you have not been terminated. Yeah, these

521
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Speaker 5: teams are together, We're going to do.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be subsumed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And so it's official. Everything has become Dune.

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Speaker 8: Did they all have to change their screen names to obscene?

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Speaker 9: Did they all require to be big balls or whatever?

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Speaker 11: You know?

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Speaker 1: I wish they could because now I'm thinking, wait, you

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Speaker 1: can't just throw big balls in there like that without

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Speaker 1: explaining Hold on one second, Max.

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Speaker 8: Many of the Doge employees are people that Musk and

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Speaker 8: his associates found basically like on the Internet. They're like

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Speaker 8: edge lord types, like like Elon Musk and I guess

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Speaker 8: the most famous one is this gentleman the big balls.

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Speaker 1: So presumably not his god given no surprised.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it is weirdly like a kind of bizarro

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Speaker 8: version of that moment that you're describing back in the

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Speaker 8: Obama years, where a bunch of tech guys were like, yeah,

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Speaker 8: government doesn't work, we are the ones to fix it,

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Speaker 8: and they descend it on Washington, and I mean, I

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Speaker 8: don't know, you actually probably have a better understanding of

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Speaker 8: how well it worked. I don't think the Healthcare dot

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Speaker 8: gov thing, although they did seem to keep it online,

543
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Speaker 8: but it wasn't like some kind of shine.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure that worked all that great.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if we all remember that as like

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Speaker 8: the greatest moment of Silicon Valley's performance in history. And

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Speaker 8: it's kind of happening again, but with this new weird

548
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Speaker 8: elon Musk's beIN on it well, where everyone's like super

549
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Speaker 8: mad at the establishment and tweel Max.

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Speaker 1: But if it's happening again, but it's I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that anybody realized that that service was even

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Speaker 1: a thing back, you know, ten years ago. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody in Western're in Washington, probably nobody noticed. Everybody

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Speaker 1: has noticed OGE. It's certainly much more, much more high

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Speaker 1: profile and making a lot more waves than its predecessor did. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's how the group was created. What is like the

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Speaker 1: one thing they should know about it in terms of

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Speaker 1: how DOSEE is going about its business on Elon Musk's

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Speaker 1: guidance day in and day out.

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Speaker 5: Well, now that they moved it outside of the opposite

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Speaker 5: management and budget, this is all very boring bureaucratic stuff.

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Speaker 5: Funny enough the fact that they hate bureaucracy, but they

563
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Speaker 5: moved it underneath the executive opposite of the president, which

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Speaker 5: means that they are reporting directly to the White House,

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Speaker 5: which means like a lot of the records that they

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Speaker 5: have are no longer for you.

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Speaker 1: So by not being foiable, they're not the kind of

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Speaker 1: thing that the press can say, hey, we would like

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Speaker 1: to put in a request for greater information.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no transparency at all. Like the transparency is

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Speaker 3: there is a website where it's.

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Speaker 1: Like a live feed from X or doge website, a.

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Speaker 3: Doge website where they're purporting to cut costs, but there's

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Speaker 3: no transparency about like who DOGE is. So like an

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Speaker 3: enormous amount of reporting firepower has been spent. Like who

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Speaker 3: from Doge is showing up at your agency? Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: have you seen their badges? Like are they like some

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Speaker 3: of them are not even wearing badges, Like they're being

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Speaker 3: very like circumspect about who they actually are, which flies

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Speaker 3: in the face of this whole idea that this is

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Speaker 3: a transparent effort.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the way that it's been put to me, when

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Speaker 5: like these Doge folks show up, they are boys in

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Speaker 5: jeans wearing backpacks full of laptops.

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Speaker 1: Like this is how it's like they're literally that young.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like nineteen to twenty five is the ages of

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Speaker 5: a lot of these folks.

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Speaker 8: That they've hired, big balls.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he is one of the youngest, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And then some of them are like venture capitalists who

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Speaker 3: have like experience with private equity or like relative some

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Speaker 3: of them are McKinsey consultants, Like there are like adult

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Speaker 3: spit like in some cases.

