Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello. We're gonna Jancinity record on my
Speaker 1: phone because there's no cameras, there's no stupid man box,
Speaker 1: there's no nothing. I'm assuming that this is recording. So
Speaker 1: welcome to bull Chat. Today is Wednesday, January eleventh. I'm
Speaker 1: Scotty Be and I'm here with Danielle Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm not Andrew.
Speaker 1: Well Andrew, it just has been Mia.
Speaker 2: But he's he's gotten this new important position. So I
Speaker 2: feel like he's so busy. Now.
Speaker 1: Well, I said to him, I said, so remember that
Speaker 1: time when we had a podcast. Yeah, And he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit busy, And look, I totally get it,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's neglecting his bread and butter.
Speaker 2: I don't. Can you guys not schedule a certain time
Speaker 2: of the weekend day to make sure that is set
Speaker 2: in stone and then you know you're going to record.
Speaker 1: Then well, I mean lately I've been saying, hey, man,
Speaker 1: can we do tomorrow right? Ten?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yep? And then hey Andrew today ten? Right? Oh, I
Speaker 1: have a meeting it and you know he's just he's
Speaker 1: having a he's having a thing with his scheduling. He
Speaker 1: needs to get better at that. Yeah, But look, I'm
Speaker 1: very I love Andrew. I'm very proud of Andrew. Of
Speaker 1: course he's doing a lot of work now.
Speaker 2: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: He does get a lot more done now that he's
Speaker 1: not in the studio with me. There are pros and
Speaker 1: cons to that. I do like the fact that I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of can concentrate on things and it's not
Speaker 1: a cavalcade a parade of people in here.
Speaker 2: You do like that. But you did have some guests today,
Speaker 2: didn't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people were stopping by, which is fine. I like
Speaker 1: visits from time to time.
Speaker 2: But you know, nothing crazy.
Speaker 1: No, So this is actually our first Bowl chat of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: I'm so honored that I'm here.
Speaker 1: Yes, because Andrew blew off the last two.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this is the first bull Chat of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, what's today's date?
Speaker 1: Today is January eleventh, ok So maybe it's this. It
Speaker 1: would have been the second one because last week would
Speaker 1: have been the first one. Yeah, we missed the first
Speaker 1: one last week, so this is this would have been
Speaker 1: the whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And I know Nate did Serial Carrier Killer the other day, Yeah,
Speaker 2: on Monday, So I don't get to eat today, is
Speaker 2: what you're.
Speaker 1: Telling you no, I'm sorry. I mean I don't. I
Speaker 1: guess I could see. And I have a really cool
Speaker 1: cereal that I think you would like to so maybe
Speaker 1: you come back for serial Killer.
Speaker 2: Well why can't we.
Speaker 1: Just do like a little bonus cereal in bull chat
Speaker 1: because then it kind of wastes an episode? Why because
Speaker 1: it's a brand new cereal that I really over here? No,
Speaker 1: that's garbage. That's filler.
Speaker 2: How was this one?
Speaker 1: I haven't done opened it yet. That's from legal. It's
Speaker 1: just filler cereal.
Speaker 2: That's just because I won't say what it is.
Speaker 1: You got to understand, because you know, new cereals are
Speaker 1: a plenty. I mean they just keep coming. But the
Speaker 1: classic cereals, as we call it, we've classic all of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean so then I'll have to come back.
Speaker 1: Now it's just like store brands and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: as the other cereals. And underneath that cereal is a
Speaker 1: Beavis and butt Heead calendar that My daughter Cooper was
Speaker 1: so excited she saw it in the mall. She's like,
Speaker 1: Dad likes those guys and bought it for me.
Speaker 2: He's so cute.
Speaker 1: First of all, am I allowed to hang anything up
Speaker 1: in the sterile look look behind.
Speaker 2: Us, I know. Well, here's you know what I did.
Speaker 2: So I brought a picture of Sheldon and I, my
Speaker 2: husband and I when we first started dating. That I've
Speaker 2: always had on my desk since I started, you know,
Speaker 2: since I've been at the station. Really so yeah, and
Speaker 2: we're by Tower Bridge in the UK. So I have
Speaker 2: that picture and I said, okay, let's see how this
Speaker 2: picture does. So I left that on the desk. So
Speaker 2: far it's been almost a week. It's not okay. So
Speaker 2: I'm bringing pictures of my kids tomorrow. I'm going to
Speaker 2: put those on the desk and see how that does.
Speaker 2: I think it's just little by little and see what happens.
Speaker 1: I have the frame pictures of the kids in the
Speaker 1: car too, and I'm about to I'm going to bring
Speaker 1: it up your pills tomorrow. But what I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to do is, as you can see, I'm slowly
Speaker 1: but surely allowing cereal boxes to sit around. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think there might be some shelving behind me at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna have to for what you do.
Speaker 1: Well, I could pile them underneath.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really does look like it looks like
Speaker 2: we work in a hospital.
Speaker 1: Now. Did they ever say that we cannot put anything
Speaker 1: up anywhere?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's just has to have
Speaker 2: a certain look. I think it just has to be
Speaker 2: a classy look, a certain aesthetic. They don't want, like,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't want crap hanging around crap. I mean,
Speaker 2: and you use it for what you do for a living,
Speaker 2: so they might be okay with it.
Speaker 1: Don't they know that this is not a classy career.
Speaker 1: Do you see the stuffed animals like flipped upside down
Speaker 1: every day?
Speaker 2: Those stuffed animals are having different sexual experience.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't care.
