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Speaker 1: Dude dund dot Up and Vanished is taking over Talking

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Speaker 1: This is about a year long investigation into a missing

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Speaker 1: has not been seen since August twenty twenty. The team

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Speaker 1: figure out what happened to her. If you're an Up

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Speaker 1: and Vanished listener and this is your first time hearing

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Speaker 1: starting on February sixteenth, recapping every single episode of Up

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Speaker 1: by some special guests, some other true crime podcasters, we'll

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Speaker 1: explore the different ways that we, as the producers of

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Speaker 3: I mean, basically what we found out was there's a

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like a radio host?

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Speaker 1: Why do you want to be an actor? Because I

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Speaker 2: I wanted to help kids?

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Speaker 2: It is a lot of acting. Man, it is a

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Speaker 2: You know, you as an actor, you have to get picked.

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Speaker 2: didn't get paid for the job.

436
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: Just like a hey, we're gonna put something out there

437
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: in the world.

438
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: It was just something that we were gonna do. We

439
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: got pulled into it, but then we ended up doing

440
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: a lot on it. And then right after that, I

441
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: got another small independent film and the filmmaker like didn't

442
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: want to let her down. I was like, hey, man,

443
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: you you picked me, so I'm here for you. I know,

444
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: ship money, I know, uh, I'm far away from home.

445
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: I know it's a strange movie, playing a vampire in

446
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: a Connecticut home, and I'm living in the set because

447
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: the mansion we're filming in, Like, but fuck it, you pick.

448
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: So I'm here, I'm here giving you my everything. And

449
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: then right right while I was in Connecticut doing the

450
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: Vampire movie, I get my next opportunity, which is Adam

451
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: Sandler film, like randomly throw myself on tape. This was

452
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: that's my boy. Okay, yeah, playing Chad the the Marine, Chad,

453
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: Chad the Marichiad.

454
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: Is he like Chad like every other Chad pretty much? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, uh.

455
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: He's He's a meathead, meathead marine. I said marine in

456
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: air quotes, because you haven't seen the film. You find

457
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: out he's not a marine, but he pretends very much

458
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: to be a marine. But I threw myself on tape

459
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: broad comedy doing some like wild shit that I wasn't

460
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: hadn't done since my early twenties.

461
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: Sounds fun. That was great.

462
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: It was a blast. And then the next day, two

463
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: o'clock in this I put myself on table at midnight,

464
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the afternoon, I was on the phone

465
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: with Adam Sandler's like, we're gonna have a great summer, buddy,

466
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. We're gonna be in Massachusetts's gonna

467
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: be awesome. You're gonna have a great time, And I'm like,

468
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: this is fucking crazy. I was ready to pack up

469
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: my bags, get the fuck out, move to Italy on

470
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: a passport, and now I'm working with Adam Sandler.

471
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: Wow.

472
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just kind of like hadn't stopped since then.

473
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: What did Adam tell you when you're working on set?

474
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: He didn't say anything. He's one of those guys you

475
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: just have to like beer around. You feel the positivity,

476
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: you feel the creativity, and you feel inspired. He's a

477
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: very wonderful, inclusive, top of his game kind of actor,

478
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: producer who just he wants the best from everybody around him,

479
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: and he gives his best and he's supportive. Like what

480
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: I found on that set was I was around a

481
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: bunch of real forward thinking comedians, like tons of tons

482
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: of guys Nick Swartz and uh, Dave Spade, all these

483
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Walker Rock was the next Summer in

484
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: Grom's too. But I was around all these like heavy,

485
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: heavy hitter comedians. And when you're on set doing a scene,

486
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: you would have to have alternate lines. You'd have to

487
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: have alternate you know, one liners, and you'd also not

488
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: only have to have them for yourself, you'd have to

489
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: have them for other characters.

490
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Really, oh yeah, like you have.

491
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: To show up. Will Forte was on that. Andy Samberg

492
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: was on that, just like a lot of like.

493
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: Kind of pivot, like you're doing comedy, Oh.

494
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally improv comedy stuff, and like you know, I'd

495
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: I'd throw lines out and Sam's like, oh it's funny,

496
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 2: and he'd use it and they make the You're like,

497
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: holy shit, that's kind of.

498
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: Crazy one of you guys.

499
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that and that's what I thought. I thought.

500
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: I thought I was one of them. And Sandler would

501
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: say to me, no, no, no, no, no, we're a bunch of

502
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: dip shits. You're a real actor. And I'm like, wow, no,

503
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm one of you guys. Like, no, no, no,

504
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 2: we're a bunch of dip shits.

505
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: You're a real act Wow.

506
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, I'll take the compliment.

507
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: But also like, no, madam, one of you guys didn't

508
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: make you think about that, like maybe there is another

509
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: chapter of your life beyond the acting you've done before.

510
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: No, because for for me, you know, acting is acting.

511
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you're on something that costs seventy

512
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: seven bucks and you're doing with your friends, or you're

513
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: on a big Adam Sandler comedy, or you're on a

514
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: show as serious and heartfelt as this is Us. It's

515
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: all the same. You know, you embody the character you're playing.

516
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: You put your full heart into it. You make them real,

517
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: you make them believable, and beyond that, have a good time.

518
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's the same. It's all the same.

519
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: After heroes, they kind of looked at you like Hollywood execs,

520
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: we're looking at you as the younger guy, but you

521
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: were transitioning to an older man. Yeah. Yeah, And I

522
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: guess at some point they realize, holy shit, this guy's

523
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: getting better looking. Thanks man, that's uh. Or what happened?

524
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: There was an executive, a guy named Greg Silverman. He

525
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: was running Warner Brothers Studio films. His younger brother had

526
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: been my agent's assistant when I was in my early twenties,

527
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: so I just kind of knew Greg. When I was

528
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: working on Gilmore Girls. I'd see him around the Warner

529
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 2: Brothers a lot, and he was around, Hey, Greg, how's going,

530
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Hey Milo, how you doing? Always like really really nice guy.

531
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: You know, in the back of my mind, I'm like

532
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: acting is acting to TV. Film doesn't matter. So I

533
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: would always feel like, because I knew one of the

534
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: higher ups of Warner Brothers film, maybe I'd have a

535
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: moment to get an opportunity on a movie with Warners.

536
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: Wasn't the case. We bumped into each other, I think

537
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: somehe around my early thirties. I think i'd gotten home

538
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: from the Sandler film and I packed on a lot

539
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: of weight, like a lot, a lot of muscle.

540
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: Just eating or just.

541
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: Eating everything, eating a lot, working out like that. Yeah, yeah,

542
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: eating a lot, working out a lot. But I just

543
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: had physically transformed in and he had reached out to

544
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: me randomly. He just reached out to me to talk

545
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: about art or something that he'd seen on my Instagram.