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Speaker 5: Helped cut Twitter, right, Like see Davis who is one

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Speaker 5: of the big cots cutters when the Twitter takeover happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so now, Dana, you like to remind me frequently

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Speaker 1: and you've drilled it into my head. How as we

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Speaker 1: heard on that clip at the beginning. This idea of

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Speaker 1: creating Doge to go out and gut the government and

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Speaker 1: bring down spending is not a Donald Trump idea. It

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Speaker 1: is an Elon Musk idea that he put in Trump's

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Speaker 1: head and then he effectively appointed himself. Why is that

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Speaker 1: for you such a crucial thing as we try to

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Speaker 1: understand and conceptualize of what they're up to.

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Speaker 5: Well, two things.

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Speaker 3: I think that one thing to just know is just

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Speaker 3: even the fact that we're all saying the name Doge

608
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Speaker 3: is like Musk has already won because he's invented something

609
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Speaker 3: that's not a department. He calls it a department, and

610
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Speaker 3: now we're all using doge. It's entered the lexicon. So

611
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Speaker 3: it's given is to give. It's been given this like gravitas.

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Speaker 3: But for him, well, i mean, now the you know, no,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, I'm just saying, it's like it's very

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Speaker 3: clever how he got this, got this off the ground.

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Speaker 3: But for for Musk, it's all about regulation. So Musk

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Speaker 3: has said over and over again that like, you know,

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Speaker 3: he feels like the giant being held down, like American

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Speaker 3: promise is being held down by all these like strings

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Speaker 3: of regulation. And bureaucracy and we just need to like

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Speaker 3: cut the strings in America will be great again. And

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Speaker 3: all of his companies are highly regulated, like you cannot

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Speaker 3: launch a rocket without the FAA approval, the fish and

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Speaker 3: wildlife has to sign off on, like how it's you know,

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Speaker 3: messing up the wetlands. Tesla's autonomous or semi autonomous cars,

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Speaker 3: like NITSA is investigating them. I mean every like he's

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Speaker 3: got six companies, you know, the FDA in neural so

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Speaker 3: he's very interested in what these agencies are doing. And

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Speaker 3: if he can cut regulations, that is just going to

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Speaker 3: help his businesses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, very much the case. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: for sure he had just about all of his companies

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Speaker 1: I would think, in one form or another are subject

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Speaker 1: to government regulation in some cases, the case of Tesla

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Speaker 1: and SpaceX quite a bit. I mean, I guess for me,

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Speaker 1: the one thing that stands out to me a little

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Speaker 1: bit is whether ultimately Musk's Doze group is the right

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Speaker 1: group to be doing this and this is the right

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Speaker 1: way to go about it or not. Obviously that is

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Speaker 1: a question that's very very very much still out there.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that it comes now and that there

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Speaker 1: appears to be a certain amount of political will to

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Speaker 1: tolerate it. That it comes in the wake of the

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Speaker 1: greatest inflation surge in this country in a half century.

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Speaker 1: I do not think is a coincidence. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the way historians will look at it. I mean Musk

646
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Speaker 1: in that interview back in August that when he states

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Speaker 1: he does not talk about I want you to stop

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Speaker 1: regulating my companies. He says, you know, runaway government spending

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Speaker 1: is driving inflation, and that's attacks on the American people.

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Speaker 1: And it's true, parties of both sides, Republicans and Democrats,

651
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Speaker 1: have driven the US fiscal accounts to the point where

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Speaker 1: we are running absolutely unprecedented budget deficits, and that seemed

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Speaker 1: to be to a certain extent untenable. Again, the big

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Speaker 1: issue is whether we all feel like the American people

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Speaker 1: feel like it's the Doze Committee that should be going

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Speaker 1: about bringing that under control. I mean, Max, I guess

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Speaker 1: the question I'd have for you is whether you love

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk or hate him. It is it's so seemingly

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Speaker 1: improbable when we were doing this podcast as innocent young

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Speaker 1: people a year or so ago, if somebody said to us, hey,

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Speaker 1: in February of twenty twenty five. You're going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about this and how Musk is running the show

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Speaker 1: and he's the biggest story in the world. He's in

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Speaker 1: the White House, he's doing all these things. We would

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Speaker 1: have said it's absurd. It does speak to his force

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Speaker 1: of nature. Demon mode kind of aspect of demon mode

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Speaker 1: is what he himself calls it.