Speaker 2: What if what if you put like a cabinet and
Speaker 2: you hid the boxes in a cabinet, like you got
Speaker 2: a big Ikea cabinet or something, and you so they
Speaker 2: close and nobody saw them. I think that would be good.
Speaker 1: I have to see what's allowed. And I also know
Speaker 1: that at this point they're not buying anything else for
Speaker 1: these studios.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like either bring it yourself or whatever
Speaker 1: we have make it work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like also, you don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of room for stuff back here, like an Ikea. You
Speaker 2: have to be very thin.
Speaker 1: There's definitely a cereal box length worth back there.
Speaker 2: And you're not gonna be able to move, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: They'll deter more people from coming in. So anyway, these
Speaker 1: studios are starting to grow on me.
Speaker 2: I like them.
Speaker 1: The first week, I was like, no, screw this place.
Speaker 2: It is here. It's like so weird. It's just like
Speaker 2: it's so silent.
Speaker 1: It's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very different.
Speaker 1: It is very different, but I am I'm starting to
Speaker 1: like at the commute, I will never like.
Speaker 2: No, but how much of a different is it better
Speaker 2: for you or worse for you? Are the same?
Speaker 1: It's it's about the same. Coming in travel time. However,
Speaker 1: now the garage here, I have to get to the garage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes the guy's there, sometimes he's not, so I may
Speaker 1: have to wait a minute or to pop out from
Speaker 1: wherever he is, and then he has to put the
Speaker 1: plate number in even though he knows who I am.
Speaker 1: Now at the point the ticket has to print out
Speaker 1: with coming back twelve o'clock every day, I wish.
Speaker 2: They had like because I love the garage I'm parking in,
Speaker 2: but I wish they had like a monthly pass that
Speaker 2: they just give you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old place did.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, that's exactly the old place did. Because
Speaker 2: here same thing. Every morning he prints out the ticket,
Speaker 2: what time are you leaving? And that's fine, and at
Speaker 2: the time we come in, it's not a problem. But
Speaker 2: like you said, when you leave, sometimes you're waiting and
Speaker 2: you you know.
Speaker 1: They I don't care about that. It's it's coming in
Speaker 1: because that adds an extra five tenants. And you know
Speaker 1: where I need to be at five oh one, I know,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I have to That adds another five minutes.
Speaker 1: So it gives me five less minutes on the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is you know, that's my relax.
Speaker 2: I'm the real bowl. Yeah, not the cereal.
Speaker 1: Exactly, that's my relaxation time. I need, believe, I need
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes in there. Okay, I know that may seem
Speaker 1: like a long time to some people, but I need
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes in there.
Speaker 2: Wow, fifteen Yeah. I'm not regular like that, man. I
Speaker 2: am just like sporadic. I am not. There's no time
Speaker 2: that you'll find me in the bathroom. The only thing
Speaker 2: is when I drink a lot of water, I'm in
Speaker 2: the bathroom constantly.
Speaker 1: Do you know that I've been getting up now I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if like it's an old man thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not an old man. But I now get up
Speaker 1: at least two times in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: at least twice. I asked my doctor though, and he
Speaker 1: gave me the finger test, and he said, everything's over.
Speaker 2: That's good. I'm glad you got the finger test.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Seem with me, it's like, Okay, my body clock is
Speaker 2: still no matter what, on this time when we get up,
Speaker 2: So no matter what, even when we're on vacation, my
Speaker 2: body will wake me up three thirty four am to
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I get up in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night about the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I can go back to sleep if it's a Sunday,
Speaker 1: Yeah sometimes.
Speaker 2: Usually, Oh I can sleep till nine ten. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: double digits, baby. Oh, I can go back to bed.
Speaker 2: What I'll do is I'll get up, I'll feed the cats,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, and then I'll go back in bed
Speaker 2: and I'll just kind of lounge around for a little
Speaker 2: bit of time.
Speaker 1: Sleeping in for me is seven and it's so nice.
Speaker 1: If I get to see till even seven thirty on
Speaker 1: a Sunday, that's a good.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? When you tell people, oh, seven is
Speaker 2: so late, they're.
Speaker 1: Like, what is?
Speaker 2: But it is?
Speaker 1: You know to me that it's weird. Like if I
Speaker 1: wake up at nine or ten o'clock, I feel like
Speaker 1: the day has been wasted. I know that's kind of
Speaker 1: strange to some people, but yeah, you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I get so much done early morning.
Speaker 2: I feel like my kids feel the same way. Like
Speaker 2: it it's pressed in. My youngest wakes up and he
Speaker 2: sees that it's like eight thirty nine o'clock. He gets
Speaker 2: so mad at himself. I wasted so much time. I
Speaker 2: can't sleep like this, I need to work out, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's true. I mean, one of these days
Speaker 1: may come we actually stop working on Saturday mornings, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I would like. Yeah, it'd be nice to have
Speaker 1: like a full weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Why do you still do it?
Speaker 1: It's a full union, full time behind the curtain time
Speaker 1: for me is six days. It's always been like that,
Speaker 1: and that's just the way the contract lies. Yeah, whatever, I.
Speaker 2: Used to do it. Remember I did pajama party years
Speaker 2: when I first started here. That's what I did. I
Speaker 2: did pajama party and it was like one am. I
Speaker 2: think I got off at two am on a Friday night. Am,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it was a Friday night. And
Speaker 2: then they moved it to prime time because it did
Speaker 2: so well. But we did that for weekends for years,
Speaker 2: and finally we decided, since when the show was still
Speaker 2: doing well, to bow out. We were like, let's go
Speaker 2: out while we're still on top. So that's what we did.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the morning show is still doing well.
