1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Hey, what I welcome in. I'm Doug Gotli dishes, ohball 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: and a special ohball. We're gonna try and do that. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why don't we do it daily? I mean, 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: the truth is, I'm working for Westwood One, so I 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: got a chance to watch literally every game my job. 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: I watched every game and it's fun. It's a bit daunting, 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: but in it it provides I think need a chance 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: to take notes every night and wake up every morning 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: with your thoughts. I've also recently experienced exploring what a 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: head coaching opportunity would look like. And you know, look, 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: we've done a lot of things on this podcast for 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: a lot of stories. I'm not sure how many of 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: my own first person stories I've told. But we've also 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: talked about getting jobs, but maybe not all of the 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: different things that have to align in order for you 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: to get a job. So the job was Wisconsin Green Bay, 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you about it in a second. First, 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: I'll kind of work backwards through my brain. Arizona State 19 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: stops stops Nevada, and I was kind of a champion 20 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: of Nevada mid season. But if you watch them late 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: in the year, if you look at the substance to 22 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: their their schedule. If you know that the Mountain West 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: talent wise, is not a league at the top outside 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: of Sandy States really really good their machine. They won 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: the league, but there's substantially better in terms of cultural 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: wise and talent wise. I believe in the ways I believe, 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: and it generally plays out in the termament. Occasionally they 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: get nitted by somebody else. It's gonna be interesting to 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: see what happens in Utah State and Boise State. That 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: league got four teams in. That's a lot can say. 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: Ring It wasn't like it was a spectators. That league 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: benefited from the numbers, the net ratings probably more so 33 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: than any league in terms of who they actually beat 34 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: in a non confidence and what the numbers actually look like. 35 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: So that's given me a fast one. But I mean 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: the DFL on their Facebook, but they just they didn't 37 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: look nearly as talented as everything the state. Arizona State 38 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: obviously came out humming they're playing with great confidence that 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: There are some people that said even though Bobby Hurley's 40 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: team made the font still NAS's job, which is weird 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: because if you be around Arizon's saying you know that 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: you temper. It's weird, true thing. Everything is new in 43 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: their new buildings, you know, new parts of campus they 44 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: keep excading. The only the only thing that's not new 45 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: the arena. I mean, it's like fresh out of the 46 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies Byron Sky. I can come walking down the 47 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: hall in his old sweats like that makes sense. So 48 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: the Arizona State element to it, where some people thought 49 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: Bobby's name was his job, was really interesting. I don't 50 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: know how you fire a guy after team makes and 51 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: now maybe they're the team that makes the run out 52 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: of the first flour of them, because they looked incredibly dynamic. 53 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't think they shoot it that well and obviously 54 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: defensively in the second half they started giving up points, 55 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: not like water, but thinking there was some chances that 56 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: he had no answers none, and you know, sometimes you 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: had to remember, weren't like you take between Collins, weren't 58 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: Washington and Desmond Cambridge. Those guys didn't leave their schools, 59 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, And you talk about the starting point guard 60 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: in Michigan. He doesn't leave because he's playing. He left 61 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: because he wanted to expand his role and probably a 62 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: bit more than I am as in Cambridge, he was 63 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: already a bucket. This that thing it kind of topped 64 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: out at the bat, it will. So it's not like 65 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: you had guys that are leaving they didn't like whereas 66 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: you know Will Baker he went through some personal stuff. 