WEBVTT - #412 - Erick Sermon 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.560 Y know, what's up is Eric some of the Green 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:03.480 Knighted Bandit half of EPM D you throw the Death 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.199 Squad check me out on the Bootleg cat podcast. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:14.000 Yeah, Bootleg Cab Podcast special guests. Didn't hear a legend. 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.040 Eric Sermon is in the building. Welcome, So what's up? 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:18.200 What's going on? Man? 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.960 H You know, just I was just telling my boy 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.200 that it feels strange because it's a long time to 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:26.840 be back on the to be back on the scene 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.200 and doing the promos and doing something that now is 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.479 podcast like you and different type of things. So this 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.000 is a little strings though, But I'm cool. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:35.800 Yeah, man, I mean, look, you've been through it all, 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.760 you know what I'm saying. It's crazy because you somehow, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.000 like not a lot of people can say that they 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.400 have the longevity to have been through every era of 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.720 music in terms of like you went from cassettes to 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.640 CDs to streaming napster. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.600 I did all of it, yeah again, from nineteen eighty 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.400 eight to twenty twenty four. It's a long time. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.400 That's a long time, man, And there was so many 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.000 different hats, whether it's being a record executive, whether it's 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.600 being behind the scenes producing right now it's just it's 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.720 a lot, man, this is a I flash back on 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:09.360 it again. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.360 It's a it's a blessed career to be having and 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.680 to still be here and then being in front of 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.520 y'all doing you know, with all the young people and 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.520 letting them know what time it is, you know a 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.800 few things, what's going on, and so in the name 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.480 of music, you know. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.320 Yeah, well, like let me give you my so I 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.880 as I'm thirty seven. I just turned thirty seven. So 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.280 when I was a kid, I first got hip to 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.800 Death Squad, right, yes, So that was how I was 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.280 introduced to you because I was a Red Man fan, right, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.959 and Method Man and Red Man and and and that's 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.640 how I got hip to like Keith Murray. But I 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.560 was the kind of kid who I still have all 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.640 my source magazines on my double ex sales, so I 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.280 would go back and like do my research on the 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.080 five Mic albums and stuff like that. So the first 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.640 album of EPM D that I bought, I bought a 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.320 used at the warehouse and it was I think it 0:01:58.360 --> 0:01:59.800 was your third album. It was the one that had 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.400 to with Redman and the record with LL. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.280 Yes, that's business as usual. The RAM page, Yeah, with 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:05.120 the cops on the front. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.400 Yeah. Yeah, and and so that was my first introduct 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.280 because I was like new E P, M D, E 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:10.639 P and D. 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.000 Right, so that was kind of like I have you 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.799 mentioned that because that would that ended up getting the 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.080 full mic on that record. 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.680 Right, yep. Yeah. But it's funny like just like like 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.040 like my era of like hip hop was like like 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.120 late nineties of course, yeah, I know, early two, but 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.000 I got to you know, I got to kinta go 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.320 back and like get the Brand Nubian album and get 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.000 all the Tribe ship and get the EP and D 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.840 ship and right. So but nah, man, it's been dope 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.079 to see just kind of like your like evolution. Talk 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.280 to me about like the new project, because it's you're 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.160 doing like collapse with everybody. I know, the new singles 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:46.040 got something pep on it. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.560 Like yeah, well I had the idea of doing COVID time, 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.480 you know what I'm saying, So COVID stop things. But 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.880 before the Hip Hop fifty, I always had ideas of 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.440 just my colleagues not being here. I just figured that 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.880 you know, you never know, all of us are still 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.600 here just because you got young people, we still have 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.960 us that's living too. People want to hear music, but 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.720 they stop making music. So I wanted to facilitate that. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.080 I wanted to be able to say, you know what, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.160 let me make records on people that come from the 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.240 era that people would love to hear if they was 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.920 able to make music. So that's what the dynamic duels 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:21.919 came into play at. So so I wanted to get 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.560 of course, like it's like twenty five rap groups. Yeah, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.040 that'll duels. So but I just picked it for the 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.239 volume one. What I can get off now. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.040 So for you, it was the inspiration was like, let 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.640 me do this now because I have this idea now 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.920 because like you said, during COVID, we were losing people. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.400 You never know when people are gonna be here, not 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.560 going to be here. Who all's on the project? 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:48.360 Yeah, the project is loaded. It's lowly, I got Biggie 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:53.120 Smolden Tupac. It's gonna blow everybody's away. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:54.560 These are are these unheard verses. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.600 It's not I don't to me, they are not unheard, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.520 but the way I put it together, okay, it just 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:12.240 sounds new. Okay, low waiting game, Mob deep, m O 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:13.520 P whether meth. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.680 Do you have mob deep and MP in the same home. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.400 No, this is the dynamic duals. Let me get two people. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:23.280 Okay, two people and you handing production, right, Okay. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:28.120 Cyper's Hills, Dog Pound E P M D. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:34.440 Of course this is impressive so far. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.880 I think I caught anybody. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.000 I think. I mean, that's a lot. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.960 I said, Snoop and Nate though, right, no, you didn't. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:56.320 Snoop and Ate. Jesus So for you, like I always 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.919 wonder as a producer, right like, if you know, like 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.599 let's say the Biggie and the Tupac song, do you 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.960 already have that beat made or do you get the verses? 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.080 And do you know. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.719 I have it? As a producer, you got records. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:09.240 You know what I'm saying. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.640 You make certain stuff if you don't. If you don't 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:12.440 have it, then you make it. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.159 I was gonna say, when you hear those two verses 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.400 from Biggie and POC, does that inspire you to make 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.000 the beat off of those verses or did you already 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:18.160 have it? 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.200 I already had something that I wanted. I wanted to 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.760 make sure that I didn't want to make a regular record. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.640 I don't want to make just a hip hop record. 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.919 I want the rock because both of them is best 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.680 best on melody and more R and B's type situations. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.560 So that's what I based my thing on when I 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.320 had when I was making it like Okay, I want 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.160 to make it a song song, something that Biggie will 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.000 rock on, something that pop will rock on too. It 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.000 feel comfortable, and most of them they records are melody. Yeah, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.440 you know it's not really the hip hop you know. 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.680 You know we've had we have so many different attempts 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.200 at well known producers that we all love and know 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.440 that haven't done the best job. I would say with 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.360 certain Tupac or Biggie records after they passed. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:05.200 I like, as the fun me, I just felt that 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.680 it wasn't something that I was trying to do to 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.800 make the biggest record. Just did what felt good to 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.760 me the day it was. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.120 When something I feel like it's all about, Like if 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.280 I could hear them like actually being on that record 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:22.760 when they were alive, That's. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:27.760 When it makes it crazy because I think that they 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.640 probably would have been friends later on. I think that 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.560 all that be for the stop eventually because of what 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.520 they had before that. But but but the way I 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.640 did it, you would think they were in there together. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.159 Oh that's fire. I was gonna say, you had like 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.719 a really early opportunity to work with Biggie right before 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.240 before we really knew who he was. Is that yeah? 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:48.760 I mean yeah. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:49.839 I mean. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.520 My story is ill on artists. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.120 Because you do have you do have because. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.480 You know, because but my sus documented as far as 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.520 people talk, Rick Ross on my basement, fifty cent in 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.039 my basement, fucking Luke crist on my door, the game 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.280 Wu Tang Clan, Ray Kwon says, I almost signed with Eric, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.240 like you know, I mean this this thing of Mine's 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:21.720 what I was able to see. And Biggie Small's on 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.520 my first video set to Well my man brought him 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.160 to the barbershop. Okay, let me to see. And then 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.560 when I shot Hit and Switches, my first single, he 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.440 was around the whole time. Why I do every scene? 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.480 You know? Then he told Tracy Waple was like, yo, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.320 I want to go on that Everic Sermon album. But 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.920 already had artists already, and then I had, you know, 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.160 I had my own groups, so I wasn't trying to 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.960 do something new. But at that time I could have 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.000 you know, probably would have had. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.680 That, did you because I know Biggie had like a 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.880 buzz going around New York. But at that time, did 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.440 you kind of see what eventually ended up coming to be? 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.160 You know, like I didn't. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.480 Again, my concentration wasn't on that because I had my 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.880 You had your own, Yeah, you know, I have my own. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.120 Because his squad was the biggest thing running, right you know, 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.040 Like so that's the effects of Redman and Eric So 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.280 I mean e pm D. Yeah, the biggest ship running. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.040 So it was like so at the time, it wasn't 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.000 me looking at anything else. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.640 You know, talk to me about Redman Man because I 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.240 think somehow he's turned out to be one of the 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.320 more slept on rappers ever, because he's one of the 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.880 greatest of all time. And I think, like, you know, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.000 I just saw the the reaction online from some of 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.000 the young people when Killer Mike won his Grammy, which 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.640 he deserved and he deserved to win it because he 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.640 had the best rap album. But I feel like these days, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.679 like a guy like Red Man, like you know, when 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.800 I'm growing up, like Redman's like the Goat, you know 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.200 what I mean, Like Muddy Waters, there's a dark side 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.200 and blackout and go on and on and on. Death squad. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.480 What was it like kind of like being around Red 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.280 Man early, Like, what did you see in him that 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.600 you know kind of had you bring him into the fold. 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.840 Is this the metaphors, the way that he rhymed, you know, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.160 the the wordplay. Everything about me was as far as 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.120 the rappers that I was able to get like that's 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.439 affecting them as everybody was Keith Murray, everybody has something different. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.840 Keith Murray had these big words. Reggie had you know, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.640 I got a's bitch, you know, the eminem like you know, 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.480 as far as crazy they that effects changed the game 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:31.040 because you had all these groups that either immolated them 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.120 or made records doing the igoity. And when you get 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.320 a call from Ice Cube saying you want you know 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.880 what dotics, this is Cube calling you know what I'm 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.360 saying to put them on the record. You know that 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.439 these guys are making an impact. So but again, but Reggie, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.040 it was this that I think that I saw him 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:52.040 at a club and knew it called Sensations and he 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.320 was with do it All from Lords of the Underground. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.640 Do It All rhymed and Reggie was his DJ. But 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.720 then again he became Lords and but he was like 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.440 my man rapped and Reggie had one line. He said, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.520 I float like a butterflies, thing like the rock group. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.320 I thought it was going to be like, you know, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.240 like a thing like a bee, but he the metaphor 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.960 went float like a butterflies thing like a rock group. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.079 So order to make him like, yo, nobody does this 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.800 at this time nineteen ninety one or two. 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:24.520 Crazy. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.840 He was already ahead, you know, so I'll talk to him, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.520 and it was fast. I'm like yo. He Reggie was 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.440 so ill that I gave him my number, but not 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.680 I didn't write it down, he remembered. He remembered it. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.800 That's how it used to be back at the day though. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.920 You might meet a girl in the mall and like 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:48.959 she'll tell you her number, but she will write it down, 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:49.480 and it's. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.760 Like and he said it a couple of days for 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.440 him to realize what the number was, and a few 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.960 days later he called the phone but he had to 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:58.880 remember the number. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.680 That's crazy. What was that conversation like like I'm trying to. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.520 No, It's just like it wasn't no coping me. I'm 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.199 just I'm a nonch a lot person. So at the 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:07.679 end of the day, like, yo, you want to do this, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.280 and plus he's he's a fan. He don't believe this 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.800 is happening. Like, oh shit, I'm on the phone with Eric. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.959 He's viting me over So that was it. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.760 That's crazy, man. How do you feel about like, because 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.040 I feel like hip hop these days is like I 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.080 always tell people, if you want to find good shit, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.240 you got to like it's there, you just have to. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.320 It's just not being pushed, like like we just talked 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.880 about the Killer Marke thing. But in terms of like, 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:32.839 you know, you've been wrapped up in certain like hip 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.200 hop beef situations, and nowadays it's I feel like it's 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.240 it almost might be more amplified these days than it 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.000 was back then because back then you had to go 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.520 spend money to pick up the Source and or the 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.440 Vibe magazine and read the interview in which a rapper 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.560 was calling out another rapper, or go buy a DVD 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.040 or whatever. These days, you just open your phone and 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:58.640 there's thirty blogs talking about whatever contexts going on. Like, like, 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.240 how do you feel about like the current state of 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.720 like hip hop in terms of the media, Well, I mean. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.240 Listen to me. It made it accessible to everybody, which 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:13.440 is a cool thing. But I just think that the 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.079 oversaturation of music took the excitement away from it. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.439 Definitely, you know, if it's something coming out and something. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.760 Like waiting for Tuesdays for two Yeah, waiting for that 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.480 though too. But to make a long story short, I 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:30.360 feel like, to me, music is making a comeback and 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.680 if people aren't seeing that, then they're going to be 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.560 in trouble because I'm here with you at this time 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:44.320 in my career, yeah, making music, and I'm gonna make 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.640 sure that the music is what we know music to be. Like, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.320 I'm not trying to play the game of what everybody 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.240 else is doing. Everybody already doing that and people are 0:12:55.240 --> 0:13:01.280 getting tired and it's being proven. The sampling that hit 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:06.160 maker is doing meanwhile, like taking old records, it's changing 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.560 the tempo back. Who caresus Foxy Brown? The Temple's back? 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.640 Who cares if it's branded, it makes the temples back. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.480 So that's what's changing the game. Even if they are sampling, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:19.480 it's still changing. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.680 People don't realize that tempo. Like, yeah, it's like like 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.319 the eighty five to like one hundred bpm records are 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.880 like faring few between these days. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.080 It's like, but it's changing. So that means that music 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.000 is going to be put back in the forefront of 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:38.400 what music feels like to feel good inside, just soul, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.240 to make you who if they're still dancing because I 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.320 went to a party whatever, they are sitting there with 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.400 their phones and bottle and we're standing at the intersections 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.480 anymore girls and talking to guys. God, ain't talking to girls, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.200 Like what type of is this? This is what we're living in. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.599 But I just feel that at this time, music is 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.560 making a change. That's why everybody's coming. We ain't gonna 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.280 name no artists though, but a lot of artists came 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:04.920 out and fucked up and they had to go back 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.480 in the studio and make rap records. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.160 A lot of people, well, I want to shout out. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.680 Twenty one Savage just put out an album that was 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:16.079 heavy on substance, heavy on raps, and a lot of 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.480 people wouldn't have exp I mean, I I've kind of 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.280 paid attention to his evolution over the years, but his 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:21.120 new album is crazy. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:25.760 keV. What we're talking about is not foreign. The game 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.880 is done shifted, I agree. And if people don't wake up, 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.000 they're going to be in trouble. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.040 They're gonna get left at the bus stop, man, exactly. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.000 And then I'm not sitting here to be be hating 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.280 in the hole. And this and this and that. This 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.960 is just the way it's at and we and there's 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.200 there's moves being made that people don't know about yet 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.600 that that that some of the people that we know, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.080 the powers that be, aren't gonna be in there. Yeah, 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.680 and they're about to move this thing forward. So now 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.960 talent gon with no no algorithms, no how many likes 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.480 you got, none of that stuff. It's all about are 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.480 you ill and are you dope? That's where we're headed to. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.000 That's how it used to be. You know, when I 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.320 was growing up, it was like yo, of course it 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.680 was it was about the bars. It was about who 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.640 had the crazy you know, Neil Armstrong freestyle. You know, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.480 like but all the big. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:20.240 Writers like my man got a group coming out to 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.400 this Sun with Usher's the girl what's the Girl's name? 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:28.680 But not You're the Simions. But they didn't go to 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.280 the new people. They went to the Brian Michael Cox's, 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:38.000 the Dreams, the you know, these people who write music 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.880 like the Money Love song. This is where this is 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.880 where we're going. Even Victoria money. But what she did, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.920 she wrote an incredible crazy for sure. So this is 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.800 where we at somebody who took her fifteen years he said. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.359 So again, the talent is going to outweigh the popularity. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.120 This is where we're at, and people can this is 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.960 where we're going. So and so me being out to 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.400 I give my assessment on what I feel for young 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.520 people to know, because this is important. I don't come 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.600 because I'm I'm a person who's who's the so called 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.000 old head, right, you know, I've never been broke in 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.920 my life, never gonna be. So I don't come from 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.920 a point where somebody who's mad because I'm not in 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:22.280 the game. 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.560 No, you ain't never went nowhere. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.920 I'm in it. To also let you know that for 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.560 thirty five years, when you get called, you can go, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.560 you can go perform, you come and watch you. Yeah, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.120 this new era, nobody coming to see them. So if 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.360 they didn't save or have somebody do something for them, 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.000 that person who turns our age is not going to 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.320 be trying to go see fuck pussy as shit whatever. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:49.240 It won't match. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.000 Now I say this and like I don't you know, 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:57.040 fifties obviously generation after you, but I just went to 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.440 the fifty concert right the tour, and I was just like, God, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.200 I miss this, like people not wrapping over their fucking tracks, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:04.720 like you know. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.879 What I mean, that's the that's the crazy too. And 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.320 some of our veterans are doing that. I'm like, where 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.160 you learning at that? How are you riving over to bea. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:12.680 Yes like people did that. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:17.680 It's crazy, so so so so this Shulman Ship, Yeah, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.840 all this comes into play again with all the toys 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:25.400 that's going the new people is struggling, all the vetermans sold. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:31.119 Out now sold out, fifty roll out, every beyond everybody 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:37.480 that's the veteran had no problem touring. Yeah, I know 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.720 you and DJ Quick have worked together. I always kind 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.360 of equate you, and first of all, Quick is one 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.119 of the greatest of all time, as are you. But 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.080 I always kind of equate both of you guys as 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:52.520 being like somehow underrated producers because I don't think people 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.639 understand like Quick as like one of the greatest producers 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.359 of all time, and you're not too shabby yourself. What 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.720 are some of your like bigger production place. But for 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:02.240 people who. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:08.560 Don't know, I love David, but nobody did what I did. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.399 When it comes down to records produced R and B 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.840 and hip hop music, I'm my track records too big. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.280 I just mean, like explain, like tell us because I 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:20.280 feel like a lot of people who are. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.520 Watching this don't know you're Yeah, because again I've been 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.800 starting off R and B and since Jodis sis Mary, 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.600 since Chico the Bar, since de Angelo says, s w 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.440 V sus in Vogue, since Black Street. These records were 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.560 done by me. These are all R and B records, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.959 from the Keith Sweats all the way down. This is 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.040 me at R and B level, right with the biggest 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.760 of the biggest at the time, and so so so 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.359 now you're talking about when you're talking about rap music, 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.560 I did everybody and and so whatever you want to name, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.160 you want to name, name. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.920 Like what do you think is like like, because there's 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.240 people who are watching this who might not know who 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:56.840 you are. So give me like your if you had 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.119 to say top five biggest songs, people would just know, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.160 it's off the top of your head, off the top 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.240 of your hand. You got so many. Yeah, just that 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.080 you made that that we don't know because you're not 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:09.320 rapping on him or not, you know what I mean? 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.280 Like people, nobody's looking at the credits anymore. Back in 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:13.960 the day, used to get the booklet, used to go through. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.680 Yeah yeah, but but but the kids, the kids won't 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.760 know that because again how how how because the way 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.359 I'm again myself was mostly was mostly nineties, right, you 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.280 know what I'm saying. So again, if I said if 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.239 I did four three two to one, you know by 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.040 l with llokuj with with dm X, and then at 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.159 one time if I did both, how high is on 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.520 reather meth? People don't know that. Oh reather MEPhI is 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.840 your Yeah, that's my those are my boys. Yeah, I 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.520 did all of them, the Blackouts, Blackout one too, so 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.760 all them too, and then again me with fifty cent 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.399