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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Cowboys Break. I remember Garcia? You heard

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Speaker 1: in the intro? Who else is the cast on this showing? On? Nick? David,

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Speaker 1: Derek over here? This is season eighteen, yeah, le eighteen wow,

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Speaker 1: for the country. Alright, alright, Episode four five five? Okay

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Speaker 1: you were nicky? Okay, whoa wow? Alight on it? There

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Speaker 1: figure we'll get the news out of the way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the listeners have already heard the news and the things

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Speaker 1: all that. But he's currently going under some pretty serious

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Speaker 1: mentioned two names, but about the talent itself, like if

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Speaker 1: you were to drive to trade up, are you specifically

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Speaker 1: going to a guard and draft a guard or is

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Speaker 1: the talent okay if you wait until like let's say

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Speaker 1: a second round guy, because you have at this point

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Speaker 1: we keep talking about it, you have to get some

434
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Speaker 1: help at card. Yeah, along that line, let me go

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Speaker 1: back to the to the last part because I actually disagree.

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Speaker 1: Now that I really think about it, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it is bad drafting at this point. I don't think draft.

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Speaker 1: I think if there's a receiver that's rated a little

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Speaker 1: higher than the guard, I'm okay taking the guard about

440
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Speaker 1: a lot higher. Well, I mean, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I mean by that, And I know what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: like a little bit if they're fairly comfortable, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. But what happens when where is that markup?

444
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Speaker 1: If you've got a guy that yeah, okay, and that's

445
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Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, like a receiver you think is

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Speaker 1: going to be in the top ten and he falls down,

447
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Speaker 1: you know, or to twenty four. But but to me, like, okay,

448
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Speaker 1: you draft this guy, like if he's going to be

449
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Speaker 1: better than Ceedee Lamb, then that makes sense. But if

450
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be better than then like Michael

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Speaker 1: Gaillipiece is probably your third receiver? Like is that good

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Speaker 1: drafting to to get a receiver that's higher rated. Let's

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Speaker 1: say it's a Trailing Burke's type of guy who's gonna

454
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Speaker 1: probably be your third receiver, then what are you doing

455
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Speaker 1: that guard? Are you still going with with McGovern? I

456
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Speaker 1: mean I would rather have the guard that comes in

457
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Speaker 1: plays right away, even if he's not as good as

458
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Speaker 1: my third receiver, because how does that guy help me? Okay,

459
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Speaker 1: so let's let's flip that a little bit then, because

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Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, but what if the talent

461
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Speaker 1: there says he might not this year. Right now, he

462
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Speaker 1: might be your third receiver, but in a year or

463
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Speaker 1: two he might be your best receiver. Or let's even

464
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Speaker 1: flip it to another position, because I think receivers a

465
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Speaker 1: little bit of different beast. Right now, Let's let's assume

466
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Speaker 1: it's it's stingy by all accounts, he is a cornerback

467
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Speaker 1: that will not be there for you. Let's assume he

468
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Speaker 1: drops to you somebody with that kind of potential. Would

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Speaker 1: you be willing to do that knowing that, hey man,

470
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Speaker 1: this might not pay off for us in the immediate

471
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Speaker 1: but it certainly can have big impact for us down

472
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Speaker 1: the road. But we need a guard right now, which

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Speaker 1: to a degree I agree with Nick and that to

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Speaker 1: steal Brian brought us is like terminology, like if the

475
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Speaker 1: tags are touching, if you're basically talking about the same

476
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Speaker 1: players that play different positions, take the guard. Take the

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Speaker 1: guard it's the issue where a guy that is clearly

478
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Speaker 1: a lot better than the guard falls to you. Which,

479
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Speaker 1: if if whatever we're hearing about this draft class is accurate,

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Speaker 1: that's at least got a decent chance of happening. They

481
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Speaker 1: could be setting themselves up to do something really dumb,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. Yeah, And that's that's the thing. It goes.

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Speaker 1: It goes back to kind of what you just asked, Like,

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Speaker 1: like usually you want to say best available player, but

485
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Speaker 1: they haven't. They haven't afforded themselves that luxury this year.

486
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Speaker 1: To do that, they have to go best available need.

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Speaker 1: And and that's that's where that's what I think that

488
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Speaker 1: they are right now. But I've said this all along too,

489
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Speaker 1: is that like I think Dak is better, Zeke is better,

490
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Speaker 1: these guys. Offense is better if your offensive line is

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Speaker 1: way better, and the best way to do it is

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Speaker 1: to draft, you know, and a plug and play guy.

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Speaker 1: And that's it's just gonna be hard to think any

494
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Speaker 1: of these other players, the Stingy, the Jordan Davis, any

495
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Speaker 1: of these receivers. That sounds great, but I'm like, man,

496
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Speaker 1: they've gotta get offensive line help. They've got to get

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Speaker 1: a guy that can start do either one of those guards.

