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Speaker 1: back man season two of All the Smoke. We got
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Speaker 1: of All the Smoke, our first recorded episode of one.
Speaker 1: We got a good one for you today. We got
Speaker 1: Deer and Fox and his agent Chris guest and appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys. Man, thanks for your time. Yes, supposed to
Speaker 1: do this. We're supposed to do this a while ago. Yeah, so, dear,
Speaker 1: and let's just get right to your richest funk now.
Speaker 1: Congratulations a five years, a hundred and sixty three million
Speaker 1: dollar extension. Man, congratulations on that. Um that happened fast.
Speaker 1: I mean you're what the third year, this yr, third year,
Speaker 1: and fourth year, fourth year? It's my fourth man, So
Speaker 1: congratulations man, How how how is that own, although we're
Speaker 1: in a pandemic, kind of changed your life? I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of people hitting you up and
Speaker 1: congratulating and asking for ship, like, how is your life
Speaker 1: changed since you signed to you know, man, enough money
Speaker 1: to take care of your family for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. Actually, nah, I mean since I've been in
Speaker 1: the NBA, man, it's kind of been it's been easy.
Speaker 1: It's really been easy. Like you know, you hear the
Speaker 1: stories about people always having people out of get your number,
Speaker 1: hit you up, ask for your stuff. But I never
Speaker 1: really had that problem. It's crazy as it sounds. I've
Speaker 1: never really had that problems. You know, California taking half
Speaker 1: of that ship. So that's what people don't understand. Like
Speaker 1: right from the jump, whatever number you see, slice that
Speaker 1: right down the middle and then they're still in California.
Speaker 1: You're slicing more than half of that for real, understand
Speaker 1: So Chris as someone who's trained him and now you're
Speaker 1: his agent, I mean, there's got to be rewarding for
Speaker 1: you as well, for you know, for to to see
Speaker 1: you know, a good friend of yours, a client, a brother,
Speaker 1: signed a max contract only in this fortune. Man, it's
Speaker 1: a great feeling. But be honest, was almost like a
Speaker 1: side relief man because everything that could have happened last year,
Speaker 1: happy man. I mean, at the beginning of the year
Speaker 1: he got hurt, were stretching over that. Then you know,
Speaker 1: then Corona hit. So we're like, man, the season gonna
Speaker 1: get complete in the bubble happened, then Bloody div I
Speaker 1: got fired to dude I've been talking to for the
Speaker 1: past two years, something like, Man, this is crazy. We
Speaker 1: had we had June circle on our calendar if I
Speaker 1: don't know how long, when it seemed like the day
Speaker 1: just kept getting pushed back further and further, further and back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So man, when it happened, we was like, Man, we celebrated. Man,
Speaker 1: we celebrated. It was you know, I got on my
Speaker 1: knees and thank God, and we celebrated absolutely. Darren, you
Speaker 1: also just uh proposed to your now fiance in September,
Speaker 1: so engaged. Man, uh father new contract. Life is good.
Speaker 1: It looks like outside of obviously the pandemic being crazy,
Speaker 1: but personally, how has everything been? Pandemic? Family? How have
Speaker 1: you been able to manage everything? Hold on, Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Chris Matt he good because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. He he tell you, he tell But
Speaker 1: I saw him at Turkey Ladhood. I seen him and
Speaker 1: wiping the big chuck pulling up going to Turkey lad
Speaker 1: cut over Thanksgiving over Thanksgiving, Howiday's mat So I just
Speaker 1: saw him. He doing real good for a lot of
Speaker 1: people and for the world. Was a lot of blessings
Speaker 1: for me. So Ship, I just I just keep calling
Speaker 1: my blessings. I wasn't hurting you said. I got engaged,
Speaker 1: I signed a contract. I played well in the bubble.
Speaker 1: We got to play in the bubble. Ship, That's a
Speaker 1: blessing in itself. Was great for me and my family absolutely.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the bubble, what was that situation like going
Speaker 1: out there, having to be away from your family. Um,
Speaker 1: obviously safety first and foremost, basketball next, and then also
Speaker 1: carrying on a social justice message which I know you're
Speaker 1: prominent with because you were out of March that my
Speaker 1: brother Dian Taylor throwing Sacramento. You and your your fiance
Speaker 1: now and I think you when your your your youngest, Um,
Speaker 1: how was it from a player's standpoint, hoping but then
Speaker 1: also having to do so much other stuff while you're
Speaker 1: isolated from the world. It's crazy, it is It was crazy. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys have been doing stuff
Speaker 1: in their communities for forever now as far as professional
Speaker 1: athletes go. But being able to do something like that
Speaker 1: that that really touched close because I'm pretty sure all
Speaker 1: of us, all of us black men, have had some
Speaker 1: type of running with with police before, rather as we
Speaker 1: try to avoid it. You didn't do much fucking speeding.
Speaker 1: You need to have a traffic tickets something. So just
Speaker 1: being able to do that was definitely a blessing. And um,
Speaker 1: I mean the stuff that's going to continue to happen.
Speaker 1: I mean I helped my community before. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: outside of uh, you know, social justice, but this is
Speaker 1: stuff that I think obviously we like to when it.
Speaker 1: We rather wish we didn't have to do it, but
Speaker 1: we know that, you know, it's something that kind of
Speaker 1: comes with it. So for us just to be able
Speaker 1: to be in position to do that stuff, man, it's
Speaker 1: it's a blessing. Um, this is stuff that I kind
Speaker 1: of like to not necessarily with that instance, they have
Speaker 1: fun with it, but you know, we enjoy kind of
Speaker 1: being out there and being able to help our community
Speaker 1: and people that look like us. So for me, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's cool just being able to do that type
Speaker 1: of stuff. Absolutely. Um, what was it like to actually
Speaker 1: play in the bubble? You went out there, you know,
Speaker 1: you had an injury early on you went out there,
Speaker 1: you were able to play, you played well, and this
Speaker 1: is like the new norm now you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of have to be isolated. There's no fans. You know,
Speaker 1: they did what they could do in the bubble. Now you're,
Speaker 1: you know, back to reality with no fans. What has
Speaker 1: actually playing been like during this pandemic for you personally?
Speaker 1: The bubble man, the bubble is totally different from what
Speaker 1: we're doing now. You know, you were planning a and
Speaker 1: it's it kind of felt like a theater, super dark
Speaker 1: outside of the board. Um, but they did a real
Speaker 1: good job with the ecstatics in the bubble, like that's
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But that experience was terrible. I never
Speaker 1: want to play. I never want to have to do
Speaker 1: anything like that again. But I'm glad I could tell
Speaker 1: my kids and my grandkids that, you know, I was
Speaker 1: able to play in the bubble. But I much rather
Speaker 1: never have to do that again. But now, I mean
Speaker 1: it feels a little bit normal. Hell was just in Houston,
Speaker 1: so you know Texas said it's like Corona don't exist,
Speaker 1: Uh there in Atlanta. They're in Atlanta. You can't tell them,
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's nothing like nothing like you said like Stax said,
Speaker 1: Stack said, he saw us pull up the Turkey Legs ship,
Speaker 1: you would have thought it was normal. Was hell in
Speaker 1: Houston right now? But not hey, but just playing, man.
Speaker 1: So we played in Houston. They got a couple of
Speaker 1: fans they have I think that might like four thousand fans.
Speaker 1: So that was the most normal that that it felt.
Speaker 1: But like Dames said, I mean, you're gonna see teams
Speaker 1: getting blown out, getting their heads beat in by teams
Speaker 1: that they probably shouldn't And it's different. Man. You gotta
Speaker 1: be able to play and no fans. It's no energy.
Speaker 1: You gotta create your own energy. It's basically like you
Speaker 1: used to play that back gym at eight o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning. You gotta come ready to play. Nobody can
Speaker 1: Nobody can help you. Yeah, for real, for real. So Chris,
Speaker 1: your your journey, let's talk about your story. Um, obviously
Speaker 1: started as a trainer, worked up with Jack a little bit.
Speaker 1: What was your journey from training people to actually transitioning
Speaker 1: into a sports agent now? Man, it was a crazy journey. Man.
