Speaker 1: Just a quick refresher for our new listeners. If you
Speaker 1: have just found us, Zone seven is not a place,
Speaker 1: it's a way of life. You keep your most loyal, helpful, watchful,
Speaker 1: supportive cheerleaders as close to you as you possibly can.
Speaker 1: That's your Zone seven. I am lucky enough to work
Speaker 1: with people that I not only respect, but I adore.
Speaker 1: I am so passionate about cold cases, and I am
Speaker 1: thrilled to have you with us part of what we
Speaker 1: do in Zone seven, and the reason I wanted to
Speaker 1: start this podcast is to include the public. Experts are great,
Speaker 1: law enforcement is great, but the general public, the average Joe,
Speaker 1: can solve a cold case, and often does. Your advocation,
Speaker 1: your vocation may lead us down a path we didn't
Speaker 1: even know existed. You may have an expertise that we
Speaker 1: do not that can show us how to get this
Speaker 1: case from cold to salt. Each week I will introduce
Speaker 1: you to somebody from my Zone seven that has a
Speaker 1: particular expertise that can maybe help formulate a theory. You
Speaker 1: can take that theory and get us to the next level,
Speaker 1: possibly prayerfully closed by a rest. Growing up, the Miss
Speaker 1: America Paget was a big night in our house, we
Speaker 1: would get our outfits ready. We would have questions prepared
Speaker 1: for each other. I mean, what would you do about
Speaker 1: the energy crisis? And what is your ideal first date?
Speaker 1: And of course we would always answer the same thing,
Speaker 1: I just want world peace, and then of course crack
Speaker 1: up laughing. Then my favorite part, we would entertain our
Speaker 1: parents with our talent. That portion of the evening was always,
Speaker 1: hands down the most hilarious thing you've ever seen. We
Speaker 1: wouldn't just have a baton, we'd have a fire baton
Speaker 1: while hula hooping reciting the Gettysburg address. We weren't playing.
Speaker 1: We came to compete. Our sister Charlene was a beauty
Speaker 1: queen and we would take turns holding her trophy and
Speaker 1: wearing her crown while giving our acceptance speeches humbly of course. Well,
Speaker 1: this particular evening in nineteen sixty nine, I guess the
Speaker 1: talent portion wasn't really up to our standard, so we
Speaker 1: started making fun of some of the contestants. We would
Speaker 1: say things like, well, I guess she is Miss Texas
Speaker 1: her hair looks like a tumbleweed. Is that singing by
Speaker 1: Miss Nebraska? Or is that a cat caught a fan belt?
Speaker 1: Or one of my favorites. Do they not have Mara's
Speaker 1: in South Dakota because I know she did not look
Speaker 1: at herself or she walked out in that get up.
Speaker 1: Our dad was sitting behind us on the sofa reading
Speaker 1: the newspaper. He never said a word as we were
Speaker 1: slamming these beautiful and talented and smart women. But then
Speaker 1: in that deep South Georgia accent, he said, and I quote, well,
Speaker 1: there there, and y'all are here. And in that moment,
Speaker 1: the five of us realized, hey, wait a second, we're
Speaker 1: not in the Miss America pageant. We didn't even have
Speaker 1: the guts to try out. And my sister's shivering as
Speaker 1: though it was her idea, slowly said well, we probably
Speaker 1: should cheer for Miss Georgia, being a hometown girl and all.
Speaker 1: And then we started to brag on some of the
Speaker 1: other contestants from other states, their talent, their clothes, their answers,
Speaker 1: and from then on, the five of Us championed other women.
Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway was eighteen years old when she disappeared on
Speaker 1: May thirtieth, two thousand and five, on her high school's
Speaker 1: senior trip to Aruba. They called her mom to let
Speaker 1: her know Natalie was missing and she had missed her flight,
Speaker 1: and immediately Beth Holloway knew something was terribly wrong. Natalie
Speaker 1: was dependable. She would never be late, much less for
Speaker 1: something like a flight home. Natalie was last seen leaving
Speaker 1: Carlos and Charlie's with a man by the name of
Speaker 1: your Hand Van der Sloot and two friends, the Cowpo brothers.
