1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: And broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe. 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: Katty Armstrong, and Kattie I know Hee Armstrong and Getty 4 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: strong Man. 5 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 3: Philadelphia Zoo announced last week that a pair of nearly 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: one hundred year old tortoises recently welcome their first hatchlings. 7 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: You may have seen the tortoises on the MTV show 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: ninety nine and. 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: Pregnant markets are surging. 10 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 4: If you're listening to us live, so the bounce back 11 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: has begun, and get into that later. Also, latest polling 12 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 4: on the whole tariff thing, get into that later also. 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 4: And oh and I just saw the real ID deadline 14 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: is a month away. 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: This is going to be my all time greatest. 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: Hit screw up because it's been I've seen it coming 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 4: for so long and known the entire time for years 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 4: that at some point I will be at an airport 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 4: ready to get on a plane someplace I need to go, yes, 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 4: and they'll say, we no longer accept your driver's license, 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 4: you need your real ID. Even though I knew it 22 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 4: for years, I am that is going to happen to me. 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: I like your high school teacher. 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 5: Assigned you a book report due in twenty years and 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 5: you waited until the last night and you're up all night, right, 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 5: that is going to happen to me? Yeah, it's funny, Judy, 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 5: And I heard that report, and I have a feeling. 28 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 5: I spoke for many, many millions of Americans when I said, 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 5: do we have real IDs? 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: I've completely lost track? Is ours real? 31 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 5: She looked at it and said, yeah, yes, we do. 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 5: How that happened? I don't record? 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: Well, I sure don't have one. 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: Are you sure? I'm positive you might. When did you 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 4: last for new year license? I don't know so. Uh 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: so your driver's license? Is it? 37 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh it is? 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: Well, maybe I did have a real like the updated 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 4: does it have like a hologrammy looking thing on there? 40 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: Or yeah? 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe I do have it done and done, sir. 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 4: That's my point. Nobody has any idea part Yeah. 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 5: So, speaking of economics and that sort of thing, which 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 5: a lot of people are doing these days in reference 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 5: to the tariffs. 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: But to this too shall pass, I hope eventually. Uh 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: And and. 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 5: Some of the support and lack of support are coming 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 5: from some interesting areas for the tariffs, and we can 50 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 5: talk about that more later, but I'm kind of tariffed out. 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: We brought this up kind of briefly at the end 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: of the show. 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: You see, I could talk about tariffs for many more hours. 54 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: Well you should feel free. How about one room over anyway? 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 5: I found this so interesting, big survey of America's employers, 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 5: especially manufacturers. They cannot find reliable, conscientious workers who can 57 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 5: pass a drug test. A good worker, like a good man, 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 5: can be hard to find these days. And who is 59 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 5: this writing in? Alicia Finley, who I think is a 60 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 5: terrific writer, But she says, blame government, which showers benefits 61 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: on able bodied people who don't work well at the 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 5: same time subsidizing college degrees that don't lead to productive employment, 63 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: and the result is millions of idle men and millions 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 5: of unfilled jobs, what an economist would call a dead 65 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 5: weight loss to society. 66 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: So failing the drug test? 67 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: Is it mostly the marijuana, the Mary Jane, the lettuce, 68 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: the hippie? 69 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I suspect so though. Sure I 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 5: think it's mostly pot. But I think that's just brilliantly. 71 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: Simply put, we are showering benefits on able bodied people 72 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 4: and subsidizing useless college degrees as as a people because 73 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: the government is theoretically doing our work right, Well, I 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 4: for one don't like either end of that anyway. Forty 75 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 4: percent of small business owners and March reported job openings 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 4: they could not fill. Construction companies fifty six percent said, yeah, 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: we have unfilled jobs and we can't find anybody. 78 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: Transportation, I have. 79 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 5: A feeling that's mostly truck drivers fifty three percent manufacturing, 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 5: which the President is, according to many people, admirably trying 81 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 5: to shepherd back inside the country. More forty seven percent 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 5: of manufacturers say, no, we've got openings we can't fill. 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: Well. 84 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 5: So, according to the last week's National Federation of Independent 85 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 5: Business survey, that might. 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 4: Be a flaw in the president's plan that hasn't been 87 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: discussed enough. He wants to bring back the fifties or 88 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: seventies or whatever golden era of manufacturing that we used 89 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: to have. But back then people would do those jobs. 90 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: If half the manufacturing jobs out there you can't fill. Now, 91 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 4: what if manufacturing did come back to the United States, who, 92 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 4: in theory is going to do those jobs? Well? 93 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 5: Not illegal immigrants, because thank god, the border has been 94 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 5: closed and the statistics are astounding Biden was a scoundrel anyway. 