Speaker 1: That's why I really wanted to come on this show, man,
Speaker 1: because Jack was, whether you know it or not, was
Speaker 1: a was a big part of my journey man. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, he was one of the first pros
Speaker 1: NBA players that believed in me. Man. And I still
Speaker 1: remember the first time I worked out Jack Man. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a real big study here. I'm breakdown film, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, we're in the hood. We're in my hood.
Speaker 1: And Hern Clark, Houston, Texas. He came to Brentwood Church.
Speaker 1: He walked in, he got to pick in his mouth.
Speaker 1: You know, they got two kids of his mouth. Lucky,
Speaker 1: lucky it wasn't a blood. Yeah, two pick in his mouth, shoes,
Speaker 1: his shoes on laced. I'm like, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: start right here. We're gonna get stretched one. He like,
Speaker 1: He's like, no, like what we're doing? Bro, Like, well,
Speaker 1: let's get right to it, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: And so working with a dude like that, you ain't
Speaker 1: got time to be stuttering and stop. You gotta know
Speaker 1: what you're doing because you know what to dude, he's
Speaker 1: a pro, And so he pushed me. Man. You know
Speaker 1: just uh, like I said, Jack, that dude he just
Speaker 1: gave out his heart. Man. Uh. He was a big
Speaker 1: part of my journey at one time, and He's probably stories.
Speaker 1: He don't remember. He had a camp at that you
Speaker 1: still got the gym down there, statility. I just I
Speaker 1: just saw it. But I know Steven Jackson academy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just so he had a camp down there. He like,
Speaker 1: yas you just come run this camp. Man, about a
Speaker 1: hundred kids running around. Man with two coke. Man, we
Speaker 1: pulled up. I had the price for the three hundred Man.
Speaker 1: I was so broke. Man. The window was bust out.
Speaker 1: I had a trash bag and started and started at
Speaker 1: it started ranging. Jack was like, nah, bro we gotta
Speaker 1: get your window fixed. He called somebody. They pulled up
Speaker 1: to the gym and got That's how I broke. I was,
Speaker 1: But he gave me an opportunity and never since then.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's being you know all when I was,
Speaker 1: when I was on Christie un was the well off,
Speaker 1: the dope that was a dope boy car. You know,
Speaker 1: I got pulled over plenty of times. Right in the crisis.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I ain't got no money, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So what was your transition from working guys
Speaker 1: out to actually having an opportunity to represent people in
Speaker 1: this space now? Well as I grew in the business,
Speaker 1: I started seeing like, man, you know, I know a
Speaker 1: lot about this off the court and you know, working out,
Speaker 1: it's only trainer's only hour off the day. You know,
Speaker 1: we be with Jack in San Antonio. We might train
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. The rest of the day we're kicking it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I'm realized like, man, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of older white men who don't
Speaker 1: care about these kids, who just kind of looking at
Speaker 1: these kids as you know, it's a it's a p
Speaker 1: to meet or just a business I'm like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: actually with these guys seven, you know. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I want to get on the business side.
Speaker 1: So I kind of started as a consultant manager. As
Speaker 1: we got deeper in the business, we're just dealing with
Speaker 1: a dude that was just bad news. Man. Happy Walters
Speaker 1: was like, this is like, man, we can do this
Speaker 1: thing on the own. Yeah, Like, we can do this
Speaker 1: thing on the man and figure out. Hey. What I
Speaker 1: recognized about Chris though, what I recognized by them, what
Speaker 1: drew me to him was before I met him, I
Speaker 1: just seen you know, I always tell you, I always
Speaker 1: tell you man, I speak three languages Spanish, English and
Speaker 1: body language. And I can tell he cared about what
Speaker 1: he was doing, you know what I mean? And you
Speaker 1: know what, you know it was Matt. Anytime we can
Speaker 1: help somebody, to pull somebody up, especially somebody who you
Speaker 1: know that's trying to help themselves, it was it was
Speaker 1: easy for me to get with him and then working
Speaker 1: out with him. I wasn't even thinking that I'm doing
Speaker 1: something for him. I'm just trying to get better because
Speaker 1: I see he really cared to people that care about something.
Speaker 1: Good things come out about the soul. So I had
Speaker 1: the same love back, but the man. And I'm just
Speaker 1: happy to see real budges like like d A and
Speaker 1: uh at him come together. You know what I'm said,
Speaker 1: to build what they built. You know I'm saying a
Speaker 1: lot of times, especially young sinces black men, we go
Speaker 1: the other way because we think the other way is right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But it's good to see
Speaker 1: them build something to get to the way they at now,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I love to see it
Speaker 1: absolutely man And yeah, Math, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can see the logo, if you recognize the local people
Speaker 1: can't see it but it's actually a fist. Family first,
Speaker 1: So it's a fist, you know for empowerment. You know,
Speaker 1: it's an if one, but it's a fist as well.
Speaker 1: So we all were big about empowering, empowering each other,
Speaker 1: man like changing the way the industry looks, you know, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I think more than ever before it was kind
Speaker 1: of just you were in a situation that had to
Speaker 1: be Now we're able to create our own situations. I
Speaker 1: think Lebron has been a perfect example not only of
Speaker 1: greatness on the court, but the ability to open doors
Speaker 1: for people. He Fox with you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you put them in position, and like Jack said, without
Speaker 1: me really knowing you, Chris, the fact that you're trying
Speaker 1: to get it on your own and not didn't just
Speaker 1: have your hand out. I know as a man, I'm
Speaker 1: always trying to help those kind of but they are
Speaker 1: really trying to get it, not just saying Yo, can
Speaker 1: I get this? Can I get that? But I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get it on my own. So definitely respect for that.
Speaker 1: I'm one of them, Matt, I'm one of the niggers.
Speaker 1: You hip, Yeah, appreciate that, bro. You you know, you
Speaker 1: might you might you uh we'll keep it. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: save that joke anyway. Man, at the first time the
Speaker 1: joke back, Hey, uh dear, And quick turnaround from the
Speaker 1: bubble to the season. Now, you guys started right before Christmas,
Speaker 1: seventy two games season high expectations for you guys. Now,
Speaker 1: you guys got a young, talented team. But you can
Speaker 1: only say young for so long. You guys are expected
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. Now, so what kind of pressure
Speaker 1: has that put on you as the leader of your team? Oh?
Speaker 1: For us? Man, this at least for me, I can
Speaker 1: only speak for myself, it's not a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, I know
Speaker 1: we're talented. We can go out there and play the
Speaker 1: way we're supposed to play and we can win basketball games.
Speaker 1: And I don't think what that comes pressure. So I
Speaker 1: think we shot people the first couple, first couple of
Speaker 1: games this year, but we kind of hit that. We
Speaker 1: hit a rock. Uh. But like I said, man, it's basketball,
Speaker 1: you gotta turn it around. You could you could end
Speaker 1: up losing five games in a row, or you can
Speaker 1: lose two and then win five in a row. And
Speaker 1: it's all about just mentality. Man, It's You know, both
Speaker 1: of y'all have been on the on the on the
Speaker 1: on the right side of winning, and you you know
Speaker 1: how it can be if every if something goes wrong,
Speaker 1: that ship could be a snowball effect. You probably seen
Speaker 1: teams lose ten games in a row. So we just
Speaker 1: can't let that happen. You're going in your fourth year.
Speaker 1: Who are some of the you guys really have a
Speaker 1: veteran driven team of some of the older voices of reason,
Speaker 1: um in your guys locker room outside of yourself right now,
Speaker 1: guys guys like Glenn Robinson, Harrison Barnes. You know these
Speaker 1: guys have been there. Um. You know, Harrison has a championship,
Speaker 1: has been to a few finals. Court Joseph has been
Speaker 1: to a few finals, has a championship too. So they've
Speaker 1: they've been through it, They've they've done all that. I'll
Speaker 1: make fun of core Ap think Court, it's twenty nine
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to him like he owed because he
Speaker 1: was he was in San Antonio. He was in San
Speaker 1: Antonio when he won and then when they lost to Miami.
