WEBVTT - A&G Replay Tuesday Hour Four

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<v Speaker 1>And broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Katty Armstrong, and Kattie I know Hee Armstrong and Getty

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<v Speaker 2>strong Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Philadelphia Zoo announced last week that a pair of nearly

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred year old tortoises recently welcome their first hatchlings.

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<v Speaker 3>You may have seen the tortoises on the MTV show

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<v Speaker 3>ninety nine and.

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<v Speaker 2>Pregnant markets are surging.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're listening to us live, so the bounce back

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<v Speaker 4>has begun, and get into that later. Also, latest polling

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<v Speaker 4>on the whole tariff thing, get into that later also.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh and I just saw the real ID deadline

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<v Speaker 4>is a month away.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be my all time greatest.

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<v Speaker 4>Hit screw up because it's been I've seen it coming

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<v Speaker 4>for so long and known the entire time for years

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<v Speaker 4>that at some point I will be at an airport

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<v Speaker 4>ready to get on a plane someplace I need to go, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>and they'll say, we no longer accept your driver's license,

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<v Speaker 4>you need your real ID. Even though I knew it

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<v Speaker 4>for years, I am that is going to happen to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I like your high school teacher.

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<v Speaker 5>Assigned you a book report due in twenty years and

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<v Speaker 5>you waited until the last night and you're up all night, right,

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<v Speaker 5>that is going to happen to me? Yeah, it's funny, Judy,

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<v Speaker 5>And I heard that report, and I have a feeling.

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<v Speaker 5>I spoke for many, many millions of Americans when I said,

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<v Speaker 5>do we have real IDs?

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<v Speaker 2>I've completely lost track? Is ours real?

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<v Speaker 5>She looked at it and said, yeah, yes, we do.

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<v Speaker 5>How that happened? I don't record?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I sure don't have one.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you sure? I'm positive you might. When did you

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<v Speaker 4>last for new year license? I don't know so. Uh

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<v Speaker 4>so your driver's license? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Oh it is?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, maybe I did have a real like the updated

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<v Speaker 4>does it have like a hologrammy looking thing on there?

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<v Speaker 2>Or yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, maybe I do have it done and done, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my point. Nobody has any idea part Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So, speaking of economics and that sort of thing, which

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of people are doing these days in reference

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<v Speaker 5>to the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>But to this too shall pass, I hope eventually. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>And and.

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<v Speaker 5>Some of the support and lack of support are coming

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<v Speaker 5>from some interesting areas for the tariffs, and we can

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<v Speaker 5>talk about that more later, but I'm kind of tariffed out.

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<v Speaker 2>We brought this up kind of briefly at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>You see, I could talk about tariffs for many more hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you should feel free. How about one room over anyway?

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<v Speaker 5>I found this so interesting, big survey of America's employers,

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<v Speaker 5>especially manufacturers. They cannot find reliable, conscientious workers who can

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<v Speaker 5>pass a drug test. A good worker, like a good man,

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<v Speaker 5>can be hard to find these days. And who is

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<v Speaker 5>this writing in? Alicia Finley, who I think is a

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<v Speaker 5>terrific writer, But she says, blame government, which showers benefits

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<v Speaker 5>on able bodied people who don't work well at the

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<v Speaker 5>same time subsidizing college degrees that don't lead to productive employment,

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<v Speaker 5>and the result is millions of idle men and millions

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<v Speaker 5>of unfilled jobs, what an economist would call a dead

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<v Speaker 5>weight loss to society.

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<v Speaker 2>So failing the drug test?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it mostly the marijuana, the Mary Jane, the lettuce,

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<v Speaker 4>the hippie?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't know. I suspect so though. Sure I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's mostly pot. But I think that's just brilliantly.

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<v Speaker 4>Simply put, we are showering benefits on able bodied people

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<v Speaker 4>and subsidizing useless college degrees as as a people because

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<v Speaker 4>the government is theoretically doing our work right, Well, I

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<v Speaker 4>for one don't like either end of that anyway. Forty

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<v Speaker 4>percent of small business owners and March reported job openings

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<v Speaker 4>they could not fill. Construction companies fifty six percent said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we have unfilled jobs and we can't find anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Transportation, I have.

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<v Speaker 5>A feeling that's mostly truck drivers fifty three percent manufacturing,

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<v Speaker 5>which the President is, according to many people, admirably trying

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<v Speaker 5>to shepherd back inside the country. More forty seven percent

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<v Speaker 5>of manufacturers say, no, we've got openings we can't fill.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>So, according to the last week's National Federation of Independent

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<v Speaker 5>Business survey, that might.

