1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Just a quick refresher for our new listeners. If you 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: have just found us, Zone seven is not a place, 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: it's a way of life. You keep your most loyal, helpful, watchful, 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: supportive cheerleaders as close to you as you possibly can. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: That's your Zone seven. I am lucky enough to work 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: with people that I not only respect, but I adore. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: I am so passionate about cold cases, and I am 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: thrilled to have you with us part of what we 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: do in Zone seven, and the reason I wanted to 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: start this podcast is to include the public. Experts are great, 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: law enforcement is great, but the general public, the average Joe, 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: can solve a cold case, and often does. Your advocation, 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: your vocation may lead us down a path we didn't 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: even know existed. You may have an expertise that we 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: do not that can show us how to get this 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: case from cold to salt. Each week I will introduce 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: you to somebody from my Zone seven that has a 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: particular expertise that can maybe help formulate a theory. You 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: can take that theory and get us to the next level, 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: possibly prayerfully closed by a rest. Growing up, the Miss 21 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: America Paget was a big night in our house, we 22 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: would get our outfits ready. We would have questions prepared 23 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: for each other. I mean, what would you do about 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: the energy crisis? And what is your ideal first date? 25 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: And of course we would always answer the same thing, 26 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: I just want world peace, and then of course crack 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: up laughing. Then my favorite part, we would entertain our 28 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: parents with our talent. That portion of the evening was always, 29 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: hands down the most hilarious thing you've ever seen. We 30 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't just have a baton, we'd have a fire baton 31 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: while hula hooping reciting the Gettysburg address. We weren't playing. 32 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: We came to compete. Our sister Charlene was a beauty 33 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: queen and we would take turns holding her trophy and 34 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: wearing her crown while giving our acceptance speeches humbly of course. Well, 35 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: this particular evening in nineteen sixty nine, I guess the 36 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: talent portion wasn't really up to our standard, so we 37 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: started making fun of some of the contestants. We would 38 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 1: say things like, well, I guess she is Miss Texas 39 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: her hair looks like a tumbleweed. Is that singing by 40 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: Miss Nebraska? Or is that a cat caught a fan belt? 41 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: Or one of my favorites. Do they not have Mara's 42 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: in South Dakota because I know she did not look 43 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: at herself or she walked out in that get up. 44 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: Our dad was sitting behind us on the sofa reading 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: the newspaper. He never said a word as we were 46 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: slamming these beautiful and talented and smart women. But then 47 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: in that deep South Georgia accent, he said, and I quote, well, 48 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: there there, and y'all are here. And in that moment, 49 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: the five of us realized, hey, wait a second, we're 50 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: not in the Miss America pageant. We didn't even have 51 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: the guts to try out. And my sister's shivering as 52 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: though it was her idea, slowly said well, we probably 53 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: should cheer for Miss Georgia, being a hometown girl and all. 54 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: And then we started to brag on some of the 55 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: other contestants from other states, their talent, their clothes, their answers, 56 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: and from then on, the five of Us championed other women. 57 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway was eighteen years old when she disappeared on 58 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: May thirtieth, two thousand and five, on her high school's 59 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: senior trip to Aruba. They called her mom to let 60 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: her know Natalie was missing and she had missed her flight, 61 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: and immediately Beth Holloway knew something was terribly wrong. Natalie 62 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: was dependable. She would never be late, much less for 63 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: something like a flight home. Natalie was last seen leaving 64 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: Carlos and Charlie's with a man by the name of 65 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: your Hand Van der Sloot and two friends, the Cowpo brothers. 66 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: Natalie got in a car with these three men and 67 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: was never seen alive again. She's never been found. There's 68 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: been no sightings anywhere in the world. She's got one 69 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: of the most recognizable missing person's posters ever, and her 70 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: remains have never been found. The Uruban government says there's 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: no eviden it's in the case to have a trial 72 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: since they don't have her remains, they don't have a 73 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: crime scene, they don't have anything that they believe they 74 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: can go to trial with now. The number one suspect 75 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: in this case was your Hand Vandersluut. He was the 76 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: last to see her alive. He has admitted that he 77 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: was in the car with her. He admitted as she 78 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: was going in and out of consciousness that he was 79 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: touching her in a sexual way under her underwear. He 80 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: stated they were on the beach. At one point, he 81 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: says she was having some type of convulsions. He says 82 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: they drove her back to the holiday inn where she 83 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: was staying and dropped her off. He didn't know what 84 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: happened to her, and he remained the number one suspect. 