Speaker 1: So I can I can always ask those guys questions, man,
Speaker 1: all the time. You know I got obviously I got
Speaker 1: their number, UM see him every day and they're always open.
Speaker 1: They're always open to it. So I mean, they're closer
Speaker 1: to my age and than I really think. But they've
Speaker 1: been in the league for ten years already. But yeah,
Speaker 1: super Man, it's crazy. It's crazy how much guys really
Speaker 1: want to help you in this league. What has travel
Speaker 1: been like for you? You guys have kind of set
Speaker 1: up a new schedule where you're playing, you know, the
Speaker 1: same team, maybe back to back, or you'll stay in
Speaker 1: one area and and do a couple of games. What
Speaker 1: is that? You know? That was one of the things
Speaker 1: for me towards the end of my career that I hated,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're always on the road, and I
Speaker 1: just didn't like that ship. What has travel been like
Speaker 1: for you guys now that obviously the pandemic is hit
Speaker 1: and that's probably the worst part of how we're doing
Speaker 1: it right now, you know, seeing the same seeing the
Speaker 1: same team in the back to back or hell now
Speaker 1: in fucking Denver, you couldn't eat inside of buildings like
Speaker 1: you got on the plane. You couldn't go inside of
Speaker 1: the plane because of the COVID stuff. And it's y'all
Speaker 1: couldn't eat on the plane either, No, bro like, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, some stages times more strict than others, worse.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, motherfuck, I just practice with him, but I
Speaker 1: can't eat next to him right now. So we're not
Speaker 1: gonna get that. We're not gonna get into that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's I wouldn't say it's a ship show. You know,
Speaker 1: the NBA is doing what they can with it. But
Speaker 1: that's probably that's the most difficult part about the traveling
Speaker 1: and everything this year. That's crazy. Um question. This is
Speaker 1: something that you know, Jack and I were big on
Speaker 1: um during our career. You know, we we were known
Speaker 1: for guys that you know, we wouldn't flaunt it, but
Speaker 1: we we use candas um. The NBA is getting to
Speaker 1: the point now where they're not testing for it. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on cannabis and sports and and and athletes.
Speaker 1: You know, we all know, you know, some guys in
Speaker 1: all professional realms use it. What is the thought around
Speaker 1: the league now that they're starting to relax a little
Speaker 1: bit on the regulations. I mean, I don't think they
Speaker 1: even really care, you know what I mean, Like so
Speaker 1: many states, it's legal. Man. As we motherfucker's drink worse
Speaker 1: than that, I don't think none of times I te
Speaker 1: people really just don't care. And y'all know how the
Speaker 1: program in the league work, Man, do they really give
Speaker 1: a funk like? They really don't give a fun like
Speaker 1: at all. It's just either don't get caught or you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But a lot of people just
Speaker 1: use um. You know, you can use t a C
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff that it's actually healthy for you,
Speaker 1: it helps you. It's it won't come up on drugs
Speaker 1: tests because it's not it's not a drug. And I
Speaker 1: personally don't really care. You know, people don't smoke anyways
Speaker 1: at in this league. You ain't really getting suspended for
Speaker 1: smoking fucking weed. Yeah, well that's new. That's new because
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that was the one thing we
Speaker 1: pushed because you know, I've got in trouble. I think
Speaker 1: did we actually get in trouble together our first time
Speaker 1: in jack in Golden State and oh seven? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you had me drinking that that the liquid ship and
Speaker 1: had me thinking it was gonna give me the pass
Speaker 1: and I failed because you smoke all. I mean, the
Speaker 1: liquid could only do so much. You smoked the whole
Speaker 1: motherfucking pound thinking to drink is gonna plush your system.
Speaker 1: You can't blame that part on me. But no, this
Speaker 1: is you know, this is something you know, dearon for me.
Speaker 1: You know, we came Jack came to the league late nineties.
Speaker 1: I came in two thousand two. When when you first
Speaker 1: came to the league, it used to be just one
Speaker 1: preseason test and it wasn't talked about, it wasn't promoted.
Speaker 1: They didn't say, go smoke weed. They just didn't test
Speaker 1: for it. And then around oh five oh six they
Speaker 1: started four random tests, and to me, it was always
Speaker 1: sucked up because just like you said, you got guys drinking,
Speaker 1: you guys got got guys popping pills and doing other
Speaker 1: ship that that that is obviously detrimental to their health.
Speaker 1: But then they wanted to pendalize us for smoking a
Speaker 1: joint or smoking a blunt, and it always tripped me out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So since we both retired,
Speaker 1: then our brother Alt Harrington shout out, viola, that's kind
Speaker 1: of been our mission, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 1: let people know it's not so much about the getting
Speaker 1: high effect of it, it's the benefits of it. In
Speaker 1: the education of it, the understanding of it. They're really
Speaker 1: you know, you want your athletes to have the best advantage,
Speaker 1: And to me, cannabis was always there for me. So
Speaker 1: I dodged a lot of bullets quote unquote throughout my
Speaker 1: career because I knew that smoking was I wasn't someone
Speaker 1: who popped pills and I wasn't a big drinker, so
Speaker 1: smoking was it for me. Yeah, And you know, like
Speaker 1: CBD is huge, man, CBD is huge helping helping you
Speaker 1: for recovery and things like that. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: it's only positive that's come with it. I don't see
Speaker 1: a single negative in it. And you see the NFL
Speaker 1: ain't testing for it no more. Uh, the NBA isn't
Speaker 1: testing for it at all this year. They never tested
Speaker 1: for it during the summer, So I don't know why
Speaker 1: it mattered during the season. So I think I think
Speaker 1: sooner or later, man, all sports are gonna stop testing
Speaker 1: for weed. I don't there's never bro they I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you how what happened. They was cool on everybody
Speaker 1: smoking until players start being unprofessional, getting pulled over with
Speaker 1: it in the car, getting cardon hotels with it, doing
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so they had to start testing it
Speaker 1: because it was making the league look bad. It ain't buy.
Speaker 1: What you do is how you do it. And men
Speaker 1: men matter testaments that that we always did it the
Speaker 1: right way. We never glorified it, We never did it
Speaker 1: for people to see. It was always a recovery mechanism
Speaker 1: for us so we can play the next night because
Speaker 1: we always played harder in the next person. So a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand that. But I'm glad the
Speaker 1: world and all of our sports league see it now
Speaker 1: and any of you just cause just because you're doing
Speaker 1: it now that it's legal, I mean, they're, like Jack said,
Speaker 1: there's a way to do it. So if you're on
Speaker 1: the road, smoke and either smoke on your balcony, go
Speaker 1: on your bathroom yourself and have some candles. Make sure
Speaker 1: you even tip for the maids because they're coming in
Speaker 1: there and cleaning up. There's always been ways of doing it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And lucky you know, doncan Wood,
Speaker 1: Jack and I were never you know, in trouble for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I got find a couple
Speaker 1: of times and it was on the low. It was
Speaker 1: never a public thing. But like I said, we just
Speaker 1: moved a certain way with it, and and like Jack said,
Speaker 1: some guys were moving reckless with it. And anytime we're
Speaker 1: moving to anything, you know, should we high Now. I
Speaker 1: mean you sit in the media where, especially in the NFL,
Speaker 1: with guys that get suspended for now, everybody making fun
Speaker 1: of them smoking weed, like yeah, it's it's like, come
Speaker 1: on now, it ain't even it's really not serious. It's
Speaker 1: not that serious. Yeah. Absolutely, shout out to my mom.
Speaker 1: And she offen right now to shout out to my mama.
Speaker 1: She back on one now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Judy Jude, Yeah, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: So let's take it back to your roots. You know,
Speaker 1: came up in New Orleans with the high school in
Speaker 1: Texas we were was basketball always the goal? Did you
Speaker 1: play other sports? Talk us through growing up and finding
Speaker 1: your footing in basketball? So, man, I started with football.
