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Speaker 2: It is a big idea a new world order. Well,

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Speaker 2: not going to trick me twice. The time is now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. Your host David Penn,

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Speaker 2: happy to be with you as always on this Tuesday night,

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Speaker 2: the fifth of August. Good Morning, Tanner, Good Morning, Episode

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Speaker 2: two twenty six, twenty six. We have an in studio

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Speaker 2: guest today. I'm very excited to welcome into the studio

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Speaker 2: Mohammed Ahman, who is an associative mind through Republican Party politics,

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Speaker 2: and I've invited Mohammed here to talk about the African

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Speaker 2: the history of that community and how that community is

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Welcome, Welcome, thank you, professor, Thank you of

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Speaker 2: course and got your audiences SODU. Welcome, very glad, very

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Speaker 2: glad that you're here. Mohammad and I have met several times,

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Speaker 2: we've met and talked, but this is my first time

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Speaker 2: I've really had a chance to learn about your history

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Speaker 2: and where you're from. When did you come here? How

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Speaker 2: did you get here? Could you share with me? Are

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Speaker 2: you willing to share with me some of your personal

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Speaker 2: story and history? And I so I'd like to know you.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Gabba. I like talking, so a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a background. Came in ninety five from Africa, born

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Speaker 3: And the thing is when we came to America, we

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Speaker 3: And what happened is George bush One. People think it's Obama,

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Speaker 3: but George bush One allowed refugee status. You have to

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Speaker 3: That was a very and he signed that in front

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Speaker 2: I know about that now.

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Speaker 3: That is the reason why we're here because in nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 2: And you also the black Hawk down and nobody starves

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Speaker 2: on a biblical basis? Is that what? But so Maria

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Speaker 2: Talk about a million people dying a famine three years

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Speaker 2: not famine, money induced famine America USA. It was giving

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Speaker 2: scientific regime, the scientific socialism regime, that's what he called it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I know a little something about this. That's why I'm

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Speaker 2: so glad for you to be here, because what I

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hear from you, you were there, you grew

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Speaker 3: I mean, my family grew up there. I grew up

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Speaker 2: Oh so this was part of the Cold War confrontation

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Speaker 3: Oh, No, let me tell you how the name so

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Speaker 2: You're nomadic pastoralists. Tribal culture fact, and you can go back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you'll find in the hieroglyphics in Gizer my people's information.

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Speaker 3: They said, go there for trade, you will find gold, ivory, frankincense.

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Speaker 3: We were doing business as warrior traders and empire builders

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Speaker 3: And we and the Arabs across the street, we were traders.

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Speaker 3: selling it to them. And the almost are like, where

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Speaker 2: say that word again. What we have a code? Somalies

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Speaker 3: The code is called a code of life, code of life. Okay,

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Speaker 3: He took He took Congo and the third of the

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Speaker 2: One third of the population of the Congo died under

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Speaker 3: One third private property, his private property. Everywhere else was

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Speaker 3: So they came to so Malia. After this time, we

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Speaker 3: And the land is bigger than Texas, so I mean

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Speaker 2: With lots of natural resources. Everything you can imagine in

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Speaker 3: I got five children here. My brother is a legislator,

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Speaker 3: We are warrior and we are traders. I'm a businessman.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying, if I understand this correctly, the colonial

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Speaker 2: Why did they give it to the Italians after they

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Speaker 2: Because I am I right, didn't the Italians fight a

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Speaker 2: And that was a great way to maintain that division,

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Speaker 2: Were they Marxists, No.

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Speaker 3: They were given an option, what do you want to

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Speaker 2: In fact, so good were they that when they held power,

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Speaker 2: It does are cool.

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Speaker 3: And he was popular until nineteen seventy six when he

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Speaker 2: Sounds like Donald Trump. You know, that's who we are

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. Was there some was Somaya

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Speaker 3: The man was populist, okay, And the figured out that

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Speaker 2: He nationalized, He nationalized your business, took your money, made

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Speaker 3: That is part of it. It's a bigger picture.

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Speaker 3: Now Utopia was a Dergu Mengist Halle Marium Communist communist,

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Speaker 2: And this was backed by the Soviet.

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Speaker 3: paid for it, informed it, set up the process and

435
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Speaker 3: killed Hyder Salassi. This is the hidden secret. The KGP

436
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Speaker 3: did that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

438
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Speaker 3: The files came out.

439
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Speaker 2: That's the first time I heard that.

440
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Speaker 3: The files came out. Go look it up. I don't

441
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: know if they're gonna bury it again. But the files

442
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: came out during the Peristroica when the opening came up.

443
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Speaker 2: So where was Somalia. Then why did he.

444
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: Just understand communism does not come from US Africa. It

445
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: had to come from somewhere.

446
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: And I was during the Cold War who was sponsoring

447
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: communism in Africa and Latin America and the Middle East

448
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: and European Asia. Well that's a whole other podcast because.

449
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Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to tell you is after that

450
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Speaker 3: we were in the Eastern Bloc Assa Mariia and so Manage,

451
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: I've decided, you know what, this guy's becoming stalinistic. And

452
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: when they were terrorized in the so Many population in

453
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Speaker 3: western Western organ area, and the people there were there

454
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: was already a rebellion Western so Many Revolutionary Front, and

455
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Speaker 3: these people were actually fighting. And when the fighting god

456
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: was and the repression god was, we saw Malage do

457
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: what we saw Maliges do. We form alliances and we

458
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: go to war. And Selbury went into a war which

459
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Speaker 3: was populist. Everyone could see it coming a mile away.

460
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Speaker 3: But he was already in the Eastern Bloc. So basically

461
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Speaker 3: it was fighting the ankle of the Russians.

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Speaker 2: He was by who is he fighting ethopia? The communist utopia?

463
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Speaker 2: We fought Utopians?

464
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Speaker 3: Is the seventh century in one or another of the

465
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Speaker 3: resources alert. But this was the communist version of.

466
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Speaker 2: It, and so they were fighting the communists, fighting the communists.

467
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Speaker 2: But he had problems within Somalia. Also, the biggest problem

468
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: was is he was a client state of the communist Okay,

469
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Speaker 2: so why you broke off, went to American side and

470
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Speaker 2: the United States started to fund him with billions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much, yes, pretty much, even though he was a dictator.

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Speaker 3: You have understand back in those days, the American foreign

473
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Speaker 3: policies will fight communists everywhere. I mean, you gotta look

474
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Speaker 3: at Vietnam, the Domino thing. The philosophy is basically, we

475
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: fight everywhere but in America.

476
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Speaker 2: And what was the fight really over the resources and

477
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Speaker 2: the forty percent of the international trade that goes through the.

478
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Speaker 3: Civil national vote that comes with it in multinational bodies.

479
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: There's a whole lot of goodies that comes along with

480
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: the country aligning with you beyond trade and peace.

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Speaker 2: So how is it that bars regime fell? How did

482
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Speaker 2: it fall?

483
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Speaker 3: Well, it was a coup. At the end of the war.

484
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Speaker 3: People blamed Barre, but you have to understand.

485
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Speaker 2: Who won that war Between Atopia on the.

486
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Speaker 3: Kubans came in twenty thousand of them, I mean Eastern

487
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: Germany came in, the Yemeni, the Communists came in. I

488
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: mean the Russian general was running the war for Eutopia

489
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: and a billion dollars airlifted a billion dollars nineteen seventy eight,

490
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: as close to forty fifty billion today in arms was

491
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: delivered to Eutopia. And we were getting worked a couple

492
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Speaker 3: one hundred million and General Miley under cover when it

493
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: was just a special forces training so many forces and

494
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: the population wise is fifty to one.

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Speaker 2: So what shape was Somalia left in after that war devastated?

496
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Speaker 3: We lost a third of our forces and guess what

497
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Speaker 3: the ones who were coming back to try to do

498
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Speaker 3: a coup. And this guy started paging and the people

499
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: who was paging formed military wings, whether he was SSTF

500
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: so Malie Salvation Democratic Fraud or the scn M so

501
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: Many National Pathetic Movement or the SPM logad instead. And

502
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: he went along tribal levels and all of them wanted

503
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: an end to this dictatorship and it became even more impressive.

504
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: And he was a client state for the West because

505
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Speaker 3: again is a this is he was a charismatic one.

506
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: He was elegant, the man could speak, the monk could lead.

507
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: But his government was corrupt to the core, and socialists

508
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: and socialism took a country that was going to be

509
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: the Singapore of Africa into a begging board. The most

510
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: popular song during that time was so good a land Cruiser,

511
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: So Barry Giley, So Barry Giley, So god land Cruz.

512
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: Go to the world and beg for me while you

513
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: build mansions and by sports cars. That's how corrupt the

514
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: government leaders ship. The government was corrupt, took the money

515
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: for itself. The people fell into poverty. These warrior, the

516
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: closs business people. We wanted our businesses. Why did your freedom?

517
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: We wanted our freedom. Some wanted democracy back, some form

518
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: of democracy, not this cliquish socialist ideology which took over

519
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: the country.

520
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Speaker 2: And how how did the Islamic religion play in total position?

521
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: Comes in many ways. There's a group called Alis Islamia.