546
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: And I went through his office at Warners and we

547
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: sat down and we were talking about some art stuff,

548
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: and he was kind of pushing me in the direction

549
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: of meeting some other fine artists and he wanted to

550
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: kind of shepherd that career as a photographer. And then

551
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: we started talking about just filmworking the business, and he

552
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: said to me, he goes, you know, it's great that

553
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: we're sitting and talking. Now, you know, you're thirty three

554
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: years old, thirty four years old, He goes, we couldn't

555
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: do anything with you when you were in your twenties.

556
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: He goes, Men get much more interesting in their thirties,

557
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: more complex. There are roles that are better suited for

558
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: guys like you now, so he goes, it's great that

559
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: we're getting reacquainted. Did I get a Warner Bros. Feature

560
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: after that? No? I didn't. Did I have a burgeoning

561
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: art career, No I haven't. But he was also a

562
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: good reminder that there are stages with regards to being

563
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: an actor. Where you are are, you know, constantly growing,

564
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: constantly evolving, and you're never really gonna find an end.

565
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: You just have to find that evolution.

566
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: What do you mean an end? Like there is no

567
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: end game.

568
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: In terms of I was gonna quit the business. I

569
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: was gonna fuck off and live in Italy end right,

570
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: Like saying that's kind of like I'm not doing this anymore.

571
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this anymore. But I think what I

572
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: learned was to embrace the change of myself and the

573
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: roles that I could be playing. It's like I'll say it,

574
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: I'll mention from time to time, like I look forward

575
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: to playing a grandfather. Hopefully I'm still acting when I'm

576
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: in my seventies or my eighties, you know, and I'll

577
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: probably be getting like grandpa type roles and that'll be great.

578
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: Like this is us. You know, I was finally playing

579
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: you know, a husband, a father of three, stuff like that.

580
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: You know, Like did I kind of look at myself

581
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: and think to myself, oh, man, I'm America's dad.

582
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: No, but when you became that?

583
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: But came that? But really, all I was doing was

584
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: playing a version of my own dad, and playing a

585
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: version of like other great dads that I knew. I

586
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: got a ton of guys my asia, you know, had

587
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: young kids, and I see the way that they were

588
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: with their or are with their kids, and I remember

589
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: the way my dad was with me. And I'm like, well,

590
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: let me just embody that. Let me like drop that

591
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: deep down into my core, into my soul, into my heart,

592
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: into my balls, and just become that. And and thank

593
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: god we had wonderful writers that could reflect that, right,

594
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: because that helps. But then you know, performance wise is

595
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: like just make the words saying, make them real, make

596
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: them believable.

597
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: This is us. How long was that show running? I

598
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: mean a long time and that was like a really

599
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: huge show. Yeah, we did very success.

600
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: We did six seasons on that.

601
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: Did your fame change from your perspective before and after

602
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: that show?

603
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

604
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: Like give me example of that or how how you

605
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: realize that?

606
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: You know, every let's say large job that I've had,

607
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: and I'll say the kind of Touchsdownes, Gilmore Girls, Heroes

608
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: and this is us And there's you know, of course

609
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: other jobs in between, some Sandler films, Rocky Balboa, stuff

610
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: like that. But when you start getting different people walking

611
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: up to you on the street, you know, with Gilmore Girls,

612
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: there's a lot of like you know, college age twenty

613
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: something year old women and their boyfriends and the boys like, yeah,

614
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: I like this show too. He's like, you know, yeah,

615
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: looking but like yo man like Team Jazz cool. Yeah,

616
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: totally totally. Heroes was definitely an international crowd. Like I'd

617
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: be in Japan and people are like Peter Petrelli and

618
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, is that wild?

619
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

620
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: Or oh no, wait, actually even crazier. I was in Turkey.

621
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: I was on my way to an air Force base

622
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: in uh In in lic or inch Lick Air Force

623
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: base in Turkey on a USO tour and I was

624
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: at at a Turk airport and I saw some guy

625
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: from like way across the airport terminal and I was

626
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: standing in line to go through security and the dude

627
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: runs up to me. He looks at me, stops writ

628
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: with this you know partition. I'm like, what's going on?

629
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: Are you good? Yeah?

630
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 2: And then the guy's like, I don't believe you. I

631
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: don't believe you. You're like that's all he can say is

632
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: I don't believe you. And he's like trying to like

633
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: get the point across it, I don't believe you. I

634
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: was like, hey, I believe you.

635
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 4: No.

636
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: I was like, hey man, how are you? Myle and

637
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: nice to meet you, Like this was a really real

638
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: sweet guy and like shook his hand. But then security

639
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: lines moving, so I gotta keep going. But like international

640
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: and then this is us was everyone Yeah, every age,

641
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: every race, every religion, every everything. Everybody would say something

642
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: to me positive, enlightening and also reflective of their own life.

643
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: Which was the wonderful thing about that show was it

644
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: hit everybody in the heart. You didn't have to be

645
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: you know, in your twenties, you'd have to be in

646
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: your sixties. You didn't have to, you know, live on

647
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: an island and the mountains and the ocean, on the

648
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: land wherever. It's like you just you could be anyone

649
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: in connect to nearly every character on that show, and

650
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: if you didn't connect to all of them, you could

651
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: definitely connect to one or two of them to stick around.

652
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Was that fulfilling as an actor, to have that positive impact?

653
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: Very much? So that's what you're always That's that's the

654
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: real goal is when you understand that your hours on set,

655
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: your time learning lines, your care of the other actor

656
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: across from you, your support of the crew that's there

657
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: longer than the actors are means it because it's touching

658
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: somebody in their real life. And when they're able to

659
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 2: vocalize that and tell you about it and even get

660
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: emotional with it, you're like, holy shit, art has just

661
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: crossed over to something entirely different, entirely different, and it's

662
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: a wonderful, wonderful thing.

663
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: Did you take that and build your character even more

664
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: from it? I mean, did you? I don't know, did

665
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: it propel you in some way or did it just

666
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: affirm that this was correct?

667
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: I think it affirmed the project, you know, like how

668
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: good this project was. And it was good from the inside,

669
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: which was the special part for us making it. The crew,

670
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: the cast, the writers, the studio, the network, everybody was

671
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: very positive with the whole experience. We had hard days,

672
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, you butt heads with a few people in moments,

673
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: but everybody was there grateful of the work, grateful of

674
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: the job, grateful of the opportunity because it was just

675
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: rewarding and you knew it was giving back in a

676
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: way that nothing else could match it.

677
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: So it.

678
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: I didn't discover anything new because of it. I was

679
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: just reaffirmed that we're on the right path. We're we're

680
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: doing really good work.

681
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: So six years of this show, yeah, you've entered a

682
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: new level of notoriety just among viewers globally. What's the

683
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: best and worst thing about being famous?

684
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: The best? I mean, listen, give me a perk.

685
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, the positivity is great.

686
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: I was just about to give you the bullshit one. Actually,

687
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: not the bullshit, because it's actually it's really sincere and

688
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: as positive is is people smiling at you, you know,

689
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: like you never really think about it, like when you're

690
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: when you're just kind of out walking in the streets

691
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: and you pass by somebody and I'm just I'm a

692
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: friendly person. I smile at people. A lot of people smile.