95 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 4: Was it going to be the woman's studies major from 96 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: your local university that goes works, They're probably not. Well. 97 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 5: It could well be the dudes who have no disability 98 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 5: on disability who are heaved off of that system, but 99 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 5: that would take some tough love, and that's not very 100 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 5: popular politically speaking. I mean, if you go into one 101 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 5: of the districts of the rust Belty places or Appalachia 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 5: or whatever where you have just ludicrous levels of people 103 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 5: on disability. Happened to read a couple things about this recently. 104 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 5: Didn't flog you with it on the air. But if 105 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 5: you go into those places and say we're kicking it 106 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,119 Speaker 5: off everybody on disability who's not like missing a limb, 107 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 5: you will lose an election by seventy points, if that's 108 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 5: even possible. Once people are on the dole man, once 109 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 5: people have a benefit, whether legitimate or perhaps questionable, taking 110 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 5: it away as political poison. As you know, Labor Department's 111 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 5: job openings and labor turnover survey businesses tell a similar story. 112 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 5: There are twice as many job openings in manufacturing now 113 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: than in the mid two thousands as a share of 114 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 5: employment save for the pandemic, America's workers shortage is the 115 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 5: worst in fifty years. Decades ago, productivity, enhancing technology and yes, 116 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 5: inexpensive imports costed men who worked on shop floors to 117 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 5: lose their jobs and drop out of the workforce. But 118 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 5: that generation is sailing into the sunset, and there are 119 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 5: many fewer young Americans who want to work in factories. 120 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 5: Listen to this now, the labor force participation rate among 121 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 5: young among working age men is now about five percentage 122 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 5: points lower than in the early eighties. Okay, this is 123 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 5: not like the nineteen tens. This is the nineteen eighties, 124 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 5: five points lower. As a result, there are about three 125 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 5: and a half million fewer men between the ages twenty 126 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 5: five and fifty four in the workforce, and one point 127 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 5: three million between the ages of twenty five and thirty. 128 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: Four in a significantly bigger population than we had in 129 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 4: the eighties. Right then there would have been were it 130 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: not for this decline. Labor participation among working age women, 131 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: on the other hand, recently hit a record in part 132 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: because they are having fewer children, and then people aren't 133 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: coupling and that sort of thing. At the risk of stereotyping, 134 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: women are more inclined toward helping professions such as services 135 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: than those that require physical labor. Well, that's just true, 136 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: it's undeniable. So I've not done a manufacturing sort of 137 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: job before, so I don't know what it's like, but 138 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: I certainly feel like there's a social stigma around it 139 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: that doesn't help true. 140 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: Why it is? 141 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 4: Why there's not a social stigma around having a meaningless, 142 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: soul deadening paper pushing job in a cubicle. 143 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: I don't know why that is. 144 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 4: I mean, maybe the other way around should be there 145 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: shouldn't be any stigma around any jobs. Working for a 146 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: living is considerably better than not whatever the hell you're doing. 147 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: So why I at least the vestige of the twentieth 148 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: century where a job where you used your brain as 149 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 5: opposed to your back was seen as a higher status job. 150 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: God, I don't know some of these jobs or you 151 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: use your brain. 152 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: That's barely not much, I mean, but they certainly don't 153 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: seem like they'd be much more enjoyable as starter jobs. 154 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: Right, Tedious is tedious. 155 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 5: I had a sort of manufacturing job for one summer 156 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: and it was pretty tedious, honestly. But I'm sure it is. 157 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 5: You know why I go and went ahead and took 158 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 5: it and kept it. It was because it paid pretty good. 159 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: It was my best option, right, So yeah, you got 160 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: and and well you should have to make a living. 161 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: You got to support yourself somehow. 162 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 4: No, you don't. 163 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: What kind of monster are you listen to this? Would you? 164 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 6: So? 165 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 5: Where have all the good working men gone? Some are 166 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 5: subsisting on government benefits, are living off their parents. About 167 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 5: seventeen percent of working age men are on Medicaid, seventeen percent, 168 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 5: seven and a half percent on food stamps, and six 169 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 5: point three percent on Social Security, many claiming disability payouts. 170 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 5: According to the Census Bureau. Many spend their days playing 171 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:35,479 Speaker 5: video games and day trading, well, day trading hilarious, speculating 172 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 5: on meme stocks, or you tell somebody your day trading. 