67 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: It's a tough time when he was in Texas, but 68 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: he wasn't playing in Texas. So it's a step down, 69 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: and it's it's the true you know, transferred down a 70 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: level about which is Dewlo from the PAC twelve. And 71 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's lots of PAC twelve people they're like, yes, 72 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: we're still the better conference. I think PAC twel is 73 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: at the top. They finally better then not less, okay, 74 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: in Arizona and Ucla, and she was selling how to 75 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: full strength there obviously seated highway, but they're better, usc 76 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: significantly better. There's a state now significantly better. So this 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: so the thinking in the West has always been that way. 78 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: It was only solidified by last night. As for FDU, fairly, 79 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: fairly ridiculous, really Dickinson smashing Texas Southern. You know, I 80 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: think if you line those two teams up, you would 81 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: say that Texas Southern looks like they're the better ball club. Fairly, 82 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Dickinson was this better coach, better executed, but they did 83 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: look like eye level D two guys in terms of 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: smaller um. I'm not exactly sure why. I know everyone 85 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: says a look, I see Montel boys, we can beat them. 86 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: The more watch them want to beat them. I just 87 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: don't know what the purpose was of saying that, knowing 88 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: their TV cameras in the locker room. But whatever, it 89 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: doesn't really have an exact on the game. Per Who's 90 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: not gonna, oh, now we're going to smash. I don't go. 91 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: That's especially Produce. They're not a team that's snap walks 92 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: through anything. But it is going to be interesting. The 93 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: smallest team of the tournament point against the biggest, and 94 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: some of that stuff is skewed right like Perdue is 95 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: overall pretty big, pretty thick, pretty grown up, but it's 96 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: just cued because Zach Keaton's all of seven, three seventy four, 97 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: and that completely changes both the median and the meaning 98 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: the day of Florida. You got picked Mississippi State, You're 99 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: not Missisipi State. Hit a bunch of shots to open 100 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: the game and then regrets to the meaning, I just 101 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: if you're a great Elliott or if you're a great 102 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Elliot fan, you are continuing to thank the Good Lord 103 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: that MISSISIPI statement is a line up and shot when 104 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: you lose your man the two point seven seconds ago 105 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: and then the team doesn't box out and you hear 106 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: a participate. But I feel good for Jeff Taper. I mean, 107 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: some of the stuff when we went down to North Carolina, 108 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: Oh great, But that's just kind of the mentality it 109 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: has created us against the world. No one thinks that 110 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: we got this thing turned around. No one thinks we're 111 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: very good. I don't know if they if they how 112 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: much they helped the acc with that land, that doesn't hurt. 113 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: And for Jeff a guy who got a contract extension 114 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: early on and last year, there wasn't really the substance 115 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the year to back it up, 116 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: and he still, you know, he had this is a 117 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: dealer Johnson or whatever. I mean, I don't know why 118 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: he kept him. But that kid gets in trouble to 119 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: start the year, honestly, and then he really leads the 120 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: team to work at his mental health. Like I thought 121 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: that was. That's hard for a lot of coaches, and 122 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, they took some chances to try and fix 123 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: this thing, but Jeff backed it. And now the challenge 124 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: is going to be not just trying to continue in games, 125 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: but to try and back up that win with another way, 126 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: because if you can make a run, and look at 127 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: what happened with Wayne Kinko at Oregon State, he's still 128 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: there even though they won three games last year and 129 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't know they were like ten this year because 130 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: a five hundred year they won the packs Off tournament 131 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: and made a run the end saying for him, so 132 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: you can and I think Pitt has been more solid 133 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: recently than teams team I've been more solid at that 134 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: point in time, But that's not the point. The point 135 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: is that making the run gets you that a contract 136 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: attension gets you the breath you need to re establish 137 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: yourself in the program. And that win went a long, long, 138 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: long way. Then he had tech stand Courus Christie. I 139 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: thought that was a super competitive being. I mean, the 140 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: best game of the tournament in terms of how evenly 141 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: matched the teams were. But the problem is that you 142 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: know one Semo just couldn't get a stop down down 143 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: the stretch. But one reason they couldn't get a stop 144 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: was they were in foul trouble. And that's the lesson 145 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: for the NCAA tournament so far. If you're getting ready 146 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: to watch it, or if you're getting ready to play 147 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: in it, is sometimes borders are ridiculous. I'm tighty officiating 148 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: is and Simo got in such foul trouble that by 149 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: the time you get back into Man and Man and 150 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't talked to Brad Corn. I'd 151 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: like to have him on the pod. I'll reach out 152 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: to him, see when you get him sometime this weekend. 