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Speaker 1: Just that's why I don't get what they did. And

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Speaker 1: I don't get the lack of action and free agency

500
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Speaker 1: to prevent that from being true because it is true.

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Speaker 1: But why is it true? Why did they not do? Like?

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Speaker 1: Why are they content to be? Like? Man, I really

503
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Speaker 1: hope Kenyan Green's there at twenty four because that's kind

504
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Speaker 1: of what it feels like the strategy is. And are

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Speaker 1: both those guys plug and play? Yeah? They play? Can

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Speaker 1: better be? No? Well I'm asking, I mean, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's nice to say they better be, but you know, yeah,

508
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Speaker 1: both of them are plug and play. Yes they're gonna be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, But I also just know this. Zach Martin

510
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Speaker 1: was picked fourteenth and guard Quentin Nelson I think was

511
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Speaker 1: sixth fifth maybe, like if you have a stud guard, yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: they can get picked up this So when you say

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Speaker 1: there's some there's something wrong with their game, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, of course there is something. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, we're gonna take a break. But I I

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Speaker 1: laughed when you said that earlier, which you know you

517
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Speaker 1: could have a Zach Martin in this draft. So I

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Speaker 1: say this kind of tongue in cheek, But like, if

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Speaker 1: they trade up for a guard, the draft knicks, the

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Speaker 1: people like me who like really freak out about this

521
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Speaker 1: stuff will burn Twitter down if you if they trade

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Speaker 1: up for a guard to make sure they get their guard,

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Speaker 1: Like if you're trading up in a first round of

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Speaker 1: a draft, doesn't matter though, how much like you if

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Speaker 1: they trade up two spots, you're gonna be like, what

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Speaker 1: why did they give up? I mean, what did I mean?

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Speaker 1: What did they get in the Mica trade last year?

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Speaker 1: What did Philly give them to go up two spots

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Speaker 1: in the first round? A third? Yeah, yeah, you give

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Speaker 1: a pick eighty eight to go get a guard. You

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do that twelve to ten and twenty fourth. I'm

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Speaker 1: just probably fourth. I'd be aggravated by one of those.

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Speaker 1: One of those picks are supposed to do something. One

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Speaker 1: of those About fifth round, fifth round picks, we got

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. We're gonna talk about about one.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about fifth round picks later in the show. Um,

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Speaker 1: but uh, speaking of trade and we're gonna go to break.

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Speaker 1: I was just thought, whatever trade it is, it better

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Speaker 1: be better than what you got through Amari Cooper. A

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Speaker 1: better deal and it's a different deal, you know, different

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Speaker 1: kind of trade, but you better get some some something

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Speaker 1: better out of whatever trade you made. If a Mark

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Speaker 1: Cooper can land your fifth round pick, then I would

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Speaker 1: trade one of those fifth round picks to see if

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Speaker 1: I can get something like that and its contract. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well let's take a break. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: Nick mentioned best available need, so I wanted to kna

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Speaker 1: dive a little bit deeper into that and see what

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Speaker 1: are some of the other higher needs that the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: it just seems like, oh, I've been up since this

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Speaker 1: morning to five GA. I was gonna say, when did

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Speaker 1: Brian get here? I was thinking, I think Kyle does

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Speaker 1: Runs a little bit loo congratulations day Yeah, good jobs.

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Speaker 1: Thanks all right. So before the break, um Nick mentioned

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Speaker 1: that the Cowboys might be forcing themselves to see like

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Speaker 1: best available need, and then Dave mentioned the Brian's line

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Speaker 1: that you know, if they're touching tags or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: they're right there close to each other. So my question

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Speaker 1: is are there any other positions that might be kind

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Speaker 1: of touching tags with the guard position as far as needs, well,

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Speaker 1: I you know, I'll let talk about it too, but

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Speaker 1: I think receiver the reason why it's up there, it's

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Speaker 1: there is a need there. Um you know, because you

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Speaker 1: don't know what Gallup's going to do this year, and

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Speaker 1: James Washington is still you know, he's he's a lower

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Speaker 1: round free agent guy. That's supposed to be a band

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Speaker 1: aid situation. So I think receiver because it's a need.

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Speaker 1: I do think that that's would make more sense to

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Speaker 1: you know, to be in the conversation, But I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's that much of a need. I think it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of the two or three biggest

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Speaker 1: little bit last year, but from the most part, everybody

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Speaker 1: but when you just look at it, I think they

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Speaker 1: I think receivers. Right after that, then I would probably

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Speaker 1: go edge rusher, where you could flop those two if

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Speaker 1: you want to whatever. Those are the top three in

641
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: my opinion, And then after that probably offensive tackle and

642
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: tight end. So when you look at those, there's gonna

643
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: be a guard there for you, there's gonna be a

644
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: receiver there for you. Offensive tackle would be pretty surprising

645
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: just because of the value of that position. There isn't

646
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: a tight end with a first round grade. And what else?

