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Speaker 2: on assignment in the Caribbean. God bless.

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Speaker 3: It looks like they're having nice weather. I don't. I haven't.

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Speaker 3: All I've seen really are meals from the documentarian. I

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Speaker 2: She's the ken Burns boy is she She's on it.

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Speaker 3: And not a bad thing, but normally you get a

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Speaker 3: little bit. There's some excursions, there's some other things. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well she.

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Speaker 2: Has a be child and so there's that part of

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Speaker 2: it too, where you know, probably not as adventurous, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: as you would one would normally be. Yeah, speaking of

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Speaker 2: ken Burns and what a way to start the show.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys, did you watch Saturday Night Live this

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Speaker 2: week with Shane Gillis?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I did as well. I had a very

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Speaker 2: like twenty years ago Saturday weekend really because I watched

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Speaker 2: I watched Saturday Live with Gillis, and then I watched

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Speaker 2: the Academy Awards, even though I saw none of the movies,

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Speaker 2: but my wife was into it, and I thought Conan

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Speaker 2: any of the movies. But back to Gillis and back

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Speaker 2: to ken Burns. So a year ago, little more than

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Speaker 2: a year ago on my Umbas show. This was right

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Speaker 2: after so Michigan won the national title, and then Ohio

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Speaker 2: State like went to work financially, like Quinchawn Judkins signed,

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Speaker 2: They went and got Caleb downs in the portal, They

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Speaker 2: got Julian Sanin and the portal Buckeye fans are gonna

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Speaker 2: love him. Seth McLaughlin was like, oh. And for some reason,

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Speaker 2: what clicked in my head to as an analogy for

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Speaker 2: what Ohio State was doing was a line from the

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Speaker 2: ken Burns documentary The Civil War, which I've seen a

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Speaker 2: couple of times when people say, well, who the hell

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Speaker 3: I did, Absolutely, It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So there's a historian in there named Shelby Foot who

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Speaker 2: gives the Southern perspective of a lot of this. And

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Speaker 2: one of the things that he said that got me

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Speaker 2: thinking about what Ohio State was doing, and I turned

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Speaker 2: this into like a fifteen minute open on my show

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Speaker 2: in Columbus was he had a line about how the

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Speaker 2: North was never going to lose that war. I think

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Speaker 2: his exact line was, the South never really had a

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Speaker 2: boat Yale boat races were still going on. There's all

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Speaker 2: this marvelous invention manufacturing that was going on the North.

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Speaker 2: And if the North ever wanted to that, the North

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Speaker 2: And if the North ever wanted to just annihilate the South,

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Speaker 2: if there were more Southern victories and a lot more

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Speaker 2: the South, North could have just taken the other arm

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Speaker 3: Was his contention.

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Speaker 2: So I use that as an analogy for Ohio State football.

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Speaker 2: They dealt with Southern dominance. They saw their rivals win

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Speaker 2: So that was something that I did on the show.

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Speaker 2: I had not heard anybody talk about Shelby Foot ever. Ever,

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Speaker 2: Gillis headed in his monologue. Yeah, he referenced Shelby Foot

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Speaker 2: So that was like, it's such a full circle, uh

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Speaker 3: What you were talking about? You were talking about the

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Speaker 2: can't remember what it was. It must have been SNL. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you had that, you had a monster day yesterday.

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Speaker 3: The memory recall was stunning.

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Speaker 2: We had we had a lot of the work that

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Speaker 2: oh oh, I know where I was getting with this.

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Speaker 2: So last night there was nothing on.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing.

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Speaker 2: There's the things I pay attention to this time of year. Cavaliers,

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Speaker 2: Blue Jackets, Buckeye Basketball. I suppose, as a Duchie you

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Speaker 2: did you watch a little of Duke Wake last night?

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Speaker 3: Channing one more year. I can assure you that's not

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Speaker 3: in the cards, and there's no amount of nil money

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Speaker 3: that that he's going to take. Come on, he's gonna

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Speaker 3: be the one more pick.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 2: Of course, think of it this way if you're him.

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Speaker 2: And let's say that he's making five million a year

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Speaker 2: New Balance deal, sure, which compensates him richly. Now that

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Speaker 2: wearing Nikes. Well, they're compensating him, so that might be

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing. But let's say that the Washington Wizards

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Speaker 2: win the draft lottery. Would you rather play another year

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Speaker 3: I'd play a duke, so would I? So I and

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Speaker 3: he's a multi millionaire. That's why time he comes.

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Speaker 2: Out, anytime people talk about like the twenty twenty six quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: quick to say, what's his hurry? Like they they're on

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Speaker 2: record they love college football more than anything. He's at Texas.

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Speaker 2: he has the highest valuation of anybody in college athletics

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I if he doesn't like this spot, yea,

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Speaker 3: I just I just assumed. I'm like, you get that

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Speaker 3: big paydays in the NBA. There's no question in there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is that that clock goes quicker for him.

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Speaker 2: But college athletes right now have it really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, give me your phone. Let's find something

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Speaker 2: I'm in. So remember I had done like the action movies,

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Speaker 2: The first one we did was Diehard.

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Speaker 2: action movie Mount Rushmore. Because while I love like First

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Speaker 3: F I don't know if he's ready for Predator. I

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Speaker 2: I don't he and I didn't watch it, so I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, under Siege.

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Speaker 3: Come on.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Before we got to this, I thought, well, maybe I

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Speaker 2: DNA Thieves is good or like John Wick like those,

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Speaker 2: So maybe I should try Is it is that appropriate

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Speaker 3: You could totally watch d Thieves. Okay, I actually went

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Speaker 3: to the theater watched DNI Thieves too. That just came up.

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Speaker 2: So maybe so that might be the modern what I'm

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Speaker 2: So I go to what we actually went to NI

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Speaker 2: Thieves first, I'm like, well, let's try this. Den of

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Speaker 2: Thieves is two hours and twenty minutes. Yeah, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: if I start this, you're talking about eleven o'clock like

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Speaker 2: So then I landed on Under Siege. Guess along, Under.

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Speaker 5: Sieges our thirty five of course, to this commando's ninety

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Speaker 2: Under siege is like one thirty eight something like that.

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Speaker 2: Beverly Hills cops like an hour forty. The only one

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Speaker 2: that's over two hours is die Hard. So like they

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Speaker 3: Why can't they still? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So we pop in under siege and so we're about

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Speaker 3: Are you what is your Yeah? So I go, have

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Speaker 3: you guys seen it? Either? Have either?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any point of reference on undersiege?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? How about the other ones I mentioned?

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Speaker 2: Beverly Hills cop commando die Hard, he's good, gabe, seeing

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Speaker 2: all those. Yeah, So this was So we're sitting there

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Speaker 2: He goes, Dad, this is like die Hard on a boat.

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Speaker 3: And I said, yes, why, that's why you're the leader

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Speaker 2: That's it, buddy, You're exactly right, that's exactly what this is.

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Speaker 2: This is one hundred percent die Hard on a boat.

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Speaker 2: And they basically at that time just did I was

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Speaker 2: do it. So if you've seen under Siege, there is

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Speaker 2: I remembered. I thought it was like in the first

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Speaker 2: where Erica Lenniac who was a she was on Baywatch,

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Speaker 2: she was in Playboy magazine. She actually preceded Pamela Anderson

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Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson is. So there is a scene it's only

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Speaker 2: Remember before that we got to the combine. How I

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Speaker 3: Zeger and I are going to be doing him later on.

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Speaker 2: But when he told the story of Will on Thursday night,

438
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Speaker 2: like throwing it in a parking lot, like he said,

439
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Speaker 2: I thought he said over a building in a parking garage,

440
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Speaker 2: like he was trying to throw it. He was throwing

441
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Speaker 2: it over the building to somebody else, Like how hard

442
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Speaker 2: he was working. I thought, Oh, he's in his own

443
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Speaker 2: head a little bit. And so when Tivs sent me

444
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Speaker 2: that text that showed like how he struggled, I think

445
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Speaker 2: I viewed it as this is a guy who's gripping

446
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Speaker 2: it too tight. He was trying to prove how strong

447
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Speaker 2: his arm is. He's trying to prove that he could

448
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: drive the ball everywhere, and he just overcooked it because

449
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: most of his throws were overthrows. He did airmail one

450
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Speaker 2: behind the receiver really high and hard. I think he

451
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Speaker 2: was trying to show that he could throw with velocity,

452
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Speaker 2: and I think you see that stuff and it gets.

453
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Speaker 3: In your head. You didn't have to throw No, you

454
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Speaker 3: could have said, hey, I played into late January. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 3: you know we're taking a little time off. I'll throw

456
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Speaker 3: it my pro day because your stock has never been

457
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Speaker 3: higher at that point. No, And instead you threw it

458
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Speaker 3: the combine and all I did was hurt you. Yeah,

459
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: and you're right. I mean, that's that's where we're at

460
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Speaker 3: with some of these guys.

461
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Speaker 4: Now.

462
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Speaker 2: I think we're almost the point where I do wonder if,

463
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Speaker 2: especially at quarterback and some of the skill position stuff,

464
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Speaker 2: if you're gonna have to financially incentivize these guys to

465
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Speaker 2: do the on field stuff, if if the combine becomes

466
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Speaker 2: something for borderline guys.

467
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of it sure, because I don't.

468
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Speaker 2: These guys now it's and this might be kind of

469
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Speaker 2: the genesis of where this conversation Josine is referring to

470
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Speaker 2: from the quarterback coach around the league. These guys are

471
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Speaker 2: multi millionaires coming in, you know.

472
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Speaker 3: Well, and that's I mean, you would think you're I mean,

473
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Speaker 3: look at Sanders and Ward. I mean you're going in,

474
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Speaker 3: We're not going to work out, We're going to go

475
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Speaker 3: through the medicals and we're gonna have meetings with everybody. Well,

476
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Speaker 3: if now the meetings are gonna hurt me because one

477
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Speaker 3: coach thinks I'm some kind of I don't know.

478
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Speaker 4: What it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well then why do I even need to do

480
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Speaker 3: any of this?

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Speaker 7: You know?

482
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Speaker 3: What's the point? Yeah? And by the way, if I'm

483
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Speaker 3: still going to be in your building for one of

484
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Speaker 3: thirty interviews that they have later on, how many times

485
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Speaker 3: do I have to meet with you people? Yeah? Yeah,

486
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Speaker 3: you know what's out there. Watch the tape.

487
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Speaker 2: It's all there. I'm coming to your building. So I

488
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: think guys at the top of the draft will do

489
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Speaker 2: less and less and less. Yeah, that's that's kind of

490
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Speaker 2: my hunch on how that all shakes out.

491
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Speaker 3: Did you see this?

492
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Speaker 2: The Stadium Series game was down in Columbus this weekend.

493
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Speaker 2: It was on the NHL side this between the Blue

494
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Speaker 2: Jackets and the Red Wings. The NHL took advantage of

495
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: the four Nations momentum where they had about ten million

496
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: people watch that, and this one averaged one point six million.