Speaker 1: Natalie got in a car with these three men and
Speaker 1: was never seen alive again. She's never been found. There's
Speaker 1: been no sightings anywhere in the world. She's got one
Speaker 1: of the most recognizable missing person's posters ever, and her
Speaker 1: remains have never been found. The Uruban government says there's
Speaker 1: no eviden it's in the case to have a trial
Speaker 1: since they don't have her remains, they don't have a
Speaker 1: crime scene, they don't have anything that they believe they
Speaker 1: can go to trial with now. The number one suspect
Speaker 1: in this case was your Hand Vandersluut. He was the
Speaker 1: last to see her alive. He has admitted that he
Speaker 1: was in the car with her. He admitted as she
Speaker 1: was going in and out of consciousness that he was
Speaker 1: touching her in a sexual way under her underwear. He
Speaker 1: stated they were on the beach. At one point, he
Speaker 1: says she was having some type of convulsions. He says
Speaker 1: they drove her back to the holiday inn where she
Speaker 1: was staying and dropped her off. He didn't know what
Speaker 1: happened to her, and he remained the number one suspect.
Speaker 1: He was arrested a few times, but he was always
Speaker 1: released that On March the twenty ninth of twenty ten,
Speaker 1: Vandersloot contacts Beth Holloway's attorney, John Kelly, and he says,
Speaker 1: for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I'll tell her
Speaker 1: mother where her body is. But what she's got to
Speaker 1: do immediately is send me some good faith money. So
Speaker 1: Beth Holloway makes two payments, one of ten thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and one of fifteen thousand dollars, for a total of
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars. Then Vanderslout takes mister Kelly to
Speaker 1: a location that he knew was bogus. Then, on May thirtieth,
Speaker 1: five years to the day after Natalie Holloway went missing
Speaker 1: Your Hand, vander Slut goes into a hotel room with
Speaker 1: a young woman, Stephanie Flores. He murders her in that
Speaker 1: hotel room. Since twenty ten, he's been indicted on fraud
Speaker 1: charges in illegal wire transfers for con and Beth Holloway
Speaker 1: out of twenty five thousand dollars. Whenever I am asked, well,
Speaker 1: who do you think killed Natalie Holloway, I don't hesitate.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody in the world that doesn't
Speaker 1: have the opinion that Joran Vanderslut killed her on that
Speaker 1: beach and then disposed of her body. This is a
Speaker 1: classic example of a case that is not necessarily unsolved,
Speaker 1: but unproven, and in the world of investigating cold cases,
Speaker 1: these can be some of the most difficult because again,
Speaker 1: we don't have a crime scene, we don't have remains,
Speaker 1: we don't have DNA, we don't have clothing, we don't
Speaker 1: have eyewitnesses. Well, we don't have an eyewitness that'll talk.
Speaker 1: There's two and they have remained free the whole time.
Speaker 1: My guest tonight is the Queen of true crime. She's
Speaker 1: a feigned prosecutor, a TV personality that had a groundbreaking style.
Speaker 1: She was like no other we had ever seen. She's
Speaker 1: an award winning author, she's a daughter, she's a sister.
Speaker 1: She's a mother, she's a wife, she's a friend, a
Speaker 1: loyal friend, and she has dedicated her entire adult life
Speaker 1: to the pursuit of justice and advocating for victims of crime.
Speaker 1: Y'all please welcome someone who has helped shape my Zone seven,
Speaker 1: the one and only Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: Oh my stars, that was a lot. That was a mouthful.
