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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Saturday, December thirteenth, and what a shocking downfall

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Speaker 2: for the former head coach of the University of Michigan

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Speaker 2: football team. And we've gotten more details and found out

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Speaker 2: that all of this stems from his mistress breaking up

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Speaker 2: with him. And with that, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 2: Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Roobes.

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Speaker 2: This is a shocking story in a lot of ways

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Speaker 2: because of the job he had, even more shocking with

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Speaker 2: some of the details we heard about in court yesterday.

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Speaker 2: But Robes, this does all stem from a relationship he

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Speaker 2: had and she broke up with them.

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Speaker 3: That was probably the most bizarre part of the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: To have this thirty nine year old man, head coach

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Speaker 3: University of Michigan, on his way up making six million

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Speaker 3: dollars a year, young young wife, young three young girls,

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Speaker 3: everything ahead of him. Why why would he throw it

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Speaker 3: all away? And yes, he lost his job because of

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Speaker 3: this relationship, because for whatever reason, she came forward. But

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Speaker 3: then he lost his freedom. I mean, he was jailed

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Speaker 3: because he decided to go back over to her place

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Speaker 3: and literally have a breakdown.

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Speaker 2: Something's not right with Sharon Moore right now. Look, you

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Speaker 2: everybody can speculate about what and why. But he had

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Speaker 2: a break of some kind and he doesn't. And we're

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Speaker 2: not just saying that, or we're the ones that feel

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Speaker 2: that they checked him out after this incident and took

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Speaker 2: him for a mental evaluation afterwards. But folks, if you

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Speaker 2: don't know the story by now, the University of Michigan

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Speaker 2: lost its football coach. When I say lost, these are

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Speaker 2: some of the biggest jobs robes in all of college athletics.

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Speaker 2: When you get a guy, they do everything in their

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Speaker 2: power to hold on to their guy. For them to

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Speaker 2: have to fire him, they had no choice by what

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Speaker 2: they saw.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the University of Michigan athletics department is everything, and

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Speaker 3: the football department is everything. They won the national championship

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Speaker 3: just what two years ago?

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Speaker 2: Two years ago he was an assistant on that team.

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Speaker 2: Jim Harball leaves to go professional, and people were so

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Speaker 2: excited that Michigan kept this guy. He wasn't some big

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Speaker 2: known commodity, necessarily some national name, but a lot. They

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Speaker 2: liked him there, and the players liked them there. And

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Speaker 2: to see Michigan give this guy a shot and then

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Speaker 2: he was successful, it was a great story. They ranked

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Speaker 2: nine and three playing Texas in a bowl game at

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. I mean, this is Michigan

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Speaker 2: versus Texas in a bowl game. Now, this is going

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Speaker 2: to be the thing, you know what, Michigan Texas. Even

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Speaker 2: if you don't watch college football, Michigan Texas, that's what

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Speaker 2: Michigan is.

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Speaker 1: And this is happening to that program right now.

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Speaker 3: And yes, and we have always talked about our love

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Speaker 3: of college football or huge college football fans, but there is.

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Speaker 4: Such huge money. Huge money.

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Speaker 3: I mean universities are made or can buy their athletics

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Speaker 3: department and specifically their football departments, and the fan base

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Speaker 3: and just the feeling of cheering for your university.

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Speaker 4: It's everything to these institutions.

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Speaker 3: And to lose the leader that, as you pointed out,

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Speaker 3: successful and I couldn't believe how young he was. I

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Speaker 3: was shocked when I saw he was thirty nine years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on his way up. Set for life really at

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Speaker 2: this point. To be a successful coach at Michigan for

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Speaker 2: a couple of years, even if you have now a

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Speaker 2: couple of terrible years, there's plenty of cult colleges ago. Wow,

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Speaker 2: he was successful there, We'll take him. Well, he was

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Speaker 2: set for life in terms of coaching, and this has happened.

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Speaker 2: But it does all break down to what we found

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Speaker 2: out yesterday, and again the order, make sure we get

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Speaker 2: the order right. It was fired then arrested. Right, He

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Speaker 2: wasn't fired because he got arrested for an incident.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that's funny, because you're right. I didn't

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Speaker 3: even think about it. It does usually work in the

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Speaker 3: other direction. You get arrested for something where your work

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Speaker 3: finds out and they fire you because of it.

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Speaker 4: Net this was the opposite, you are right.

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Speaker 2: And all this happened within an hour. They say he

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Speaker 1: So this goes back.

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Speaker 2: Now what we find out Robes, is this all kind

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Speaker 2: of started on Monday for him. On Monday, according to

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Speaker 2: the prosecutor, he was in Sharon Moore was in court yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I made his first quarter appearance.

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Speaker 2: But Roses goes back to Monday and they say, this

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Speaker 2: was a year's long relationship that he had with this

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Speaker 2: woman who was a staffer at the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Years long.

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Speaker 2: We don't know why, but for whatever reason, on Monday

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Speaker 2: she broke it off.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that is fine. I think that would have

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Speaker 3: been potentially a fireable offense. But we don't know what

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Speaker 3: she came to the university with, but we were told

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Speaker 3: that she came with evidence of something. But she said

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Speaker 3: that he started calling her and texting her repeatedly and unwantingly.

