1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Morning. Everybody's the j n V. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 2: Charlamagne the God. We are the Breakfast Club. We got 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 2: a special guest in the building. 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 3: Yes we do t I yo. This is a monument's 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 3: occasion because August nineteenth, two thousand and three, the South 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 3: and hip hop shifted forever, indubitably when trap music came out. 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 3: Twenty years of trap music. 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Hip hop is fifty and trap music is twenty. Wow. 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 4: How that feel? Man? 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of hard work paying off, 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 5: you know, And also I think it it feels like 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 5: a lot of stories and experiences and lessons that that 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 5: that were shared by so many people, you know what 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, you know, you have to be relatable 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 5: to sustain for so long. So I mean, I'm just 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 5: happy to be able to speak for people who needed 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 5: to be spoken for. 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: When did you get the deal? 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 4: Right? 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: Because you this Trap Music was actually your second album, 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: say this was the first rolbu Face then you went 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: to Atlantic? When did you actually sign the deal which 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: deal to go to Atlantic to put out trap music? 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: Because I'm asking that because I remember you coming to Columbia, 25 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 3: South Carolina Big DM one on one point three. I 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: might have been doing ten PM to two AM, and 27 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: it was you and c Rod. Yeah, and you had 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: on a great Champion hoodie and you had white labels 29 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: on twenty You had twenty four on a white label CD. Yeah. Yeah, 30 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: And I remember playing it off the CD, like, man, 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: it's hard. But I don't think I think you was 32 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: in between deals at that point. 33 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 4: I believe so, Man, I think that was two thousand 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 4: and two. 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: Yep. 36 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 5: I think I probably I probably would have been working. 37 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 5: We probably would have been working independently two thousand and 38 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 5: two and going into the deal with Atlantic like two 39 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 5: thousand and three. 40 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, did they get it? Yeah? Did they understand what 41 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: you were trying to do? I mean absolutely. 42 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 5: I think the beauty of it is is when when 43 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: we actually came in into contact with Atlantic, we already 44 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 5: had ocean Like, we were already kind of moving around 45 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 5: as you as you just described, getting our records played. 46 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 5: We had you know, mixed tapes that we were pushing around, 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 5: circulating through the communities, and and we was you know, 48 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 5: we was, we was on the road, you know, working 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 5: doing shows consistently like three two to three times a week. 50 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: So I think it was it was a no brainer 51 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 4: by then. 52 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: Now talk about how how it changed Atlanta, music, change 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: music around the world. Talk about that was it was 54 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: that the mindset? 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 5: And why, well, well, I can't necessarily say we went 56 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 5: into it with with the you know, with the definite 57 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 5: intention of such I think. Okay, So when the first 58 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 5: album dropped, I feel like what that did for us, 59 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 5: it allowed us to collect data, you know what I mean? 60 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 5: Because okay, so le Face was dissolved and and la 61 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 5: he came up to the New York and took a 62 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 5: seat as the president of Ariston. That left us at Atlanta. 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 5: In Atlanta, you know, kind of like, okay, what we 64 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 5: do now. But what we realized was they still left 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 5: some you know, a lot of resources and assets for 66 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 5: us to use. So we went to the storage unit, 67 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 5: got all those promotional use only CD We had about 68 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 5: twenty boxes and those and all of the snipes and 69 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 5: you know, the posters and the stickers and stuff. Took them, 70 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 5: got in the cargy on the road, flooded the auc 71 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 5: with them. Found you you know what I'm saying, going 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 5: to Birmingham, Montgomery, Columbia, South Carolina, Tennessee, you know what 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 5: I mean. And what we found was everybody who heard 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 5: it liked it. Everyone who heard on serious fell in 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: love with it. We just had to get more people 76 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 5: to hear it. So what I would do is go 77 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: to the mall are, go to the clubs, go to 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 5: the college campuses. And I know it's a promotional use only, 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 5: but we were selling them. And so the deal was 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 5: I had, you know, I had a little a little model. 