Speaker 1: Maybe back in bow out of Saturdays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you can. Well you need to get somebody
Speaker 2: to replace you.
Speaker 1: Though, but that's the thing. Then I also lose that
Speaker 1: part of my salary.
Speaker 2: Is that a big chunk?
Speaker 1: It's a it's a shift, you know the shift shift here,
Speaker 1: So it's uh yeah, it would it would be recognizable
Speaker 1: and maybe not so anyway, what else is going on? Nothing?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for listening to you.
Speaker 2: Kids, just can bolt after ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Funny over the over the holidays, I didn't realize I'm
Speaker 1: not a football guy. I think you were football people
Speaker 1: in your house.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, football.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that basically anybody could have a bowl,
Speaker 1: Like there's what is that noise.
Speaker 2: That's my listen, Oh, that's my books.
Speaker 1: Like, there's there's so many bowl games, these college bowl games.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about anything. All I know is
Speaker 1: I was watching the Duke's Mayo Bowl, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: and I thought of you right away. And and and
Speaker 1: there was a I think a Chick fil A Bowl
Speaker 1: or something, but there was also a Kellogg's Frosted Flakes
Speaker 1: bawl Oh, that's the type of you. It was cool,
Speaker 1: and Tony the Tiger was running. But like, but I
Speaker 1: guess basically any company can sponsor a football game, a
Speaker 1: college football game, and call it a ball.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: And so they have all these different company bowls, which
Speaker 1: I thought was was really interesting.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, it was, And this is the time of
Speaker 2: year to do it, I guess, all the college games
Speaker 2: going on, all the craziness super Bowl on the way.
Speaker 2: Do you get into Super Bowl? You get into the food?
Speaker 1: No, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I will go to a party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always get invited to a Super Bowl park.
Speaker 1: I will go. And I it's funny because I actually
Speaker 1: I don't watch football ever, but I will watch the game.
Speaker 1: And I noticed that at Super Bowl parties everyone's just
Speaker 1: talking and making so much noise, and no one's really
Speaker 1: even watching the game. And I don't want to see.
Speaker 2: The commercial exactly. So sometimes I would rather not go
Speaker 2: to a party because I want to watch the commercials.
Speaker 2: I want to relax a little bit. I want. But
Speaker 2: you know what my husband does. He always does his
Speaker 2: big Super Bowl giveaway, yes, where he gives away the
Speaker 2: craziest like instead of money, he gives away crazy prizes,
Speaker 2: like a rubber chicken, or like a statue of a donkey,
Speaker 2: like the weirdest things. And people want to win these
Speaker 2: things and they pick boxes and the and it's all
Speaker 2: free and they pick boxes and then each you know,
Speaker 2: the four quarters, we do the big thing and we
Speaker 2: give away a lot of crap.
Speaker 1: So you guys are always sitting in streaming, usually during the.
Speaker 2: Super we always stream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna go to a party or not this year.
Speaker 1: We'll see, okay, yeah, But I mean, does a lot
Speaker 1: of that crap that he gives away come from your attic?
Speaker 2: Yes? A lot of the up stuff I got from here,
Speaker 2: from the radio station, or he'll buy every now and
Speaker 2: then I know, he bought I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was last year or the year before. We went to
Speaker 2: we went somewhere and he bought like a thing that
Speaker 2: holds you junk, your man junk, you know, your man junk.
Speaker 1: Stuff like underwear that holds you.
Speaker 2: But it's like a sack looking thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's weird. And he's gonna give that away unless he
Speaker 2: gave it away last year.
Speaker 1: You wear it, you can wear I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: you would have to help hold your jokes.
Speaker 2: It's like a little sexy thing. I think it's supports
Speaker 2: to be a joke.
Speaker 1: But he bought a British thing.
Speaker 2: I think, No, it's not. We actually bought it in uh,
Speaker 2: we bought it in Nashville. And he has a joke
Speaker 2: and he I don't know if he gave it away
Speaker 2: last year already, if.
Speaker 1: He has it for this elephant trunk underwear things.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's like a sack that you put
Speaker 2: your I don't.
Speaker 1: Know how to describe it.
Speaker 2: It's weird, all right, But yeah, and someone won like
Speaker 2: like a yeah Rubbert chair, you know, gets away crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: But we have fun.
Speaker 1: We have so much fun doing it, and you and
Speaker 1: I were talking about that if the day ever came
Speaker 1: where we had to move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have so much, oh you.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean I can't even imagine because you have
Speaker 1: you every you decorate for every holiday, hard core. Yes,
Speaker 1: so that stuff almost be like crazy up in your attic.
Speaker 2: And remember you and I just had this conversation. I said, Oh, tonight,
Speaker 2: we're going to take two hours. We're going to go
Speaker 2: through the attic and throw away and get rid of
Speaker 2: the Halloween decorations.
Speaker 1: Happen.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen. We got sidetracked and then we wanted
Speaker 2: to watch television and we didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time getting rid of things. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, you call me a hoarder if you want,
Speaker 1: But like I have boxes of stuff, and I think
Speaker 1: that it's all sentimental to me. Yea, And everyone's like,
Speaker 1: just take a picture of it and throw it away,
Speaker 1: But I don't. I feel like it's not the same thing.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, I like to go into
Speaker 1: the attic or into the basement and go through a
Speaker 1: box and look at things that remind me of of
Speaker 1: just good memories. Yeah what I mean, Like I have
Speaker 1: a box of stuff from high school, I have a
Speaker 1: box of stuff from my twenties.