85 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: He was arrested a few times, but he was always 86 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: released that On March the twenty ninth of twenty ten, 87 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: Vandersloot contacts Beth Holloway's attorney, John Kelly, and he says, 88 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I'll tell her 89 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: mother where her body is. But what she's got to 90 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: do immediately is send me some good faith money. So 91 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: Beth Holloway makes two payments, one of ten thousand dollars 92 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: and one of fifteen thousand dollars, for a total of 93 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars. Then Vanderslout takes mister Kelly to 94 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: a location that he knew was bogus. Then, on May thirtieth, 95 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: five years to the day after Natalie Holloway went missing 96 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Your Hand, vander Slut goes into a hotel room with 97 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: a young woman, Stephanie Flores. He murders her in that 98 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: hotel room. Since twenty ten, he's been indicted on fraud 99 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: charges in illegal wire transfers for con and Beth Holloway 100 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: out of twenty five thousand dollars. Whenever I am asked, well, 101 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: who do you think killed Natalie Holloway, I don't hesitate. 102 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody in the world that doesn't 103 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: have the opinion that Joran Vanderslut killed her on that 104 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: beach and then disposed of her body. This is a 105 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: classic example of a case that is not necessarily unsolved, 106 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: but unproven, and in the world of investigating cold cases, 107 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: these can be some of the most difficult because again, 108 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: we don't have a crime scene, we don't have remains, 109 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: we don't have DNA, we don't have clothing, we don't 110 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: have eyewitnesses. Well, we don't have an eyewitness that'll talk. 111 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: There's two and they have remained free the whole time. 112 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: My guest tonight is the Queen of true crime. She's 113 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: a feigned prosecutor, a TV personality that had a groundbreaking style. 114 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: She was like no other we had ever seen. She's 115 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: an award winning author, she's a daughter, she's a sister. 116 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: She's a mother, she's a wife, she's a friend, a 117 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: loyal friend, and she has dedicated her entire adult life 118 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: to the pursuit of justice and advocating for victims of crime. 119 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Y'all please welcome someone who has helped shape my Zone seven, 120 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: the one and only Nancy Grace. 121 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: Oh my stars, that was a lot. That was a mouthful. 122 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: I did not need all that, but I would like 123 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: to tell my own story. Every Oh gosh, it had 124 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: to be Miss Universe and Miss America. My sister Ginny 125 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: and I would spend the night with my grandmother, Mama Lucy, 126 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: who my daughter is named after her because she helped 127 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: raise me, and we would watch We would not leave 128 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: the TV. You know, we only got two channels and 129 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: one was with Sheveryl's Universe Kalals, and we would stay. 130 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: It was a big deal because we could stay late 131 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: and watch Miss I didn't recall ever mocking. I was 132 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: just so in awe. 133 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: Well that's how we started. 134 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you big bloy. 135 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: But you know occasionally, you know, they maybe didn't meet 136 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: our standard at the time, which is so silly. 137 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: When you were in the fifth grade, you had a standard. 138 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: Girl, I was only five years old when this happened. 139 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: But you know, if my sister said it and they 140 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: believed it, I did too. You know. I can remember 141 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: when they went to Valdosta State in the early seventies 142 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: and there was a big protest. They were all talking 143 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: about these girls were going to burn their bras, and 144 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: I was all about it. Let's head down to Valdosta. 145 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: And my dad looks at me and he's like, you 146 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: don't even wear a bra. You're four. Go sit down. 147 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: We'll call you when we need you. You know. But 148 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: you know again, if my sisters were you know, into 149 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: it and down for it, I was in the truck 150 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: waiting on them. 151 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of sisters, how is your sister? 