WEBVTT - One on One: Kathleen Wilhoite 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:14.520 I am all in. Oh, let's kiss you. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.640 I am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.880 Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcasts one 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.360 of them productions iHeartRadio. One on one interview with my 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:36.839 sister Liz Danes. Kathleen Wilhoyt Here she comes. Let me 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.400 give you some of her staffs. She played the role 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.559 of Liz for sixteen episodes two thousand and four two 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.879 thousand and seven. First appearance season four, episode twelve, A 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:50.519 Family Matter. Last appearance, season seven, episode twenty two, bon Voyage. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.440 Liz is the younger sister of Luke Danes. She was 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.320 born and raised and stars Hollow. Follow her mother's death, 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.000 Liz began to cut loose and get into trouble, including 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:04.679 smoking pot. She met Jimmy Mariano at a festival. The 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.200 two married and Liz gave birth to a son, Jess Marianno. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.560 Jimmy left her right after the birth of Jess, and 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.120 Liz began a series of bad relationships, drug problems, had 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.959 trouble keeping a job, and was unsure of how to 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.319 raise her son. Let me tell you something a little 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.200 bit about Kathleen Wilhoyd's career, and it's an amazing one. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.000 She began acting in theatrical production as a child the 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.040 Santa Barbara Youth Theater. She attended the University of Southern 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.960 California before studying acting at the Lease Strasbourg Institute in 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.480 Los Angeles. She made her feature film debut in Private 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.959 School nineteen eighty three, before having a leading role in 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.000 Murphy's Law nineteen eighty six, followed by supporting parts in 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.240 Witchboard in nineteen eighty six, Crossing Delancey nineteen eighty eight, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:59.200 Roadhouse nineteen eighty nine with Patrick Swayze, Lorenzo's Oil nineteen 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.120 ninety two. Show also had notable guest starring roles on 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:07.360 several series during this time, including Twin Peaks nineteen ninety. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.640 Beginning in nineteen ninety four, will Hoyd appeared as Chloe 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.680 Lewis in the recurring guest staring role on the series 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.440 Er and voiced the role of the titular character on 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.000 the ABC animated series Pepper Ann nineteen ninety seven to 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.400 two thousand. Other notable film roles during the nineties include 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.680 science fiction thriller Fire in This Guy in nineteen ninety three, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.400 and the survival film The Edge nineteen ninety seven. In 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.520 two thousand and three, she was cast in a recurring 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.440 role as Liz Danes on Gilmore Girls, and has subsequently 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.240 had guest staring roles on Criminal Minds, Grey's Anatomy, Jane 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.359 the Virgin, and in twenty twenty she a guest starred 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.320 on an episode of Yellowstone and Coat. Can most recently 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.400 be seen in CSI Vegas, Ladies and Gentlemen, I give 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.800 you my sister, Kathleen Willhoyd. There she is, Hi, Sis, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:06.280 you doing good looking, great, great backgrounds. We uh you 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.120 know the fan we are just such huge fans. The 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.160 the there needs there needed to be more Liz more TJ. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:18.720 It was the most hilarious stuff. Uh. We are lauding 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:25.720 the performances. Just absolute comic genius and just heartfelt great stuff. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.720 Tell us how you got your start in show business? 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:29.680 How did it all begin? 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:35.160 Oh? Uh, I was a kid that came out of 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.600 the shoots saying watch me. So I was like a 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:42.080 natural born theater dork. And I started singing in my 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.320 church choir as a you know, in kindergarten, and I'd 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.920 get the solos, so, you know, whatever, I started getting 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.680 involved in musical theater, just a theater kind of dork 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.760 dorky kid. And then in high school I dated Tony 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.640 Edwards and Eric Stoltz, you know, at first and then 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.320 Eric and both those guys were working in to Anthony 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.840 Edwards and Eric Stoltz. Anthony or Tony had an age 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.960 and manager. They had the same manager, this guy Gary, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:17.320 And they invited Gary to my senior class play was 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.320 House of Blue Leaves, and Gary came to the play 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.159 and I didn't hear from him. And then I went 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.080 down to college at USC. I was there for about 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.080 six weeks. Gary calls me. He's like, listen, they want 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.080 a comedian to play sixteen. Why don't you go to 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.520 this address? And they want to meet you. So I 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.040 go to the address. It was a huge house, as 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.640 this guy ben Ephrem's house. They were having a party, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.400 so I just almost assumed I had the part. I 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.160 didn't even know that it was necessarily an audition, and 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.120 they said, hey, will you read with Phoebe Kate's I 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.159 was like sure, but you know, just that kind of 0:04:55.240 --> 0:05:00.240 bullet proof naive ta. I just didn't have any I 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.839 never really beat the streets. I wasn't like nervous, because 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.480 I didn't. I just went from lead in the high 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.599 school play to of course they want me kind of 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:16.840 a mentality. Since then, I've had rumorous humbling blows time. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.680 I was like pretty freaking bulletproof. And then I just 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.800 so I went upstairs red with Phoebe. She was great fun. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.880 And then that was on a Friday, and then drove 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.400 to the set on a Monday. So yeah, so my 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.400 whole life changed in a weekend. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.280 It was meant to be. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.560 I guess. I mean, I didn't really think that I 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.200 was going to do anything else, but I just liked 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.279 singing and acting. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:47.799 Right, So do you remember the audition for Liz. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:54.920 No, because there wasn't an audition. I was. They offered 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:59.880 me the part, and I I love getting offers and 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.679 not auditioning to such an extent that if they offered 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.960 me the part of you know, a day player person 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.720 who changes porta potties, I would take it. I was 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:19.400 just like, what audition I'm in? And so I I, uh, yeah, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.880 they offered me the part. I was thrilled. And then 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.880 I do have a memory with you because day one 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.920 was the eight page scene I think around I feel 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.120 like it was all about finding pot or something. But 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.840 it was an eight page scene. That's not anything that 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.159 I was ever used to at the on Er or 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.240 any of the other shows. You sit in the makeup 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.600 trailer trailer, you look at your lines. I got it, 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.479 and then you put on the set because you have 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.159 like two three lines in a big scene. This was 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.920 a mind screw, like a mind. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.040 I know what you want. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:58.760 It was crazy. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.040 It sounds like duck, yes. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.760 My duck, and you you know you are doing a 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.760 First of all, it's totally stylized, which my age. They 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.680 told me before I showed up on the set, they 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.160 were like, listen, you gotta talk fast. That's the style 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.280 of this. It's like doing Moliere, is what I tell 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.440 my students. Doing Gilmore Girls is like doing a period piece. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.800 It's a different language and you have to know it. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.360 You have to be word perfect. So it was a 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.200 huge trial by fire for me to be to have 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.360 to do an eight page scene from my very first 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.640 scene with an offer, only because I always feel like 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.920 I'm going to get fired, like they're going to find out, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.000 you know what I mean, no talent that I am 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.040 or whatever. And but you were very patient with me, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.680 and there was a lot of like back to one, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:08:02.360 like you said, uh instead of like what yeah, you said, Uh, 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:07.160 It's it's okay. Back to one here we come. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.640 Yeah. Perfect. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.080 The minute my head hit the pillow, I was like, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.400 it was crazy. That's hard work. My hat's off to you. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.000 You did that for years and years. You must be 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.280 really good, Lauren said. It's like a muscle, and you 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.600 just get really good at at memorizing, you know, right, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:29.280 you know. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.800 Being It's like it starts out like you said, it 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.240 starts out as panic, yeah, and then you just get 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.760 acclimated to it and then it just becomes like She's right, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.120 it's like a muscle, and it's short term memory. You 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.920 don't remember a thing you did the day before, maybe 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.320 maybe twenty forty eight hours. It's just washed out to 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.640 make room for the new stuff to come in. Because 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.960 and that's just kind of how you function. Yeah, it's odd, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.680 it's odd, that's. 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.400 Crazy, and you did that for years. Did so what 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.800 was your preparation for a scene, like for that eight 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:07.079 page scene, like, did you get into a a big 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.920 kind of thing? How'd you prepare? 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:14.040 Just mainly it was George Bell. We'd just run it 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.360 until it was sop bulletproof. You know, just run it 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.800 and run it to death, and run it to death, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.959 and run it to death. And you know, I always, 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.480 I always knew the acting would take care of itself 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.640 because there wasn't a lot of acting going on. It 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.640 was a lot of blocking and attitude and tone and 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:39.480 pace and that sort of like served everything that. I mean, 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.520 it filled and filled in everything you needed to fill in. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.680 But it was really just like I remember Gavin Palone 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.960 had this conversation with me season one because there were 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.120 a couple first couple episodes we were all kind of 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.880 getting we were a little clunky, you know, and we 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.800 were kind of blowing takes and stuff, and like one 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.880 day I was just really strong and I just was 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.960 like it was you know, you get that you start sweating, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:10.720 like I'm not going to be able, and so he said, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.640 just just listen, just come in cold. You got to 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.640 know it cold. And I and I know that I 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.400 always did that in theater in New York and I 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.800 knew it, but this this was a different animal. It 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.240 was You're right, it was the pace of it that 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.400 you had to get used to. It's like it's like 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.360 what they described, you know, college players going into the 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.679 NFL freaking out because it was like, these guys are 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.920 so fast, the game is so fast. I can't adjust. 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.080 So you have to make that adjustment. And you know 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.520 if they I think anybody could do it, you know, 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.000 you're you're put your back against the wall and you're 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.440 forced to do it or else lose your job, lose 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.760 your livelihood, lose your career. You know you're going to 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:55.160 do it right, So you figure out a way. So 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.960 you have been part Uh and this is from Jessica 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.160 from Saint Louis. You've been part of so many other 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:06.760 TV series. What still stands out to you about your 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:12.560 time on Gilmore Girls? Okay, I really have to ask. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.080 What was it like working with Michael Dea Louise. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.679 Oh, Michael is fantastic. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:20.360 Oh my god. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.080 We were fast friends, you know if they cast a 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:29.840 show correctly. Uh, there's chemistry, like he is my cup 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.080 of tea, I'm his cup of tea. We had a 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.719 blast hanging out. He's peculiar in a way that I 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.760 feel like I understand I'm peculiar in a way that 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.680 he understands. He became a very good friend. Now since 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.360 Gilmore girls. You know how, I don't see him. He's 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.120 not a part of my life at all, you know, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.680 other than I have like if he posts something like 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.960 when his father died or his mother died, I was like, oh, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.960 that's got to kill that guy, because I know how 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.960 she was so important to him. And David Delouise was 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.800 also on the show for a while, but he was 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:11.320 a very good friend, easy hang. We would run lines 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.360 together all the time. Working with Michael was great fun. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.320 When we did the wedding scene and his brother came 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.280 on the show, then I got to see the Delaise 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.360 kind of family dynamic, which is just full of love 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:30.480 and ploy and silliness and laughter. I mean that is 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.920 quite a family and anyway, so I really enjoyed that. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.720 But I remember the highlights for me were Carol King 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:45.200 was on the set once and Sebastian Bach and Carol 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:50.200 King were on a golf cart driving. I don't know 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.480 where they were going, and I was about one hundred 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:59.120 yards away and Sebastian Bach says, Kathleen and I turn around. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.800 I might have been with friend or something. And I 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.240 turned around and I was like, he goes, come in here. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.200 I said, hold on a second. Oh, he says, Carol 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.840 wants to meet you or something. So I'm just like 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.280 swirly eyes. You know, I've been a huge Carol King 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.480 fan my whole life. I run to the golf cart 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:19.520 and then he looks at me and he sort of 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.280 blinks and he was like and then who like looks 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.200 and then I said, Hi, I'm Kathleen. He goes, no, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:34.679 not you. The PA. I was like, and then the 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.080 pa who I was with or something she was like, Oh, Carol, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.640 that's Kathleen Sebastian. This is Kathleen too. She's in the 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:47.000 cast or whatever it was. But getting to meet Carol 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.920 King was huge highlight. I've been a huge fan my 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:50.480 whole life. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.120 So did you so you met she was on the Uh? 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.000 Well it was that during the series of the reboot 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.200 because I met her on the reboot. I never met 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:58.920 her on the series. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.880 Oh, she was at the she was on the lot. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.400 I don't know if she was on, but I didn't 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.880 get to be on the reboot. And my agent called 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:08.600 me and she said you need to call Amy and 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.680 say you should be on the reboot. And I'm like, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.960 I'm not going to call her, and like, if she's 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.240 not putting me on, then she doesn't want me on. Gross, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:18.120 I'm not that guy. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.640 You know. That's what it needed. It needed, it needed 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.120 Lizen TJ. It needed. It really did well. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:25.520 It turns out I'm available. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.960 Was there one particular scene that was your favorite to film. 