Speaker 2: I did not need all that, but I would like
Speaker 2: to tell my own story. Every Oh gosh, it had
Speaker 2: to be Miss Universe and Miss America. My sister Ginny
Speaker 2: and I would spend the night with my grandmother, Mama Lucy,
Speaker 2: who my daughter is named after her because she helped
Speaker 2: raise me, and we would watch We would not leave
Speaker 2: the TV. You know, we only got two channels and
Speaker 2: one was with Sheveryl's Universe Kalals, and we would stay.
Speaker 2: It was a big deal because we could stay late
Speaker 2: and watch Miss I didn't recall ever mocking. I was
Speaker 2: just so in awe.
Speaker 1: Well that's how we started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you big bloy.
Speaker 1: But you know occasionally, you know, they maybe didn't meet
Speaker 1: our standard at the time, which is so silly.
Speaker 2: When you were in the fifth grade, you had a standard.
Speaker 1: Girl, I was only five years old when this happened.
Speaker 1: But you know, if my sister said it and they
Speaker 1: believed it, I did too. You know. I can remember
Speaker 1: when they went to Valdosta State in the early seventies
Speaker 1: and there was a big protest. They were all talking
Speaker 1: about these girls were going to burn their bras, and
Speaker 1: I was all about it. Let's head down to Valdosta.
Speaker 1: And my dad looks at me and he's like, you
Speaker 1: don't even wear a bra. You're four. Go sit down.
Speaker 1: We'll call you when we need you. You know. But
Speaker 1: you know again, if my sisters were you know, into
Speaker 1: it and down for it, I was in the truck
Speaker 1: waiting on them.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of sisters, how is your sister?
Speaker 1: Listen? She is fighting every day, she is healing. She
Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible people because she is
Speaker 1: so action oriented. She's a lot like you. There's always something,
Speaker 1: the dog, the kids, the house, the show, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever she's got going.
Speaker 2: First of all, it's not a show. It's not like
Speaker 2: a Corse and pony, dog and pony show at the
Speaker 2: circle at the circus. These are real people that are
Speaker 2: going through real problems that are seemingly insurmountable. And there's
Speaker 2: not a lot we can do for them, But I
Speaker 2: know that pain and to know that someone is on
Speaker 2: your side and is at least trying. That's what I
Speaker 2: always tell my husband David, God bless his soul, Lord,
Speaker 2: he is a saint. I say, you know what, when
Speaker 2: I ask you to help me do something, neither one
Speaker 2: of us may succeed. It may be something like help
Speaker 2: me find my phone, or guess what I have a
Speaker 2: flat tire or whatever then, or guess what the guinea
Speaker 2: pig has got loose in the art. I'm afraid the
Speaker 2: dog is going to eat them. It could be anything.
Speaker 2: We may not succeed, but it feels good and when
Speaker 2: somebody's helping you or at least trying to amen. So
Speaker 2: what trime do you want to talk about? Hit me?
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your hand, Vandersloop.
Speaker 2: Well you quit say your hand. First of all, You've
Speaker 2: got two choices, yorn or urine as many people call
Speaker 2: you know, and I merely armber when people say urine.
Speaker 2: People come up to me on the street and go,
Speaker 2: what about that urine? I'm like, Uh, what you're in too? Witch? Urine?
Speaker 1: Are you referring that worries for me?
Speaker 2: Vandersloo. Everybody knows your Vandersloop.
Speaker 1: You and I have been on this thing since two
Speaker 1: thousand and five.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear a story about that. I
Speaker 2: remember I had a book coming out, and it was
Speaker 2: my very first book. I love it The Victim. I
Speaker 2: was at a children in New York and I almost
Speaker 2: canceled on my own book party that CNN was throwing
Speaker 2: for me out of the kindness of their heart, because
Speaker 2: I thought Natalie might be found that night.
Speaker 1: Oh, because that had just happened.
Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, I don't think this is a good
Speaker 2: idea for all the whole staff to go over to
Speaker 2: a book party. We need to stay right here because
Speaker 2: I've got a ceiling. Something's gonna happen. Boy, was I wrong.