173 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 5: I don't know how often you're actually trading and making 174 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 5: any money, because you don't want to say I just 175 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 5: play video games and live in my parents' basement, So 176 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 5: you say you're your day trader. So I don't remember 177 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: our a good friend, Craig the healthcare Genius's statistics. But 178 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 5: if I remember correctly, originally Medicaid was only supposed to 179 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 5: cover like a tiny percent people period. 180 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: Now it's covering. 181 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: Now it's covering, And that would have been like the 182 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: old and you know people that I got all kinds 183 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: of physical or mental problems. 184 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: Now it's seventeen percent of. 185 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: Working age men, not not like senior citizens. 186 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: That's nice. 187 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple more stats. Other missing men are taking 188 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: longer to finish college or pursuing graduate degrees. Only about 189 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: forty one percent amen complete a bachelor's degree in four years, 190 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: even though study after study shows they don't teach, you 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: don't have to work. 192 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: There's great inflation. It's dopey. 193 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: Only forty one percent and a quarter take more than 194 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 4: six years. 195 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: Wow, because you're in no hurry to get out of college. 196 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: My dad used to comment about perpetual college students, and 197 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 4: I never really understood what he was talking about. And 198 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: I'm sure it was a small number of people back 199 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 4: when he was in college, but now it is a lot. 200 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: Apparently. I'll just stay in college. 201 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: I'll just keep borrowing money and because I'm too young 202 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 4: or unwise to understand what I'm doing, and I'll just 203 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: keep this game going. Of I get to sit around 204 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: with my friends and discuss the world without ever having to. 205 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 5: Engage in it. Yeah, and I have disability. My thumb 206 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 5: hurts on Thursdays. Final stat then I will I will stop. 207 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 5: We're just we are a fat, lazy, comfortable society. We're 208 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 5: headed to front denial, right, we are headed straight toward France. 209 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 210 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 5: The unemployment rate Jack considered this among recent college grads 211 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 5: with a sociology degree is about seven percent, and their 212 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 5: medium wage, if they do have a gig, is forty 213 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 5: five thousand dollars. 214 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: According to the Federal Reserve. 215 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 5: Bank, Social grads can earn twice as much working on 216 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 5: an auto assembly line, which pays an average hundred thousand 217 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 5: dollars a year. Good gig, but not many want it. 218 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 5: The reality is that masses a young people, writes Alicia Finley, 219 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 5: who again as a genius, has been taught that capitalism 220 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 5: is exploitive. They don't want to work in factories. They'd 221 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 5: rather mooch off taxpayers or their parents. How CHORL Marx 222 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 5: is that? 223 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? 224 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 4: Some of it is that, I'm sure, But I just 225 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is just the cultural 226 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: that would be embarrassing for your parents and for you 227 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: if you worked over it the whatever factory. Yeah. More 228 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: embarrassing in our current society than if you just live 229 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 4: at home and you know you say you're a day trader. 230 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: It's more embarrassing to have a job at a plant 231 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: than to live with your parents. 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: But I think it is. 233 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 5: Or having taken six years to get an undergrad degree 234 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: in gender studies, you're now getting a master's degree in 235 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 5: the theoretical decolonialization of art, or whatever the s. 236 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 4: They sometimes think for soft people. Man, there is no 237 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: more iron law of humanity than that. 238 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 6: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty the Armstrong and Getty show. 239 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Thank You. 240 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: In Los Angeles, jury has awarded a man fifty million 241 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 4: dollars after he was seriously burned by a Starbucks drink. Now, 242 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 4: the person got burnt pretty good, but I had to 243 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: on his junk, on his junk and says he can't 244 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: have sex anymore. Although you would make that argument if 245 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: you're trying to get fifty million dollars. So whether that's 246 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: accurate or not, I do not know. But and I'm 247 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: not a lawyer, but I don't know how you work 248 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 4: this out in society. On one hand, I'm going through 249 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 4: the drive through at Starbucks. I don't deserve to be 250 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: maimed for life. 251 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: No, certainly not in my privets. 252 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 4: On the other hand, it's an impossible expectation that nothing 253 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: ever goes wrong ever, And you know, nailing down whether 254 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 4: it was the employee's fault or the person in the 255 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 4: car's fault is difficult. I mean, if you ever go 256 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 4: to Starbucks and you get more than one drink, they 257 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: give you that cardboard holder that the drinks fit in, 258 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: and this person claimed that they didn't secure the tea in. 259 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 4: It was sitting at an angle and then it spilled. 