153 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: I would guess that Bradcorn didn't want to go his zone. 154 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: He's not really his done guy, but he felt like 155 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: they couldn't guard Techstam Corpus Christie and they couldn't guard him. 156 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: Not just because the stuff that that the Islanders ran 157 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: was so good. I also think that there is a 158 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: certain throw your hands up in the air. We can't 159 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: guard him because every time we do they call a 160 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: foul frothing. But I wonder if if b k this 161 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: Brad Corn. Of course, he was a really good player 162 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: at Southern Illinois. And now I've reached a point where 163 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: coaching against or coaching you know, other kids, kids whose 164 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: dads you played against, like Trey Young's dad, Ray Young, 165 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: was a great player at Texas Tech. You know I'm 166 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: now watching like that makes you feel old. You want 167 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: to feel even older you're watching. I'm watching head coaches 168 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: in college who I've covered in college, Red Corn back 169 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: when the Sluki's headed Roland Roland b Ka was there 170 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: as a player, and of course I've followed his career 171 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: during his time at can't status as Bruce's assistant. So 172 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: I do wonder if he didn't go zone in the 173 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: second half until the second half, because if you go 174 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: zone in the first half, they get to go in 175 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: the locker room and talk about how they want to 176 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: attack it, whereas if you wait to the second half, 177 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: it's much harder to make that switch on the fly. 178 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: But the problem with going to his zone late in 179 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: the game, probably going the zone anytime, is when you 180 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: come back out to your man a man, it's hard 181 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: to recreate that intensity. I thought they struggle with that, 182 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: but that's legitimate. But nonetheless, the Islanders move on and 183 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: they get to play Alabama. Who is it is just 184 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: so ridiculously long, tough, focused. I think the big question 185 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: for Alabama is can they avoid those games? They're the 186 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: team that if FDU played, you don't want to wake up, 187 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: you don't want to rattle their cage, because they slept 188 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: walk through that Oklahoma game and it was embarrassing. You know. One, 189 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: Oklahoma played very well. He's a hell of a coach. 190 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: You know, they really loaded up with physical against them. 191 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: But two, you know, Alabama did not bring the proper 192 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: level of intensity and they got their asses be So 193 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm if I'm FDU, that's the team 194 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: that I don't you know, I don't think it makes 195 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: any differences to do. Fox Sports Radio has the best 196 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our 197 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and within the 198 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app. Search are to listen live. All right, 199 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: let's get to my story of the day, which is 200 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: wisconstantin Green Bay. I got a chance to talk to 201 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: Josh Moon several times during the year after after they 202 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: had made their coaching job of Availing and my approach 203 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: to how I've done these things and this is not 204 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: the first time in which I've gone down the path, 205 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: but this was a different path because it was a 206 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, a low major mid major for the job 207 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: because there wasn't a direct tire connection, but mostly because 208 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: there's a low management job. I have told people that 209 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: for the right job, all I'll consider the radio element 210 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: to it. I would for the right thing, I would 211 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: give up the pod. I don't like give it up. 212 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: I love doing this and I do think there's a 213 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: very smart world where if I'm coaching, I can still 214 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: do this spot pod specifically and do it with coaches 215 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: and basketball people all over the world, all of the country, 216 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like a cheat code, right Like 217 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: these conversations I've had with doctor Smart, for example, have 218 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: continued to invigorate. I don't think it needs to be 219 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: reinvigorate invigorated. My hope at the right places out there, 220 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: the right fit is out there, and that you know, 221 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: if he can build a culture at Marquette where the 222 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: kids love each other, hang with each other, fight for 223 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: each other, and win with each other, that's that's what 224 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: I want to do. That's what I want to do. 225 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: And last year when I was coaching in Israel, that 226 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: also continue to invigorate or reinvigorate it that you have 227 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: that light on in your brain or the light out 228 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: in your soul that this is something I would really 229 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: like to do, but it has to be the right thing. 