81 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 5: I said, hey, listen, man, I'm gonna sit here with 82 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 5: you and listen to it, and if you don't like it, 83 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 5: I'm gonna give your money back. 84 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 4: So we were rolling up schmoke. By the time we 85 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: get through about the second one, they're like, oh, yeah, 86 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: you heard. 87 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 5: And I never had to get nobody the money back. 88 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 5: So we went through all those you know, those hand 89 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 5: in hand FaceTime kind of acts. And the data we 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 5: received was the three songs that people responded to the more, 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 5: let Me Still Okay. 92 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: Dope, Boys in the Trap, do It Baby, Sticky Baby 93 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: that was probably a close for that was one that 94 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: was one in the clubs, do It Baby, stick a 95 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: Baby in panty Popper, panty Popper. 96 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 5: Number one, you got two out of three Okay, Still 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: Ain't forgave myself, Boys in the Trap and Panting Pumper 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 5: number one, Uh do it baby? Were probably a close forth. 99 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 5: But so we learned that that was like, you know, 100 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 5: that was the vibes that they were responded to. That's 101 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 5: what people would gravitating to on the album. So I 102 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 5: with that information, I said, okay, well I could do 103 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 5: a whole album work for this and call it trap music. 104 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: And so going into that next album, that's what we 105 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 5: That's what we did. 106 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: Oh that makes sense. So that so something like stillan 107 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: for gave myself spawned what what what records for trap music? 108 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: I still love you? 109 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: I still love you? Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That 110 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: makes all the sense in the world. All right, So 111 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: after after after I'm serious, what do you think went wrong? 112 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: When I'm serious? 113 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: If anything, I think it was I dropped within a 114 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: transitional period, I believe. You know. 115 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 5: Le Face was an institutional culture, like a real uh 116 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 5: a musician's university. 117 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: So and it was in Atlanta, you. 118 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 119 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 5: So it was real boutique. You know, you could go 120 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 5: in there and have a have a conversation with La 121 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 5: about needing more money for your budget on a video, 122 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 5: needing to get you know, more spins on your record, 123 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 5: you know, just just things that the artists need to 124 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 5: communicate with their label about on the regular you could 125 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 5: actually go in there and talk straight to the decision maker, 126 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 5: you know, without any interference or no no red tape. 127 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 5: And when that transition happened and everything was in New York, 128 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 5: now that was you know, a bit more of a commute. 129 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 5: And I'm sure La was in a position where you know, 130 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 5: he went from being the boss and really answering to 131 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 5: no one to now he's in a position where he 132 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 5: gotta he gotta put up numbers and answer to people, 133 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 5: you know, to justify his position. And so the first 134 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 5: thing he looking to do is, I'm sure go to 135 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 5: the guaranteed hit makers that he already had. I think 136 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 5: Outcast was on deck Tony Braxton, Ussher, you know what 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 5: I mean. So you know this new kid, you know, yeah, yeaheah. 138 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 4: It's cool. 139 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, sure, and let's let's get to the numbers. 140 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 5: And I understand that, you know, at the time, not 141 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 5: so much, but I appreciate. I appreciate that because the 142 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 5: lesson that took from it. You know, we we had 143 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 5: it going the way we anticipated, the way we wanted to. 144 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 5: I don't think we would have you know, been the 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 5: businessman and gained the independence. 146 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: That we did. 147 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: That was really difficult because at that time, I know, 148 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: New York was heavy, right, that's when DMX was out 149 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: at that time. 150 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: Sure, I think a job rule was smoking was fifty 151 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: smoking in two thousand and. 152 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: One, the mix tape stuff. But Rockefeller was real big 153 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: at that time. Was that very difficult to break in 154 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: during that time? 155 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. 