WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 040222 A Decidedly Black Reaction to Will Smith and Chris Rock (Part 1)

0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am your host, rams' Jah.

0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I go by the name q Ward. Talked to him q.

0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.959
<v Speaker 2>Most of the time, so well, is it sometimes or

0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.000
<v Speaker 2>most of the time? If it, what's the race you

0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.560
<v Speaker 2>would have to be for it to be most instead

0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:17.720
<v Speaker 2>of some?

0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:23.120
<v Speaker 1>It's okay, So yeah, most of the time they call

0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:23.880
<v Speaker 1>me q Ward.

0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, indeed, listen man, we got a interesting show to

0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.320
<v Speaker 3>talk about today, and because the way the world works,

0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.880
<v Speaker 3>we kind of got a lot of stuff entertainment based.

0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.640
<v Speaker 1>So we'll call this an entertainment special. That what you

0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:38.279
<v Speaker 1>do about that?

0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.279
<v Speaker 2>I think we were overdue for entertainment special anyway, So

0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:43.320
<v Speaker 2>run the play rounds.

0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it, so stick around. We are, of course

0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.720
<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about the slap hurt around the world.

0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.960
<v Speaker 1>What did the five fingers say to the face? I

0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.760
<v Speaker 1>think those five fingers said slap slap. You gotta talk

0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.360
<v Speaker 1>about that, but not for the reasons you may think.

0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.120
<v Speaker 1>So definitely stick around because we have to break that down.

0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.640
<v Speaker 1>There are some cultural elements that you may not be

0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.880
<v Speaker 1>familiar with that are things that we wrestle with and

0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.399
<v Speaker 1>we would love to share them with you today. We're

0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:20.119
<v Speaker 1>also going to be talking about rap beef and other

0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.959
<v Speaker 1>types of beef, and like those viral videos of students

0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.039
<v Speaker 1>fighting and those sorts of things, and how those things

0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.759
<v Speaker 1>hit us as well. You know, there's a different weight

0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that we carry that a lot of folks may not

0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.120
<v Speaker 1>know about, So I definitely want to peel back some

0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.080
<v Speaker 1>layers with respect to that. We're going to be talking

0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>about a woman named Hattie McDaniel for Our Way Black History. Fact.

0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:48.240
<v Speaker 1>She is an actress who was the first Oscar winner,

0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.040
<v Speaker 1>first one nominated, first black woman and black person nominated

0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.240
<v Speaker 1>to when Oscar, and we're going to share a little

0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.480
<v Speaker 1>bit of her story. But first and foremost, we are

0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:03.000
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about a man who maybe you remember

0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.920
<v Speaker 1>from your childhood. I certainly do. His name is Tim Reid,

0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.639
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to share a little bit about what's

0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:15.160
<v Speaker 1>going on in his world. In Our Way, Sorry, in

0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.600
<v Speaker 1>our em any excellent segment, Ramsey is just trying to

0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.560
<v Speaker 1>jump to the end of the show. I wasn't trying

0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.120
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Topics put a lot of pressure on

0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.920
<v Speaker 1>him today. Give him no no. So Tim Reid, for

0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.360
<v Speaker 1>those that don't know, starred as the father in a

0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.960
<v Speaker 1>show called Sister Sister, and this being our entertainment episode

0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.799
<v Speaker 1>and the timeliness of this story coming out, we thought

0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.120
<v Speaker 1>it'd be important to share kind of what he's been

0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.320
<v Speaker 1>working on. Not if you're like me, you hadn't caught

0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.280
<v Speaker 1>up or kept up with this guy over the years,

0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.680
<v Speaker 1>but you do remember him the show Sister Sister starring

0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Tia and Timara, the twins, and he was their father.

0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I think he was a widower in the show, and

0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.040
<v Speaker 1>he raised the two girls with I guess it might

0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.040
<v Speaker 1>have been their aunt or something like that. But a

0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of like father daughter lessons and just father lessons.