230 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: It has to be the right ad. You have to 231 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: have hit the right notes with the right message. So 232 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: what I what I have done over the last early 233 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: months is put together what I believe is a perfect 234 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: staff for that level in terms of how much do 235 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: they make and how much should they make? And how 236 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: do you get players, how do you get players in 237 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: the area, how do you get players in the portal? 238 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: And evaluate that level. One of the great things about 239 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: the position that I hold now where I call it 240 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: TV and radio games for a myriad of different conferences, 241 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: is when you get ready for the portal, I get 242 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: text from coaches all the time. Have you seen this, dude? 243 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Have you seen this dude? And by and large I've 244 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: seen a good portion of them. Not everybody. There's three 245 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three team, but it kind of re 246 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: established my belief in how search firms will work. And 247 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, UW Green Bay used the search firm. Yes, 248 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: search firms don't select coaches. I know. My partner on 249 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: our digital show on Stadium is Jeff Goodman, and forever 250 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: he believes that search firms sell coaches. Now, I don't 251 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: know about the conversations they had. I don't know how 252 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: much how much meeting is done, but I don't believe 253 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: that Parker had the search. I don't believe that they 254 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: had anything to do with Sundance Wis getting the job. Nothing. 255 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: I think this was very much a Josh Moon decision. 256 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: He has worked before with Sundance Wis and thence Wis 257 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: been a head coach at lower level four. He's an assistant. 258 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure he had really good people call for him. 259 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: He's got great energy. That place is going to need 260 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: great energy, and that's that's the reason that the hiro 261 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: was made. But the way in which the process works 262 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: is fascinating. You know. So step one was you had 263 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: to kind of in classic form, you know, fill out 264 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: an application and you know, look, I just think I 265 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: don't think anybody thinks anything left out for you and 266 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: you fill out an application. Now, in my mind, keep 267 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: in mind, I got three kids. My daughters are juniors 268 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: in high school, but they're one is not in the 269 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: traditional high school. She's in like a program with Arizona 270 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: State where she actually works at her barn and equestrian 271 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: every day. And then she classes online and the next year, 272 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: her senior year, it becomes honestly like college credits. It's 273 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: kind of a cool advanced program. I have her twin 274 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: sister wants to be in some sort of alternative I'm 275 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: good with school sort of thing. He's in a small 276 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: private school and would love to transition to something like that. 277 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: I have a son who's essentially in seventh grade, and 278 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: you know, you don't really want to move kids in 279 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: high school, but it did feel like it's a window 280 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: in time where you know, I could I could move them, 281 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: or I could be there and I could spend various 282 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: amounts of time with them. Again, that part was kind 283 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: of tricky, and that part was difficult in terms of 284 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: how is this all going to work? And that's the 285 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: one piece really that held me a little bit back 286 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 1: mentally and emotionally from going all in. But when you 287 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: when you have your interviews and you go all in 288 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: and you say you want you kind you got to 289 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: go emotionally all in because they don't they'll see through 290 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: it otherwise, you know, that's that's the way it works. Still, 291 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, they say everybody can spot a phony. I don't. 292 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: I wasn't phony about my interest, but I did think 293 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: it had to be right. So, um, you have to 294 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: have a good sense for budget. I thought I did. 295 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: But one of the parts to the job that I'm 296 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: sure at the end of the day it became m 297 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: it became a little bit of an issue was I 298 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't give up the radio. So the radio piece, to 299 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: me is a great promotion for what I'm doing as 300 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: a coach. It is in the middle of your day. 301 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: You do have to have a great staff, and I 302 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: was prepared to take less money than other coaches would, 303 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: probably than Sundance took, only in that I was going 304 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: to use that money for a higher level of staff 305 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: and a higher level of a competent staff mats so 306 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: that in my three hour recording window, I was able 307 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: to do my pop and do my radio show and 308 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: not have to worry about what was going on in 309 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: the headhouse. That makes sense to you. So the way 310 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: it works is you kind of fill out a application. 