Speaker 2: But I see, I think maybe that's fine, but I
Speaker 2: think that's where it should stop. A box. So like
Speaker 2: you have a small little box, you put the most
Speaker 2: important little trinkets in there, and that's your memory box,
Speaker 2: not like nine boxes of stuff like I have like
Speaker 2: twelve boxes of Halloween costumes. And Sheldon's like, you never
Speaker 2: repeat a Halloween costume, said, I know, but I like
Speaker 2: to take pieces and I like to and he goes,
Speaker 2: just buy it, so, you know, I just it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I want to get one of those big dumpsters and
Speaker 2: put it outside my house and just dump stuff in it.
Speaker 1: People are going to dive through that. About how about
Speaker 1: one box for each year you've been alive.
Speaker 2: That one box for each year you've been alive.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of boxes, you know. I guess
Speaker 2: you could have fifty boxes.
Speaker 1: It's weird. When I was when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, I remember, I would go into
Speaker 1: his room and he just had crap all over his
Speaker 1: walls and it was just it was a typical high
Speaker 1: school boys, yeah room, you know, with boob pictures and
Speaker 1: whatever all over the place. And I remember up around
Speaker 1: the like the molding where the ceiling met the wall.
Speaker 1: He had credit cards and it was all his dad's
Speaker 1: old credit cards for years, you know, they didn't work
Speaker 1: anymore years, And for whatever reason, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say that that inspired me, but I I have kept
Speaker 1: every single credit card that I've ever had. I use
Speaker 1: see it like nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: That's something that you should get rid of.
Speaker 1: You're right. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: There's no need to have that.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I feel like, but to me,
Speaker 1: I like, I have this big bag and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is my collection, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I think it don't feel good if you get rid
Speaker 2: of that collection.
Speaker 1: No, I'll no, because a week later I'll be like,
Speaker 1: damn it, I got rid of them.
Speaker 2: What do you need them for?
Speaker 1: Because I like to look at them.
Speaker 2: Something and put them in a frame and hang it somewhere.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like I every once in a while,
Speaker 1: I'll go through the bag and I'll look at it like, wow,
Speaker 1: TWA had a credit card and I had it.
Speaker 2: So take a picture, like they said, and make a
Speaker 2: favorites folder with old and call it credit cards.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's no need to have those. You can't use them, right,
Speaker 2: They're not going to do anything for you. You're just
Speaker 2: taking up space.
Speaker 1: Well, look at all the cereal boxes. I should have
Speaker 1: just thrown them out.
Speaker 2: But you could make something. I feel like you could make,
Speaker 2: like a really cool collage, framed collage.
Speaker 1: Oh they're so big, that's seven hundred of them.
Speaker 2: That's not what you do. You you cut out like
Speaker 2: certain pieces like see the little monkey from Chuckleshells. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you cut out the little monkey face, right, it's tiny.
Speaker 2: You put that in there. You don't keep the whole box.
Speaker 1: It's time for that.
Speaker 2: By the way, this sounds delicious.
Speaker 1: It sounds very crunchy. I can't wait, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's lots of stuff like that, like when when when look,
Speaker 1: there's some one of these days, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: clean it stuff out. Yeah, And it's very hard for
Speaker 1: me because even when I do clean things out, I
Speaker 1: have to look at every single thing before I get
Speaker 1: rid of it.
Speaker 2: Have you watched Hoarding Buried Alive? The only good thing
Speaker 2: about you, though, is you're kind of an organized hoarder.
Speaker 2: You like have everything neat and tidy, it's not like
Speaker 2: it's all over there.
Speaker 1: They're in boxing bins. I mean, they may or may
Speaker 1: not be labeled, but at least you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of know, I kind of know. Like if you said, hey,
Speaker 1: do you have that thing from when you lived in
Speaker 1: Iowa in nineteen ninety four from the Western Union, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, yep, and I know exactly what box is
Speaker 1: saying that.
Speaker 2: See, I don't know that that's different when you when
Speaker 2: we left the other radio station, how many boxes did
Speaker 2: you bring home with you?
Speaker 1: Bring home? Yeah? Like three or four? Okay, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they weren't big either. It was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: extra stuff, extra office supplies and stuff from my studio.
Speaker 2: I brought home. I think I got home three. One
Speaker 2: was a box of things. I definitely want to keep that,
Speaker 2: like I have honestly, I have the first doll Dracu
Speaker 2: Laura from a Monster High, the first the first doll
Speaker 2: that was made, the first collection, brand new in the box.
Speaker 2: I already looked. It's already worth a couple of hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: I have the original dolls from Twilight. Like, I had
Speaker 2: a lot of your original Disney stuff from my desk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I kept all that and then a lot of stuff,
Speaker 2: like I couldn't get rid of my picture of Jessica
Speaker 2: Simpson and Nicola shay Care at one of our concerts,
Speaker 2: because that, for me was part of my.
Speaker 1: No what did you just take a picture of it
Speaker 1: to throw it out anythin?
Speaker 2: It does not take any space.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I'm like all your credit cards, but if you like that, right,
Speaker 2: But I don't. I did get rid of a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff, a lot of stuff. I was just like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I Am just gonna purge it and
Speaker 2: get rid of it. But then I have another box
Speaker 2: of like mugs, and I'm like, I am never going
Speaker 2: to use these mugs, but I've had them for so long.
Speaker 2: They're different things. Once from George Michael's concert he's dead now,
Speaker 2: Like there's all I'm with you. There's all these things.
Speaker 2: And then I have a box called can I sneak
Speaker 2: this into work? And it's like my David Beckham's statue
Speaker 2: which has been on my desks in the beginning, amand
Speaker 2: the duck that I got. I have this this porcelain
Speaker 2: duck that I dress up for every holiday. He has costumes.