497
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Speaker 2: It peaked at one point eight million viewers for what

498
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Speaker 2: it is, just in regular season hockey game, and that

499
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Speaker 2: was a spectacle that was incredible. It was basically tailgated

500
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Speaker 2: like an Ohio State football game.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely everybody went and did that. Yeah, it was kind

502
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Speaker 3: of tailgated in that way.

503
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Speaker 2: That is the most people who have ever seen the

504
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Speaker 2: Columbus Blue Jackets play on television, I promise you. Because

505
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Speaker 2: other than that, it was they had one series. They

506
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Speaker 2: had a series win against Toronto in the in the

507
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Speaker 2: Bubble playoff, and then they had a series sweep at

508
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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's the list.

510
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Speaker 2: So one point eight million, it's a monster, highest cable

511
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Speaker 2: hockey rated game since twenty nineteen. I thought I saw

512
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Speaker 2: something like that, So that was that was good. The

513
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Speaker 2: NHL is having a moment right now for sure, and

514
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Speaker 2: we'll see if they can capitalize not get lost. You

515
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Speaker 2: can't get lost in March madness. That's the challenge.

516
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Speaker 3: And yet not to take anything away from the NHL,

517
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Speaker 3: because it's been a fun month evolving the NHL. One

518
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Speaker 3: point eight I mean, this is they fell so far

519
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Speaker 3: back that one eight is a big deal.

520
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Speaker 2: They yes, yeah, they did. They It's a huge deal

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Speaker 2: for them. It goes to kind of that conversation we've

522
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Speaker 2: had here a little bit, and I have it a

523
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Speaker 2: lot more in the morning. But it is the NFL.

524
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Speaker 2: It is college football, like those are the constants, and

525
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: then Major League Baseball NBA, NBA would be ahead, but

526
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: it's all they're all receiving ratings and then the NHL

527
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: is trying to get some sort of positive momentum. But yeah,

528
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Speaker 2: like some of their regular season games, two three hundred

529
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Speaker 2: thousand people are watching. I mean it's less than are

530
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Speaker 2: watching UFL. Yeah, we have too many things. Here's the

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Speaker 2: other part of this. So tonight o High State Basketball plays.

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Speaker 2: It's their senior it's a big game for them. It's

533
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Speaker 2: a senior day game. Do you know when it tips?

534
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Speaker 2: It's in Columbus. He's it at nine o'clock, tip, nine

535
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: o'clock two Nebraska do you do? You know what it's

536
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Speaker 2: on exclusively.

537
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Speaker 3: Peacock.

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Speaker 2: So it is a must win game. It's their senior

539
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Speaker 2: day game, and it's being played at nine o'clock on Peacock.

540
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Speaker 2: So this is the other part that these are all

541
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Speaker 2: fighting in college all of them are fighting.

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Speaker 4: It.

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Speaker 2: It's like you've taken this money. You're kind of at

544
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Speaker 2: the mercy of the television providers, and we have so

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Speaker 2: many options for our entertainment. I you know, the reason

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Speaker 2: that you and I love the movies we watch because

547
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: they were on all the time. Yeah, Underseaves on six

548
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Speaker 2: times a month, and you had six channels, so like

549
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 2: or you bought the VHS.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's nothing on. Let's watch Ender Siege again. Oh.

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Speaker 3: I was just cleaning out some of my parents stuff

552
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: this weekend. We had to move them. Like there's a

553
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Speaker 3: bunch of VHS's, Like they just pop in a VHS

554
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Speaker 3: and hit record and record the movie off at TV

555
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: pleaset do that all the time. Yeah, they're stacks. I'm like,

556
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: what am I doing with all these?

557
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Speaker 2: My aunt had HBO, we didn't. She would record three

558
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: hour or three movie tranches on VHS. Yeah, so you

559
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: would get like we had one that was like a

560
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: western one that HP almost been running a bunch of westerns.

561
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: It was Young Guns, Silverado, Man from Snowy River, like

562
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: all three of those on one VHS and you would

563
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Speaker 2: just watch them over.

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Speaker 3: And over again. Now, let alone the phones.

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Speaker 2: There's a billion things to take our attention, which I

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Speaker 2: think it's just such a credit the NFL has maintained

567
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Speaker 2: in college football, maintained in grown interest and people still

568
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Speaker 2: watch it and watch it more than ever, well, everything

569
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Speaker 2: else is receded. It's really pretty wild. But one point

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Speaker 2: eight for them or one point six on an average,

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Speaker 2: that's a win. This will win for you. Coming up next,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna sit down with ESPN Draft analyst Jordan Reed.

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Speaker 2: Here is z sitting down with ESPN Draft analyst Jordan Reid.

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Speaker 4: So happy to be joined by a rising star in

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Speaker 4: the business. We can say we remember him way back

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Speaker 4: when he is now ESPN's NFL Draft analyst Jordan Reid

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Speaker 4: and Jordan, it is great to see you here. You're

585
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Speaker 4: suited up, you're ready. It's the combine. It's draft season

586
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: and for the Browns and we haven't had a first

587
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Speaker 4: round pick in three years. Not a great season, but

588
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Speaker 4: we're picking second, and so an opportunity to maybe have

589
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: a franchise changing draft. So it's exciting time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first and.

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Speaker 4: Foremost, welcome back. That's good to be back with you.

592
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm excited to be here. Exciting times for the Browns.

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Speaker 7: You know, having a number two overall pick. There's a

595
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Speaker 7: lot of different directions that they could go, are there? Yeah,

596
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Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot of different directions that they

597
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 7: can go, but the one I think they should go,

598
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Speaker 7: I believe they should go as a quarterback. I just

599
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 7: believe they have to take a quarterback. Whenever you're in

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Speaker 7: position to select a quarterback, I believe you should do so,

601
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Speaker 7: and nothing matters and a roster rebuild or roster construction

602
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Speaker 7: until you get that spot solidified.

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Speaker 4: Have you been watching our show? These are some of

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Speaker 4: our talking I love this exactly, So I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: So I think that you have an opportunity. You've been

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Speaker 4: thrown in some ways a life raft by some of

607
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Speaker 4: the decisions other teams have made at the end of

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Speaker 4: the season, and the Browns all of a sudden kind

609
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Speaker 4: of just here we are at number two. You and

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Speaker 4: I were talking before, and we'll talk about it now.

611
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Speaker 4: But you know, there is a we'll call it in quotes,

612
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Speaker 4: a consensus that there are two quarterbacks in this draft

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Speaker 4: that are worthy of being taken at the top. And

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Speaker 4: now some people may say, oh, I like them at ten.

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Speaker 4: Look if you like quarterback at ten, you like them

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Speaker 4: at two, because that's that seems to be the deal

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Speaker 4: with that position. Cam Ward should Doore Sanders, Let's start

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Speaker 4: with kind of how do you see those two? And

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Speaker 4: if you were a general manager of a team like

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Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns, would you be comfortab bull saying all right,

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Speaker 4: at two, I know I can get one of those guys,

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Speaker 4: or do you like one so much better that you'd

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Speaker 4: be like, I gotta figure out a way to get

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Speaker 4: up to one, because I don't if you remember this

625
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, Yeah, Cleveland Brown's picking second, Tennessee Titans picking first.

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Speaker 4: Browns love Jared goth Ram straight up, and now Brown's

627
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Speaker 4: straight out and after a bunch of different trades, the

628
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Speaker 4: end up with Corey Coleman and not Jared goth So

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Speaker 4: let's start there, two quarterbacks. Would you be comfortable with

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Speaker 4: either of them at two? Yeah? I would.

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Speaker 7: And as far as how they got here is very similar,

632
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Speaker 7: but stylistically they couldn't be any different in my opinion.

633
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Speaker 7: So just comparing their how they got here moments, two

634
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Speaker 7: quarterbacks that started in the FCS ranks, cam Ward AT

635
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Speaker 7: and Carnaware and then Shad Door Sander's obviously a Jackson State,

636
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Speaker 7: he goes on to Colorado cam and ends up going

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Speaker 7: to Washington State and then to Miami, So they're how

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Speaker 7: they got here moments are very similar from a school standpoint,

639
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Speaker 7: but stylistically these two guys couldn't be any different in

640
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Speaker 7: my opinion. Shador is more so of your prototypical pocket passer.

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Speaker 7: You're just absolutely sniper from inside of the pocket, predicated

642
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 7: on ball placement, his vision. But the thing that stands

643
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Speaker 7: out to me the most is his toughness. I don't

644
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Speaker 7: think there's a tougher quarterback in this draft class, just

645
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Speaker 7: because some of the hits that he took. He took

646
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Speaker 7: absolute beatings, not only this season but also last season,

647
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Speaker 7: even though he surrendered the most sacks over the past

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Speaker 7: two seasons, but he still was able to get up

649
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Speaker 7: and be productive after all of those beatings that he

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Speaker 7: did take. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum,

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Speaker 7: we have Camp Yeah, absolutely, So he's tough.

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Speaker 4: Not only that, many times when he got sacked, he'd

653
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Speaker 4: make at least one guy missed, but it was in

654
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Speaker 4: many cases it was a full on, just jail break

655
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: right to the quarterback. And the second point to buttress,

656
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 4: that is how many of his big time downfield throws

657
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: did he get absolutely crushed on and he knew it

658
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: and he would stand the pocket, deliver it and take

659
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: a big hit.

660
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of those he did.

661
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 7: I mean, you can go through pretty much any game

662
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 7: that he played last year and he took a severe

663
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 7: amount of hits, but once again, he kept back or

664
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 7: he kept coming back and he kept firing. And that's

665
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 7: what you love to see from a quarterback just because

666
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 7: even though the hits won't be as frequent, you're hoping

667
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 7: anywhere that he took at Colorado. The mental toughness that

668
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 7: it takes not only to keep coming back but also

669
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 7: to bounce back and continue to be productive throughout games,

670
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 7: that's something that you love about your door.

671
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: So I like that.

672
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: So pocket passer sniper, in my mind, you're saying, you know,

673
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 4: if he maximizes everything right the style in which you play,

674
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he is going to be that guy.

675
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: But the style in which you would play would be

676
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: similar to the way that a Drew Brees would dissect

677
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: air defense.

678
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

679
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 7: I think they're very similar as far as how they

680
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 7: win and how they play the game. Guys that are

681
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 7: predicated on, you know, anticipatory throws, winning from the pocket,

682
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 7: being able to occasionally make plays out of structure and

683
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 7: throw some balls down the field, even though that's not

684
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 7: really their wheelhouse, but just the vision, understanding the concepts,

685
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 7: and then just being able to execute those concepts.

686
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 4: And then on the other side, we've got a guy

687
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: who maybe is more stylistically kind of like a Mahomes

688
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: or a Josh in terms of thrives out of structure,

689
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: chunk play machine early Patrick Mahomes, I would say, and

690
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: loves to kind of really push the ball down the field.

691
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: Brett Farve a gunslinger. Yeah.