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Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I don't think I would have said it

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Speaker 8: was absurd. I feel like part.

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Speaker 1: Of you coming why don't you tell us?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I just I think people who followed Elon Musk,

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Speaker 8: although it is, I think there are aspects of this

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Speaker 8: that are surprising. It's it's surprising that he is somebody

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Speaker 8: who was ideologically McKenna brought this up earlier, you know,

675
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Speaker 8: ideologically fairly centrist slash kind of like trying to be slippery.

676
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Speaker 8: Is just like so full bore into maga Like that

677
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Speaker 8: is surprising, But it's not surprising that he is trying

678
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Speaker 8: to work it politically, like his entire career has been this.

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Speaker 5: He's just doing this.

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Speaker 1: But at such a different gale.

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Speaker 8: The way he has made money throughout his career basically

682
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Speaker 8: is by some combination of politics and technology, like.

683
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Speaker 9: Working the levers of power. He did this with SpaceX.

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Speaker 8: SpaceX was as much as Musk likes to talk about

685
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Speaker 8: it as this thing that he created or whatever, like

686
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Speaker 8: the federal government essentially paid him to create it, We

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Speaker 8: taxpayers paid him to create it, and Tesla is kind

688
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Speaker 8: of it's a similar story. I mean, obviously Tesla has

689
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Speaker 8: done some amazing things. I'd say clearly it's Musk's greatest

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Speaker 8: achievement of his career, maybe one of the great companies

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Speaker 8: built over the last twenty years. But it's also one

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Speaker 8: that was very much built on the back of federal

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Speaker 8: policy and.

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Speaker 9: Federal tax dollars.

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Speaker 4: So, like, you know, he's doing that again.

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Speaker 8: He's just he's just found this like really kind of

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Speaker 8: amazing opportunity in terms of the moment that you described,

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Speaker 8: the political moment, and maybe in Donald Trump, somebody who

699
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Speaker 8: is perhaps uniquely open to these ideas, who's going to

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Speaker 8: see the value of Elon Musk and he's going to

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Speaker 8: be ideologically flexible enough to like divert his whole presidency.

702
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Speaker 8: He's like diverted the whole Trump agenda into Elon Musk Land.

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Speaker 8: Like that is that's kind of wild when you think

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Speaker 8: about it.

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Speaker 1: No, that's fair enough. But I just want to say

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Speaker 1: that I know you two think I don't listen to

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Speaker 1: you guys. I listen to you guys, and so I

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Speaker 1: know you always indeed describe Musk in that he's got

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Speaker 1: that chameleon quality as right as an operator. What you know,

710
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Speaker 1: he was tight with Obama, he was tight with maybe

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Speaker 1: Big Bush to a certain extent. Right, he was Mine

712
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Speaker 1: was like, he's like, I'm super pumped to work five, right,

713
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Speaker 1: and then with Trump won, he was there. But like

714
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Speaker 1: I guess my question is, is this simply the chameleon

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Speaker 1: changing his colors again, it's and going with the vibe

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Speaker 1: in Washington, or it feels to me like he's become

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Speaker 1: the vibe, he's setting the vibe. Is this a break?

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Speaker 3: I think I think that Max and I have talked

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Speaker 3: for years now about how like he really shifted during

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Speaker 3: the pandemic, and you saw like he started being flirting

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Speaker 3: with COVID denihalism, He moved to Texas, he became increasingly

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Speaker 3: anti immigrant, the whole thing with his trans daughter, and

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Speaker 3: this is just sort of the culmination of that. But

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Speaker 3: the other thing at play here that I'm going to

725
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Speaker 3: keep hammering on is he does not want NASA to

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Speaker 3: go to the Moon. He just wants to go to Mars.