Speaker 1: Football is my first sport. I can imagine a little
Speaker 1: atas back, he asked my I was nice, nice quarterback, QB, receiver, safety, corner, whatever, whatever, kickoff, return, pump,
Speaker 1: whatever you needed me to do, what takes it, he
Speaker 1: will do for the Saints. That's that's my day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's motherfucker could throw the ball up to itself, go
Speaker 1: catch that ball. I did all that, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: started with football. Then um we got some middle school
Speaker 1: and I started thinking, man, and I was already Houston
Speaker 1: at the time, so I'm like, man, it's hot as
Speaker 1: ship outside. Say you know in middle school. Second day
Speaker 1: of school is tryalf so I actually had my cleats
Speaker 1: and everything, like, yam, I'll still play like this one.
Speaker 1: This would be one of my last years. I go
Speaker 1: out there. Man, they were sorry as fuck, so I
Speaker 1: swear to you they were trash eight seventh grade. Eighth
Speaker 1: grade didn't win a game. So I'm like, yo, I'm
Speaker 1: not playing right. I'm gonna just stick to basketball and
Speaker 1: then ship from there. It's sky rocket hell Baylor. Baylor
Speaker 1: was in my gym, was in my middle school gym
Speaker 1: in eighth grade. So I'm like, maybe I picked the
Speaker 1: I picked the right sport. But I'll say the reason
Speaker 1: I really quit playing football because it was hot as hell.
Speaker 1: It was too hot in the gym. We control the temperature,
Speaker 1: and in football, say fun that coaches be football such
Speaker 1: a ross sport. Coaches becaussing you out for no reason.
Speaker 1: They talked just to hear themselves talk. I'm like, y'
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this because I'm gonna end up saying
Speaker 1: something back. And that was it was it for me
Speaker 1: in football. You gotta be from you gotta be from Texas,
Speaker 1: that that Gulf Coast area to know that heat he's
Speaker 1: talking about. You ain't talking about when you go outside.
Speaker 1: Oh y'all go with shorts today. No, this is the
Speaker 1: heat where you're taking two or three showers a day
Speaker 1: because every time you go outside, you damn did a
Speaker 1: car to heat stroke on car of heat stroke. I'm
Speaker 1: telling it's bad, hot bro that water coming out that
Speaker 1: he coming off that gulf is one of a kind, man.
Speaker 1: And you know what you needed back then, Jack was
Speaker 1: the Manskape package with the ball Towner in the ball
Speaker 1: white because you wouldn't do it. And then as soon
Speaker 1: as you got side again and you're gonna start sweating again,
Speaker 1: you might have to use the ball. Wife's under your
Speaker 1: arm and ship too, like you're gonna need that pretty
Speaker 1: boy miss more than anything. Cool yea, yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need that more than anything. It's just blowing
Speaker 1: that nasty ass heat right back on you. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't so highly decorated in high school. Uh as far
Speaker 1: as basketball accolades, playing in every game one m vps.
Speaker 1: When it comes down to recruiting, who were your final
Speaker 1: four or five teams? And you really gave consideration to
Speaker 1: going to school for so my last my final was Kentucky, Louisville, Kansas,
Speaker 1: l s U, Arizon. So funny thing I knew her,
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of times kids just
Speaker 1: waste time, you know, saying we want to take visits
Speaker 1: to visit these campuses, do all this ship. So I
Speaker 1: knew where I was going the whole time. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go, you know, spend the colleges money
Speaker 1: and it ain't on me and go have a good time.
Speaker 1: Take my parents say, whoever want to go on these
Speaker 1: official visits. But the whole time I knew I was
Speaker 1: going to Kentucky. So the whole month of October my
Speaker 1: senior year, I went, I went camp. I wanted to
Speaker 1: visit to h L s U. Kansas, went to US
Speaker 1: A little US A mini camp in October. Then I
Speaker 1: went to h Louisville, Kentucky, and I say, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: tired as fun like I'm tired all this traveling. This
Speaker 1: was weekend after weekend for five straight weekends. And then
Speaker 1: I had to go to Arizona and I canceled the visit.
Speaker 1: Already knew where I was going, so I canceled that
Speaker 1: and ended up committing to Kentucky and November. What was
Speaker 1: it about Kentucky that had your mind made up from
Speaker 1: the jump? Was it the one and done pipeline? Was
Speaker 1: that something you had told yourself you wanted to try
Speaker 1: to do? That was definitely the main reason. Second reason,
Speaker 1: that was actually the only place I uh, that was
Speaker 1: the place I knew I was gonna play. So Louisville
Speaker 1: had just got in trouble for the stripper ship. So
Speaker 1: my mom was like, you ain't going there? Uhay there.
Speaker 1: If you knew about some stripper ship, I would have
Speaker 1: signed that, man, I would have signed that day. Oh
Speaker 1: y'all got the program damn hooping. Yeah. So my mom's
Speaker 1: was like, you ain't going there? Uh tell you visit
Speaker 1: l s U. Because I wanted to go to Baton
Speaker 1: Rouge for a weekend. Um, I mean and in Kansas,
Speaker 1: you know, Bill self ain't playing old freshman over juniors
Speaker 1: and seniors because they had Davonte ram and uh and
Speaker 1: um Frank Mason at the time, who was about to
Speaker 1: be a senior. So I knew I wasn't gonna play there.
Speaker 1: So can tell you it was like Kentucky was the
Speaker 1: only real choice. I knew I was gonna play as
Speaker 1: hard as as crazy as that sounds. When you tell
Speaker 1: kids to go where you know you're gonna play, Kentucky
Speaker 1: was the place that I knew I was gonna start.
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna play. And that's that's what
Speaker 1: it was. Really. I took all the visits just to
Speaker 1: take them. Really kids do it. Although it was only
Speaker 1: one year, what was that Kentucky experience? I can playing
Speaker 1: for coach cow Man, it was great, y'all. Like I
Speaker 1: love Kyle. I still talked to col to this day. Um,
Speaker 1: and I mean he really just man. He lets you rock,
Speaker 1: he go. That's why he wants guards like John and
Speaker 1: myself and and be night. Um. You know Tyler Euless,
Speaker 1: the way that he coaches is it's it's like absolute freedom.
Speaker 1: We go out there, we He'll put exits and those back.
Speaker 1: End of the day, everything is gonna end up in
Speaker 1: a pick and roll or isolation. That's that's what the
Speaker 1: NBA is too. So you know, when he's able to
Speaker 1: get those guys, I mean, you find success. Kyle couldn't
Speaker 1: give a damn about you know, winning college basketball games.
Speaker 1: You know, if he if he's getting guys who he
Speaker 1: knows he could end up developing into the NBA players.
Speaker 1: You automatically gonna win thirty games a year just from
Speaker 1: that alone. So that's I mean, that's what I love.
Speaker 1: That's what I loved. He you came in, you earned everything.
Speaker 1: He made you work and ship. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I was a top five pick. Bam and
Speaker 1: Malik were a lot of your picks. And that's all
Speaker 1: you can ask. What we lost in the early eight
Speaker 1: Obviously we as mad as hell, but that wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: make me say it. Actually, so we lost by a
Speaker 1: buzzer beater. Cayle brings us in about twenty minutes after
Speaker 1: he said all y'all are gone, he brought he brought
Speaker 1: us all in there. He said, Yo, y'all are done.
Speaker 1: Y'all not coming back. If y'all need us, y'all got
Speaker 1: our numbers, will help you all with whatever, but y'all
Speaker 1: not playing another college basketball game that was you, bam
Speaker 1: and who else? Who was the third leg? Month? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, Cal, you ain't gotta tell me twice and
Speaker 1: I wasn't coming back anyways. So uh take it back
Speaker 1: real quick before you guys bounce, you guys SEC Tournament
Speaker 1: m v P. You obviously make a run to the
Speaker 1: Elite eight. You have a big matchup in the sweet
Speaker 1: sixteen against my alumni and Alonzo Ball who was you
Speaker 1: know it was you too at the time. As far
Speaker 1: as point guards go. You go out there and drop
Speaker 1: thirty nine? What was that? Oh my remember that game
Speaker 1: like yesterday? Man, man, oh my god, that was bad
Speaker 1: for that. It's um real quick though, because U c
Speaker 1: l A came into Kentucky earlier that right, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they beat us at home. We were number one. We're
Speaker 1: number one team in the country at the time. We
Speaker 1: were averaging the most points in the country at the time,
Speaker 1: and they came in and beat us. So and the
Speaker 1: fund up. Actually, the funked up thing about this too
Speaker 1: is yo, our role to get to the championship was
Speaker 1: so hard. You know, we played we played U c
Speaker 1: l A, who was the number three seed. They were
Speaker 1: top ten team at nont on a fucking uh on
Speaker 1: a Friday night. And then we come back and played
Speaker 1: North Carolina at like two o'clock on Sunday, who was
Speaker 1: the number one team in the country at the time,
Speaker 1: so our ship was our And then we had Wichita
Speaker 1: State in the second round, who I think they were
Speaker 1: like a thirteen seed, shouldn't have been a thirteen seed.