522
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: It had organization. Yeah, and the hard came about in

523
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: the eighties. Now what happened is Salsbury, for all his

524
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: fort was a progressive leader. He put the first five

525
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Speaker 3: mill files in Africa. Jet fighters, some other women soldiers,

526
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Speaker 3: some other women. The women fought against besides the men,

527
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: they could do anything in Somalia, and some traditionalistening like that.

528
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: They say the empire women too much. We're still living

529
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Speaker 3: in a missage.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is he actually it's progressive in

531
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Speaker 2: terms of liberating women, the women in the society, and

532
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: that brought it back a blowback from the Islamic traditional.

533
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: Islam does not mind women being liberated. What in minds

534
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: is westernizing it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna bookmark that and come back to it. That's

536
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Speaker 2: a very interesting.

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00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: That's cultures to be Islamic. Nobody's saying they can't do

538
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: anything they're not doing. It's just that we want the

539
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: people traditions to saying why are women naked while they

540
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: were in bikinis? Why are they on the beaches? Why

541
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: are in the nightclubs while they drinking? Backlash were traditional

542
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: Muslim society.

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Speaker 2: We're not Westerners, which had been established since the beginning

544
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: of Islam in these seven hundreds, So it's very deep

545
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: rut in the people.

546
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Speaker 3: In our DNA. Islam is in our DNA. You can't

547
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: even the one who drinks alcoholic Muslim Somali will still.

548
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: It goes from morning prayers he goes from morning prayers exactly,

549
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: snort the cocaine at night, the morning prayer in the morning.

550
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: Tell you Islam is the way. It's in our DNA.

551
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: I understand it. No, yes, for sure, it's in our DNA.

552
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: I carry with me at all times. My bead is

553
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: with me.

554
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: The Sufi waste lives even in America.

555
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: But you know the Minnesotans are afraid of this. You

556
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: know this right that people are afraid that I'm bringing

557
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: it up again. I'm gonna let you go. You get

558
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: there anytime you want to.

559
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: Well. Al ISLAMI a little herd started and the minism

560
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: why it started because there was a couple of issues.

561
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: Number one, the other be trained so Mali is one

562
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: not getting jobs. They suspected them. Say that one more time,

563
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: a big trained traditional so Mali learning system.

564
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Speaker 2: Okay, they want to get the jobs.

565
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: It's the Western educated ones, especially the socialist.

566
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Speaker 2: They got the jobs. They got the jobs in the

567
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: more modernized in a technical, technocratic, modernized society. Those that

568
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: were educated in the traditional Islamic system we were discriminated

569
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: against and the rewards went to those that were educated

570
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: in the Western system.

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00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: Exactly. Okay, So the shift and the balance and the

572
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: pull and pull came about because there's always an in

573
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: crowded society and an outcrowd. They were on an outcrowd.

574
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: So what do you think they will do.

575
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Speaker 2: They're going to fight to get back on the inside.

576
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: So they formed the associations in the eighties and Salbury

577
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: they started setting him up and they said, this guy

578
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: is no longer a Muslim, and he took offense at that.

579
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: They said, I'm a so Mali, I'm a Muslim. What

580
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: are you talking about? And then they said because they

581
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: used the women as an issue, and they said, you're

582
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: making the women more than they are supposed to be.

583
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: And they said, but women can do anything. Now they

584
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: couldn't retort to that. But in the Huran he says

585
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: men and women are not equal, and it's true biological

586
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: or equal, mentally, physically not equal, and managed to protect

587
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: them woman. This is traditional Islam. We're not gonna I'm

588
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: not gonna dictate to argue about it. I'm a muslima

589
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: believe in that. But in opportunities they equal in everything.

590
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: Mohammed Salon Ali Slam the prophet himself, was a walker

591
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: and a husband to a forty old woman when he

592
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: was twenty five, running her caravans across the Arabian before

593
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: even became a prophet, working for a woman, working for

594
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: a woman Ali Salam.

595
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Speaker 2: So what you're saying, like, you know what I mean.

596
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: So Islam does not forbid that, but sell better went father.

597
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: He said, show me the vase in the Quran and

598
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: I will change it. And that nobody changes the Quran.

599
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: So that alienated him from the religious hierarchy. Yeah, and

600
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: they formedly. He came on the streets and he killed them,

601
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: and he started jailing them, lots of them.

602
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he was killing them like he was going

603
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: out of fashion.

604
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: This side this this history. I know he even though

605
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: is scientific socialism, used one of the pillars of Islam's

606
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: a cot to justify socialism. When it came down to it,

607
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: he repressed the religious hierarchy. Social care about his power.

608
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: All socialists care about his power. Democratic You've seen it

609
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: with your own eyes.

610
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: There's nothing democratic about them.

611
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: Now that's something we're gonna come back. So we got

612
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: two issues in the next hour. We got to get

613
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Speaker 2: to go. We gotta get back to this because we

614
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: have this issue in Minneapolis. We'll get to that with

615
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: omar Fata. We will get to that.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: What happened is after that they formed a little hot

618
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: They went a little bit. Let's say the people are

619
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: already because people still support itself, but people didn't rise

620
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: up like the way they expected. Now you have to

621
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: understand malicious. We're already fighting insurgences. And these people went

622
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: about doing tao. Basically, they propagated the ideology. Some of

623
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: them propagated extremes versions of Islam. They went all the

624
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: way militant because of the repression. That was their reaction.

625
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: They went extreme militant. And now so is a traditionally Sufis,

626
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: which is more tolerant. We're tolerant of everything. We believe

627
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: that a soul and the Lord is between a soul

628
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: and the Lord. Not judgmental, not very judgmental. We're judgmental.

629
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Speaker 3: We judge sin, sin, you judge, but not people. Let

630
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: me put it that way. We will judge you, but

631
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: we go slowly about it. But these ones who came about,

632
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: they will beat you into the faith, cajole you, sastise you.

633
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: And they will beat you into the faith. They will

634
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: beat into the faith. This is the Gulf form of Islam. Well,

635
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: hobbyist answer, and was the Saudi's funding some of these.

636
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: Groups was funding this left hand right? And when Saltbater

637
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: went down, the institutions went down and the schools were

638
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: shut down. And what do you think opened up in

639
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: so many Yeah?

640
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because all the institutions and apart these people. You

641
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: see what happened. There's nothing wrong with it, sala fie,

642
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with it. It's the extreme version people

643
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: have a problem with that. Will chop off your head

644
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: or do what we want. And then when the institutions

645
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: fell apart, they found an opening and the country fell apart, right.

646
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: They set up educational institutions, and the generation came about

647
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: they call an isis.

648
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Speaker 2: And then this is the time when because there was

649
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: so much violence and repression. This was under the George

650
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Speaker 2: Bush administration time coming back from the Johnson administration, Americans,

651
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Speaker 2: I have a read of history book to know what's

652
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: coming next. Well, I think I think I do. And

653
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: that's when those podcasts governments, Oh our government, Yeah, well,

654
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: our government have.

655
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: No The idea is yesterday and the next election cycle.

656
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: That's as far as their minds go.

657
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's because they're so highly educated.

658
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: Is that what it is.

659
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: That's what it is. Yes, I've never met a more

660
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: ignorant class of people than the ones who let this

661
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: count in the last thirty years.

662
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 3: They don't know history.

663
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: They're all they're all graduates of our finesty lead institutions, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia.

664
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: That's where they get their education from other PhDs.

665
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: I mean they alienated everybody. They alienated everybody from the

666
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: Gulf to Latin America to Europe to Africa because they

667
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: didn't open up a history book to understand what underlies

668
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 3: these issues.

669
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: Okay, how you go about dealing with these people? Okay,

670
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: So what underlies all these issues.

671
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: All these issues stems from colonialism.

672
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: Okay, let's stop right here. First, for everybody that's listening,

673
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: that's listened to the previous two hundred and twenty five

674
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: Professor Penn podcast, and I apologized to you that I

675
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: didn't remember that Somalia was given as an Italian protectorate.

676
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: I forgot that. And I apologize because that's a lack

677
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: of my own historical knowledge all of these histories. To

678
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: understand where we are, we got to know how we

679
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: got here, and how we got here was colonialism. And

680
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: neo colonialism. And we're still trying to heal from what

681
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: the European colonial powers did to the Chinese. For example,

682
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: they told him the sick of the six mon of Asia,

683
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: sick man of Asia. That do you know? Do you

684
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: all know that the United States was part of the

685
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: colonization of China opiumate? Do we know that some of

686
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: our most famous families and richest families made their money names,

687
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: you know, like Roosevelt, made their money selling drugs to

688
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: the Chinese opium trade opium trade, right right? We don't know.

689
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: And you know, to Mohammad who's talking about a history

690
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: going back thousands and thousands of years, obviously you know

691
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: your history of your beach historian, I don't know history.

692
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: I just doubled it well for dabbling. It's dabling a

693
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: lot more than that. Yeah, he says dabbling, but he's

694
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: just mentioning all these years straight off the dome. But

695
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: but the point is we don't have that in our

696
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: school system. We don't even have that interest because our

697
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: educated elites don't want us to know. Those who don't

698
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: know history, we never know their future. Why should I

699
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: teach you history if you're going to change the future

700
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: of it. Say that a little bit more. What do

701
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: you mean by that?