152 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: Listen? She is fighting every day, she is healing. She 153 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible people because she is 154 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: so action oriented. She's a lot like you. There's always something, 155 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: the dog, the kids, the house, the show, you know, 156 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: whatever she's got going. 157 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: First of all, it's not a show. It's not like 158 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: a Corse and pony, dog and pony show at the 159 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: circle at the circus. These are real people that are 160 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: going through real problems that are seemingly insurmountable. And there's 161 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: not a lot we can do for them, But I 162 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: know that pain and to know that someone is on 163 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 2: your side and is at least trying. That's what I 164 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: always tell my husband David, God bless his soul, Lord, 165 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 2: he is a saint. I say, you know what, when 166 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 2: I ask you to help me do something, neither one 167 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: of us may succeed. It may be something like help 168 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: me find my phone, or guess what I have a 169 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: flat tire or whatever then, or guess what the guinea 170 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: pig has got loose in the art. I'm afraid the 171 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 2: dog is going to eat them. It could be anything. 172 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: We may not succeed, but it feels good and when 173 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: somebody's helping you or at least trying to amen. So 174 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: what trime do you want to talk about? Hit me? 175 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: I want to talk about your hand, Vandersloop. 176 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: Well you quit say your hand. First of all, You've 177 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: got two choices, yorn or urine as many people call 178 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: you know, and I merely armber when people say urine. 179 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: People come up to me on the street and go, 180 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: what about that urine? I'm like, Uh, what you're in too? Witch? Urine? 181 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: Are you referring that worries for me? 182 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: Vandersloo. Everybody knows your Vandersloop. 183 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: You and I have been on this thing since two 184 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: thousand and five. 185 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: Do you want to hear a story about that. I 186 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: remember I had a book coming out, and it was 187 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: my very first book. I love it The Victim. I 188 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: was at a children in New York and I almost 189 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: canceled on my own book party that CNN was throwing 190 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: for me out of the kindness of their heart, because 191 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: I thought Natalie might be found that night. 192 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: Oh, because that had just happened. 193 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, I don't think this is a good 194 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: idea for all the whole staff to go over to 195 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: a book party. We need to stay right here because 196 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: I've got a ceiling. Something's gonna happen. Boy, was I wrong. 197 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: And you know, we've worked it at a level that 198 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: we have befriended Beth. I mean, she's not just somebody 199 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: that we have read about or have interviewed once or twice. 200 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: We really do care about her. 201 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel guilty about inviting her on 202 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: to crime stories because I actually hate it when anyone 203 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: brings up the murder of my fiance. I don't like 204 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: it if I bring it up that means I guess. 205 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm certainly no shrink that I'm prepared to 206 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: talk about it and it's not gonna like totally throw 207 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: me off. But I can be having a perfectly great 208 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: day and someone brings that up and it's like somebody 209 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: throws cold water on me, and then you know, you 210 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: know how I am Cheryl. I will get into thinking 211 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: about it what happened to him and what did he 212 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: feel and what could have been and all that, and 213 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: it's easy, so easy to slip into that. You really 214 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: have to fight it. 215 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. 216 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: I very often don't even ask her because I love 217 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: her and we got so close, the three of us 218 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: and her friend Ginger when we were in Aruba. I 219 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: hate to she's having a good day. I don't want 220 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: to drag her down by making her talk about it. 221 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: Well. I did text her when the news broke, and 222 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: then I called her and she just said, you know, 223 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: I love you and Nancy, and I said, well, do 224 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: you need anything because I'm coming to Birmingham. I want 225 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: to see this fool in person. 226 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: We're totally camping out right on and we have to 227 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: get one of those cheap hotels that gives you breakfast 228 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: and free Wi Fi. Nothing makes me more angry than 229 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 2: or on a leg at some fancy restaurant, I mean 230 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: fancy hotel, and then I have to pay for wife's 231 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: I like fifteen ninety nine a day. 232 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: Really yep, well let's go back. I know everybody knows 233 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: that Natalie disappeared May thirtieth, two thousand and five, on 234 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: a senior trip to Aruba. She was last seen at 235 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Carlos and Charlie's. I mean, she's last seen getting in 236 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: a car with vander Slout and the Capo brothers cal. 237 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: Po cow Po woman, cut her mic, please cut my mind. 238 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: Nobody's ever done that. I feel left out. 239 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: Can't be coming on my show and correcting me the 240 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: cow Poe. You're right, and they're horrible. They're all horrible. 