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<v Speaker 4>Be a flaw in the president's plan that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 4>discussed enough. He wants to bring back the fifties or

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<v Speaker 4>seventies or whatever golden era of manufacturing that we used

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<v Speaker 4>to have. But back then people would do those jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>If half the manufacturing jobs out there you can't fill. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>what if manufacturing did come back to the United States, who,

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<v Speaker 4>in theory is going to do those jobs? Well?

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<v Speaker 5>Not illegal immigrants, because thank god, the border has been

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<v Speaker 5>closed and the statistics are astounding Biden was a scoundrel anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>Was it going to be the woman's studies major from

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<v Speaker 4>your local university that goes works, They're probably not. Well.

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<v Speaker 5>It could well be the dudes who have no disability

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<v Speaker 5>on disability who are heaved off of that system, but

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<v Speaker 5>that would take some tough love, and that's not very

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<v Speaker 5>popular politically speaking. I mean, if you go into one

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<v Speaker 5>of the districts of the rust Belty places or Appalachia

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever where you have just ludicrous levels of people

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<v Speaker 5>on disability. Happened to read a couple things about this recently.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't flog you with it on the air. But if

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<v Speaker 5>you go into those places and say we're kicking it

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<v Speaker 5>off everybody on disability who's not like missing a limb,

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<v Speaker 5>you will lose an election by seventy points, if that's

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<v Speaker 5>even possible. Once people are on the dole man, once

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<v Speaker 5>people have a benefit, whether legitimate or perhaps questionable, taking

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<v Speaker 5>it away as political poison. As you know, Labor Department's

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<v Speaker 5>job openings and labor turnover survey businesses tell a similar story.

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<v Speaker 5>There are twice as many job openings in manufacturing now

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<v Speaker 5>than in the mid two thousands as a share of

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<v Speaker 5>employment save for the pandemic, America's workers shortage is the

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<v Speaker 5>worst in fifty years. Decades ago, productivity, enhancing technology and yes,

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<v Speaker 5>inexpensive imports costed men who worked on shop floors to

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<v Speaker 5>lose their jobs and drop out of the workforce. But

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<v Speaker 5>that generation is sailing into the sunset, and there are

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<v Speaker 5>many fewer young Americans who want to work in factories.

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<v Speaker 5>Listen to this now, the labor force participation rate among

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<v Speaker 5>young among working age men is now about five percentage

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<v Speaker 5>points lower than in the early eighties. Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 5>not like the nineteen tens. This is the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 5>five points lower. As a result, there are about three

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<v Speaker 5>and a half million fewer men between the ages twenty

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<v Speaker 5>five and fifty four in the workforce, and one point

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<v Speaker 5>three million between the ages of twenty five and thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Four in a significantly bigger population than we had in

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<v Speaker 4>the eighties. Right then there would have been were it

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<v Speaker 4>not for this decline. Labor participation among working age women,

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<v Speaker 4>on the other hand, recently hit a record in part

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<v Speaker 4>because they are having fewer children, and then people aren't

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<v Speaker 4>coupling and that sort of thing. At the risk of stereotyping,

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<v Speaker 4>women are more inclined toward helping professions such as services

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<v Speaker 4>than those that require physical labor. Well, that's just true,

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<v Speaker 4>it's undeniable. So I've not done a manufacturing sort of

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<v Speaker 4>job before, so I don't know what it's like, but

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<v Speaker 4>I certainly feel like there's a social stigma around it

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't help true.

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<v Speaker 2>Why it is?

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<v Speaker 4>Why there's not a social stigma around having a meaningless,

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<v Speaker 4>soul deadening paper pushing job in a cubicle.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why that is.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, maybe the other way around should be there

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't be any stigma around any jobs. Working for a

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<v Speaker 4>living is considerably better than not whatever the hell you're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>So why I at least the vestige of the twentieth

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<v Speaker 5>century where a job where you used your brain as

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<v Speaker 5>opposed to your back was seen as a higher status job.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I don't know some of these jobs or you

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<v Speaker 2>use your brain.

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<v Speaker 4>That's barely not much, I mean, but they certainly don't

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<v Speaker 4>seem like they'd be much more enjoyable as starter jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Tedious is tedious.

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<v Speaker 5>I had a sort of manufacturing job for one summer

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<v Speaker 5>and it was pretty tedious, honestly. But I'm sure it is.

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<v Speaker 5>You know why I go and went ahead and took

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<v Speaker 5>it and kept it. It was because it paid pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>It was my best option, right, So yeah, you got

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<v Speaker 4>and and well you should have to make a living.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to support yourself somehow.

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<v Speaker 4>No, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of monster are you listen to this? Would you?

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<v Speaker 6>So?

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<v Speaker 5>Where have all the good working men gone? Some are

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<v Speaker 5>subsisting on government benefits, are living off their parents. About

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<v Speaker 5>seventeen percent of working age men are on Medicaid, seventeen percent,

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<v Speaker 5>seven and a half percent on food stamps, and six

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<v Speaker 5>point three percent on Social Security, many claiming disability payouts.