0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:07.640
<v Speaker 1>So this guy kind of holds a special place in

0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.600
<v Speaker 1>our youth, you know, in the way we remember it,

0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.680
<v Speaker 1>not unlike that of Uncle Phil, you know, from the

0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Fresh Prince. But what he's been up to is he's

0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.160
<v Speaker 1>created his own streaming network. This comes from the Atlanta

0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.959
<v Speaker 1>Black Star. By the way. He's created his own streaming

0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:26.160
<v Speaker 1>network called LGCYTV. I believe he pronounces it Legacy TV.

0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a quote from him. I'm not out to fight

0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and say blacks invented the world. I mean make a

0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.920
<v Speaker 1>case for it, But the contextualization of history is important.

0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.560
<v Speaker 1>It's important to me, Reid said of the opportunity. The

0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.960
<v Speaker 1>network will include three channels, culture, history and sports. There's

0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.240
<v Speaker 1>another quote, blacks have fought in every war on this planet.

0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Those kinds of things are what I want to do.

0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I can't expect everyone to tell the stories that I

0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.440
<v Speaker 1>want told. It's nice to see what black people have

0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to say about white people for a change, economically, socially,

0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the propaganda wars are real, it's powerful, it's real. There

0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.760
<v Speaker 1>has to be another way. It has to be less

0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.800
<v Speaker 1>filtered by the European pipeline, He said of his passion

0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.120
<v Speaker 1>for his network and how it came to fruition. As

0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.320
<v Speaker 1>it relates to people who may not develop an appreciation

0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.120
<v Speaker 1>of the channel, Reid said, then don't tune in. Nothing

0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.520
<v Speaker 1>wrong with a lot of opinions. Let's have some diversity.

0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.599
<v Speaker 1>So shout out to Tim Reid for starting his own

0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:25.279
<v Speaker 1>network and hoping to tell more stories. Love to see it.

0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.839
<v Speaker 1>There's your ebony excellence.

0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Now looking forward to it the topic of the day.

0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, we do this show every week, so there's

0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:40.839
<v Speaker 1>been some time between when you first heard about this

0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and when we had to process it. And you know,

0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.159
<v Speaker 1>we always say we make this show it's a black show,

0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's for non black people. It's kind of our

0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.919
<v Speaker 1>way of giving you a glimpse into what it's like

0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.440
<v Speaker 1>for us, your brothers and sisters, who you know. Maybe

0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:01.080
<v Speaker 1>you are a thinking, loving, kind human being, but maybe

0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.400
<v Speaker 1>you don't have the connection to the black community in

0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the way that you might like. And so we felt

0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.240
<v Speaker 1>this show was necessary and we try to speak to

0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:18.120
<v Speaker 1>you using that, bearing that in mind. But by now

0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.960
<v Speaker 1>we're sure that you've seen the clip from the Oscars

0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:27.960
<v Speaker 1>where Will Smith, you know, approached the stage and slapped

0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Chris Rock in the face. I want to say something.

0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I know you have a lot to say to you,

0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:34.719
<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to give you the floor, but i

0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.839
<v Speaker 1>want to say a couple of things. First, I've mentioned

0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.920
<v Speaker 1>on the show that I do another program day to day.

0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I work with the Black Information Network, do a daily show,

0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.640
<v Speaker 1>a daily podcast with him. And the day after that happened,

0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I was very troubled, very very very extremely deeply troubled

0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.640
<v Speaker 1>by Will Smith's slapping Chris Rock in the face on

0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the world stage, and for people who might not know why,

0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.520
<v Speaker 1>it was so unsettling, you know, I'm gonna give you

0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.720
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of insight here. You know. The next day,

0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I woke up, had to talk with my other show

0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:22.520
<v Speaker 1>producers and they asked, what's wrong, and I says, if

0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm honest, I'm just having a I'm just very, very sad.

0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.520
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, we can tell. Shout out to Tannita Meyer.