Speaker 1: And we won that game by like two or three.
Speaker 1: So our road was crazy and uh but yeah, now
Speaker 1: that game we just I mean I thought about them
Speaker 1: come into, you know, to our crib and beating us.
Speaker 1: That was the So that team and then North Carolina
Speaker 1: were the two teams we played twice in that year.
Speaker 1: And um, I mean just goes to show man, it's
Speaker 1: hard to be the team twice. It's really hard. But
Speaker 1: you you know, you was thinking, man, I've been I'm
Speaker 1: tired of hearing all this ball, this ball that man,
Speaker 1: listen this Mino Imano. Let me go and show up
Speaker 1: right now because this is gonna help me give to
Speaker 1: what I need to be. He wasn't thinking that. I mean,
Speaker 1: of course that was so for me though. That was
Speaker 1: the only NBA guard that I played that year. Really,
Speaker 1: so like Alonzo played Marquel Uh, Dennis was playing guys
Speaker 1: I can do. Uh, he was a a CC so
Speaker 1: playing Dukee and Ship. I didn't even play another NBA
Speaker 1: guard the whole year, so that was the only matchup
Speaker 1: that they could really, I guess base it off of.
Speaker 1: I guess if you go with U, you can say
Speaker 1: the Kansas game too, But I mean Alonso was the
Speaker 1: only starting point guard in the NBA that I played
Speaker 1: when I was in college. Yeah. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: big game. Everybody was watching that game. Yeah she was though. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So fast forward, Uh, you and BAM end up signing
Speaker 1: your extensions, same money, same time. What is it like
Speaker 1: getting it with one of your brothers, even though obviously
Speaker 1: you guys played for different teams, but going to school
Speaker 1: each for a year, coming out doing your thing, and
Speaker 1: then BAM max deals going into your fourth year. That's
Speaker 1: got to be special, man, to be real, all of us, Uh, Bam, Donovan, Jason.
Speaker 1: I've known Jason since, uh since I was in fourth grade.
Speaker 1: So for all of us to be able to do that, man,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Uh. First person to call me right after
Speaker 1: the news went out, Donovan Face Tommy. Then Um, Donovan,
Speaker 1: Jason and I we all have a group. We we
Speaker 1: had a group FaceTime, you know, everybody just kind of celebrating.
Speaker 1: You know, what's what's that check called richest fun? What's
Speaker 1: the what? What's that check out? I might change the name.
Speaker 1: I might need to change your name, that young money man.
Speaker 1: We got it, we got it, we got it. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's really crazy just just seeing us all kind of
Speaker 1: kind of come up through middle school, high school together
Speaker 1: and they'd be able to do that. Man, it's one.
Speaker 1: It's a blessing for us to all get drafted the
Speaker 1: same draft, all lottery picks. Then we all, you know,
Speaker 1: signed signed this max extension, which ain't easy, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. All it takes, it takes a lot
Speaker 1: to do that ship. We all know the work. They
Speaker 1: ain't done yet, but man, it's it was really a
Speaker 1: blessing for us. And we talked to each other a lot,
Speaker 1: very frequently. In man, I love them dudes, and I'm
Speaker 1: happy for them just as much as you know they're
Speaker 1: happy for me. So two thousand pick overall by the
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings. What was your draft night experience like? And
Speaker 1: did you think you were going somewhere else? No? So
Speaker 1: crazy thing is man, I kind of knew I was
Speaker 1: going file uh because the way it went, Philly was
Speaker 1: trading up to one to get killed. Uh, Alonzo was
Speaker 1: going to no matter what. UM. I knew Boston didn't
Speaker 1: need a point guard. They had actually at Kyrie at
Speaker 1: the time, so they took Jason. Actually canceled my workout
Speaker 1: in Phoenix because they had b night bled uh Tyler
Speaker 1: Uless at the time, they had three point guards. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why if I would go to Phoenix, So I cancel
Speaker 1: that workout and then uh Sack was there. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: you know what it would be like to turn around
Speaker 1: a franchise like that, That would be crazy. So I was.
Speaker 1: I was excited to go there. I didn't work out
Speaker 1: for Orlando, who was after that, or Chicago. Those are
Speaker 1: the worked out for three teams and Lakers, which I
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't worked out for that was really wasted tom
Speaker 1: uh Phoenix and then and then it sacked and you
Speaker 1: knew there was there, So I was, you know, up
Speaker 1: from the Bay Area and then moved to Sack at nine.
Speaker 1: Was always a huge Laker fan, but once I got
Speaker 1: there and and understood how passionate those fans are about
Speaker 1: their team because there ain't sh else out there. Like
Speaker 1: as you know now, there ain't much to do out there.
Speaker 1: Obviously in COVID there's nothing to do, but there's not
Speaker 1: much to do. But the one thing I will say
Speaker 1: is that fan base is special. And when you're a
Speaker 1: young player and leave it out out there on the court,
Speaker 1: they're gonna love you. So what has that been like?
Speaker 1: Obviously this year being different, but your first couple of
Speaker 1: years in the process of trying to turn the team around.
Speaker 1: But what was that fan base and how supportive if
Speaker 1: they bene view ship? My first year we were bad.
Speaker 1: We were real bad. And you know we're selling out
Speaker 1: just about every home game every night though it you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you anywhere you go, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have sack fans. You're on from Sacramento, man, I love
Speaker 1: the Kings. You know, everybody to bring up the obviously
Speaker 1: you know the Chris Webber and the Mike Bibbie days
Speaker 1: and you know, wishing to get back to that, and
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm trying to do. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to bring back to this city. And um,
Speaker 1: I mean you really just hear the passion in these
Speaker 1: in these guys man, it's it's it's like it's it's
Speaker 1: a different type of love for this team. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously I think our our soccer team just went MLS.
Speaker 1: But it's it's Kings, man, It's it's Kings fans all
Speaker 1: over and there there yet really die hard. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: So what's it like being only in your fourth theater
Speaker 1: but being somewhat of a vet now you know you've
Speaker 1: got a young player like Tyrese uh Hillaburton who's hurt
Speaker 1: right now, but having younger guys turned to you for
Speaker 1: advice when you're still a young guy. Hey, I'm be
Speaker 1: feeling oldest. I'm twenty three, I'll be feeling Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like i've been in the leaving come on,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, hey, but uh what was you
Speaker 1: doing there? Jack? Okay, I can't even do it. I
Speaker 1: can't do it, man, I've been this, I got models.
Speaker 1: This ain't even the episode to say what I was
Speaker 1: doing at twenty three. Then this ain't even it. I've been.
Speaker 1: I mean i've been. I've been in there for a while.
Speaker 1: And then Tyrese was born and I think two thousands
Speaker 1: and thousand one, like that really makes me feel That
Speaker 1: made me feel a little bit old with him today.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, you don't even remember the president before
Speaker 1: Obama like he was. That's how young you were. That's insane.
Speaker 1: What if your thoughts been on him so far though?