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<v Speaker 5>According to the Census Bureau. Many spend their days playing

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<v Speaker 5>video games and day trading, well, day trading hilarious, speculating

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<v Speaker 5>on meme stocks, or you tell somebody your day trading.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how often you're actually trading and making

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<v Speaker 5>any money, because you don't want to say I just

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<v Speaker 5>play video games and live in my parents' basement, So

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<v Speaker 5>you say you're your day trader. So I don't remember

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<v Speaker 5>our a good friend, Craig the healthcare Genius's statistics. But

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<v Speaker 5>if I remember correctly, originally Medicaid was only supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>cover like a tiny percent people period.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's covering.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's covering, And that would have been like the

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<v Speaker 4>old and you know people that I got all kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of physical or mental problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's seventeen percent of.

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<v Speaker 4>Working age men, not not like senior citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a couple more stats. Other missing men are taking

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<v Speaker 4>longer to finish college or pursuing graduate degrees. Only about

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<v Speaker 4>forty one percent amen complete a bachelor's degree in four years,

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<v Speaker 4>even though study after study shows they don't teach, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to work.

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<v Speaker 2>There's great inflation. It's dopey.

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<v Speaker 4>Only forty one percent and a quarter take more than

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<v Speaker 4>six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, because you're in no hurry to get out of college.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad used to comment about perpetual college students, and

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<v Speaker 4>I never really understood what he was talking about. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure it was a small number of people back

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<v Speaker 4>when he was in college, but now it is a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently. I'll just stay in college.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just keep borrowing money and because I'm too young

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<v Speaker 4>or unwise to understand what I'm doing, and I'll just

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<v Speaker 4>keep this game going. Of I get to sit around

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<v Speaker 4>with my friends and discuss the world without ever having to.

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<v Speaker 5>Engage in it. Yeah, and I have disability. My thumb

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<v Speaker 5>hurts on Thursdays. Final stat then I will I will stop.

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<v Speaker 5>We're just we are a fat, lazy, comfortable society. We're

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<v Speaker 5>headed to front denial, right, we are headed straight toward France.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The unemployment rate Jack considered this among recent college grads

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<v Speaker 5>with a sociology degree is about seven percent, and their

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<v Speaker 5>medium wage, if they do have a gig, is forty

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<v Speaker 5>five thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Federal Reserve.

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<v Speaker 5>Bank, Social grads can earn twice as much working on

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<v Speaker 5>an auto assembly line, which pays an average hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 5>dollars a year. Good gig, but not many want it.

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<v Speaker 5>The reality is that masses a young people, writes Alicia Finley,

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<v Speaker 5>who again as a genius, has been taught that capitalism

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<v Speaker 5>is exploitive. They don't want to work in factories. They'd

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<v Speaker 5>rather mooch off taxpayers or their parents. How CHORL Marx

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<v Speaker 5>is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Some of it is that, I'm sure, But I just

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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of it is just the cultural

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<v Speaker 4>that would be embarrassing for your parents and for you

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<v Speaker 4>if you worked over it the whatever factory. Yeah. More

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<v Speaker 4>embarrassing in our current society than if you just live

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<v Speaker 4>at home and you know you say you're a day trader.

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<v Speaker 4>It's more embarrassing to have a job at a plant

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<v Speaker 4>than to live with your parents.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Or having taken six years to get an undergrad degree

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<v Speaker 5>in gender studies, you're now getting a master's degree in

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<v Speaker 5>the theoretical decolonialization of art, or whatever the s.

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<v Speaker 4>They sometimes think for soft people. Man, there is no

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<v Speaker 4>more iron law of humanity than that.

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<v Speaker 6>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty the Armstrong and Getty show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank You.

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<v Speaker 4>In Los Angeles, jury has awarded a man fifty million

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<v Speaker 4>dollars after he was seriously burned by a Starbucks drink. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>the person got burnt pretty good, but I had to

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<v Speaker 4>on his junk, on his junk and says he can't

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<v Speaker 4>have sex anymore. Although you would make that argument if

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<v Speaker 4>you're trying to get fifty million dollars. So whether that's

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<v Speaker 4>accurate or not, I do not know. But and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not a lawyer, but I don't know how you work

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<v Speaker 4>this out in society. On one hand, I'm going through

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<v Speaker 4>the drive through at Starbucks. I don't deserve to be

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<v Speaker 4>maimed for life.

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<v Speaker 2>No, certainly not in my privets.