693
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: A little bit more. Everyone does that.

694
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: Not everyone does that. But you know, you walking into

695
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: a restaurant, maybe someone's going to take notice. Maybe maybef

696
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: you're trying to get a building permit in Los Angeles.

697
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: Maybe they try and they notice who you are and

698
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: they don't give a fuck, right, you know. The downside

699
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: of that, it it comes with many interruptions in a day,

700
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: and they are at times interruptions, but it's also as

701
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: part of what the job is. Just somebody stopping you,

702
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: somebody want to take a photo.

703
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: Somebody a casual day out is not necessary. It's not a.

704
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: Casual day out. No, no, no, you know, And you know,

705
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: as as nice as it as, it is an experience

706
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: maybe for that person. When you stack up going out

707
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: in one given day and you kind of can't get

708
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: to the front of the line for your coffee without

709
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: talking to twenty people, you have those days where you

710
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: just kind of want to like to be quiet. You

711
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: want to be quiet, you want to just like sit

712
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: in your own head. You know, you could give somebody

713
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: a coffee order or order a meal, or go to

714
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: a movie and just kind of like sit quiet. That's

715
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: just gone.

716
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: Gone.

717
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: It's just gone.

718
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: So what do you do instead?

719
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: Smile? Smile, smile, be grateful?

720
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: You know you ever plan your day differently based on

721
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't want someone to take a picture of me

722
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: over here and these joggers or whatever.

723
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: I guess also like always be prepared like I would

724
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: walking my dog in the neighborhood, like rolled out of bed,

725
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: toss on some shorts and a T shirt and a cap.

726
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if that shit matched, but it's like,

727
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: who gives a fuck, I'm wha now my dog? Or

728
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, walking out of a gym, you know, super

729
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: pumped up and like have my shorts pulled up and

730
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: get snapped and all of a sudden it bust the

731
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: internet like Kim Kardashian's you know, back in. But you know,

732
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: it's like those things happen. It's it's part of the job.

733
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: Is it is what it is. And I think it

734
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: also means that people are paying attention. And if people

735
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: are paying attention, what is your intention out in the world?

736
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: What are you going to do or you're going to

737
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: be a dick. You're going to be positive? Yeah, you know,

738
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: I think I always try to be positive. Ninety nine

739
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: percent of the time I can be positive, you know.

740
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 2: But it's also there's those human moments like this morning,

741
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm waiting in line to grab a bagel and I've

742
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: got my dog and the gal behind me just reaches

743
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: down and starts petting it. I excuse me, may want

744
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: to ask before you do that, and she goes, can

745
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: I pet your dog? I go, yeah, go ahead, you

746
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: can say hi. But like I realized in that moment,

747
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, was that sharp?

748
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I think I might be Say it again?

749
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, say it again. Yeah, Hey here

750
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: it is. Oh the world there is you know, yeah,

751
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: it is what it is. It is what it is.

752
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: You know. I think you've played and this is us,

753
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: especially this very powerful positive character that had a great

754
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: impact on people's lives, and you know, the way that

755
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: they're dealing with their own stuff, which is awesome. And

756
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: is there any sort of negativity that you see from

757
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: like haters on the internet or I don't know, people

758
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: writing about you, and how do you deal with that?

759
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: Have a good relationship with the LA Police Department and

760
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: La Sheriff Department because you got friends. Stockers are real

761
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 2: things like that. It happens. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I've

762
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: had people knock on my front doors before, great on

763
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: the cameras to see you talk talk. For the most part,

764
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: what do they think is gonna happen? I have no idea.

765
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: Probably probably probably like you know, invitamin and be their

766
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: best friend for for however long the rest of their lives.

767
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know, you know. I mean, it's

768
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: it's interesting being let's say, on the other side of it,

769
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: if there's a musician or an artist, or an actor, writer, director,

770
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: anybody in the arts, whatever athlete that I admire, I

771
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: see that. I'm always just like, hey, man, I appreciate

772
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: your work. Hey, hey, I love your work. Hey, I

773
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: appreciate you and what you stand up for, you know,

774
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: like anything like that. Like I just keep it really simple.

775
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: I've been on the side of it. But when it

776
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: becomes this like fervent desire to know and almost intrude

777
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: in somebody's lives, Like I never want to do that,

778
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: but I can't understand why anybody else will want to

779
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: do that. But it's just it's the cult of celebrity too.

780
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: You know.

781
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: I think people escape their own lives and they create

782
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: a life. And here's an interesting thing. I'm primarily a

783
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: television actor, which means I'm in people's homes. I'm in

784
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: their bedrooms with you.

785
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: Is that a factor you think, you know?

786
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: And especially well especially now, I think now it's changed

787
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: up a little bit. You know, everybody can be in

788
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: their in their bedroom with Brad Pitt, you know, before everybody,

789
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: but well not everybody, but like that, you'd have to

790
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: you'd have to, you know, buy a movie ticket, you'd

791
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: have to go go to a theater, leave your house,

792
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: spend money to go be with Brad Pitt. Whereas a

793
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: guy like me, who's on your television every Tuesday or

794
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: Sunday or Friday or whatever show I'm on, you be

795
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: laying in bed.

796
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: You don't have to change.

797
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: I love you just the way you are, you know.

798
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: So I think it's a strange thing where there's a

799
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: familiarity to primarily television actors. Although now it's like everything's

800
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: on streaming and online and on your TV's at home,

801
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: so like no one even goes to the theater, which

802
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: is sad, But I feel like that creates a bit

803
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: more familiarity and a bit more fantasy fulfillment. So when

804
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: so people truly think that I am a part of

805
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: their world, not that they know me, but I am

806
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: a part of their world, you know, Like it would

807
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: almost be a I mean, that'd be a funny movie

808
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: if you had somebody that was, like, you know, a

809
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: fan of some actor and then all of a sudden,

810
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: you know, they have these fantasies that this actor is

811
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: like really in the room with them and like living

812
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: their lives. Like I'll bet people, I bet that shit

813
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: is real. I bet people totally experience that.

814
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah, if you're knock on your door

815
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: randomly thinking that we're gonna have a convo today and

816
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: it's all good, you're thinking something else that's not true, right.

817
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah totally. But then like when you know you're actually

818
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: confronted with that and like you know, knock on the

819
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: door and you open the door and you know there's

820
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: there's a mom with her i'd say early adult son, okay,

821
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: and she just goes, oh my god, it's you. So

822
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: what do you do have a conversation with them? And

823
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: then when you let them know wasn't right to knock

824
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 2: on someone's door, ask if they're going to be visiting

825
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: anybody else, whether they're in the city of Los Angeles, okay,

826
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: and encourage them to just go to Disneyland, go see

827
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: some sights, have some good meals.

828
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: Did they drive to you from some I have no idea,

829
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: but could have. Yeah, maybe I have no idea.