260 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: Oh maybe it was or maybe you hit it on 261 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 4: the window or with youurob or whatever. I don't know, 262 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: but anyway, you can't get everything perfect all the time. 263 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars. 264 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: The problem with this, to me is what it's what 265 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 4: drives so many of the things that make us nuts 266 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 4: in life. The fact that the school won't let your 267 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: kid play if it's rained the last two days, you 268 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: have to stay inside for reassss because they might slip, 269 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: and some jury will award one hundred million dollars. I mean, 270 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 4: it's just it's an unworkable situation for society. So I 271 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: don't and you know you wouldn't want Starbucks to be 272 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: able to like, here comes my girlfriend's ex boyfriend. I'm 273 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 4: gonna throw hot tea in his face at the drive through, 274 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: and there'd be no penalty for that. 275 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: I mean, so there's gotta be a ligne somewhere obviously. 276 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 277 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 5: I just think we've gotten so far off tracks a society, 278 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 5: because it's very different than virtually any other legal system 279 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 5: on Earth. You're not going to get a fifty million 280 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 5: dollar reward like this in Argentina or or probably Britain. 281 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 5: I don't think, but I don't think we as people 282 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 5: understand how far off we've gotten. 283 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 4: And a big reason for that. What is the number 284 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: one profession among legislators. 285 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: It's not even close. You know, it's an attorney, right, 286 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: And the whole jury thing where this is one of 287 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: the reasons that we regularly say, you know, don't make 288 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: those jokes about how to get out of jury duty. 289 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: Show up on the jury so you could say, so 290 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: you could be there as a smart person, say fifty 291 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: fifty million dollars is insane, Yes, because you got to. 292 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm guessing you got a jury fro of peoples of 293 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: Starbucks is rich, they can afford it. I don't like 294 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: them anyway, you know that sort of thing, right, Yeah, yeah, boy. 295 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 5: If there's one technology mankind has not perfected, it's the 296 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: getting the cup lid to click on the cup thing 297 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 5: in the world of coffee. And you know, granted, I'm 298 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 5: an older fellow now, and I've learned the hard lessons 299 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 5: of life, sometimes more than once, usually more than once 300 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 5: before I absorb them. Boy, anybody who has boiling hot 301 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 5: coffee and assumes that lid is on their right, you 302 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: are a bold man and a foolish one. 303 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. I just when I heard that, I just thought, 304 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 4: oh crap, this is going to lead to even more Sorry, 305 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: we can't allow you to do this stuff, or you 306 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: get like room temperature coffee, right, coffee can't ever be 307 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: That might be the reaction from Starbucks, no more hot coffee. 308 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: I know lots of people order stuff extra hot, because 309 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 4: I've known Barista's order stuff extra hot. It's already so 310 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: hot you can't drink it. But it's the idea that 311 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 4: it'll be it's so hot that by the time you 312 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 4: get to work on your fifteen minute commute, it'll still 313 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: be hot. Well, I'll bet that goes out the window 314 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: after this settlement. 315 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, So I shouldn't say this, but everybody's thinking about it, 316 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 5: so I will. So, this guy got fifty million dollars 317 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 5: because he could never have sex again? 318 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: Was he any good at it? I mean, does that 319 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: factor into the juries? 320 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean you think they should interview previous lovers 321 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 4: and say, so, how much of a loss is this 322 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 4: for humanity? Well? 323 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean because it's obviously lost to him, no 324 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 5: matter his skills, but to humanity, because shouldn't that be 325 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 5: a fifty to fifty thing on asco Consortium, et cetera 326 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 5: on a scale of me to wow? 327 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: Where was he exactly? 328 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm asking these questions. I don't have the answers. 329 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, God dang it. 330 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and. 331 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 6: Getty Show, The arm Strong and Getdy Show. 332 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: So I mentioned this last week and we never got 333 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 4: around to it. I'm glad we are now, and I'm 334 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: looking forward to Joe's reaction to this. So this is 335 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 4: Ezra Cline of The New York Times on Lex Friedman's 336 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 4: podcast from a couple of weeks ago. And Lex Friedman's 337 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 4: an interesting guy if you've never heard his podcast. First 338 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 4: of all, they're all two to four hours. And I 339 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: don't know who listens to those whole things, but he 340 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 4: has people on of all different kinds of political stripes 341 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: and worldviews and stuff like that, and he just wants 342 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 4: to hear what they think. And he opened with this 343 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 4: great question for Ezra Kline of the New York Times, who, 344 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 4: if you don't know his act, he is a columnist, writer, liberal, progressive, 345 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 4: not a bomb chucker though that's just his I mean, 346 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: he's a really smart, he's an intellectual, but he's a progressive. 