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Speaker 1: Those two that are on the moon get him to Mars, right,

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Speaker 1: Like why are they thing to come back?

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Speaker 3: And if you watch the inauguration speech, Trump said We're

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Speaker 3: going to plant the stars and pypes on Mars by

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Speaker 3: the end of my first term.

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Speaker 5: And Musk was like, yes, how awesome.

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Speaker 9: This is all about Mars.

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Speaker 3: This is all about Mars. And it's a quid pro quo,

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Speaker 3: Like I gave you three hundred million dollars to get elected.

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Speaker 5: What I want return?

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Speaker 8: I want Doge and I want so much money, right,

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Speaker 8: Like people are so focused on these like what could

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Speaker 8: Musk get out of the CFTC maruld be?

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Speaker 1: How much is it going to cost to get to Mars?

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Speaker 8: I mean I haven't checked with my local Mars dealer lately,

742
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Speaker 8: but like it's it's billions, if not tens of billions

743
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Speaker 8: of dollars in contracts to SpaceX.

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Speaker 9: That's what it would be worth.

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Speaker 1: All right. Listen, speaking of big numbers, we got another

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Speaker 1: clip that we're going to play on Doge cost cutting

747
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Speaker 1: and what they're trying to do this is Elon and

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Speaker 1: Trump in an interview with Sean Hannity earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen.

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Speaker 7: How much do you believe Elon and you've identified and

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Speaker 7: waste for aud of vi as corruption now, and how

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Speaker 7: much do you anticipate you sure, well, I think no,

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Speaker 7: because it's so massive.

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Speaker 4: This is huge money. So which about.

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Speaker 12: As hard as they are, they're not going to find

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Speaker 12: some contract that was crooked, you know, crooked as hell.

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Speaker 12: I mean, there's going to be so much, isn't faut?

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Speaker 5: But what is that?

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Speaker 12: I think he's going to find a trillion dollars, but

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Speaker 12: I think it's a very small percentage compared to what

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Speaker 12: it is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the president says he's going to find a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars, presumably this is annually. I don't know, mckennath,

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Speaker 1: what as far as your reporting shows and as far

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Speaker 1: as with the Doze team is saying, how much have

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Speaker 1: they cut so far from the US federal budget?

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Speaker 5: If you look at the website, it says fifty five billion.

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Speaker 1: Dollars five billion with the.

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Speaker 5: B yes, okay, and that is not accurate.

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Speaker 1: And we know that's not accurate.

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Speaker 5: How because we can look at the itemized feed and

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Speaker 5: see that numbers. There was a figure they don't add.

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Speaker 1: What do so what in the itemized side, what does

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Speaker 1: it add up to?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if I remember correctly, was like sixteen right,

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Speaker 5: sixteen billion.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, but even that's a little dice, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 8: because like one of the there's an eight billion dollar

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Speaker 8: contract in there, right, that's actually.

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Speaker 5: Diversity, Equity and Inclusion contract for the DHS. That's actually

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Speaker 5: worth eight million, right, Yeah, it's eight million. Eight billion,

782
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Speaker 5: which is eight billion is like how much the CDC

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Speaker 5: has to spend every year.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, just so everyone's clear, the US federal

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Speaker 1: annual budget is just shy of seven trillion dollars a year, right.

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Speaker 1: When they throw around that trillion dollar number, it actually started.

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Speaker 1: You guys were there at Madison Square Garden. You guys

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Speaker 1: were there, and I think he threw out a two

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar number.

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Speaker 9: At least he said at least fairly.

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Speaker 1: I think he said like fair.

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Speaker 3: Easy, fairly easy, which is basically cutting.

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Speaker 5: Like a third.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's obviously which you.