830
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: I've had people with foreign accents knock on my door.

831
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

832
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

833
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: Like I said, you become friends with law enforcement. It's

834
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: not a bad thing.

835
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Is there any other celebrity, artists or musician that you're

836
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: just such a fan of that you would be star

837
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: starstruck by?

838
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: I don't really get starstruck really no. I mean I

839
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: think because no matter what you end of the day,

840
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: it's like we're all people, every single one of us.

841
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: We're all the same, one hundred percent the same. There

842
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: are people I admire, I can't even call one out

843
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: by name, But I don't think i'd be starstruck. I

844
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: think I recognize the human being first, and the artists, athlete, whatever,

845
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: any anything beyond musician second. You know, So I don't

846
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: feel I wouldn't feel struck to walk up and talk

847
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: to somebody, to have a conversation with someone you know

848
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: and even like to like not even because I am

849
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: who I am in the business that I'm in, but

850
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 2: just like human to human it's like, oh, Wow, there's

851
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: someone someone that I know cool. Like I went I

852
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: went the surf down at Huntington Beach like a while

853
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 2: back with a buddy and there was the US Open

854
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: I think the first week or there's some tournament down there,

855
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: and saw just like a bunch of surfers and like

856
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, there's so and so, others so

857
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: and so, there's so and so cool foods here, and

858
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: you know it's like yeah, but like, am I gonna

859
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: run up and you know talk to people? No? Do

860
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: I need to make friends them?

861
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: No?

862
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: I can still admire them.

863
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: You know, what's the biggest misconception about Nilo? Is there one?

864
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what conceptions are out there.

865
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: You don't. I mean, I'm not saying that there is any,

866
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: but like, do you have no idea? I mean, people

867
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: I've never seen to say a thing bad about you,

868
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: but they but they talk about your life a little bit.

869
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: Oh sure, I mean like it's.

870
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: They understand the real you.

871
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: Or I think there's a version that I give to

872
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: to life. It's a very deep reflection of who I am.

873
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: You know, my mom and my dad that raised my sisters,

874
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: and I very with a lot of kindness and care.

875
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: I feel a lot of strength and a lot of heart.

876
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: And when I'm out in the world, you know, it's

877
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: it's a kind of lead with all of that. But

878
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: I also in moments have to remember that in my

879
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: job there are a lot of people looking but not

880
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: looking because like, oh, hey, the mile of Ntamilia, but

881
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: like just wanting to like dig and claw and like

882
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: really kind of see behind you know, the door a

883
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: little bit deep or something like that. And I don't know,

884
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: I think because of that it caused me to yees,

885
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: still be kind. But I'm also pretty reserved, you know

886
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: consciously or yeah, consciously, like I have I have to

887
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: understand that. You know what, however I interact with somebody,

888
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: that person may remember it. They may remember details, they

889
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: remember things, and therefore they have information. And you know,

890
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: it's kind of like how do you keep a private

891
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: life private or personal life person personal, but yet be

892
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: a public figure at the same time. You know, It's

893
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: like it's it's a dance. But fundamentally it's like no,

894
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: it's like, just just just be a com person, be

895
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: like a decent person, you know, just there's a version

896
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: of of who I am fundamentally that's always represented out

897
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: in the world.

898
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: You know. Do you remember how we met, like a

899
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: few years ago.

900
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean it was Russ Russ Russ cold called.

901
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Why did you call us? What was the plan?

902
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: Because you guys are talented, I mean because you guys

903
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: had you guys had a story to tell that we

904
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: thought was fucking fascinating.

905
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you knew me from you from

906
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast? No, were you going to stalk me?

907
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't going to stalk you. Now, yeah, I

908
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: have my big friend call you. That's the first thing. Yeah, yeah,

909
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: because it'd be a little weird if my Levontimilli picked

910
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: the phone call. I think you had a lot of

911
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: personality in it. I think you presented again a version

912
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: of who you are, and then over time getting to

913
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: know you, it's like, oh yeah, no, I I see,

914
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: I see what you had to do within you know,

915
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: the let's say, within the walls of up and vanished.

916
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: But also it's like that's only this much of who

918
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: you are. That's only a small portion of who you are.

919
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: And it's like and then as time get to know

920
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: each other, it's like, oh shit, now there's a such

921
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: you know, a lot, a lot more than just that

922
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: little bit that you get. It's the same thing with

923
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: like me. You know, people get a small taste and

924
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: you know, an hour of TV once a week, you know,

925
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: but it's like there's a whole other human being inside there.

926
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: It was cool to me when we first met you

927
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: and Russ. You guys mentioned the correlation between Donald and I,

928
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: my business partner, and your relationship with him. Yeah, tell

929
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: me about Russ and your relationship and how important it is.

930
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: Oh man, Uh, we're pretty much married three times over

931
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 2: in business. We've been friends shit twenty God, I don't

932
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: even think I can count twenty five plus years something

933
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: like that. Twenty four plus years. Twenty four plus years.

934
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

935
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: We share the same goals, but we have different ways

936
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: to get there.

937
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: We have like he doesn't want to be an actor

938
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

939
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to He doesn't want to be an actor,

940
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: but like he also wants to he wants to tell stories.

941
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: He wants to get of course he wants to, Like

942
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: you guys can like to have your roles or something.

943
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: We there, you go, we have we have our roles.

944
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: You know.

945
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: It's like he knows that I'm I'm the I'm the

946
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: artist on set right, He's the guy in the office

947
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: getting me on set. You know, we have our dynamics.

948
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: But then fundamentally, like how we get there and when

949
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: we're let's say, you know, on a set or in

950
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: battle or whatever like that, you're like, we're there looking

951
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: out for one another. You know, nobody's closer. I mean

952
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: I could, I could be on a set with my actors.

953
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: Russ and I are still closer because there's a bigger

954
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: thing going on that we've been doing for years and

955
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: we've been kind of working on and you know, his

956
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: growth is my growth and my growth is his growth,

957
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: which ultimately kind of like carries into our company. Like

958
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: Deanna who works with us for now almost eight years.

959
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: She's amazing. It's like any relationship though, it's like you know,

960
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: you've got to evolve, you've got to grow, and moments

961
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: you know things are going to be trying, but you

962
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 2: also have to understand why this person means so much

963
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: to you.

964
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: You know, like why is that?

965
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: Because I care about Russ I care about him as

966
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 2: a person, like he's my best friend, Like I care

967
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: about him as a human being. I want to see

968
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: him succeed And because of that, I will break my

969
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: ass to make that happen for my friend, not even

970
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: for me, you know, And I believe that he feels

971
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: the same, you know. So it's just it's just one

972
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: of those partnerships that works.

973
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: And you know, it's it cool to share that with

974
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: your best friend, just because not everyone has that, really right,

975
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: and that best friend person that you trusted kind of

976
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: before all this, yeah, that can be along this ride

977
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: with you and share it with you.