702
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: Those who don't know history don't know their future. If

703
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: you have no past, I'll treat your future for yousidication.

704
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: So why should the depopular missidication teach you about history

705
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: when they want to shape your future.

706
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: They don't want you to know who you are. I

707
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: say it all the time on the podcast. The point

708
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: of this podcast, one of the core ideas is we

709
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: have to know how we got here if we're going

710
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: to know where we're going to go. And I'm so

711
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: interested to keep going on this because now we're to

712
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: your life. Now you're born, now this is the period

713
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: of your childhood in East Africa.

714
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, my father and I'll have to say this

715
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: as a disclaimer, when they nationalized our industries, we did

716
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: what we always do. Start an insurgeancy.

717
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: Okay, well they stole from you pretty much.

718
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you put our eldess, my tribal elldness in jail.

719
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: We're very tribal people. Now I'm not that tribal, but

720
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: the tribe lives within miss in our DNA.

721
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: But you have to understand that when you sew social security,

722
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: how we walk the world. When you say try, I'm

723
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: from a tribe ah, so I understand what you mean.

724
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: But I think most people don't understand a tribal mentality

725
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: here in modern American twenty twenty five, the loyalties and

726
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: the family relations. They just don't understand it. It's not

727
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: part it's part of making sure people are easy to

728
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: shape their futures, to break them from all their relations.

729
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: Americans are very adamized. See. One of the reasons I

730
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: wanted you to come in here is I want What

731
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm hoping to find out, or what I'm going to encourage,

732
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: is that people discover the founding documents of American and

733
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: they go, Wow, that's freedom. We like that that we

734
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: can come together of all these different communities as Americans.

735
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm here. I want to find out

736
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: if that's possible. Ken, you're going to say the this

737
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: is a good question. Can the Somali, can the East

738
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: African community? Can the African community actually become Americans? And

739
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you a story because I'm from

740
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: a tribe, which.

741
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: Tribe judah Ah what branch it's almost all mudy. I

742
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: know they're breaking branches ascenas is.

743
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: A heart ashkenas. Okay, So when my family came here,

744
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: we also ran away. Nobody wanted to had to stay die.

745
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: So everybody in my family stayed, died, nobody survived. The

746
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 2: only people that lived either came to the United States

747
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: or went to Israel.

748
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 3: And when I was one population is using the world

749
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: is Israel number two America America.

750
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: That's right. So my my my grandfather came to America,

751
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: my grandmother came to America. Both sides. Family came at

752
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: the same time because it's impossible to stay in Europe

753
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: at that time. Ran away, just like your family ran

754
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: away from violence, from rapes, robberies, murders, the history. I

755
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: know how my family died. I mean my grandfather told

756
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: me his brothers and sisters were killed. Why he came.

757
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: First he went to England, and then he came to Canada.

758
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: Then he got lawfully came into the United States. Because

759
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: this is before Johnson, so it was not easy to

760
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: come in here. They didn't want to. They didn't want

761
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: the Jews in the United States. So when I say they,

762
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: I mean the political class, I mean the Republican Party

763
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: did not want the Jews in the United States.

764
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: I can tell you who exactly didn't want because I

765
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: do history. There was a reverend out there, there was

766
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: a there was a Catholic guy who was.

767
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: On the father Colin.

768
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: Who was leading bought organization. I mean, there was a

769
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: whole lot of people.

770
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: And the guy who was the senator from Las Vegas, mccaren.

771
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 3: On the books.

772
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.

773
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: There were loose in America. That's say, don't bring the Jews. So,

774
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: but they had lows for the Catholics and then they

775
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: are low.

776
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: They want to keep the Catholic car too.

777
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, so it's normal in America.

778
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: We go through ups and downs of immigration, of immigration,

779
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: anti immigration.

780
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: This is very normal.

781
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: Well it's very historical.

782
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's normal true to ourselves.

783
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: But I want to tell you my family came here

784
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 2: and I was raised in the Old Way and the Old.

785
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: Way what part of Europe?

786
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: Ukraine?

787
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: Ukraine? Oh yeah, I'm Ukrainian, Kiev are mostly.

788
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: Yes, and so you know, the first language in my

789
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: home was Yiddish, the second language was Russian, third language Hebrew,

790
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: fourth language English. So this is how I grew up

791
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: in a multi lingual immigrant home. And my grandmother. When

792
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: I was about fourteen, fifteen years old, she sat me

793
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: down and she said, my son, you're an America. Now.

794
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: You don't have to wear a qipaw. You don't have

795
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 2: to do the old ways. You're in America. Be an American, assimilate, assimilated.

796
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: Don't be like your grandfather and me. Become an American.

797
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: Oh well, neworld.

798
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: And she pushed me to do it because she thought

799
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: that was and this was in the you know, sixties.

800
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 2: And I listened to her, and because I loved her shoes,

801
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: because you know, in a tribal culture, grandmother very important.

802
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: She's the glue, she's the exactly she was the boss.

803
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to cook the food, for God's sakes,

804
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: that's exactly correct.

805
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: You don't eat unless you listen to grandma. Everybody knows that.

806
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: That's seemed very similar. When Mohammad came to he brought

807
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: food for us this morning. Because we never go to

808
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: visit a guest. We never go as a guest without

809
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: a gift. So it's a Jewish way too. It's a

810
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: Jewish way too because we're cousins.

811
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: Hey mann a last for multiple man when you.

812
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Invite me anyhow, when She told me to assimilate, and

813
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: I did, and I speak perfect English now and my

814
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: Hebrew is not so good anymore. My Yiddish is worse.

815
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: I can still pray in Hebrew, and I do. But

816
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 2: the the need to assimilate. At that time, of course,

817
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: America was baling in nineteen sixty. I mean, it was

818
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: a wonderful. The sixties and seventies was a wonderful time

819
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: to grow up in America because America was large and

820
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: in charge, and it was a very just a good

821
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: feeling to be an American. Just good. It was good

822
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: to feel like I had a great feeling to be

823
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: part of the culture. Now you left, same I family.

824
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: My family left people dying, killing, murdered, butchered. Everyone leaves

825
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: that can get out. So your family left. There was

826
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: an insurgency, you said, your father the king.

827
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 3: We were safe.

828
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: We had money. We've always had money in my family. Okay,

829
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: we were upper middle class.

830
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 3: We've always been upper middle class because also we're part

831
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: of the tribal hierarchy.

832
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: Okay.

833
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 3: So Ahamdulilai come from a good blood Leno man who

834
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 3: put us in that position.

835
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: And we were funding the.

836
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: Surgency in Saumalia. My family spent close to what was

837
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: in my I did an accounting with my uncle, who

838
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: was our tribal chief, five to eight million dollars over

839
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: twenty thirty years, funding medicine, food, whatever the soldiers needed

840
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: to go in the bushes and topple the Socialists.

841
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: Okay, you know for.

842
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: The ssd of party which later on formed the Puntland

843
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 3: State of Somalia. When Putlan was being formed, it was

844
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: being done in my father and my uncle's houses and

845
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: their friends.

846
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: You know, that's a whole other thing. There's Somaliland, and

847
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: there's Somalia.

848
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: There's so Maliland, There'sland, there's Rashabelle. There is a southwestern state,

849
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: there's Jubiland. There is uh Gal Mudduk Soma. There is

850
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: no Cartomo state just formed last year and there may

851
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: be more coming or maybe they will assimilate and contain

852
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: so Maliland. You have to understand was British so Malyland.

853
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: The British colonized it. The southern part was colonized by

854
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: the Italians. No one national superpower could take us by itself.

855
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: We are worring nation. In fact, the longest running in surgency,

856
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: second to the Vietnamese one against the Chinese and other stuff.

857
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: Is so Malis We've always been in sergeants.

858
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: So the British, the British part of that region is

859
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: now Somaliland.

860
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: Is so Mareland and so Mareland.

861
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: Is that a country? Is that a recognized.

862
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: Regional protectorial under the British.

863
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: But is it a recognized country right now? Is it

864
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: a un country?

865
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: They got recognized for independence on July June twenty sixth,

866
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty and June first, nineteen sixty Samalia became Southern

867
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Speaker 3: Somalia became recognized and on June fourth, and then what

868
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Speaker 3: happened is immediately both combined to call themselves the Republic

869
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Speaker 3: of Somalia.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, so.

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Speaker 3: Maerland has existed for a brief period as an independent nation,

872
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: maybe three days. And what happened is after the civil

873
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Speaker 3: war the sn M and they faced the Jeneral side

874
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: in the eighties. Let no one lie to you. They

875
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Speaker 3: got killed by the Barter socialist regime by the tens

876
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Speaker 3: of thousands.

877
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Speaker 2: This is in Somaliland.

878
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: Level Geza and these people wanted no part of this

879
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Speaker 3: union and they came.

880
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 2: But it's a clan thing, it's it's it's tribal.

881
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: It's tribal, and they say we want no part of it.

882
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: We want independence. It's just that thirty years is nineteen

883
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Speaker 3: ninety one. And here's the beautiful part. They made it work.

884
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: They've held three consecutive elections. They're democratic, they held on

885
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Speaker 3: to those principles.