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<v Speaker 4>On the other hand, it's an impossible expectation that nothing

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<v Speaker 4>ever goes wrong ever, And you know, nailing down whether

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<v Speaker 4>it was the employee's fault or the person in the

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<v Speaker 4>car's fault is difficult. I mean, if you ever go

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<v Speaker 4>to Starbucks and you get more than one drink, they

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<v Speaker 4>give you that cardboard holder that the drinks fit in,

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<v Speaker 4>and this person claimed that they didn't secure the tea in.

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<v Speaker 4>It was sitting at an angle and then it spilled.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh maybe it was or maybe you hit it on

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<v Speaker 4>the window or with youurob or whatever. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>but anyway, you can't get everything perfect all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem with this, to me is what it's what

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<v Speaker 4>drives so many of the things that make us nuts

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<v Speaker 4>in life. The fact that the school won't let your

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<v Speaker 4>kid play if it's rained the last two days, you

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<v Speaker 4>have to stay inside for reassss because they might slip,

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<v Speaker 4>and some jury will award one hundred million dollars. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just it's an unworkable situation for society. So I

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<v Speaker 4>don't and you know you wouldn't want Starbucks to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to like, here comes my girlfriend's ex boyfriend. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna throw hot tea in his face at the drive through,

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<v Speaker 4>and there'd be no penalty for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so there's gotta be a ligne somewhere obviously.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think we've gotten so far off tracks a society,

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<v Speaker 5>because it's very different than virtually any other legal system

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<v Speaker 5>on Earth. You're not going to get a fifty million

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<v Speaker 5>dollar reward like this in Argentina or or probably Britain.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think, but I don't think we as people

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<v Speaker 5>understand how far off we've gotten.

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<v Speaker 4>And a big reason for that. What is the number

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<v Speaker 4>one profession among legislators.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even close. You know, it's an attorney, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And the whole jury thing where this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons that we regularly say, you know, don't make

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<v Speaker 2>those jokes about how to get out of jury duty.

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<v Speaker 2>Show up on the jury so you could say, so

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<v Speaker 2>you could be there as a smart person, say fifty

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<v Speaker 2>fifty million dollars is insane, Yes, because you got to.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing you got a jury fro of peoples of

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<v Speaker 2>Starbucks is rich, they can afford it. I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>them anyway, you know that sort of thing, right, Yeah, yeah, boy.

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<v Speaker 5>If there's one technology mankind has not perfected, it's the

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<v Speaker 5>getting the cup lid to click on the cup thing

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<v Speaker 5>in the world of coffee. And you know, granted, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>an older fellow now, and I've learned the hard lessons

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<v Speaker 5>of life, sometimes more than once, usually more than once

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<v Speaker 5>before I absorb them. Boy, anybody who has boiling hot

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<v Speaker 5>coffee and assumes that lid is on their right, you

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<v Speaker 5>are a bold man and a foolish one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I just when I heard that, I just thought,

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<v Speaker 4>oh crap, this is going to lead to even more Sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>we can't allow you to do this stuff, or you

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<v Speaker 4>get like room temperature coffee, right, coffee can't ever be

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<v Speaker 4>That might be the reaction from Starbucks, no more hot coffee.

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<v Speaker 4>I know lots of people order stuff extra hot, because

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<v Speaker 4>I've known Barista's order stuff extra hot. It's already so

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<v Speaker 4>hot you can't drink it. But it's the idea that

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<v Speaker 4>it'll be it's so hot that by the time you

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<v Speaker 4>get to work on your fifteen minute commute, it'll still

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<v Speaker 4>be hot. Well, I'll bet that goes out the window

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<v Speaker 4>after this settlement.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I shouldn't say this, but everybody's thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 5>so I will. So, this guy got fifty million dollars

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<v Speaker 5>because he could never have sex again?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he any good at it? I mean, does that

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<v Speaker 2>factor into the juries?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I mean you think they should interview previous lovers

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<v Speaker 4>and say, so, how much of a loss is this

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<v Speaker 4>for humanity? Well?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean because it's obviously lost to him, no

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<v Speaker 5>matter his skills, but to humanity, because shouldn't that be

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<v Speaker 5>a fifty to fifty thing on asco Consortium, et cetera

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<v Speaker 5>on a scale of me to wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Where was he exactly?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just I'm asking these questions. I don't have the answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, God dang it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and.

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<v Speaker 6>Getty Show, The arm Strong and Getdy Show.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mentioned this last week and we never got

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<v Speaker 4>around to it. I'm glad we are now, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>looking forward to Joe's reaction to this. So this is

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<v Speaker 4>Ezra Cline of The New York Times on Lex Friedman's

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<v Speaker 4>podcast from a couple of weeks ago. And Lex Friedman's

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<v Speaker 4>an interesting guy if you've never heard his podcast. First

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<v Speaker 4>of all, they're all two to four hours. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know who listens to those whole things, but he

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<v Speaker 4>has people on of all different kinds of political stripes

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<v Speaker 4>and worldviews and stuff like that, and he just wants

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<v Speaker 4>to hear what they think. And he opened with this

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<v Speaker 4>great question for Ezra Kline of the New York Times, who,

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<v Speaker 4>if you don't know his act, he is a columnist, writer, liberal, progressive,

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<v Speaker 4>not a bomb chucker though that's just his I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he's a really smart, he's an intellectual, but he's a progressive.