978
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, it's fascinating because you know, you're what

979
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: I see is a lot of actors getting pretty some partners,

980
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: Like they just pick one up. Yeah, all of a sudden,

981
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: you get some success, you get a deal somewhere, and

982
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: they just pick up a partner. I'm like, I've got one.

983
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: I've been kind of doing life old yeah. Yeah, old

984
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: Dog's been like doing it for a long time. Yeah, right,

985
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: for a long long time. So within that, you know,

986
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: it's comforting. Yeah, but it's also like you still got

987
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: to get out there and hustle. You gotta like work,

988
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: you know, and where Russ works pretty fucking hard.

989
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Terriga instead case, Uh, you listened to up in Vanish

990
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: season one? What did you think about that towards the end?

991
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: What has happened to her? As?

992
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: It was like did it real life? Like yeah, like

993
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: doings on the fucking run?

994
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean.

995
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: It was one of those things where you're kind of like,

996
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: this is all I just I just listened to the

997
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: story that I did not know about and wait, it's

998
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: still happening. Yeah, I don't know, It's just it's kind

999
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: of unbelievable, like the circumstances of everything and like how

1000
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: it all kind of went down. But then you know

1001
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: where you were able to pick up on something, talk

1002
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: to your grandmother and then figure out like, oh, I'm

1003
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: going to go to this town like that's just that's bananas. Yeah,

1004
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: and then you and Donald like really getting into the shit, yeah,

1005
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: and talking to everybody in piecing things together and then

1006
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: you guys pretty much like reopening this case and then

1007
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: it has you know, a round up. It's like that's

1008
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: that's that's crazy again. Art impacting life.

1009
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: The business stuff we were talking about when we first met,

1010
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: was this idea of making a scripted version of Up

1011
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: and Vanished, And you were like, I'm gonna play I

1012
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: want to play you Payne, Yeah, And I was like, holy,

1013
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't look anything like that guy.

1014
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 2: It's okay, man, I could bleach my hair, blinde.

1015
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: You could write yeah. But then you you kind of

1016
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: changed later on and said I want to play the

1017
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: bad guy.

1018
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1019
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: What was that thought line there? The challenge of it or.

1020
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: I think everybody expects you know, you're an actor who

1021
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: also producers. I think everybody expects you to jump into

1022
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: what that Lee role is? You know, you and Donald

1023
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: investigating like there was. There were many versions that we

1024
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: had talked about, yah, finding other great actors, like I

1025
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: don't know a guy like Moe McRae, bay Donald, who's

1026
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: a good friend, you know, me playing you. But it

1027
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: also I started really kind of look at myself. I'm like, fuck,

1028
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm getting a little older, right, And there was something

1029
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: about you at the time when you were recording that

1030
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: you were younger, and I felt like there were ideas

1031
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: you had about the world. But then this experience of

1032
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: investigating that changed all that, and I felt like where

1033
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 2: I was already in my maturity. I couldn't go back

1034
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: to play somebody that was discovering that not grow up, no, no, no,

1035
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: not but would not grow up. But it's like, you know,

1036
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: like I can't play I can't. It's not believable to

1037
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: me playing someone that's just having that that self discovery,

1038
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: who's whose life is completely fucking shifted, who pretty much

1039
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: grew up in the course of there are five of

1040
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: them right now. Shit, there was ten nineteen. Fuck, I

1041
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: can't remember how long it is listening to the whole

1042
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: thing at all.

1043
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: In one season one, Yeah, it was like a million episode.

1044
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 2: It was a million. It was a lot. But like

1045
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot that I think you

1046
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: had experienced in your in your journey, you know, and

1047
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: I think where I was. I'm like, I don't know

1048
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: if I can play that character anymore. It's not believable.

1049
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: I don't believe myself that I could play the guy

1050
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: who's discovering something like you were discovering yourself of the world,

1051
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: of the surroundings of everything. So then I kind of pivoted.

1052
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: And when when Russ and I were talking, he's like, dude,

1053
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: you just put on some way grow up Barry and

1054
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: play Josh And I was like, that'd be fucking sick

1055
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: with you. It was funny with me, but it was

1056
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: also like kind of a challenge. You know. It's one

1057
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: of those things.

1058
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: Like sort of I mean I thought, it's be the

1059
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: coolest shit ever to become this character, right, sure, just

1060
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: full commit Sure.

1061
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: I mean I've done it before in a lot of

1062
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: different roles, a lot of different ways. You know, it's like,

1063
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: it's what's interesting to me? You know, where am I

1064
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 2: gonna like, actually, where am I going to serve the

1065
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: project best? And then that lead role was like, you know,

1066
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: playing Payne Lindsay. I'm like, I think we could probably

1067
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: get a better actor to play you. You know, I

1068
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: think they're looking or one thousand percent get a better

1069
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: looking actor than me to play you. Yes, I don't know.

1070
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: I mean I still I still think it's a fascinating

1071
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: story that needs to be told.

1072
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I was like talking to Donald last

1073
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: night and this came. I was like, I'm seeing my

1074
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: little tomorrow. Whatever happened to that. I'm more all busy,

1075
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: We're doing stuff, and you know, we kicked it around

1076
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: a little bit but didn't sell it or anything.

1077
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: But it's also too it's like finding the right partners, yeah,

1078
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: for sure, and and right partners in terms in this

1079
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: case writer, yes, finally the right writer. Yep, you know,

1080
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: because I know we'd had a few different guys that

1081
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 2: were interested in it and whatnot, but the story that

1082
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: they were telling is it wasn't selling. The good news

1083
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: is it's an evergreen idea. That's a great story to tell.

1084
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: It's better ten years later or something, right exactly. Development

1085
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: is long, really really really long. I mean, somebody was

1086
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: saying to me there was some movie that went into production,

1087
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: was going into production roughly soon, that was in a

1088
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: development list of somebody like fifteen years ago. Yeah, some

1089
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: feature film. I wait, I think my manager was talking

1090
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, I'll come up with what it is.

1091
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: But development's long, you know, it takes time, and also

1092
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: to where it's like, you know, there we couldn't do

1093
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: the traditional television scrip television thing with It's like, okay, cool,

1094
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 2: we got a feature film. It all right, Let's let's

1095
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: find the way to do that. Let's architect that. See

1096
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: if we can't do that with ye, So.

1097
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: You do a lot of press junkets and stuff you know,

1098
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: interviews for news shows, movies. What's the question that you

1099
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: get asked the most that you're just like, oh god,

1100
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: and you answer it nicely, but you're.

1101
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: Like, probably the first question you asked about Fresh Prince

1102
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: of bel Air, is it? I think everybody goes back

1103
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: to it.

1104
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so crazy.

1105
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: But what was great about it was literally last night

1106
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: I'm in my garage part and I find the script.

1107
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is new, this is something new, and

1108
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: the story never gets old. It's just it's one of

1109
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: those things, you know, anybody does some research online, they

1110
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: do some deep dive in like that pops up and

1111
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 2: I get it and I fucking thousand percent understand right,

1112
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, so it doesn't get old. But it's also

1113
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: like huh huh, good one. No, yeah, it's okay. It's

1114
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: probably like the very first thing on Wikipedia.