241 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean, vander Slute has confessed what four times. 242 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: They're like three guels from hells mm hmmm, and they're 243 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: sticking together to cover their rear ends. 244 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: And do you know Bess said something when this case 245 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: broke a day or ago that Natalie she had eighteen 246 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: years with her and she has lived eighteen years without her. 247 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: Cheryl, Please te don't make me now walking think about us, 248 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: my little Lucy and John David. I know, you know 249 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: when they get out of the car, and yes, I 250 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: still take them to school. When they get out of 251 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: the car, I watched them until they go in the 252 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: building because I'm so I don't know what I am, 253 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: so I'm ingrained with thinking something could very well happen 254 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: to them, just thinking of eighteen years without them. Oh 255 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: that makes my stomach urch physically hurts. Why did you 256 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: say that to me? It was just so compelling. And 257 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: when we went to Aruba with her, she said several 258 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: things that I thought, you know, as a mama, you 259 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: can hardly hear it without physically reacting to it. And 260 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: when you asked us to go with you back to. 261 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Aruba to search for her again, it was one of 262 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: the most important tremps I've ever taken. And there was 263 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: a period of time where me and you and Beth 264 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: went toward the chapel where she had gone. 265 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: Oh, my stars, it's just what I was talking about yesterday. 266 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: I was just talking about that with someone who wasn't 267 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: It was either on a fox or it was on 268 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: inside of it was somewhere, Oh, Cheryl, it was when 269 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: you are you I best were going. We got to 270 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: that a hill, although it was kind of steep, and 271 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: she was describing how she was so distraught. She demanded 272 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: the cab just let her out. Let get I gotta 273 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: get out of the car. I can't see the car. 274 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: She got out of the cab because she saw a 275 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: cross on the side of the road, and she threw 276 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: herself down, screaming and crying. Where is Natalie? Where is Natalie? 277 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: Just beating, beating the ground. She had been trying to 278 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: find outlets she had flown there, and the police weren't 279 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: helping her. Nobody was helping her. There's no ninety one 280 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: one system in place. It was just a crap show. 281 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: And she looks up. She sees another cross. She goes 282 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: to that cross, and she's like, kind of like an animal. 283 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: She's not even thinking like a human. She's just in 284 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: so much pain. And she sees another cross. She ends 285 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: up going to eighteen crosses. As I recall, up this hill, 286 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: climbing this hill. By now she's covered in dirt from 287 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 2: kneeling and praying and beating the ground. She gets to 288 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: the top and there is a little chapel, and I 289 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: mean little like the size of your kitchen or my kitchen, 290 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: the whole chapel, and it's very decorated on the inside 291 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: with holy images. And she said when she got to 292 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 2: that chapel, she was overcome with a feeling that Natalie 293 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: was dead. Oh gosh, And you remember, Cyril. The three 294 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: of us sat on those outdoor pews around that little 295 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: bitty chapel on the top of that hill, and I 296 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: recall it something like Bella Vista or Buyna Vista. Beautiful 297 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: view because you could look out on other hills and 298 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 2: mountains and you could see the ocean, just a glimpse 299 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: of the ocean beyond, and there was such a feeling 300 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: of peace. And all three of us said that was 301 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: the only time in Aruba that there was peace, because 302 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: everywhere else felt like we were on snakes, just writhing 303 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: between It just felt horrible, except right. 304 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: There, even when we almost got arrested. 305 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: Oh lords. 306 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you a lot of people 307 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: may not know this, but Nancy was my prosecutor back 308 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: in day when I was assigned to the Major Case Division, 309 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: and I've seen her do a lot of brave things. 310 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: I've seen her do a lot of really super cool things. 