0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.960
<v Speaker 1>She said that she's like, I can absolutely tell. I

0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.080
<v Speaker 1>see every day, I know there's something off. She's like,

0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.480
<v Speaker 1>what's the problem. And I says to her, I just

0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.719
<v Speaker 1>can't make that make sense. I can't believe that Will

0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Smith slapped That's a special kind of assault from one

0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.120
<v Speaker 1>man to another that we're not we're not here to

0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.240
<v Speaker 1>break that part apart. But he slapped Chris Rock in

0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the face in front of everyone. And you know, he

0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:08.680
<v Speaker 1>had his reasons, but the fact that it happened just

0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it was so unsettling. And my other show, I normally

0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:19.720
<v Speaker 1>talk about politics. I talk about you know, conceptual ideas

0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and things like that, things that affect you know, the

0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.800
<v Speaker 1>black population that you know, conversations of black folks need

0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to discuss and need to be aware about. Right, this

0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.080
<v Speaker 1>story was more of like a tabloid story. But my

0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.400
<v Speaker 1>producer says, you know, no, absolutely, if you feel that

0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.840
<v Speaker 1>strongly about it, ramses, that's the show we're going to do.

0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.520
<v Speaker 1>She said, I feel the same way. And then the

0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.560
<v Speaker 1>vice president of the company was on our call that

0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.880
<v Speaker 1>day and he said, I agree one hundred percent. We

0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.240
<v Speaker 1>need to talk about this, right So I wrote a

0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.040
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a monologue and I'm going to share

0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.160
<v Speaker 1>some of it with you right now, just so you

0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.440
<v Speaker 1>understand kind of how that feels.

0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.400
<v Speaker 2>And I just want to point out I'm hearing this

0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.440
<v Speaker 2>monologue with you guys today live for the first time,

0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.640
<v Speaker 2>so we get to take this in together, digest it

0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:19.200
<v Speaker 2>fresh while you're listening, and give some some counter.

0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Feedback if you're and for those just so you know,

0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.000
<v Speaker 1>actually I'll say that at the end. Okay, Sunday evening

0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.160
<v Speaker 1>At the twenty twenty two Oscars, Will Smith slapped Chris

0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Rock in the face after Rock's mention of Smith's wife,

0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Jada Pinkett Smith. Will Smith later received the award for

0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Best Actor, and uses used his acceptance speech to mention

0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.400
<v Speaker 1>his role as a protector and how quote art imitates

0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.760
<v Speaker 1>life and quote now, I look like the angry father.

0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Social media was promptly divided as to who had gone

0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.720
<v Speaker 1>too far. Rock or Smith. Why did Chris Rock make

0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.800
<v Speaker 1>a joke that could be connected to Jada Pinkett Smith's

0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.080
<v Speaker 1>medical condition and subsequent hair loss. Why didn't Will Smith

0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.720
<v Speaker 1>take his wife's hand and just walk out in protest.

0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Regardless of the answers, we are left with a disturbing

0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.080
<v Speaker 1>situation that played out on the world stage. We are

0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.640
<v Speaker 1>left with the people that society tells us to try

0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to emanate looking like the very people's society has come

0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:17.960
<v Speaker 1>to fear angry, violent blacks. So what does it mean

0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:19.800
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of us now that these two black

0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.880
<v Speaker 1>comedic icons have ended up in this situation? So this

0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.640
<v Speaker 1>is how I got the ball rolling on the show,

0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.640
<v Speaker 1>But the way I closed it out was as follows.

0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.280
<v Speaker 1>We've all been on one or maybe even both sides

0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.080
<v Speaker 1>of a situation like this. The difference is that we

0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.559
<v Speaker 1>probably weren't being tested in full view of the world.

0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.320
<v Speaker 1>If you're like me, you hear the news stories of

0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.160
<v Speaker 1>violence or theft or drugs, and you hope in your

0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:50.240
<v Speaker 1>heart that the suspect isn't black. Pause. Remember this is

0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.000
<v Speaker 1>me talking to a black audience right now that I'm

0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.000
<v Speaker 1>talking to you, our listener today, I know that this

0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.880
<v Speaker 1>is not necessarily a black audience. But on this show,

0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.800
<v Speaker 1>it's on the Black Information Network, it's for a black audience.