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Speaker 3: Can't do unless you go after entitlement spending. So that's

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Speaker 3: the other thing I want people to really think about.

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Speaker 3: Like we were talking about Medicare, Social Security, the IRS,

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Speaker 3: student loan program, like like, ultimately, McKenna, do you think

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Speaker 3: that the goal is just to privatize wholesale pieces of this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like I think that's a fair assumption

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Speaker 5: to make.

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Speaker 1: And every single privatize what like what would we be

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Speaker 1: privately well, all kinds of.

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Speaker 5: So we've been seeing the first thing that these doage

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Speaker 5: kids do when they get in is they attack contracts.

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Speaker 5: Either they send one person in or a group of

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Speaker 5: people in and they get to the acquisition service like

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Speaker 5: whatever system each agency uses, and then they look at

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Speaker 5: that and then they just start cutting things across the board.

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Speaker 5: They're like control effing for like diversity, even if it's

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Speaker 5: like biodivers And.

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Speaker 1: Do they have the power to unilaterally they have the

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Speaker 1: power to unilaterally just pause it, stop it, block it.

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Speaker 5: Do they have the authority to do that? I think

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Speaker 5: that's a legal question. But they are doing it right now.

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Speaker 1: How much pushback are we seeing increasing pushback from Congress

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Speaker 1: and from the courts to say, hey.

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Speaker 3: Congress is totally supine. I mean, let's be honest, Like

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Speaker 3: you are starting to see some Democratic members of Congress

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Speaker 3: like get out the bullhorn and be upset about it.

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Speaker 3: But in general, like Trump and Musk have support for

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Speaker 3: this from Republicans, and the Democratic opposition has not been

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Speaker 3: that strong. I mean, so the courts are like trying.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the courts are like the check out and

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Speaker 3: balance that's left. But Doge is moving faster than the

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Speaker 3: courts can move.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I also want to point out too, like to think

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Speaker 5: about how serious this all is, but also at the

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Speaker 5: same time how unseerious it is, like the name Doge

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Speaker 5: right as the name of this agency. And then the

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Speaker 5: Democratic response. The first Democratic response was Chuck Schumer and

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Speaker 5: Hawking Jeffreys having this presser where they announced a new

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Speaker 5: bill that they jokingly called Stop the Steal. And then

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Speaker 5: at that at that press conference, Schumor had like a

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Speaker 5: little laugh you went he he he, and everyone else

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Speaker 5: in the press court and that presser said he he

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Speaker 5: he too. So like it's it's very clear, like how

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Speaker 5: unseerious people are acting about this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess when you're opening Salvos name it dose

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Speaker 1: it's true. Okay. I want to move us on to

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Speaker 1: the Musk Trump relationship, which appears by all accounts to

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Speaker 1: still be going strong. We also have audio from that

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Speaker 1: from that Trump Musk interview with Hannity earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen. Elon called me.

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Speaker 12: He said, you know they're trying to drive us apart.

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Speaker 12: I said absolutely. Now they said we have breaking as

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump has seated control of the presidency to Elon Musk.

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Speaker 12: President Musk will be attending a cabinet reading eight. And

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Speaker 12: I say, it's just so obvious. It's so bad at it.

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Speaker 12: I used to think they were good at it. They're

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Speaker 12: actually bad at it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there is actually another line in there, the

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Speaker 1: very very beginning of the interview, almost right out of

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Speaker 1: the gate Max, where Musk turns to Hannity and he says,

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Speaker 1: is basically his opening statement is well, I love the president.

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Speaker 1: I just want to be clear about that. And I

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Speaker 1: I was sort of it was pretty shocking for me.

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Speaker 1: The fealty, Like it's not the kind of posture and

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Speaker 1: body language you usually get from Elon Musk.

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Speaker 9: Uh No, uh, it's it's kind of that.