Speaker 1: And you know, we've worked it at a level that
Speaker 1: we have befriended Beth. I mean, she's not just somebody
Speaker 1: that we have read about or have interviewed once or twice.
Speaker 1: We really do care about her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel guilty about inviting her on
Speaker 2: to crime stories because I actually hate it when anyone
Speaker 2: brings up the murder of my fiance. I don't like
Speaker 2: it if I bring it up that means I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm certainly no shrink that I'm prepared to
Speaker 2: talk about it and it's not gonna like totally throw
Speaker 2: me off. But I can be having a perfectly great
Speaker 2: day and someone brings that up and it's like somebody
Speaker 2: throws cold water on me, and then you know, you
Speaker 2: know how I am Cheryl. I will get into thinking
Speaker 2: about it what happened to him and what did he
Speaker 2: feel and what could have been and all that, and
Speaker 2: it's easy, so easy to slip into that. You really
Speaker 2: have to fight it.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 2: I very often don't even ask her because I love
Speaker 2: her and we got so close, the three of us
Speaker 2: and her friend Ginger when we were in Aruba. I
Speaker 2: hate to she's having a good day. I don't want
Speaker 2: to drag her down by making her talk about it.
Speaker 1: Well. I did text her when the news broke, and
Speaker 1: then I called her and she just said, you know,
Speaker 1: I love you and Nancy, and I said, well, do
Speaker 1: you need anything because I'm coming to Birmingham. I want
Speaker 1: to see this fool in person.
Speaker 2: We're totally camping out right on and we have to
Speaker 2: get one of those cheap hotels that gives you breakfast
Speaker 2: and free Wi Fi. Nothing makes me more angry than
Speaker 2: or on a leg at some fancy restaurant, I mean
Speaker 2: fancy hotel, and then I have to pay for wife's
Speaker 2: I like fifteen ninety nine a day.
Speaker 1: Really yep, well let's go back. I know everybody knows
Speaker 1: that Natalie disappeared May thirtieth, two thousand and five, on
Speaker 1: a senior trip to Aruba. She was last seen at
Speaker 1: Carlos and Charlie's. I mean, she's last seen getting in
Speaker 1: a car with vander Slout and the Capo brothers cal.
Speaker 2: Po cow Po woman, cut her mic, please cut my mind.
Speaker 2: Nobody's ever done that. I feel left out.
Speaker 1: Can't be coming on my show and correcting me the
Speaker 1: cow Poe. You're right, and they're horrible. They're all horrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, vander Slute has confessed what four times.
Speaker 2: They're like three guels from hells mm hmmm, and they're
Speaker 2: sticking together to cover their rear ends.
Speaker 1: And do you know Bess said something when this case
Speaker 1: broke a day or ago that Natalie she had eighteen
Speaker 1: years with her and she has lived eighteen years without her.
Speaker 2: Cheryl, Please te don't make me now walking think about us,
Speaker 2: my little Lucy and John David. I know, you know
Speaker 2: when they get out of the car, and yes, I
Speaker 2: still take them to school. When they get out of
Speaker 2: the car, I watched them until they go in the
Speaker 2: building because I'm so I don't know what I am,
Speaker 2: so I'm ingrained with thinking something could very well happen
Speaker 2: to them, just thinking of eighteen years without them. Oh
Speaker 2: that makes my stomach urch physically hurts. Why did you
Speaker 2: say that to me? It was just so compelling. And
Speaker 2: when we went to Aruba with her, she said several
Speaker 2: things that I thought, you know, as a mama, you
Speaker 2: can hardly hear it without physically reacting to it. And
Speaker 2: when you asked us to go with you back to.
Speaker 1: Aruba to search for her again, it was one of
Speaker 1: the most important tremps I've ever taken. And there was
Speaker 1: a period of time where me and you and Beth
Speaker 1: went toward the chapel where she had gone.
Speaker 2: Oh, my stars, it's just what I was talking about yesterday.