647
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: Did I say? Edge rusher? Possible? But again that feels

648
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: surprising picking twenty fourth that one of those guys falls

649
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: to you. So the natural conclusion is receiver. And why

650
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: can't I talk receiver and guard? Sorry? Yeah? Yeah, And

651
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: so I think when you're answering that question, you're talking

652
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: about it twenty four. Yeah, just yeah for the first

653
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: round because not necessarily like those five positions should be

654
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: your first five picks. You know, I don't think you're

655
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: saying that because you can't predict that right, right, because

656
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: because you could say, though, these would be needs to

657
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: take in the first round. But I think if you're

658
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: talking about out the first three rounds, I'm thinking linebacker

659
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: has got to get in that mix because the more

660
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: stability I've got a linebacker, then I can play Parsons

661
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: where I want to play him. And I mean, Layton's

662
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: a one year deal, and you know, after you know,

663
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: who knows what else that happens at linebacker, and so

664
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: I just need a little bit more stability, more playmakers there.

665
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: So I kind of put that in that group. Not

666
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: in the first round, I don't think, but but in

667
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: the top you know, first two days. Yeah, maybe I

668
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: ironically put edge slash a linebacker because because of what

669
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: you said, like it allows me some flexibility with with Micah.

670
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: If I get a linebacker, if I get it, I

671
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: think an edge is important. But I also think if

672
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: you get a linebacker, then that does offset that a

673
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: little bit because you can't slide Mica down to play

674
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: edge a little bit more if you got a linebacker

675
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: you think can play. So I think I think I

676
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: put those together. But I think I would actually say

677
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: that swing tackle to me is the third It's behind

678
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: guard and wide receiver. We've already taught. It's fun. You're

679
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: gonna play some games this year, sure you're gonna neet

680
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: that guy. And that guy is not currently on the team,

681
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: So I think I think, oh, I don't think he's

682
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: currently on the team, So I think they need to

683
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: address that. I think the reason I fall off on

684
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: tackle a little bit is just because I know that

685
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: there are guys out there in free agency that like

686
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: there you know, there's always a slide. There's always like

687
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: a thirty three year old tackle who's just kind of chilling.

688
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying they want to go resigned Tiansecky,

689
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: but they probably could Jason probably talk Jason Peters out

690
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: of retirement or whatever the hell he's got going on.

691
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: So like, I just think you can play forever. You

692
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: can address that cost effectively after the draft if it

693
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. It's not to say I don't think

694
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: they should draft one. Can you get a linebacker that

695
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: just plays a linebacker, No one thinks he's a pass rusher,

696
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: and then he gets a week two of the season

697
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: and find out that he's a really good pass rusher.

698
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Can you get that guy? Yeah? I think that would

699
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: be fun. Sure, right right after you get that, right

700
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: after you get Zach Martin. Yeah, you can get that guy. Yeah, Yeah,

701
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean that that's just amazing when you when you

702
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: really think about what happened with Parsons, like if I

703
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: mean the COVID year, there's not a lot of great

704
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: things that happened that they came out of covid. YEA,

705
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: but that right there, just and I'm again I'm I'm

706
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: just being tongue in cheek here. I understand that it

707
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: was it was a huge deal for our whole world

708
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: and country and all that, and a lot of people

709
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: lost their lives. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying

710
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: it feels even gross to put in the same sentence.

711
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: But like the fact that that he didn't play, you know,

712
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: he opted out for whatever the reasons opted out that

713
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: allowed him to be you know, to fall to twelve.

714
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: And I don't I think if you would have played

715
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: that year, they would have realized this cauy Can rushed

716
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: to the passer and he would have been drafted third.

717
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: His coaches at Penn State have said they were going

718
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: to put more on his plate if he had played,

719
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: And that's if you go back, I'll I'll readily own

720
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: it like I wanted one of the cornerbacks. And there

721
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: was a lot of concerned about the deal. Let's be honest.