311 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta checkboxes, whether or not it's public institution, 312 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: whether or not you want those your name to be mentioned. 313 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: I didn't care. I never leaked it to anybody. I 314 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: didn't talk to anybody. I didn't tell anybody of my 315 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: interests or talking to them or where I was. You know, 316 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: there was one report that I would take the job. 317 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: I offer the job, but none of that, None of 318 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: that came from me. I didn't even use an agent. 319 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: The only time I use an agent was the day 320 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: before the decision was made. This is on Monday. I 321 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: was told I'm one of the last three people in 322 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: line for the job, and they send you a notice 323 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: member of understanding. So bitness is a weird thing. Monday, 324 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm flying home from Chicago during the Big Ten tournament. 325 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: I had visited Green Bank Saturday night, drew three hours 326 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: up there, met with the president, met with the athletic director. 327 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, I met with some lovely people on the committee, 328 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: all boosters of the Phoenix, and then I drove back 329 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: called the Big Ten Championship game. And I worked all 330 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: day Monday. And I was working all day Monday. Monday afternoon, 331 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I get on a plane. Right as I get on 332 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: a plane, I get a call from the search, the 333 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: search firm, telling me they're sending me a notice of 334 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: understanding and that the decision would be made the next day. 335 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: But in order to get through to that point. I 336 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: had to agree. I mean, I'm moment understanding. So on 337 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: the flight I read through the contract. But it's a 338 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: weird feeling right to be sitting there. And so I 339 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: that was the only time. I sent that to two lawyers, 340 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: one who had written my one who had been my agent, 341 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: and one who's a very close friend of mine, and 342 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: I just hey, can you look this over you? He 343 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: assigned this what do you do? And I didn't get 344 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: it back till mid morning. I sent it back mid morning, 345 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: and later on that afternoon I found out that sundanced 346 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: at the job. It's never offered to me. And you know, 347 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: truth be told, there were some mental hurdles I would 348 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: have had to overcome to get to that place, and 349 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: I would have had to kind of fired up the 350 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: line at my work. I had told my boss, Hey, 351 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: this is a possibility. I need you to think about it. 352 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: Here's how it worked, here's where I would be. What 353 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: do you think? And so he was very very supporting, 354 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: but it wasn't this is happening. It's been offered to me. 355 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: So I kept him in the loop. But had they 356 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: called me and offered the job, I actually wouldn't have 357 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: been in a position I go, yes, absolutely, I would 358 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: have had to call my boss, the food chain and 359 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff kosher, maybe adjust that contract. I don't 360 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: know what I would have done with Westwood One because 361 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: they wanted to announce it immediately, and my boss at 362 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: Westwood One I told me that for the NCAA tournament, 363 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: you can't be a working college coach to do what 364 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: I do. I don't know if that was the case 365 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: if I was working the head coach, but I do 366 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: know because I have recommended other people in the past 367 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that has come up. Nonetheless, 368 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: it was a fascinating experience. So here's the advice I 369 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: would tell you. Obviously, you have to have reduction a row. 370 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: You've got to know who you're going to bring with you. 371 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I think every one of you, if you're a coach, 372 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: you have a feel for who your closest friends are, 373 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: your closest allies are, but also understand not just who's 374 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: gonna call, but who's legitimately going to come with you. 375 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: Legitimate and everyone that I proposed to them could potentially come. 376 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: Had told me it kind of soft yes. You don't 377 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: get a hard yes, right because it's not so the 378 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: job is real, then you go, hey, would you come. 379 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: But I even had a staff meeting the day before 380 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: I met with the committee where we got in a zoom. 381 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: I had one gentleman whose a long time, really well 382 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: respected AU and high school coach who was going to 383 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: be a kind of my boots on the ground in 384 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: the area. I had him with me. And then I 385 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: had a couple of friends who I've coached with that 386 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I really trust. I had them a position for them 387 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: in mind. And then I had a long time friend 388 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: who I grew up playing some with, played in college, 389 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: is a coach and his connections would have been perfect 390 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: for that level and to get that quality of player. 