311 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: What I saw when Aruba was flat gangster. So let 312 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: me set at the stage. I had to busted up 313 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: ankle and I could hardly walk. So Nancy and Beth 314 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: go to the holiday Inn. They want to go on 315 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: the inside of it. They want to ask some hard 316 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: questions of these people. Well, I'm out front and I 317 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: see a police car pull up and there's three of 318 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: them in the car. 319 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: And they were big. 320 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: Oh they were huge. 321 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: I think they were on steroids, Cheryl. There's really no 322 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: doubt in my mind. 323 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: And I thought I better start walking back to the 324 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: car because Nancy. 325 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: Walks because suddenly your ankle starts hurting. 326 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And I thought Nancy walks as quick 327 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: as she talks. I got to hit it because they're 328 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: going to leave me here if I don't make tracks. 329 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: So I start walking back to the car and a 330 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: police officer starts hollering at me, wait a minute, Wait 331 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: a minute, ma'am. Stop, And I was like, oh lord, 332 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: So I stopped. Nancy doesn't. She keeps right on walking 333 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: and Beth is following her. Well, finally they come back, 334 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: because I guess they figure they're not going to leave me, 335 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: and they start threatening Beth and Nancy with a rest Well, 336 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: I'm taking a picture of it because I'm like, I'm 337 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: gonna document this. Well. Then he comes to me and says, 338 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: you could go to jail for taking a picture of us, 339 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is going on? First of all, 340 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: Beth and Nancy ain't big as a minute. They don't 341 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: weigh one hundred and fifty pounds combined, and these guys 342 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: are huge. Nancy Grace was not intimidated at all. She 343 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: looks right at that one boy and she says, either no. 344 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: The first thing she said was, so, you're telling me 345 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: you can't find a way to arrest your hand vandersloot 346 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: in fifteen years, but you're going to arrest us in 347 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. I thought, oh lord, here we go. Maybe 348 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: she forgot we're in a foreign country. I don't know, 349 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: but I was like, I think we might be in 350 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: some trouble here. And then he keeps talking to you 351 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: and keeps giving you attitude, and you said, and I quote, 352 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: either arrest us or let us go. I'm leaving. And 353 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: you turned on your heels and you started walking, and 354 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: me and Beth looked at each other and we just 355 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: started following you. And then something extraordinary happened when we 356 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: got on the other side of the street at the sidewalk, 357 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: You remember all the businesses started closing their doors and 358 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: putting out closed sign I remember. I mean that was 359 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: like something out of a movie. 360 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: They were say us coming and turn the sign we 361 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: are closed, we're closed, can't help you. 362 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: And before that you had said, listen, nobody knows we're here, 363 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: nobody knows we're coming. Don't post anything on social media, 364 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: don't post a picture, don't say where you're going, don't 365 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: even say you're at the Atlanta airport prior to leaving. 366 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. We got in the car after that, 367 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: just disgusting display, and you said, give me that picture. 368 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: So I sent you the picture. You posted it immediately 369 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: you said they already know we're here. I don't care. 370 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: We're going to, you know, continue what we came here 371 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: to do. We're going to continue to search. And everywhere 372 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: we went, the lighthouse, the Holiday Inn, the other side 373 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: of town, where we were saying, they followed us the 374 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: whole time. 375 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: I remember it like it was yesterday. And what I 376 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: kept thinking about during all that, especially when they were 377 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: threatening to arrest us, was if they're doing that to us, 378 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: what did they do regarding Natalie's mother, was she was 379 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: there and there was a chance to solve the case 380 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: Nallie's remains, her body could have been found and identified 381 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: unless it was thrown in the water, And if it 382 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: had been thrown in the water, that was the time 383 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: to secure witnesses and possible DNA. 384 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: You know. 385 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: The other day on again, there so many outlets talking 386 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: about Natalie. I got a lot of heat online again 387 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: about why did you say Natalie was rape if they've 388 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: never found everybody? How do you know that? 389 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: Well? 390 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: I recall reading supplemental reports where your Vanderslute described Natalie's underwear. 