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<v Speaker 4>And Lex had him on to say the first question

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<v Speaker 4>was basically lay out the progressive point of view or

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<v Speaker 4>the democrat point of view of the worldview. And I thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>this is fantastic. I'm going to hear this from a

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<v Speaker 4>smart guy. And I thought, I am going to listen

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<v Speaker 4>to this podcast in my earbuds as I was like

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<v Speaker 4>doing laundry or something like that, and I thought, I

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<v Speaker 4>am going to, like in a relax manner, listen to this,

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<v Speaker 4>see if I can find any common ground, like fully

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<v Speaker 4>understand you know where they're coming from, right, not the

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<v Speaker 4>cable news version, but like the intellectual version of how

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<v Speaker 4>they see the world. And I didn't make it more

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<v Speaker 4>than like thirty seconds before.

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<v Speaker 2>I said out loud in my bedroom. Oh, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to be effing kidding me. So this is how it went.

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<v Speaker 7>You can define the left in different ways. I think

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<v Speaker 7>the left has a couple fundamental views. One is that

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<v Speaker 7>life is unfair. We are born with different talents, We

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<v Speaker 7>are born into different nations. Right, the luck of being

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<v Speaker 7>born into America is very different than the luck of

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<v Speaker 7>being born into Venezuela. We are born into different families.

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<v Speaker 7>We have luck operating as an ominive presence across our

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<v Speaker 7>entire lives, and as such, the people for whom it

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<v Speaker 7>works out, well, we don't deserve all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>We got lucky.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we also worked hard, and we also had talent,

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<v Speaker 7>and we also applied that talent. But at a very

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<v Speaker 7>fundamental level, that we are sitting here is unfair, and

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<v Speaker 7>that so many other people are in conditions that are

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<v Speaker 7>much worse, much more precarious, much more exploited, is unfair.

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<v Speaker 7>And one of the fundamental roles of government should not

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<v Speaker 7>necessarily to turn that unfairness into perfect equality, but to

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<v Speaker 7>rectify that unfairness into a kind of universal dignity. Right,

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<v Speaker 7>So people can have lives of flourishing. So I'd say

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<v Speaker 7>that's one thing. He has a very low voice for

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<v Speaker 7>a child. Yeah, I'll hold back for now.

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you mean. Though my eyes were wide.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't deserve that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when I said in my bedroom, Oh, you gotta

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<v Speaker 4>be effing king.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and I want to hear the next part, obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>but he kind of denied his own purpose there at

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<v Speaker 5>the end.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not trying to come up with some perfect equality.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, let's hear a little more and then we

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<v Speaker 7>can discuss The left is fundamentally more skeptical of capitalism

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<v Speaker 7>and part of the unchecked forms of capitalism than the right.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, this is hard to talk about because

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<v Speaker 7>what we call unchecked capitalism is nevertheless very much supported

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<v Speaker 7>by government. So I think in a way you have both,

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<v Speaker 7>Like markets are things that are enforced by government. Whether

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<v Speaker 7>they are you know, how you set the rules of

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<v Speaker 7>them is what ends up different between the left and

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<v Speaker 7>the right. But the left tends to be more worried

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<v Speaker 7>about the fact that you could get rich building coal

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<v Speaker 7>fired power plants belching pollution into the air, and you

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<v Speaker 7>can get rich laying down solar panels. And the market

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't know the difference between the two. And so there's

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<v Speaker 7>a set of goals about regulating the unchecked potential of

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<v Speaker 7>capitalism that also.

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<v Speaker 4>Relates to sort of exploitation of workers.

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<v Speaker 7>There's very fundamental questions about how much people get paid,

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<v Speaker 7>how much power they have. Again, the rectification of economic

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<v Speaker 7>and other forms of power is very fundamental to the left.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 4>It reminded me, of course, when Obama said, you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>build that, that attitude, and I thought, okay, Aszra Klein

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<v Speaker 4>just laying that out a little more clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard a.

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<v Speaker 4>Podcast with this guy. He's got the most famous economics

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<v Speaker 4>podcast in America. I can't remember what his name is,

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<v Speaker 4>but anyway, and he's he leans left, but he his uh,

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<v Speaker 4>his take on the whole. Okay, even if you've got

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<v Speaker 4>a situation where where you like, in the most blatant example,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not fair that this person, you know, they're born

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<v Speaker 4>with a better brain, their parents got him a tutor,

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<v Speaker 4>they had connections to get him into a better school.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever it is versus someone else, how is the government

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<v Speaker 4>going to weigh in to fix it? He said, Even

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<v Speaker 4>if I buy all the lack of fairness. In what

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<v Speaker 4>sense could you structure a government that's gonna even that out,

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't do more harm than good? Well, exactly that

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<v Speaker 4>the phrases the key one.