0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.199
<v Speaker 1>So when I'm saying this that whenever we watch news

0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.199
<v Speaker 1>stories about drugs or theft or violence, we hope that

0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the suspect isn't black. That's a very real thing for

0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.040
<v Speaker 1>black people. Right We're gonna, We're gonna peel some of

0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.080
<v Speaker 1>those layers back. I'll continue. The part that feels unfair

0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.040
<v Speaker 1>is that white people don't seem to experience this in

0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.839
<v Speaker 1>the same way. White people are allowed to have cultural

0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and behavioral outliers to a degree that black people are not.

0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.400
<v Speaker 1>We don't live in fear that all white men are

0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.000
<v Speaker 1>mass shooters to the degree that white people often live

0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.000
<v Speaker 1>in fear that black men are thugs and gang members.

0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Right now, there are, of course, not all white people

0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.760
<v Speaker 1>feel this way, and some Black people feel that way.

0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:51.400
<v Speaker 1>But if we really take into account how it really

0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.800
<v Speaker 1>feels to live in this world, one of those things

0:10:53.880 --> 0:11:01.320
<v Speaker 1>is way more true than the other. Okay, I'll continue.

0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.760
<v Speaker 1>We know that our outliers often reinforce or further shaped

0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.000
<v Speaker 1>stereotypes that aren't true to the fullness of our black stories.

0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Some of us might talk during comedies or horror movies.

0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.280
<v Speaker 1>But I've been in rooms where white people talk through

0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.000
<v Speaker 1>friends reruns, aching to tell me behind the scenes details

0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.800
<v Speaker 1>are all about their favorite parts. The thing is that

0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.960
<v Speaker 1>they don't worry that they are misrepresenting all white people.

0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.920
<v Speaker 1>In other words, there's a burden, an extra burden that

0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:36.560
<v Speaker 1>we carry. That burden came to the forefront when Will

0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Smith slapped Chris Rock in the face. Oh now, they

0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.280
<v Speaker 1>ain't gonna never let us back in here no more.

0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.080
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. It's like a real thing,

0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.439
<v Speaker 1>you know. So let me continue and then we can

0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.120
<v Speaker 1>break this down. When looking at Will Smith, perhaps the

0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.440
<v Speaker 1>disconnect is that the black man would say, let me

0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.679
<v Speaker 1>not misrepresent my people, but the man would say let

0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.800
<v Speaker 1>me and my wife that night we saw Will Smith,

0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the man, Okay, I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong.

0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I would never do that. I'll continue. We live in

0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.360
<v Speaker 1>a society that doesn't allow black men to be men. First.

0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.240
<v Speaker 1>The same is true with black women, you know what

0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean. An angry woman protecting her children, for example,

0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.240
<v Speaker 1>is simply an angry woman, But an angry black woman

0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.800
<v Speaker 1>is this cultural monster. The same is true for the

0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:33.120
<v Speaker 1>angry black man. Historically, our manhood wasn't even a part

0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:38.040
<v Speaker 1>of this new American identity. Remember, they used to refer

0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.679
<v Speaker 1>to us as boy and in some places they still do.

0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.160
<v Speaker 1>So maybe no one won out of this situation, but

0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.080
<v Speaker 1>at the very least, now the whole world knows a

0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.839
<v Speaker 1>bit more about what we're up against. If Leonardo DiCaprio

0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.040
<v Speaker 1>had slacked Jerry Seinfeld, the story might be half as big.

0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:00.360
<v Speaker 1>If that two black men leading excellent black lives at

0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the height of fame and wealth. However, and the ripples

0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.319
<v Speaker 1>go further. It's almost like black excellence as a concept

0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.439
<v Speaker 1>is being called into question. That is a weight too

0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.160
<v Speaker 1>heavy for me to bear. So this was how I

0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:21.440
<v Speaker 1>closed out my show or my podcast Weekly Podcast, which

0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.760
<v Speaker 1>if you want to check that out, just download the

0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.000
<v Speaker 1>iHeartRadio app and look up the Black Information Network. You're

