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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk, joined by a front of the program.

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Speaker 2: We've been doing this probably for the better part of

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Speaker 2: ten years now, Rob Rang He's a draft analyst for

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports, also a scout for the CFL, and he

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Speaker 2: joins us to talk about some draft prospects today in

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Speaker 2: preview the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: Rob, how are you man?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing very well. John, it's always a player be

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Speaker 3: with you. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm We're doing great.

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Speaker 2: Part of the boxes in the background, we're renovating the

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Speaker 2: basement and this has become a storage area. So we're

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Speaker 2: doing the best we can over here at home, which

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Speaker 2: is always a challenge.

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Speaker 1: So let's start here.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is gonna air Rob at the end

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Speaker 2: of the week prior to the combine, so we don't

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Speaker 2: quite know all the details yet of who's doing what.

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Speaker 2: What's your feeling on what's gonna happen with the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna throw and who's not gonna throws?

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Speaker 3: That's a million dark question, you know. Let me just

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Speaker 3: say this raf the bat. I would love to see

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Speaker 3: both cam Warden and Shuduer Sanders compete. That's what we

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Speaker 3: all want, you know. The fact that you know, Cam

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Speaker 3: Woardon of course opted out of the second half of

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Speaker 3: the Bowl game, opted not to participate in any of

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Speaker 3: the Senior All Star Games. Chaduur Sanders, you know, fairly

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Speaker 3: famously shows up to these with a Shrine Bowl but

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Speaker 3: then does not compete there. So this is an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And if I am an evaluator, who is you know,

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Speaker 3: have to strongly be considering a quarterback this year. Then

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Speaker 3: again I am just kind of panting the table, like generally,

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Speaker 3: this is your opportunity to compete, and especially if you're

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Speaker 3: cam Warden. But cam Warden has a stronger armies, a

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Speaker 3: better athlete. I think that he would make a lot

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Speaker 3: everybody else in this quarterback class. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: I do think that both quarterbacks feel very confident they

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Speaker 3: could just wait for their Prona ALLOWFL teams to come

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Speaker 3: like you John, like a lot of our listeners here,

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Speaker 3: you know, I am eager to see what decisions are made.

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Speaker 3: We live in a different era as you, as we know.

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Speaker 3: But the thing time, I do think that both quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: are legitimate, early first round caliber prospects. They can help

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Speaker 1: All right, what do you think is more important for

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Speaker 2: Is it if they do throw, how they look throw

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Speaker 2: as they try to figure out whether or not these

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks are not only good enough on the field, rob

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Speaker 2: but are the type of guys they want representing their franchise.

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Speaker 2: And frankly, you know, and then'll learn more than thirty

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Speaker 1: Quickly they see things, what their recall is.

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Speaker 2: You know, these are all things at the quarterback position

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that absolutely is that the interviews rather

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Speaker 3: the cases with cam wardensheew Sanders of course have transferred.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the top of this draft is

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Speaker 2: going to look like Rob how Early or Cam and

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Speaker 2: where do you think some of the other quarterbacks might

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in my opinion, there are four true blue Chippers

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Speaker 3: I just personally believe that there's an awful lot of

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Speaker 3: second third day prospect that are finding to be first

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Speaker 3: those are the absolute spectacular players in this draft class

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Speaker 3: that almost regardless of what you're looking to do, those

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Speaker 3: That said, I do think that you're going to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be situations here, Rob where one

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Speaker 2: and frankly, I just think that's the way this this

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Speaker 1: Does that make the combine that much more important?

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Speaker 1: You know, this board is so different from team to team,

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Speaker 1: there's so much volatility that testing, the personal experience, with

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Speaker 1: it's such a mess there once you get past that

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. Do you think that the combine

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Speaker 3: is goning to be more important this year than most years?

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Speaker 3: You know, sehn Hu and I have been doing this

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Speaker 3: I do think that the combine itself is more important

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Speaker 3: there's so many players that have played at multiple different

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Speaker 3: I think that the interview process is going to be

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Speaker 3: Every single player that was a vibe to Indianapolis, the

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Speaker 2: I always telp people the raw numbers for the testing

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Speaker 3: There's a question about it. And that's the thing is

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Speaker 2: Entire Yeah, a lot of times, if a player is

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Those are all things that you have to put into

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Speaker 3: You know, Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of players

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Speaker 3: Well, there's an awful lot of guys. Of course, that's

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Speaker 1: You know, real quick.

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Speaker 2: You're right, though, I think it's funny because ab Dul

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Speaker 3: It really is. And I apologize for the frudiance, Loik,

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Speaker 3: If he winds up running the four fours like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always fun. All right, we get quarterback, Let's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are absolutely two of the biggest ones, just

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Speaker 3: Arman Membo from Missouri one of my absolute favorite players

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Speaker 1: Touddle up, get in here, you're lined up here.

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Speaker 3: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 2: A guy with multi possessional flexibility. All right, running back,

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Speaker 3: But for me, the actual more important measurable skill is

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Speaker 3: Samson from Tennessee, you know, I think that he should basically,

437
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 3: you know, we've tuk us this nil and transfer policy time.