Speaker 2: Can I get that on the day it's white?
Speaker 1: Maybe I got to be honest with you, Like I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like we're a little bit separate from,
Speaker 1: you know, the stuffy sales floor.
Speaker 2: But I still.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people have tried to put things
Speaker 2: out and gotten told they Yes, A couple of people
Speaker 2: told me so, And I get it. Look, I get
Speaker 2: they want to keep this place beautiful. I get whatever.
Speaker 2: But I'm so I'm going to try to keep just
Speaker 2: a couple of little things and see what happens if
Speaker 2: they tell me to remove them. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: gonna tell you to remove pictures of your family. I
Speaker 2: just don't unless you're unless your family's given everyone the
Speaker 2: middle finger, I think we're okay. But other than that,
Speaker 2: if they tell you to remove something just from you know,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing. I'm gonna do a nice little
Speaker 1: frame right there of the girls, Yes, like I had
Speaker 1: in my other studio, and I'm just gonna put it
Speaker 1: right there. I don't I don't think that that's no
Speaker 1: one's Where is the office police anyway? Now? Where did
Speaker 1: they come around?
Speaker 2: I think they come around after hours.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know who they are like, do they
Speaker 2: have a name? Do we know who they are? Who
Speaker 2: do they you know? Like, who's the is there a
Speaker 2: committee like the party planning committee? From the office.
Speaker 1: Elvis was telling me like he was walking around one
Speaker 1: time with like the big big guy Yeah, and there
Speaker 1: was like a ream of copy paper on top of
Speaker 1: the coffee machine. It was like and wrote it down.
Speaker 1: Why Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's still still like that.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel I feel like now that all the
Speaker 1: radio stations are actually here, it's a little bit more lenient. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe think you know, because it's not as is corporate now.
Speaker 2: I feel like also once we've been here a little
Speaker 2: bit of time, they'll get a little bit more lenient.
Speaker 2: I think. See, I don't know what happens on the
Speaker 2: other floors. I have not been to any of the
Speaker 2: other floors. I have in the past, but since we've
Speaker 2: been here, I have not visited any of the other floors.
Speaker 1: Who on what floor?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I know like one floor down to sales and promotions,
Speaker 1: but otherwise I don't know where anybody is.
Speaker 2: Something that is pretty cool. My friend Joe Malerba. He
Speaker 2: is actually I think he said where what six floor?
Speaker 2: I think he's on four and so he he doesn't
Speaker 2: but he doesn't work for He works for iHeart for
Speaker 2: doing something for them like a podcast and a couple
Speaker 2: of other things. But he is the reason I'm in radio.
Speaker 2: So I went to Saint John's University and Joe Malerba was.
Speaker 1: The pure Johnny.
Speaker 2: I'm a Johnny was the PD from director from non director,
Speaker 2: right from our radio station. And he said, who wants
Speaker 2: to intern at Z one hundred And I said, oh me, me, me,
Speaker 2: And so he's the reason he got the contacts at
Speaker 2: Z one hundred. I applied for my internship, and he's
Speaker 2: the reason I'm here. And he and I have still
Speaker 2: been friends ever since college. He's so one offul I'm
Speaker 2: gona bring him up here because I want him to
Speaker 2: meet everybody. But he is awesome. I've been friends with
Speaker 2: him since, you know, since then. And it's so crazy
Speaker 2: that he's now in the same building as me.
Speaker 1: Wow, And I'm here because of a butcher shop. What yeah,
Speaker 1: well indirectly like so in god, my high school has
Speaker 1: an FM radio station, which is really like unheard of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I've been into radio since ith like eleven
Speaker 1: or twelve years old. I've loved radio forever. After I
Speaker 1: won that Michael Jackson contest and heard my voice on
Speaker 1: the radio, So then I really got into radio. And
Speaker 1: the high school had an FM radio station, so I
Speaker 1: was tinkering around in there, and one of the radio
Speaker 1: stations on Long Island, which wasn't even really an hour
Speaker 1: listening area, was doing an appearance at a butcher that
Speaker 1: had just opened near my house. Oh wow, And my
Speaker 1: dad pulled up and it was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: my son loves radio. Do you take interns? And the
Speaker 1: guy's like, yeah, sure, whatever, and here's my card, you know.
Speaker 1: And I woent up getting in touch with him and
Speaker 1: they brought me an in for an interview, and so
Speaker 1: I started interning it BLI. I think I told this
Speaker 1: story before, and long story short, that's really how I
Speaker 1: got into radio. Because I didn't get that internship. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I would be right now. Right that
Speaker 1: kind of let to Iowa, and Iowa that to hear
Speaker 1: and here I am.
Speaker 2: Wow. See I auditioned to perform in Walt Disney World
Speaker 2: that was going to be I made it to the
Speaker 2: final cut of the college program, and then they cut
Speaker 2: again and I got cut. And my mom keeps saying,
Speaker 2: if you had gone to Disney World, you never would
Speaker 2: have would have been at Z one hundred. Things happen
Speaker 2: for reasons.
Speaker 1: I go, you're righty, isn't it interesting how your life
Speaker 1: could have taken a complete Oh yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: would have not could have.
Speaker 2: I would have been singing, dressing up like whoever I
Speaker 2: would have been, And I probably would have never left
Speaker 2: because I probably would have stayed because my love of
Speaker 2: unless it was horrible to work for, but hopefully not.
Speaker 1: You'd be some like big wig there.
Speaker 2: Now thinks i'd be one in the company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be like just under CEO.
Speaker 2: You never know, right right.