Speaker 2: I was just talking about that with someone who wasn't
Speaker 2: It was either on a fox or it was on
Speaker 2: inside of it was somewhere, Oh, Cheryl, it was when
Speaker 2: you are you I best were going. We got to
Speaker 2: that a hill, although it was kind of steep, and
Speaker 2: she was describing how she was so distraught. She demanded
Speaker 2: the cab just let her out. Let get I gotta
Speaker 2: get out of the car. I can't see the car.
Speaker 2: She got out of the cab because she saw a
Speaker 2: cross on the side of the road, and she threw
Speaker 2: herself down, screaming and crying. Where is Natalie? Where is Natalie?
Speaker 2: Just beating, beating the ground. She had been trying to
Speaker 2: find outlets she had flown there, and the police weren't
Speaker 2: helping her. Nobody was helping her. There's no ninety one
Speaker 2: one system in place. It was just a crap show.
Speaker 2: And she looks up. She sees another cross. She goes
Speaker 2: to that cross, and she's like, kind of like an animal.
Speaker 2: She's not even thinking like a human. She's just in
Speaker 2: so much pain. And she sees another cross. She ends
Speaker 2: up going to eighteen crosses. As I recall, up this hill,
Speaker 2: climbing this hill. By now she's covered in dirt from
Speaker 2: kneeling and praying and beating the ground. She gets to
Speaker 2: the top and there is a little chapel, and I
Speaker 2: mean little like the size of your kitchen or my kitchen,
Speaker 2: the whole chapel, and it's very decorated on the inside
Speaker 2: with holy images. And she said when she got to
Speaker 2: that chapel, she was overcome with a feeling that Natalie
Speaker 2: was dead. Oh gosh, And you remember, Cyril. The three
Speaker 2: of us sat on those outdoor pews around that little
Speaker 2: bitty chapel on the top of that hill, and I
Speaker 2: recall it something like Bella Vista or Buyna Vista. Beautiful
Speaker 2: view because you could look out on other hills and
Speaker 2: mountains and you could see the ocean, just a glimpse
Speaker 2: of the ocean beyond, and there was such a feeling
Speaker 2: of peace. And all three of us said that was
Speaker 2: the only time in Aruba that there was peace, because
Speaker 2: everywhere else felt like we were on snakes, just writhing
Speaker 2: between It just felt horrible, except right.
Speaker 1: There, even when we almost got arrested.
Speaker 2: Oh lords.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you a lot of people
Speaker 1: may not know this, but Nancy was my prosecutor back
Speaker 1: in day when I was assigned to the Major Case Division,
Speaker 1: and I've seen her do a lot of brave things.
Speaker 1: I've seen her do a lot of really super cool things.
Speaker 1: What I saw when Aruba was flat gangster. So let
Speaker 1: me set at the stage. I had to busted up
Speaker 1: ankle and I could hardly walk. So Nancy and Beth
Speaker 1: go to the holiday Inn. They want to go on
Speaker 1: the inside of it. They want to ask some hard
Speaker 1: questions of these people. Well, I'm out front and I
Speaker 1: see a police car pull up and there's three of
Speaker 1: them in the car.
Speaker 2: And they were big.
Speaker 1: Oh they were huge.
Speaker 2: I think they were on steroids, Cheryl. There's really no
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind.
Speaker 1: And I thought I better start walking back to the
Speaker 1: car because Nancy.
Speaker 2: Walks because suddenly your ankle starts hurting.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And I thought Nancy walks as quick
Speaker 1: as she talks. I got to hit it because they're
Speaker 1: going to leave me here if I don't make tracks.
