WEBVTT - Chicago 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.560 women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.879 husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:17.480 best start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hey, Jamie, 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:22.720 Hey Caitlin, you know how we are both in jail 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:28.400 right now for murdering our lovers classic us. Yes, well, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.800 here's what I'm thinking when we get exonerated, because we're 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:41.040 so hot, We're so sexy and peregantinette. Yeah exactly, So 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.400 when we get exonerated, would you like to start a 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.839 podcast together? Oh my god, can you imagine a Villa Mkelly, 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.879 Roxy Heart Puck. Okay, that is like the best worst 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:58.240 basic cable sitcom reboot I've ever heard of in my life. Like, 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.000 oh my god, yes you're the answer to your question 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:07.880 is yes, yes, amazing. That Wait so horrible. Wait who 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.800 would they cast as Vilma, Kelly and Roxy Heart doing 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.760 a murder punk? Oh my god, they'd be like Kristen 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:22.440 Ritter and Kristen Bell are Roxy and Velma and oh 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:28.240 my gosh, sign me up. Honestly, CBS call me. I've 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.400 got the worst idea ever. Oh my god, it would 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.840 be on CBS and there would be like laugh tracks 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.360 and stuff. Yeah, oh my god, it would be an 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.280 absolute nightmare and millions of people would watch. It would 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:45.440 be America's number one show. Anyway. Hello, and welcome to 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:52.400 the Beckel Cast. Jamie. It's your birthday episode day. Happy birthday, Jamie. 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.520 Thank you so much. Uh yeah, I um, I can't 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.920 believe it. Another year, another year has past. I've spent 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:06.480 half of my twenties on this podcast. Wow Fully, we're 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.280 coming up on the five year anniversary. We are, which 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.520 means I've spent half of my thirties on this podcast. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.240 It's I mean, we look at God. Look at God. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:22.720 When God invented podcasting, she really had us in mind. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.320 Thank you. Thank you for the birthday wishes. On the 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.800 actual day of my birthday when this comes out, I'll 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:33.200 be in Boston. I think that I'll buy I'll do 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.880 I'll do the Jamie Classic Boston Special, which is that 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.240 I will get a large cold brew, drink the whole thing. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.160 Then I will go to a bar and have a beer, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.560 and then they'll cancel each other out and I'll be 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.920 kind of tired, and then I'll do the same thing again, 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.959 and then I'll sleep for twelve hours. I think that's 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.320 probably gonna be how I spent my birthday. I did 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.959 that for so like, why live your life like that? 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.120 But that's what I did. I mean, it's your life, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.280 your choice. I'm just sad that I'm not there to 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.640 spend it with you because I'm still in l A. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.440 I would, oh my god, I would peel all of 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.320 my skin off to be back in l A. But 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.400 you know what I love. I love Boston, I love 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.360 my family, So it's fine. Yeah, so so no, I 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.360 I'm so excited to finally be covering a movie that 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.560 I feel like we were okay. So we're covering Chicago 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.560 two thousand two, a modern classic, one of my favorites, 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.240 and I feel like we were originally putting off covering 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.200 this movie because we wanted to do a live show 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.160 in Chicago and cover Chicago. Was that the reason? I 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.360 believe so well, So, with all due respect to Chicago, 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.240 I could not wait any longer. I couldn't. I couldn't 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:52.000 wait another second. And uh, you know the way things 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.080 are going right now, who knows when we will be 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.920 performing regularly again. So we're doing Chicago and I'm so 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:04.520 oh my god. I okay, I can we can we like? Well, wait, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.400 this is a main feat episode. Okay, so this is 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.160 the Bechtel cast. This is our It's my birthday. I 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.680 don't have to be good at my job today. Do 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.240 you want to take a load off and let me 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.480 do this so you can just sit back and relax 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.680 on your birthday? Oh my god, I'm going to have 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:24.480 a sip of lean in food Google's Summer Shandy. Oh yummy, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.279 take a swig, and I will tell the listeners that 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.360 what is the show again? We examine movies through an 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:36.800 intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechtel test simply as a 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:41.160 jumping off point, which is of course a media metric 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:46.800 created by cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:51.000 test that requires for our specific purposes, because we've made 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.920 some slight variations to the test here and there. Our 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.920 version is due two people of any marginalized gender, how 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.680 of names, They have to speak to each other about 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.839 something other than a man, for what is hopefully a 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.760 meaningful conversation in the movie or work of fiction. Right 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:18.240 and boy is Chicago an incredible movie? To cover? For 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.560 these purposes, they are talking about. I feel like, you know, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.880 we we've been adding asterisks to this