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Speaker 3: She didn't want any more contact with him, and he

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Speaker 3: basically she broke up with him, and he was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm guessing please take me back, and

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Speaker 3: just barraging her and harassing her. And she even said

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Speaker 1: Again? Was that the thing?

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Speaker 2: And you tell me if you've seen her or read

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Speaker 2: something differently, what she came forward with was evidence of

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Speaker 2: their relationship or was it evidence of some bad behavior

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Speaker 2: or something he had done.

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Speaker 4: I think my understanding, the way I took it, it

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Speaker 3: So she admitted to the relationship because she had to,

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Speaker 3: which obviously is inappropriate because she's a staffer and he

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Speaker 3: have started maybe when they were on more even keel.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what her role is at the university

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Speaker 3: at all and where they started out, how they started

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Speaker 4: But no, it seemed to me when they say she

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking that he started harassing her with texts and

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Speaker 3: you know, for whatever reason. And she brought all of

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Speaker 3: that to the university and said, look at what he's doing,

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Speaker 3: and yes we had a relationship, and yes I broke

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Speaker 2: So she broke it off on Monday. As we move

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Speaker 2: forward on the storyline or the timeline, on Wednesday, Wednesday

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Speaker 2: is the day he is now confronted by the University

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Speaker 2: of Michigan. They say they fired him immediately. They say

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Speaker 2: when they were presented with what they saw quick investigation

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Speaker 2: the same day.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why I think that the text messages must

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Speaker 1: So here he is. He gets fired.

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Speaker 2: We were told it happened one on one. He gets fired. Now,

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Speaker 2: according to prosecutors, he makes his way over to the

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Speaker 1: But they say he did go in uninvited. What's the word.

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Speaker 3: They barged through an unlocked door, so he didn't have

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Speaker 3: and apparently started yelling at her and grabbed butter knives

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Speaker 2: They were specific about the detail of two butter knives

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Speaker 2: and scissors.

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Speaker 3: Right, butter knives aren't exactly sharp, so I don't really understand.

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Speaker 4: That didn't seem very menacing.

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Speaker 3: If they said steak knives, if they said serrated knives,

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Speaker 3: if they said a bread knife, all of that, I

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Speaker 3: might be like oof. But no, butter knives fine, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how this sense, because this was an

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Speaker 2: alleged assault when we first heard about. They were responding

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Speaker 2: it was a possibility. But nothing the prosecutor said suggested

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Speaker 2: he threatened her.

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Speaker 3: That's true, he did not threaten to kill her, but

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Speaker 3: he said they actually had his words. I guess she

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Speaker 3: relayed them to police immediately, But she said that Searon said.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to kill myself. I'm going to make you watch.

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Speaker 4: My blood is on your hand. You ruined my life.

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Speaker 2: Now when you read that he had to be spiraling.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, an affair, one thing, awful enough wife,

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Speaker 2: and don't know what was going on with this other woman.

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Speaker 2: They said years long. That's at least two, could have

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Speaker 4: And how long has he been head coach?

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Speaker 2: Only two years, but he was at the university for

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Speaker 2: years prior, so this could have.

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Speaker 4: Been who knows, Yeah, could be five years. We don't know.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, that that happens, that's one thing. But robes

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Speaker 2: my goodness, you like you said he was, he's thirty

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Speaker 2: He knows it. And this woman that he apparently has

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Speaker 2: this is somebody I assume, very very close to Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: and she just turned on him in his mind and

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Speaker 2: has cost him the best job anybody who gets into

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Speaker 3: You must have been texting her some pretty heinous, threatening,

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Speaker 3: scary that's the only place my mind goes. She must

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Speaker 3: have felt like it was her only option, because you're right,

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Speaker 3: by someone. And she's the one who broke up with him,

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Speaker 3: So that's the only thing that I'm trying to quite

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Speaker 3: doing when she took this to Yeah, when she took

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Speaker 3: this university, this wasn't just about her protecting herself. She

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Speaker 3: knows she's ruining an entire entire man's life, an entire

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Speaker 3: football programs energy, she's taking the wind out of their sales,

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Speaker 3: she's creating a national scandal for the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: So she had to have known all of those things

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Speaker 3: that she was going to be the person at the epicenter.

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Speaker 3: And that is a huge I mean We don't have

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Speaker 3: her name right now, but I'm sure plenty of.

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Speaker 4: People know exactly.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think I heard today that someone said

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Speaker 3: this was the worst kept secret at the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knew this relationship was going on. So I can't

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Speaker 3: imagine now what her life is like. And she walked

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Speaker 3: just would think she had to have thought that through

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Speaker 2: Meaning it had to have risen to a really high

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Speaker 2: and serious level of something for her to do this, Well,

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Speaker 2: she had every right to do, like you said, we're

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Speaker 2: not doing that.

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Speaker 3: And for the University of Michigan to have reacted as

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's gonna he's an electronic monitor. Correct, So

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Speaker 3: Right We need people to still consider this university the

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Speaker 4: So he just lost about that.

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Speaker 2: But folks, yeah, they are what they play into this

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Speaker 1: I am T. J. Holmes, and we will talk to

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