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<v Speaker 5>And it is interesting to me to hear somebody who's

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<v Speaker 5>obviously fairly intelligent, like Ezra Kleine, be so narrow in

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<v Speaker 5>his vision, so incredibly unwise to not recognize that if

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<v Speaker 5>you empower somebody, I was going to summarize his creed

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<v Speaker 5>with as the following, I'm so smart, I and people

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<v Speaker 5>like me should be in charge of everything because.

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<v Speaker 2>We will make it good.

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<v Speaker 5>But a guy who is reasonably intelligent to lack the

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<v Speaker 5>wisdom to see that a government empowered to right all

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<v Speaker 5>of these pick a un wrongs or equalize somehow or other,

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<v Speaker 5>even if not a perfect equality, but like getting us

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<v Speaker 5>halfway there, that government would be so awesome and not

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<v Speaker 5>in the modern word like causing awe and horror, so

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<v Speaker 5>powerful and monumentally huge.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be terrifying. How do you miss that?

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<v Speaker 4>As, oh, no, we would just do the good thing,

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<v Speaker 4>not the bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right, And then.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem being that where you draw the line between

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<v Speaker 4>unfair advantages that people didn't earn and choices that you

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<v Speaker 4>make because lots of people make really really bad choices

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<v Speaker 4>in life. I've made bad choices in life that damaged

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<v Speaker 4>me a lot, and some people keep doing them. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't dismiss the ideas. I haven't told my story about

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<v Speaker 4>the uber driver I had the other day. Maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 4>do that for the podcast today. But I was thinking

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<v Speaker 4>in that trip, which was really sketchy, that this poor

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<v Speaker 4>guy is never going to be able to do very

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<v Speaker 4>well in life. So I got a better brain than

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<v Speaker 4>he did. That is unfair, that's not his fault, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not my credit. But then he got all the life

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<v Speaker 4>choices that people make. And I've seen so many smart

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<v Speaker 4>people make horrible life choices. What is the government gonna

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<v Speaker 4>do to even out results there?

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<v Speaker 5>And I've known the proverbial c student, Oh yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm not gonna go with the old trope that

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<v Speaker 5>but they're very straight smart and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 7>No.

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<v Speaker 5>I've known some people who aren't very bright, but they

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<v Speaker 5>make good, sound moral decision after decision, and it benefited

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<v Speaker 5>quite nicely from those decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, what makes.

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<v Speaker 4>A person though again in the morning and want to

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<v Speaker 4>pursue the idea of that person has more than that person.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to get them closer together.

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<v Speaker 5>What is that well, and the means that they use

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<v Speaker 5>to pursue that goal or are often horrible from my

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<v Speaker 5>point of view. I mean, if you have a charitable

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<v Speaker 5>view of the world and you think I ought to

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<v Speaker 5>do something to help those people, you have my full

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<v Speaker 5>blessing until it becomes And what I am going to

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<v Speaker 5>do is, at the point of the government's gun, take

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<v Speaker 5>money from people and compel them to do these things,

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<v Speaker 5>because that's the opposite of generosity, that's, you know, totalitarianism.

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<v Speaker 5>I hate to even use the word fairness any context

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<v Speaker 5>in this because it's become such a cliche, rhetorical cliche

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<v Speaker 5>of the left, because people have an instinctive view of

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<v Speaker 5>what fairness is from childhood on.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, everything should be fair. That's at least the ideal.

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<v Speaker 4>Whereas you know, being born with a better brain or

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<v Speaker 4>a worse brain, or a taller, good looking or talented

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, that the difference.

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<v Speaker 5>Among people is one hundred percent fair. It's a very

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<v Speaker 5>definition of fairness. Nothing has been done by anybody to

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<v Speaker 5>pervert the natural unfolding of it. Nobody cheated anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Right The Jefferson idea of just you go as far

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<v Speaker 4>as your talent and effort will take you right exactly

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<v Speaker 4>that it's there could be nothing more fair than you

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<v Speaker 4>get dealt a.

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<v Speaker 2>Hand in life.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you've got to go from there with you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the help of the people around you, and the people

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<v Speaker 5>care about you, and the government protecting your rights. That's

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<v Speaker 5>why the government exists, and off you go. Read Harrison

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<v Speaker 5>Berger on the Great Kurt Vanna Gets Short Story. If

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<v Speaker 5>you don't have a lot of time, read Thomas Soul's

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<v Speaker 5>Conflict Divisions if you have more about this sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>But I hate and it breaks my heart that my

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<v Speaker 5>daughter is autistic and life will always be extremely difficult

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<v Speaker 5>for her.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that. I adore her, but I wouldn't use

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<v Speaker 2>the word unfair to describe that.