438
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 3: I'm curious how like General Electric or Maytag didn't just

439
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,440
Speaker 3: like offer some type of a deal to Dylan Sampson

440
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 3: and just nickname him spin Cycle because the guy just

441
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: spins off of contact as well as anybody that I've

442
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Speaker 3: seen in years. I mean, he's probably two hundred pounds,

443
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Speaker 3: so he's much smaller back, but still I just really

444
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Speaker 3: like his ability to bounce off the contact, the spinning,

445
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 3: the coordination, the lateral agility that requires to me his

446
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 3: next level stuff and I think translates very well to

447
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Speaker 3: the NFL.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just bring up one guy to you because

449
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Speaker 2: I think his testing is actually going to be pretty important,

450
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Speaker 2: and that's Camp Scatabo out of Vacoa State. Because you

451
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: watch him run to your point, he's got great contact balance,

452
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 2: it's hard to bring down. He bounces off guys, he

453
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: catches the football well. But I do wonder about the acceleration,

454
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 2: the burst and the overall top speed. You see what

455
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 2: we get called from behind. So I do think for him,

456
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 2: if he tests rulow rob he could be a second

457
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 2: round pick. If he doesn't, he runs into four sixes.

458
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 2: His other testing is not great. I could see him

459
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Speaker 2: falling back a little bit.

460
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Speaker 3: One hundred agree with you. I almost cut you off

461
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 3: there and asked you just to put yourself out there.

462
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Speaker 3: I mean, and guess tomate what we think the Camp

463
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Speaker 3: scottabo is gonna be to me is four or five

464
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Speaker 3: five and maybe north of that, maybe four to six

465
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: at the same time as hell of a player, I know.

466
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Speaker 3: So you getting excited about it? Oh my goodness, are

467
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Speaker 3: you too? Uh? You know? And so we're gonna go

468
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Speaker 3: back old school New York times time, like OJ Anderson

469
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. I mean, a guy that will put

470
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Speaker 3: you on the seat of your pants. But at the

471
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Speaker 3: same time, I don't know if he's gonna out and

472
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Speaker 3: run anybody. So in a running back class is as

473
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Speaker 3: tightly packed as this one is, I have to agree

474
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Speaker 3: with you. I think Camp'scattibo maybe has as much on

475
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Speaker 3: the line when it comes to the actual forty yard

476
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Speaker 3: dash time as probably any players. Issue among the running

477
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Speaker 3: backs but maybe any player this entire droft class.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

479
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's jump to the wide receiver class, and

480
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Speaker 2: you mentioned it. This is another one where I think

481
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of volatility here.

482
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Speaker 1: Rob.

483
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Speaker 2: It's not a class like we've seen the last couple

484
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Speaker 2: of years. It's a shallower class. You might only have

485
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: five guys maybe in the first two rounds something like that.

486
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Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit more, but not much more. I

487
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: think you had five guys in the first forty picks

488
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: last year, in the first thirty picks last year, or

489
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: so many wide receivers that went. So you already talked

490
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Speaker 2: about I am in r from Stanford potentially moving up.

491
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Speaker 2: Ted McMillan's the guy at the top. I'm a big

492
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Speaker 2: fan of his. I wonder what he's gonna run. I

493
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Speaker 2: think that's an important time we could talk about that.

494
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: But who else if this wide receiver spot do you

495
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: think could really see some attention? Like the guy like

496
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Speaker 2: a mechag book is like boring, but he's good, Like

497
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Speaker 2: is he gonna, you know, surprise people with this speed?

498
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Speaker 2: I just think again, this is another position where I

499
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: think guys can move up and down here based on

500
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: their testing Luther Burden, like, if he tests off the charts,

501
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: that's gonna really help him. But he's the guy that

502
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: relies on his athleticism. He's not a polished route runner, right,

503
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: So I think this wide receiver class is also given

504
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: nobody had overwhelming tape except for McMillan this year that

505
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Speaker 2: I think testing is gonna play a big role on

506
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Speaker 2: what order these guys go off the board.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll push back a little bit on Technic

508
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: Mill's tape. I mean, you watch his drops, there's some

509
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: other drops. This is the guy who's got talent. I

510
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: love the position of versatility at his size.

511
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Speaker 1: I thought it up a little bit in his final year,

512
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Speaker 1: was it?

513
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Speaker 3: You know?

514
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit better in his

515
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Speaker 1: last year.

516
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Speaker 3: I think he was too. At the same time, to me,

517
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: that is still very much a concerned obviously, just catching

518
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: football is one of those coachable things.

519
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: Which is funny because he's actually a really good hands catcher.

520
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: He's not a body catching guy, like he will get

521
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: his hands out there and catch it. But he has

522
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: been eating up by some drops.

523
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Speaker 3: You're right, well, and there are times and for those

524
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Speaker 3: of you who are watching us in video, then you

525
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Speaker 3: might be able to see this, and if you're not. Basically,

526
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 3: if your thumbs are you know, touching each other, then

527
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: that of course is one of the correct ways to

528
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 3: catch a football if the ball is outside of your pads.