391 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: I believe there were flowers on her underwear, a print embroadered, Yeah, 392 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: something like that. I mean, what do you think happened? 393 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: This girl was ruthied? Why do I say that? Because 394 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 2: that was his modus operandi, method of operations. And again, 395 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, look at his track records. 396 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 2: That's what he did. Everybody knew it. The whole community 397 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: knew he would go to casinos and stall American girls 398 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: to try to get money and or sex from them 399 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: and ruthie them. Happened over and over and over and 400 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: over and because he was a judge's son, he got 401 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: away with it. It was condoned. 402 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: He described her going in and out of consciousness and 403 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: how he was touching her, so clearly she was actually assaulted. 404 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: And the thing is, remember. 405 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 2: He also said, in one of his many varying statements, 406 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: I mean I can smell that like a bloodhound, the 407 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: moment I hear inconsistency. There there you got your lying. 408 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: That's it. Now. You can embellish ad facts that you 409 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: remember or if you're asked the correct question by the question, 410 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: or you might add facts, but changing facts that's a 411 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: whole nother that's a whole other thing. 412 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big old flag. 413 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: And one of his revisions, who stated that that Natalie 414 00:24:53,920 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 2: wanted him to have sex with her and he refused. Right, okay, 415 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: nobody believes that. Nobody. He's a shark, and there's no 416 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: way he had Natalie Holloway. Remember when he went to 417 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: the fishermen's huts, they're not really huts. They're like little 418 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: structures that fishers used to I guess clean fish, bestore 419 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: their rigging. I can easily see what happened that night. 420 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: He raped her after rufying her and I think there's 421 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: a chance that he asphyxiated her or she died on 422 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: her own during the rape, vomiting up the roofie, and 423 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: instead of saving her, he let her die and got 424 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: rid of her body. 425 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: But you know, even when we were there, there's nobody 426 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: that didn't accept what had happened and who had done it. No, 427 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: there's nobody that doesn't ping him for it. 428 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: And it's still not over. And now this POC is 429 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: coming to the US. No more cushy peruby in jail 430 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: where he has sex, drugs and booze and free reign 431 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: like he's the King of the idiots. He's coming here, 432 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: and I am not going to be happy till his 433 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: body ass is locked up in a max security federal penitentiary. 434 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: Amen. So don't you think extraditing him to the US 435 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: to face these fraud charges is brilliant because again we 436 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: have been she's healthy, She's going to be a vital 437 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: part of this thing is the victim. You don't want 438 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: to wait till twenty thirty eight or whenever he's released 439 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: from the Peruvian jail. 440 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: Oh No, And that's why that treaty was agreed upon. 441 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: It in two thousand and one between the US and 442 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: Peru allows for this is important temporary extradition. And here 443 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: are the requirements. The individual that is being extradized must 444 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: already be behind bars serving time in Peru. They decide 445 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: if it is a case that needs to be that 446 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: needs extradition, and they work with the US to make 447 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 2: that happen. Typically, as you just pointed out, you have 448 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: to wait until the person finishing is their current sentence 449 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: in the foreign jurisdiction. And when I say foreign, it 450 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: could be another state, but here it actually is foreign, 451 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: it is Peru. You have to wait for them to 452 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: finish their sentence in this foreign jurisdiction and then extradite them. 453 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: Not so with this pact agreed upon in two thousand 454 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: and one US Peru which says your Vanderslute can be 455 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: temporarily extradited. 456 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: There you go. 457 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 2: That's how he's coming here. He's coming to Birmingham on 458 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: essentially two charges, one being wire fraud. He used the wires, 459 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: which is telephone, digital, computer, and telegraph. Anything that you 460 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: use the wire service to can meant a crime that's wirefraud, 461 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 2: like transferring funds to an offshore account illegally for criminal purposes. 