1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide? 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Hosted by Tony Mentor, broadcasting from the heart of Music City, USA, Nashville, Tennessee. 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Join us as our guests share their raw, powerful stories. 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Some will spark laughter, others will move you to tears. 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: These real life journeys inspire, connect and remind you that 6 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: you're never alone. We're igniting a global movement to empower 7 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: everyone to make a lasting difference by fostering deep awareness 8 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: on wavering acceptance, and profound understanding of autism and mental health. 9 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Tune in, be inspired, and join us in transforming the world, 10 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: one story at a time. Hi, I'm Tony Mantur. Welcome 11 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide. 12 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: First Responders and veterans often witness more trauma in a 13 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: single shift than most people will face in a lifetime. 14 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: Over time, that weight can compound. Too many suffer in silence, 15 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: afraid that asking for help could cost them their career 16 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: or their identity. Today, we are joined by doctor Jean Cirillo, 17 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: a renowned clinical and forensic psychologist, and retired Lieutenant Tom 18 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Antonetti to talk about PTP Talk to Me post Tour, 19 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: a first of its kind mental health support program built 20 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: by law enforcement for law enforcement and now expanded to 21 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: support veterans and all first responders. This is a powerful 22 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: conversation about trauma, trust and why no one who serves 23 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: should ever have to carry it alone. So before we 24 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: dive into our episode, we'll be back with an un 25 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: in the show right after a word from our sponsors. 26 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today. Thank you. 27 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate your invitation. 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: Oh it's my pleasure if you would give us a 29 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: little information on what it is that you do. 30 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a psychologist. I've been a practicing psychologist on 31 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: Long Island for about thirty five years. I'm also an 32 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: attorney that's been for about six years. So I love 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: to do things like family therapy, custody issues, post traumatic 34 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: stress disorder, as with the postal processing for police and military, 35 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 2: and anybody EMTs who has a stressful job that they 36 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: don't get to process. The crisis is not over after 37 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: they leave work. Sometimes it's just beginning when they go 38 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: home and take it home with them. That's what we 39 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: seek to prevent. 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Can you give us an insight to some of the 41 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: scenarios I mean, you just brought up some very interesting facts. 42 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people realize this, but they 43 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: don't realize it to the extent of what you're seeing. 44 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: Everyone thinks they are made out of stone, Yet here 45 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: they are having issues and bringing it home with them exactly. 46 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes they act like they're made out 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: of stone. They use dark humor in order to cope 48 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: with a very dark situation. So it's not unusual for 49 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 2: when they're picking up after a really nasty crime scene 50 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: for them to appear insensitive to a lay person that 51 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: doesn't understand that they're joking about it to keep themselves 52 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: sane and in the moment and able to do it. 53 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: But there has to be a regulated crashing time, which 54 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 2: is what post tool processing is about, to prevent them 55 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: from taking it out on their wives' kids, or the bottle, 56 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: or drugs or any means that they think will provide 57 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: short term relief. 58 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. I see Tom just joined us. Hi, Hi, 59 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: good afternoon, Thanks for joining us today. 60 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure. Thanks for having me. 61 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh, it's my pleasure if you would give our listeners 62 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: a little information on what it is that you do. 63 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: Well. 64 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: I've retired, I've retired from the New York City Police Department. 65 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: I retired in the rank of lieutenant, and I spent 66 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 4: the last thirteen years of my time there in the 67 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 4: press office as a spokesperson for the department. Prior to that, 68 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 4: I worked various units on patrol in both Manhattan and Brooklyn. 69 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: In Manhattan, I worked in Midtown and Midtown South Precinct 70 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: and in Brooklyn in the East New York Section in 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: the seventy fifth Precinct. 72 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: Okay, so how did you and Dactor Sorillo connect? 73 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 4: We connected through a mutual friend of mutual acquaintance who 74 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: put us both in contact with each other. Had conversation 75 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 4: obviously prior to today, and from there decided to go forward 76 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: in speaking further on the topic and current matters or 77 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: excuse me, relatable matters of this topic. Related topics law enforcement, 78 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: also first responder generally speaking, and the effects, both current 79 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 4: and after effects. 80 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: That's a huge subject when you start talking about the 81 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: mental wellbeing of the first responders. Now, this next question 82 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: is for either one of you when they go through 83 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: those traumatic situations, then afterwards they have to process everything 84 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: they've been through. Everyone thinks it's just the victim or 85 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: the victim's family that has to go through this trauma. 