Speaker 1: It's weird, you know. I feel like one of these
Speaker 1: days there's going to be some crazy computer program that
Speaker 1: can map out how your life would have been. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, if if you'd kind of like I choose
Speaker 1: your own adventure book. Yeah, you know, if you went
Speaker 1: this way instead of that way. Yeah, and you could
Speaker 1: kind of like not that it would be real, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I think would be interesting to see, you know,
Speaker 1: how your life might have been different if you took
Speaker 1: a different path.
Speaker 2: I think I would also Broadway. That was one of
Speaker 2: like I remember telling my dad, Dad, I'm gonna pound
Speaker 2: the pavement. I'm gonna audition for some Broadway shows. We
Speaker 2: did not pay for college, so you can found it.
Speaker 2: You know how it went. But I but then I
Speaker 2: got the internship here and I just kind of kept
Speaker 2: working my way up and it.
Speaker 1: Just worked out. Tom Pullman, Yeah, when I was eighteen,
Speaker 1: I applied to be a garbage man. Could you imagine
Speaker 1: if I actually got that job?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you would have been running the place.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd probably be retired now with a big pension.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm doing something else full time.
Speaker 2: But would you have been as happy as you were here?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 2: And you And that's the other thing. You wouldn't have
Speaker 2: met like I would I would I have met Sheldon?
Speaker 2: Because No, I met Sheldon because he met Elvis and
Speaker 2: Elvis liked him, and so Elvis was like, oh he's
Speaker 2: not gay. I met somebody for you, and that's how
Speaker 2: I met my husband. Like would I have met him?
Speaker 2: Or would I have met somebody?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm mean?
Speaker 1: You probably would not have How would your how.
Speaker 2: Would your life have.
Speaker 1: Have shifted home, you know, completely different.
Speaker 2: I always said, the kids always go the kids always
Speaker 2: go to me. You mean we could have been David
Speaker 2: Beckham's kids. I'm like, no, if you had met David Beckham,
Speaker 2: I'm again, that's what it would have happened. Kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would be a different version of them.
Speaker 2: But I always tell them it would have been a
Speaker 2: different version of you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, life, what did you do it? Look?
Speaker 2: Things? I always believe things happen the way they're supposed
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: I do as well.
Speaker 2: Now, unfortunately sometimes it's not always one hundred the best.
Speaker 1: Speed bumps on the road. But still things happen the
Speaker 1: way they're supposed to. Yeah, and for a reason, and
Speaker 1: it is what it is. So yeah, I'm really sorry
Speaker 1: that Andrew has not been a part of this at all.
Speaker 1: I know he see he's he's starting to be like
Speaker 1: kind of a dick. No he's not, I know, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, come just come do it. No I
Speaker 1: have to. I feel bad, I do.
Speaker 2: I has a lot of stuff on his plate.
Speaker 1: No I don't. I'm sorry. Maybe I shouldn't have said
Speaker 1: he's being a dick because he's not being a Dick.
Speaker 1: He's just very busy. He's taken on more than he
Speaker 1: can chew.
Speaker 2: So he maybe he needs to have like an assistant,
Speaker 2: or he needs to like say, hey, can you help
Speaker 2: me with this? Can you help me with that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: although I heard that he is kind of doing that
Speaker 2: with certain things, but maybe he needs to do it
Speaker 2: with more things.
Speaker 1: But he is neglecting our throngs of listeners. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: people do look forward to Andy. Yeah, and not that
Speaker 1: you're not a great replacement.
Speaker 2: But I'm definitely not Andy.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for coming in today.
Speaker 2: He's a lot more fun. He makes fun of you.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys have that banter. You know. I
Speaker 2: don't make fun of you. It's not as much.
Speaker 1: Somehow we've been able to go on for twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: We have Well that's because we just we talk for
Speaker 2: a living.
Speaker 1: So I think it's I guess, I guess. So it
Speaker 1: looks like a whole bunch of engineers are in there.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. There's something break.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I tell you, this clock almost
Speaker 1: gave me a stroke this morning.
Speaker 2: Why because it's huge, It is.
Speaker 1: Huge, and it was missing. You can't see it on
Speaker 1: the camera if you're watching, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: there's gonna be YouTube video because I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: of what's turning around all the then. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's fine. But there's this big giant clock here and
Speaker 1: it counts down for me. But the milliseconds was running
Speaker 1: during so it's like, because you know that last.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, yeah yeah, yea yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So the whole morning is just it's flopping down and
Speaker 1: it was just I thought I was gonna have a stroke,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna change that out for me. So there's
Speaker 1: just there's still a lot of tweaking going on. Things
Speaker 1: are generally, you know, working the way that they're supposed to.
Speaker 1: Just every day there's a little something and they fix it,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like it, to be honest, I like it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's refreshing to be here because it's
Speaker 2: new and there's a certain energy and you see more
Speaker 2: people in the hallways. It's just I don't know, and
Speaker 2: I like where I park and I like, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I do miss people. I miss Mustafa.
Speaker 1: Mustafa see I think we'll see him again.
Speaker 2: Oh so Mustafa with his coffee cart every morning. He
Speaker 2: was the first person I saw every day. He always
Speaker 2: had a smile, He always was happy to see me.
Speaker 2: He always made me feel good, and they always started
Speaker 2: my day off right there.
Speaker 1: You know, a room for him downstairs. I looked when
Speaker 1: I come in in the morning, there's one cart way
Speaker 1: down the other side of the that s it's a
Speaker 1: food cart though it's not even a coffee car.
Speaker 2: They need him down here, to be honest, he do
Speaker 2: really well because there is no place to get coffee downstairs,
Speaker 2: at least I haven't found one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to figure that out.