0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:31.640
<v Speaker 1>bound to find it. But this kind of gives you

0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:37.760
<v Speaker 1>an idea of how a moment like that between two

0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.880
<v Speaker 1>black people, like I'm so grateful that Chris Rock didn't respond,

0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.559
<v Speaker 1>because imagine what it looks like if two black men

0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.920
<v Speaker 1>are fighting. It looks like the Source Awards, you know

0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.680
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, And that's you know, we have to

0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.280
<v Speaker 1>be perfect to be good enough. You know, we can't

0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.560
<v Speaker 1>have human moments, and thank god, I believe that Chris

0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Rock kind of saved that moment for us, you know,

0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.040
<v Speaker 1>because it could have gotten a lot worse. But what

0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to impress upon you is not who is

0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.679
<v Speaker 1>right or wrong, but that there's another burden that we

0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.640
<v Speaker 1>all have to bear. Like it's almost like we are no.

0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.160
<v Speaker 1>We can never be better than what the best of

0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.240
<v Speaker 1>us is, right, and if the best of us, in

0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.480
<v Speaker 1>your mind is Will Smith, then the best of us

0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.360
<v Speaker 1>just dropped the couple rungs on the ladder, and that's

0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.240
<v Speaker 1>why we all had to shoulder that burden as well.

0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Now I've talked a lot, I do want you because

0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I know you got a lot to give me. Q

0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:41.040
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, jump in rams.

0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:45.560
<v Speaker 4>It's so much, you know what I mean, Like, I

0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.720
<v Speaker 4>don't know that we have enough show for all that

0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.000
<v Speaker 4>I have to give, because it's not like.

0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Will Smith is the best of us. Will Smith is

0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.440
<v Speaker 2>actually the best of us. It's not like, you know

0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.040
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, It's not like he's the best, He's

0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:05.760
<v Speaker 2>actually the best of us. There's Tom Hanks, there's Will Smith.

0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:15.120
<v Speaker 2>And maybe that weight is unfair but it wasn't unknown.

0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.720
<v Speaker 2>And this is where my problem starts. The topic has

0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:28.760
<v Speaker 2>become explosive in its divisiveness amongst people, but especially amongst us.

0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've seen all the If it ain't that,

0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.320
<v Speaker 2>it ain't memes and tweets right right. If you're not

0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.760
<v Speaker 2>going on stage to slap in my honor, then that's

0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.160
<v Speaker 2>not the love that I want, which is a great

0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:49.280
<v Speaker 2>mean to pass along and laugh about. Except I came

0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:54.480
<v Speaker 2>across some words pointing out that Will Smith proved in

0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.040
<v Speaker 2>that space or in that moment, that he didn't belong

0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:03.800
<v Speaker 2>in that room, and those thoughts would have seemed ridiculous

0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the day before that happened, and his action in that

0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.240
<v Speaker 2>heated moment should not define him.

0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Except that's the world we live in, and we cannot

0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.640
<v Speaker 1>decide when we feel like it. Well, why do we

0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.760
<v Speaker 1>care what white people think about us? Anyway?

0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh so then what's all this talk about progress?

0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.560
<v Speaker 1>And you know a few years ago there was a

0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.800
<v Speaker 1>boycott of the Oscars because not enough black people were

0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:34.560
<v Speaker 1>being represented.

0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Correct, So we care or we don't care? I'm confused, y'all.

0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Let me know, send me a DM. You know, you

0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.240
<v Speaker 2>can put a letter in the mail if you want,

0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.920
<v Speaker 2>but let me jump in right here please. So this

0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:52.680
<v Speaker 2>is why this is the burden. Okay, we all stand

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.440
<v Speaker 2>shoulder to shoulder in solidarity that, yes, we do need

0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.880
<v Speaker 2>more black representation, not just black people. There are non

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.000
<v Speaker 2>black allies that stand with us. Yes, there needs to

0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.800
<v Speaker 2>be more diversity. There needs to be more women, There

0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.639
<v Speaker 2>needs to be more l G B, t q I

0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.600
<v Speaker 2>A plus representation. There needs to be more Native uh

0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.600
<v Speaker 2>An indigenous representation, and so forth and so on, Asian

0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.320
<v Speaker 2>American and Asian you know, bona fide Asian.