156 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 5: I think the South's advantage was our ways we could 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 5: do numbers on just in the South. You know what 158 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 5: I mean, of course, was what we needed. You know, 159 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 5: what we needed to broaden our reach to New York 160 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 5: for was more like visibility. But once you became known 161 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 5: and and and sought after in the South, and then 162 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 5: the mean whiz right there. So you know, you got 163 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 5: artists like you know, ghetto boys U GK, you know 164 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 5: what I mean, like eight ball, MJG. You know, certain 165 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 5: people that just did numbers only focusing on the South. 166 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: Uh So I never felt, you know that it would 167 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 5: have been difficult to to really make a dent. I 168 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 5: just knew, you know, in order to kind of like 169 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 5: you know, get MTV or get covers of the source 170 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 5: or you know what I'm saying stuff like that, that's 171 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 5: what we kind of needed. 172 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 4: New York for. 173 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: And what made you do that? 174 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: Because because back then doing the clubs in New York, 175 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: a lot of Southern artists, you wouldn't see like a 176 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: lot of those artists that you just named, I've never. 177 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: Seen in the club, but I would see you in 178 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: the club. 179 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: Years later. 180 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: I would see like your jeezy's in the club. But 181 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: what made you say Now I got to attack everywhere 182 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: and attack every club and attack every But it was. 183 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 5: That that wasn't that wasn't a stress. I mean I 184 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 5: never really made a conscious effort to do anything. I 185 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 5: just I just I just went and reached the people 186 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 5: wherever we was at, you know what I mean, Like 187 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 5: if we had meetings in New York and the club 188 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 5: going on in New York. But I don't have uh, 189 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 5: I have a familiarity with the city. I gotta dual citizenship, you. 190 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. 191 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I come up here and move around, 192 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 5: uh you know, effortlessly. I ain't really I wasn't really 193 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 5: tripping though of it. Your father from here, well he 194 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 5: moves here, you know what I mean, he from He 195 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 5: from Atlanta, but he moved here when he was like 196 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 5: twenty in the fifties. Yeah, and he uh had been 197 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 5: up here all my life until he passed. 198 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: You know, man, the reason I loved this conversation because 199 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 3: you know, the older we get, we really got to 200 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: start preserving culture and start really putting the proper narratives 201 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: out there. Trap music is so important, and it's one 202 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 3: of the reasons I got you on the Mount Rushmore 203 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: the South period, because there was no people was using 204 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: the term trap but not to say this is trap 205 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: music before trap music when it comes to people like 206 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: you know, drama and just the way even Gez did 207 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: the mixtape thing you did that. 208 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I had I had some uh I had. 209 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 4: I mean I laid some some fundamental work. 210 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the streetsballume one through one through one through three, 211 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: you know, and there's no g Z, there's no Gucci, 212 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: there's no future, There's there's not that shift in Atlanta 213 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 3: sound without TI and trap music. And I think that 214 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: needs to be stated. 215 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 4: That's that's you know, I'm humbled by that. I'm humbled 216 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: by that. I mean, I think, man, you. 217 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 5: Know, everybody plays a part and it has a position, 218 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 5: and I just did my part, you know what I'm saying. 219 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: I had no idea to what I was doing with 220 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 5: means so much to so many, so many people would 221 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 5: be able to relate and correspond with their own contributions 222 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 5: that would reach the masses and turn into what's turned 223 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 5: into today. It's just, you know, it's just a blessing 224 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 5: to be, you know, to be a piece of such 225 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 5: a magnificent machine. 226 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: Do you think you're the first to do what we 227 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 3: know is trap music or the first to label it 228 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: is trap music? 229 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 5: I mean, well, definitely the first to label it is 230 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 5: trap music. And of course we've all heard, you know, 231 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 5: songs about drugs and drug. 232 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 3: Dealers, but you know, with the. 233 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 5: With the extra special attention to the details of the nuances, 234 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 5: I think, you know, that's kind of I give you 235 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 5: an example. 