Speaker 2: I know he said he's trying, but I think it's
Speaker 2: a process.
Speaker 1: It's a thing. It's every his red tape.
Speaker 2: Everything is such a pain in the Ass's hope.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, like when I came into train,
Speaker 1: I was like, f this place. I don't want to
Speaker 1: just for it's different.
Speaker 2: It's it's nice though, look how it is.
Speaker 1: It is it is, and I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: keep it that way. Like I'm not going to spell anything.
Speaker 1: My other board had crumbs and crap nice everywhere, So
Speaker 1: I'm doing my best.
Speaker 2: This is really pretty. Did you take anything by the
Speaker 2: way home from the like, did you steal anything from
Speaker 2: the old station, the old station?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I took a mic flag, you know, the Elvis three.
Speaker 2: I didn't take anything. I feel like I should have
Speaker 2: taken something.
Speaker 1: I did take one of the on air signs. Oh
Speaker 1: you did, the one that was outside my studio. I
Speaker 1: yanked it off the walls.
Speaker 2: I should have done that. Gandhi was going to make
Speaker 2: lamps out of.
Speaker 1: Them, yes, yeah, but they all started. I think she
Speaker 1: took one. I don't know what she's doing with it.
Speaker 1: So I took the on air sign. I wanted to
Speaker 1: take that clock, you know, that the clock that was
Speaker 1: above the regular one, like the what did you take it?
Speaker 1: When I was leaving the last day, it was so
Speaker 1: my hands were so full of crap that I had
Speaker 1: to put with the movers, and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: get out of there. Was getting late. And oh and
Speaker 1: I took one of those lights. You remember the lights
Speaker 1: that were like we took pictures with that were hanging out.
Speaker 1: There was one outide. Yeah, yeah, I took one of
Speaker 1: those two because anything I got left there was just
Speaker 1: going to get trapped. Yeah, I know, you know, So
Speaker 1: I took a light and I took it on air sign.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm ever going to hook either
Speaker 1: one of them up, but.
Speaker 2: If not, they're going to just go in your box.
Speaker 1: They're going to go in my box, your box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's all.
Speaker 2: And I wonder what they're doing in there. They do
Speaker 2: look like they're working feverishly.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, every morning somebody pushes a button and
Speaker 1: it does something different and it's not supposed to do
Speaker 1: or just like this morning, it played an oldies jingle
Speaker 1: from some of the radio station.
Speaker 2: Look furious, George looks furious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is smiling though he's raging with a smile
Speaker 1: on his Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's good. Yeah, and let's see what and what
Speaker 2: is uh? Jeff just looks Okay, he's.
Speaker 1: Going to tell you. I love the fact that so
Speaker 1: many of us have been together for so long. I know,
Speaker 1: like it's just it's I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 1: an anomaly. It just doesn't happen in any workplace now.
Speaker 1: So many people have been especially in radio. What it's
Speaker 1: such a nomadic industry where people just move all over
Speaker 1: the place, and so many of us have been here
Speaker 1: for twenty five or more years.
Speaker 2: I think it's going on, isn't it almost twenty eight?
Speaker 1: It's gonna be twenties, Yeah, twenty seven, Its gonna be
Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty seven. This year will be the twenty
Speaker 1: eighth year for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And he and and we a lot, I mean all
Speaker 2: of us really right now, all of us get along great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we love each other. We have a great time. We
Speaker 2: go out together. We're going to lunch together. You know,
Speaker 2: in a couple of days. We get around. We you know,
Speaker 2: we call each other after the show. What did you
Speaker 2: say to me yesterday? Hey, I need to send something
Speaker 2: to your house because it's cheaper.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: You're like, let your husband know that it's coming. It's
Speaker 2: just cheaper. And so I said to Sheldon last say, hey,
Speaker 2: Scotty needs to send something to our house because he's
Speaker 2: saving thirty bucks.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: Sheldon's like okay. So it's like we're just family. We
Speaker 2: just you know, put on.
Speaker 1: A side note. Isn't it crazy that if I had
Speaker 1: it sent to New York, you pay tax on it,
Speaker 1: but in Jersey, well, because there's no tax on clothing
Speaker 1: in Jersey. Oh yeah, that's right. It's a jacket for
Speaker 1: my daughter.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that that's how it worked. I just
Speaker 2: thought the the that whatever you send is just like
Speaker 2: a set price.
Speaker 1: No, it's a shipping address.
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I knew it was a shipping
Speaker 2: address that would quest a little bit more, but I
Speaker 2: didn't know it was because it's someplaces clothing is taxed,
Speaker 2: someplaces it's not. I just thought it was the company's tax.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy. Thirty bucks is a lot of money.
Speaker 1: It's a stupid expensive jackie.
Speaker 2: Yes it is it the one you wanted. Yes, you're
Speaker 2: a good daddy.
Speaker 1: But I got a discount. So oh, I joined the
Speaker 1: club and I got ten percent off.
Speaker 2: Well did you use honey, because I'm telling you it
Speaker 2: is amazing to me the amount of money. I said.
Speaker 2: You had been so proud of me at Christmas time?