1115
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Actually it is, but it is.

1116
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: I bet it is.

1117
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. They made sure to add that, didn't they.

1118
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: They have to work starts there first paid gig work

1119
00:57:54,320 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: with Will Smith. I mean the Yeah, Our Girls is

1120
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: a big thing. Maybe have like a cult like following

1121
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: they do. Do you get tired of being asked those questions?

1122
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: Or are you just afraid to answer that because he

1123
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: don't want them to come after you. No, not at all.

1124
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: It's not quite like a you know, Taylor Swift pope,

1125
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: but they are die hard fans. Like last a couple

1126
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: of night scaes out getting some food. I was at

1127
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: this restaurant, little spot in Santa Monica, good noodles called Blossom.

1128
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: It's a fu restaurant. Sitting outside and walking past was

1129
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: a director that I've worked with on This Is Us.

1130
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: He does he had done a ton of episodes. Really

1131
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: sweet guy named Chris. I saw his wife and oldest

1132
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: daughter walk first, but they didn't recognize me. And then

1133
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: I see Chris and his younger daughter walk past. My

1134
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: Chris like, hey, we stopped talking to me to his

1135
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: younger daughter, you know, give hugs, hello, see in the neighborhood.

1136
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: And he walks off. So then we and then like

1137
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: you know, get back to my soup. And then like

1138
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: he walks back and he goes, hey, so my older

1139
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: daughter wanted to meet you, and like his older daughter's

1140
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: like not breathing.

1141
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: She's just not breathing. Check on your daughter pretty much,

1142
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: she's just like more girls my favorite showed.

1143
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm like cool, how many times. Have you seen the

1144
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: entire season all the way through seven seats or the

1145
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: entire show seven seasons all the way through. She's like four.

1146
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like, wow, those numbers are low.

1147
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: No, like I've I've heard some people been seven, eight, nine,

1148
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: nine times through all seven seasons, which has been as

1149
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: I don't have something like they must not work.

1150
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: No job, Yeah, don't work their TVs.

1151
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: Bro, you were about to say, no judgment, no judgment,

1152
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: man like judgment.

1153
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: You know that that one. It's like, that's too much,

1154
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: So there's something wrong. We should talk about this.

1155
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: Either that or it's pure comfort food and that you can't.

1156
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: You can't probably that. I bet it's that you're looking

1157
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: at one over there who's it's brought your name years ago.

1158
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: She was like, oh my god, the guy from Gilmore Girls.

1159
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. And I was like, oh,

1160
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: it looks like him, Yeah, I love I don't know. Yeah.

1161
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: Then she showed me and proceeded to show me a

1162
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: lot of episodes.

1163
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, I even last night. Last night I

1164
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: found the Jess's leather jacket. Really like his leather. Yeah,

1165
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: you know exactly what we're talking about.

1166
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like, what's that one again?

1167
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it wasn't an episode. It's just there was

1168
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: like this leather jacket that Jess war that became like

1169
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: Jess's leather jacket, super iconic. I have it. I found

1170
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: it last night. It was like in a bin at

1171
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: my house in the garage. Yeah, I found like all

1172
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 2: these random costume shit. I was like, oh interesting, it's like.

1173
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: That that role was one of those things where people

1174
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: might know you from that or started there. Yeah, my

1175
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: personal favorite of yours, which I want to know how

1176
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: you were able to get into this character.

1177
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: Can't wait, man, because it's.

1178
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: Just the level of I mean, I'll find it.

1179
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: Oh, you can give me a photo.

1180
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a clip from it.

1181
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: Oh oh this is fergy big girls don't cry right,

1182
01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 2: m oh yeah.

1183
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

1184
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: The best part is not when oh.

1185
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: Wow that was me?

1186
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh crazy, it looks like I look more like you man.

1187
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: I was covered in tattoos.

1188
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: It's a a badass to do right here.

1189
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a drug dealer. She was dealing drugs.

1190
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: He was doing some like bad stuff. He wasn't too

1191
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: nice to Stacy, No, no, he was not. She's lovely though,

1192
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: I bet she is. She's super super kind. I don't

1193
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: even know how they came up. I just got a

1194
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: phone call, I think from my manners, like hey, uh,

1195
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: Fergie wants to put you in a music video. And

1196
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, you say, yes, of course

1197
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: I think I But I was a little more like,

1198
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: all right, how why I don't I don't get it?

1199
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: Why me?

1200
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: Why you know? I do know who Fergie is. I

1201
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: knew a boyfriend at the time or make was were

1202
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: they married, Josh Dumont, because we were both doing shows

1203
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 2: on NBC. But then yeah, I just showed up and like,

1204
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, one day, got all these tattoos put on me,

1205
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: and you know, dealing drugs and and and hanging out

1206
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: with with Fergie and just you know, she never really

1207
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: done anything performative like.

1208
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: That, like an acting part.

1209
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like she was great. You know,

1210
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: she was great. But also I had to sing and

1211
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: do all that stuff too. She's wonderful. Yeah, tell me

1212
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: about your getting into the role for that one.

1213
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: You had to believe it.

1214
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: I was dealing drugs earlier in the day.

1215
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a method actor for that one, yeah,

1216
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: you have to go sling.

1217
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: Some for a little bit, totally sit in the chair

1218
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: a few hours and sometimes around you totally just preparing

1219
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: my role pretty much.

1220
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: Is there your relationship to veterans military? Yeah, tell me

1221
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: about that.

1222
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: My dad's a Vietnam Vet. Like I said, I wanted

1223
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: to go into the Navy to fly jets. I feel

1224
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: like I'd always had this calling to serve that I

1225
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: never went in the direction to wearing the uniform, and

1226
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: because of it, I was like, well, how do I

1227
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: serve that community? How do I actually take what I've

1228
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: done as as an actor with the platform that I

1229
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: have and give back to that community. So it started.

1230
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: One of my agents that works on the foundation side

1231
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: of an old agency I was with, she pulled me

1232
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: into a USO tour and so went to Iraq in

1233
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: Afghanistan in two thousand and.

1234
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: Eight.

1235
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: What's that like, fucking war?

1236
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?

1237
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: I mean listening, there were I think there were moments

1238
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: that were real, very real. You know, we almost fell

1239
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: out of a black Hawk. The doors were open, and

1240
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: I was just taking photographs of all kinds of stuff.