692
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 7: And you know what I love the most about Cam

693
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 7: is just he's kept that underdog mentality everywhere that he's

694
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 7: been and just reflecting back on his story, we're talking

695
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 7: about a kid that was severely under recruited during his

696
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 7: time coming out of high school, played in a wing

697
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 7: tea offense, so there were times where he didn't even

698
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 7: throw the ball up to ten times a game just

699
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 7: because you want to run the ball down the throats

700
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 7: of everybody in that wing t offense, goes to Incarnate

701
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 7: where absolutely lights it up in the FCS ranks, transitions

702
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 7: to Washington State does the same thing, and then at

703
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 7: Miami arguably the best quarterback in program history. So with him,

704
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 7: it's just the underdog mentality and then just the confidence

705
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 7: that he plays with. He plays with the poise, that calm, cool,

706
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 7: collective demeanor. And you mentioned it a couple of seconds ago,

707
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 7: and you know, not comparing comparing him to these guys

708
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 7: like Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson, but the uncanny

709
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 7: ability to make offensive coordinators right even if they have

710
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 7: the play wrong is something that cam Ward really thrives

711
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 7: in and also something else that I think he has

712
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 7: to really improve on the next level. I love using

713
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 7: the analogies when I'm talking about quarterbacks. So cam Ward

714
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 7: is that guy that's kind of instructed to jump to

715
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 7: jump off the ten or fifteen foot high dive, but

716
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 7: there's a lot of times where he gets curious and

717
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 7: he wants to jump off that twenty five or thirty

718
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 7: foot high dive just to see if he's able to

719
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 7: do it, so understanding that, you know, don't pass up

720
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 7: the first option in this progression just because you have

721
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 7: a huge appetite for those down the field or those

722
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 7: highlight real plays.

723
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 4: Well, letna say. He kind of reminds me of you know,

724
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: when you think about how the NBA games have all

725
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: since we'll call it since Steph Curry, Kane of Kimy Belieue, right,

726
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: guys like Mahomes or Lamar Josh Allen, they have kind

727
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 4: of made normal what would be in a basketball analogy.

728
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 4: Kind of the coaches like the no no, no, no no, yeah,

729
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: the no no no threes, and then it's like, oh yeah, okay,

730
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: good good shot, good shot. Cam will do that. I think,

731
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: you know, one of the things that's interesting when you

732
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: watch them, and certainly the talent is a parent the

733
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 4: arm talent, ability to throw it in either direction, the

734
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: ability to buy time, extend plays and make those And

735
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: what I like about both those guys is both of them,

736
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 4: for the most part, if it's a third and nine

737
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: and they need to go pick up first down, they will,

738
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 4: But most of them try to scramble to or buy

739
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 4: time to throw, which I like that that's where some

740
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: real big plays come in the NFL. You know what,

741
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 4: if you're kind of thinking about taking that next level,

742
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: we'll talk about some of the things that Shador probably

743
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: has to clean up as well. But for Cam, how

744
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: easy is it to coach out of a player to

745
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: take the things in structure, because, for example, Cleveland Browns know,

746
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: similar to Kyle or McVeigh, you're going to have things

747
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: schemed up that are going to be if you scheme

748
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 4: up seven yards. In the NFL, those layups have to

749
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 4: be layups. And I think the one thing that made

750
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: me a little nervous with Cam when I watched him

751
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: was he would be like boring, Yeah, let me make

752
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: big plays. But the NFL you've got to take those. Yeah.

753
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 7: I think it's a matter of he has to be

754
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 7: paired with a demanding position coach and an offensive coordinator

755
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 7: that's gonna drill in his head like, hey man, let's

756
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 7: just take the first option on the progression. Let's not

757
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 7: try to satisfy our appetite of those down to field plays.

758
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 6: Let's just take the.

759
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: Death by those copper cuts.

760
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 7: They'll take the death by a thousand paper cuts theory

761
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 7: of eventually we're gonna matriculate the ball down the field.

762
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 7: But also I will say I don't think it's necessarily

763
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 7: coaching it out of him. I think you have to

764
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 7: be able to straddle the line of allowing him to

765
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 7: be him also saying, hey man, we got to rein

766
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 7: it in a little bit just because you're getting a

767
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 7: little bit too reckless with the ball. So just allowing

768
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 7: him to be him, but understanding when to rain him

769
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 7: in at times too.

770
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 4: And I do think a lot of coaches would say, okay,

771
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: so maybe on a couple of third and eight to

772
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 4: a game, you miss the nine yard completion because you're

773
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 4: going for a big one, But if you hit three

774
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 4: or four forty plus ers in a game, we're gonna win. Yeah,

775
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: you know, that's that's the league. And that was in

776
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: my notes. I kept writing, chunk play machine. It's just

777
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: a chunk play machine. And then on the other hand,

778
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 4: we talked about Shador and you know, so many questions

779
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 4: about his arm strength. You were joking about it beforehand,

780
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: but I don't know. I felt like I watched him

781
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 4: make enough kind of far hashed deep out the rows

782
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: into tight windows that I was pretty satisfied. I saw

783
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: him make all the throws. Is he gonna sit there

784
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: and flick at seventy yards?

785
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 6: No?

786
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: But what was that the Baylor game to get into overtime,

787
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: He's running dead left, needs it to get in the

788
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: end zone and throws kind of a laser fifty yards

789
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 4: in the air. Like, how many throws are more than

790
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: fifty yards in the air in the NFL? Not many?

791
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was that game, and then the UCF game

792
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 7: he had a poster route down the middle of the

793
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 7: field that was about fifty five yards in the air.

794
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 7: So I think his arm strength is completely fine. The

795
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 7: dry velocity does need to get a little bit better,

796
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 7: I will say that, But over time, we've seen guys's

797
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 7: arm strength get better once he gets in an NFL

798
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 7: strength and conditioning program, and then once his body of

799
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 7: matures as well.

800
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 4: All right, so you're telling Browns fans, look, the Browns

801
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 4: take a quarterback at two, you'd be happy. Now, I

802
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: did ask you if you're running this organization, and you're

803
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: saying you like both of them, But do you love

804
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: is Cam? Do you like Cam? And I know he's

805
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: your number one? That much more that I don't want

806
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: to have any questions, just get me to number one

807
00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 4: so I control it.

808
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I like Cam War that much. And okay, no,

809
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 7: I've been on the airwaves saying this. I've been on

810
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 7: Sports Center saying it. I believe if Cam was in

811
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 7: last year's draft class, he would have been the fourth

812
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 7: quarterback off of the board, ahead of JJ McCarthy. And

813
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 7: you know, we had a special class last year and

814
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 7: everybody's using that as the standard, and rightfully so. But

815
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 7: if he was in last year's draft class, I believe

816
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 7: he would have been the fourth guy off of the board.

817
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: When I was here last year, and I don't know

818
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: if it was different for you, but it felt like,

819
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 4: and I'd even go back two years that two years

820
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: ago was Bryce young and there were a lot more

821
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 4: questions about CJ. Stroud than people are seeming to remember

822
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 4: because he had, you know, the Ohio State quarterbacks that

823
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: hadn't done as well before He's thrown to all number ones.

824
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 4: We haven't really seen it, you know, other than the

825
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: Georgia game. And then last year it felt like to

826
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 4: me it was Caleb Williams and then everybody else and

827
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: nobody was like, oh no, Jane Dawn's you'll turn your

828
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 4: franchise around and have maybe the best rookie season ever.

829
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: So you're being in those groups with those guys you

830
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: don't know, but I mean right now, the Falcons are

831
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 4: very happy the he took Pennix. The Broncos are thrilled

832
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 4: they took Bonnicks. And last year the comby Boenix was

833
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: not talked about going in the top twelve, not at all.

834
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: So I think sometimes those comparisons here to year are

835
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: a heart because you have the benefit of hindsight that

836
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: changes how people feel about Daniels and even Drake May

837
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: who I thought had a nice rookie year. If you

838
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: have an opportunity, though, you're saying, get them cam Wore,

839
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: You'd love to have cam WARDO or Shador.

840
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 7: There's always a sense of hope when you have a

841
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 7: young quarterback. Of course, that's all you can ask for

842
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 7: in Cleveland right now. And you know, let's say that

843
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 7: they take Shador Sanders or cam Ward and they win,

844
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 7: you know, five or six games next year, you have

845
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 7: a leg to stand on and say, hey, give us

846
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 7: some time, let's develop this young quarterback. But if you

847
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 7: take the defensive piece, you win three.

848
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 4: Games next year.

849
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: Now you're gone and you're out of a job.

850
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 7: So I just think they have to select a quarterback

851
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 7: just because you can develop that guy. The Deshaun Watson

852
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 7: situation obviously was an absolute disaster, and I just think

853
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 7: that's a better option than bringing in a veteran, you know,

854
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 7: like a Kirk Cousins or somebody like that.

855
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 4: All Right, so we got a quarterback going at maybe one,

856
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: maybe two for the Cleveland Browns, depending on how you

857
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: play it. So what do quarterbacks need? What is I

858
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: think this leads about scoring? Now, the rules are so

859
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: hard to be consistently good on defense. So what do

860
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 4: you need? You need weapons, and weapons can come in

861
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: a variety of forms, whether that's receivers, whether that's you know,

862
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 4: move tight ends, whether that's running backs. Now that we've

863
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: seen kind of a re resurgence of that position, the

864
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: Browns not only have number two, they have number thirty three.

865
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: They're gonna have the first pick in the second round

866
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: and opportunity if they want to cheaply get into the

867
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: first round at the end and get a fifty year

868
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: option as well. Who would be your favorite weapons that

869
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: you think could be available in that spot? And I

870
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 4: really don't care what position, but you know, receiver, tight end,

871
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 4: running back, Who would be your favorite weapons to help

872
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: that rookie quarterback have some more in addition to Judy,

873
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 4: in addition to David Djoku.

874
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 7: So, I think there's a cluster of receivers after Tedoroa. McMillan,

875
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 7: the receiver out of Arizon. I love him, I would

876
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 7: I would love to have him. He's gore. I think

877
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 7: he's already going to be on the JIT hit. It's

878
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 7: towards the team that draft him. Yeah, there's definitely in

879
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 7: the second round, but you're looking at guys potentially like

880
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 7: Luther Bird and the third Adam is zuri a. Mecca

881
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 7: Abuka is another option. Matthew Golden at Ohio State could

882
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 7: be another option too. So those three guys definitely could

883
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 7: be in play, but tight end definitely is another if

884
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 7: you're looking just for some move guys. Elijah Arroyo I

885
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 7: liked who is that guy?

886
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: Mason?

887
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 4: I like him.

888
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 7: Jason taylor Son out of LSU is another good player too.

889
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 7: So this tight end class has a lot of high

890
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 7: end players, and the depth of this wide receiver class

891
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 7: is more so.

892
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 4: In Day two, all right, give me, give me a

893
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: couple of running backs that you think, you know, we

894
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: heard uh Browns gentleman Joinerybody say that Nick Chubb will

895
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: be testing free agency this year, and he's been so huge.