529
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: Otherwise he does a lot of this, and that, of

530
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: course is technically incorrect. And there's too many times in

531
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Speaker 3: the sideline when he's got people closing contact. When you're

532
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Speaker 3: a guy who is as tall as technical Miiling is here,

533
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 3: it's a what he actually measures. And if I expected

534
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: to being six y four sixty five, you know, so

535
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: a guy that should be able to win a bunch

536
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: of jump offs, and he did. But at the same

537
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: time I want to see him be better than what

538
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: I saw on tape for a guy that is being

539
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: bandied about as a top ten selection. As I mentioned before,

540
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Speaker 3: Howey Manor to me is one of the bigger receivers

541
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Speaker 3: in Scotts, whether his size and receiving or and just

542
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: soft hands. So to me he's one of the guys

543
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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued by. Luther Burton is another one. Again, I

544
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Speaker 3: expect him to run in the low four fives, to

545
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: hide four four at least that's what I see on

546
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: tape as far as his agility and his ability to accelerate.

547
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Speaker 3: Another player that I am very intrigued by based on

548
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: his tape, based on just LSU's tradition of producing guys.

549
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: And then he wound up transfer to TCU. That's where

550
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 3: he wound up having his kind of breakthrough season here,

551
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: but then goes to Senior Bowl. I thought that he

552
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: was the best receiver on the field. That's Jack Jack

553
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 3: Besch and so to me, another guy that I don't

554
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Speaker 3: necessarily expect that he's going to run in the four threes,

555
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: but he is a guy that's very efficient, that makes

556
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: it plays after he gets the ball in his hands.

557
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: Those are the type of guys that I'm really excited about.

558
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: And then if we're going to Day three, couple of

559
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: the guys that also or at least in the case

560
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: of JA Cory Brooks from Louisville is a transfer from Alabama,

561
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: but I see a playmaker and then another sleeper. Saved

562
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: this one for later, but just because you got me

563
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: your receivers, and now I'm in, you know, kind of

564
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: frowfing out and mouth talking about some of these guys.

565
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: Ricky Wipe, the third from ULV, I think as a

566
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Speaker 3: player that from out west and not a lot of

567
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: people are talking about, but when you watch him on tape,

568
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: he gets open and he makes big plays, and so

569
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Speaker 3: to me, those are the intriguing things in this wide

570
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: receiver class that as you articulated earlier, you know it

571
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Speaker 3: has an awful lot of volatility because there's a lot

572
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: of guys have big names but don't necessarily play a

573
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: lot of press or can't catch the ball quite as

574
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Speaker 3: well as you expect of an early NFL draft. Kick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so McMillen was tracked for seven drops this year,

576
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: rob which you know, a lot of targets, not a

577
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: huge number, but more than you want only to the

578
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: previous year, So more targets, obviously, more opportunities, a couple

579
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Speaker 2: more jobs this year, so some definitely to keep an

580
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Speaker 2: eye on with him as we move forward, as we

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Speaker 2: All right, tight end you already mentioned Tyler Warren, and

587
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: I was really mad this. Daniel Jeremiah tweeted this the

588
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: other day, and I had watched both Warren and Lovel

589
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: and I did my final look at all their targets

590
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: and stuff last week and I kind of sat there.

591
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, these guys are gonna be listed in the

592
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 2: same position group, but they really are different players. They

593
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: play the position a completely different way. And the way

594
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: Jeremiah put it on Twitter was, I'm gonna have a

595
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: Gronk bucket of tight ends and a Kelsey bucket of

596
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: tight ends, and Loveland's a Kelsey this is my word's

597
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: not his, and Warren's a Gronk, right, And you know,

598
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: I could compare Loveland a lot to Dalton Kincaid, who

599
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: came out a couple of years ago. I went to

600
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Speaker 2: the build, Right, They're similar players with the way they play,

601
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: body type, the way they move, and I love Dalton

602
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: and Kid, but they really are different types of players

603
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: with how they're used, how.

604
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: They're going to be used, even though they're both listed

605
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: a tight end.

606
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that to me is one of the roast

607
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: storylines of this draft pass. There's an awful lot of

608
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: players who are kind of in that Travis Kelsey, Mold

609
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: and a lot of others are in that kind of

610
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: gronk bold and so to me, again, that is kind

611
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: of fascinating. And I think that the Tyler Warren just

612
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: the body control. I think that in the way that

613
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: that projects to today's NFL, I think you were going

614
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: to see a guy that is going to just give

615
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: you more bang for your buck. Frankly, if if you

616
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 3: are an offense, as I expect most NFL teams are

617
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: going to be, that want a guy who's going to

618
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: be a seam stretcher, who is going to be able

619
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Speaker 3: to break away from people. You know, at the flip side,

620
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Speaker 3: you see have a guy that is able to actually

621
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Speaker 3: move people at the line of scrimmage the way the

622
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: coast leveland was able to do, you know that what

623
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Speaker 3: he was brought into Michigan to do. From Jim Barbara regionally,

624
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: of course, I think that that there is certainly a

625
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: place for those guys, and especially considering how the Super

626
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: Bowl went again, I think there's gonna be a refocus

627
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: on physicality. Well, I'll tell you a player that you know,

628
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: kind of going back to that Tyler Warren conversation, a

629
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Speaker 3: couple of guys that really jump out at me if

630
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Speaker 3: you're not willing to, you know, to to invest the

631
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Speaker 3: number ten overall or something earlier than that kind of

632
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: a selection in a tight end around to the top

633
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Speaker 3: to the second round, maybe a Mason Taylor from LSU

634
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: or a heck Way in to day two, maybe even

635
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: day three. Ronde Gads and junior that you know from Syracuse.