1241
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: We were in Afghanistan, and I remember remember we had

1242
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: just gotten back from a sortie out to fob Tilman

1243
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: Ford operating based Tillman named after Pat Tillman. And right

1244
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: when our helicopters landed on Base uh they were loading

1245
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 2: up caskets, two caskets onto a C seventeen to send

1246
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: them back to Delaware. You know, dover passed through where

1247
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: where all of our kia. That real real because like

1248
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, you're you're in a desert that kind of

1249
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: looks like Arizona. You know, Iraq looks like Arizona. Afghanistan

1250
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: kind of looks like Palm Springs. But you know, you're

1251
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: in a war zone and you're you're watching a lot

1252
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: of Americans and other forces that are partnering with America,

1253
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: you know, fight some injustices and stuff over there, and

1254
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: you're seeing civilians that live over there, and it's just

1255
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: it's just a very real experience.

1256
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: And I was a.

1257
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: Spect hater to a degree. You know, if you're not

1258
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: wearing the uniform like you're spectating, the ones that are

1259
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: wearing the uniform are like they're really doing the work.

1260
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: They're in battle, they're in battle, or they're in support roles,

1261
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: or they're just they're they're in theater like they're they're

1262
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: they are there in the capacity of representing the US. Anyhow,

1263
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 2: I went to Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan, and after that

1264
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: I met some other veterans kind of that had had done,

1265
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: uh done their duty. Guy named Paul Raikoff who ran

1266
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: started and ran the Iraq in Afghanistan Veterans of America

1267
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: and Todd Bowers who was in between deployments staff sergeant

1268
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 2: in the Marine Corps. And I just got to be

1269
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: friends with them, and then it was like, well, how

1270
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: can I how can I be involved?

1271
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: You know?

1272
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: And and when I I hesitated using the word spectator,

1273
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: I feel like there are real spectators from my side

1274
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: of things that want that experience of war without actually

1275
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: having that experience.

1276
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Oh, you mean like they want

1277
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: to they talk to talk about don't walk the walk

1278
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: or something.

1279
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: They want to go and they want to see what

1280
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: it's all like and they want to be protected. And

1281
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: when they get home, they don't do anything with that information.

1282
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: Okay, they don't fouristically or something right.

1283
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: Kind of kind of And I've seen that a lot.

1284
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's a very rare thing to

1285
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: be invited into the military space in whatever capacity you

1286
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: are going to a war zone or going to Walter

1287
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: Reed Hospital or spending time with gold Star families. Like

1288
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: it's a commitment that you don't ever walk away from. Yeah,

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01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: So when I say spectator, I would see like my

1290
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: early entrance into that world of working with veterans groups

1291
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: or active duty or whatnot. A lot of actors, musicians,

1292
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: athletes that were there. But when that experience was done,

1293
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: that tour was done, that you know, meet at the

1294
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: hospital is done, they kind of like fuck, go off

1295
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: back into their lives.

1296
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: So what do you do differently?

1297
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 2: Stayed involved? I still do what I can for gold

1298
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: Star family. So and anybody that doesn't know what a

1299
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 2: gold Star family is, it's a family member mother, daughter, husband, wife,

1300
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: child of someone who's killed in combat. You get that

1301
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: designation of being a gold Star family member. That community,

1302
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: you know, is experiencing the worst of what war is.

1303
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: They're lost, their their loved ones are lost. And because

1304
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: of that, you know, the nation owes them a great

1305
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: deal of gratitude and support financial or other. And I

1306
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: think there are some systems in place that fail those

1307
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: families in times. So I do some work with some

1308
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: groups that and some more individuals that have a high

1309
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: impact on those families staying involved with that. Also trying

1310
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: to get a war memorial built, the Vietnam War Memorial,

1311
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: there's Korean War memorials, World War two, War War One,

1312
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: the Global War on Terrorism. There's finally going to be

1313
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: a memorial, but that was an uphill battle to get.

1314
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: Like there were senators in the Senate that were going

1315
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: against bills that would give a proper placement. I won't

1316
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: name any names, but you know, talking to Senator Mansion

1317
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 2: and having him block something, it's like, well, all right, dude,

1318
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: that's not right. I'm gonna go to Twitter and I'm

1319
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 2: gonna go on the news. I'm gonna go do some

1320
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 2: stuff and you know, not to be antagonistic, but to

1321
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: let people in my sphere know that you're blocking this

1322
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 2: and the force. He relents, and of course placement happens

1323
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: at the on the National Mall where it should be,

1324
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like just for me, it's staying

1325
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: active and the job, the task mission is always going

1326
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 2: to change. But for me giving support to the military,

1327
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 2: which is a political which is for the people, for

1328
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: the nation, the sports, the constitution. Like I always just

1329
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 2: wanted to do what I can to serve that group.

1330
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: I want to say, congratulations you got married. I did.

1331
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: How'd you know you found the one?

1332
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's like when when you're in greatness, you

1333
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: just you know, around somebody great, you just you get

1334
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: completely enraptured in it. So that's all I say about that.

1335
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that okay, that's true. Fair, But you did

1336
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: go on a secret wedding, which is cool. Yeah, and

1337
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: like that's exactly what I would do. I'm not gonna,

1338
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, hit DMZ up about it. That's kind of

1339
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: badass that you were just cool. We're gonna go do this,

1340
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna like let you guys in right.

1341
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean, listen to this. It goes back to the

1342
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: conversation we had earlier. You know, like what's the downside?

1343
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to know your business? So our private moments

1344
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 2: really that private? Or personal moments really that personal? Yeah,

1345
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: And you know I feel that even someone in my

1346
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: position who's in the public eye, the public figure when

1347
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 2: you say celebrity, public figures, we have a right to

1348
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: privacy as well. We have a right to have moments

1349
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 2: be sacred, to be private, to be only exclusively for

1350
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 2: the people that need to be there. Family, you know,

1351
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: so I'm grateful that we were able to do that

1352
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: for ourselves to enjoy our day. And of course, you know,

1353
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: being out with my wife, it's like people are gonna

1354
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,839
Speaker 2: see us, and people are gonna dig for information, especially

1355
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: the first time, and that's what it is.

1356
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1357
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: And so to put out one or two wedding photos

1358
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: to just be like, hey, there's me and my beautiful

1359
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: wife who I love very much, what I'm very excited about.

1360
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,480
Speaker 2: Hopefully that satisfies people. Well, I'm happy for you, man,

1361
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm a very lucky man.

1362
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Do you feel like sometimes people like some

1363
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: people in society sort of get confused about this celebrity

1364
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: or person of interest or public figure and they kind

1365
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: of don't respect the privacy thing absolutely that it gives

1366
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: them permission somehow to just omit it.

1367
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's also too you know, we in the public,

1368
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: we become we have massive targets on our back. You know,

1369
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: people just are constantly taking shots at us. You know,

1370
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: people can have a comment about me being married, or

1371
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 2: me being single, or me hanging out with my buddies

1372
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: or whatever, walking my dog. Yeah, everyone can have a comment.

1373
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: But also like I can't have a comment about anything,

1374
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: you know. So it's interesting when people think that a privacy,

1375
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: the privacy of someone in the public is kind of

1376
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 2: like out the window.

1377
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, like like like you threw it away or something. Yeah,

1378
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: you owe it to someone to.