86 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: They don't realize the first responders have to process as well, 87 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: and then, depending upon the level of the trauma that 88 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: was involved, will have everything to do in the way 89 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: that the first responders process this. So how do you 90 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: help them get through all this? 91 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 2: I know with the EMT people, what they see is 92 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: the first they're often the first people to arrive, say 93 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: at a horrible car accident where somebody's been decapitated, and 94 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 2: they have to get in there. They have to first 95 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: of all do triage as to who can be saved 96 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: and who can't. And I know there was somebody where 97 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: there was a shooting in his house on Thanksgiving. Seven 98 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: out of eight people died. He was the survivor and 99 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: the police when it happened to be the police then 100 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: and then the AMT came, but the police would be 101 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: in there, they'd say fatal, fatal, Okay, this guy can 102 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: be helped, and you right away decide who can be helped? 103 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: How are you going to help him in a split second. 104 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, they have to process that too. They can 105 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: be very calm, collected and cool because they know their job, 106 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: so they rise to the level of their training, but 107 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: then later on, after it's over, they can fall to 108 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: the level of their emotions and that's when they need 109 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: the post tool processing. 110 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: How do you help them get through that? I mean, 111 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: that's very traumatic. It's one thing if it happens once 112 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: in a while, but they're dealing with this pretty much 113 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: on a daily basis, So how do you help them 114 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: get through it? And how do you help them process it. 115 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: It's available anonymously. They can come on the website, they 116 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: can sign on with an email, they can sign on anonymously, 117 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: they can text, they can show their face, they can 118 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: speak without showing their face. They can give their name 119 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: or not give their name. It's totally up to them. 120 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: The anonymity is guaranteed, and that's so important, especially for police, 121 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: because if their scene as too traumatized. Let's say they 122 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: had to use their gun to take somebody down because 123 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: that person was threatening an innocent civilian, then they still 124 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: have to process ill depression, fear, everything else, and they 125 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: need to process it with their peers who understand what 126 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: you go through after you just did something that you 127 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't normally do in the regular world, but that you 128 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: have to do as an authority figure and they can 129 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: process it either way. And sometimes they don't want to 130 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: admit to drinking, fighting with their wife or anything, or 131 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: husband or anything like that because they don't want to 132 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: lose their gun. And the police will sometimes take away 133 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: an office's guns since the gun is a major tool 134 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: or one of the major tools. If he or she 135 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: doesn't have their gun, they can't work. They have to 136 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: be behind the desk, and they don't want to do that. 137 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: Right now, Tom, how do you fit into this whole scenario. 138 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: You're retired now, so how are you incorporating yourself into 139 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: helping these people that need the help? 140 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you twofold. First off, I still 141 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 4: maintain a strong network and connection with those that I've 142 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 4: worked with, both those that I've served, both that have 143 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 4: served under me since I was in a supervisor capacity, 144 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: but also in a more splintering effect. I'm with the 145 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: Fraternal Order of Police and in my local area, I 146 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: serve on the board and in the capacity of secretary. Now, 147 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: with that, it's not just clinically effective as the secretary 148 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: for the Fraternal Order of Police. There's a great interaction, 149 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: and in that interaction there's an exchange change of ideas 150 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: and exchange of how you're doing, how the family is. 151 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: It's more personal. It's very into personal when we have 152 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: our meetings, when we have our events. You know, the 153 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: fraternal Lord of Police obviously looks to help those within 154 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: that community first responders, all lines, all lines. So I've 155 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: maintained that communication, that direct contact with active retired members 156 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: of law enforcement, just seeing how they're doing, and not 157 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: on obviously to the depth or to the extent that 158 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: the doctors speaking on and dealing with, but on this personal, 159 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: almost colloquial level where there's that comfort of I know, 160 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 4: I understand we're part of the same quote unquote fraternity. 161 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: So in speaking with you, you understand what I'm expressing to you. 162 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: You understand the good, the bad, everything in between. 163 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: So the opening up, the hearing. 164 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: And now as we get older, as the years go 165 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: by and their offspring become members or become first responds 166 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: excuse me, or family members' friends. 