722
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: There were some people out there that will, let's be honest,

723
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: the Cowboys pressure, no, no, not. But for the fact

724
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: that they both got taken. I think Mickey and I

725
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: hand on this one there were plenty of like, no,

726
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: that it's on this show. We pulled it. We pulled

727
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: the clip the other day. You can go back and

728
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: find it. There are people out there, but my like,

729
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: but I don't feel bad about it, because the whole

730
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: thing was positional value. Is like, is this guy gonna

731
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: do more than playoff ball linebacker? Turns out yeah, and

732
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: he's really good at it. And if there had been

733
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: tape of that, yeah, he would have been a top

734
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: five pick. And I remember saying the way, the way

735
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: he rushes up the middle, I remember thinking, I remember

736
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: saying this, like, it's not always going to be against

737
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: Purdue and he gets Indiana, Like I get it. The

738
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: guards are a lot better. Um, but but that that's

739
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: that's what's scary about people like me that cover the

740
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: draft and I don't cover. It's very loosely there. I

741
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: look at highlight tapes, Well, no one puts out you know,

742
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dean's plays that suck like that, No one puts

743
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: that on Twitter, on YouTube, they put his highlight tapes

744
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: and this highlight tapes look good. But they're watching film

745
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: on guys good and bad. So what he can do

746
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: is what he can't do. So it's it's real scary

747
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: to go I love what this guy does a receiver

748
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: or like, okay, but he misses it. He runs bad

749
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: routes sometimes and that's why he's not this or that.

750
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: So you gotta be careful just on what you see

751
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: on highlights because it goes both ways. Going back to

752
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: the linebacker thing, I would like them to draft one,

753
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: but and maybe I'm maybe I'm listening too much to

754
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, like maybe I should be more not take

755
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: him at his word, but like we asked him about

756
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: a linebacker in Florida and he was like, oh, you

757
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: gotta remember j Ron's basically a linebacker, And I was like, yeah,

758
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: that's a good point, and if you, but are they

759
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: going to pull him down to that and have another

760
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: strong safety in in those situations like like you can't

761
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: double count him like I think when they're in nickel

762
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: typically he's still on the fields at safety, right, but

763
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: he comes down into the box and deals with the

764
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: tight end, so all for all intents and purposes, like

765
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: he's not back in coverage. He's down doing but you're

766
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: still gonna need to linebackers my point, and yeah, but

767
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: so but when you factor in those three like Layton

768
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: vander Esht, Jabril Cox can play nickel linebackers. Basically what

769
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you want to do if you want

770
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: Mike to do something else, or Mica can obviously play

771
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: nickel linebacker. Two. I just think if you include Curse

772
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: and say that you've got those four, I feel okay

773
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: about it. I'm not saying, like, sure, draft one, that

774
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: would be great, but I have it lower on my

775
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: list of name would be your guy Daman Clark. Why

776
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: he had spinal fusion surgery and it's gonna miss his

777
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: rookie season. Yeah, well, I feel terrible for him. He'd

778
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: be a top he would be Are there any linebackers

779
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: in his draft? He would be like, if they got

780
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: him at twenty four, you'd be like, I get it.

781
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: I understand. Like somebody, somebody stopped me go walking into

782
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: the to the office like a month ago, some some fan.

783
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: He was just like, what do you think? And he

784
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: said it so fast I don't even know what he

785
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: was saying. And of course it wasn't you know, nine

786
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: in the morning. I don't know anything. He was just like,

787
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: what do you think much time? Mum? And I'm like

788
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: what he was like talking about Chad Muma from Wyoming.

789
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: I love the idea of you being accosted about Trad

790
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Muma at nine o'clock in the morning. Well, what was funny?

791
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: Can you guess? To look on? Nick's like, no, no,

792
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: I'm talking to second. But here's here's what was really

793
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: kind of funny about it. So he's he's like, he's

794
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: a he's a big time fan, and he was up

795
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys club and with his wife. His wife

796
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: was like, no, don't harass this guy. And he was

797
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: just like, no, listening to the show all the time.

798
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: He's probably listening. He's like, second round pick, what do

799
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: you think about him in the second round? And as

800
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: he's saying that, I look over and I see Darren Woodson,

801
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: who works on the other side of this building. He's

802
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: got a real estate company and all that. He's killing it.

803
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: He's walking with like a client or whatever. And so

804
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: I said, well loudly, you know, you know all the

805
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: second round picks go. You never know about a second

806
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: round pick and all that, And of course he was like,

807
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: see there you go. That's why we're not friends, and

808
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: all this stuff, which had reminded him there's a huge

809
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: picture in my office about him. So but anyways, second round,

810
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: pick d what but you have a picture of him

811
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: in your office because he every time he sees Darren,

812
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: he measures it. I'm okay, just are you love with

813
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: the guy like you always manybe? I mean, maybe you

814
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: know it's great, but it's always like Darren, I have

815
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: a picture of you on my dad. Well, he's a

816
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: high office all the time, so you know, so when

817
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: he does, I mean, I just have to remind him that,

818
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I'm have pictures on his

819
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: office wall. So the guy maybe cared too much about

820
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: Darren paid. It was kind of what you're trying to do.

821
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: You're trying to push him off on Darren, like, hey,

822
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: there's a go get the future Hall of Famer. Maybe

823
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: let go like go hang out with him. Okay, cool?