236 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: You've heard about You've heard records about. 237 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 5: Rappers rapping about being hit me or carrying out howmicide 238 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 5: and so on and so forth. 239 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: But we have never heard like. 240 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 5: The attention to detail of the nuances the way we 241 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 5: did when Scuffey said, never seen a man crack till 242 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 5: I see what I man like getting into like you know, 243 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 5: go and scratching beneath the surface, and you know, lifting 244 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 5: up layers to find that, like what's in the heart 245 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 5: and the mindset? And you know what level of consciousness 246 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: are these people on when they making these decisions, and 247 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 5: how does it affect them and their families? You know 248 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like all of those things, I don't think, 249 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 5: you know, with the extra special attention to detail, I 250 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 5: don't think it has been kind of presented that way. 251 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, you know, why did you see 252 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: it so as important to make sure people knew about 253 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: it right? 254 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: Because you know, fifty years of hip hop was a 255 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and. 256 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: There's so many people that don't know about hip hop, 257 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: how it was created, where it was created, or anything 258 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: like that, how the first sound, the first group to 259 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: go platinum, in the first. 260 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 3: Group to be on the top forty. 261 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: But you thought about this years ago, which is probably 262 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: why you created the Trap Museum where people can actually 263 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: see the history of what it is and they can 264 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 2: actually know the knowledge. Why did you see that so 265 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: early for people to make sure they have that knowledge, 266 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: they understand that they. 267 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 4: Know I mean, well a few things. So one we 268 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 4: were we were. 269 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 5: My man may know, Hey, for what was We was 270 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 5: brainstorming and collaborating no ideas of how to celebrate the 271 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 5: fifteenth year anniversary of trap music, and you know, we 272 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 5: wanted to do something different, not just a show we 273 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 5: perform and this, that and the other. We wanted to 274 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 5: really really commemorate it with something substantial. 275 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: U And one of the you know, one of the 276 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: over the top. 277 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 5: Ambitious ideas in the room was a museum, a trap 278 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 5: music museum. 279 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: And I love the name. It just has sort of 280 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: a ring to it. 281 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 5: But I couldn't wrap my mind around because when I'm 282 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: thinking of the museum, I'm thinking of Smithsonian, you know 283 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like, I'm thinking something a lot more grandiose. 284 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 5: And then I started looking at other types of museums. 285 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 5: You know, they had these pop up museums. You know, 286 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 5: they might just go to a storefront and do a 287 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 5: pop up museum. And so at that point, simultaneously, I 288 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 5: was also acquiring commercial. 289 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 4: Real estate in the city. So I just bought this building. 290 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do with it. 291 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 5: I was gonna it was so so I bought it 292 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 5: because it was so close to the stadium, the Mercedes 293 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: Being's done and the super Bowl was coming, and I figured, Okay, 294 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 5: we could use this building, probably lease it out to 295 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 5: ESPN and Fox Sports infl something like that, get some 296 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 5: quick money. But then as I started walking around it, 297 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: I was like, nah, you know what, it could be 298 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: a museum. And you know, I think that's kind of 299 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 5: when it came to life when I when I heard 300 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 5: the idea and I dismissed it, it was like, that'll 301 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 5: never have it. Then I walked in the building after 302 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 5: I just bought it, and the idea was just in 303 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 5: my head and I was walking around kind of envisioning, Okay, 304 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 5: yeah we could And I think that's the And and 305 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 5: also it was around the time where there was a 306 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 5: lot of questions and a lot of you know, speculation 307 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 5: floating around in the air back who did and didn't 308 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 5: you know, have you know, the the a hand in 309 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 5: creating trap music? 310 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: Who who was and wasn't responsible? 311 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 5: So I felt like it was a teachable moment, uh 312 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 5: And you know, and nothing like only a food disputes facts. 