167 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: You hear their story. 168 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: So now it becomes almost generational and you're getting a 169 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: deeper dive into how they're dealing with it on a 170 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: new level, because things are different today than they were 171 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: when I had first started, or from even ten, twelve, 172 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 4: fifteen years ago, so still staying connected obviously to both 173 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: active and retired in those two different capacities. 174 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Now, have you seen and I'm really sure that you 175 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: probably have situations where people fall through the cracks, then 176 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: they retire. How do you find ways to help them? 177 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: They're still part of the fraternal order, yet even though 178 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: that's true, they still feel very alone and by themselves. 179 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: How do you get past that firewall that they will 180 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: put up so their mental health stays strong and they 181 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: don't go down that deep dark hole that no one 182 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: wants to see them in. 183 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: And it's true, you make a good, unfortunate point, because 184 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 4: there are some and sometimes and I don't mean to 185 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: say anything or to speak anyway with just a broad brush. 186 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: It's individual specific. So you're going to have individual remedies, 187 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: You're going to have individual conditions. But if I can 188 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: speak just by and large with this, sometimes some people 189 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: will think, well, you know what, that's just Joe being Joe, 190 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 4: and he'll get through it. He'll get by or I'll 191 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: tap him on the shoulder and say, hey, is everything okay? 192 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: Not really invested in what that answer would be, but 193 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 4: I felt I've done my part again rhetorically speaking, So 194 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 4: what is done or what can be done, what I've 195 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: seen done is just the follow up, just not letting 196 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 4: those that you know slip. 197 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: Through the crack. 198 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, there will be a number that that is the 199 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: case that they do slip through that crack. You try 200 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 4: to minimize that. I know that if I and I 201 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 4: had seen and I obviously wouldn't name names or conditions 202 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: or circumstances. But I've seen those that are struggling, active 203 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 4: members and even retired, they haven't adjusted to the trauma 204 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: that they encountered in whatever capacity it came, be it 205 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: something they encountered while on the job, while working, something 206 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 4: they encounted in their personal life. 207 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: But they're not right, They're not right now. 208 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 4: I don't have that degree that I can speak to 209 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: them with that level of professionalism that's going to set 210 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 4: them on the right way. But I can still speak 211 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: to them in that conversational aspect, or in that conversational 212 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 4: tone to get them to where they need to be, 213 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 4: to get them to the programs that exist, or to 214 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 4: the people to speak to further the conversation. It's not 215 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 4: going to start or end with me, but it can 216 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 4: with these other entities, these other individuals, these other programs 217 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 4: that can best serve them. So to get them there 218 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: and to say, hey, did you follow up? Did you 219 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 4: call that number I gave you? Did you email the person, 220 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: the company, the entities that I provided to you to 221 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 4: see if they are in fact doing so, And then 222 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 4: always just to follow up with them at irregular intervals 223 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: to see, hey, how are you doing? 224 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: I care for your well being. 225 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great thing you're doing. 226 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: For sure. 227 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: When some of these people get to a point where 228 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: they ultimately need more help than what any of the 229 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: first responders precincts can do. What are some of the 230 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: steps that you do as a psychologist to help them 231 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: smooth things out and tamper everything down so they can 232 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: tolerate and live with all the emotions that they've been through. 233 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: Sure, we have referral sources. Most of them have kept 234 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: their health insurance for New York City or Long Island 235 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: or Upstate or whatever they have, so we can refer 236 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: them to people that are psychologists, social workers, and sometimes 237 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: psychiatrists if medication seems to be needed, that take their 238 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: insurance that have worked with many people in their field, 239 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: and they used to hearing about a lot of these problems, 240 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 2: and especially a retired personal talk more. They're glad to 241 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: because they don't have to worry that somebody's going to 242 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: know they have a mental health recort. Even if it's 243 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: confidential between the therapists, the insurance company. It doesn't go 244 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: to the employer like it used to twenty years ago 245 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 2: before Hipper Rule, but the idea is that it'll be confidential. 