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Speaker 4: Jobber Who were these celebrities before they were famous? What

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Speaker 4: was their life like? What did they do? What about

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Speaker 4: a first job? Some of these celebrities worked in the

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Speaker 4: world of advertising and marketing or had their own upholstery business,

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Speaker 4: and then one day their big break came along and

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Speaker 4: that was it. You know Anthony Michael Hall from movies

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Speaker 4: like National Lampoons, Vacation, Sixteen Candles, The Breakfast Club. But

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Speaker 4: who was he before all that? What was his first job?

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Speaker 4: What was his big break? We're gonna find out. Well,

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Speaker 4: Anthony Michael Hall is my guest this week on Celebrity

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Speaker 5: It's the Celebrity job Or podcast with Jeff Zito. If

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Speaker 5: past episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you pupped.

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Speaker 5: What if these celebrities weren't famous, what would they have become?

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Speaker 5: What was their first job? We're about to find out.

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Speaker 4: Now here's a good here's a great way to break

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Speaker 4: the ice. What if people call you? Do they call

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Speaker 4: you am h, Do they call you Anthony?

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Speaker 3: They called you? What do your friends call you?

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Speaker 1: But give it? First name? Is Mike or Michael. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hear you all three. I get amahs, Michael or Anthony.

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Speaker 1: It's all good.

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Speaker 3: All yeah, nice to meet you too, man.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously I'm a you know, a huge fan,

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Speaker 4: and I've known about you my whole life. I'm having

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Speaker 4: a midlife crisis because I just turned fifty.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever had that midlife crisis

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Speaker 4: at any point, But do you have any do you

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Speaker 4: have any suggestions any way to get.

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Speaker 1: Through that kind of I wouldn't treat it as a crisis,

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Speaker 1: first of all. Well also, I just got a joke too.

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Speaker 1: I'm in show business, so I think every year is

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Speaker 1: a new crisis because you never know where the work's.

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Speaker 3: Coming, right, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit older than you at fifty seven,

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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. Yeah, I would just you know, look

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Speaker 1: at it as a speed bump, not a dead end,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You got to keep rocking

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Speaker 1: and rolling. You're still a young man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know people do say that, but I just don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't see it yet. But we'll get through it.

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Speaker 4: So let me let me ask you this. Michael, can

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Speaker 4: I call you Michael sure man, So let me let

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Speaker 4: me ask you. I do a podcast that's like about

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Speaker 4: celebrities before they were famous and like what their life

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Speaker 4: a really interesting question for you because I feel like

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Speaker 3: When you were what eight years old?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. I did. It's so funny because when

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Speaker 1: I studied the arts. You know. I did everything from

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Speaker 4: You're very first paying gig was being a young Steve

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Speaker 4: Allen in a movie that was like, yeah, because a

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Speaker 4: lot of people's first jobs are you know, the newspaper

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Speaker 3: Yours was in the business as an actor.

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Speaker 1: from there I did commercials and it led to you know,

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Speaker 1: been a long career. So I thank God for that.

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Speaker 1: So when you cut to Roswelt Delirium, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was an amazing experience because some you know, here I

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Speaker 1: the project. But it was great to see these kids.

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Speaker 1: They came to work so prepared, they were so refreshing

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Speaker 1: and they were really prepared. But also just to see

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Speaker 4: So when you're when you're talking about what you're doing

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Speaker 4: other jobs within not just being an actor, but is

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Speaker 4: there other things that you do in this film, Like

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Speaker 4: did you mention directing it?

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Speaker 1: No? No. I produced the film, and I produced it

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Speaker 1: with the filmmaker who's a writer director named Rick Bakewell.

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Speaker 1: So it's both of our companies that came together in

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Speaker 1: my company's Manhattan Films and Rix's Light Force Pictures. So

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Speaker 1: we joined forces and we made this project and we

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Speaker 1: just got this great cast. So we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of really wonderful performances from some really great known actress

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Speaker 1: But primarily it's a bunch of young child actors that

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Speaker 1: did a beautiful job, you know, and if anything, they

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Speaker 1: were reminding us all on set, you know, to kind

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Speaker 1: great to see that from their perspective as they went

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Speaker 3: Over time, do you just pick up.

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Speaker 4: Like you're in the biz, You're in all these films,

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Speaker 4: you're in these commercials, but like overtime in your career

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Speaker 4: has progressed to where it is now you're doing Roswell Delirium,

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Speaker 4: Do you figure out these these other skills of being

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Speaker 4: a film, it's like key grip, best boy. I have

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Speaker 4: no idea what all these little things are. But like

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Speaker 4: do you pick up? Do you pick it up over time?

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Speaker 1: But there's just things that you learn on the job.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, I mean that's one of the things

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Speaker 1: you do learn is when you're working actor. You come

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Speaker 1: you know. So there's a lot so producing is something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've worked with a number of producers over decades,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I had a lot of training on

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Speaker 1: I was going to work and producing my company's second film.

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Speaker 1: You know, so what your experience, what.

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Speaker 4: Is your favorite outside of acting and being in front

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Speaker 1: was going to say my family, because I've become a

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Speaker 1: I have a beautiful wife, and we have a son.

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Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, our son is almost will be two

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Speaker 1: it gives you a fresh perspective on life and not

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Speaker 1: have partners and we're raising funds and you know, full

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Speaker 1: that's the goal, you know, so because I want to

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Speaker 3: What do you think it was that really helped you?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you you've worked in the business for a

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Speaker 4: long time and being persistent, but and I could guess,

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Speaker 4: but I want you to tell me. Was there a

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Speaker 4: you will, that really put you. I mean, you were

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Speaker 4: Look, man, it was a pleasure, and I urge everybody

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Speaker 3: I'm Jeff Zito.

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