824
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: Chad mum though about him even recognized Derek. What do

825
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: you think about this guy? He's a good player. I mean,

826
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't take notes on all five hundred

827
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: of these guys the way that Brian does. I know

828
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people think really highly of him. He

829
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: played at Wyoming. I think Logan Wilson could have won

830
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. So I think a lot of people

831
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: have wyoming in the back of their mind. Uh, maybe

832
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: Josh too, well, I'm just thinking about it. Linebacker. But yeah, no,

833
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean like he's gonna be a top one hundred pick. Um, No,

834
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna say no to answer your question. Um,

835
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: there's not a linebacker that they could pick at twenty

836
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: four that would thrill me just because of the investment

837
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: they've already made. It's the same argument you had last

838
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: year about Michael right, Like, just for the value of

839
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: the pick, you would be well and and and like

840
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: you have Micah and you just drafted Cox. It's like, geah,

841
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, gotta what we're gonna do with all these guys.

842
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: And on top of that, so they're I mean, Nakobe

843
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: Dean's one of my favorite players in this draft. They

844
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: ain't drafted him. He's fine. I think he's gonna be there.

845
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna he's five eleven. They don't draft

846
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: five eleven guys. They like big long guys. They like

847
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh and Michael Parsons, Devin Lloyd. I think

848
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people are gonna try to sell Devin

849
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: Lloyd as this year's Parsons because he had eight sacks

850
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: at Utah last year. He can do a little bit

851
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: of that, but the freakish athleticism just isn't there. Like

852
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: he's lighter than Micah and also slower and less explosive,

853
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: like to me of Derek Johnson. Yeah, Devin Lloyd because

854
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: he's got the football in his hand every time. Every

855
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: time you look at guy, a football magnet. Yeah, definitely,

856
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't mistake me. He's definitely a good player, but

857
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't not so good that I think it's worth

858
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: drafting him twenty fourth overall agreement when you just drafted Mica.

859
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: It's got to be a guard or just a playmaking

860
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: receiver that you just can't. You just can't those only two.

861
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like you guys, would you would you consider

862
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: cornerback if you if the right one failed you in

863
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: first round? Like so, so that's why I'm trying to

864
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: get and I think that's where Amber was going, Like,

865
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: what are the positions where you like this? This makes

866
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: this would make sense if the right guy's there. Here

867
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: are some names you wouldn't be punching a wall. Actually

868
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: take that. But you also have to ask the question,

869
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: why is he falling? Yeah, I have to ask absolutely absolutely.

870
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's fair. But I don't know that

871
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: anybody was asking that question about CD. You just were like,

872
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: he's here, get it right. We actually we've got We

873
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: should have put Zion on the cover of our draft magazine.

874
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: That's my one regret. But I got a few. Well,

875
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: these three, these three are all names that I think

876
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: you should know in terms of like not a receiver,

877
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: not a guard, but somebody they should consider. We all

878
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: know Tyler Linderbaum best center in the draft. I want like,

879
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: it's so weird to me that they didn't bring him in,

880
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: Like I think that's so weird, Like it what does

881
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: that mean that? Like why don't you I don't know,

882
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: why don't you want to do some due diligence that

883
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: maybe the guy that maybe there, that's who they got circled,

884
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: that's they want. They just don't want to put anybody

885
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: on the set. I don't think they would draft pla. Yeah,

886
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I just gonna you know, we don't look cool, look good.

887
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 1: We got a center. I don't think they would draft

888
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie um, but I think he should be in consideration.

889
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: He's five ten dudes, a baller, A story on him. Yeah,

890
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: he's our He's our story for today. I mainly I

891
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: wanted him on the cover because I just think the

892
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: purple kind of pops. But like he's a purple always

893
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: pass freaking great football player. Like he's a shutdown corner.

894
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: He can play slot and outside. I just wonder if

895
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: he's got enough length. But maybe if he falls all

896
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: the way at twenty four, maybe you consider it. And

897
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: then there's George Karloft, this who is just a bad

898
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: the badass edge rusher from Purdue. He's not like he's

899
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: not this physical freak, but he's like a very athletic,

900
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: high motor guy. And if you need an edge rusher

901
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: athletic and high motor. Yeah, I mean, but he's not

902
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: like he's not like an athletic super freak, is what

903
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. But like he's an athletic edge

904
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: He shouldn't be there at twenty four, but maybe he

905
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: won't be. Yeah, who knows what? Y'all, every every one

906
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: of the draft people that I listen to all are

907
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: staying the same thing. It's gonna be a crapsh you

908
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: get past the top, what five, six, seven picks, and

909
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: it's really just your flavor. What do you want. The

910
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: funny thing though, is like even still so much of

911
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: the draft industry as group think because it's it's scary

912
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: to kind of be out on your own with opinion,

913
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: and so you still kind of find people falling into