886
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: Are they recognized now as a country? Oh, they're still

887
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: shopping around right now, just this one. So they're still

888
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: part of Somalia, but it's its own independence. It's not

889
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: recognized but different. So they're independent. They're independent.

890
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: They have their own police, military marines, like the parliament

891
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: Upper House, by cameral, Lower House, Guurti and everything else.

892
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: They have elections for their own president. In fact, he's

893
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: coming to America under Somali passport maybe or diplomatic passport

894
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 3: to try to get recognition The Congress just this week

895
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Speaker 3: parstoral commission to investigate on the viability of it America.

896
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Speaker 3: Under Biden, the policy was simple, one United Somali because

897
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Speaker 3: they don't want to open up the car or worms

898
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Speaker 3: of basically recognizing independently facto nations drone duling colonial lines.

899
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Speaker 3: And when that happens, you open up a can of worms.

900
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Speaker 2: In all over Africa everywhere, not.

901
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: Only all of Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe. These lands

902
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: were basically somebody sought as a bureaucrat and drew a

903
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 3: line on them up in eighteen sixty five. They did

904
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Speaker 3: that in the Berlin Conference.

905
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Speaker 2: Even though there's a line on a map, they cut through.

906
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: This is crystal tribes, communities and empires on purpose to

907
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: create division.

908
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 3: Divide rule. It's an old artist.

909
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: So what yours? If I understand what you're saying correctly,

910
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: Somali Land is a viable, functioning country which is seeking

911
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: it's seeking recognition, but will not be recognized because you're

912
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 2: saying it will open a can of worms all over

913
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: the world about these tribal divisions like the Kurds. The

914
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: Kurds in in the midd least, there are another group

915
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: that has a functioning government but not a country.

916
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: But you have to understand the Exaclan is adamant. We're

917
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: not going back. We f his general side. Our city

918
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: is well demolished, We've tried this union. We're not going back.

919
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: And the Southern Somali is saying we're not letting you go.

920
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: The seat for future was right.

921
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: There between Samaariland and the Southern Somartians and.

922
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 3: Now foreign powers are playing both sides because there's something and.

923
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: Which side is the Where's the United States playing? Right?

924
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: The United States? The United States right now is the

925
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: honest broker.

926
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: Is the honest broker and the Trump.

927
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: It's the onest broker. They're trying to figure out the

928
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: way out of this, and I'm telling you Trump adminas

929
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: doing something amazing. They don't care what your policy is,

930
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: they don't care what you're trying to do. They don't

931
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: care what your leaders are. What they care about is peace,

932
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: trade and some form of partnership.

933
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: So no judgment, make money. Right.

934
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 3: Here's a transactionalist. That's why I voted and campaigned for

935
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: him because this thinkers with the radical ideologists, or we're

936
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 3: gonna ship the world image turn Cowbull into Washington, DC

937
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: and tan Bangdad into Oregon.

938
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: Ridiculous.

939
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 3: What did they get us?

940
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: Nothing? They pissed away tillions of our dollars because they

941
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: didn't brought back our soldiers and we won't even take

942
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: care of our veterans, and they split the billions that

943
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: came out of it. I can I ask a questions

944
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 2: just so I know, Yeah, are you American citizen.

945
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 3: Now I'm an American, proudly, I'm an American fast make

946
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 3: America great again kind of puzzle.

947
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: So let's make this clear, because now we're gonna pull

948
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: the rabbit out of the hat. You're actually, if I'm correct,

949
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: if I'm saying this, you're a supporter of Republican Party causes.

950
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: A Trump guy, American Republican elephant singing, elephant fly cutting,

951
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: American reldwide and blue.

952
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: Now there's gonna be people listening.

953
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't just.

954
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: Now, Muhammad, I can just see it. The people are

955
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: gonna be coming to me, and here's what they're gonna say.

956
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: Don't believe them, don't trust them.

957
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: Let me give you a little bit of background. When

958
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: the Jardis came to Isis and Salt recruiting in Minnesota,

959
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: what did I do? What did you do?

960
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: Tell them? You sat on social media and said them,

961
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: so Mali's they're joining the jiharlist. I went to bat

962
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: against them. I came in an organization I ran for

963
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: eleven years. I shut it down called average Muhammad. You know,

964
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: I use the name average Muhammad because I wanted a

965
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: Muhammad a saw Mali to be the anti jihadi I

966
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: went from here to Team Book to to Tel Aviv,

967
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: and I spoke up against the Jiarli movements. Rest of

968
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: your life.

969
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 3: I get that dress every day.

970
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: Bro, you got your RPG with you, oh in America

971
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: around hours, But I got askmit to Wisson.

972
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna see what I'm saying. Oh yeah, But what

973
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you is this. We went to

974
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 3: bat So good aUI I'm the twenty twenty citizen Diplomat

975
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: by the United States States Department because I am as

976
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: good as they are in terms of defeating mind. I

977
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: reached over five hundred million people over eleven years. I've

978
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: been on sixty minute cbers talking down Jihadis.

979
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question.

980
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: I've been on the front page of Start Tribune more

981
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: times than I can count. I've been. I've been. I've

982
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 3: been on Washington Post, New York Times, Folk, New CNN, MSNBC,

983
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: and everything else talking down jihadists. And then people started complaining,

984
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: and they say, what about the white supremacist. So I

985
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: hooked up with former Neo Nazis, the NSM Nazi leader,

986
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: and we started making messages. I started counting the new

987
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: Nazis and the clowns. Mut come up to me and

988
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: they say, what about the clowns? And I say, I

989
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: hooked up with former clownsmen and we went after the clownsmen.

990
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: And then the anti sem might Semitic people come to me,

991
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: the people from the tribe and the same Mohammed, we

992
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: have a rising antisemtency. I said, I see it, and

993
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: we started going after the antissement and the racist people.

994
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: Black people come to me in the same hem. You're

995
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: fighting for everybody, what about us? And I went against

996
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: the racists?

997
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: Why do you do that? The American way of life? Okay,

998
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: So I want to just make sure everybody is understanding

999
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: what I want to share. What I'm understanding. You're a

1000
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: supporter of Donald Trump. Oh yeah, you're a supporter of

1001
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: Republican causes. You're anti any kind of discrimination that you

1002
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: see wherever you see it, starting with terrorism, with extremism,

1003
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: any kind of extremism you think is no good.

1004
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: Your work has never solved any problem.

1005
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: That's a saying from my Antlo, a woman who I

1006
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: shared the same award with Global Tized USA Citizen Diplomat

1007
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: again twenty eighteen and National Privilege. I share the same

1008
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: award as my Andela Poort activists that I'm very proud of,

1009
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: more than the State Department one. You have an award

1010
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: that Maya Angelo had.

1011
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: I'm buzza doesn't. Senate does have them. I'm one of them,

1012
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: but I'm just on average.

1013
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: Muhammad.

1014
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: I don't claim to be anybody but nobody. I will

1015
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: never run for anything, and I don't care for much.

1016
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: All I care about is peace, trade and some form

1017
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 3: of partnership. That's it. That has been my premise, bring

1018
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: people together. If you look at the Torah, the Tanach,

1019
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: if you look at the Bible, if you look at

1020
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: the Rand, there's one fundamental teaching love one another.

1021
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: Then let me just let me first of all, let

1022
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: me just say that in all of these books, there's

1023
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: lots of things people pick at, but what matters is

1024
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: how people live their life. So what you're living your

1025
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: life is to create a unity. Tell me what is

1026
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: going on in the Somalian community here in Minnesota. Take help,

1027
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: my listeners, viewers, understand your perception of your of this

1028
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: East African community here in Minnesota. What's going on with it?

1029
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 3: Well, we've come, we've come of age. We've come of

1030
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 3: age and Unfortunately that ages they're going back to. Some

1031
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 3: are taking us back to socialism?

1032
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: Is that in their DNA? Also, No, we're business traders,

1033
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: we are warriors, we are poets, we're everything, but socialists.

1034
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: So why are they doing this? Because this is arkansac

1035
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: the money, money and control. You have to understand Somalies

1036
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: make up only five percent voting bloke in Minnesota. You

1037
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: can't win elections with five percent. Who is the other

1038
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: ninety five percent? Is the question people don't want to answer.

1039
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: But black Muslim immigrants makes a good scape. Good We

1040
01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: found out messy in America with him Katie. Asking African Americans,

1041
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: they'll tell you. Usk the Hispanics, they'll tell you us,

1042
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: the Asians, they'll tell you. Ask the Jews, they'll tell

1043
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: you Ask the Catholics. They'll tell you. Nobody gets it

1044
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: ease in this country. The Native American. Don't even ask them.

1045
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: You know it.

1046
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: You're bringing up a very provocative It's not a provocative

1047
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 2: it's the fact. No, no, no, it's provocative because you know

1048
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: there's a thing in the New Testament. You know, don't

1049
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: point out the cinder in someone else's eye when you

1050
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: got a log in your own eye. Work on your

1051
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: own problem. And here in Minnesota, and this is another

1052
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: big part of the podcast, we have a prevailing culture

1053
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: here in Minnesota. What you're saying is blame it on

1054
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: the Somalis, replaces, blame it on the Jews, blame it

1055
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: on this group. But it's the prevailing you're saying, it's

1056
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: the ninety five percent. They need to look at themselves.