636
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: Of course you're going to know you and a lot

637
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: of your listeners and viewers are going to know him

638
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: very well. Just the upside that he should, I mean,

639
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: his very first full season at the tight end position

640
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: explodes for the seven touchdowns this past season for Syracuse. Again,

641
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: just the body control, the ability to high point passes.

642
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: They were receivers in this class. They don't catch the

643
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: ball as fluidly as Aronda gads and at the tight

644
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: end position does so to me, those are some of

645
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: the players that, to your point, Nick tied end much

646
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: more of a diverse position of group than we've ever

647
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Speaker 3: seen in the past.

648
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Elijah Royal another guy that's in that you know

649
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: Pelsey group. He was awesome at the Senior Bowl. Nobody

650
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: could cover him. I like Terrence Ferguson out of Oregon.

651
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: I think he was a pretty good player too. Gunner Helm,

652
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: who was supposed to be the Senior Bowl didn't end

653
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 2: up going. I think he's a good receiver, so you're right.

654
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: And then you have other guys trying to think those

655
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: a couple of blockers too that are in the other

656
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: category that we're down there, So a lot of guys

657
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: to choose from. Again, running back and tight end have

658
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: been positions. And we'll get the defensive tackle in the second,

659
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: which is another that we've been pretty shallow at over

660
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: the last few years, and I think we're finally starting

661
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: to beep up at those spots this season. All right,

662
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: let's go to the defensive side of the ball here, Rob,

663
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: let's go up for Let's start the defensive tackles.

664
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Speaker 1: I mentioned it.

665
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: This is a position that I think has been really

666
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: tough to find good players of the last two or

667
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: three years. But boy, there are a lot of good

668
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: defensive tackles and team's gonna have plenty of different types

669
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: to choose from. Again, some smaller guys that are good,

670
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: and then some guys bring a little bit more beef.

671
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: There's some guys that bring a lot of beef in

672
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: this draft class. And look, I kind of mentioned this

673
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier. To me, one of the most

674
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: remarkable athletic achievements I've ever seen at the combine was

675
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: back in twenty nineteen when I saw Dexter Lawrence put

676
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: thirty six repetitions with thirty four and three quarter inch arms. Look,

677
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: there's guys who have put the bar up more often

678
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: than Dexter Lawrence did, but didn't have the arm length.

679
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: And it's just simple physics if you've got short arms.

680
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: Believe me, I got an a in in Pe all

681
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: those years ago because I had short arms and I

682
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: was able to put up the bench press a little

683
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: bit more often than one of our so called elite

684
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: athletes at that level. I was feeling pretty strong and

685
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: confident in myself, but once I started to understand the

686
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: physics aspect of it, then I recognize that this is

687
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: a much more powerful young man than I ever dreamt

688
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: of being. Well, I mentioned the Dexter Lawrence numbers because

689
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: again I think that that is of the most unbelievable

690
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: athletic You know, opportunities that I've ever seen from any

691
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: athlete would be forty yard dash times you know, or

692
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: anything else and so on. We can There's a couple

693
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: of guys here that maybe aren't going to be quite

694
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: as powerful as exter Lawrence. But I'm fascinated to see

695
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: with Kennethy Grant, for example, the big defensive tackle at Michigan.

696
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: He's six foot four, three hundred and forty two pounds.

697
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: Is that's what he was listed at knock at the

698
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: East West Shrine Bowl. I'm curious to see if he

699
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: does wind up running as fast as some are saying

700
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: under five seconds, if he puts up the thirty five

701
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: plus inch reps in the in the in the bench press.

702
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: To me, those are numbers that are very much as

703
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: impressive as say the forty yard dash times, the vertical

704
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: jumps everybody, all the numbers that get people excited. I'm

705
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: fascinated to see. On switching over to like some of

706
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: the edge rushers. What are James Peters from Tennessee the

707
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: fact that he started off each last two seasons not

708
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: quite as product as perhaps hoped considering his explosiveness, but

709
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: the fact that he edited both seasons very very hot

710
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: going up against SEC competition. If he winds up running,

711
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: you know, running the four fives at you know, six

712
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: foot four, two hundred and fifty pounds. To me, that

713
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: is a guy that is absolutely going to skyrocked up

714
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: the boards. And I think in terms of, like if

715
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: you're going to be evaluating players and how you're going

716
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: to kind of stack this board some of the bigger

717
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: by defensive ends and Nick Scorton from Texas A and

718
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: M and Jack Sawyer from Ohio stammy his team, Yes exactly,

719
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: JTT from Ohio State as well. Shimoar Stewart to me,

720
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: is going to be one of the guys who's going

721
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: to be I should have mentioned him before. As far

722
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: as the guys I'm most excited about. For the combine

723
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: his size and speed, I mean it's off the charts.

724
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: Is he as good of a football player as he's

725
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: an athlete? That of course is one of the bigger

726
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: questions of this draft class.

727
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. I'm with you.

728
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what Dion Walker looks like. And

729
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: he's so physically gifted, you know, doing myself scouting last summer,

730
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: Rob I thought.