914
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: this group thought process where it's like, ah, he'll he'll

915
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: be gone, he'll be gone. He ain't fallen. It's like

916
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: somebody's got to And then for all you know this

917
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: some guy that we've universally got pegged as getting picked

918
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: in the twenties could go in the teens. Then I'll

919
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: never forget Cleveland Farrell defensive linean out of Clemson, was

920
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: like we widely had him circled as like somewhere between

921
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: twenty and forty fourth overall, Thanks Michael, How how has

922
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: he done? Hasn't worked out? That's not the point that

923
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: I know. I'm just got the one that did, and

924
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: he's I think a Hall of famer, And this it

925
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: goes to show how long we've been doing this. But

926
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney was not supposed to go in the top

927
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: ten or whatever to the Colt and that was one

928
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: that it was like who you know? And then not

929
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: not who because he's probably a late first round put.

930
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: Its probably also his size like that that was always

931
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: the knock on him as his size, but he played

932
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: well beyond that. Between that always happens. I feel like

933
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: in every draft, you you're watching the TV and you're

934
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: looking and you're expecting the team to do something, and

935
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they pick a guy that

936
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, what what? And then and we saw

937
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: it happen a lot last year and was it last

938
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: year mainly? Yeah? Right, that it was a lot that

939
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: you're like, whoa what And that's clearly how cite Lamb

940
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: and landed on your lab because and that's and that

941
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: we say this all the time. But like these guys

942
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: that are that are doing this, I mean, I think

943
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler does an amazing job and draft. You know,

944
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: he's got this beast of a of a of a

945
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: book with all these players, but you know it's done universally.

946
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: It's not he's not ranking the corners based off of

947
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: length and size and what Dan Quinn would want. He's

948
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: trying to put it all out there on everything involved.

949
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: When he might Dan Quinn might look at it and go, well,

950
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: his number fourteen corners might number two corner because he'll

951
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: come right in this guy. I mean like yeah, yeah,

952
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: and that's and that's that's that's not a knock on

953
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: any of these draft experts. They can only do it

954
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: that way. That's why this stuff happens. There's a receiver

955
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: out there that that will be a perfect slot guy

956
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: for what the offense is trying to do for some team.

957
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: That is probably the number twenty five receiver on the board,

958
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: but he might go in the second round. Yep. Well,

959
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: let me change the conversation a little bit. We've talked

960
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot about the first two rounds and you know

961
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do on Day one and those top picks,

962
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: but we haven't really got into those later rounds. And

963
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: like they late, they two late in day three, you know.

964
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: And we give the Cowboys Will McClay and his staff

965
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: a lot of credit of the amazing job that they

966
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: usually do when it comes to drafting talent. But looking

967
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: at this list of it here as far as the

968
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, I mean, yeah, well they got four

969
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: fifth rounders. That's why we keep talking about everything is like, well,

970
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: the kick her just fifth round. Und. I think the

971
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: point she's about to make though, is that the track

972
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: record we went nibble. So I'm gonna drop some names.

973
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna down go for most recent to later down

974
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: the road, uh Semi, Philoco, Bradley and I, Michael Jackson,

975
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, Mike Y, Ryan Russell, Devon Street, Joseph Randall,

976
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: Danny Cole, Josh Thomas, DeAngelo Smith, and then a few

977
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: more down the road. You got Orlando scan Drake, which

978
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: was one that he did stay here for scand the

979
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: last good fifth round pick? Yeah? Odd is he the

980
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: only like I didn't hear any names in there that

981
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: just jumped at me. I mean, ironically. The funny thing

982
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: is if you go and look at six and seventh round,

983
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: is they've been better in the sixth and seventh round

984
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: than they've been in the fifth round. That's been questioned.

985
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: What do they do? Yeah, that's the thing everyone keeps

986
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of there's like this little, you know, growing excitement

987
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: about what I got four in the fifth round. I

988
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: think the excitement is if you do something with them,

989
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: if you trade it for something else, or you package

990
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: it to get up better fourth or a third or

991
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: something like that, because he's sitting there and taking four

992
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: fifth rounders seems like a waste. Yeah, I'm serious, that's why.

993
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: And like again, draft nicks can get into all these

994
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: arguments about like the value. I would use the first

995
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: pick of the fifth round on the kicker that John

996
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: Fossil likes the best. I would be excited if it

997
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: was Kade York. I don't really care what they think.

998
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: Draft a kicker who cares, Like the odds are that

999
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: whoever you draftedn't gonna make the team anyway, or will

1000
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: excuse me, he'll make the team, he just won't do anything.

1001
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: Just get a good kicker time that you would ever

1002
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: like that the Cowboys would have used a draft pick

1003
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: on a kicker, that's a question on their list there.