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.840 And Gilmore girls one particular scenes? 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.960 I'll tell you that wedding was hysterical. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.240 Yeah, probably, the wedding was really Oh you know what 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:50.480 was fun too was working with you and Ventimiglia Milo. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.680 Sure. Yeah, I felt like. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.360 We created you and me and Milo. I felt like 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:01.080 we created a you know, i' meanto the moments, and 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.320 I felt like we created a real family, kind of 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:12.000 acrimonious but but heartfelt relationship. So you know, that's a 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.480 that's a testament to your acting ability and to Milo's 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.000 acting ability and to mind, you know whatever. It's good. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.400 But I mean, I did feel like that dynamic was 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.360 at play when we did our scenes together. And by 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:31.200 that time, I'd already gotten my my muscles, I'd gotten 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.800 better at my preparation, so I could just really focus 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.480 in on the sending and receiving part of the acting 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.240 task with the two of you guys. So that was 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.240 fun for me too. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.040 Yeah, they were very spirited, fun scenes and Luke. Luke 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:51.560 was always very happy, you know, the one that watching it. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.280 I didn't like some of the things Luke was doing. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.800 We could talk about this all day, but when you 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.760 were setting up your earrings and your jewelry in the 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.480 day because you were moving to town to be close 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:08.360 to Jess, and then I sort of had this attitude 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:09.960 like I don't like this, I don't want this. Get 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:11.640 him out of here. And I thought that was a 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.680 little much, and I didn't like what it did to 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.200 the character, because it's like, you know, you're here now 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.080 and the past is the past, and you've figured it out, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:25.600 and you've got a relationship, and you know, why not 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.040 live and let live? I did not. I was highly 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.760 critical of Luke's behavior in that because you always because 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.640 Luke's behavior when Liz was around was always so up 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.880 and energetic and happy, and you never really saw Luke 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:44.000 that way, especially in the first four seasons. But so, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.880 why do you think Kathleen will Hoyt? Why do you 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:55.680 think Kathleen Because people want to know why Gilmour Girls 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.080 has stood the test of time. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:05.200 Ah, what a great question. I recently I've been asked 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.840 to do Gilmore Girls Reunion fan things for years and 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.879 years and years, and I never do them because I 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.879 don't like fan things. They embarrassed me. I feel like 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.080 I'm not a big enough star to do that kind 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.520 of thing. I'm not being humble pie, I'm just telling 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.440 you the truth. I did a twin Peaks one years ago, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.560 and nobody came to my table. I'm like, no, I'm 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.359 not doing this anymore. So I resisted, resisted, resisted, and 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.560 then finally somebody sent me an email that just felt 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.639 right and I needed the dough and I was like, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.800 you know, pay me and I'll do anything, but I 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.320 need the dough. So they paid me and I went 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:46.639 and I was so delighted by the fans. I was 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.040 so enchanted. They weren't, you know, I don't know what 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.720 I expected, but there were mothers and daughters primarily, and 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:01.200 sensitive dudes. They were though, so sweet, and the whole time, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.720 even picking up the airport, I was just like, oh, Mike, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.960 I can't believe I'm doing this. I'm oh my god. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.959 And then when I got to the hotel, it was 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:15.000 the day for my autograph signing, and I I said 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.639 to the person who runs the thing. I was like, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.199 nobody's gonna come to my table. Whatever, thank you for 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.080 paying me. And my had a line around the block 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:30.040 of people who were so sweet and funny and delightful 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:36.359 and excited by it. So Amy Palladino tapped into some 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:42.560 sort of zeitgeist poles between mothers and daughters, and in fact, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.479 I was so moved by that experience. I wrote Amy 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.640 an email and I never heard back. Whatever, I don't care. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.199 I just needed her to know that she wrote something 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.680 that stands the test of time, that isn't just words 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.960 on a page, that lifted up off of the television 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.119 screen into the hearts and minds of a whole bunch 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.280 of really cool people. And I felt like she should 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:12.800 know what she created because it was moving to see people. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:18.040 Yeah, I do these conventions and the fans show up 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:24.040 and they are as you describe, these are wonderful, sweet people. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.040 It's a mother daughter celebration and they want to share 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.560 with you their feelings about the show and how it 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.439 helped their relationship and now they're great friends, and you know, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.480 it was just it's wonderful. So how do you as 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.240 a mother now and almost a grandmother and we'll get 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:48.200 into that. How do you feel about Liz as a mom? 