896
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: You know, the four years that he had there were

897
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 4: as good as any four year stretch certainly, and probably

898
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: Brown's history outside of the great Jim Brown. When you

899
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: look at you know what we like to do, that

900
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: wide zone scheme, who are some of the backs that

901
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 4: you think could be, you know, difference makers or guys

902
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: that are just straight up weapons and would help you

903
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 4: out in the in the past game as well.

904
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 6: Well.

905
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 7: The first thing I will say is that this class

906
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 7: is absolutely loaded. Yeah, it's very reminiscent, and the star

907
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 7: power isn't as great at the top, but it's very

908
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 7: reminiscent of what we saw in twenty seventeen, and that

909
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 7: was the Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, Joe Mixon, Dalvin Cook

910
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 7: album Kamara class. But this clad, yeah, not bad at all.

911
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 7: This class is very reminiscent of that. So we had

912
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 7: thirty running backs drafted that year. I think we could

913
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 7: exceed that number this year as far as how many

914
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 7: running backs could get drafted.

915
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 6: In this year's class.

916
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 7: But just looking at some wide zone guys, one that

917
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 7: immediately comes to mind is Devin Neil out of Kansas.

918
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 7: He's one that is very reminiscent of Kareem Hunt when

919
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 7: he was coming out of Toledo and we saw how

920
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 7: productive old player he was when the Browns drafted him

921
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 7: a few years ago. Base y'all Tuton, who's a Virginia

922
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 7: Tech running back. He originally started his career at North

923
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 7: Carolina A and T. And was smiling over there when

924
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 7: I said North Carolina at. He originally started his career

925
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 7: there and then came over to Virginia Tech and it's

926
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 7: very productive as well. And then another who I think

927
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 7: is really scheme versatile is Damian Martinez out of Miami.

928
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 7: Another player I'm sure you've seen Seane when you're studying

929
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 7: cam Wore.

930
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 4: All right, I gotta ask this for the great Gibbet

931
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: heres a guy that what do you What do you

932
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: think about Harold Fanners?

933
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 6: Yeah?

934
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 7: I like him, He's super productive. I thought he should

935
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 7: have won the Mackie Award over Tyler Warren. I'll go

936
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 7: where you like him saying that early third, Yeah, I

937
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 7: think he'll probably go I would say that third round range,

938
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 7: early fourth round. It all depends on how he tests.

939
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 7: I don't think he's gonna be an overly good tester

940
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 7: just because he's not a great mover or really great

941
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 7: it's a unique move. But he's one of those guys

942
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 7: that's just a gamer. You roll the balls out at

943
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 7: gym class. He's gonna be the best athlete just because

944
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 7: he's so natural as far as pass catching.

945
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 4: And then from Penn State and then text A and

946
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 4: M were those two where he was running away from

947
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 4: those guys.

948
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 7: Super productive in both games. They tried to game plan

949
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 7: a double team and stop them and they couldn't do it.

950
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 7: So he's one of those games. He's one of those

951
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 7: guys that's not gonna be an overly good tester.

952
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 4: But that's just a gamer. He's just a football player,

953
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: just a football player, all right, Jordan, We appreciate the time.

954
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: Thanks for for laying it out in a variety of

955
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: ways for the good folks here. You can catch him

956
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: on ESPN. He's their NFL draft expert, Jordan Reed, Thanks

957
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: so much, brother.

958
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: All Right, there you go, Zee and Jordan Reed of

959
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: ESPN joining us there with that conversation at the top

960
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,440
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961
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,600
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971
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: The Minnesota Vikings reportedly are not expected to franchise take

972
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: quarterback Sam Darnold, but would like him back next season.

973
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: Her Adam Schefter, this is the next Domino.

974
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it. I would assume he's the number

975
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: one quarterback free agent right now. He's it.

976
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the one for sure, but I don't know.

977
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: You know, Tyvis is on with us yesterday and he

978
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: said that, you know, like the way that he was

979
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: at the end of the year, I think gives some

980
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: teams a little bit of pause with him. Yeah, I

981
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: don't know what the market is. I don't know who's

982
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: like if you are John, I mean, obviously we can't

983
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: be in this world because the cap space isn't there

984
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: for somebody like him. But in terms of the players,

985
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: the teams that could be in the in the conversation

986
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: for him, you're talking about god Lord, return to the Jets,

987
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 2: You're talking about Vegas. I'm just doing AFC first. You're

988
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: talking about the g Men. You're talking about obviously returning

989
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: to the Vikes. Nobody in the South, nobody in the West,

990
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: and probably Pittsburgh. So Jets, Vegas, Giants, Vikes, Steelers.

991
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: Those are kinds not like you have unlimited options.

992
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: No, you know, obviously Pittsburgh I would think would be

993
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: the one that would be the most appealing, based on

994
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: the stability of the franchise and the weapons and kind

995
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: of everything at their disposal there. The defense, I mean

996
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: kind of you don't have to really be great in

997
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: order to be a contender. Minnesota is where he'd want

998
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: to be. You want to stay there, playing the Dome.

999
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: They just won thirteen games throw to Justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison,

1000
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: and away we go.

1001
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: You don't know what McCarthy is going to be.

1002
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: Like, no, and so is it a situation where Minnesota

1003
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: does I'm guessing Minnesota wants to see what the market

1004
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: is and then hopefully he will come back to them

1005
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: and allow for them.

1006
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: To match it.

1007
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: But that market would be Vegas Jets, Giants and maybe Steelers.

1008
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the market. I don't think you

1009
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: don't think that they're okay with him letting him search

1010
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: seek out.

1011
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 7: You know.

1012
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell said it last week in his press conference

1013
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: at the Combine. He said, you know, Sam Donald's earned

1014
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: the right to test the free agent marker market in

1015
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 3: a positive way, and they still have Danny Dimes. Yeah,

1016
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: that's right, they do. I mean they can make an

1017
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: offer and Danny Dimes can be the mentor to JJ McCarthy.

1018
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he could be the stomp gap until McCarthy

1019
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: gets all the way. Well if they're still waiting on

1020
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: that too. So the Vikings hold a lot of cards there.

1021
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm curious what this market looks like for Donald in

1022
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: the next week, Like if this starts to heat up

1023
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: a little bit on his side of things, but no

1024
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: franchise take for him. Schefter also reporting the this I

1025
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: can't only read these without laughing. The Jets have given

1026
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: al Mazard permission to seek a trade, no kidding.

1027
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: I bet you have.

1028
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: And just like Devanta Adams who they released today, that's

1029
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: how that's gonna go. He's gonna get released.

1030
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: And then if you can't get a draft pick for

1031
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams, which, by the way, how much money did

1032
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 3: they save twenty nine point nine million by cutting because

1033
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: they had no guaranteed money left? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're

1034
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: gonna make that cut. That's an easy one. There's no

1035
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 3: trade on that for for there's no trade for Lazard either.

1036
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: Do no franchise tag for uh oh osa, Oh oh dig.

1037
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: Zuaga give it to me, keV.

1038
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: What'd you say? Oh diggie zua, Oh diggi zua. That's

1039
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: what it's kind of like.

1040
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: The I don't know if you guys are like this,

1041
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'll be fine admitting this.

1042
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 3: I could not.

1043
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: I was terrified to say Gianni's Antetakumpo. I was terrified

1044
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: to say that. So for the longest time, when he

1045
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: was first starting to burst on the scene, I would

1046
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 2: just say Greek freak. Everybody did, Yeah, and then once

1047
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: you heard somebody say it, then you're you have to

1048
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: hear it. I do anyway, I can't. I'm not gonna

1049
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: just looking at it and trying to sound very phonetically.

1050
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: If I hear it once, then I'll I'll remember it.

1051
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: He got a four year, eighty million dollar deal over

1052
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: for fifty guaranteed.

1053
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 3: To follow up on that, The Cowboys are doing something

1054
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: here because they just restructured five minutes ago the contract

1055
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 3: of Pro Bowl wide receiver Ceedie Lamb, creating twenty million

1056
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: of salary cap space. Are they going after someone? Are

1057
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: they doing this because they don't have any parsons? They

1058
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: just the average guys.

1059
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 2: They still have to pay parsons, right, He's he wants

1060
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: a new deal and he wants to be the highest

1061
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: paid non quarterback.

1062
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: You can make that argument and he deserves that.

1063
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, himorrh Jamar Chase. So that's that's kind of where

1064
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: you sit on that. So it could be they could

1065
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: be trying to find a way to shake all these

1066
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: things out. The Steelers are leaning towards Justin Fields being

1067
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: their starter. In twenty twenty five, per Ian Rappaport Yes,

1068
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: it seems like Russ is going to go somewhere else.

1069
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: I saw him at the Oscars with his lovely bride.

1070
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: I do think what I'm what I'm curious about is

1071
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: why Pittsburgh didn't just stick with him last year.

1072
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: Agreed?

1073
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: Why, if you like, they make the move to Russ,

1074
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: it paid immediate divit and then it kind of flailed

1075
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: down the stretch. Why didn't they just stick with Fields

1076
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: the whole way? And maybe they thought there was more

1077
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: to Russ than there is.

1078
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1079
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: They obviously told Justin, hey, don't do anything negative, and

1080
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: that's the way he played, and they what he go

1081
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: four and one when he was the starter three and one.

1082
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: Four and one? So would you if Russ hits the market,

1083
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: it is Russ the number one quarterback free agent.

1084
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Speaker 2: Over No, I think it's Darnold for sure, it's and

1085
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: then Russ is I think there with Rogers. Yeah, it's

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00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: probably how that goes. That'd be my guess that it

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00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: would go that way. Yeah, but that's that's where that stands.

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00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: I also saw they were leaning towards the running back,

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00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: not being back the kid they draft out of Alabama Naja, Yeah,

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00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: that Naji would be not be returning to Pittsburgh as well,

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Speaker 2: So a little bit of news out of the Steel City.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Darius Slay, they also released this being

1093
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: the Eagle cornerback James Bradberry at the start of the

1094
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: new league year as well. So this is where we're at,

1095
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: where at cut season to try to free up some

1096
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: cap space and get rid of non guaranteed contracts, you

1097
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: can be a little bit nimble in free agency. Speaking

1098
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 2: of that, the Texans will allow Stefon Diggs to test

1099
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: free agency while our reunion is possible if the price

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00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: is right, per Jonathan Alexander of the Houston Chronicle. So

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00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: Diggs could be in free agencies.

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00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: Well, but again, like the biggest free agent to be

1103
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 3: was t Higgins, yew, there is a lot of news

1104
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: today coming out that, you know, the Bengals may just

1105
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 3: be doing this to sign him and trade him. Yeah,

1106
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: so that's worth watching. But you know, I mean, Stefan Diggs,

1107
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: is this going to be team number four in five years?

1108
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: Something like that?

1109
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: Minnesota, Buffalo, Houston.