347 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 4: And Lex had him on to say the first question 348 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 4: was basically lay out the progressive point of view or 349 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: the democrat point of view of the worldview. And I thought, okay, 350 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 4: this is fantastic. I'm going to hear this from a 351 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 4: smart guy. And I thought, I am going to listen 352 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 4: to this podcast in my earbuds as I was like 353 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 4: doing laundry or something like that, and I thought, I 354 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 4: am going to, like in a relax manner, listen to this, 355 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 4: see if I can find any common ground, like fully 356 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 4: understand you know where they're coming from, right, not the 357 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 4: cable news version, but like the intellectual version of how 358 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: they see the world. And I didn't make it more 359 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 4: than like thirty seconds before. 360 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 2: I said out loud in my bedroom. Oh, you've got 361 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: to be effing kidding me. So this is how it went. 362 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 7: You can define the left in different ways. I think 363 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 7: the left has a couple fundamental views. One is that 364 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 7: life is unfair. We are born with different talents, We 365 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 7: are born into different nations. Right, the luck of being 366 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 7: born into America is very different than the luck of 367 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 7: being born into Venezuela. We are born into different families. 368 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 7: We have luck operating as an ominive presence across our 369 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 7: entire lives, and as such, the people for whom it 370 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 7: works out, well, we don't deserve all of that. 371 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 4: We got lucky. 372 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 7: I mean, we also worked hard, and we also had talent, 373 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 7: and we also applied that talent. But at a very 374 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 7: fundamental level, that we are sitting here is unfair, and 375 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 7: that so many other people are in conditions that are 376 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 7: much worse, much more precarious, much more exploited, is unfair. 377 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 7: And one of the fundamental roles of government should not 378 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 7: necessarily to turn that unfairness into perfect equality, but to 379 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 7: rectify that unfairness into a kind of universal dignity. Right, 380 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 7: So people can have lives of flourishing. So I'd say 381 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 7: that's one thing. He has a very low voice for 382 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 7: a child. Yeah, I'll hold back for now. 383 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: I see what you mean. Though my eyes were wide. 384 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: You don't deserve that. 385 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 4: That's when I said in my bedroom, Oh, you gotta 386 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 4: be effing king. 387 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: Wow. 388 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 5: Well, and I want to hear the next part, obviously, 389 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 5: but he kind of denied his own purpose there at 390 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 5: the end. 391 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 4: We're not trying to come up with some perfect equality. 392 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 7: But yeah, let's hear a little more and then we 393 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 7: can discuss The left is fundamentally more skeptical of capitalism 394 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 7: and part of the unchecked forms of capitalism than the right. 395 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 7: I was like, this is hard to talk about because 396 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 7: what we call unchecked capitalism is nevertheless very much supported 397 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 7: by government. So I think in a way you have both, 398 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 7: Like markets are things that are enforced by government. Whether 399 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 7: they are you know, how you set the rules of 400 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 7: them is what ends up different between the left and 401 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 7: the right. But the left tends to be more worried 402 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 7: about the fact that you could get rich building coal 403 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 7: fired power plants belching pollution into the air, and you 404 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 7: can get rich laying down solar panels. And the market 405 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 7: doesn't know the difference between the two. And so there's 406 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 7: a set of goals about regulating the unchecked potential of 407 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 7: capitalism that also. 408 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 4: Relates to sort of exploitation of workers. 409 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 7: There's very fundamental questions about how much people get paid, 410 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 7: how much power they have. Again, the rectification of economic 411 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 7: and other forms of power is very fundamental to the left. 412 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So. 413 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 4: It reminded me, of course, when Obama said, you didn't 414 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 4: build that, that attitude, and I thought, okay, Aszra Klein 415 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 4: just laying that out a little more clearly. 416 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: I heard a. 417 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 4: Podcast with this guy. He's got the most famous economics 418 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 4: podcast in America. I can't remember what his name is, 419 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: but anyway, and he's he leans left, but he his uh, 420 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 4: his take on the whole. Okay, even if you've got 421 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 4: a situation where where you like, in the most blatant example, 422 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 4: it's not fair that this person, you know, they're born 423 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 4: with a better brain, their parents got him a tutor, 424 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: they had connections to get him into a better school. 425 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 4: Whatever it is versus someone else, how is the government 426 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 4: going to weigh in to fix it? He said, Even 427 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 4: if I buy all the lack of fairness. In what 428 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 4: sense could you structure a government that's gonna even that out, 429 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 4: that doesn't do more harm than good? Well, exactly that 430 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 4: the phrases the key one. 431 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 5: And it is interesting to me to hear somebody who's 432 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 5: obviously fairly intelligent, like Ezra Kleine, be so narrow in 433 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 5: his vision, so incredibly unwise to not recognize that if 434 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 5: you empower somebody, I was going to summarize his creed 435 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 5: with as the following, I'm so smart, I and people 436 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 5: like me should be in charge of everything because. 