Speaker 1: So I start walking back to the car and a
Speaker 1: police officer starts hollering at me, wait a minute, Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, ma'am. Stop, And I was like, oh lord,
Speaker 1: So I stopped. Nancy doesn't. She keeps right on walking
Speaker 1: and Beth is following her. Well, finally they come back,
Speaker 1: because I guess they figure they're not going to leave me,
Speaker 1: and they start threatening Beth and Nancy with a rest Well,
Speaker 1: I'm taking a picture of it because I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna document this. Well. Then he comes to me and says,
Speaker 1: you could go to jail for taking a picture of us,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is going on? First of all,
Speaker 1: Beth and Nancy ain't big as a minute. They don't
Speaker 1: weigh one hundred and fifty pounds combined, and these guys
Speaker 1: are huge. Nancy Grace was not intimidated at all. She
Speaker 1: looks right at that one boy and she says, either no.
Speaker 1: The first thing she said was, so, you're telling me
Speaker 1: you can't find a way to arrest your hand vandersloot
Speaker 1: in fifteen years, but you're going to arrest us in
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. I thought, oh lord, here we go. Maybe
Speaker 1: she forgot we're in a foreign country. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I think we might be in
Speaker 1: some trouble here. And then he keeps talking to you
Speaker 1: and keeps giving you attitude, and you said, and I quote,
Speaker 1: either arrest us or let us go. I'm leaving. And
Speaker 1: you turned on your heels and you started walking, and
Speaker 1: me and Beth looked at each other and we just
Speaker 1: started following you. And then something extraordinary happened when we
Speaker 1: got on the other side of the street at the sidewalk,
Speaker 1: You remember all the businesses started closing their doors and
Speaker 1: putting out closed sign I remember. I mean that was
Speaker 1: like something out of a movie.
Speaker 2: They were say us coming and turn the sign we
Speaker 2: are closed, we're closed, can't help you.
Speaker 1: And before that you had said, listen, nobody knows we're here,
Speaker 1: nobody knows we're coming. Don't post anything on social media,
Speaker 1: don't post a picture, don't say where you're going, don't
Speaker 1: even say you're at the Atlanta airport prior to leaving.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. We got in the car after that,
Speaker 1: just disgusting display, and you said, give me that picture.
Speaker 1: So I sent you the picture. You posted it immediately
Speaker 1: you said they already know we're here. I don't care.
Speaker 1: We're going to, you know, continue what we came here
Speaker 1: to do. We're going to continue to search. And everywhere
Speaker 1: we went, the lighthouse, the Holiday Inn, the other side
Speaker 1: of town, where we were saying, they followed us the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 2: I remember it like it was yesterday. And what I
Speaker 2: kept thinking about during all that, especially when they were
Speaker 2: threatening to arrest us, was if they're doing that to us,
Speaker 2: what did they do regarding Natalie's mother, was she was
Speaker 2: there and there was a chance to solve the case
Speaker 2: Nallie's remains, her body could have been found and identified
Speaker 2: unless it was thrown in the water, And if it
Speaker 2: had been thrown in the water, that was the time
Speaker 2: to secure witnesses and possible DNA.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The other day on again, there so many outlets talking
Speaker 2: about Natalie. I got a lot of heat online again
Speaker 2: about why did you say Natalie was rape if they've
Speaker 2: never found everybody? How do you know that?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I recall reading supplemental reports where your Vanderslute described Natalie's underwear.
Speaker 2: I believe there were flowers on her underwear, a print embroadered, Yeah,
Speaker 2: something like that. I mean, what do you think happened?
Speaker 2: This girl was ruthied? Why do I say that? Because
Speaker 2: that was his modus operandi, method of operations. And again,
Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, look at his track records.
Speaker 2: That's what he did. Everybody knew it. The whole community
Speaker 2: knew he would go to casinos and stall American girls
Speaker 2: to try to get money and or sex from them
Speaker 2: and ruthie them. Happened over and over and over and
Speaker 2: over and because he was a judge's son, he got
Speaker 2: away with it. It was condoned.
Speaker 1: He described her going in and out of consciousness and
Speaker 1: how he was touching her, so clearly she was actually assaulted.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, remember.
Speaker 2: He also said, in one of his many varying statements,
Speaker 2: I mean I can smell that like a bloodhound, the
Speaker 2: moment I hear inconsistency. There there you got your lying.