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<v Speaker 1>It just is.

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<v Speaker 4>I got kicked off of a jury before I made it,

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<v Speaker 4>the only time I've ever made it this far to

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<v Speaker 4>like actually get into the courtroom and they started the

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<v Speaker 4>lawyer start asking me questions, And the question that got

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<v Speaker 4>me kicked out was looking back to the starting point

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<v Speaker 4>of your life where you've end up now, is it

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<v Speaker 4>more or uh, the circumstance you were born into or

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<v Speaker 4>your life's choices, and I went with life's choices and

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<v Speaker 4>that got me kicked off jury that I think life's

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<v Speaker 4>choice is unfair, unfair good vlun fair good good vocal

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<v Speaker 4>fry from Ezra Klein. I don't know why, uh, socialism

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<v Speaker 4>goes with vocal fry. I don't know why those two

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<v Speaker 4>things go together. But I still think life choices have

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<v Speaker 4>more to do with it than where you were born,

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<v Speaker 4>who you were born to in brain power you have

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of where you're gonna end ultimately end up.

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<v Speaker 2>And he obviously does not believe that. Uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then even if you agree with Azra Kleine, you're

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<v Speaker 4>still at the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Of how could the government fix that? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And my response to all of it would be

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<v Speaker 2>so what, So now what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>That is always the question at every moment of your life. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so now what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 6>The Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, Borgia Orgio podcasts and

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<v Speaker 6>Our Hot Lakes, the Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 5>So speaking of policy, and this is so incredibly important,

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<v Speaker 5>Jack is afraid it will vanish into the dustbin of history,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think he's probably right. But now even for instance,

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<v Speaker 5>the New York Times is admitting keeping the schools closed

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<v Speaker 5>was a horrific idea and utterly unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 2>I called it a disaster before.

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<v Speaker 5>No Mount Krakatoah, covering your village in Lava is a disaster.

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<v Speaker 5>This was a crime, a partisan political crime, and the

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<v Speaker 5>victims were children in society as a whole.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the worst things our government has ever done. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I would agree absolutely. It was like the internment of

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<v Speaker 4>the Japanese or whatever. You could even make a case

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<v Speaker 4>for that. The scientific case for keeping the little kids

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<v Speaker 4>out of school was null and void. Within a few

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<v Speaker 4>months of the beginning of COVID.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, New York Times writing paying the price, school children

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<v Speaker 5>in Massachusetts, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are still about a half

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<v Speaker 5>year behind tip pre COVID reading levels. In Florida and Michigan,

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<v Speaker 5>the gap is about three quarters of a year. In Maine,

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<v Speaker 5>Oregon and Vermont, for instance, it's close to a full year.

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<v Speaker 5>This morning, Group academic researchers released their latest report card

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<v Speaker 5>on pandemic learning loss and it shows a disappointingly slow

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<v Speaker 5>recovery in almost every state.

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<v Speaker 4>And maybe closures, yes, and maybe you're going to get

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<v Speaker 4>into this, or they get into this. But that's just

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<v Speaker 4>measuring the learning without measuring the disruption to classes.

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<v Speaker 2>We've heard from lots of teachers of kids are different now.

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<v Speaker 4>They missed a couple of years of having to sit

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<v Speaker 4>there and pay attention and get homework done, and they

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<v Speaker 4>just they're not You can't get them back in the group.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't really get into that.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm really glad you brought that up, because the

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<v Speaker 5>socio psychological damage to kids, hell, that might make the

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<v Speaker 5>reading scores look like you know, Irish school closures during

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<v Speaker 5>COVID set children back in most districts have not been

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<v Speaker 5>able to make up the lost ground, obviously, partly because kids,

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<v Speaker 5>when they're that young, they absorb information in a way

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<v Speaker 5>that I envy with every fiber of me. And you

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<v Speaker 5>can't just have them not do that for a while

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<v Speaker 5>and say, all right, now we're going to do it

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<v Speaker 5>even more than usual. It's not the way kids work. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>does everybody not know that or whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, up until about age eight, your brain runs

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<v Speaker 4>about a thousand times faster and does after that. You

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<v Speaker 4>take a kid out of school for two years before

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<v Speaker 4>age eight, oh my god, you've done damage.

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<v Speaker 2>To them, Yes, that's a horrifying yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So and here we get into a couple of the

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<v Speaker 5>more interesting specific aspects of this other A reason for

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<v Speaker 5>the lack of, you know, catching up progress is school absences.