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00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: So he's been on three, three, four, okay, And at

1111
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: what point is are the injuries starting to catch up?

1112
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: So what's the value on.

1113
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. It's a great question. I mean,

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00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if he would. I wonder if there's an

1115
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: interest for him like landing in Dallas on like a

1116
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: bargain basement to play with his brother.

1117
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there could be something there. I don't know.

1118
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: And finally, North Carolina reportedly will no longer participate in

1119
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: the offseasonedition of Hard Knocks after the deal fell through.

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Speaker 2: According to Jonathan Jones of CBS, so I read into this,

1121
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: Belichick didn't want to give him access to the meetings.

1122
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: What are we doing that? That's the whole point, man. Yeah.

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00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: I g Man told me this, and I said, well,

1124
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: this is Bill realizing he was going to have to

1125
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: show everything and doesn't want to show anything.

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00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 4: Of course.

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00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're back to Bill being Bill. Yeah, his smiles

1128
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 3: going to disappear here in a few weeks, spring ball

1129
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: is going to start now.

1130
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: Way man, no way, No, he doesn't want that at all.

1131
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1132
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: So I half believe that, like him, who's the guy

1133
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: who was here, who's like his person GM over.

1134
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 3: There, Lombardy, Lombardy.

1135
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: I half of me thinks like they were like, Wow,

1136
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: let's what if we could do Hard Knocks? Somebody's ever

1137
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: done hard knocks in college football before, that'll be brand

1138
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: new idea. Never mind, the fact's been going on for

1139
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: fifteen years. Yeah, they're versions of hard knocks, So everyone's

1140
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: been doing this for a very long time on the

1141
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: college side of things. So anyway, there you go around

1142
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: the league presented by Leaf Filter, official gutterguard of your

1143
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns. All right, coming up next second hour with

1144
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: the programs. He gonna sit down with Sam Monson a

1145
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: thirty third team at the NFL Scouting Combine. You have

1146
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: that and some mock drafts to look forward to. Which

1147
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: is nice? You listed to Cleveland Browns Daily on eight

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00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,480
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Speaker 2: All Right, Welcome back in Cleveland Brown's Daily, presented by

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Speaker 2: a Valley that official sports winning partner of your Cleveland Browns.

1154
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: And now here is the sitting down with Sam Monson

1155
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: to the thirty third team at the NFL Scouting Combine.

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00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 4: Very happy now to be joined by the co host

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00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 4: of the Check the Mic podcast, Sam Monson. Sam Great

1158
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 4: to see out here in Indy for yet another combine.

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00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks thanks for having me.

1160
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 8: It's just the start of the week, so we can

1161
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 8: we can run this against the Rocks anytime soon.

1162
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 4: But it's been good so far, so that's right. We're

1163
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 4: just getting started here, getting warmed up. Obviously, for the

1164
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns, this is a different combine. For the first

1165
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 4: time in over three years, we actually have a first

1166
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 4: round pick. And not only do we have first round pick,

1167
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: we have the number two pick in this draft. Kind

1168
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: Of if you look at where the Browns are right

1169
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 4: now two years ago, in the playoffs, last year, incredibly

1170
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 4: disappointing three and fourteen season, you get that number two pick,

1171
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: kind of take us in the mind of if you

1172
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 4: were running the Browns, kind of, what are you thinking

1173
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 4: right now about this draft and this offseason.

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00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 8: I yeah, I feel like this draft is an opportunity

1175
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 8: for them to kind of get out of a situation

1176
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 8: that otherwise would have no answer to it. Right Like,

1177
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 8: they're in this unprecedented situation where we've talked about it before,

1178
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 8: like Andrew Berry's made a lot of really good moves,

1179
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 8: and if you were looking at it in terms of percentages,

1180
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 8: like he's batting really well in terms of the number

1181
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 8: of moves he's made that are really good, but the

1182
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 8: one that hasn't worked out is obviously the most important one.

1183
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 8: So like percentage wise, he's doing really well, magnitude wise,

1184
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 8: maybe not, but this is the way out, Like getting

1185
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 8: a pick at the top two of this draft, one

1186
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 8: of the ways out of that. When you have this

1187
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 8: giant contract that you're still stuck with with a guy

1188
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 8: who's still injured, who even when he wasn't injured, wasn't

1189
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 8: playing well enough to be starting. The only way out

1190
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 8: of that is another quarterback who's not on any kind

1191
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 8: of money, you know, who's on a all enough contract

1192
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 8: that you can bring that in, absorb it along with

1193
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 8: Deshaun Watson's contract, and get.

1194
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Speaker 6: The starter that way.

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Speaker 8: So there's no there's still no greater cheat code in

1196
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 8: the NFL than good quarterback on a rookie contract. Obviously,

1197
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 8: the lower down the draft that contract is, that the

1198
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 8: more of a cheat code it is. But you know,

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Speaker 8: number two overall gives you a really good chance that

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00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 8: that guy will be good, and the contract is still

1201
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 8: small enough that you can bring it on board and

1202
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 8: make it happen.

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00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 4: I like the way you said that we've been kind

1204
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 4: of talking about it on Cleveland Browns Daily, is you know,

1205
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 4: we got a life raft to have the number two

1206
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 4: pick in the draft where some teams won games maybe

1207
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 4: they shouldn't have, and now we have this opportunity. And

1208
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: so you're talking quarterback. I've been talking quarterback. You know,

1209
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 4: the Browns have picked in the top ten fourteen times

1210
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: since nineteen nine, and they've only think two quarterbacks, Tim

1211
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 4: Couch and Baker Mayfield in the top ten. They've traded

1212
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 4: out of the top ten many times, they've taken other

1213
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 4: positions and seen perhaps good quarterbacks be drafted. I'm with you.

1214
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 4: I think that's that is the path forward. You got

1215
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 4: two of them here, Cam Moored and Schaduur Sanders that

1216
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 4: pretty much the consensus is those are the top two.

1217
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: And I would say within that there's a consensus by

1218
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: maybe seventy five percent that it's that Cam's number one

1219
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 4: and Shador's number two, although some people do think Chaudor

1220
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: is the best quarterback in this draft. What do you

1221
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: think of these quarterbacks? And as you come here kind

1222
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: of you've watched all the tape, what's kind of where

1223
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 4: you stand with these two.

1224
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think overall they are being a little bit

1225
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 8: maligned right now in terms of the analysis. You know,

1226
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 8: people are saying this is not a good quarterback class.

1227
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 8: They're nowhere near you know, last year's group, and it's

1228
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 8: not a good year to be picking at the top

1229
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 8: of the draft. It's certainly not as deep as it

1230
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 8: was a year ago. I mean, look at last season.

1231
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 8: We had six guys that were taken towards the top

1232
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 8: of that draft, and even then some of those were surprising.

1233
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Speaker 8: And what was amazing about that group is that, unlike

1234
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 8: the last time where we had sort of five quarterbacks

1235
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 8: go at the top, all of these guys look good,

1236
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 8: you know, to varying degrees. Obviously Jayden Daniels maybe the

1237
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 8: greatest rookie season we've ever seen. But even guys you know,

1238
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 8: Bo Nicks, Michael Pennix junior comes in late in the season,

1239
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 8: all of them looked good to some degree. So and

1240
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 8: I thought last year Shador Sanders Tape belonged in that

1241
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 8: kind of group. Now where you ranked him exactly, we

1242
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 8: can debate, but I thought he belonged in that group

1243
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 8: with those quarterbacks, you know, cam Ward, as you said,

1244
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 8: most people think he's the superior of the two quarterbacks,

1245
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 8: but you know, overall, I think those two guys belong

1246
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 8: in that kind of conversation. Then I think you do

1247
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 8: see the dropoff and it's there's a gap between those

1248
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 8: guys and maybe a Jackson Dart as QB three, and

1249
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 8: the depth isn't there relative to a year ago. But

1250
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 8: specifically talking about these two, you know, neither one of

1251
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 8: them has the profile that say, Caleb Williams had a

1252
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 8: year ago. But overall, I think they do belong in

1253
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 8: that conversation of these are quarterbacks worthy of being taken

1254
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 8: at the top of a draft, and each one of

1255
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 8: them has a tool set that can work as a

1256
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 8: good NFL starter.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about their tool sets in a second,

1258
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 4: but I want to go back to something you said,

1259
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 4: and it's something that strikes me every year when I

1260
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 4: come to the combine and you get to talk to

1261
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 4: everybody and you get the opinions, and I'll go back

1262
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: two years ago, it was Bryce Young is definitely the

1263
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 4: top guy. And remember C J. Stroud at the time,

1264
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: it was kind of, well, it's Ohio State. The quarterbacks

1265
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 4: have worked out. He's playing with nothing, but first round

1266
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: wide receivers. It wasn't that c. Stroud was this slam

1267
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 4: dunk and ends up. You know, Bryce Young showed in

1268
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: some promise at the end of last year, but it

1269
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 4: looks like CJ. Stroud was the better one in that drift,

1270
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Speaker 4: and then last year was Caleb Williams, and then there

1271
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 4: was kind of everybody else. Again, it wasn't that, oh

1272
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: you get Jane Daniels at two your set forever, right,

1273
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 4: That was not the thought process we were here, and

1274
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 4: so revision his history is like, oh yeah, that glass

1275
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 4: was so loaded and oh yeah, you could get Nobody

1276
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 4: thought of these guys. You know, nobody thinks of Shador

1277
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Speaker 4: cam Ward like they thought of Stroud or Jane Daniels.

1278
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Speaker 4: And I don't know that that's exactly true. When you

1279
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 4: think about where we are right now here today with

1280
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 4: the benefit of seeing how they performed, obviously it changes

1281
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 4: what you thought of them at the time.

1282
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's a great point. Bo Nicks and

1283
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 8: Michael Pennix Junior. This time last year, most people thought

1284
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 8: those guys were maybe second round draft picks, you know,

1285
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 8: fringe first rounders, guys that if you don't get, you know,

1286
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 8: one of the top guys. You can come back later

1287
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 8: on and get one of those guys. I think Bo

1288
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 8: Nicks his stocks started to rise a lot sooner. But

1289
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 8: you know, everyone was up in arms when the Falcons

1290
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 8: picked Michael Pennick Junior in the top ten. People thought

1291
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 8: that he was a fringe first round, early second round

1292
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 8: type of guy. I think his spot on the consensus

1293
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 8: board at draft time was still like thirty second overall

1294
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 8: or something. Now, you know, we knew at the time,

1295
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 8: and we know subsequently that the Falcons loved him a

1296
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 8: lot more than that. You know, he did from right

1297
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 8: at the start, and it seems like the NFL consensus

1298
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 8: on him was a lot higher than the kind of

1299
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 8: public you know, media consensus was. But yeah, we are

1300
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 8: talking now. It feels a little bit like these quarterbacks

1301
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 8: are not seen where the last group was and maybe

1302
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 8: a step below that. But number one, we don't know.

1303
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 8: That's how the NFL is viewing them, and not every

1304
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 8: team is going to view them the same.