Speaker 2: That's it. Now. You can embellish ad facts that you
Speaker 2: remember or if you're asked the correct question by the question,
Speaker 2: or you might add facts, but changing facts that's a
Speaker 2: whole nother that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big old flag.
Speaker 2: And one of his revisions, who stated that that Natalie
Speaker 2: wanted him to have sex with her and he refused. Right, okay,
Speaker 2: nobody believes that. Nobody. He's a shark, and there's no
Speaker 2: way he had Natalie Holloway. Remember when he went to
Speaker 2: the fishermen's huts, they're not really huts. They're like little
Speaker 2: structures that fishers used to I guess clean fish, bestore
Speaker 2: their rigging. I can easily see what happened that night.
Speaker 2: He raped her after rufying her and I think there's
Speaker 2: a chance that he asphyxiated her or she died on
Speaker 2: her own during the rape, vomiting up the roofie, and
Speaker 2: instead of saving her, he let her die and got
Speaker 2: rid of her body.
Speaker 1: But you know, even when we were there, there's nobody
Speaker 1: that didn't accept what had happened and who had done it. No,
Speaker 1: there's nobody that doesn't ping him for it.
Speaker 2: And it's still not over. And now this POC is
Speaker 2: coming to the US. No more cushy peruby in jail
Speaker 2: where he has sex, drugs and booze and free reign
Speaker 2: like he's the King of the idiots. He's coming here,
Speaker 2: and I am not going to be happy till his
Speaker 2: body ass is locked up in a max security federal penitentiary.
Speaker 1: Amen. So don't you think extraditing him to the US
Speaker 1: to face these fraud charges is brilliant because again we
Speaker 1: have been she's healthy, She's going to be a vital
Speaker 1: part of this thing is the victim. You don't want
Speaker 1: to wait till twenty thirty eight or whenever he's released
Speaker 1: from the Peruvian jail.
Speaker 2: Oh No, And that's why that treaty was agreed upon.
Speaker 2: It in two thousand and one between the US and
Speaker 2: Peru allows for this is important temporary extradition. And here
Speaker 2: are the requirements. The individual that is being extradized must
Speaker 2: already be behind bars serving time in Peru. They decide
Speaker 2: if it is a case that needs to be that
Speaker 2: needs extradition, and they work with the US to make
Speaker 2: that happen. Typically, as you just pointed out, you have
Speaker 2: to wait until the person finishing is their current sentence
Speaker 2: in the foreign jurisdiction. And when I say foreign, it
Speaker 2: could be another state, but here it actually is foreign,
Speaker 2: it is Peru. You have to wait for them to
Speaker 2: finish their sentence in this foreign jurisdiction and then extradite them.
Speaker 2: Not so with this pact agreed upon in two thousand
Speaker 2: and one US Peru which says your Vanderslute can be
Speaker 2: temporarily extradited.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: That's how he's coming here. He's coming to Birmingham on
Speaker 2: essentially two charges, one being wire fraud. He used the wires,
Speaker 2: which is telephone, digital, computer, and telegraph. Anything that you
Speaker 2: use the wire service to can meant a crime that's wirefraud,
Speaker 2: like transferring funds to an offshore account illegally for criminal purposes.
Speaker 2: That's wirefraud. You took away all that money and let's
Speaker 2: just say turks and caicos from your drug empire you're
Speaker 2: running in the US. There's wire fraud. This is wirefraud
Speaker 2: and extortion. He told Beth Holloway that he would tell
Speaker 2: her what rip quote really happened to Natalie if she
Speaker 2: would give him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars with
Speaker 2: a twenty five thousand dollars down payment. She gave the
Speaker 2: twenty five grand. That's extortion. Though, not only does he
Speaker 2: rape and murder Natalie right there on the beach, And
Speaker 2: if you don't think he strangled her or asphyxiated her,
Speaker 2: then it's still felony murder. He was sex assaulting her
Speaker 2: and she died, text book felony murder. So not only
Speaker 2: did he do that, then he prayed upon her mother, who.