391 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: So we had a staff meeting on I guess yeah, 392 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. Friday afternoon, we had a staff meeting. We 393 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: took notes, we put together our list, twenty three's, twenty 394 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: four's internationals, and of course the portal, and we talked about, 395 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, look, we get this thing. Here's how we're 396 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: going to get here's how we're gonna get to work. 397 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: Here's first order business, here's first thirty days. It was 398 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: all lined out in terms of who I had called 399 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: for me you know, look, every candidate is different. Obviously, 400 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: I had some big name people call for me who 401 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a while factor. I had 402 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: players who have played for me call and send text 403 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: messages of support, but also, you know, for me because 404 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, most people haven't seen me coach. They didn't 405 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: watch my copy games I coach and the TBT. You 406 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: know that that's a I played. We coached two games 407 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: with Oklahoma State, one game with Team twenty three. They 408 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: haven't seen my kind of process. They don't watch AU 409 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: games or you know. I think that the truest thing 410 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I said the whole time was it doesn't matter who 411 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: you hire. I've coached more games than them in the 412 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: last three years then they've coached their entire career. Because 413 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: coaching multiple levels of AU basketball, I'm not going to 414 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: lie to you and tell you that there's a level 415 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: of preparation for each game that you have out of 416 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: the places. But without any question, it's like speeding and 417 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: not all my teams play the same, so you can't 418 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: coach them the same. But there's all kinds of different situations. 419 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: And as much as you know, I try and get 420 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: everybody in in AU in college basketball, there's an element 421 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: to that. Right with the transfer portal, you've got to 422 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: get more guys in. And when I coached the MCCABI games, 423 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, the championship game, I probably could have gotten 424 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: all twelve. Ind I got ten in the first quarter, 425 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, and gave them all like a legit look 426 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: and a legit chance and didn't kill my momentum doing it. 427 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: So there's an experience, and I don't like to sub 428 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, if it was me, I six seven guys 429 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: is fine. The problem is that you don't know which six, 430 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: or having a going to plan a given night. I 431 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: don't believe in supping by a rotation. I just don't. 432 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that's how basketball should be coached because 433 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: every game is different players or different settings or different 434 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: feelings are different. Who's playing well, who's playing poorly is 435 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: different as well. I don't need to do a rotation 436 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: who I was playing well that night, whatever I feel 437 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: it's the best, that's what I would go with. But 438 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: I've actually coached more games than probably all those guys combined, 439 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: and I've done in the last three or four years 440 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: coaching multiple levels of inge, so I felt I felt 441 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: good about the process I felt good about my preparation, 442 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: I felt good about my ability to communicate what my 443 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: vision was. And it went another way. And here's the 444 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: other part to it, which is, so it's a The 445 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: way the experience went for me is, hey, it's an idea. 446 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: Then you know, you start to kind of put it together. 447 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: Then you wonder if you have a chance. Then you 448 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: start questioning yourself do you want this thing? So you 449 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: here's where here's where the analogy with the Lakers works. Okay, 450 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: you walk down the hall and you see all those 451 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: names and see those pictures of all those great Lakers. 452 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: And at some point after you've been there three, four 453 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: or five days, and you know the secretary's name, you 454 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: know the trainer's name, you know the massus's name. You know, 455 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: you feel like you have a relationship with the equipment manager. 456 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: The coaches not only call you by your name, but 457 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: your nickname. You have a locker that has your name, 458 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: even if it's in temporary like piece of paper. The way, 459 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know how your brain works, but the 460 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: way my brain works is, you know, it starts to 461 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: get good to you. You start to believe, okay, this 462 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: could happen, and you start to fat, you start to think. 