1057
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 2: Is they have to understand correctly what.

1058
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is. For example, Amr Fhatai is running, okay,

1059
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 3: is openly as a socialist. M'm dani is running in

1060
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: New York, openly as a socialist. Okay, we've seen that.

1061
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: Talk to the ho monk they live next to Cambodia,

1062
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 3: Tell them what happened. Ask them the old timers what

1063
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 3: did they see with the socialism there. Talk to the

1064
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: East Germans who came running when the war went down

1065
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: into America, you know, ask them what was socials.

1066
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: But the monks, the monks are all a line with

1067
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: the Democrat party here in Minnesota. Again because of what reason.

1068
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: Money money.

1069
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,479
Speaker 3: You have to understand money. Democrats spend money, socially spend money.

1070
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 3: Your sorto spends money. The Republicans they stay in the community.

1071
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 3: We have BPO use out here called basic political organizing

1072
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: units within every particular party. The Democras organized and they're

1073
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: organized with money. The Republican ones forgot the word organizing.

1074
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: They're not in the communities. Republicans don't even ask Somalists

1075
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Speaker 3: for voters.

1076
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Speaker 2: I am, that's why you're here.

1077
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Speaker 3: I know. But Republican Party traditionally does not even ask

1078
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: black people for voters.

1079
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Speaker 2: That's why we have ask his paric voters until Trump

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Speaker 2: came alone and changed the dynamics. Now we can change

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Speaker 2: the dynamic ask.

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Speaker 3: But they would send consultants, take a picture with you

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Speaker 3: and say we did our outreach. But when you talk

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Speaker 3: about asking people for voters, is to know the difference

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01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: between a Samosa and Asambusa and Tamalila Papusa. These folks

1086
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Speaker 3: here in the country clubs and the BPOU and the organizations.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they have a crew, and I don't

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Speaker 3: want to know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that they're afraid of these African community.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing fear because they've been defined again by

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Speaker 3: who by the Democrats. Now last election, we campaigned as

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Speaker 3: Republican people of color for Trump. Let me tell you

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01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: what the result was two to one. Imagine the voted

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Speaker 3: for Trump of a Kamala Harris. The Somali community did

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota start to bune wrote about it and start

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Speaker 3: to bune in those camaras. Why would they write about

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Speaker 3: it because the facts were clear. I can show you

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Speaker 3: the voting records.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying, if you're a Republican Party officer and

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Speaker 2: you're listening to this podcast, I'm gonna let Mohammad say

1101
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: this one more time in his own inimitable style, because

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Speaker 2: we got a lot I probably have. I mean, this

1103
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: podcast is really consumed by a lot of Republican Party activists.

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Speaker 2: They come here. Some of them like to come here

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01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: just to hate me, Okay, they just like to watch

1106
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: it to hate me and some of them and some

1107
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: of them are here because we have a movement in

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Speaker 2: the party to change the party, to make it a

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Speaker 2: party that's more responsive to the citizens or as they

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Speaker 2: say on the Democrat side, a party of the people.

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Speaker 2: That's what we want. And what what happened to the

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Speaker 2: Somali community in this last I want to hear it

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Speaker 2: one more time.

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Speaker 3: Oh will you can go to r poc R as

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Speaker 3: in Robert P. People all of color, Republican people of

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Speaker 3: color that are, and you'll find the articles there, and

1117
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 3: you'll find our thinking there. What I'm trying to tell

1118
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 3: you is, in the last election, due to our efforts,

1119
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 3: we got zero dollars from the Republican Party, zero dollars

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Speaker 3: from the Republican dollars. The only people who helped us

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01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 3: was a few brave, brave House representatives in the House

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Speaker 3: of Minnesota and as senators here by camera, the camera

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Speaker 3: House McCarran, Walter Hudson, and a few others who came

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Speaker 3: out who helped us, who basically organized us, and we

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01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: organized ourselves the Somali community seven days before the election

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01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 3: were endorsed it. Not only did we reach did I

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01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 3: reach the Somali community here, Not only were we convassing

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Speaker 3: and campaigning on our own lie because we actually believe

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Speaker 3: in this guy called Trump, because we saw him as

1130
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 3: an agent of chaos to the order. He was the

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Speaker 3: mountains We sent to them because we didn't like the

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Speaker 3: way the country was going. We didn't like our education system,

1133
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: we didn't like the into conductor nation work ideology scares

1134
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Speaker 3: as as people of faith, we have nothing against.

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Speaker 2: Them, but we wanted our way out say this, This

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01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: is very important to me personally. Walk ideology scared us,

1137
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: scares people of I mean, we voted for a guy

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01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: who traveled banned us the first administration, and we knew

1139
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: it's going to travel band us the second time two

1140
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 2: to one because the other side scanned us. The issue

1141
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: of faith, faith is in our DNA, that's number one. Look, man,

1142
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: it is simple for us. It's dulk country. My country

1143
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: is America. The religion, my religion is Islam, nacal culture,

1144
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Speaker 2: trade of warriors, capitalists, local economic means, that's it. Self government.

1145
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Speaker 3: That's how cool.

1146
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Speaker 2: Self governance, We don't need government, self governance, make your

1147
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: own money, make your own money, defend yourself, defend yourself.

1148
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: Relationship between man and God and country. Country has to

1149
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: be there.

1150
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Speaker 3: To that flag, very white and bruno. That's our country now.

1151
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Speaker 2: Because American, because that government is supposed to defend those

1152
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: values and actually the history of this country in our constitution,

1153
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: the things you just said, economic freedom, self governance, self preservation,

1154
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 2: self protection, self defense, those are all things guaranteed to

1155
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 2: us and our constitution. No wonder you like America.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, seventeen seventy six, that was the most radical

1157
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 3: thing they ever did on this planet. Before then, it

1158
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: was either livander a king, live under theocrast live under

1159
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: our system. But until then, sovereignty came to we the people.

1160
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: That's why that document they've tried to change it for

1161
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty years on this other site nearly

1162
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 3: succeeded in the administration calling the sense and free speech.

1163
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 3: The first thing we got us, all right, was free speech,

1164
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 3: right after they used their guns to kick out a

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 3: king who told them to shut up.

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Speaker 2: I would like to just Tanner, you got lots of

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Speaker 2: clips here, young man. Yeah, you got a lot of

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: a lot of material. Because what we want to do

1169
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: is what I want to do. Why I had you

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Speaker 2: in see now. Of course we didn't talk beforehand, so

1171
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: I didn't know what you were going to say. But

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Speaker 2: I had a suspicion that because I know something about

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Speaker 2: East Africa and I know something about the way people

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01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: think about Theast Africans. What has to change is the

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01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: people that are repressing these The Africans need to look

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Speaker 2: at It's two to one for Trump, their allies.

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Speaker 3: Most voted for protests vote because of Gaza. But at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, we beat Kamalajas, who spent

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01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 3: close to fifty million in the state.

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Speaker 2: Whereas the Somalian community relative to the Israel Gaza issue,

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Speaker 2: how is that perceived?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's simple. We are so Malags for free Palestine.

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 3: But the thing is I am for free Palestine, but

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Speaker 3: without antisemitism. Man, keep that are of the Wayman hate

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 3: has never solved the problem. And how when we talk

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01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: about free Palestine. Let's I wrote a chapter about this

1187
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 3: about the city of Jerusalem in my new book called

1188
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 3: Dissidence in America. And the reason why I wrote three

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Speaker 3: thousand years of history of just the city Jerusalem was

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 3: because this issue is not that simple. It runs through

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01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: the fourth line of three major religions of half the

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01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: population of this planet, Christian, Muslims and Jews. If you

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01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 3: look at Zionism, it means going back home. That's what

1194
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,879
Speaker 3: Zionism means. And if you look at the word nakba,

1195
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 3: it means losing a home. Bottom line, the Jewel Arab

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Speaker 3: are saying the same thing home and we're say in peace,

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01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 3: I'm the peace side of America. We say peace Salam shalam.

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Speaker 2: Ascle i'm awaicam find it make it.

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Speaker 3: But killing each other is not a solution, and more

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: importantly is tearing us appeer in America. And we don't

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01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 3: want that mess here. We're tired of it, man, We're

1202
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 3: just seeking tired of it. Every cycle, you guys start

1203
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 3: killing each other. We at each other throats out here,

1204
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 3: choosing which side we're going to be all we refuse

1205
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 3: to do that normal some of us. And we say

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01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: to the Jews, and we say to the Palastinis. And

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 3: I'm working with Israeli peace activists and Palastinian peace activists

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 3: today as I'm speaking to you, I'm setting them up

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01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 3: to talk peace.

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Speaker 2: No, you bring them here.

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01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 3: No, they're in Israel.

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,799
Speaker 2: Oh they're in Israel. Okay.

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 3: I'm organizing them and I've been working with them for

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: the last ten years. I trained them in the Worlds

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 3: of Peace. And we tell them, here's a formula, here's

1216
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: a curriculum, here's a process. Let me teach you, let

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 3: me train you.