Speaker 1: Who could possibly be the steel of the draft? Man,
Speaker 1: six five wing, multidimensional, could shoot the ball. What have
Speaker 1: your thoughts been on him so far? Hey, he's been great. Man,
Speaker 1: It's you would have thought he's he's in his second
Speaker 1: or third year, the way that he'd be out there,
Speaker 1: that he's out there playing, and for them, for these
Speaker 1: rookies to not get any summer league, a short training camp,
Speaker 1: just come in, you got your team. You you found
Speaker 1: out who you was playing with a month before the
Speaker 1: season start. That's like, you know what I'm saying, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of adversity that you really gotta go that
Speaker 1: you really got to overcome. And Man, his first game
Speaker 1: in the league, he played in an overtime game in Denver,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's tough to play in Denver, and
Speaker 1: he was and he really he really showed that he's
Speaker 1: I mean that he's built for this and he really can. Man,
Speaker 1: he he just he understands the game so well, he
Speaker 1: runs pick and roll extremely well, he's he's a good shooter,
Speaker 1: like you said, he does, he does everything extremely well
Speaker 1: for us, and UM, I mean we're missing him right now. Um,
Speaker 1: now follow me with this because I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be messy, but I just want to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts. Obviously with recently the Marvin Bagley father situation
Speaker 1: and then and then and then your dad says something.
Speaker 1: But Yo, when I read your response to what had
Speaker 1: been said that, I really couldn't stop laughing at like
Speaker 1: three straight you just said Jesus Christ with the ex
Speaker 1: like what the fuck you? We're in a new age obviously,
Speaker 1: where you know, I commend any fathers that have their
Speaker 1: kids back, and I understand the whole thing, but not
Speaker 1: I don't think dad's because they're new to the social
Speaker 1: media game, understanding the power they have at the palm
Speaker 1: of their hands. So they're tweeting things that they may
Speaker 1: tell your mom or your family or not even your family,
Speaker 1: but other you know, Marcus, are Marvin's dad doing what
Speaker 1: he does? How does that? How do you guys keep
Speaker 1: that energy um out of the locker room and and
Speaker 1: keep you you guys on the same page because the
Speaker 1: parents think they're just speaking, but they're not realizing that
Speaker 1: what they're saying is going to go around the world
Speaker 1: and on every new station get all kinds of coverage. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I told I saw it. Fifteen minutes after the tweet
Speaker 1: went up. Response, he just said, Jesus Christ. Next, what
Speaker 1: the He's like, what the fun iscause y'all I started
Speaker 1: getting I'm getting tagged and ship. I'm like, Yo, what's
Speaker 1: going on? So I see you on Twitter FaceTime. I
Speaker 1: was actually on FaceTime with my fiance at the time,
Speaker 1: and uh, I see that ship. I'm like, Bro, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? I'm like, Yeah, now I'm about to be
Speaker 1: pulling in some ship that I didn't want to be involve. Man,
Speaker 1: you're not like, So I text my dad and then
Speaker 1: I text the group with my dad, mom, and brother
Speaker 1: and I'm like, y'all, like, I can't do this ship
Speaker 1: because regardless of regardless of anything y'all say, is not
Speaker 1: gonna ask y'all. They don't ask me about it. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're like, y'all gotta start thinking about me
Speaker 1: before y'all put anything on the internet exactly. And the
Speaker 1: thing is like I know my pops, you know Mississippi
Speaker 1: a Mississippi born and raised. The second he probably saw
Speaker 1: that tweet, he let me, let me tweet this ship.
Speaker 1: I know he did. He ain't thinking twice about it, right,
Speaker 1: But for your question, like with the locker room, we
Speaker 1: we said something about it, but like nobody's really worried
Speaker 1: about it. To be honest, his parents, it ain't nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody's thinking about that at all. Like and people think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to do like I'm just trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, say it to the media. But like I
Speaker 1: told my people, like yo, no one fucking tweets Somebody
Speaker 1: give a funk about that ship. Like nobody thinks we go.
Speaker 1: We we had a practice, we had a game. Nobody's
Speaker 1: thinking about that ship. Obviously we gotta ask what yesterday,
Speaker 1: But we just gotta ask what. You know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: fucking Kelly ain't made it. And I thought and me
Speaker 1: and Kelly played together. We played air You together, but
Speaker 1: Kelly A Kelly's was sucking one for forty and he
Speaker 1: hits four threes against us, you know, I mean it
Speaker 1: just it was their night and they played better than us.
Speaker 1: But as far as that tweet that the Twitter stuff
Speaker 1: goes man, nobody, nobody was worried about that. That's but
Speaker 1: if there's no room for none of that and the
Speaker 1: locker room though, yeah, there's there's no room for none
Speaker 1: of that. And then then again, Matt, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say this, should if Marvin and throw hands been
Speaker 1: up with with Dame Ship, ain't nobody been not throw hands?
Speaker 1: Everything better be cool in the locker room? Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's also you know, like a teaching moment, you know,
Speaker 1: for parents, you know what I mean. Well, he had
Speaker 1: to pull up on his mom, dad and brother, like
Speaker 1: you have to realize, you know, although you may feel
Speaker 1: this way, you know what I mean, it's me that
Speaker 1: you have to think about because your name won't be
Speaker 1: in the paper. They'll say, you know, obviously Dearran's dad,
Speaker 1: but it's dear and this in the spotlight, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's similar to criticism that that you know that
Speaker 1: the LaVar is taking because he's speaking on behalf of
Speaker 1: his sons, and his sons are like, yo, what the funk? Now?
Speaker 1: People are thinking this is me, but it's not me.
Speaker 1: And so it's like you said, it's a new age,
Speaker 1: and I think this is gonna become the new norm.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you guys were able to put the
Speaker 1: fire out because you know, you've got to be able
Speaker 1: to block the good and the bad out in that
Speaker 1: locker room. Only the motherfucker's I saw Luke won't and
Speaker 1: talk about I played with Luke, and I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: old school, so I know the deals. All the outside noise.
Speaker 1: This nick is crazy, it's crazy. But that that didn't
Speaker 1: even more, that didn't even by, that didn't even bagle
Speaker 1: him motor like here, laid back cat, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that ain't even him, Like that's the
Speaker 1: that's the little homie, Like he ain't even know you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, conversation a guy like that, You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I knew, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That it was all It was all gonna
Speaker 1: go away with just the fact that people on the outside,
Speaker 1: like y'all said they gotta pay attention and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: because it can't affect a locker room not knowing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and for us, man, if we if if we would
Speaker 1: have won, that game should have been over. Nobody would
Speaker 1: have talked about it, no more, most likely, but right
Speaker 1: we got blown out and everybody think the chemistry sucked
Speaker 1: up and now it's just a whole another thing that
Speaker 1: you gotta listen to. The only way to the only
Speaker 1: way to write that ship is to win. But what
Speaker 1: was it like catching uh steps on the motherfucking tear
Speaker 1: right now? People been talking crazy to him and your
Speaker 1: team was one of the teams that had to pay
Speaker 1: the consequences for it. Like playing, I mean you couldn't.
Speaker 1: You could be the fastest dude in the NBA from
Speaker 1: from in the end, but I played with Steph and
Speaker 1: playing against step his his they say he runs almost
Speaker 1: three miles of a game off just his movement alone.
Speaker 1: What was it like having to chase his little ass
Speaker 1: around and him drop thirty on you guys? Guarding him
Speaker 1: is like hell? Because like yo, because they don't even
Speaker 1: really I mean, they run a few plays, but if
Speaker 1: Steph don't have the ball, the person who got the
Speaker 1: ball looking for Steph, if Steph don't have the ball,
Speaker 1: and niggas who don't have the ball looking the screen
Speaker 1: for Steff, he don't stop ever. Ever, if he starts walking,
Speaker 1: you know he's about to take off. You know what,
Speaker 1: You're in trouble catching him right after sixty. Don't don't.
Speaker 1: Don't let that happen to us. But the clothes line
Speaker 1: this nig if he if he started, I step know
Speaker 1: how I feel. I was on the wards when Brandon
Speaker 1: Jennis game fifty five, so he know how I feel too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But that fifty five was different from what he'd be doing.