313 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: That's another thing. You was early on real estate finish 314 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: and I just know that for handing in your wraps 315 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: and I remember it was a it was something you 316 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: did on MTV one time when you were showing people. 317 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 4: Around and showed the houses and whatnot. 318 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: How did you know that you want to invest in 319 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: Atlanta way back then? 320 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: Man? To be honest, man in Atlanta. You know, the 321 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 4: one thing that we have. 322 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 5: I feel like they probably set such apart from a 323 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 5: lot of cities is examples of entrepreneurship in our communities, 324 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 5: not just famous people, not just rich people. We have 325 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 5: examples of entrepreneurship and how to take take funds. Instead 326 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 5: of most people say, okay, you put this much in 327 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 5: your checking this much in your savings, and well the 328 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 5: money they're post to go in the savings, we go 329 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 5: put it in. We buy a house and flip the 330 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 5: house and take the proface and do some more stuff 331 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 5: with it. 332 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: And you know what I mean. And you know, we 333 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 4: learned from people like Ceball. 334 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 5: We learned from people like Cherry, my Pops, his brothers, 335 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 5: my uncles, you know, Dereck Dials. There's so many people 336 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 5: in the community that you know, just laid the fundamental 337 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 5: groundwork of of of what to do when you get 338 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 5: the money, you know what I mean. And when I 339 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 5: first got my piece of paper, my first piece of paper, 340 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: my uncle he was getting out of prison, and you know, 341 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 5: he just hit me up for forty thousand. I ain't 342 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 5: have a sixty, you know, but he was just coming home, 343 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 5: and you know, I didn't even think about it. I 344 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 5: gave it to him, just gave it to him to give. 345 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: It was invest in his nun. 346 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 5: Well, he just asked for it, I tell you, so 347 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 5: I gave it to him, and I went and took 348 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 5: the rest and did what I needed to do. 349 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 3: For myself. 350 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 5: And then, like I say, maybe four to six months later, 351 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 5: he took me to a house I used to see 352 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 5: a dope and out of it. 353 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 4: You know, I looked at it. I was like, damn, 354 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 4: they got off. They got off the dope. He was like, man, 355 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 4: now now they ain't in no no more. I bought 356 00:17:59,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 4: that house. 357 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 5: What that money you gave me? And we we, uh, 358 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 5: this is what we did, you know what I mean. 359 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 5: We renovated it, sold it. It's a family living in there. 360 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 5: And that made me feel good. And he said, well, 361 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 5: now I can give you money back, and I reached 362 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 5: for He said, or we can get another house, you know, 363 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 5: and he said I might be able to get two 364 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 5: houses in there. So we got two houses after that 365 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 5: and then we started doing duplexes, triplexes, and for you 366 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 5: know it, we had. 367 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 4: Them built a hundred houses. Dam yeah, before the crash 368 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 4: of the market. 369 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 5: The thing is, though, after I seen that house, you know, 370 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 5: it was renovated and the family was in there, came 371 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 5: back maybe I guess maybe ten to sixteen months later, 372 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 5: and the how we're back dilapidated ran down again. I said, Man, 373 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 5: we're gonna have to we have to work faster than this. So, 374 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 5: I mean, that's you know, that's what got me into 375 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 5: commercial real estate, multi families and so on and so forth. 376 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: Is it hard to celebrate the twenty anniversary of trap 377 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: music without having two pill was around you, like Phiel 378 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: and Likely. 379 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's it's hard not to celebrate it, 380 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, because you know, all the 381 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 5: work we put in and everything that that that we 382 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 5: that we that we hustle for and fought for. Uh, 383 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 5: you know, it's commemorated with with the celebration to trap me. 384 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 5: There will be memorialized with the celebration. 385 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: M hmm. Let's let's go through some of the songs. Man. 386 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: I just want to know when when I say these songs, 387 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: I want to know what you think from the album 388 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: I Can't Quit. What was your mind state when you 389 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: recorded that? Mmm? 390 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 5: I wrote that song? I think I wrote that song. 391 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 5: Uh like around the time that I left. Uh did 392 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 5: I that I that I left Aristra? 