462 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: That's wirefraud. You took away all that money and let's 463 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: just say turks and caicos from your drug empire you're 464 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: running in the US. There's wire fraud. This is wirefraud 465 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: and extortion. He told Beth Holloway that he would tell 466 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: her what rip quote really happened to Natalie if she 467 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: would give him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars with 468 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 2: a twenty five thousand dollars down payment. She gave the 469 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: twenty five grand. That's extortion. Though, not only does he 470 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: rape and murder Natalie right there on the beach, And 471 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: if you don't think he strangled her or asphyxiated her, 472 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: then it's still felony murder. He was sex assaulting her 473 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: and she died, text book felony murder. So not only 474 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: did he do that, then he prayed upon her mother, who. 475 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: She got twenty five thousand dollars. She's a school teacher. 476 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: Awful. 477 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Oh, you've already taken the most precious thing from her 478 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: she'll ever have. And I want to tell everybody one 479 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: more thing. As you and me and Beth were sitting 480 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: there in front of the chapel on top of that 481 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: beautiful hill overlooking the Atlantic Ocean. She said something so 482 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: gut wrenching as a mamma to hear that it took 483 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: me a minute before I could speak again. She said 484 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: to us, do you know I have her passport with 485 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: me just in case she carried Niali's passport with her 486 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: at all times? 487 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, you just came to childrops all over my 488 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: whole self, just in case she got a call. Didn't 489 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: matter day or night where Beth would be. If she 490 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: got that call that Nalie had been sound, she would 491 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: have Nowly's passports so she could go and get Nalie 492 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: and bring her home. 493 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for being with us tonight. 494 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: And I just want to say I can't thank Vic 495 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: Powell enough for teaching me that somebody prettier or smarter, 496 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: or more talented or richer should be your friend, not 497 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: somebody you distance yourself from or make fun of. So 498 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate everything that you have meant to me as 499 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: a friend. 500 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: Wait, are you saying I'm pretty ear than you? 501 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is really happening, is absolutely happening. 502 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: You know what's funny? I always wanted dark brown eyes 503 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: and dark hair. Why is it we always want the 504 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: thing we don't have. But you know what, Keith's death 505 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: really taught me something, because every day, Cheryl, I wake 506 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: up at five am and I go outside and I 507 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: look up. This morning, I could see the moon still 508 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: out and the sky was turning blue. I said, Oh, 509 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: Dear God, thank you for another day and all these 510 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: blessings you are rating down on me. You begin to 511 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: look for everything good and don't let anything take away 512 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: your joys. And I got to say, your friendship has 513 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: been one of the most precious things in my life. 514 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm going to end Zone seven the way 515 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: that I always do with a quote. This quote is 516 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: not somebody that was in my Zone seven, but I 517 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: wish they could have been. This quote comes from Harper 518 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: Lee from Taquilla Mockingbird, chapter twenty two. So, after Atticus 519 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: loses the trial of Tom Robinson, his neighbor ms Mardy 520 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: is talking to the children and giving them some cake, 521 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: trying to make them feel better. And she says, and 522 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: I quote, I simply wanted to tell you that there 523 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: are some men in this world who are born to 524 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: do our unpleasant jobs for us, and your father's one 525 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: of them. Nancy Grace and I love this book. We 526 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: have that in common as well. And this quote always 527 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: makes me think of Nancy because when she lost caid, 528 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: she picked up herself and decided to devote the rest 529 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: of her life for fighting for justice. I'm Cheryl McCollum 530 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: and this is his own seven. It's important when you 531 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: think about cold cases, what is the call to action? 532 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: In this case? The call to action is to maintain 533 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: advocacy for Beth Holloway, for Natalie's dad, for Natalie's brother, 534 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: for Natalie's friends that were on the trip with her. 535 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's important when people say, well, he's 536 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: in prison already, why are we wasting taxpayers money to 537 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: get him to Alabama? Are you kidding me? Nobody should 538 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: get away with the murder of anybody. Vandersloot has not 539 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: faced the first charge as it relates to Natalie Holloway, 540 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: and all of us need to have a unified voice 541 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: when he hits American soul that he understands it is 542 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: completely different. Now, welcome to America.