1379
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 2: Or you owe it to something yeah yeah. Or you know,

1380
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 2: people will deny you know that I'm even married, and

1381
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: it's like, no, I'm pretty fucking married.

1382
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: It's like I promise, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you

1383
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: feel the need to protect relationships like that from absolutely

1384
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: like a duty that hey, I'm not gonna have this

1385
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: tainted by any of this.

1386
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: I've had moments in my career where, let's just say,

1387
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 2: someone who was a fan of my work crossed the

1388
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: line and try and engage my parents, and my parents

1389
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 2: having to or not quite understanding someone's intentions or I'd

1390
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 2: have to kind of pull them inside a sphere of protection,

1391
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: you know. So you just you do the best you can.

1392
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 2: You give very little information. You still try and be

1393
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: charming and fun and you know, have a good conversation

1394
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: with people. But at the end of the day, it's like,

1395
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 2: you know, there's a public persona and there's a private persona.

1396
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: And I often think that the public persona. When was

1397
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: the last time you went to Disneyland.

1398
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years, but when you were there.

1399
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: You probably went on the Haunt a Mansion ride, right

1400
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: of course. Okay, you know at the very end of

1401
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 2: the ride, when you're sitting in your doom buggy and

1402
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: there's a green ghost that sits next to you. That's

1403
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: what celebrity's like. Imagine a green ghost follows you everywhere

1404
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: you go, everywhere you go, looks like you, talks like it,

1405
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 2: sounds like you, but it's not you. That's the public

1406
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: face and persona. And then there's who you are as

1407
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: a person, fundamentally human being. That's who you get to

1408
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: be when the cameras don't roll, when the audio isn't recording,

1409
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 2: and you just like hang out across the table from

1410
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: your buddy from a long time, you know. So it's

1411
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: like there's something you always give to the public, but

1412
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: then there's gotta be something you hang on to for

1413
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: yourself entirely, entirely. So I think a lot of that

1414
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 2: I've really tried to maintain is my relationships my family,

1415
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 2: because they're from me.

1416
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think you do an amazing banks job. Mans.

1417
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: I look up to you. I appreciate that you know

1418
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: you doing it the best.

1419
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: I thanks man. I would say one other thing actually

1420
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 2: to that though, I think it's important for performers too

1421
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 2: in a way minimize who they are. What do you mean,

1422
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: live a smaller life in who they are, because then

1423
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: when somebody's watching you and the role you're playing, somebody's

1424
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 2: watching Jack on this as us. They're watching Jack. They're

1425
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 2: not watching Milo play Jack. They're watching Jess on Gilmore

1426
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: Girls and not watching Milo Plague Jess Peter Robert Babo Junior.

1427
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: Chat.

1428
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 2: You know, characters are more believable when people get a

1429
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: bit of a blank slate from you, the humans or

1430
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: you can I guess you can call it or what

1431
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: is it for you? Uh?

1432
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: For me?

1433
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: Like I just I just try not to give too much.

1434
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: Like I said, there's a reflection of who I am fundamentally,

1435
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: just being a decent person out in the world. Try

1436
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: and be kind, try and be positive, right, but beyond that,

1437
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: you know where my real positivity that I was raised

1438
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 2: with comes from. Nobody knows that where my real kindness

1439
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: that I was raised with. Nobody knows where that comes from.

1440
01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: I know where that comes from.

1441
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: You know? So, or are you saying basically that it

1442
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: has its perks because you care about your acting right

1443
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: and you want to get better at that craft of course,

1444
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: and you found that that's been able to help you.

1445
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it has. There are many perks. Very little downside, honestly,

1446
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: very little downside.

1447
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: I mean listening.

1448
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, like I said, imagine walking around

1449
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: in life and people want to be nice to you.

1450
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: The downside is not everybody's telling you the truth.

1451
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because.

1452
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: People don't want to disappoint you or be on your

1453
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 2: bad side. I don't know, tell me the truth, Just

1454
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 2: tell me the truth always.

1455
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: So you're wren a swivel, You're you're a little bit more, Yeah,

1456
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1457
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: But also you know, you understand or you can you

1458
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: get to a point or a place where you realize

1459
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: you can be incredibly impactful to an individual or a

1460
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 2: group and if you do your best to leave a positive,

1461
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 2: lasting impression on people that they will then put forward,

1462
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: then you been a good human being. Be a good

1463
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 2: human being first, and then be a fucking kick ass

1464
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 2: art A second.

1465
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, last question for you, Okay, what are you looking

1466
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: forward to the most in the rest of your life.

1467
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 2: Right now, that's a hard question. Pain.

1468
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:14,879
Speaker 1: You have ten seconds.

1469
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,839
Speaker 2: I've got ten seconds or it doesn't come true. Oh man, dinner,

1470
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go home one dinner. I'm gonna go home

1471
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 2: and have dinner like I'm starting right here. He yeah,

1472
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: touche dinner too. Yeah. No, right, I think it's about that.

1473
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: It's about that dinner time. Hey man, This has been

1474
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: a blast. Thank you so much.

1475
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 2: Always good here.

1476
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: Man.

1477
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 4: Absolutely, there was a lot of people out there for

1478
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 4: West Beach, all the way to the rivers and all

1479
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 4: the way up through that country. They haven't found a body,

1480
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 4: they haven't found anything. They haven't answers are gone.

1481
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: Sure about that? What does that tell you she's not there.

1482
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 4: I I don't know the parameters of who she was

1483
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: with or what you know, but I do know that

1484
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 4: she was supposedly last seen with this guy. They found

1485
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 4: her things in his tent. Did you ever come in

1486
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 4: contact with the person, Not that I recall. I'm not

1487
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 4: saying I didn't see him or something. You know, I

1488
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 4: just heard she was with this guy. I don't know

1489
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 4: who the guy was in the beach or I just

1490
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 4: heard do you know who that guy may have been. No,

1491
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 4: I don't know the guy's name. I don't. I don't

1492
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 4: even I'm mister own man. Yeah, and I and I

1493
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 4: think logically. I'm a logical thinker. She could have wandered

1494
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 4: in the wrong tent. And some people don't like that.

1495
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 4: I mean, you're not gonna drive down the damn beach

1496
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 4: and just see somebody walking along and jump out and

1497
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 4: kill him. That don't make any sense either. You might

1498
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 4: have had some interaction, and the people on that beach

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Speaker 4: is one have interaction with Where the guy went.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's not here.

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Speaker 4: No, he's not. I don't know where he went. But

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Speaker 4: I do know that if I was an investigator, I'd

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Speaker 4: be on here ass like stink.

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Speaker 1: On the ship.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Death is a production of tenor Foot TV

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Speaker 3: and iHeart podcast created and hosted by Payne Lindsay. For

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Speaker 3: executive producer is Mike Rooney. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers

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Speaker 3: Makeup and Vanity Set. Additional production by Mike Rooney Dylan Harrington,

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Speaker 3: Sean Nerney, Dayton Cole, and Gustav Wilde for Cohedo. Production

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