393 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 394 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 5: And you know it was I would really, you know, 395 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 5: just just speaking to myself, you know what I mean. 396 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 5: Sometimes you know Bravado was just self reassurance. 397 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 4: You did, so I was, you know, I was just 398 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 4: putting all the proper energy and my my self talk. 399 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: You did. 400 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 4: And I think I think it was delivered as a 401 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 4: as a masterful. 402 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 3: Message about no more talk, no more talk. 403 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 5: Well that I think, man, if I'm not mistaken, there 404 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 5: was a lot of I was watching like some conspiras. 405 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: I was watching some conspiracy documentaries and reading I was 406 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 5: also reading Behold the Pale Horse at the time, and 407 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, I was, you know, just 408 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 5: just sharing some knowledge that I gathered for myself. And 409 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 5: it was a dope ad beat, you know what I mean. 410 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: What's your favorite song on trap music? 411 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: Man, it's hard to pick favorites. 412 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: I said. 413 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: At the very top of the list though, will have 414 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 4: to be just doing my job. 415 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: Doing my job? What was your mind state when he 416 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: was doing that one? 417 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: Man, Man, Kanye, I. 418 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Want to break down, cause you got you got a 419 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: lot of producers on that. Kanye produced that one. 420 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 3: Of course, you got a lot of classes on That's 421 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 3: why I keep telling y'all start playing with him. When 422 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: y'all be mentioning these New York artists and the verses 423 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: against Tip tip On embarrassed. 424 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: A lot of these people about the verses, I said 425 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: that didn't fit. 426 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, yeah, I mean. 427 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 4: I went to the show last night. You go to 428 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 4: show the fifty years. It was dope. 429 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 5: It was dope, But I think that the maindstate with 430 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 5: just doing my job. So he already had the beat 431 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 5: with the with the hook. 432 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: Playing and just doing my job. 433 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 5: To me, it immediately took me back to when I 434 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 5: was trapping in the apartments, Me and my partners, like 435 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 5: we did. None of us live in these apartments. We'll 436 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 5: just come here to conduct that business. And a lot 437 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 5: of the the tenants of the apartments, you know, a 438 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 5: lot don't very cool with us, you know majority, But 439 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 5: you had about four or five that'll walk by and 440 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 5: they just look at us like with a side I 441 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 5: will speak, they wouldn't speak back, you know what I mean, 442 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 5: And they had just had uh a disdain for us, 443 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 5: and you know, I kind of could understand. But at 444 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 5: the same time, I was like, you know, if you 445 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 5: just really got to got to know, you know, any 446 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 5: of us and had a conversation, you'll probably realize that 447 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 5: we ain't no different from your nephews, your brother, your 448 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 5: little brothers or sons and so on and so forth. 449 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 5: We just find ourselves and in extreme, extremely dire circumstances 450 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 5: and you know, are we trying to do well? 451 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 4: Find a way out? 452 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: M And. 453 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 5: I just never I never got a chance to have 454 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 5: that conversation. And I felt like there were other people 455 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 5: in my position that probably felt the same way, and 456 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 5: they would probably you know. 457 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: Uh benefit from the conversation as well. 458 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 459 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 4: And the beat felt perfect, you know, for for the 460 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 4: for for the delivery of dialogue. 