Speaker 1: Man was sick his movement always every game. He a
Speaker 1: threat to get every game, ye now more than ever
Speaker 1: because the rest of his weapons aren't really But I've
Speaker 1: seen one play that was funny, and I knew it
Speaker 1: was coming too, because you picked him up, maybe right
Speaker 1: at half court, and he threw the ball to Draymond
Speaker 1: on the blocking for one second you looked away and
Speaker 1: he cut back door and got you on the back
Speaker 1: door cut. And it just shows like he is always
Speaker 1: live on everything. And that's the hardest thing is the
Speaker 1: team that he has right now still doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to play with them. So you've got a chance to
Speaker 1: play with them. You know, when they won a championship
Speaker 1: in seventeen and you had to chase him around with
Speaker 1: other stars on the court, And like you said, when
Speaker 1: you're not one of those main three scores, Clay, Katie
Speaker 1: or Steph. You're looking to always screen for those guys
Speaker 1: no matter what, and if you have the ball, you're
Speaker 1: looking for them. Motherfucker. So to have to guard them
Speaker 1: as a nightmare, said I Man playing them two years
Speaker 1: ago when they had k and they had Katie. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's the worst feeling over. That was the worst ship
Speaker 1: ever because we uh so one of the years we
Speaker 1: lost to them because you know, we're playing four times,
Speaker 1: so we lost them four times by a total of ten.
Speaker 1: Going into them games, man, it was like, yeah, these
Speaker 1: things just want a championship, you know, like like you're
Speaker 1: getting obviously you're getting, you're playing, you're trying to play
Speaker 1: your best. If you play your best against that team,
Speaker 1: they still have to play bad for you to really
Speaker 1: win that game, real bad. And the way the dudes
Speaker 1: were in the clutch, obviously having having played Stephen Katie, man,
Speaker 1: it was we're playing great and it's impo. It was
Speaker 1: like it felt like it was impossible to beat them.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, especially trying to go a shot for shot
Speaker 1: with them because they had so many shot makers. As
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You gotta get steals and try
Speaker 1: to turn them over as a young player coming into
Speaker 1: the game, obviously everyone is a competitor now, But who
Speaker 1: were some of the older point guard you looked up
Speaker 1: to our possibly monitor your game after when you were
Speaker 1: first coming into the league. So when I first got
Speaker 1: the league, guys that I really wanted, just like Russ
Speaker 1: Kai uh CP. Obviously, you know, they all played the
Speaker 1: game extremely different from each other, but they all had
Speaker 1: different ways of really affecting the game. You know, Russ
Speaker 1: with the way he's coming at you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, He's gonna come at you a thousand miles
Speaker 1: per hour for forty minutes. Every second that he out there,
Speaker 1: he going hard. Um CP just the way he really
Speaker 1: manipulated the game. You know, he's he's a king of
Speaker 1: pick and roll, even at thirty five years old. And
Speaker 1: then Kai just the way that he could he can
Speaker 1: come at you with different ways with pull ups, puts,
Speaker 1: you drop, you get to the basket, the way he
Speaker 1: can finish under the rim. You know. So those are
Speaker 1: really three guys that I really I really tried to
Speaker 1: study when I first got in the league. Well, you
Speaker 1: came into a league that's driven by guards, Now, who
Speaker 1: are some of the guys you look forward to? I
Speaker 1: mean obviously every night as someone new, but who are
Speaker 1: some of the guys like, okay, got like tonight, we
Speaker 1: got Dame tonight, we got step Who are some of
Speaker 1: the guys you're like, Okay, I gotta go tonight And
Speaker 1: and this league in a right now every game, yes,
Speaker 1: you gotta you ship. We play Chicago next and even
Speaker 1: a kid like Kobe White can get thirty, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? After that, we got Toronto with Kyle.
Speaker 1: It's every it'sn't every night thing trying to play this position.
Speaker 1: If you ain't ready, you get your head cracked open
Speaker 1: trying to trying to play higher. Well, that's how it was.
Speaker 1: That's how it was with us with Wings when me
Speaker 1: and Jack were coming in, it was a wing driven league.
Speaker 1: Your twos and threes where your go to. Guys. Now
Speaker 1: it's more point guards. But that's what I'm saying. Every
Speaker 1: night for us, it was k D. Mellow, d Wade, Kobe, Jenobli,
Speaker 1: Mac t Mac Jack, our test like you name it.
Speaker 1: Every night you had Paul Pierce. Every night, you had
Speaker 1: your hand fulls. It was and that was as a
Speaker 1: defensive player. I loved it. So I know that with
Speaker 1: with it being such a heavy point guard driven league,
Speaker 1: every night is just it's time to go. And then
Speaker 1: for us man like you know, a lot of times
Speaker 1: you'll put your in up, your best defender. So a
Speaker 1: lot of times I get like long the long athletic
Speaker 1: wing guy garden me. So it's, uh, it's different because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm actually guarding the guards. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: guarding the trades and dames and stuffs and Kyrie's and
Speaker 1: I'm staying on those guys. So it's it's it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot to do that and then still
Speaker 1: you know, pick up, picking up on offense while trying
Speaker 1: to stop these guys. It's should take a lot. Now,
Speaker 1: people that go both fends, you know that that's definitely
Speaker 1: an unsunk thing because some guys don't go both fends.
Speaker 1: So to be able to guard someone on the other
Speaker 1: end and the average night that it ain't no easy feat.
Speaker 1: That's why you get the big bucks, slimp fella, That's
Speaker 1: why you get the big bucks. Uh, talk to us
Speaker 1: about Kobe Bryant. You wear shoes, went to a skill camp.
Speaker 1: What did Kobe mean to you man. Kobe was big
Speaker 1: m and crazy thing is we won one night um
Speaker 1: in Portland's I was able to sit with Code in
Speaker 1: a library for three hours. It was meet him and
Speaker 1: maybe four other people, and I was able to sit
Speaker 1: with him for about three or four hours man, from
Speaker 1: like it was probably eleven pm to three am, just
Speaker 1: sitting in there talking man. And that's that's one of
Speaker 1: the that's something that kind of I mean, it sat
Speaker 1: with me most obviously when he passed away, because this
Speaker 1: is something that literally a year and a half before
Speaker 1: it happened, I was able to have a sit down
Speaker 1: with Code that even I actually didn't even tell my
Speaker 1: brother about him, and he was he's a big Kobe fan.
Speaker 1: But like, that's that's something that I'm extremely extremely grateful for,
Speaker 1: you know what i mean, everybody don't get that, you know,
Speaker 1: if some people might get a picture or autograph, one
Speaker 1: little conversation, just being able to be there after Code
Speaker 1: was done. Um, it was going into my second year
Speaker 1: and man, that was that's something I always think about,
Speaker 1: you know, what if that didn't happen, you know then
Speaker 1: and now the obviously the Kobe thing hit me even
Speaker 1: even harder because I was able to actually have this
Speaker 1: personal interaction with him. I mean, he was big, you
Speaker 1: know what he what he did for the game, what
Speaker 1: he did while he was playing, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that motherfucker made tough shots and he got
Speaker 1: the green light to shoot fifty of them. So it
Speaker 1: was it's a it's a different animal when somebody at
Speaker 1: a green like that light. He don't care if he
Speaker 1: missed forty nine in a row. He's still gonna shoot that.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing about a lot of guys now,
Speaker 1: like Steph. It's when when when somebody can shoot that
Speaker 1: many times and it don't matter, it's hard times harder
Speaker 1: to guard. Absolutely. But I remember, I remember seeing all
Speaker 1: the Christmas Day was showing all those holiday games. Man
Speaker 1: nobody wanted problems with code. Man, nobody wanted problems with
Speaker 1: cold on the holiday game. Everybody was going home. The biggest,
Speaker 1: the bigger the stage, the better he was. He thrived
Speaker 1: on those. He thrived on those. I mean, it's but
Speaker 1: he was also someone that you said, you got you
Speaker 1: know three for our conversation. He was someone that it
Speaker 1: was weird like him and John Wooden and the handful
Speaker 1: of time I talked talked to Nipsey, it always seemed like,
Speaker 1: no matter what we were talking about, you were learning.
Speaker 1: Did you give that feeling when you had that conversation
Speaker 1: with Code, whether you were talking about sports, a life
Speaker 1: for business, or family. I always felt like I was
Speaker 1: just sitting there soaking up game. Yeah, man, he I
Speaker 1: mean he was a teacher, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he he was a student first when he grew up,
Speaker 1: when he was coming up, and then he became the teacher.