463 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: You close your eyes and you imagine yourself playing for 464 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: the Lakers. This is back when they had Shack and Kobe, 465 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: you know. And when it becomes more real and you 466 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: feel like you do fit and you have a good practice, 467 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: or you get into a game and you do a 468 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: couple of things where you play well, right, when it 469 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: becomes more real and then you get cut, that's when 470 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: it really hurts, right, because if you're just there for 471 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: a try out and you don't think you can make it, 472 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: and you're not emotionally invested, well, that's the thing with 473 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: these jobs is if it's just a conversation or too 474 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: just an idea, just something you put on paper, it's 475 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: just something you have one conversation with an ad or 476 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: a search firm about, it's not a big a deal. 477 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Here's the crazy part. The last time around, my brother 478 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: Greg was down assistant with women in Grand Canyon. He 479 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: was finless so as he said, we're both we're both 480 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: the second choice for for green Bed. But the ironic 481 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: part is it's, like he said, it's like no one 482 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: sent me a memo of understanding, like to have that 483 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: piece of paper which I have saved in my files. 484 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: They still have my inbox. To get to be that 485 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: close to start doing that. And this is the hard one, 486 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: right start doing the real estate thing. Huh where would 487 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: I live? You know? Like I had a vision in 488 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: my mind and like you guys tell that all the 489 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: guys on my staff except for one, they wouldn't have 490 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: families for them. You know, one does that have family, 491 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: you know when you're divorced. So we'd all we'd all 492 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: be on some levels single even you know, like you 493 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: might have a girlfriend or something, but we'd all be single. 494 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: So I thought, like, this is the this is the 495 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: idea I had for the staff. It's like I'll buy 496 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: I was gonna like buy a townhouse or a house 497 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: where we could all live right and have the space 498 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: of maybe we get too, where we could all live 499 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: I'll hang out right kind of all roommates and just 500 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: all do stuff together, right, your new guys in a 501 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: new town and we're all working together anyway. Um. Anyway, 502 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: So you started like thinking those thoughts in your mind 503 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: and it starts to get real to you, and you know, 504 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: when you have the meeting with the committee, they're like, okay, 505 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: so what would you do? If you get named the 506 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: head coach, you know, Tuesday, Well, I guess I have 507 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: to get on a red eye fly to Chicago and 508 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: then you know, fly to Green Bay and after it. 509 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: You know, that's legitimately the way it works. So so 510 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: so here's kind of how I'm processing it in my brain, 511 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: because if I'm being my true and honest self, there 512 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: was there's a good portion of of did I really 513 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: want it? And that was what you know that that was, 514 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: that was what so many people asked, do you really 515 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: want it? And I would I probably I would. I 516 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: would have told you up until the moment that I 517 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: found out they hired someone else. I didn't totally know. 518 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: I think I wanted. I had a vision for how 519 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: the program would go. You know, they they're playing three 520 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: guarantee games. I wanted to play five next year. One. 521 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to show the players what it looked like, 522 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: what it felt like at the highest level. But I 523 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: also want to use that money to help fund the program. 524 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, I could take some else, you know, because 525 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: if you win three games before you get there, I'm 526 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: not winning three games. We're winning you know, fifteen to 527 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: eight team. That's my goal. But yeah, I'm okay taking 528 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: a nail every now and again. I've done this before. 529 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: Like one of the things when you again, when you 530 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: coach au basketball, there are games that you're going to 531 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: play that the game is over before it actually starts. 532 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: That's just you know, and that's what you haven't called. 