731
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: He could be a top ten pick.

732
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: That's how good I thought he looked in twenty twenty three,

733
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: and then I watched him in twenty twenty four. A

734
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: month ago, I started going through the Dean Walker tab

735
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what happened to this guy? He looks

736
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: like a different player, and we know he's huge, we

737
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: know he's an athlete. I'm curious to see, not necessarily

738
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: what he's going to weigh, because he wait around three

739
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: forty at the Senior Bowl, and I think that's what

740
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: we all kind of expect him to come in at,

741
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: which is fine, But what does his body look like?

742
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: Right?

743
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: Like?

744
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Does it a solid three forty?

745
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: Like when Dexter Lawrence walked into the Giants FACILDI at

746
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: three forty, It's like that man's not fat, Like he's

747
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: just gigantic. Like is Dean Walker gonna be three forty

748
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: and look good? Or is he gonna be three forty

749
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: and looks sloppy? Right, That's one of the guys I'm

750
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: kind of thinking about. And then for the smaller guys

751
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: like Walter Nolan, like TJ. Sanders, they're two hundred eighty

752
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: five pound defensive tackles. Right, we know they're going to

753
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: test well, but I think teams want to see those

754
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: guys test exceptionally.

755
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: If you're only two hundred and eighty five pounds.

756
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: You better be a really good athlete if you're gonna

757
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: play three technique at that size.

758
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point, and I think of the two Walton

759
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: Nolan is much more likely to do that. I mean

760
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: on tape, I see a guy who has such a

761
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: great which to me that he is, I expect him

762
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: to run in four A five, four nine, which is,

763
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: you know, spectacular numbers for a defensive tackle. And again

764
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: the three code and the short shuttle really show off

765
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: the change of direction, the explosivens, the vertical jump, those

766
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: types of things that demonstrate that explosives. I expect to

767
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: see that based on Walton Nolan's tape with Sanders, to me,

768
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: is a very good football player. I think his power,

769
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: I think he's actually more of a power guy than

770
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: just a quick guy. And so I'm intrigued to see

771
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: what he does. I'm not expecting as explosive in numbers

772
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 3: of him, but again, he's one of those that I'm

773
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: gonna kind of chuckle to myself if he doesn't produce

774
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: as well as expected, winds up falling a little bit

775
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: down the board. I think some lucky NFL team is

776
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 3: going to find him maybe in the second third round,

777
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: and find you a decade long starter in the league.

778
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think guy's gonna get pushed down at

779
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: these spots, right, be Au, is the edge and defensive

780
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: tackle glasses are so deep? Who are your some of

781
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: your favorite Round two, round three, maybe even start a

782
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: round four guys that you think could slip through the

783
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: cracks that could.

784
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: Give teams really good value a little bit later on

785
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: in the draft.

786
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: Well, and when you talked about one of them in Sanders,

787
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: TJ senters to me, is one of those guys that

788
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: I really like on tape. I think that he's got

789
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: untapped potential to him. I'm mentioning another guy that I

790
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: don't think is going to work out very well, but

791
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 3: I just love his tape, and that's Nebraska's Ty Robinson.

792
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: And he was a guy that you could play defensive tackle,

793
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: he could play outside defensive endy based on if you

794
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: want to do even or odd front. I love the

795
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 3: fact that he gets his hands up, you know when

796
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: when the quarterback is trying to throw the ball. He

797
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 3: doesn't have as long as arms as I was expecting.

798
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: I'll spect them out of thirty four plus h arms

799
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: he's got like thirty two and a half, but twelve

800
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: pass has broken up over his career. I mean, there's

801
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: a lot of guys who are six foot seven have

802
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: thirty six inch arms that just hand find the football

803
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: and sporting store. Ty Robinson does get those passes, bat

804
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 3: it up and create some interception opportunities for his teammates.

805
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: And then another guy, Boise states Ahmad hustling to me

806
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: is one of the most fascinating storylines of this entire.

807
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: Drought conversation with him at the Shrian Bull rob what

808
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: an unbelievable kid.

809
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: He's just a great exactly. So you're rooting for him

810
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: from a human perspective, and then you watch the athlete

811
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: and what he has made of himself. Well, look, he's

812
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: one of those guys I don't think has necessarily the

813
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: highest upsides. Think he's already works for dog hard to

814
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: achieve what he is. He just feels like a guy

815
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: that is going to just, you know, we use this

816
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: expression all the time, just break through a Brooke wall

817
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: for you. He is the guy that will break through

818
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: that Brooke wall for you and then rebuild it back

819
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: up if that's what his coach wants him. To do.

820
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: And I think that that's the kind of guys that

821
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: you can win with in the league.

822
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

823
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

824
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

825
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: to Citizens.

826
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: Hey, I can also talk. I don't care.

827
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: I'd like to learn about Ameliar team.

828
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help makes sense of your

829
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: money with Citizens. All right? Off ball?

830
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: Linebackers, Rob, just anyone that you were looking forward to

831
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: seeing them test. I think testing for that position is hard.

832
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: I think so much of what makes a good middle

833
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: linebacker and Mike linebacker is how they see the game

834
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: and how quickly they react and read things which you

835
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: can't see on the field at a training event like

836
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: the combine.