461 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 3: I wasn't working with with a young Kanye back then. 462 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: Kanye were cool to hell, man, I ain't even gonna 463 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 4: capt uh Kanye was he was. 464 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 5: How can I say, like like he was more conversational, 465 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying? Like he he he read 466 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 5: the room a lot better. You know, it feels like yay, 467 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 5: you know, it felt like ya. You know, he got 468 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 5: to a point where he just stopped reading the room 469 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: and just gave everything everywhere, you know what I mean. 470 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 5: But he was he was very excited. That was the 471 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 5: first time he played like through the Wire and and 472 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 5: and Jesus Walks and all fall down. So he played 473 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 5: all those records for us, and he was just so 474 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 5: excited playing it like now this one, this one gonna 475 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 5: this what we're gonna do with this one? 476 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: And you know, and I'm listening it. When I heard 477 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: Jesus walk, I say, man, he's gonna do either do 478 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 4: very well extremely bad. 479 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: Is a religious aspect to it? 480 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously the former rather than the latter, 481 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 5: But yeah, I just felt like, you know, man, religion 482 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 5: and corporations don't tend to mix, right, But you know, 483 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 5: he he he put it, he put his mix on 484 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 5: it and and it went there. Uh that's how. So 485 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 5: we took Kanye to body Tap Lord a mercy. We 486 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 5: took Kanye to body tap Man. 487 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 3: You lost his mind. 488 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 4: He ain't never seen. 489 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 3: Nothing like it. 490 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: He ain't never seen nothing like it. 491 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask with all of the producers with 492 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: tomb and David Banner. 493 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, break down, jazzy fade, breakdown working with some of 494 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: those producers at that time. 495 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 4: With DJ tomb Man, that's you know, that's that's that's 496 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 4: my doctor. 497 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, doctor Dred your sloop. 498 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 5: That's definitely, that's definitely my mentor. And you know, most 499 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 5: of the beasts that I got from Tomb I got 500 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 5: from this. They came straight out of health because Tom 501 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 5: used to cut my help and so I go get 502 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 5: a hair cut and he'll be having beats playing. That's 503 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 5: the best way do you stuck in the chair for 504 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 5: an hour, You're gonna listen to these beats for the 505 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: next album. 506 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 4: Well, nah, he wasn't really playing the beats for me. 507 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 4: You know, he was making beats and you know, like 508 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 4: you know how he might. He would be working on 509 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 4: the beat. I come to the door, he'll come answer 510 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: the door, the beat still playing, and while he cutting 511 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 4: my hair, you know, the beat just still playing. And 512 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 4: you know, I remember that's how I heard twenty fold 513 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 4: and and be Easy Too. And you know I was like, hey, man, 514 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 4: what's that And he'll say, Man, that ain't finished. I said, yeah, 515 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 4: they'll get to me, and I take it and you know, 516 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 4: I whip it up the next day and you know, 517 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: the rest was history. 518 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: You know what you put your flag down to on 519 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: that album as the King of the South. 520 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was on the first album. 521 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 5: Actually, actually, the first time I even mentioned or made 522 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 5: mad made mention of the monacle was the song with 523 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 5: me and Beanie Siegel two glock nines on the Sheriff Sound. Yeah, 524 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 5: and you know, it never really, it never really. It 525 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 5: wasn't as personal to me. It didn't mean anything for 526 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 5: real until people started saying I couldn't say it. 527 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, you know that's but nobody has said it 528 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: before exactly. So it's like somebody, nobody ever laid claim 529 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 3: to this beautiful region. You know what I mean that 530 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 3: we called it South. 531 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's I mean, you know what, that's what 532 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 5: That's what brought about. Uh, that's what brought about. The 533 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 5: epiphany that that came was when when I was listening 534 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 5: to I Believe Mysticals, He's called the Prince. 535 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: So I looked at KP. I say, if he's the prince, 536 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: who's the king? And then you know, we just had 537 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 4: like that a silence as we both were thinking. Then 538 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 4: we both looked at each other, and he said, I bitch, 539 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 4: you want, I say the hell I want. 540 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: With the debating the studio about who actually was at 541 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: the moment. 542 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. It was a debate back who would actually 543 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 4: have a problem. 