Speaker 1: She got twenty five thousand dollars. She's a school teacher.
Speaker 2: Awful.
Speaker 1: Oh, you've already taken the most precious thing from her
Speaker 1: she'll ever have. And I want to tell everybody one
Speaker 1: more thing. As you and me and Beth were sitting
Speaker 1: there in front of the chapel on top of that
Speaker 1: beautiful hill overlooking the Atlantic Ocean. She said something so
Speaker 1: gut wrenching as a mamma to hear that it took
Speaker 1: me a minute before I could speak again. She said
Speaker 1: to us, do you know I have her passport with
Speaker 1: me just in case she carried Niali's passport with her
Speaker 1: at all times?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, you just came to childrops all over my
Speaker 2: whole self, just in case she got a call. Didn't
Speaker 2: matter day or night where Beth would be. If she
Speaker 2: got that call that Nalie had been sound, she would
Speaker 2: have Nowly's passports so she could go and get Nalie
Speaker 2: and bring her home.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for being with us tonight.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say I can't thank Vic
Speaker 1: Powell enough for teaching me that somebody prettier or smarter,
Speaker 1: or more talented or richer should be your friend, not
Speaker 1: somebody you distance yourself from or make fun of. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything that you have meant to me as
Speaker 1: a friend.
Speaker 2: Wait, are you saying I'm pretty ear than you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is really happening, is absolutely happening.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny? I always wanted dark brown eyes
Speaker 2: and dark hair. Why is it we always want the
Speaker 2: thing we don't have. But you know what, Keith's death
Speaker 2: really taught me something, because every day, Cheryl, I wake
Speaker 2: up at five am and I go outside and I
Speaker 2: look up. This morning, I could see the moon still
Speaker 2: out and the sky was turning blue. I said, Oh,
Speaker 2: Dear God, thank you for another day and all these
Speaker 2: blessings you are rating down on me. You begin to
Speaker 2: look for everything good and don't let anything take away
Speaker 2: your joys. And I got to say, your friendship has
Speaker 2: been one of the most precious things in my life.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm going to end Zone seven the way
Speaker 1: that I always do with a quote. This quote is
Speaker 1: not somebody that was in my Zone seven, but I
Speaker 1: wish they could have been. This quote comes from Harper
Speaker 1: Lee from Taquilla Mockingbird, chapter twenty two. So, after Atticus
Speaker 1: loses the trial of Tom Robinson, his neighbor ms Mardy
Speaker 1: is talking to the children and giving them some cake,
Speaker 1: trying to make them feel better. And she says, and
Speaker 1: I quote, I simply wanted to tell you that there
Speaker 1: are some men in this world who are born to
Speaker 1: do our unpleasant jobs for us, and your father's one
Speaker 1: of them. Nancy Grace and I love this book. We
Speaker 1: have that in common as well. And this quote always
Speaker 1: makes me think of Nancy because when she lost caid,
Speaker 1: she picked up herself and decided to devote the rest
Speaker 1: of her life for fighting for justice. I'm Cheryl McCollum
Speaker 1: and this is his own seven. It's important when you
Speaker 1: think about cold cases, what is the call to action?
Speaker 1: In this case? The call to action is to maintain
Speaker 1: advocacy for Beth Holloway, for Natalie's dad, for Natalie's brother,
Speaker 1: for Natalie's friends that were on the trip with her.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important when people say, well, he's
Speaker 1: in prison already, why are we wasting taxpayers money to
Speaker 1: get him to Alabama? Are you kidding me? Nobody should
Speaker 1: get away with the murder of anybody. Vandersloot has not
Speaker 1: faced the first charge as it relates to Natalie Holloway,
Speaker 1: and all of us need to have a unified voice
Speaker 1: when he hits American soul that he understands it is
Speaker 1: completely different. Now, welcome to America.