837
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: But any guys that you kind.

838
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: Of like in that spot top of the draft, by

839
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: back of the draft, anywhere you like that you think

840
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: a guy that you think maybe could perform really well

841
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: and help themselves.

842
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: Well, it's to me, it's kind of like the running

843
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: back position. There's Aston Jens and then there's a lot

844
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: of guys think are really good but are definitely a

845
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: step below. For me, that really good players. Jeral Walker

846
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: from Georgia. I love the versatility he showed playing off ball,

847
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: playing as an edge rusher, just explosive this. I think

848
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: that's gonna he's gonna test well. I don't think Jahad

849
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: Campbell from Alabama is also going to test exceptionally well.

850
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I personally don't believe that he

851
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: is as good of a player, at least not right now,

852
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 3: as he is an athlete. Carson Schwessinger from UCLA, to me,

853
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: is one of those guys that is a better player

854
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 3: than he is an athlete. I'm curious to see what

855
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: he runs, but he is one of those guys that

856
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: he almost closes his eyes and can locate the football.

857
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: You watch his UCLA tape, and before the ball is

858
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: even snapped, he's already running towards where the running back

859
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: or quarterback was going to go. And so, to me, again,

860
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: this is not a linebacker class I'm in love with.

861
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: I think that there are some exceptional athletes. I think

862
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: there's some pretty darn good football players as well, and

863
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: so to me, those are the three guys that I

864
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 3: am very much going to keep an eye on when

865
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: we see the workouts for linebackers.

866
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: Now, do you think a team when they draft Jillen Walker,

867
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: because I think this is interesting, are going to see

868
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: him as an edge and a pass rusher or is

869
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: it an early down off ball guy and then a

870
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: pass rusher on third down? I think his usage because

871
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: you're right, he's shown in college he can do it all,

872
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: which is great. But where do you think he's going

873
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: to get used in the NFL? On how is a

874
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: team going to envision using him when they pick him?

875
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: Likely in the top ten.

876
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is I do think that when

877
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: you select a player that's high, then you want to

878
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: just have the comfort of saying, well, this is our

879
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: starting miner linebacker for the next ten years, or this

880
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: is our starring edge of runch tenures.

881
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: And that's Isaiah Simmons, right, great athlete, top ten pick,

882
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: But what do you do with the guy?

883
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? And that's a that's a really good point. And

884
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: that's one that I think that sometimes that we need

885
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: to be reminded of the bus who are such spectacular athletes.

886
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: I'll say this, and I was an Isaiah Simmons fan.

887
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: I'll call myself off because because Simmons has not lived

888
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: up to to you know, all the expectations. I see

889
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: a different level of physicality with General Walker than I

890
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: soauth Isaiah Simmons. I saw more versatility, you know, better

891
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: in space, better catching the ball as an interceptor and

892
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: things like that with Isaiah Simmons. I'm still disappointed that

893
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 3: Isaiah Simmons or Aaron Curry, if we have a way back,

894
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: you know, guys that were such dynamic athletes that had

895
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: a trout record or just being spectacular, you know, turnover magnets.

896
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: Jami Walker hasn't been that turnover magnet, but he just

897
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 3: plays with a different level of physicality than some of

898
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 3: the players that we just mentioned. So that's why I

899
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: feel confident that he is going to wind up probably

900
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: be in top ten selection or at least top of

901
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: the first round. Kind of first round kind of a guy.

902
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: And I do think that ultimately he is going to

903
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: play a majority of the snaps to the ball linebacker,

904
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: but as we know in today's NFL, that means you

905
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: sometimes have to blitz. And I think that his ability,

906
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: his berth, his band off the edge just gives his

907
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator that much more flexibility.

908
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, all right, let's go to the

909
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: defensive backfield. Hill, Rob, I don't think this is a

910
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: strength of this year's draft Glass necessarily. We talked about,

911
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, three of the top four or five corners

912
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: in this draft are all dealing with injuries. Who are

913
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: some of the guys that you think and look, we

914
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: know corners, and you know everyone overrates the forty yard dash.

915
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an overrated number for cornerbacks. You

916
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: need these guys to be able to run. Who do

917
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: you think could surprise people maybe with some of their

918
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: running and who are you kind of wondering how fast

919
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: they might be when they finally line up and run

920
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: that forty yard dash?

921
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: Well, you know, again, I think this is a fairly

922
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: top eddy group. I'm a huge, huge fan of a

923
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: Travis Hunder for example. I think that you know, when

924
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: you look at some of the other corners in this

925
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: class that you know have been kind of bruised up

926
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: a little bit because they've they've gone down through injuries,

927
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: whether it be Savonne Ravel, whether it be a Benjamin

928
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: Morrison from Notre Game, you know that the people are

929
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: certain to kind of slide off of them. And I

930
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: don't think that they should. I think you go back

931
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: to the tape, you definitely see some some inconsistencies, but

932
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: I think that some of that is coachable. And of

933
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: course those clouds are not likely to be able to

934
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: run in forty our dash events, but I'm curious to

935
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: kind of see if they are healthy enough for the

936
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: pro days, but they might be able to do. A

937
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: couple of guys that I think are you know, I'm

938
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: higher on than most seemed to be. I think our

939
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 3: quality middle round prospects. Denzel brook from Ohio State. Look,

940
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: he's been beaten, but same time, when you've started for

941
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 3: four years against Ohio State, when every day and practice

942
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: you're going in against the guy's like me Buca or

943
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 3: you know, a Jeremiah Smith, then I think that the

944
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: practice is almost more challenging than the actual games themselves.