246 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: They don't have to worry about losing their gun. They 247 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: do take a gun with them if they want to 248 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: do security work or for their own protection, but normally 249 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: that doesn't become an issue is when they're on active 250 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: duty policing. So yes, we have plenty of referrals to 251 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: healthcare professionals, and they always have that option even without 252 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: coming to us. They can go directly. But sometimes when 253 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: we start to realize, hey, this guy needs a little 254 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: bit more and maybe their situation or their precinct was 255 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: a lot more traumatic every day. You have to remember 256 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: a police office is more trauma and horror in one 257 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: day on the job than most people see in a lifetime. 258 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: So yes, we can refer them on to mental health 259 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: resources less let them know that many of their colleagues 260 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: use these resources. Also in the therapist is somebody that 261 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: is used to dealing with veterans with police, with EMTs, 262 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: and people who deal with very high stress job. 263 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't disagree with you. There they very high 264 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: stressed jobs and they do see a lot, a lot 265 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: more than the average person sees. Now, most people they 266 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: go to work, punch in, they get out of work, 267 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: they punch out. But with your job, it can be 268 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: a twenty four hour day job. Sometimes you might be 269 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: off the clock. But then you see something happens, you 270 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: can't just walk away from it, and you jump in 271 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: and try and help out. Then it creates another trauma. 272 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: Yet they go back to work like it never happened. 273 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: How do you help them? Because there is some that 274 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: are very good at masking their feelings and their emotions 275 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: and what they're going through. Most people would never know 276 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: that they were going through it because they hide it 277 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: so well, how do you sift through that or can 278 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: you sift through that not knowing so they don't go 279 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: down that deep dark hole that no one wants to 280 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: see them go into. 281 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: Well, when they come on the website, there's some knowledge 282 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: that this isn't normal, that they've been feeling bad lately. Certainly, 283 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: other police officers, other EMTs know about the program, they 284 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: can encourage it, but a lot of them are taught 285 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: on the job. They have to mask their feelings. You know, 286 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: I remember once a CoP's saying to me, he'sa oh 287 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: that lady was frantic. The cop was calm, and the 288 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: abuser in this case was calm. He was an ex cop. Okay, 289 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: he got kicked out because he was doing things that 290 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: were not acceptable and he wasn't going for help. But anyway, 291 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: you're taught to keep calm, not to show how afraid 292 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: or how angry or how depressed you are. So it's 293 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: hard to put the mask down. And that's one of 294 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: the aspects of the program. You're taught this is a 295 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: place where you can let your head down, let you 296 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: take your mask off. You know, how you shower after 297 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: going through a dirty neighborhood or rummaging through garbage bins 298 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: to find a piece of evidence, you show you're not 299 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: ashamed to do that. That's what the postal processing is. 300 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: Yes, that makes perfect sense. They're taught to mask it. 301 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: They're taught to stay calm. Let's say they do it 302 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: so well so well that most people around them do 303 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: not know that they are going through some very serious issues. 304 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: Every time they go out, every time they see something bad, 305 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: they're holding it in and each piece of that puzzle 306 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: is forming a picture, and that picture is one that's 307 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: going in a very bad place. So how do you 308 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: address this so it does not get out of control? 309 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: Well, I would say it's situation specific. What you're really 310 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: teaching them is the ability to discriminate among different situations. 311 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: When the ambulance pulls up and someone's badly hurt, you 312 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: don't have time to process feelings. When you go home 313 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: and you have some time to go on the computer, 314 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: to go to post processing, or to even make a 315 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: therapy appointment, that's the proper time the therapist's office postal processing, 316 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: which again can be anonymous. So if there's something you 317 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't want to tell a therapist, you can say it here, 318 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: and if you're anonymous, you know it's not going to 319 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: be traced. Because you can develop a certain paranoia after 320 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: being in especially the police field, you feel like everybody's 321 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: looking out to catch you with something because you're always 322 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: catching people. But there's a proper time in place on 323 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: the job no out of the job. When you're home 324 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: and when you're safe in a safe environment. The therapist 325 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: and postal processing are safe environments. 326 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: Now, Tom, I understand it is kind of a continuing 327 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: education for first responders. Is there one for or continuing 328 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: education on how to avoid any circumstances that could put 329 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: them in a bad place with their mental health? 330 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: Well, insofar as certain degrees or programs that I had taken. 331 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking more of internal programs to where they learn 332 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: to process it and work with it so that they 333 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: don't have any issues moving forward. 