0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.880
<v Speaker 1>UH and and Hispanic and and and so forth, right,

0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.080
<v Speaker 1>And that is true. We do need that. And we've

0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.360
<v Speaker 1>all stood together, we've all boycotted or voiced our opinions

0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:36.840
<v Speaker 1>or shared things online or whatever, and the feeling like, okay,

0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.760
<v Speaker 1>we're standing in solidarity, our voices are being heard. We

0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.880
<v Speaker 1>see progress. There there's more. There's more films, We see

0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.840
<v Speaker 1>more uh empowerment of women and and black folks and

0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and on down the list. We you know, there's there's

0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.840
<v Speaker 1>been more of that. Right, The weight of Will Smith

0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:01.720
<v Speaker 1>slapping Chris Rock in the face on live television and

0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:08.840
<v Speaker 1>embarrassing everyone, making everybody extremely uncomfortable right what it looks

0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:13.080
<v Speaker 1>like and feels like to me and to us a

0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of us. I can't speak for every black person,

0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:19.360
<v Speaker 1>but I do live a black life in a black community.

0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.880
<v Speaker 1>It feels like, well, now that we got here, that's

0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:31.639
<v Speaker 1>how you're going to act, you know, I and I

0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.200
<v Speaker 1>get it. I get it. There are some people who

0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.040
<v Speaker 1>say that man had to defend his wife, he had

0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.879
<v Speaker 1>to get up there, and he had to draw the

0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.840
<v Speaker 1>line somewhere, whatever, whatever the case. But if you're going

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to the optics of this are okay? Are we all

0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.520
<v Speaker 1>moving forward? That show is produced by a black person,

0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:56.800
<v Speaker 1>by Will Packer. By the way, there were black presenters,

0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.680
<v Speaker 1>women present you know, there was. There was a concerted

0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.560
<v Speaker 1>effort to make it. But the award of the night.

0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Was presented to Will Smith, the fifth black man in

0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the history of the Academy to win the award for

0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Best Actor. That isn't even an afterthought. It's not even

0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:25.680
<v Speaker 2>a thought. No one's talking about that. In a passing

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:30.280
<v Speaker 2>of the torch moment in a category up against Denzel Washington,

0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Will Smith won that award. No one cares, and some

0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:41.200
<v Speaker 2>people won't remember because of what happened a few minutes before, you.

0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Know the idea that.

0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Our woman in the space of bad words has to

0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.960
<v Speaker 2>be defended by her masculine hero of a man because

0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.920
<v Speaker 2>she can't articulate in her own right, because it's words.

0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 2>If that man had physically attempted to assault his woman

0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and got slapped in the face, then you got what

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you had coming. But a comedian cracked a joke, as

0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>they do. They do that, And I don't know if

0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.199
<v Speaker 2>you guys have ever watched the Academy Awards. It's a

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.560
<v Speaker 2>room full of really really rich, really really successful people

0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.960
<v Speaker 2>giving each other trophies for being really rich and successful.

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.160
<v Speaker 2>So part of the reason why there's a comedian hosting

0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.080
<v Speaker 2>every year is to kind of make fun of the

0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 2>really rich, successful people in the room side. That's the

0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:35.800
<v Speaker 2>whole point of it.

0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I get that. And I don't know if you guys

0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.120
<v Speaker 1>have ever met Jada Pinkett. Of course they haven't.

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 2>But I don't even mean in a personal sense. I

0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.960
<v Speaker 2>mean as an onlooker, as a fan, as a viewer

0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 2>a film TV the Red Table. She doesn't have a

0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:57.800
<v Speaker 2>problem with defending herself as an orator. She's not some damsel.

0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>That The reason I said that because for those that

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Q actually does meet these people. Q has

0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 1>met Will Smith. He actually lives that life, and that's

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 1>why it was a joke. Of course they haven't you have.