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<v Speaker 5>The huge rise has continued long after COVID, says Thomas Kane,

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<v Speaker 5>Harvard Economists, member of the research team that we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about a little bit, said, the pandemic may

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<v Speaker 5>have been the earthquake, but heightened absenteeism is that tsunami.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's still rolling through school, right, that part, not

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<v Speaker 4>just not showing up to school, is still a problem.

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<v Speaker 5>And as I've said many times, when the New York

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<v Speaker 5>Times isn't being just unforgivably idiotically biased, they actually do

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<v Speaker 5>some pretty good deep dive reporting and they look into

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<v Speaker 5>the state variations. According to a new report from scholars

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<v Speaker 5>at your big name universities comparing performances across states.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope you're not going to tell me that blue

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<v Speaker 4>cities and states even got poorer performance than red I

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<v Speaker 4>hope you're not gonna come.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to need you to sit down, need you

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<v Speaker 2>to brace yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Jack's about to need a big hug, all right,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know how he loves that from other males.

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<v Speaker 5>So today's report shows a wide variety of outcomes. In

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<v Speaker 5>the states that have made up the most ground, they're

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<v Speaker 5>getting close to how they were doing five years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>but the overall picture is not good. And I will

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<v Speaker 5>skip some of the specific stats and get to what

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<v Speaker 5>they call the Blue Red divide. Political leaders in red

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<v Speaker 5>and blue America made different decisions during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>Gavin Newsom, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking at you, you lying monster, Chris Ker, child grooming

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<v Speaker 5>scumback because.

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<v Speaker 4>Red death Santus and people like that wanted kids to

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<v Speaker 4>die for some reason. They enjoy stacks of dead children

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<v Speaker 4>at their schools right exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>Many schools in heavily democratic area stayed closed for almost

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<v Speaker 5>a year from the spring of twenty twenty to the

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<v Speaker 5>spring of twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Or long.

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<v Speaker 2>It was longer than that around here were cal Unicornia.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>In some Republican areas, by contrast, schools remain closed only

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<v Speaker 5>for the spring of twenty twenty and opened right up.

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<v Speaker 5>And this helps explain a partisan gap in learning loss.

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<v Speaker 2>How you get in the specific status.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't believe this wasn't more fairly reported on or

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<v Speaker 4>discussed or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I use this example all the time because I got

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<v Speaker 2>it in my own life.

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<v Speaker 4>I got two schools seven miles apart, the public school

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<v Speaker 4>and the private school. My son's now in. The private

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<v Speaker 4>school barely shut down at all. The public schools closed

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<v Speaker 4>for like two years. And there were not I was joking,

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<v Speaker 4>there were not stacks of dead children everywhere. Teachers, our teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>The private school was fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, how do you explain that, teachers union public schools.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you explain that that school's open over there,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's not like they got tons extra money for

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of special ventilation or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What a joke.

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<v Speaker 5>Randy Weingarten, the head of the Big teachers Union, who

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<v Speaker 5>is a demon from hell sent to punish us for

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<v Speaker 5>our sins, used it like other unions did, as leverage.

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<v Speaker 5>You want the kids back in. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 5>really really want the kids back in. You got to

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<v Speaker 5>give us more money. You got to give us more

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<v Speaker 5>of this, You got to give us more of that.

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<v Speaker 5>No than the kids stay home.

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<v Speaker 4>I fully believe she was doing that and knew that,

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<v Speaker 4>And I honestly don't know how she sleeps at night.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't because she has no conscience.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a monster.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a monster.

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<v Speaker 4>You certainly don't care about children. I mean, you're beyond

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<v Speaker 4>not caring about them. You're fine with them having awful

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 4>lives if you can have more power. You're a disgusting

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 4>human being.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know what she's like, ya ya Sinwar of

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<v Speaker 5>Hamas she cares in children insomuch as they are leverage,

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<v Speaker 5>just like Cinar and Homoski's about Palestinian citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>Deaths are leverage.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I put it in that category, but I know

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 4>plenty of teachers that that's not what their angle was.

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<v Speaker 4>They believed the whole it was too dangerous to have

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<v Speaker 4>schools open thing for summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because Trump said it was good to open them.

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<v Speaker 4>The left went crazy explaining how incredibly unwise that would

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<v Speaker 4>be and if there needed to be more horrifying irony

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<v Speaker 4>for the political left.

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<v Speaker 5>All kids were hurt pretty badly. Poor kids were just decimated.

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<v Speaker 4>To Armstrong and Geddy on demand, we're not boring.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes you angry. You don't want to live your

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<v Speaker 4>life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty.

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 4>We're Armstrong in Getty. We try to bring you the

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<v Speaker 4>truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.

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<v Speaker 4>About something about a comedic tone.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a winner. Yes, listen to Armstrong.

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