437 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: We will make it good. 438 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 5: But a guy who is reasonably intelligent to lack the 439 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 5: wisdom to see that a government empowered to right all 440 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 5: of these pick a un wrongs or equalize somehow or other, 441 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 5: even if not a perfect equality, but like getting us 442 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 5: halfway there, that government would be so awesome and not 443 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: in the modern word like causing awe and horror, so 444 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 5: powerful and monumentally huge. 445 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: It would be terrifying. How do you miss that? 446 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 4: As, oh, no, we would just do the good thing, 447 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 4: not the bad stuff. 448 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: Well, right, And then. 449 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: The problem being that where you draw the line between 450 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 4: unfair advantages that people didn't earn and choices that you 451 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: make because lots of people make really really bad choices 452 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 4: in life. I've made bad choices in life that damaged 453 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 4: me a lot, and some people keep doing them. I 454 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: don't dismiss the ideas. I haven't told my story about 455 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: the uber driver I had the other day. Maybe I'll 456 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 4: do that for the podcast today. But I was thinking 457 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 4: in that trip, which was really sketchy, that this poor 458 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 4: guy is never going to be able to do very 459 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 4: well in life. So I got a better brain than 460 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 4: he did. That is unfair, that's not his fault, it's 461 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 4: not my credit. But then he got all the life 462 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 4: choices that people make. And I've seen so many smart 463 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 4: people make horrible life choices. What is the government gonna 464 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 4: do to even out results there? 465 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 5: And I've known the proverbial c student, Oh yeah, absolutely, 466 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna go with the old trope that 467 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 5: but they're very straight smart and blah blah blah. 468 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 7: No. 469 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 5: I've known some people who aren't very bright, but they 470 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 5: make good, sound moral decision after decision, and it benefited 471 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 5: quite nicely from those decisions. 472 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: Anyway, what makes. 473 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: A person though again in the morning and want to 474 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 4: pursue the idea of that person has more than that person. 475 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: We need to get them closer together. 476 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 5: What is that well, and the means that they use 477 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 5: to pursue that goal or are often horrible from my 478 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 5: point of view. I mean, if you have a charitable 479 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 5: view of the world and you think I ought to 480 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 5: do something to help those people, you have my full 481 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 5: blessing until it becomes And what I am going to 482 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 5: do is, at the point of the government's gun, take 483 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 5: money from people and compel them to do these things, 484 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 5: because that's the opposite of generosity, that's, you know, totalitarianism. 485 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 5: I hate to even use the word fairness any context 486 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 5: in this because it's become such a cliche, rhetorical cliche 487 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 5: of the left, because people have an instinctive view of 488 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 5: what fairness is from childhood on. 489 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: That is, everything should be fair. That's at least the ideal. 490 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 4: Whereas you know, being born with a better brain or 491 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 4: a worse brain, or a taller, good looking or talented 492 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 4: or whatever, that the difference. 493 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 5: Among people is one hundred percent fair. It's a very 494 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 5: definition of fairness. Nothing has been done by anybody to 495 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 5: pervert the natural unfolding of it. Nobody cheated anybody. 496 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 4: Right The Jefferson idea of just you go as far 497 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 4: as your talent and effort will take you right exactly 498 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 4: that it's there could be nothing more fair than you 499 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 4: get dealt a. 500 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: Hand in life. 501 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 5: And then you've got to go from there with you know, 502 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 5: the help of the people around you, and the people 503 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 5: care about you, and the government protecting your rights. That's 504 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 5: why the government exists, and off you go. Read Harrison 505 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 5: Berger on the Great Kurt Vanna Gets Short Story. If 506 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 5: you don't have a lot of time, read Thomas Soul's 507 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 5: Conflict Divisions if you have more about this sort of thing. 