945
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: So to me, he is one of the more battle

946
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: tested and sure fire NFL contributors, if not an upline starter,

947
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: but quality player. To mean, Denzel Brok is one of

948
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 3: those guys. Dorian Strong for a Genia Tech would be

949
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: another one that I kind of lives. If there's name

950
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: at times, I mean, this is physicality. I'm fascinate to

951
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: see how each of those two guys wind up working

952
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: out if they run in the low four to four says,

953
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: you know there are four or five star status indicated

954
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: years ago that they would if you think you could

955
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: see those guys both kind of start to make a

956
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: significant as sent up draft wards. Just to begin a

957
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: little bit closer.

958
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: To April, do you think Will Johnson will run a

959
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: forty yard dash before the combine before the draft?

960
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: Part of me, I certainly hope. So he was one

961
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: of the players that I was going to mention a

962
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: moment ago. Again, I just I several Johnson two years

963
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: ago as being one of the absolutely lead players in

964
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: the entire country, and then early this year before the injuries.

965
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: You know, of course he was beaten at times, and

966
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: so to me, we'll still go back to the player.

967
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: I believe that he was on tape, and so I

968
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: think that he is a top ten selection all day long,

969
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: and I hope that he winds up working out. It's

970
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: kind of proving that to be true. But if he

971
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: does run, and he runs even a little bit slower

972
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: time than people are thinking low four fives, I still

973
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: would be happy about that, just because I love the

974
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: way that he comes up and runs support. I like

975
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: his instincts, and I do think that he is a

976
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: guy that you know, I've had scouts tell me that

977
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: he basically is the same thing as what they saw

978
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: with Patrick Chatan the second. You know in Alabama years

979
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: ago as a guy came in as a freshman going

980
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: HEA's that league competition, was one of the best players

981
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: on the field, and then Scott Board at the college

982
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: level as his college career went on. I think that

983
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: Will Johnson's absolute superstar.

984
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, there we go, strong words. I like it.

985
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 2: Safety another spot rob where I don't take testing that seriously.

986
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: We've seen a bunch of four six safeties end up being,

987
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: you know, really really good players when they get to

988
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: the National Football League. What do you keep an eye

989
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: when it comes to safeties and what players are you

990
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: watching as we hit in the next week.

991
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: You know, to me, safety is one of the most

992
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: fascinating positional groups of this year's class. You know, I'm

993
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: a big fan of Malkie Starks. But to your point

994
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 3: before we're talking about I think it was the Arizona

995
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: wide receiver Teed mcmailand seemed like he got better as

996
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: the year went on. Malkiy Starks was kind of the

997
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: exact opposite. That he played very well earnedly in certainly

998
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, and then his play stars drop.

999
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: I'm going to butcher his name, so I'm just gonna

1000
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: say the South Carolina safety. But to me, he is

1001
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: again another guy who is just a dynamic athlete. You've

1002
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: really got to be intrigued by him. Wants a Notre game.

1003
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: To me, is a guy that gets it off lot

1004
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: of buzz and no question that his ball skills are

1005
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: a big part of that instinct, the just the playmaking ability.

1006
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: But there were awful lot of play plays that basically

1007
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: the ball almost like by divine intervention and it's Notre dame,

1008
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: you know, that kind of fell into his hands. And

1009
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: so he is a player that I really don't care

1010
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: how well he works out. I mean, it's definitely going

1011
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: to play some role in this. But I see a

1012
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 3: guy who's a better football player than he is an athlete.

1013
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: Maybe he's going to change my opinion of that, but

1014
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 3: I also see a guy that again was pretty fortunate

1015
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: in how the ball bounced for him. So to me,

1016
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: this is a safety class. I'm kind of curious to

1017
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: see how it all works out, and then watch a

1018
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: lot more tape on these guys, just because I see

1019
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that are kind of living off

1020
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 3: of the some of the production either defensive line ahead

1021
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: of him in the cornerbacks in the case of Notre Dame.

1022
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: Maybe that helped make things a little bit easier for

1023
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: them to create some big plays.

1024
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: Now you're big on the small school guys.

1025
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: Who are some of the guys you're excited to see, uh,

1026
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 2: you know, show what they can do and that Look,

1027
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: I was productive in the FCS Division two whatever, but

1028
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: I an athlete just like the rest of these Power

1029
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: five guys are.