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Speaker 2: Good luck. So this Somali community is two to one

1219
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: for Trump once, a two state solution to this problem

1220
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 2: in Israel without the anti Semitism. It's not focused on

1221
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: the Jews. It's a political issue, but very complicated because

1222
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: it is the intersection of three religions aspirations, so you

1223
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 2: recognize the complexity of the issue.

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 3: I mean the Holy Sepulchers, they're a block for away

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01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: from the Western War, and on top of the Western

1226
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 3: wall is Alaxa. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

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Speaker 2: That's great. That's three major religions who each says that's

1228
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Speaker 2: our city. Historically, from the Crusades to the Ottoman You

1229
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: can go back King David one thousand, see Solomon before that.

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 3: Come on, man, this is a issue that.

1231
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: Is deep, deep, deep.

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 3: We need the elites, the powerful, and the people who

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01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 3: can do something about it to fix it. We the

1234
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 3: people are exhausting.

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Speaker 2: Ourselves in passions with unhete, with the hatred, the hate

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Speaker 2: because of antisemitism.

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 3: Islamophobeacomes about just like that. So when you're anti Semitic,

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01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 3: the jude is the jew that guess what, you just

1239
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 3: lit the fire for anti Islam. And because anti Islam

1240
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 3: comes and anti Semetism is happening, the Christians come to

1241
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 3: defend the Jews. And that has been historical because Islam

1242
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 3: is the other Gudeo. Christian values align more than Islamic values.

1243
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: So guess what anti Christianity comes about Ah, all the

1244
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: others come out. The racism, the antiology btqi I mean

1245
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 3: hate becomes known.

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Speaker 2: So then the point becomes then the relationship between the

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01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: chasing the Christians causing alliance between the Islamic and the communists.

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Speaker 3: And what happens is the seeds for wars is already planted.

1249
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 3: The wars are coming, and you're asking the elites to

1250
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 3: solve this. They have to be the elites because we

1251
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 3: come on, people are doing the dying. I don't care

1252
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 3: what you think. Tiffi Biba was kidnapped on October seventh,

1253
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: a child less than two years old man and then

1254
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 3: guess what they killed him and then the body they

1255
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 3: paraded him before they handed him back to his family.

1256
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 3: And how many kids do they are dying and hummed

1257
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 3: in Gaza today right now? At some point your mind,

1258
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 3: we'll see enough, man.

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01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: But we can't depend on the elites because they're the

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: ones profiting and set the thing up for their own benefit.

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01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: With all this comf do you see the elites moving

1262
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 2: to solve this? Trump might Trump is trying to.

1263
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 3: Is the agent of case. We send him there, throw

1264
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 3: the monkey reation to him. Because the uniparty system of

1265
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: the Democrats and Republicans profit of this process, the profit

1266
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 3: of the boss. It's a vampi economic model with them.

1267
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 3: Our flesh and blood across the planet feeds them in profits.

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01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 3: That's not right to ourselves. Doesn't he sound a little

1269
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 3: bit like the Professor Parent podcast? Yeah, I was. I

1270
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 3: was sitting here and thinking that exact thing.

1271
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: Actually, see, we're not all alone, No, we find we

1272
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 2: find our allies wherever we can find them.

1273
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 3: So what we're trying to do is we're trying to

1274
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,480
Speaker 3: walk away from that model.

1275
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: And create a new well being model for the health

1276
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: and we thing.

1277
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Speaker 3: We're trying to do. Why do you think they're fighting

1278
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 3: him too, Tannail? Because he changed the game.

1279
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: He's trying to change the game now. It's very hard,

1280
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: lots of resistance. It's a diction man, It's like a

1281
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: heroin junkie. We used to one of fifty billion going

1282
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: out every year somehow somewhere somewhere for war means for

1283
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: the last thirty to forty years, been too all lately,

1284
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: we never stopped having war exactly.

1285
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 3: It's very hard because of the position we in and

1286
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 3: this unfortunately, even though I'm the peace side, and Trump

1287
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 3: shouts peace through strength. I'm the peace side. I see

1288
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 3: the strength side because I see the Chinese, the Russians,

1289
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: the Iranians and what they're doing. They also have the

1290
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: military industrial complex.

1291
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Speaker 2: Even the hoot.

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Speaker 3: You have a military industrial complex that can shop forty

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Speaker 3: percent of the shipping in the planet with missiles hypersonic ones.

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Speaker 3: Now a tribal outfit, a tribal outfit can do that.

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Speaker 3: What do you think the Chinese can do? So we

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Speaker 3: need these people. We can't do without them, the military

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Speaker 3: industrial complex. We need them. We need them because Theodore

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Speaker 3: Roosevelt taught us carry a big stick. We want to

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Speaker 3: have the biggest balldy stick in the planet. But we

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Speaker 3: need to be learned how to talk silently.

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Speaker 2: Man. We don't talk silently everything man. So what you're

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Speaker 2: saying is we have to have the means to defend ourselves.

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Speaker 3: No doubt about it. I'm a tibal guy, but we.

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Speaker 2: Don't need to be going over to our neighbors and

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Speaker 2: plundering their village, smash and grub, which is what the

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Speaker 2: business model is. Pretty much.

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Speaker 3: That's what what Trump is trying to change with tariffs,

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Speaker 3: with reciprocal trade, with everything else.

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Speaker 2: He's a trader he's a businessman.

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Speaker 3: He's a trader to their class. We sent him there

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Speaker 3: for that purpose. We didn't want him to go play

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Speaker 3: nice with them. We sent him there to tear him down.

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Speaker 3: And he's trying and they're fighting back big time. Think

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Speaker 3: about this. Cambodia Thailand, last couple of weeks at a war.

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 2: I think the Chinese sent the Cambodians to tack the ties. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but what happened? Trump stopped it? How he promised them

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Speaker 2: both a trade deal if they sat down and wanted

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Speaker 2: to do business.

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Speaker 3: Normally would sell both side guns.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, he took Cambodia, which was going

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Speaker 2: to be thirty six per it was forty nine percent,

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Speaker 2: and what they made a deal at thirty six and

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Speaker 2: when they sat down, both Thailand and Cambodi end up nineteen.

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Speaker 2: He actually followed through on his promise, if you guys

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Speaker 2: stop fighting, we're gonna do a deal, and he did

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Speaker 2: the deal.

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Speaker 3: Israel Iran, what happened Israel America says, you can't have

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Speaker 3: a nuclear whipol makes sense, you're going to point it at.

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Speaker 2: Us, and they sent this just sense, right, You don't

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Speaker 2: have to be pro Iran you know, pro Israel, pro America.

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Speaker 2: If you live in Minnesota, you don't want a nuclear

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Speaker 2: whipon point, don't you. It's that simple man state craft. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I am sympathy with the Iranian people. I don't like

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Speaker 3: the Iatulus because ever since they came to power they've

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Speaker 3: been revolutionary and the exporting the nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the people of Iran can remove

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Speaker 2: the mulas.

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Speaker 3: That's none of our business. Let them do them do

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Speaker 3: their own. We care about is peace, trade and some

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Speaker 3: form of partnership. What you do with yourselves none of

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Speaker 3: our business.

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Speaker 2: You know. Trump went into Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 3: They are bombing Arabs. We got three point two tillion

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Speaker 3: dollars from the Arabs. We're not spending trillions in Warnow.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: But Trump went into into Read and they had all

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Speaker 2: the Islamic leaders there, and he stood up and he said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell you what to do. I

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01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 2: just want to do business. None of our business. Where

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: America went wrong.

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01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 3: Washington said America should be careful of foreign entanglements. When

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Speaker 3: we start thinking that we can turn Tehran into Washington

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Speaker 3: d C. We messed up. Terehran is Tehran and DC

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Speaker 3: is DC. We are Americans. Minnesota is Minnesota. We're nothing

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: like us. The greatest state in America is Minnesota. And

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Speaker 3: I'll argue with you on that one, and I'll beat

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Speaker 3: you with it logic of it. The best state in

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Speaker 3: America and the greatest country in the freest country in

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Speaker 3: the world is America. Because are so Malima can come

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Speaker 3: in tottiously and speak American. Ron Reagan told us that.

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Speaker 3: He said, you can't be a Frenchman, you can't be

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Speaker 3: on it onion, you can't be a Russian, but you

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Speaker 3: can call yourself an American.

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Speaker 2: That's what my grandmother told me to.

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Speaker 3: Do, and that's what your grandmother Toldian. That's what I'm

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Speaker 3: teaching my children.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about in a few minutes we have left.

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Speaker 2: Because it's such a big subject, I would like to

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Speaker 2: invite you back again. What about this omarfa Ta thing.

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Speaker 3: Just play the video.

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Speaker 2: Let's play the video.