508 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 5: But I hate and it breaks my heart that my 509 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 5: daughter is autistic and life will always be extremely difficult 510 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 5: for her. 511 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: I hate that. I adore her, but I wouldn't use 512 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: the word unfair to describe that. 513 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: It just is. 514 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 4: I got kicked off of a jury before I made it, 515 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 4: the only time I've ever made it this far to 516 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 4: like actually get into the courtroom and they started the 517 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 4: lawyer start asking me questions, And the question that got 518 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 4: me kicked out was looking back to the starting point 519 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 4: of your life where you've end up now, is it 520 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: more or uh, the circumstance you were born into or 521 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 4: your life's choices, and I went with life's choices and 522 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: that got me kicked off jury that I think life's 523 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: choice is unfair, unfair good vlun fair good good vocal 524 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 4: fry from Ezra Klein. I don't know why, uh, socialism 525 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 4: goes with vocal fry. I don't know why those two 526 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 4: things go together. But I still think life choices have 527 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 4: more to do with it than where you were born, 528 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 4: who you were born to in brain power you have 529 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 4: in terms of where you're gonna end ultimately end up. 530 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: And he obviously does not believe that. Uh yeah. 531 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: And then even if you agree with Azra Kleine, you're 532 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 4: still at the point. 533 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: Of how could the government fix that? Anyway? 534 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 6: Well? 535 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: Right, And my response to all of it would be 536 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: so what, So now what are you going to do? 537 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: That is always the question at every moment of your life. Okay, 538 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: so now what are you going to do? 539 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 6: The Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, Borgia Orgio podcasts and 540 00:28:54,360 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 6: Our Hot Lakes, the Armstrong. 541 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: And Getty Show. 542 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 5: So speaking of policy, and this is so incredibly important, 543 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 5: Jack is afraid it will vanish into the dustbin of history, 544 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 5: and I think he's probably right. But now even for instance, 545 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: the New York Times is admitting keeping the schools closed 546 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 5: was a horrific idea and utterly unnecessary. 547 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: I called it a disaster before. 548 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 5: No Mount Krakatoah, covering your village in Lava is a disaster. 549 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 5: This was a crime, a partisan political crime, and the 550 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 5: victims were children in society as a whole. 551 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 4: And one of the worst things our government has ever done. Yes, 552 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 4: I would agree absolutely. It was like the internment of 553 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: the Japanese or whatever. You could even make a case 554 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 4: for that. The scientific case for keeping the little kids 555 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 4: out of school was null and void. Within a few 556 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 4: months of the beginning of COVID. 557 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 5: Anyway, New York Times writing paying the price, school children 558 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 5: in Massachusetts, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are still about a half 559 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 5: year behind tip pre COVID reading levels. In Florida and Michigan, 560 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: the gap is about three quarters of a year. In Maine, 561 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 5: Oregon and Vermont, for instance, it's close to a full year. 562 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 5: This morning, Group academic researchers released their latest report card 563 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 5: on pandemic learning loss and it shows a disappointingly slow 564 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 5: recovery in almost every state. 565 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 4: And maybe closures, yes, and maybe you're going to get 566 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: into this, or they get into this. But that's just 567 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 4: measuring the learning without measuring the disruption to classes. 568 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: We've heard from lots of teachers of kids are different now. 569 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 4: They missed a couple of years of having to sit 570 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 4: there and pay attention and get homework done, and they 571 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: just they're not You can't get them back in the group. 572 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: They don't really get into that. 573 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 5: And I'm really glad you brought that up, because the 574 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 5: socio psychological damage to kids, hell, that might make the 575 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 5: reading scores look like you know, Irish school closures during 576 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 5: COVID set children back in most districts have not been 577 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 5: able to make up the lost ground, obviously, partly because kids, 578 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 5: when they're that young, they absorb information in a way 579 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 5: that I envy with every fiber of me. And you 580 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 5: can't just have them not do that for a while 581 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 5: and say, all right, now we're going to do it 582 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 5: even more than usual. It's not the way kids work. Yeah, 583 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 5: does everybody not know that or whatever? 584 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: But anyway, up until about age eight, your brain runs 585 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 4: about a thousand times faster and does after that. You 586 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 4: take a kid out of school for two years before 587 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 4: age eight, oh my god, you've done damage. 588 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: To them, Yes, that's a horrifying yeah. 589 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 5: So and here we get into a couple of the 590 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 5: more interesting specific aspects of this other A reason for 591 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 5: the lack of, you know, catching up progress is school absences. 592 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 5: The huge rise has continued long after COVID, says Thomas Kane, 593 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 5: Harvard Economists, member of the research team that we're going 594 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 5: to talk about a little bit, said, the pandemic may 595 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 5: have been the earthquake, but heightened absenteeism is that tsunami. 596 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 4: And it's still rolling through school, right, that part, not 597 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 4: just not showing up to school, is still a problem. 