1305
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: You know.

1306
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 8: The if we're saying seventy five percent of people think

1307
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 8: cam Ward is number one, twenty five percent think Shooder

1308
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 8: Sanders number one. I mean, that's eight teams that think

1309
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 8: Shoulder Sanders is the number one quarterback in this draft, right, yep.

1310
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 8: If that's the way it breaks down within NFL buildings,

1311
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 8: and they may break down completely differently, So you never

1312
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 8: have any idea how the NFL necessarily feels about them,

1313
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 8: and you also don't know quite what how whether you're

1314
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 8: gonna feel the same now versus at draft time.

1315
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 4: All right, Well, you said we're gonna talk a little

1316
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 4: bit about their their traits and their tools and all.

1317
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 4: That will start with cam WARDO. I think this is

1318
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 4: just my personal evaluation, maybe the more toolsy of the

1319
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 4: two because of his arm as a bill to throw it,

1320
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 4: he can flick it from pretty much any arm angle,

1321
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 4: any foot position, any base really has improved over the years.

1322
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: Very live armed can layer it down the field. What

1323
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 4: do you like about cam Warden?

1324
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's definitely true.

1325
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 8: He's the more sort of NFL tools of the tools

1326
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 8: quarterback of the two. He's got the athleticism, he's got

1327
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 8: the big arm, he's got the gunslinger mentality like he

1328
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 8: on the regular. On the downside of that is you

1329
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 8: also get the negative of the gunslinger, like there are

1330
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 8: plays out there every single game that you want back

1331
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 8: right that You're like, if we could just take this away,

1332
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 8: we've got a genuinely special quarterback prospect, but he hasn't

1333
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 8: been able to do that yet and that remains a

1334
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 8: kind of a blight on his game. And then Chador

1335
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 8: is a lot more sort of by the numbers, nothing

1336
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 8: as special necessarily, but it's all pretty good. And those

1337
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 8: are the guys I think that get picked apart when

1338
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 8: it comes to draft time a lot. I mean, remember

1339
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 8: the narrative around Joe Burrow at the time, right, this

1340
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 8: is a guy who led maybe the most explosive offense

1341
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 8: in college football history, was like a cast iron clear

1342
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 8: number one overall pick, and at draft time there's a

1343
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 8: whole bunch of people that are picking apart his arm

1344
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 8: and being like, I don't know if his arms you

1345
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 8: know if yeah, right, look, all those are like valid

1346
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 8: points to bring up, but nobody's ever talked about his

1347
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 8: arm since then, Like nobody's looking at Joe Burrow now,

1348
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 8: you know, playing in Cincinnati in the cold in that division,

1349
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 8: being like I do, if that guy.

1350
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 6: Just had a bit better arm.

1351
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 8: You know, we've been talking about the MVP right now,

1352
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 8: Like and to me, Shador Sanders like his athleticism, his arm,

1353
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 8: his tools fit into the sort of Joe Book Joe

1354
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 8: Burrow category. Right, They're not special, but they're fine. They're

1355
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 8: NFL fine. And that's where most quarterbacks are in terms

1356
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 8: of the league.

1357
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 6: Right.

1358
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 8: No, sure, most quarterbacks are not Josh Allen. That's why

1359
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 8: he's Josh Allen. Most quarterbacks are somewhere in the middle.

1360
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 8: And it's about, you know, do your tools meet the

1361
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 8: thresholds we need for the other stuff to work? And

1362
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 8: I think the other stuff is where he's good at.

1363
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 8: The big concern. I think for Shador outside of the

1364
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 8: you know, the Dion drama and what you're gonna be

1365
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 8: bringing to the table and own the NFL teams really

1366
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 8: know that outside of that stuff, it's you know, he

1367
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 8: does take some bad sacks. He holds onto the ball

1368
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 8: too long, and it's difficult to project whether that's you know,

1369
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 8: Caleb Williams is the same last year. Is that a

1370
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 8: product of feeling that the entire thing is on his

1371
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 8: shoulders in college? Right, which it was, right, and at

1372
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 8: the NFL level, theoretically you can be like, okay, you

1373
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 8: can trust the other side of the ball. Now, you know,

1374
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 8: we can rely on the defense. You don't need to

1375
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 8: make every play. You know, throw the ball away on

1376
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 8: third down. It's not the worst thing in the world.

1377
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 8: Can you change that in the NFL? Or is that?

1378
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: Like?

1379
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 6: That's who he is?

1380
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 3: Right?

1381
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 8: This is going to be what he does at the

1382
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 8: next level as well as the college where you needed

1383
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 8: him to do that. That's always a tough thing to

1384
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 8: work out.

1385
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 6: At this point.

1386
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 4: I think there are two things that are interesting with

1387
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: both of these guys in terms of the projection you

1388
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 4: have to make. And we'll start with Shador. But with

1389
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 4: Shador you're dealing with when you watch them on tape,

1390
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard not to notice effected his offensive

1391
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 4: line in many cases didn't block anybody. And I mean

1392
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 4: that almost literally would not even contact a giant human

1393
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 4: being in front of them when he was in structure.

1394
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 4: Though when it was blocked up for him, I thought

1395
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 4: he was very good and very accurate. And so my

1396
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 4: mind goes to a Kevin Stefanski offense, in which you're

1397
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 4: going to have clearly defined reads. You are supposed to

1398
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 4: do this. They if this player here goes here, you

1399
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: throw the ball there. If they go there, you throw

1400
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 4: it here. And he and I think in those situations,

1401
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 4: he's very good. So the question is can he take

1402
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 4: away some of those bad habits that he developed behind

1403
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 4: that offensive line, right and do that consistently at the

1404
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 4: next lelf, Because if so, I think he can be

1405
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: surgical in an offense like this.

1406
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 8: And simply how much is changing the ratios of those

1407
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 8: bad you know, the bad offensive line plays? Like how

1408
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 8: much does that immediately fix the problem? I mean, this

1409
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 8: was always a question when Baker Mayfield was coming out

1410
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 8: right his play under pressure in college? Who's actually really

1411
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 8: good but he just barely ever faced pressure? So simply like,

1412
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 8: how much does it change when you simply turn that

1413
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 8: up a bit?

1414
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: Right?

1415
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 8: Does that actually change his behavior in those snaps because

1416
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 8: you're changing the ratio? Well, with Chadora, it's going in

1417
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 8: the other direction, right, Like, he's under pressure a lot

1418
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 8: now and it's led to some bad habits and it

1419
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 8: sort of creates the worst plays that he has.

1420
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 6: But what if we just dial that down?

1421
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 8: Does that immediately change the way he behaves in the

1422
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 8: bad plays because he doesn't have to deal with them

1423
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 8: most of the time anymore. It's only coming every so often.

1424
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 8: So this is why quarterback projection is still so hard

1425
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 8: because even with all the data in the world, even

1426
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 8: with all the information, all the numbers, you know, the measurables,

1427
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 8: you still don't know the answer to those questions like

1428
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 8: what happens if we just move the slider and now

1429
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 8: we've changed the situation, right, It's not.

1430
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 6: It actually changes the behaviors.

1431
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 8: Some of these guys deal with, and sometimes it doesn't right,

1432
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 8: And there's no like logical answer to that question. So

1433
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 8: it's always like educated guesswork and projection.

1434
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 4: Yea. And I would say on the other side with

1435
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 4: with Cam, some of the bad habits that he got

1436
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 4: into or one of the things that he would do,

1437
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 4: at least when I was watching him, I felt like

1438
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 4: he would was very comfortable as doing a ten to

1439
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 4: fifteen yard wide open player to just drift, drift, drift

1440
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 4: and try to make the home run play, which you

1441
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 4: know in this leagu would drive offensive coordinators crazy the layups.

1442
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 4: If we scheme it upright and there's a wide open

1443
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 4: ten yards, you take that wide open ten yards. That's

1444
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 4: just the way that the league operates. Can you coach

1445
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 4: that out of him?

1446
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1447
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 8: And also but that's kind of become a bigger thing

1448
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 8: in today's NFL where that big game hunting, Like those

1449
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 8: big plays are still huge, right, totally. Those are the

1450
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 8: things and I think we were seeing like more and

1451
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 8: more teams embrace kind of letting a quarterback cook, you know,

1452
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 8: just letting him make those plays.

1453
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 6: Yep. But the Caleb Williams thing again, right, that's this

1454
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 6: this very.

1455
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 8: Tricky balance of you know, can you play within the

1456
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 8: structure enough to kind of let you go and make

1457
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 8: those special plays when it makes sense as opposed to

1458
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 8: you can't be doing that all the time totally, and

1459
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 8: when you're trying to do that, that's where we get problems.

1460
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 8: But like you know, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, what makes

1461
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 8: those guys special is that ability to like Mahomes, the

1462
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 8: number of plays where he drops beyond the pocket like

1463
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 8: eleven twelve yards d hanging his offensive tackle Mary.

1464
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 6: But he keeps going right as long.

1465
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 8: As you keep going back by yourself enough time you

1466
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 8: can get the ball in the air. He's a master

1467
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 8: at that. Like nobody's coaching that. But he's good enough

1468
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 8: and he's my home, so you let him work. It's

1469
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 8: a really difficult balance, I think to figure out, well,

1470
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 8: how much do you lean into that natural, you know,

1471
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 8: God given playmaking ability versus you know, let's start with

1472
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 8: this is what we want you to do, and then

1473
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 8: when it breaks down, you can add the layer of

1474
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 8: special on top of that. Again, I think it's a

1475
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 8: very difficult projection to make.

1476
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is. In my notes with him, Morden, I

1477
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 4: kept writing, just chunk play machine. He is a chunk

1478
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 4: play machine, whereas I see Chador as kind of more

1479
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 4: a surgeon kind of operating an offense as well. All Right,

1480
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 4: you know what we run here, Kevin's fancy taking back

1481
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 4: the play calling this year, going back to kind of

1482
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 4: the offense that made him the two time coach of

1483
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 4: the Year. With these guys with the traits that you've

1484
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 4: seen here. If you had a preference, and maybe you don't,

1485
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 4: who would you kind of prefer if you were the Browns.

1486
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 8: I really like the fit of Shador Sanders in this offense.

1487
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 8: You know, I think that he would work very well

1488
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 8: than the Stefanski offense. You know, Yes, the weather in

1489
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 8: Cleveland can be a concern sometimes, but it's a concern

1490
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 8: for Baseki everybody that isn't Josh Allen. Right, those games,

1491
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 8: I mean, Baker Mayfield had a bunch of games who

1492
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 8: were like, this game is meaningless. The weather is so bad,

1493
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 8: you're not getting anything out of it. Throw it out

1494
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 8: and Baker Mayfield's got a strong arm.

1495
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. And it was with Deshaun played a stretch

1496
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 4: where he played against Shaun Watson, we played against Derek Carr,

1497
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 4: and there was I don't remember who the quarterback of

1498
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 4: the Eagles was at the time, but there was three

1499
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 4: weeks in a rowers like, it doesn't matter who's that, right.