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Speaker 8: That has been another surprise here, I guess is the

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Speaker 8: is the relationship. I mean that clip to me is

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Speaker 8: that's what they wanted out of the interview. They wanted

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Speaker 8: to signal that Trump is in charge and Musk is

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Speaker 8: okay with that, and and I think what's honestly like

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Speaker 8: a little bit surprising if you followed Musk is that

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Speaker 8: that he is has been willing more or less to

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Speaker 8: in certain situations. You know, play second fiddle, b do

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Speaker 8: the thing that you have to do if you want

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Speaker 8: to keep Trump happy, which is defer to him.

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Speaker 11: So there, you know.

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Speaker 5: He's sure that said tech support.

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Speaker 3: I mean, throughout his life, Musk has always been the

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Speaker 3: alpha male. But like in Trump, he's almost got this

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Speaker 3: like dad figure, right, because Trump broke the mold for

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Speaker 3: what a politician could be, and then Elon followed that

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Speaker 3: and broke the mold of what corporate ceo could be.

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Speaker 3: And they play off each other. I mean, Elon also

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Speaker 3: tweeted some thing like I love him more as much

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Speaker 3: as a straight man can love another man, and like.

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Speaker 8: I should go with thirteen children. So he you know,

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Speaker 8: he's got a lot of people to love.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So one year from now we're on this stage again,

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Speaker 1: will the Trump Musk alliance remain intact? Just yes or no?

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Speaker 1: I don't want you guys usually give me these caveats

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Speaker 1: and bolsh yes or.

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Speaker 9: No, yes, yeah, yeah, Okay, there we are.

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Speaker 1: The audience, do you agree with this? Yes? Is audience

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Speaker 1: hates your aunt there there's no chance in how Okay,

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00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: we're now gonna play the game. Enough about this doze stuff.

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Speaker 1: And we're here at on AirFest surrounded by podcast enthusiasts,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna end with this game. Elon also is

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Speaker 1: a big podcast fan and he appears on them all

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Speaker 1: the time. So we pulled some clips, okay from Elon

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Speaker 1: podcasts in twenty twenty four, and we're gonna play the

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Speaker 1: clip now. The clip is pretty brief, it's pretty tight,

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Speaker 1: and it's short, and it's in what you guys have

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Speaker 1: to do. I'm gonna go turn. You're gonna tell me

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Speaker 1: what the hell he's talking about, what it's about, and you,

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Speaker 1: Leach will give me a guess, and then we'll go.

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Speaker 1: We have three of them, super confident here. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: Number one, hit it.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, it's it's not like it's not gonna

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Speaker 2: happen like overnight, but it's twenty years from now.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: But all right, Dana, I have no idea. I think

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Speaker 3: he's talking about Mars. Maybe building a civilization on Mars.

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Speaker 1: Is gonna be a Mars max humanoid robots, humanoid robots McKenna.

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Speaker 5: Xually everything app becoming Actually.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who's with Dana mars in twenty years? Yeah, it's here.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's hear noose. Okay, the humanoid robot? What were you? X?

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Speaker 1: The everything out?

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Speaker 5: It's finally the everything appen, the everything.

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Speaker 1: App in twenty years.

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00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 5: Okay, the good ones were taken first.

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00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it twenty years from now.

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Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be more more humanoid robots than

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Speaker 2: they are here.

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Speaker 10: What I got.

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Speaker 8: Honestly, I'm shocked because I feel like in his head,

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Speaker 8: twenty years is way?

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Speaker 1: Do you get the other two right? As well? We

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Speaker 1: know the fix is in? Okay, number two?

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Speaker 2: Like He'll be like a good test if if you

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Speaker 2: took a plane from Ellie to New York and you

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Speaker 2: try to drop a bowling ball and hit somebody, your

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Speaker 2: chances of success are basically zero.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I happen to know that's the case.

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Speaker 1: I've tried that. It's really hard.

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Speaker 8: So success is hitting a person, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what is he talking about? It's really really

933
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Speaker 1: hard to hit someone in the head with the bowling

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Speaker 1: ball if you drop it from a plane.

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Speaker 3: Is he talking about Starship eventually being city City?