598 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 5: And as I've said many times, when the New York 599 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 5: Times isn't being just unforgivably idiotically biased, they actually do 600 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 5: some pretty good deep dive reporting and they look into 601 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 5: the state variations. According to a new report from scholars 602 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 5: at your big name universities comparing performances across states. 603 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: I hope you're not going to tell me that blue 604 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 4: cities and states even got poorer performance than red I 605 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 4: hope you're not gonna come. 606 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to need you to sit down, need you 607 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: to brace yourself. 608 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 5: Michael Jack's about to need a big hug, all right, 609 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 5: and you know how he loves that from other males. 610 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 5: So today's report shows a wide variety of outcomes. In 611 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 5: the states that have made up the most ground, they're 612 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 5: getting close to how they were doing five years ago, 613 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 5: but the overall picture is not good. And I will 614 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 5: skip some of the specific stats and get to what 615 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 5: they call the Blue Red divide. Political leaders in red 616 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 5: and blue America made different decisions during the pandemic. 617 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, I'm. 618 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 5: Looking at you, you lying monster, Chris Ker, child grooming 619 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 5: scumback because. 620 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 4: Red death Santus and people like that wanted kids to 621 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 4: die for some reason. They enjoy stacks of dead children 622 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 4: at their schools right exactly. 623 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 5: Many schools in heavily democratic area stayed closed for almost 624 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 5: a year from the spring of twenty twenty to the 625 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 5: spring of twenty twenty one. 626 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 4: Or long. 627 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 2: It was longer than that around here were cal Unicornia. 628 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 629 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 5: In some Republican areas, by contrast, schools remain closed only 630 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,239 Speaker 5: for the spring of twenty twenty and opened right up. 631 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 5: And this helps explain a partisan gap in learning loss. 632 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: How you get in the specific status. 633 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 4: I can't believe this wasn't more fairly reported on or 634 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 4: discussed or whatever. 635 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: I use this example all the time because I got 636 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: it in my own life. 637 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 4: I got two schools seven miles apart, the public school 638 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 4: and the private school. My son's now in. The private 639 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 4: school barely shut down at all. The public schools closed 640 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 4: for like two years. And there were not I was joking, 641 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 4: there were not stacks of dead children everywhere. Teachers, our teachers. 642 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: The private school was fine. 643 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 4: Now, how do you explain that, teachers union public schools. 644 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 4: How do you explain that that school's open over there, 645 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 4: and it's not like they got tons extra money for 646 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: some sort of special ventilation or something like that. 647 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: What a joke. 648 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 5: Randy Weingarten, the head of the Big teachers Union, who 649 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 5: is a demon from hell sent to punish us for 650 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 5: our sins, used it like other unions did, as leverage. 651 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 5: You want the kids back in. I can tell you 652 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 5: really really want the kids back in. You got to 653 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 5: give us more money. You got to give us more 654 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 5: of this, You got to give us more of that. 655 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 5: No than the kids stay home. 656 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 4: I fully believe she was doing that and knew that, 657 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: And I honestly don't know how she sleeps at night. 658 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: I don't because she has no conscience. 659 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 4: She's a monster. 660 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 2: You are a monster. 661 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 4: You certainly don't care about children. I mean, you're beyond 662 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 4: not caring about them. You're fine with them having awful 663 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 4: lives if you can have more power. You're a disgusting 664 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 4: human being. 665 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 5: But you know what she's like, ya ya Sinwar of 666 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 5: Hamas she cares in children insomuch as they are leverage, 667 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 5: just like Cinar and Homoski's about Palestinian citizens. 668 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: Deaths are leverage. 669 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I put it in that category, but I know 670 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 4: plenty of teachers that that's not what their angle was. 671 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 4: They believed the whole it was too dangerous to have 672 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 4: schools open thing for summer. 673 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because Trump said it was good to open them. 674 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 4: The left went crazy explaining how incredibly unwise that would 675 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 4: be and if there needed to be more horrifying irony 676 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 4: for the political left. 677 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 5: All kids were hurt pretty badly. Poor kids were just decimated. 678 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 4: To Armstrong and Geddy on demand, we're not boring. 679 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing. 680 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 4: It makes you angry. You don't want to live your 681 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 4: life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty. 682 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 4: We're Armstrong in Getty. We try to bring you the 683 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 4: truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world. 684 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 4: About something about a comedic tone. 685 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: We have a winner. Yes, listen to Armstrong. 686 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 4: You get on demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 687 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 4: or wherever you get your podcasts.