test. I feel 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.080 like this asterisk canonically on this show may already exist 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.240 that if you're talking about murdering a man who's an asshole, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.920 it's it's actually as that does pass the test. I 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:43.680 agree this, not that we are condoning murdering men, but 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:49.599 like in the fictional space, it's cathartic. Okay there. This 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:55.400 movie gets me so fucking pumped for what I don't know, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.000 but it basically just like any time I think about 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.840 this movie, I then have to draw everything and listen 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.440 to the soundtrack and like go on like a three 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.600 mile walk and just be like, wow, how did they 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.680 do this? How did this come together? It doesn't sound 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.320 like it should work, but it does, but it does. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.640 It's so good. Would you say that this movie gets 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:20.880 you jazzed? It it gets me so fucking hyped. And 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:22.600 this is the kind of movie I feel like this 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:29.160 really um defines what makes a movie fun. Is that 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:30.880 you know, like when you're I don't know, when you 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.280 really love a movie, you like picture yourself as all 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.320 of the different characters, or like one specific character where 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.919 you're like that one's me in Chicago. I picture being 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.520 all of the characters like you're just like You've got 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.120 your days where you're like I'm being I'm being such 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.880 an amos today, I'm just getting run over. You have 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.560 your roxy days where you're like, I am just like 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.680 living on another planet and I'm not connected with reality 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.279 at this time. Then some days you're just hot and 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.200 your Velma Ellie and you're and then some days you're 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.880 Billy Flynn and you're in you're feeling sneaky, and it's 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.960 just I love this movie. I love all the characters. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.880 They're all terrible people. They're all the worst, and I 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.320 really like when oh, I'm sorry, I'm just like Jamie, 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.360 it's your birthday, it's my birth it's my birthday. I 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.000 really enjoy movies. I'm trying to think of other movies 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.360 that kind of take this tech movies that are like 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.040 really fun and high energy but also have a pretty 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.880 low opinion of humanity. I love movies like that. And 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.160 this is like this, like it's like scratches that little 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.560 spot behind my ear. It's so good. That is like 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.680 Titania kind of like man, it kind of like goes 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.360 in there too. There there's a little more empathy at 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.080 play in that movie than there is here. I mean, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:53.200 everyone in Chicago is a nightmare. They're they're all so bad, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.040 but you like understand, I don't know, I just love it. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.240 But I'm rooting for all of them. Honestly, why am I? Yeah, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.240 that's the other thing, Like, why am I root for 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.320 these motherfucker's They're just they're all except with and I 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.840 do kind of like, I don't know, I'm just going 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.400 to make a million exceptions for this movie because I 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.280 don't like when the only like truly, like, oh, unquestionably 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.800 sympathetic character is some guy. But for some reason, when 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.520 it's Chicago and it's John c Riley, I'm like, whatever, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:25.040 whatever his performance and Mr Cellophane even I'm gonna argue 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.800 with that, no way, no way, it's too good. I 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.640 think you could also make the argument that he's not 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.520 that sympathetic or redeemable. I'm not saying he's a great guy. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.160 I'm saying that it's it's very easy to feel for 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:44.160 his predicament to be kind of someone who is not 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:50.240 equipped to handle a situation that includes scrutiny, nuance, or 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.840 public attention. But yeah, I mean no, everyone in this 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.839 movie in this story like sucks to some degree, except 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.560 for vill m Kelly, who I think is kind of 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:05.000 above criticism. Um. But also but like, I don't mean that. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:12.160 Also Christine Barrand amazing. She's so good. She's just oh 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.760 my god, this is I and sorry to all the 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.600 Mamma Mia heads out there, but this is Christine Baranski's 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:22.240 best musical movie. Sorry, which she has a tiny line, 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.400 a few tiny lines here and there in the song 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.560 about they both reached for the gun. But other than that, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.880 I don't think we see her sing right. No, but 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:35.040 that verse with Richard Gear and they're dancing around and 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.360 then Rene's Alwiger does that little smile. I love this 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.360 movie so much. Did you see it when it first 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.920 came out? Or no? I wasn't allowed to see it. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.600 I was was movie came out, And yeah, I was 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.959 like eight or nine when this movie came out, so 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.240 I wasn't allowed to see it. But I remember very 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.920 clearly my grandma r. I. P. Pat loftis the best. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:04.920 She Her whole deal was that she would tell you 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.360 things you weren't supposed to know when your parents weren't around, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.360 and then your parents would be like, why the fund 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.640 did you tell her that? Um? So she I remember 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.000 very clearly. We were at uh. She brought me out 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:22.160 for like a report card lunch, and she described everything 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.280 that happened in Chicago to me. She told me the 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.800 whole movie and she was like, it's so good. I 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.040 saw it with my friend May and it was just 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.600 the best thing I've ever seen. And she told me 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.280 about the whole movie, and then I think, I think 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.160 I would have seen it when it came out on DVD, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.520 so like I was pretty young when I when I 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.400 saw it, I just didn't see it in theaters and 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.600 was just like so hooked on it. This was my 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.960 first This was my introduction to Richard Gear because I 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:56.160 still haven't seen Pretty Woman. What wow, I know, but 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.960 this was my introduction to Richard Gear and he went 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.960 on to become a very formative childhood crush of mine. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.720 Sure off of this movie, as did Katherine Sada Jones, 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.480 and so I just, uh, I love this movie and 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:15.680 it's interesting to watch back in because unfortunately I feel 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.720 like a lot of the themes and like messages in 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.600 this movie are timeless in a way that people are 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.800 always bad, right, But I don't know just I mean, 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.960 this is like a very low hanging fruit angle to take. 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.880 But I was like, oh, watching Chicago, you know carefully 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.640 after the last five years in the US, you're like, wellshit, 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.559 it's wild. Yeah, yeah, what's your what's your history with Chicago? 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.280 I didn't see it right away. I don't think I 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.319 saw it until until after it won the Economy Award 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.840 for Best Picture, and then I was like, oh, I 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.280 guess I should see this. Um. I was in high 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.480 school at the time, and as listeners of the podcast 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.800 might know, I am generally not a fan of live 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:04.360 action movie musicals, but there are a handful of exceptions, 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:09.080 and Chicago is one of them. When I did see it, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:10.959 I liked the movie enough to buy it on DVD. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.080 It's a romp. It's a romp, but for some reason. Okay, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.560 So a friend of the cast, Katherine Leon Spy Kids episode. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:23.040 Of course, she and I used to like. She would 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.320 come over, we would sit in my bed. I would 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.000 show her like quintessential movies that she had never seen. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.600 I was like, you haven't seen Star Wars. Here are 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.120 the Star Wars movies. You haven't seen this, blah blah blah. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.600 I would we would like rifle through my huge binder 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.160 of DVDs and she's like, oh my god, you have Chicago. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.240 I love Chicago. And then for some reason, course Katherine 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.000 loves Chicago. She has got a great taste. But for 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.040 some reason, I was like, do you want it? I 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.000 never watched this movie. Here you can have my DVD. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.559 And now I regret it because I'm like, I would 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:08.760 like that back, Catherine. Catherine, have you asked? Yeah, she's not. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.560 It's not like she's refusing to give it to me. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.240 I just she doesn't know that. I um. Also, it's 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.680 like streaming, so who cares. But but I I purchased, 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.880 I really made. I made a lifelong commitment and I 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:26.559 purchased Chicago Diamond addition to watch whenever I wanted. It's 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.280 remastered and it has all these fun features and I 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.000 had such a fun time watching them. The production of 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.280 this movie looked so fun, Like do you ever any 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.640 time I would watch a First of all, Rob Marshall 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.719 directed this movie and is further proof that the choreographer 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:51.360 to director Pipeline is immaculate and needs no adjustment. See 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.160 Kenny or take Up. I was gonna say yeah, and 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:58.120 I think that's the only other example. I'm sure there's others, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.120 but that's too. That's two pretty strong choreography good examples. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.080 Rob Marshall choreographed and directed this movie and all the 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.880 behind the scenes. It just looks like a bunch of 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.960 celebrities went to summer camp to put together a school 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.240 play and then one of my favorite movies came out 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:20.400 of it. Like is so cool? I love Wow? Well, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.840 should I do the recap? And yes, but I need 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.440 to tell you something about Rob Marshall first, Okay, please, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.200 I was wondering if you located this fact. This is 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.440 something that like, okay, much like my other fun fact 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.120 that has nothing to do with this movie, but we 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.720 talked about the other day. This is a fact that 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.520 I know in my bones, but I forget and I 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.480 relearned once every couple of years, and I love it. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.880 It's about director Rob Marshall, and it's that he began 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.520 as a dancer then became a choreographer. Makes sense. But 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:56.160 the thing that launched him into choreography and directing and 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.800 got him out of the full time dancing game is 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:04.520 that he suffered a herniated disc while performing in Cats. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.560 So the only reason that Chicago two thousand two is 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.120 as amazing as it is because I feel like that 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.880 choreography and like the understanding of stage language is so 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.800 much of what makes this movie awesome and why I 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.600 like it more than a lot of other live action 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.840 movie musicals. Yeah, as it actually like understands cinematic language 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.000 and like how to put together a musical in a 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:32.240 way that's like totally I can suspend my disbelief for 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.120 the things that are happening, etcetera. It's so yeah, it's 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.280 so good. And if he hadn't suffered a herniated disc 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.640 while being a full body cat, it wouldn't have happened. Imagine. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.720 It is interesting to me how it's like I guess 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.680 that I'm I still haven't seen in the Heights, and 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.000 like whatever, there's that Steven Spielberg West Side Story coming out. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.040 I wonder if it's going to be any good, because 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.640 I feel like big directors are given popular Broadway musicals 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.040 and very often like I don't know what to do 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.200 with them, and they're so I mean, it's like you've 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.640 got Joel Schumacher fant about the opera a lot of swings. 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.800 He didn't know what he was doing. Chris Columbus did Rent, 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.160 which is one of the worst like director to project 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.720 matches I can think of. Like, there's just so many 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.640 examples of people getting it wrong, and it's like, yeah, 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.280 cats cat whatever, I forget his name, but the guy 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:28.320 who did what's his name, Tom Tom Pepe, Yeah, who 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.000 also funked up La Miss, but everyone gave him awards 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.800 for it for some reason. It's like, oh, can you 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.600 make every famous person sing out of key and cover 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.320 them in dirt? Like I don't get but but yeah, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.800 like this this whole I think is so interesting about 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.760 this movie because it's like this movie and Mulin Rouge 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.720 came out very close together, and I feel like people 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:50.560 sort of thought, oh, there's going to be this big 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.960 resurgence of the movie musical, but then there kind of 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.520 wasn't because then they just like hired all these famous 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:01.360 directors who didn't understand musicals. But Lan Rouge one of 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.600 the few other live action movie musicals that I can 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.919 fully get behind. It's amazing. I was. I feel like, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.040 I don't know if I've ever said his name correctly, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.440 bas Learman. I think that's right. He definitely has like 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.200 an understanding of like movement and pacing and like that's 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.800 so much of his style and that's why it works. Anyways, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.320 pisses me off. Stopped getting really famous people who make 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:31.520 like war movies, war horses, like musicals. What are you 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.080 doing anyways? Um, maybe we should take a quick break 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.280 before we get into the recap, because we've just been 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.800 chatting for so long about how great Chicago is. All right, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.160 so let's take a quick break and we'll come right 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:52.879 back and we're back. Okay, let's summarize the movie. I 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.560 promised not keep talking about. Oh wait, but I have 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.679 one more fun factor. No please, we talked about it 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.680 the other day. I'm sure it's connected to Chicago tangentially because, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.960 oh because the two people in this fun fact, we're 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.240 both living in Chicago. We're very famous in Chicago. Roger 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.800 Ebert and Oprah used to date in the eighties. That 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.240 is a Chicago fact. That's just Chicago canon. Chicago canon 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.639 includes this musical and the fact that Roger Ebert and 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.760 Oprah briefly dated, which I didn't know about until you 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.360 told me. I don't know why that's not more common knowledge. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.440 I know, but they were. But it's like at first year, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.760 like but he's like so much older than her and 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.000 she's so much cooler than him. And Steadman is such 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.800 a you know, Steadman is so canon, right, but yeah, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.040 like he was basically her last boyfriend before Steadman came 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.359 into the picture, one of the last ones wild. That's 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.679 just that's I'm Richard Gear putting my hat on, and 0:18:54.720 --> 0:19:01.520 that's Chicago. Oh my god. And that's going to be 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.960 one of those facts that I will forget and then 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.479 relearn in a couple of months or years or whatever, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.000 and then be like, oh my god, I can't believe it. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.119 It's just like Rob Marshall getting a herniated desk in Cats. 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.000 It's just a delightful thing to learn over and over again. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.160 So what so what happens in this movie anyways? Okay, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:25.120 let me tell you. It's the roaring twenties in ch Chicago. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.640 There's jazz music, they're flapperds, there speakeasies, it's the whole 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.919 nine yards. He Digs is in charge. Oh my gosh. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.600 I was so delighted to see him. Who's my first 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.680 height Digs movie? Too? Was? It really is going five six, seven, eight? 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.760 And then what you're ten and you're like, what is 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:50.560 exqueeze me, who's that exciting? Just a reminder. T Diggs 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.400 now follows me on Twitter thanks to our Stella got 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:58.520 her groove back episode, so incredible. Tag him in this 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:05.439 I will. And another celebrity connection I have to this 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.760 movie is that John c Riley I saw at a 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.960 roller skating rink in Glendale, California. Oh my gosh. And 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.920 he's like a regular and not to docks his hobbies, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.680 but yeah, isn't he like a regular there? And he's 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.919 like really good. That's what I've heard. He was a 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.879 pretty good roller skater. It's true. And uh, I I 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.080 don't know how frequently he he attends this roller rink, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.040 but um, I'm so glad that John c Riley exit. 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.520 I feel like there's so many dads that have been 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.439 able to connect with their children over a mutual appreciation 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.960 of John c Riley. What a beautiful thing. Dads are 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.000 obsessed with John c Riley. The deeper, the cut, the better, 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.960 and I understand why. I get it. Okay, So we're 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:59.080 in the jazz age in Chicago. We meet vil m Kelly. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.920 That's Katherine's to Jones Hot. She shows up at this 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.720 jazz club to do her vaudeville act, which she normally 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.959 does with her sister, but her sister isn't there, and 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.720 Velma is washing blood off her hands, and we're like, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.719 what's what's going on? And then it's one of the 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:23.119 best openings of any movie ever. She's so hot, she's 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:27.920 so it's like I in our defense, she like her 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.919 whole She's obviously very hot, but like her whole attitude 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:36.520 is like hot, Like she's just hot at a very profound, 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.399 like in this confident way. You're like, I'm never going 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.760 to feel that way for a second of my entire life. 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:47.040 It's so amazing to just behold it, truly is. It's great. 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.160 And as you mentioned, Tay Diggs is also there playing 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:55.960 the piano and all over the place. Also there is 0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:00.000 roxy Heart that's Renai's elbowger. She is in the audience 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.760 watching Velma. Then she goes home with this guy that 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.919 she's having an affair with who I forgot to write 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.720 his name down? Fred Caseley? Fred Caseley? Yes, whose Fred 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:16.600 Casey Mike's boyfriend? Why did you shoot him? I was leaving, etcetera. 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:21.760 R Yes. She finds out that Fred Caseley has been 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.879 lying to her about being able to help her break 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.399 into show biz, which is her dream. She wants to 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.480 be just like Vill m kelly. Basically, Fred Casey is 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.960 basically a guy who will drive you to an open 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.400 mic and say that he can get you up at 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.080 the open mic, but then it turns out he can't 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.760 even he can't even get himself up at the open mic, 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.280 and you're like, hold on, and then you understand her 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:55.359 motive for shooting him, because that kind of guy, you know, 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:59.120 the kind of guy. Yeah. So he then gets really 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.480 aggressive with her and physically assaults her, so she shoots 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.399 and kills him. Yeah. Roxy then tries to get her 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.040 husband Amos that's John c Riley to take the fall 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.639 for it, saying that this guy was a burglar and 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:16.040 that Amos shot him in self defense. Another amazing number. 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:21.160 It's so funny. Honey Rocks. Not one of my favorites, 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.600 but still pretty good. I love I love it. I 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.280 love when Rene's Algar is just casting looks at John 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.600 c Riley and he's like, but what, but what? But what? 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.400 And you're like, oh my gosh, someone helped this guy out. 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.280 And then she pushes him right because he is slowly 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.600 realizing that this guy who has been shot is someone 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.320 who Roxy knows and is having an affair with. So 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.760 Roxy ends up getting arrested and getting sent to Cook 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.880 County jail, and the d A wants to see her 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.560 hanged for her crime. Right, that's like a big, big deal, 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:57.520 which I guess which I didn't realize, Like how like 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.880 historically accurate that was at the time too, of just 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.800 the kind of blood lust that came with normalized hangings 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:10.560 and death penalties in the US. Yeah, scary, So the 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:15.760 stakes are high, yes, And in jail, Roxy meets Mama Morton. 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.760 That's Queen Latifa, who I want to see an entire 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:24.040 movie about her character. I wish. I've never seen the 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.840 stage production of this. I do like in the movie. 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.480 I feel like I definitely want to know more about 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.040 Mama Morton, Like how did she get start working there? 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.800 What is her background? Like what does she do when 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.800 she's not working? Like, I don't know, there's I have 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:43.639 a bajillion questions, And I wonder if there's more to 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.359