1004
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: But um but he wasn't even supposed to be like

1005
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: the kicker he even like, even if he sucks, like

1006
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: even if the kickers not that Like I mean the

1007
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: track record I think we talked about this, like the

1008
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: track record of of kicks being used on kickers is

1009
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. Like both of the Pro bowlers this

1010
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: year were drafted. M Evan McPherson, who was a huge

1011
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: part of the Bengals run was a fifth round pick. Like,

1012
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: if a kicker is good enough to get drafted, he's

1013
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: usually pretty good. Like there are always the exceptions, like

1014
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: a Guio that's Tampa's fault now, and that was a

1015
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: weird situation. Yeah, I think you're not doing it. It's

1016
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: such a mental position. You're not doing a kicker any

1017
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: favors by trading up for him in the second round

1018
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um, but yeah, just draft the guy

1019
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: you like the best, and even if he sucks, well,

1020
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: all your other fifth round picks too, too, like when

1021
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: you're back where you started. Yeah, yeah, I just I

1022
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: don't know what the strategy has been there. I mean,

1023
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if there is a theme to those

1024
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: guys other than tape. Um. I just they haven't they

1025
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: haven't stuck, you know. And I mean Joseph Randall was

1026
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good player, but he failed a lot of issues.

1027
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: What he I mean, talent wise, I was a good

1028
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: that was a good player, But like Devon Street, I mean,

1029
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: Ryan Russell, those guys couldn't and even like the most

1030
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: recent ones in like the past five years. These are

1031
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: names that we've talked about on here, and you're like, Okay,

1032
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: I can see it, but then it just you never

1033
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: really get much out of it and never leads to anything. Really,

1034
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: who are the three after an eye? Like Joe Jackson,

1035
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, and Mike White. Which Mike White, I mean

1036
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: Mike White wound up being worth it just for another

1037
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: team after they cut him. I mean, if I had

1038
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: told you, if I told you that, he would have

1039
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: wound up starting a few games and won a regular

1040
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: season game for you, which he did for the Jets

1041
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, against the Super Bowl runner up got

1042
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: The NFL is such a weird league, so crazy, that

1043
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: would be worth it. It's just it just didn't happen here,

1044
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: which sucks. Which, by the way, when you're talking about

1045
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: that round, you know, fifth, sixth, seventh round picks like

1046
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't think of that as they have to be

1047
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: great here, Like if they keep playing, to me, that

1048
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: means you gotta pick. You got a good pick there.

1049
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't work for you long term, but they

1050
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: doesn't make you feel any better, you know, but but

1051
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: it does make you feel better from a standpoint of

1052
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: the evaluations. Right, the evaluation was right. Yeah, I mean,

1053
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods to me is a good example of dead,

1054
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods is still playing football, and so as a

1055
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: sixth round pick to still be playing football, that's a

1056
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: good pick. If Xavier Woods had never played another down

1057
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: after his contract ended here, he would have been a

1058
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: great pick. That's yeah. That like I get I get

1059
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: frustrated sometimes because of like the way people evaluate this stuff,

1060
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: like if you find and obviously his tenure here did

1061
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: not end well. The comments he made about hustling will

1062
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: forever be remembered. But like for what you got out

1063
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: of him at as pick like one ninety eight or

1064
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: something like that, if you call that a disappointing pick,

1065
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: you're just telling me you don't understand the draft, that's

1066
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: all you're saying. Okay, that's a great pick six. Same thing.

1067
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: We give Noah Brown a lot of crap, but Noah

1068
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: Brown was that's thirty nine. That's my guy for that's

1069
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: making it work. Pick Year after year, that list has

1070
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: games played on there, and and you know thirty thirty five,

1071
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, forty eight games played. It's like three seasons.

1072
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: I bet you only Scandrick. Only Scandrick, I think, is

1073
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: the only guy that goes over forty games played. And

1074
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: maybe Josh Thomas. No, there are there are a couple.

1075
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: So Orlando Scandrick played one hundred and forty three games. Yeah,

1076
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: and he started seventy seven. Yeah. Um, as far as

1077
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: other like starts, starts, you have Sean Ryan, he started

1078
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: fifteen and he played fifty three games. Pat Watkins, he

1079
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: played fifty three games. That's pretty good. And then the

1080
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: other one that's up there two is Josh Thomas. And

1081
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: that did not happen here. That happened Carolina. I don't think. Yeah, well,

1082
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's just a total state in general. Yeah, yeah,

1083
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: so I don't even remember Sean Ryan started any game

1084
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: but fifty tight end that was like you started off

1085
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: in the two tight end set and he was not

1086
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: a starter. Yeah, but yeah, look how did the last four?

1087
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously no starts there with those last four,

1088
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: But the highest one was Joe Jackson with twenty games

1089
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: that he played. You know, he was a special teams guy,

1090
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, that's all he was. Um, I don't think

1091
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: he's still in the league, Joe Jackson. I don't think so.