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.440 That's funny, Well, you know, I have been a mother 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:58.359 since nineteen ninety five, is when my oldest son was born. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:04.560 Prior to I have really had a career of playing 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:10.439 horrible mothers. I've sold babies for crack, I've I have 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.720 kidnapped babies. I've I've tied them up and beaten them. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:22.560 I mean, I have a career of playing archetypal horrible, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:28.800 horrible mothers. So as a mother, playing those kinds of roles, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:34.920 I always approach every character that I play with the 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.040 mindset that they are doing the best they can with 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:44.239 what they have. And you know, for for Liz, you know, 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.880 she I would say clearly was probably somebody a candidate 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:53.600 for medication for certainly ADHD, and she and Amy had 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.200 written that in the character. The character was all over 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.080 the place. You know, I talk about this, and then 0:20:58.119 --> 0:20:59.560 I talk about that, and then I talk about this, 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.480 and that, I talk about that, and then you know, 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.879 maybe she was a drug addict, which you know, I 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.920 certainly have been sober thirty one years, but I certainly 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:14.399 can bring that to the table. So there's plenty of 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.280 the mom things that I can easily bring to the 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.639 table to use from my crappy mom characters. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.000 Has your daughter Ruby seen the show? 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:33.479 Yeah, she's not one of my biggest fans. No, so 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.160 she likes the show, I think pretty much up until 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.080 I come on and then she's like Cake. You know, 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.840 she's very sweet my daughter, But I think it's weird 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.800 for her to see me. I don't know, she's she's 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.120 not one of my biggests. 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.000 She doesn't want to see you that way or something 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:48.240 like that. 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.760 I guess, I don't know. One time, here's a funny story. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:57.040 One time somebody was watching a TV show and it 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.359 was a part I was on a show called cop 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.919 Rock where I sing a song and I trade my 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.119 baby for crack. And my son was about seven and 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.800 a half eight years old at the time, and the 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.000 neighbor friend was like, Jimmy, come to my mom's on 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.680 TV and he comes in sees me sing this song 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.840 then trade my baby for crack, and he just was 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:20.560 like it was that me. Oh they came and I 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.720 was like, no, no, no, that was just acting acting. 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.760 Thank you. You should have gotten Stephen Botchko on the 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.960 line and said, talk to my daughter tell him it's 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:35.760 your fault. You know you wrote it. We just discussed 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.879 cop Rock in the last episode because it was a 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.240 reference in the last episode because they had a night 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:43.879 where they ate all this junk food and they were 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:50.199 going to watch cop cop Rock Marathon, Laurela, Laura and Laurela. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.200 What a show, what a concept, right little ahead of 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:58.000 its time. When't you say. 0:22:56.640 --> 0:23:00.440 It's a drama musical? Yeah, no, it was great fun. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:01.560 I love doing com. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:02.359 Oh, I'm sure it was. 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.800 I've had a good run, you know. Gilmore Girls was fun. 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:09.919 We had a good time. I mean I felt like 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:16.000 at closet of my house, I've thoroughly enjoyed doing that show. 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:22.040 I can't I can't have you on and not talk 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:26.760 about Patrick Swayzey. I cannot do it because you know 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:29.520 you did Roadhouse with him. You know, you did one 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:33.800 of the big movies of his career and one of 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.000 the big movies of your career as well. You were 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.879 great in it. And I did a film. I played 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:43.840 a minor role. I worked a ton of days in 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:47.360 a minor role in Martha Coolidge did a film with 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:52.160 Patrick in the lead and Mary Elizabeth Bestor Antonio as 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:56.679 a married woman living in the nineteen fifties suburbs of 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:01.000 outside of New York. It was called Three Wishes, and 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:05.960 Patrick played this sort of mysterious traveler, stranger kind of 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:10.280 a guy, obviously a World War Two vet who was, 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.159 you know, getting very spiritual and very centered, and he 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.000 showed up in town and really affected people's lives and 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.640 affected her life and her marriage and the whole thing. 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:25.119 And I had the opportunity to see him work and 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.639 to be on set while he was working, and he 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:32.480 stayed in character pretty much the whole time as this 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:41.040 sort of you know, this centered, balanced, mysterious guy. And 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.440 we had lunch a couple of times, and I asked 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.600