334 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: Yes, that's twofold. 335 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 4: Now there are members of the service who are designated 336 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 4: who work in those designated units, who are there twenty 337 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 4: four hours a day to answer that call, and they 338 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 4: are specially trained for that to take that call. Then 339 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 4: for the furtherance, it could be just as doctor Gene 340 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 4: had mentioned, to then bring it to that program, to 341 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 4: that level, but at least to be the first responder 342 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 4: for the first responders. So there are specially designated members 343 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: of the service who are set aside in those units 344 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: to be there for help, and that twenty four hours 345 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 4: a day, seven days a week. Now for a supervisor 346 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: for a coworker. Just to bring it down to the 347 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 4: most basic, immediate level for a supervisor, for a coworker, 348 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 4: you're on the job, training is and you're told this, 349 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: You're told this directly, implicitly, Hey, are you okay? Colloquially speaking, 350 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 4: directly speaking, are you okay? That manifests itself in a 351 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 4: number of ways through you or through direct conversation, through 352 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: taking someone on the side. As a supervisor, Yes, it 353 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 4: was my responsibility to identify to see those signs, verbal 354 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: and nonverbal cues of is there something manifesting here? Is 355 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: there a problem potential or an actuality, maybe something at home, 356 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 4: maybe something from a heavy job that we left, something 357 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 4: that is still bugging this individual, this officer. So you 358 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 4: try to identify that and you try to talk with them, 359 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 4: get them to open up, and a lot of times, 360 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 4: as you both mentioned, they're not willing to do that. 361 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 4: There's a belief and I've seen this, I've seen this 362 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 4: thankfully erode over the years, where again, when I had 363 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: first joined the department, the belief was you don't have 364 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 4: to talk to anyone again overriding I'm speaking in generalities here, 365 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 4: you don't have to talk to anyone where here will 366 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: handle things when we close ranks, will handle things in. 367 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: And of ourselves. 368 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 4: That has dissipated, that belief has eroded. And I have 369 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 4: seen that in my over two decades with the department 370 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 4: and now having left it and still being connected in 371 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: the ways in which I am seeing that. There is 372 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 4: no blemish on your record or how you're viewed in 373 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 4: seeking the help that you need. 374 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 3: So there's the direct those that are trained. 375 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: To answer and respond, and those who were all part 376 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 4: of the same organization. You just know, don't turn a 377 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 4: blind eye, don't say he or she will be okay. 378 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 4: Ask the question. You do have a responsibility. You do 379 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 4: have a responsibility, then you have to act on that. 380 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: I think that's great that you have that set up. 381 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: Now you're talking New York City, one of the largest 382 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: cities in the world. You have a very large police force. 383 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: It's not like some of the smaller towns or smaller 384 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: cities where everyone knows everyone. How do you maintain that 385 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: level and that stability so that no one falls through 386 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: the cracks. 387 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: Each precinct is like a little society of sub society 388 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: in itself, and they do know the people within the precinct. 389 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 2: They look out for their brothers and their partners and 390 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: their friends. So even though it's a large city and 391 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 2: there's a lot more crime and a lot more violent 392 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: crime as in any large city, it's a small precinct. 393 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: Go relatively small, all right, you go, you're going to 394 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: say some. 395 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: Just to compound that answer. Yes, that's true, and I 396 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 4: was going to speak exactly to that. You don't look 397 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 4: in the totality of the numbers, the amounts, the amount 398 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 4: of members of the service and how are they served. 399 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 3: You're right, within. 400 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 4: Each command, each precinct, each unit, there is the oversight, 401 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 4: there is the watching over of the personnel to identify, 402 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: so it's in its own respective silo that they see 403 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 4: where an issue or problem, a question may arise, may occur, 404 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 4: and deal with that. Then when it has to go 405 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 4: up the proverbial chain of command, it does so at 406 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: least they're able to be served. At least they're able 407 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 4: to have that sort of guidance or penning in of 408 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 4: those individuals that would need the services, whatever they may be, 409 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 4: within their own respective precinct, unit, designated command. 410 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. And the reason why I ask that 411 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: is because a lot of people look at new York 412 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: City and they just think a large police force and 413 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: they don't think about smaller precincts scattered around the city. 414 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: This way they can support each other. I think that's 415 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: a very important thing for people to know. 416 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: Yes, agreed. 