1092
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: I will. I will say this though, and like again,

1093
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: your expectations should go down the later you get on

1094
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: day three. But going back to what we said about

1095
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: what Rob said talking about Connor Williams last week is like,

1096
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: when this is your strategy, Like, when you invest this

1097
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: much in the draft, you need to hit on some

1098
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: of these. Like you can't just be like, well, what

1099
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it's the fifth round. It's like, no,

1100
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: this is how you're choosing to bring talent into your team.

1101
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: And so many people want to talk about the Rams

1102
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: and what they're doing. A big part of the reason

1103
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: why they can get away with that is they're actually

1104
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: great on Day three of the draft. Like I'm for

1105
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, like, obviously not every pick is

1106
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: gonna hit, but like Obo Okrawanco, Sebastian Day, who's the

1107
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: who's the safety, Jordan Fuller, the guy who made the

1108
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: play on CD in Week one in twenty twenty sixth

1109
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: round pick, Like they're getting starters on Day three, year

1110
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: in and year out. They're finding guys that can contribute.

1111
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: I do think the Cowboys could stand to be a

1112
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: little bit better. Well, he's the third round. I think

1113
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: that's I think that's a little bit more of a

1114
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: third round to get the best receiver in the league. Yeah, yeah,

1115
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: that's a that's a heck of a pick. Yeah. Absolutely.

1116
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: Samson Ecubam, who's been a part of their pass rush,

1117
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: it felt like he was part of their pass rush forever.

1118
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: Was a fourth round pick, like they no Boom Cody

1119
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: note Boom Cody is Wikeman or Wickman, I don't remember,

1120
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: but they found him in the sixth round. Um, they're good.

1121
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: The Confine starters on Day three have done pretty good

1122
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: at sixth and seventh round. It's just the ironic part

1123
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: is the fifth rounds and this is the year that

1124
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: they're sitting with four. Usually it takes us several years

1125
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: for you to be able to categorize how well the

1126
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: draft went for the Cowboys and all that. But if

1127
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: you had to, like, after we're done with the draft

1128
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: and looking at it, if you had to say, for

1129
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: this year, what would you call a good draft? That

1130
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: it turned out well for the Cowboys? What would they

1131
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: need to do in this specific draft to say right

1132
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: away before heading into the preseason that this was a

1133
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: good draft Heading into preseason, they need two guys start

1134
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: this year. So with you guys that start for sure,

1135
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: that'd be great heading into preseason. Yeah. Two, that seems

1136
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: that two. Bona five starters and a third that has

1137
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: a clearly defined role somewhere. The way that's probably going

1138
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: to happen is if they get a wide receiver, probably

1139
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: in the first round, and then get the guard in

1140
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: the second. It could happen other way too, right, Like

1141
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: they could go a guard in the first round and

1142
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: then get a I mean this wide receiver class supposed

1143
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: to be pretty deep, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean he could. Yeah.

1144
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: Could the receiver be better than James Washington and Michael

1145
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: Gallup's not ready? Yeah, yeah, that could happen. So guard receivers.

1146
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: I think that if that's the first two picks, the

1147
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: hope is that they're both going to be playing Week

1148
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: one of this season because they're gonna have to. Yeah,

1149
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, probably will the draft gods be that kind

1150
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: to them like that a guy that's good enough. Could

1151
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: you draft a second round offensive tackle and he's better

1152
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: than Terrence Steele? I mean that could that not happen?

1153
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: They're they're putting the eggs in that basket. But that

1154
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that he's Yeah, when I mentioned swing tackle,

1155
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: the fact is that swing tackle's coming in here, and

1156
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: if he's a young draft pick, he's competing with Terrence

1157
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: Steel to be a starter. Yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah, well,

1158
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: that's one of those things where I wonder, you know,

1159
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: the coaches are like, what are you talking about? Like

1160
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: Terrence Steel all day, every day unless unless we wind

1161
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: up with that's all that cross. That's exactly why I said,

1162
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: that's in my mind, because my mind may be very different.

1163
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, um Tyler Smith out of Tulsa,

1164
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: if he's hanging around in the second round, Abraham Lucas

1165
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: out of Washington State, um at tackles like edge Rusher though,

1166
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: like the good ones go pretty quick, like great ones

1167
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: aren't usually hanging around by fifty six and certainly not

1168
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: eighty eight. Yep y. So we'll see, we shall see,

1169
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: and we're almost done. We will have another show right

1170
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: before the draft, which is Draft Thursday, and we'll have

1171
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: a show on Wednesday. And Derek, get a snack. You're

1172
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: ready to go eating, Ryan, let's go. Sorry, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much for joining us live

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