Speaker 1: And he's, like you said, like, man, when he had
Speaker 1: the camp, you know what I'm saying, that's that's from
Speaker 1: his own He just wants to teach guys that are
Speaker 1: in the NBA right now, and that's rare to think about,
Speaker 1: like a superstar that has this personal invite camp that
Speaker 1: wants to drop game to the next generation, Like that
Speaker 1: doesn't normally happen. Yeah, So that's why that's why I
Speaker 1: was big for for all the young guys that was there,
Speaker 1: And like I said, that's why Kobe has such an
Speaker 1: impact on the game today. M hmm. Alright, man. Quick
Speaker 1: hitters were at the end of the conversation. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you a couple of quick hitters. First thing
Speaker 1: to come to mind. Let you know, let us know,
Speaker 1: so top five artists, you wouldn't mind being name dropped
Speaker 1: by top five artists? You gotta go all right, I'm
Speaker 1: from New Orleans, come on, you know that? So little Wayne,
Speaker 1: that's that's number one. Um, I'll go. I'll go Wayne,
Speaker 1: Nikki because the young money, uh Drake who wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to be named John by Drake right now? Right we're
Speaker 1: talking about right now just in general whatever. Actually, I'll
Speaker 1: go Ja jay Z and uh the one more probably
Speaker 1: probably Geez I love you. I really that would be
Speaker 1: my father. There you go, Wayne, Wayne was easy. Wayne
Speaker 1: was the easiest one of them. Yeah. Wayne was easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's easy one. That's easy one for me. Okay, I
Speaker 1: hear that you big on the game. We're on live
Speaker 1: stream of your game. I am too. I play C
Speaker 1: O D A lot. What other games are you playing?
Speaker 1: You know what you're currently playing beside c L D Um,
Speaker 1: I'll be on two k be on the park gets
Speaker 1: toxic as fuck. Um. I played Spider Man for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, I was gonna get into Assassin's Creed
Speaker 1: just little one little story mode games because the online
Speaker 1: Like I'm on either two kre or COD. That's what
Speaker 1: I played online. Everything else really just little uh little
Speaker 1: role playing games or g t A jack Jack thinks
Speaker 1: he's nice to call a duty. Yeah, yeah, we well
Speaker 1: we we ended our first tournament, but two weeks ago
Speaker 1: and we won the first tournament, so we're on our
Speaker 1: way there a little gaming league or what? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was it actually the Cold Tournament. Twenty teams. That's tough.
Speaker 1: War zone yeah, war zone. Hey, let me let me
Speaker 1: actually not the question though, if you had to, if
Speaker 1: you had to pick uh five players, five retired players
Speaker 1: for your two K team, what would they be? Can
Speaker 1: you think it's played the game or not? Who would
Speaker 1: be on your team? Who retired players? Jordan Yes, Ai
Speaker 1: Magic nice. Oh my god, I'm going KG. That's my
Speaker 1: all time favorite player, and uh I go shock oh
Speaker 1: man hands a good squad. Yeah. I was gonna throw
Speaker 1: some shooters in there. But the way the game was ship,
Speaker 1: We're gonna punish people in the paint. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: that money. That's that's that's still how you win. You
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, you gotta punish people, straight sir, straight up.
Speaker 1: Top five point guards in your opinion in the history
Speaker 1: of the game. Who's real subjective? But we're gonna go magic.
Speaker 1: You gotta throw Steph in there. I don't care what
Speaker 1: nobody say. You gotta throw stuff in there now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Magic Steph. See, a lot of people are gonna
Speaker 1: be left out. We'll go Isaiah CP, m hmm, and
Speaker 1: one more Isaiah CP and UM A lot of guys.
Speaker 1: Damn If i'mnna just throw one more, I'll go um
Speaker 1: top five man uh So I went Magic, Steph CP, Isaiah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll go Um. I'll really go Chauncey I think
Speaker 1: in his in his prom and then the way he
Speaker 1: the way he defended, like I'm gonna throw, I'm gonna throw.
Speaker 1: I mean him and Isaiah. I'm gonna throw them defenders
Speaker 1: in there, even CP and he CP has been on
Speaker 1: multiple all defensive teams, ye, both sides of the ball
Speaker 1: and big shot. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: those five who could who could possibly beat you baseline?
Speaker 1: The baseline with the dribble, anybody with the dribble. I
Speaker 1: think you're still John Ai prim TP de Rose, Tony
Speaker 1: I hold on if you let Tony Parker put the
Speaker 1: ball his right hand ain't nobody be I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if you got to go to the left, If
Speaker 1: you got to go to the left, are hes gonna
Speaker 1: knock everybody else down on the court. But if he
Speaker 1: could put it, if if you put in his right hand,
Speaker 1: can't nobody. He's the fastest thing on earth that. I
Speaker 1: definitely say that. I definitely say those four. I think
Speaker 1: I said for mm hmmm, fast as a motherfucker. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you had to do an outside game, you plus
Speaker 1: four people, who are you take into the park with
Speaker 1: you for a pickup game? Hey, I'm taking Kai Katie.
Speaker 1: I'm side game. See if I could take cold, I'm
Speaker 1: taking Cold. These are just people who can hope anywhere. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I'll take Will Barton, Philly guy
Speaker 1: buckets anywhere we'll get to. Uh, I'll take someone like uh,
Speaker 1: someone like a d you know what I'm saying. At
Speaker 1: least at least have a little big out there to
Speaker 1: do something. But the first one is Kai Katie, Will Barton,
Speaker 1: Um them dude, you know that can hoop at the park.
Speaker 1: You know they don't get you. You know they're gonna
Speaker 1: get you. Buddies at the park. I love it. Five
Speaker 1: five dinner guests alive are deceased. Five dinner guests all
Speaker 1: UH athletes, all basketball players, know anybody, anybody, anybody you
Speaker 1: look up to, anybody, Who are you coming to your
Speaker 1: dinner table? Ship I got I'll go Kevin Hart, nice funny,
Speaker 1: I gotta have lass. Shit, I'm gonna pick one of y'all.
Speaker 1: Which one of y'all trying to come? We can just
Speaker 1: count this one. Yeah, I'm gonna put up both of y'all.
Speaker 1: So that's one that's too the first time we've that's dope.
Speaker 1: Appreciate k oh Um. I would go somebody like either
Speaker 1: Malcolm X yes, h I would go like an artist
Speaker 1: like um, you know pop Hove, you know someone like that.
Speaker 1: So you got the comedian y'all to have comedians because
Speaker 1: n is funny. Then you got I'll just I'll say
Speaker 1: Hove and then me. So that's fine. That's that's what's up,
Speaker 1: Jack Gold and finish this this your this is your
Speaker 1: questions ahead and finish it. Okay. Before you answer this
Speaker 1: question your answer, you have to help us with your answer.
Speaker 1: Did you get what I said? I gotta help you
Speaker 1: all with my answer? Yeah? Before I ask you this question.
Speaker 1: Whatever your answer is going to be, you have to
Speaker 1: help us with your answer. Do you make sense that
Speaker 1: ask the question? I'm just I'm just her. She understand
Speaker 1: that before I asked the question. All right, this is
Speaker 1: the question. Who would you like to see on all
Speaker 1: the smoke? Okay, okay, um, I'm trying to get y'all.
Speaker 1: N that's really gonna that's gonna really lie. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Not sure, cold nothing. Uh who I
Speaker 1: want to see on all smoke? I'll say, Uh, either
Speaker 1: j T justin I mean Jason or Bam. J We
Speaker 1: had j T. He blessed us too. Yeah, help us
Speaker 1: get BAM there and shout out to j T. To
Speaker 1: j T something his shirt that he wore to the
Speaker 1: playoffs with a picture of me and my clippers jersey
Speaker 1: with my with George Ford name on the back man,
Speaker 1: to show love to George. Yeah, he's something. I just
Speaker 1: got it last week, so I appreciate it. Bro word
Speaker 1: shout out man, Thank you dear for your time. Man.
Speaker 1: Good luck the rest of the way. Chris, we appreciate
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