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Speaker 13: I think, so you go Starship Starship FAA regulations around

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Speaker 13: dropping things from airplanes or parts falling or whatever, or

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Speaker 13: his rocket breaking, I.

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Speaker 1: Think I think you have an opportunity.

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Speaker 5: Was it when the rocket recently fell apart? And that

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Speaker 5: was like the likelihood of one of the pieces over

942
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Speaker 5: that island hitting someone who.

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Speaker 1: Likes to in his answer, nobody, crickets.

944
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Speaker 5: Max, you're the same.

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Speaker 11: They're all the same answer.

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Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is you're all wrong. Hit

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Speaker 1: it now.

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Speaker 2: The reality is Earth can actually kindle a human population

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Speaker 2: probably ten times longer than the current population.

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Speaker 1: You know, because you know you've got too many humans

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Speaker 1: when you drop the bowling ball from the plane and

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Speaker 1: you hit right, but until then, just keep going.

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Speaker 3: Should have gotten that long.

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Speaker 1: You did an entire story of you know.

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Speaker 8: Because he has talked about and that was f a A.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, this is about we should all have more children.

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Speaker 1: I guess you did a big piece on this. I'm

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Speaker 1: disappointed that. Okay, number three.

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Speaker 11: I speak with some authority and analogy in this area.

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Speaker 11: This is.

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Speaker 1: This is impossible. This is our producer Magnus is trolling you, guys,

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Speaker 1: this is impossible. If any of you get this, I

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Speaker 1: will take from Mike Bloomberg a check for ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars and I'll handle to you. Okay, again, the quote

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Speaker 1: is I speak with some authority and knowledge, and there's

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Speaker 1: no chance you're gonna get this. Kenny, it's it's pretty obscure.

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Speaker 1: So think the think obscure.

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Speaker 5: The video game Diabolo Force just a good guess parenting.

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Speaker 1: So that's a These are funny guesses? Is anybody Dana's answer, Well,

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Speaker 1: you have a guess? I think it's sections sections. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think that? I think? Okay, cesarean section? So

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Speaker 1: who likes no? Maxis got this audience stuff. Mechanic's should

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Speaker 1: in the front, our random in the front with the

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Speaker 1: with the black hat. Anybody like that Cesarian section? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's play the clip.

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Speaker 11: There's absolutely no need to do anything to farming change,

977
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Speaker 11: no effect on the environment. It's it's totally fine. Stop

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Speaker 11: attacking the farmers.

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Speaker 1: Cows about how does he know? What does he know

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Speaker 1: about farm?

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Speaker 3: Well, Kimball, you know, it's like a big foodie.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He wears the cowboy. There's some authority there from Kimball.

984
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Speaker 5: But wait, what's the full quote?

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Speaker 3: Don't have to worry about the cows because why he's.

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Speaker 9: Talking about climate change?

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Speaker 5: This was the member.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's saying, you know, don't like climate change, don't

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Speaker 8: worry about don't.

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Speaker 1: Worry about the.

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Speaker 3: Possible We're getting the signal that we have to wrap.

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Speaker 1: We're getting We're getting the gong on the Gong Show. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we shall end it there. A big thanks to Dana,

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Speaker 1: Max McKenna, and thank you all for joining us for

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Speaker 1: this special episode of el in at on Air Fest.

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Speaker 1: Keep tuning in. We'll see you next week Humanoid Robots.

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Speaker 8: This episode was produced by Stacey Wong. Anna Masarakis is

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Speaker 8: our editor, and Rayhan Harmanci is our senior editor. Blake

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Speaker 8: Maples handles engineering, and Dave Purcell factchecks. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 8: is Magnus Henrickson. The Eloning theme is written and performed

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Speaker 8: by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Saguiera. Brendan Francis Newdham is

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Speaker 8: our executive producer, and Sage Bauman is the head of

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Speaker 8: Bloomberg Podcasts. A big thanks to Joel Weber and Bradstone.

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