1500
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 8: So the weather, the weather that affects Shador in Cleveland

1501
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 8: is going to affect basically every quarterback in the NFL

1502
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 8: that is not Josh Allen. So you know, it's not

1503
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 8: it's not a reason I think to say you don't

1504
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 8: take him, you take the other guy. It's going to

1505
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 8: affect everybody. It's just something you have to deal with

1506
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 8: when you're playing football outdoors in Cleveland. But I think

1507
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 8: him in that offense will be a.

1508
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 4: Very good fit. Love it all right, We're gonna get

1509
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 4: you out of here on this one, Sam. What is

1510
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 4: the one thing or one piece of knowledge or a

1511
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 4: little bit bit of information you hope to come out

1512
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 4: of this week in Indie.

1513
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 8: With I guess this week to me is all about

1514
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 8: it sort of thresholds, right, It's it's I don't really

1515
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 8: care if you're running a four to three versus a

1516
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 8: four to four. It's each different position. You just need

1517
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 8: to see them tick the box. Right, Are you athletic

1518
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 8: enough for this position in the NFL for us to

1519
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 8: be comfortable projecting your college tape into the league. And

1520
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 8: if the answer is yes, that's all we're here for.

1521
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 8: Is the answer is no, well, now we got to

1522
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 8: go look back and figure out why did that happen

1523
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 8: if we thought it was different because a lot of

1524
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 8: you know, these guys have all got kind of college

1525
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 8: athletic playing player tracking data, so you have a rough

1526
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 8: idea with the athleticism anyway. But if that then doesn't match, well,

1527
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 8: now we've got to try and figure out why that

1528
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 8: is the case. Or you know, if you love the

1529
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 8: player but he doesn't hit those threshols. But now you

1530
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 8: have those difficult conversations of do we break the rules

1531
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 8: for this guy?

1532
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 6: Right?

1533
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 4: And as many we've had many GMS sit with us

1534
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 4: here and say do not bet on outliers consistently. That's

1535
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 4: the way. Check the mic, that's the podcast Sam monson

1536
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 4: our guest, Sam, thanks so much for the time and

1537
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 4: day Indy, thanks for having me.

1538
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Speaker 2: A good stuff was Zee and Sam on that coming

1539
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1551
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Speaker 2: give a hi, how are you good?

1552
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,879
Speaker 3: Just while while we were listening to that interview, Saquon

1553
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: Barclay got paid. He did what was it, two years, forty.

1554
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: One million, highest ever for a running back.

1555
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1556
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 2: It's one of the those things where he made a

1557
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: bet on himself and then he picked the perfect spot

1558
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: to go to. And it's also why there won't be

1559
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 2: an NFL off season Hard Knocks ever again because of

1560
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: what was exposed in that show, what was going on

1561
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: in the front office with the Giants that let him walk.

1562
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, first twenty million per year running back, ability to

1563
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 3: earn an additional fifteen million in incentives and escalators. Deal

1564
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 3: includes thirty six million fully guaranteed at signing. So by

1565
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 3: the way, the rival team in the in your division

1566
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 3: let him walk to the other team. So, yeah, that

1567
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 3: still happened, like you said, yeah, and that's why they're

1568
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 3: no Hard Knocks. Hard Knocks is officially dead in the offseason.

1569
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the reason for that is what happened

1570
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 2: with them, And you know with John Morris standing there

1571
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 2: and telling Joe shown, I don't like this, I just

1572
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: want to be on the record, and then it all happened.

1573
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: So saque bet on himself. Good for him, indeed, that's

1574
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: and rightfully so. And you wonder what that means for

1575
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: We were just talking during the break, you know, James

1576
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: Cook and Buffalo who's wanting more money and a new

1577
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: deal and what that does for the running back market,

1578
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean, obviously you're keeping an eye

1579
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: on our guy Nick Chubb and what you know, what

1580
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: does the market bear for him. I think the big

1581
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: change in running back was what the forty nine ers

1582
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: did with McCaffrey when they didn't view him just as

1583
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: a back but more treated him like a weapon. I

1584
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: think the McCaffrey dealing with the forty nine ers laid

1585
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: the groundwork for the Saquon deal here, and I think

1586
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: what you're going to see going forward is that. And

1587
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: this will be a big push for running backs and

1588
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: agents and all of it is to note, don't label

1589
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: me as a running back, label me as a weapon.

1590
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 3: Yep.

1591
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: And Barkley was a weapon and he's being paid as such.

1592
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 3: Finger out a thing from Adam Shifter on t Higgins.

1593
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 3: There are people across the league who believe that this

1594
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 3: could wind up being a tag and trade deal. So

1595
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 3: Bleacher Report put this out a few others or a

1596
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 3: few other resources around the league as well. Landing spots

1597
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 3: for t Higgins thing or not a thing. The New

1598
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: England Patriots a viable landing source.

1599
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: Well, this would be a big thing for the Patriots.

1600
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: They have the salary cap space to do so. They

1601
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 2: have a good young quarterback who needs weapons desperately. This

1602
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: feels like the most logical place for him. To get

1603
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: paid the most. So I think this is a big

1604
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: This would be a monster thing for the Pats. I

1605
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: think he'd be a monster thing for Mike, be a

1606
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: monster thing for Drake May. I don't know if one

1607
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: head coach right, I don't know if T wants that.

1608
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: If he wants to go to New England, I don't

1609
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: know that, but my hunches they might have to pay

1610
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: him a little bit more to get him there. But

1611
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: I think this would be a huge thing for the Patriots.

1612
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 3: I think you could win in that division too, because

1613
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 3: I don't what the Dolphins are doing. The Jets are awful.

1614
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 3: The Bills have a window, but every year, while we

1615
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 3: keep saying the window is going to close, it doesn't.

1616
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 2: But they would be set up as the team behind.

1617
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 2: They could challenge Miami really quickly as the number two

1618
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: team in the division. Absolutely, so I think it'd be

1619
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 2: a big thing for the Patriots. I don't know if

1620
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 2: it would be something that I don't know if it

1621
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: would be a thing that T Higgins would want as

1622
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 2: a top choice.

1623
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 3: Finger out a thing the Los Angeles Chargers as a

1624
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 3: spot for T Higgins.

1625
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: So if you're T Higgins, this was probably the biggest

1626
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: thing for you. So you've got Lad McConkie in the

1627
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: slot moving around, you have tea on the outside, you're

1628
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: playing in a dome in southern California, and justin Herbertshire quarterback. Like,

1629
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: that's a pretty damn good lifestyle. Of the ones we're

1630
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,799
Speaker 2: going to talk about. If you were to get inside

1631
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: his head and say what's the real truth and where

1632
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 2: you'd want to go? This I think would be his

1633
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 2: number one choice. Maybe he wants saying Cincinnati.

1634
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: We don't know.

1635
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 2: He hasn't really it seems like maybe he would, but

1636
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 2: I know him and Burrow and Chas are all close.

1637
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 2: But if he hits, if he is traded, because now

1638
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: he's been tagged the Chargers, I think would be his.

1639
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 2: If you're him, that's the one that would make the most.

1640
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's and you're almost Burrows still ahead of Herbert,

1641
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 3: but it's as close to a lateral move. I mean,

1642
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 3: you go out, Atriots. There's still some work to be

1643
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 3: done there, quarterback. But Herbert, you've got a guy that

1644
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:27,839
Speaker 3: can get you the football.

1645
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, you do.

1646
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,799
Speaker 2: And you've got you've got dome. You've got a player

1647
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: coach who a coach rather who's a player's coach who

1648
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 2: everybody loves playing for him. And just think about Herbert.

1649
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: Herbert is twenty.

1650
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 3: God almighty, he's only twenty six.

1651
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the same age as Tyler Shuck. Think about that. Yeah,

1652
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: that's unbelievable. So justin Herbert, I mean he good lord,

1653
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: this is it's pretty crazy when you think about it.

1654
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: Just think about this from a from the perspective. All Right,

1655
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: he has played, He's played five seasons in the league.

1656
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 2: This will be his sixth year in the league.

1657
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 3: That's crazy. He will not Now.

1658
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: He'll turn twenty seven in six days, so he's essentially

1659
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: twenty seven. But he's basically a year or two, a

1660
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 2: year older than Chuck who's in this year's draft. He's

1661
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: a year older than bon Nicks, who was in last

1662
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: year's draft. He's already played five NFL seasons. He's thrown

1663
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: for twenty one thousand yards, average completion percentage of sixty

1664
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 2: six point five, one hundred and thirty seven touchdowns, forty

1665
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 2: five picks.

1666
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, with no coaching his first four years, and then

1667
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 3: when he.

1668
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: Had weapons, when he had weapons, he didn't have coaching him.

1669
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 2: Now that he has coaching, he does have weapons, but no,

1670
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: that's I mean his it's pretty amazing, like his quarterback rating.

1671
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: His career quarterback rating is ninety six point seven. Yeah,

1672
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: that's to me, that would be the spot. That would

1673
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: absolutely be the spot if I were Higgins and I

1674
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 2: would want to go.

1675
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: And then the final team option, the Las Vegas Raiders,

1676
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 3: what do you think they're going to do.

1677
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: I don't think this would be a thing for him

1678
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 2: unless he just wants to if they just overcompensate him

1679
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: and he wants to live in a state without state

1680
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 2: income tax and living.

1681
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 3: I think until the Raiders have the quarterback situation figured out,

1682
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,839
Speaker 3: they can't be worried about putting pieces around.

1683
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: Is this the spot for Rogers Adams goes back? I

1684
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: don't know, Brady, Is this Rogers and Adams and get

1685
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 2: another weapon at six and make a run.

1686
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 3: Get the yeah, get the wide receiver or we're gonna see.

1687
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 3: There's one mock draft that has Austin Genty going to

1688
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 3: which last week we were making the joke that would

1689
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 3: be a very Raider thing to do would be to

1690
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 3: take Genty at number six. Yes, yeah, he yeah there.

1691
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: I would imagine that there is probably some pressure amongst

1692
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: ownership with the Raiders to start to win a little bit. Yeah,

1693
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean when you guys went to their games, how

1694
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: many what percentage was Browns fans when you go to

1695
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 2: a game.

1696
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. They said, like our game was

1697
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 3: like the first time that it was as close to

1698
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 3: a fifty to fifty split. Oh, normally it's more the

1699
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 3: other team has way more, has more. Yeah, exactly, so

1700
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: the Raiders, they said, the Raider fan base actually showed

1701
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: up and started showing up at that point.

1702
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, that I think that was always the fear

1703
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: for them, right, is that it would be the road

1704
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: game everybody goes to.

1705
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 3: And that's kind of what's happened. It's what's happened. It's

1706
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 3: the same thing with LA and out in LA. If

1707
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 3: you're if the if the LA team sucks, like it

1708
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 3: it's a home game for the other team.

1709
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 4: Wow.