Speaker 2: You know what I did. So there was a jewelry
Speaker 2: company that I needed to order something for somebody, right,
Speaker 2: so I it was one hundred dollars. I found an
Speaker 2: online coupon for one hundred dollars off, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's no way to understand this. This is not going
Speaker 2: to work. It worked. Not only did it work, not
Speaker 2: only did I get that piece of jewelry free. I
Speaker 2: only had to pay twenty nine to ninety nine for this,
Speaker 2: because you know, holidays shipping is crazy. It cost me
Speaker 2: twenty nine ninety nine just for the shipping. I don't
Speaker 2: know how. And then I so so bod, I didn't
Speaker 2: tell you this. So I tried it again two other
Speaker 2: times and it went through, and then I got the email,
Speaker 2: We've canceled your order because you've used this coupon a
Speaker 2: couple of other times. Got it because you could only
Speaker 2: use it. You had to use it just on one
Speaker 2: order Emil addresses. I probably could have, but you had
Speaker 2: to order one at a time, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Because if I had ordered, like, you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty nine dollars something and a ninety
Speaker 2: nine dollars off one hundred, right, so you had to
Speaker 2: just find So I was just finding things for one
Speaker 2: hundred bucks and trying to order the scamming the system.
Speaker 1: I used top cash back a lot, which is the
Speaker 1: same kind of thing. You know, you shop through that
Speaker 1: link and it gives you a percentage of off the
Speaker 1: back or whatever. And when I bought the jacket, originally
Speaker 1: it showed that it came off, but then the company
Speaker 1: denied denied it because I used the promo code for
Speaker 1: signing up for the club. A lot of them will
Speaker 1: not let you double dip.
Speaker 2: And sometimes the promo code is better or there's a
Speaker 2: you know, certain codes here. But I find sometimes when
Speaker 2: they're they're running a great promotion or something, and then
Speaker 2: I look and I'm like, Okay, the great promotion isn't
Speaker 2: as great as this promo code. I'm like, let me
Speaker 2: use that promo code and said, and honey, is so
Speaker 2: good because it is, it's.
Speaker 1: Seen, and I have not used it. I kind of investigated.
Speaker 2: Pops up on so when I order on my computer
Speaker 2: at the end of checkout, it always just pops up
Speaker 2: on its own and it says you to try these
Speaker 2: five coupons. You hit the button tries them for you,
Speaker 2: and then it'll say you got the best price.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I don't understand how some of these companies
Speaker 1: make money, like, for instance, at the supermarket. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I use a bunch of different apps to scan the receipts.
Speaker 1: When I'm done, Yes, Fetch, which gives you points for
Speaker 1: gift cards, so you accumulate points and you just get
Speaker 1: random gift cards. I use check Out fifty one, which
Speaker 1: gives you cash back. I use you Promise, which will
Speaker 1: give you cash toward college. And I bought it, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I bought it, which gives you cash back.
Speaker 2: I don't know any of these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can use all of them on the
Speaker 1: same receipt because they're all different companies. Wow, so you
Speaker 1: can double triple, quadrupled dip on the.
Speaker 2: Can I do that on Instacart?
Speaker 1: The receipt doesn't It don't give you the receipt then't
Speaker 1: Maybe if you get an E receipt, you might be
Speaker 1: able to. Some of them will allow you an E receipt.
Speaker 1: But if you want, and if you go to my
Speaker 1: instagram Z scotty b Z S C O T T
Speaker 1: YB and if you click on the little thing that's
Speaker 1: as savings, Yeah, there's an article there and I'll give
Speaker 1: you it'll give you all the referral codes. That way,
Speaker 1: you get a little extra and I get a little extra.
Speaker 1: But you no, it's and even like Cooper's into it.
Speaker 1: Cooper Cooper signed up for a Fetch account. And so
Speaker 1: when we go to shop, right, she goes to the garbage,
Speaker 1: she takes all the receipts out of the trash, and
Speaker 1: she scans and she she got like a fifty dollars
Speaker 1: Bath and Bodyworks gift card. That's awesome scanning trash for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's your kid.
Speaker 1: She is my kid.
Speaker 2: She's your kid.
Speaker 1: That's cool. She's she's so funny.
Speaker 2: I love it, super Cooper.
Speaker 1: Super Cooper. Anyway, Look, okay, with a couple of thirty
Speaker 1: five minutes in, this is that good? Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's fine because you usually chat bull chats, bulk chats
Speaker 1: going awhere from forty five minutes to a little over
Speaker 1: an hour. It just depends. It depends on the time.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate you sitting in today.
Speaker 2: You very well.
Speaker 1: I know both of us have to kind of get
Speaker 1: out of here today. So thank you so much for
Speaker 1: listening to this episode of bull Chat. We don't no,
Speaker 1: we say, oh yeah, but I also don't know the bulls.
Speaker 1: I forget they They never made it over. There's a lot,
Speaker 1: there's still there's still a few boxes that never made
Speaker 1: it here, like all my office supplies, my FedEx labels
Speaker 1: might tape.
Speaker 2: See, That's why I made sure to move my own boxes.
Speaker 2: I was a little nerve that things would disappear.
Speaker 1: I moved some of my stuff, but yeah, but that
Speaker 1: is nowhere to be found just yet. I know there's
Speaker 1: still some boxes floating around. But anyway, follow us on
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Speaker 1: Z Scotty be on Everything.
Speaker 2: Radio, Danielle Monaro on Instagram, and that's really all I checks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You've never got into the Facebook. Twitter is whatever.
Speaker 2: It's Twitter I do, but you know whatever, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Check out our website, serial KILLERSPC dot com. We'll have
Speaker 1: an all new serial Killers on Monday, hopefully Andrew will
Speaker 1: be here. We have a really cool new cereal that
Speaker 1: we found and some listeners supplied stuff as well.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: So until then, say clink, Danielle, clink, clink, we'd have
Speaker 1: the ceramic ball.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, let's just drop the phone or something. Not
Speaker 2: the same. It's really not the same, the same by