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Speaker 5: They may have what seems like unlimitted money, They may

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Speaker 5: have a bunch of glossy tailers that would be sent out,

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01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 5: but they don't have the people. And that was really

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01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 5: evident at the convention. The mayor failed to get even

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Speaker 5: a third of the delegation. Our city is done with

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01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 5: the broken promises, done with politics as usual, and so

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Speaker 5: we've built a really broad coalition of working class people, teachers,

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Speaker 5: kinds of writers, young folks, immigrants, and just longtime deflas

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Speaker 5: also that are just fed up with the system. Throughout

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Speaker 5: this campaign, Mayor Fry has been calling our ideas extreme

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01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 5: or too radical. But a lot of the ideas that

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Speaker 5: were deemed extreme or too radical, I've gotten done at

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Speaker 5: the same level. All these progressive ideas that I've been

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Speaker 5: known for to get passed, I passed with Republican support also,

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Speaker 5: so these have been bipartisan bills. So if we're able

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Speaker 5: to get Republicans on board, then I think that it's

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Speaker 5: a shame that we have a city that's all democratic,

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Speaker 5: that has a mare that has been blocking that.

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Speaker 2: Kind of progress.

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Speaker 3: Let me break down the video for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he just told his recipes, all right, organizing, organizing,

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Speaker 2: organizing without money. He's doing it same when we're doing

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Speaker 2: it as a Republican people of color. But the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: Is building a coalition. Are we building a coalition on

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Speaker 3: a Republican site? You're busy pushing us to the site

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Speaker 3: without us. You can't win Minnesota. Period. Let me repeat

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Speaker 3: that without people of color voting, Republican imagines which slump

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Speaker 3: is bringing to the party and even we're going to

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01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 3: exceed it. If we collaborate and coordinate ourselves, you can

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Speaker 3: win Minnesota. And I'll give you a factor. Go to

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01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 3: the Secretary of State. Check the voter rolls. Check who

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01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 3: brought you within a five point margin of taking this state.

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Speaker 3: Break down racial identities.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and you will learn something.

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Speaker 3: We turned eighty four percent. There's eighty seven counties in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: We turned eighty four counties red. Out of Minnesota, four

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Speaker 3: counties remained blue, Ramsey and Nock hennepin the quarter counties.

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Speaker 3: And just with those four counties, Lemocas took control of

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Speaker 3: the state. The governors, theirs. We have a divided government

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Speaker 3: in a bi cameral house. We took over the house,

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Speaker 3: but the cell.

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Speaker 2: It is time. Well, I'm going to tell you that

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Speaker 2: this is a big thing of what I'm doing. That's

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Speaker 2: why I'm working with Royce. I want to work in

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Speaker 2: that urban community and organize that community. Let me ask

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Speaker 2: you a question.

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01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: So we established Republican people of Color. We got tired

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Speaker 3: of waiting for the GOP. We're going to the RNC.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Omar Fata is going to win this election?

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Speaker 3: Don't care. That's a democal issue, Jacko Frey Omarfran. Bottom

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01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 3: line one is far left, the other socialist. You have

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Speaker 3: to understand Minneapolis has transformed the Democrats in a minority

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Speaker 3: is progressive socialists and some outright communists.

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Speaker 2: Now, if Omar Fatah was to win, would that help

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Speaker 2: Republican party politics in the city? If we organized.

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Speaker 3: Well, Minneapolis is a blue city. Republicans, we want need

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Speaker 3: to be honest.

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Speaker 2: I want you to tell me what's going on there.

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Speaker 3: Republicans don't stand a chance based on the fact that

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Speaker 3: we're not organizing, organizing, organizing.

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Speaker 2: But if we organized in the city needs three things.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, volunteers, okay, volunteers if.

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Speaker 3: You can't volunteer, We got the ideas, the people are there.

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Speaker 3: And the third thing that is missing is money.

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Speaker 2: Volunteers, ideas and money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ideas we have and more importantly, the Republicans

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01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 3: we're putting up are carpet buggers. Let's let's let me

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Speaker 3: let me give you an example. Can you play the

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Speaker 3: video for enhance please.

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Speaker 6: A lot of conservatives in particular, would say that the

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01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,839
Speaker 6: rise in Islamophobia is the result a lot of hate,

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01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 6: but a fear, A legitimate fear, they say, of quote

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Speaker 6: unquote Jadist terrorism, whether it's Fort Hood or Sam Bernardino

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01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 6: or the recent truck attack in New York. What do

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01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 6: you say to them?

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Speaker 7: I would say, our country should be more fearful of

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01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 7: white man across our country because they are actually cassing

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01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 7: most of the deaths within this country. And so if

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01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 7: fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe,

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Speaker 7: Americans safe inside of this country, we should be profiling, monitoring,

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 7: and uh and and creating policies to fight the radicalization

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Speaker 7: of white men.

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Speaker 3: Identity politics.

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01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: Okay, all they got divide the people, divide and rule you.

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Speaker 3: So many white people hate you. They're calling jihartists. No,

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Speaker 3: they're not calling us the artists. They're calling the radical

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01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 3: elements within our community the artists. And there's a statistical

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Speaker 3: factor it.

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Speaker 2: And you actually risked your life to work against those

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Speaker 2: radical alims because you're.

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Speaker 3: Not calling us so many community JI artists. Of course,

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Speaker 3: they are big gotten races on the other side who

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01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 3: like to paint the entire community as the artists. Or

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Speaker 3: as foreigners, and now the current trending topic is deport

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01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 3: them all. We are Americans. We aren't going nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Men.

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Speaker 3: We like it here.

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Speaker 2: I like having you. It's nice to you, like to.

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Speaker 3: Hear man and come and get us. You know what

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Speaker 3: I mean if you're turning your point plank, because at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, we are normals and pastoralists

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01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 3: will keep it moving. If Trump wants us deported, which

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Speaker 3: he doesn't want because he likes us voting for him.

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01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 3: Republicans like us voting for them.

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Speaker 2: If they wake up here in this state. The hierarchy

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Speaker 2: of the state party is ignoring. From what I'm hearing

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01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 2: you say, two to one in this community voted for Trump,

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01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: yet the party itself gave no money other than a

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01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 2: few elected officials who you named and a few MAGA activists.

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01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 2: It is maga coming to us regularly. Establishment Republicans no way.

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Speaker 2: They put us at ten feet.

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01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 3: They want to take pictures with us, but our issues

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01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 3: is never on the table. And because our issues are

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01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 3: not on the table, we look at them and the

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Speaker 3: people we are representing and are stupid. They know that

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Speaker 3: what we've taken took us live in and they're practically

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Speaker 3: in the living room.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me get in free rein to just finish

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Speaker 2: the podcast as a preludic welcoming you back, if you'll come.

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Speaker 2: What are the issues of the community, What are the

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Speaker 2: most important issues?

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Speaker 3: Number one, we want to opt out of this work ideology.

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Speaker 2: Now you want to opt out of the walk. You

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01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 2: don't want your schools, you don't want your children. You

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01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: want school choice. You want school choice.

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Speaker 3: We want to run our own schools. Bring it back

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Speaker 3: to local community. We want our taxes to be used

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Speaker 3: by us, the money to come back locally to the

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01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 3: state of Minnesota at the county level. We want to

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01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 3: open up our own schools. Not only us, the African American,

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01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,440
Speaker 3: the Hispanic American, and the Native American and the Asian Americans.

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01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 3: All of us are coalitions. My Republican people of Color

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01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 3: is a coalition across the board. I'm not here as

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01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 3: a Somali, I'm here as an American.

1507
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Okay, So no one is the education.

1508
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 3: We gotta take back the education because these people are

1509
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,959
Speaker 3: educated here in Omar Omar Fata educated they think socialism

1510
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 3: or communism is cool. Something went wrong with the people

1511
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 3: an educational system and guess what even if you blame

1512
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: the somatic community bringing them out to get them elected.

1513
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 3: We make up only five percent of the electorate. Who's

1514
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: the other ninety five percent voting for them? They came

1515
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: through the same educational system. Okay, so you want to

1516
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,919
Speaker 3: change those are as a white liberal women, college educated

1517
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 3: white men, some minorities. But more importantly, this guy, this

1518
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 3: guy should take This guy is like the professor podcast

1519
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 3: Central because another one of our themes is our elite

1520
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:46,799
Speaker 3: universities and our educational system sucks and needs to be changed.

1521
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 3: And what your theory is, We don't want to change.

1522
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 3: You don't want to change it.

1523
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 2: You just you can keep your system. We just want

1524
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 2: to keep ours. We want we want, we want to divorce,

1525
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 2: yet you keep yours.

1526
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 3: Welcome, We want to.

1527
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 2: We want to divorce.

1528
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 3: Okay, we want school you know, stopping school choice. Team moulds.

1529
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 3: So we need a new government Minnesota. Randy Coils is running,

1530
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 3: Parish is running, Kendrick is running. So is a bunch

1531
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 3: of good people running. You know, Scott Scott Scott is running,

1532
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 3: Scott Jensen is running again. Let the marbles sort themselves out.

1533
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 3: Our issues we want to put on the table is.

1534
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 2: School choice what's number two. Number two is we're done

1535
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: with the handout programs. They don't help our community. You

1536
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 2: don't want we don't want handouts.

1537
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 3: We want to hand up.

1538
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 2: Okay, So number one, we want.

1539
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 3: More business, We want more access to resources. Less than

1540
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 3: seven percent of the money floating in these states belongs

1541
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 3: to people of color. We are at the bottom of

1542
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 3: the index. You don't want housing, you know, we are

1543
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 3: at the bottom of index in healthcare. And you know

1544
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 3: why not because we know trying with hand out programs

1545
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 3: they failed, They have failed.