533 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: And some guys egos can't take that, or they think 534 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: they're players egos can't take that. That's sort that's a 535 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: real thing. So I wanted to play five the first year, 536 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: four the second year, three the third year, and then 537 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: get to where you're playing and you know, maybe two 538 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: in your fourth year. And I wanted to have some 539 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: big opponent come in and and play play against us 540 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: in their downtown arena, which is where I wanted to 541 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: essentially move all of the games. But the the plan 542 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: was good and it felt like it was right. I 543 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: had a great beat on instate players. There's a lot 544 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: of mid major players who are from the state. Was 545 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: to have gone elsewhere, I wanted to transfer back, and 546 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: then I had a bunch of players in the portal 547 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: ready to go. So the net net of it is this, 548 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know for sure if I wanted it. I 549 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: knew for sure it would work. And then when I 550 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: got the call that I wasn't getting it, I felt 551 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: that same feeling that I had felt when I got 552 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: cut by the Lakers, which was damn. I really did 553 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: want it, I really did believe it. I really did 554 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: think it was going to work, and it really did hurt. 555 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: And it's okay, it's okay, And it's just like a 556 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: growth thing for me to admit you didn't get Like 557 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: coaches never admit they got fired. They never want to 558 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: admit they didn't get a job. You know, they listen, 559 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: I've decided to not pursue it or whenever, you know, 560 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: I think that's bullshit. I think just be honest. Hey, 561 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: I was up from the job and somebody else got it, 562 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: and good for him, he gets an opportunity. I have 563 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: no negatives there. I'm not going to sit here and 564 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, and do the every time a box score 565 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: comes out, hope that they lose games, that they made 566 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: the wrong choice. I can't think like that. That's just 567 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: we can't allow that level of negativity to be part 568 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: of your life. I still know that in my heart, 569 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: I'm the better choice. That's how you had to factor it. 570 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that that's not a good choice, 571 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: that that can't work for them. But I would probably 572 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: leave you with this thought, which is put it all 573 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: out there, put the plan together, put your heart and 574 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: soul into it. Really dedicate time and part of your 575 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: efforts to get it. And it's okay to not get it. 576 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: It's okay to be told no, you know those things. 577 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: These things are hard, as you guys know if you're 578 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: a coach, like this is what every coach told me. 579 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: These things are hard to get that while it seems 580 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty three of them teems like a 581 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: gigantic number. Okay, think of and people have asked me 582 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, why haven't should coach before? 583 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: Why haven't you gone into being assistant? And here's the answer. 584 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Chris del Conte about being 585 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: the head coach CDC, and I go way back. He 586 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: was actually my brother's roommate at Hal Polly San Luis 587 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: Obispo when he was an associate athletic director and my 588 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: brother was like going to grad school but an assistant 589 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: on Jeff Snyder's staff when they first went Division one. 590 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: So I had a conversation with him and he said, Look, man, 591 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: you would be awesome. He's like, but I think you'd 592 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: be an incredibly dynamic coach and recruiter, and I just 593 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can hire you at this 594 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 1: level right away. Now this is before I established myself 595 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: a bit more in broadcasting, and look, maybe they'll still 596 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: be athletic tractors running that. But I went down to 597 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: the lobby of the coaches hotel and I remember looking 598 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: out the lobby and seeing like two thousand coaches and 599 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: thinking that there was likely two thousand resumes of all 600 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: those guys because they all wanted a job. And I 601 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: remember thinking, I have a job in broadcasting where there's 602 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: where you know, I'm one of a pool of a hundred. 603 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: In college coaching, you're one of a pool of three thousand, 604 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: four thousand for each job. And so with that in mind, 605 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: I just thought this was a better smarter I was 606 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: just doing the math in my head, right, So that's 607 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: always my think, why not pursue it, because why would 608 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: I put myself in a pool? Why would I go 609 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: to be an assistant and put myself in a pool 610 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: of like, remember, there's three hundred and sixty three jobs, 611 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: there's three assistants on staff, you do the math. You're 612 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: putting yourself in a pool of thousands and thousands of candidates, 613 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: whereas when you're in broadcasting you're in a pool of 614 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty two hundred candidates. That's the 615 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: thought of my mind. Anyway, I will tell you when 616 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: I got that call, it hurt, which tells me and 617 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: this is how my brain works. I wanted it, and 618 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: I didn't get it, and we move on. 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