1710
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean there were I say fifty to

1711
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: fifty split. That means that half the stadium were Browns fans. Like, yeah,

1712
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 3: it's right, and that's considered like a win for them. Yeah.

1713
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: So the Vegas Metro is two point three it's two

1714
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: point three million.

1715
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 3: It's the Vegas Metro could see that. Yeah, what are

1716
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 3: we now? We are?

1717
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: Oh cheez, wow, that's something. Cleveland Metro is now just

1718
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 2: two point one.

1719
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 3: Hmmm. If you add Akron Canton, then it's three point seven.

1720
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think you could do that.

1721
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to add that. Well, it

1722
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: was just very different city. It's a solid forty five

1723
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 3: minutes away.

1724
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: I always said when I was in local television and

1725
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 2: when I was in local TV down in Columbus, I

1726
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: never understood how Canton, Masslin, Akron, how they don't have

1727
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 2: like their.

1728
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 3: Own and counted toward Cleveland.

1729
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 2: Well, right, they count up here, Like, how could whatever

1730
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 2: is going on in Cleveland affect somebodyho lives in Masslin

1731
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 2: or Canton. Correct, the Canton and Akron primarily mean, those

1732
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: are big cities. Like it's kind of crazy that they

1733
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 2: don't have their own local news to like I always

1734
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 2: thought that's but they always count in the greater Cleveland.

1735
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 3: So uh, real quick thing or not a thing the

1736
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,879
Speaker 3: cult should bring in Daniel Jones's competition for Anthony Richardson.

1737
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones for Richardson, No, I don't think that's a thing.

1738
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

1739
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: I think they have to decide isn't isn't our guy

1740
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: still there? Isn't Flacco still there anyway?

1741
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's under contractor and I feel

1742
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 3: like he might be a free age Yeah.

1743
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: I would have punted on Richardson already. I've said that

1744
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: multiple times. I think he's just not accurate enough. But

1745
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 2: it seems like they really want to make him work.

1746
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 2: And if they really want to make him work, like

1747
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have any competition for him. I would just

1748
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 2: do everything in my power to make him work and

1749
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 2: make this be your last chance to make it work.

1750
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 3: Thing or not a thing? That twenty twenty five free

1751
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 3: agent classes the weakest of yes past ten ten years.

1752
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so that seemed I don't. I don't

1753
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 2: have all ten in front of me. But like the

1754
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 2: best one is Higgins and he just got tagged.

1755
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like there's not a quarterback.

1756
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 2: You quarterbacks rarely hit, but there's not usually there's like

1757
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: a stud D lineman or a stud corner, stud receiver,

1758
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: Like all that stuff's already been done.

1759
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 3: Correct.

1760
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really quiet.

1761
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 3: There's going to be a bunch of trades. The free

1762
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 3: agent class isn't really all it's cracked up to me. No, no, no,

1763
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 3: it's not definitely not right, not good, Jim, there you

1764
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 3: go a little thing or other thing we'll do. Uh.

1765
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 2: We got a flurry of post combine mock drafts. There

1766
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 2: is one from the ones we're going to go over

1767
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: that shoudour Sanders is dropping quite a bit. We will

1768
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 2: try to separate the fact from fiction on that. Coming

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01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,479
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1776
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: We have some post combine mock drafts. All right, Let's

1777
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: start with Lance Zeer line two point zero.

1778
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 4: We had him on.

1779
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 2: Last week, we did indeed Wednesday, I think we had

1780
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: him on he joes.

1781
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 3: And he has so.

1782
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: I guess one thing we should I always forget which

1783
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: guys do it? Which way is this? How you would

1784
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 2: draft if you were them? Or is this what you

1785
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: think they would do? That's a big delineation for me.

1786
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't either. I can't remember. We

1787
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 3: can what he think will happen?

1788
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I remember, like Dane, I think Dane

1789
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 2: does it what I think, and I think there's another

1790
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: guy who does it, somebody I know that we haven't

1791
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 2: all the time.

1792
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 3: Is this is what I would do?

1793
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 2: So that's always really really critical to handle that side

1794
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: of it. So Zerline has us taking Travis Hunter at

1795
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: number two. I believe I can't pull this up?

1796
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 3: So do I Am? I reading this right? Yes? Okay,

1797
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 3: So he's got go ahead, run through it and we'll

1798
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 3: so zer line two point zero. Okay, the Browns take

1799
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter number two, Shouldre Sanders free falls, and the

1800
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 3: Browns come back into the first round to pick twenty

1801
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 3: nine to take Sanders. Sold? Did I do that? Okay?

1802
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: So I get the best weapon in the draft, maybe

1803
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: best player in the draft, and I get a quarterback

1804
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 2: I like a lot yep who's maybe the consensus number

1805
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 2: two guy at twenty nine.

1806
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 3: I get them both sold done. Yeah, I'll do that

1807
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 3: right now, So sign me up. Yeah, I mean his

1808
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 3: biggest movers from one point oho is Sanders falls from

1809
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 3: number six to number twenty nine. Someone explained again, I

1810
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: love you Lance, but why why does that guy fair? Yeah?

1811
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 2: The other thing that's weird about so this is another one.

1812
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 2: He's a big offensive line guy and that armand membo

1813
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: who's from Missouri, who ran lights out the tackle out

1814
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 2: of Missouri. So based on that forty, Lance has him

1815
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 2: going from fourteen to four overall because he ran in

1816
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: the fours. He's a big guy and it's wild to

1817
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 2: see how offense is a big man running. Yeah, I

1818
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: don't see that. Jordan Reid's two point zero mock drafts

1819
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 2: Sheder Sanders at two Ohio State running back Traveon Henderson

1820
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 2: at thirty three for your Cleveland Brown. Yeah, that's an

1821
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 2: interesting one with Trey and I think if we get

1822
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: back to Kevin's offense kind of the one cut get

1823
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: up field, I actually think Quinchean would be better in that.

1824
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 2: I think he's more and I know he had a

1825
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 2: great combine both those guys did. They're just very different.

1826
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: Like Quinchewan is, He's bigger, more powerful, He's a fall

1827
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 2: forward guy, where Trey I think is a little bit.

1828
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 2: Tray sometimes misses some of the easy stuff that's there,

1829
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 2: but he has a screen pass busted out. He'll run

1830
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 2: between the tackles. Two incredible, They're both great. He's incredible

1831
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 2: in pass protection. To me, Quinchan seems like the better

1832
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 2: fit for what I think we want to get back to.

1833
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 3: Offensively. Yeah, he's not gonna be there. I mean he's

1834
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 3: gonna eat. I think Judkins moving his way up into

1835
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 3: the teams, now, that'd.

1836
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 2: Be something if he did so, but that that to

1837
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 2: me stylistic. Both of them can play though, like but

1838
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 2: Tray's home run hitter.

1839
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 3: The tackle has an awesome forty and goes from thirty

1840
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 3: one to ten.

1841
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 2: So they moved him, Yeah, they moved. Everybody keeps selling

1842
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: us it's ninety percent tape. And then he moves all

1843
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: the way up. So he's the one that has Genty

1844
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 2: going to the Raiders. Yes, okay, So if the Raiders

1845
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: off season is sign a Rogers bring back Devantae Adams,

1846
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 2: you got Blake Bowers and then Ashton Genty. Okay, Okay,

1847
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting.

1848
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 3: In a hurry. Yeah, if that was the fortunate thing

1849
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 3: is you're in the maybe the most competitive division in

1850
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 3: the NFL.

1851
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt about it. Yeah, it's Yeah, it's

1852
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 2: a brutal, brutal division. But that that makes them interesting,

1853
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: Like if they did something like that.

1854
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Uh, Dane Brugler's two point zero out this morning.

1855
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 6: Uh.

1856
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 3: He has Abdual Carter to the Browns at number two.

1857
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 3: He has Sanders falling from number six overall to number

1858
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 3: twenty one overall. Yeah, which is the steel Steelers at

1859
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 3: twenty one? Yeah? Oh jeez, yeah, okay, thank you. We

1860
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 3: Gema and I have this conversation Will Johnson. He's fallen

1861
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,799
Speaker 3: on a number of boards. I would say in combine,

1862
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 3: he was falling. I'll tell you this, pass on him

1863
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 3: at your own peril. That kid can play like he

1864
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 3: got hurt, and I think that's impacting it obviously. But

1865
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 3: like Will Johnson's a hell of a player and that

1866
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 3: I think the tape on him is going to be

1867
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 3: very favorable. Ye, he's the he was the best corner

1868
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 3: coming out of Yeah. Yeah, and I still think that

1869
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 3: probably is the case. Yeah, I would, I would.

1870
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: I think he's a big time player. So they have

1871
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: Schudour falling to twenty one and he has us taking

1872
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 2: Abdull Carter at two. Yes, so if you're not trading

1873
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: miles and we were not trading miles, boy, that's just

1874
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 2: so much investment into defensive end.

1875
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's so.

1876
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: Much on in there that just doesn't add up to

1877
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: me in terms of what I think we would do

1878
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: as a as an operation. These are all It's weird

1879
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 2: how you hear all week about how the combine in

1880
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 2: terms of what happens on the field and what happens

1881
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: I think the group think that happens there is wild.

1882
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: It's wild to me how everyone. I even asked one

1883
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: of the guys we had on last week, do you

1884
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 2: avoid talking to everybody else so that it doesn't skew

1885
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:10,759
Speaker 2: your view of guys, so your opinion doesn't change. That's

1886
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: That's the one thing. And like a lot of them

1887
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 2: like you want to bounce it off other guys. I

1888
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 2: don't know if I would like if this was my

1889
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 2: job and I trusted my process, I think I'd want

1890
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: to believe in what I what I'm doing, absolutely not

1891
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 2: be influenced by what others think. All right, So much

1892
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 2: more to come. You listen to Cleveland Browns daily on

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1897
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 2: All Right, there you go, kids. So next next kind

1898
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 2: of big thing to watch for. Just from a news standpoint,

1899
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 2: this you can have your post COMBA kind of glow

1900
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 2: that will last through this week. Probably you'll start to

1901
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 2: see all of this cutdown. So we've seen that this

1902
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 2: week already, all of the cutdowns. You'll see the tags,

1903
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,480
Speaker 2: and then you'll start to see the movement towards at

1904
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 2: the league year. You'll start to see what that's all about.

1905
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 3: Legal tampering starts Monday. Monday, Yeah, at noon.

1906
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see what that looks like and

1907
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: what As you mentioned though, and the finger not out

1908
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 2: of thing.

1909
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 3: It's just not a loaded class of free agents. There's

1910
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 3: not a lot of glamour to it.

1911
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 2: So then will there be some trades potentially out there

1912
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 2: that spice things up? I'm telling you The Bengals is

1913
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:36,759
Speaker 2: a fascinating watch.

1914
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild. What's trying? Some big decisions need to

1915
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 3: be made. Then what are the squealers going to do

1916
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 3: with their QB situation. Absolutely, Yeah, keep a close eye

1917
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 3: on all of that. The next levels coming up next.

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