417 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: Now in closing, and I'll start with you, Docta. What 418 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: do you think is important for the listeners to hear 419 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: not only on what you're doing, but how it applies 420 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: to everything you're trying to do to help the first responders? 421 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, first and foremost, you don't interfere 422 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: with them while they're doing their job. 423 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you. 424 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: Shouldn't have to say that. But many people when it's 425 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: their loved one that was just hurt, or when it's 426 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: a family member that did something bad and that's why they. 427 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 4: Called the police. 428 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: Used to see that a lot more now that there's 429 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: education about spouse abuse, but you would see that in 430 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: couples with the woman usually would call the police. He 431 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: was threatening to bash my head in he broke this 432 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: in the house. 433 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 4: He hit me. 434 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: She had a black eye, bloody nose, but she doesn't 435 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: want to press charges. And now there are laws to 436 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: support the police officer if they suspect of felonies been committed, 437 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: they have to arrest the person, even if the other 438 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: person doesn't want them arrested. So you tell them they 439 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: let the police do their job. But you also have 440 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: to convince the police not to use excessive violence when 441 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: it is not necessary. And that's what the post tool 442 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: processing is about. We don't want them to take all 443 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: their trauma into one incident, usually a domestic incident, where 444 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: it's not needed. 445 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great information. Now, Tom, what would you like 446 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: to say to the listeners so they understand how you 447 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: are trying to self police so that no one gets 448 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: hurt and everyone keeps moving forward in a mental state 449 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: that is healthy. 450 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: I think the overarch with that is this police officers, 451 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 4: first responders, the whole gamut of first responders, all of them, 452 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 4: all lines. 453 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: They are people. 454 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 4: They are humans, just like everyone else, the cashier at 455 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 4: the supermarket, the sanitation worker, anyone, I mean, anyone in 456 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 4: any walk of life. 457 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: They're seen as first responders. 458 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 4: They're seen as the heroes that you God willing. 459 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 3: They're seen as that. 460 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 4: That who respond to emergency situations that others would run 461 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 4: away from. They run towards the danger, but they're seen 462 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 4: I think in conversations that I've had over the years 463 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 4: of doctor, I'm sure you can endorse this statement as well. 464 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: They're seen clinically, they're just seen as they are above 465 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 4: the general feel that you are just like me. These 466 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 4: are family members, these are husbands, wives, sons, daughters. They 467 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 4: are people that they deal with the same issues health 468 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: wise monetarily speaking, that everyone else does, and oftentimes it's 469 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 4: not so easy to see them as that. 470 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: But in being the same. 471 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 4: As others in every walk of life. 472 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: That also means that for mental. 473 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: Anguish or stress things that they deal with, it doesn't 474 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 4: just come off them without any lasting effects. That's not true. 475 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 4: If anything, because of their line of work, these effects 476 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 4: are deeper and longer lasting. And the way to remedy 477 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 4: these effects, this massive stress that many of them deal with, 478 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 4: they need this, as doctor had mentioned, they need these outlets, 479 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 4: these programs available to them for them to take advantage 480 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 4: of because this is where they are not like the others, 481 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 4: the cashier and the other individuals who I mentioned, because 482 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 4: they are working on that level of dealing with tremendous 483 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 4: emergency stress, pressure pack situations. And when you're dealing with that, 484 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 4: and that's what you know, in your shift, shift in 485 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 4: and shift out, then you need a way to have 486 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 4: that remedied when it gets to the point that you 487 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 4: can't take care of it yourself. 488 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 489 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: I think that's well stated and well said. Now, can 490 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: you tell people how they can find you in a 491 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: little more information about your organization? 492 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 2: Well, if you go under police Officer Post Tour Processing, 493 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: it's ptpiece for sure, PETP, and then put in posts 494 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: to a us to think our entire website and the 495 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: names of some of the key staff members will come up. 496 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, Well, this has been great, great conversation, great information. 497 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time to join us today. 498 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 4: Same here. 499 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for the invitation. 500 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 3: All right, thanks so much, thank you. 501 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: Oh it's been my pleasure. 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