1546
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: You're looking at the result in work. Could have been

1547
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: a good idea failed time for something. There exclaime a

1548
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: concept of why we are Republicans. We are big minds,

1549
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 2: small hearts. They are big hearts, small minds.

1550
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that. Let me explain that to you again.

1551
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 3: They are big hearts. They want to do everything for everybody,

1552
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 3: provide everything for everybody. Because there's a need. You have

1553
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 3: to be pride not to see it. There's a need.

1554
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 3: Housing issues, healthcare issues. The parties garrow in America. We

1555
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 3: found these problems here. We didn't create it as Somalists,

1556
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 3: but people of color didn't created and the white folks

1557
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 3: didn't created it just happened to be.

1558
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 2: The way way fout natural it was. We inherited it.

1559
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 2: Now we can either fix it or maintain it. And

1560
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 2: it's not working.

1561
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:56,520
Speaker 3: So with this big heart Democrats, socialist, progressives and communists,

1562
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 3: they say we'll do it all. The government, it will

1563
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 3: do it all.

1564
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 2: Failure.

1565
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 3: Reagum taught us the most dangerous thing in the English

1566
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 3: world is what you know the court.

1567
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm from the government. I'm here to help you.

1568
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 3: You've seen the government help doesn't work. We're poorer.

1569
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 2: You don't want to hand out, you want to hand up.

1570
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 2: We are poorer period. Okay, So you want to do

1571
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 2: your own education.

1572
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 3: We want to do own education. We want educate our kids.

1573
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 3: You want to have revolution is coming and we want

1574
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 3: to teach science, technology, engineering.

1575
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 2: Much keep that walk stuff out of the way. You

1576
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:36,440
Speaker 2: want to take a business approach to elevating the community.

1577
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 2: We want to get the contracts. We want coporate America.

1578
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: Not to talk about it, but be about it. We

1579
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 2: want not distribution of wealth, we want to earn it.

1580
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 2: We want to earn your business. But you got to

1581
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 2: open up the doors and not through hand out problems.

1582
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 2: We want to hand up one more issue. The third issue?

1583
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 2: Is there a third one?

1584
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 3: The third issue is crime.

1585
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,480
Speaker 2: Boy, this guy sounds Republican to the bone.

1586
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 3: To the bone, it affects our livability issue. You defunded

1587
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:15,719
Speaker 3: the police. You progressive socialists and Democrats, not the Democrats.

1588
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 3: I love democrats. They're common sense people. The progressive socialists

1589
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 3: and the communist wing and the Mamdani people. They're all

1590
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 3: about socialism. It's about state, centralized control, more government.

1591
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 2: A way to make money for a small group of people.

1592
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: Pretty much, right, Look, man, play the play the Mumbdana video.

1593
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 4: My platform is that every single person should have housed.

1594
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 4: And I think, faced with these two options, the system,

1595
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 4: the system has hundreds of thousands of people unhoused right

1596
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 4: for for what? And if if there was any system

1597
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 4: that could guarantee each person housing, whether you called the

1598
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 4: abolition of private property or you call it, you know,

1599
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 4: just a state wide housing guarantee, it is preferable to

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01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 4: what is going on right now. And I think that

1601
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 4: people try and play like gotcha games about these kinds

1602
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,719
Speaker 4: of things, and it's like, look, I care more about

1603
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 4: whether somebody has a home.

1604
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 2: What a heart, big heart, big heart?

1605
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 3: Small minds?

1606
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 2: You know we have a saying, did you hear this one?

1607
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 2: If you're not a liberal when you're young, you don't

1608
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 2: have a heart. But if you're not a conservative when

1609
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 2: you're older, you don't have a brain. Same idea, same idea.

1610
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 3: Now we are small hearted people. We see, yes, the

1611
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 3: hedge funds are buying up all the houses, and the

1612
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 3: Chinese is even spending fourteen billion dollars buying houses. They

1613
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 3: are basically kicking out the millennials from the housing market

1614
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 3: and they can't start families. We know that. Anybody knows

1615
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 3: that who looks at the housing market, they're edging out,

1616
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 3: buying out, and there tying to get into rentals. Mortgage

1617
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 3: is half the price of a rent now in America,

1618
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 3: minimum wage in America anywhere, I don't care what state

1619
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 3: you live in. If you work forty hours, you cannot

1620
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 3: follo a two bedroom apartment anyway. In America, there's a problem,

1621
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 3: and this problem, if you look at it is people

1622
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 3: of color who are the bottom fill up the indexes.

1623
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 3: Are not only people of color, working class white people.

1624
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 3: We're all in the same boat. It ain't about color

1625
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:31,759
Speaker 3: no more so. It's schooling. Education is the fundamental pillar

1626
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 3: to change this. Yes, no more handouts doesn't work. No,

1627
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 3: we need some handouts. Hands out there very young and

1628
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 3: the very old in between them, we say, and Donald

1629
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 3: Reagan say, the best social program is aver.

1630
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 2: Go ahead, a job there, you go fantastic, We'll get

1631
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 2: a job. And the final thing with yourself, by your

1632
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 2: flip flops or your boots or whatever you're wearing, even

1633
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 2: if your barefoot work, do something work. And the final

1634
01:34:58,160 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 2: one is the housing issue.

1635
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 3: Using issue, Let's talk about the housing issue.

1636
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 2: Which is crime.

1637
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 3: If I give you a public housing. Basically, what this

1638
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 3: brother is saying is is a big heart. He's saying,

1639
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna build projects and we're gonna start selling them.

1640
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 3: Are housing people, nothing bad with it, but we people

1641
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 3: of color living projects. We call them ghttos. The Spanish

1642
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 3: call them barrios, the Asians call him Chinatown. Did Jews

1643
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 3: call them status?

1644
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,879
Speaker 2: White folks call him telebus. You know what I'm saying.

1645
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,759
Speaker 2: That's the vision he was for us. No most a bubbles.

1646
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 2: Some of us can escape it. No more, everything will

1647
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 2: be ghetarized. We don't want projects across America. We've seen that.

1648
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 3: We want to be like the Jefferson's moving on you

1649
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1650
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 2: There's four issues we go. We got we got school schooling.

1651
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 2: Number one, think about housing.

1652
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 3: You spend a family with young kids eighteen to ten

1653
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 3: years because that kid gotta till eighteen before they get

1654
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 3: off the system and they kicked out.

1655
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 2: Yes, that amount of money can be used to buy

1656
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 2: somebody a house as a down payment. Basically the purpose

1657
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 2: the money. And guess what, a homeowner has a stake

1658
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,879
Speaker 2: in the game, and they become taxpayers, not tax dependent.

1659
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: All they gotta do is maintain their rent. So what

1660
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 2: do you think they will do. They're going to work,

1661
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: and then what do you think they're going to do

1662
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 2: about the neighborhood. They're going to want it to be

1663
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: as safe and as clean as.

1664
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 3: Pass because they're going to live there, committed for how

1665
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:37,600
Speaker 3: many years.

1666
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:38,679
Speaker 2: For the rest of their lives.

1667
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 3: And you know what, who is the best person who's

1668
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 3: an ally of the police department when there's riff RAFs

1669
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 3: outside their neighborhood?

1670
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 2: A homeowner?

1671
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1672
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 2: Back the brew Okay, now, Muhammed, I gotta wind it

1673
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 2: up here because it''s time to stop today. But I

1674
01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 2: want to invite you back because you're full roaded endorsement

1675
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: of Republican values. I want everybody in the party that's

1676
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 2: watching this to get this under your belt. Watch the

1677
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 2: podcast two times. Look at these allies that we have

1678
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:18,799
Speaker 2: that quite frankly, were none, and that's got to stop.

1679
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 2: We need winning network. Invite us. I'm good for the talk.

1680
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 3: They're fantastic. I've been having a great time listening to you.

1681
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: Many great. We need volunteers, ideas and money. We need

1682
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 2: or lose, just keep losing the money. Somebody get this

1683
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 2: to alex Plekish. Let's get organized. In CD five and

1684
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 2: CD four. We got the people. I bit, you've got

1685
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 2: the volunteers, you got the ideas. You need more volunteers

1686
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 2: and money, and let's get into the city and make

1687
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 2: something happen. Is that what we're working on here.

1688
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 3: Not only this city, Nationally, We're going to New York.

1689
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 3: Socialist is running. Come on, man, pictures must come out.

1690
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 2: Bahamas, capitalist mach It's well warrior traders, capitalists.

1691
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 3: We want peace, some form of trade and partnership. We

1692
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 3: are peace through strength on the peace side.

1693
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 2: Salamico, solemnly, salam thank you, thank you for coming in.

1694
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, very nice to meet you. It's great. You're

1695
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 2: welcome back here. I'm going to invite you back soon.

1696
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 2: All history next time. Just want to talk African history.

1697
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 2: So I'm going to study before you come back, so

1698
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm a better partner in the conversation. Tanner, thanks so

1699
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 2: much for coming in this morning. Of course, it's great everyone.

1700
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 2: Thank you. We'll see you again, God willing on Thursday night.

1701
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 2: God bless you.

1702
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, sir, God bless the USA.

1703
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1704
01:38:52,200 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 3: Have a good night, everybody.