1030
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple of guys. I mean, certainly when

1031
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: we go out west. You know I talked about before,

1032
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: you know, with how you manor the wide receiver from

1033
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: Stanford and you know, but let's go seeven small mean

1034
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: Mountain West School, so Jan Royals from Utah State. I

1035
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: just think the dynamic athlete Tory Horton from Colorado State,

1036
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: similar kind of thing. Dynamic athletes, the wide receiver position

1037
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: we talked about before that this is a positional group

1038
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: that is pretty you know, very up and down. And

1039
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a lot of disparity

1040
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: between different INFL teams. So those are guys that jump

1041
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: out to me. You know, I always kind of go

1042
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: back to the offensive lineman to mean that that's some

1043
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: of the guys that that you can find a guy

1044
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: who played at the small school level and then why's

1045
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: going to Senior Bowl or whatever. You can see that

1046
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: they can live up to to all this hype and

1047
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: really compete against the big boys. I think I think

1048
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: that a couple of years with Quinn minors, you know,

1049
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: Wisconsin Whitewater for example. To me, my small school guys

1050
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: is a couple of them. Jackson Slater Sacramento State, the

1051
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: interior offensive lineman, and then Charles Grant, the off the

1052
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: tackle from William and Mary. I had scouts that went

1053
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: through Arkansas Pine Bluff and saw arms on Arms State

1054
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: that you know, be a terrific athlete even before here's

1055
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: a terrific left tackle. And they think that Charles Grant

1056
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: is going to wind up posting numbers like that and

1057
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: that guys that that's crazy talk. I mean, I don't

1058
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: think he's gonna run in the four sevens the way

1059
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: that Arms that did all those years ago. But I

1060
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: do think that Charles Grant is an athlete that is

1061
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: going to be able to show in workouts that he

1062
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: is an NFL caliber guy.

1063
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: All right, finally, give me some of your pet cats,

1064
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: maybe guys that you've kind of come across that fans

1065
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: maybe haven't heard of that you think it would be

1066
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: real sleepers in the draft.

1067
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: Well, a couple of different guys. Again. I managed the

1068
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: wide receiver for Sanford, the guy I keep talking about

1069
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: because I do think that he is going to impress

1070
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: some people and wind up being not drafted earlier, but

1071
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 3: a better NFL player than people aren't expecting. Sadian Williams.

1072
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: I mentioned Jack Besh, the wide receiver from TCU. Savian

1073
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: Williams has some of the most dynamic plays on tape

1074
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: that you're going to see. For people who like to

1075
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: say at Laviscus Channault in the past, the guy could

1076
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: play a wide receiver, you can play tight end, you

1077
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: can play running back, you play kick returner. That to me,

1078
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: Sadiel Williams can do that kind of thing. He's just

1079
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: a unique athlete and so again a guy that I

1080
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: think that a very creative offensive mind, like a Brian

1081
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: Dable for example, might be able to take full advantage

1082
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Speaker 3: of that. I think this is a running back class.

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Speaker 3: You're going to see some big name players that they

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Speaker 3: may fall down the board. They have to be from

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Speaker 3: guys from D two D three schools, you know, for

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Speaker 3: me Ba Sho Tooton for example, for Virginia Tech. I

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Speaker 3: think it's gonna absolutely light up the track in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 3: Devin Neil from Kansas. Similarly, Woody Marx from USC previously

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Speaker 3: was a South Carolina I don't know they necessarily it's

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Speaker 3: going to be the most dynamic athlete, but my goodness,

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Speaker 3: the guy catches the ball out of the back that

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Speaker 3: he runs hard inside as well as it has to

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Speaker 3: speed the bounds outside. I think those are some guys

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Speaker 3: that all of them are likely to be drafted on

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Speaker 3: Day three, that I think are going to be future

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Speaker 3: significant NFL contributors.

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Speaker 1: Rob tell the folks who think you'll find all your great.

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Speaker 3: Work, well, do a lot of work for Fox Sports,

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Speaker 3: of course, just doing NFL draft analysis for them, you know,

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Speaker 3: and we'll be going down with the positional group every

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Speaker 3: do some some work with locked on Seahawks. Actually a

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Speaker 3: listen if you like. The Golden Notes. For myself, what

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Speaker 3: do you.

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Speaker 1: Think the Seahawks are doing in the first round offensive line?

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Speaker 3: That's what I think if they want you to do.

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Speaker 3: When you consider the fact that they have made now

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Speaker 3: seven selections the last three years along the offensive line,

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Speaker 3: they now have in wow seven seven three tackles, three

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Speaker 3: guards in the center, and so the fact that they

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Speaker 3: have have brought in so many new offensive line coach,

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, running game coordinator. They didn't have a running

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Speaker 3: game coordinator a year ago, and the results speak for themselves.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that they are instead the zigging

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Speaker 3: where everybody expects them a zig the intergren and zag.

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Speaker 3: I think they're gonna take advantage of the defensive line

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Speaker 3: talent in this class, and I know that they took

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Speaker 3: a defensive tackle a year ago. Of course they got

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Speaker 3: Leonard Williams, they took last year, took bibro Mon through

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Speaker 3: the second I think that this is a team that

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Speaker 3: defensive line, and in their offensive line, they're basically gonna

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Speaker 3: try and coach them up rather than scout them up

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Speaker 3: to try to give them the Gino Smith. Give Geno

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Speaker 3: Smith and that running game a little bit more protection.

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Speaker 1: Rob, always a pleasure, my friend, and enjoy the rest

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Speaker 1: of the draft process. Have fun. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Sounds great, John, Thanks for having me as always.

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Speaker 1: Rob Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Go to Fox sports dot com find is great draft

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Speaker 2: cover John, John Smelk. That's the Giants Total Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,