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 2>And pointing that out as to why this night was

0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.159
<v Speaker 2>so difficult for me. Some of the best advice I

0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 2>got as a young man trying to come into my

0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.639
<v Speaker 2>own as a professional was from Will Smith at his home.

0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.400
<v Speaker 1>So I was let down in a very personal way.

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 1>The other night.

0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I watched it about to happen, thinking there's no way

0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.159
<v Speaker 2>that this is about to happen. And I think the

0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.240
<v Speaker 2>reason why so many people's response was this has to

0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.560
<v Speaker 2>be fake is because in their mind, it could not

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:41.720
<v Speaker 2>be real that he would do that to him. Yeah,

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I brought up the idea that this somehow

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 2>proved that he didn't belong in that room, and how

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous that seems. However, the action in and of itself

0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:57.040
<v Speaker 2>proves the detractor right. I'm going to to add some

0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 2>levity or make light of a situation I used to manage.

0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 2>I used to be a road manager for comedians, most

0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:06.840
<v Speaker 2>noteworthy of them Earthquake.

0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Who's Special just dropped on Netflix. Check it out. It's

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:14.360
<v Speaker 1>hilarious part of their yearly calendar.

0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 2>At some point there is a space in the routing

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 2>for those guys to leave the country and go support

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>our troops. Earthquake bo Hugh Ley, like all of the

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.600
<v Speaker 2>biggest and best touring comedians, took some time out to

0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.879
<v Speaker 2>go make our troops laugh, you know, in Japan and

0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.160
<v Speaker 2>all over the world where our troops are based away

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.720
<v Speaker 2>from their families, defending our freedoms. And I'll never forget

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.680
<v Speaker 2>DL bringing up a story where on one of the bases,

0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:43.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, the black guys show up at Popeyes, and

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 2>the manager in Popeyes comes from behind the counter and says,

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I knew you would come. He meant this in the

0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 2>most racist way possible, except the black men are standing

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 2>in Popeyes right and now all you can do is

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:05.440
<v Speaker 2>laugh at the truth and what should have been insulting

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>When you walk on stage and you slap Chris Rock

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>in the face ten minutes before you win the Best

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Actor Award, all the people that want to say that

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the best of us are still not them because we

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:26.520
<v Speaker 2>are prone to violence, because we can't articulate, because we

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.479
<v Speaker 2>can't problem solve our way out of stuff.

0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.119
<v Speaker 1>We just want to fight that's the weight and hold on,

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 1>let me let me, let me just say this, that

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>weight is unfair. It is because you know what, as

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned in my monologue for my other show, I'm

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:47.600
<v Speaker 1>not Will Smith, every individual person should be able to

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:52.160
<v Speaker 1>make their decisions and be judged by their individual decisions. Right.

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not the sort of person that laughs

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>in the movie theater or talks throughout the horror movies.

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't even watch horror movies, but I am. It's

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.399
<v Speaker 1>sort of married to that stereotype. So I have to

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 1>be extra careful. When I leave a hotel room. I

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>try my best to leave it clean because the last

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 1>thing I need is for somebody who is not black

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:15.360
<v Speaker 1>to come in there and be like, black people are

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:22.159
<v Speaker 1>so dirty, right, reinforcing I'm somehow reinforcing some not completely

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>asinine stereotype, you know, And it's unfair to have to

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.399
<v Speaker 1>live under that pressure. You know, Will Smith walking on

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.679
<v Speaker 1>stage slapping Chris Rock sets me back because now the

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.199
<v Speaker 1>next time I get angry about something, you know, I

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 1>have to be mindful of the fact that now people

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:42.760
<v Speaker 1>are looking like, I don't know what you're gonna do.

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't have to be afraid of me.

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not Will Smith. I'm a different person. And so

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>that's I believe a very different experience than from white folks,

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 1>because again, if thoms Hank slaps someone, white people don't

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>wear that in the same way. And I think that

0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 1>is kind of what I wanted to press when I

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:06.399
<v Speaker 1>was writing this. Now, we do have to take a

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>break right here, but we're going to come back with

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:09.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more