544 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: With it being said, Yeah, you know what I mean, 545 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: But did you know everybody was gonna have a problem 546 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: with it at one time? 547 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 548 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: Oh you doing? Yeah? 549 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you know, I mean that man that 550 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 5: intrigued me, you know what I'm saying, because I always 551 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 5: felt like, well, first of all, in my heart of hearts, 552 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 5: I just didn't want it to be somebody that I 553 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 5: really respected, you know what I'm saying. 554 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: I didn't want I didn't want to offend Yeah, you 555 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: know Outcast, get Hi mob, ugk Abob, MJG, you know 556 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 4: Luke and two Lacker. 557 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 5: I didn't want to like offend people who I actually 558 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 5: had an affinitive for with anybody in my class, I wanted. 559 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 4: I wanted all to smoke, you know. And so I 560 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 4: had conversations with you know, my my predecessors. 561 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 5: You know, I spoke the Big and Dre from Outcast, 562 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 5: I spoke the face, I spoke the Bun, I spoke 563 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 5: the ball and G. You know, what I mean, everybody 564 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 5: who I had access to I spoke to him, and 565 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 5: you know, and all the ogs told me the same thing. Man, 566 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 5: do that ship now now, you know, I think Dre 567 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 5: said something like, what does it really mean to be king? 568 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 4: You know? Face was like, man, I don't want to 569 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: be king. You can add that ship, bro, And. 570 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 5: Big Big Big said, well, you know, now it sounds 571 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 5: like some cool shit to say, but to be king 572 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 5: put the bulls out on you. You know, the object 573 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 5: of the game of chance is to kill the king. 574 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 5: Which way I got the title for my last album 575 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 5: and he said, you can't be looking for no favors. 576 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 5: I said, well, but you ain't got a problem with 577 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 5: it though, right ship. I went on did my thing 578 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 5: from there. That was all I needed. 579 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: And also to y'all, you had the song t I 580 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: versus T I P on that album. You know that's 581 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: that's that's like a lot of what's the word for? 582 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: What's the word foreboding? Not foreboding? Come on you the 583 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: vocabulary guy, I don't know what you came out an 584 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: album later called T I versus T I P. 585 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 4: Shadowing shadowing. 586 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: That was for boating. 587 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: I don't know man, word even talk a motive boat. 588 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: But you knew back then there was a duality. 589 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, Well, to be honest with you, there was 590 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 5: a a conflicting nature and the world I was leaving, 591 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 5: in the world I was entering, and what I had learned, 592 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 5: and how I had learned to carry myself and and 593 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 5: and and treat situations, and the world I was exiting, 594 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 5: and the way I had to learn to carry myself 595 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 5: in the world I was entering. So a lot of 596 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 5: times those things contrasted, and a lot of times they 597 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 5: were conflicting, and a lot of times I was torn, 598 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. A lot of times you 599 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 5: know too, there's some things that I would have to 600 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 5: do coming into this world, and I feel like, man, this. 601 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: Is the exact opposite of. 602 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 5: What I learned, you know, and in my teachings. But 603 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 5: I I I caught on fast the things I was taught. 604 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 5: I had acquired, you know, sets of skills that that 605 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 5: that I would no longer be able to use, you 606 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 5: know what I mean? 607 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 4: Uh? 608 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 5: And so that that that cause for a duality or 609 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 5: a juxtaposition that I think that it's that narrative. It 610 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 5: makes for a great conversation and great dialogue in music. 611 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 3: I don't feel like you learned that lesson around trap 612 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: music though. 613 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 4: It took a while for really, but that's the beginning 614 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 4: of the less. 615 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: Got. How was the stand up comedy going? 616 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 5: Man, it's going good, Man, it's going good. Uh, you 617 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 5: know we're selling that. We just sold that. I think 618 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 5: it's Jacksonville comed his own for what is it? Two 619 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 5: for six shows? We going to uh helium and in Philly. 620 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 5: Gonna be in Philly, uh doing some more comedy. We 621 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 5: got offers for tours the comic View, right, Oh yeah, 622 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 5: just did comic View in Vegels. 623 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm enjoying it. Bro. It's it's a high level 624 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 4: of piece. It ain't the same doing it without Clay 625 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 4: with it it's you know, it's still it's still dope. 626 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: Have you have you that with with that, with the 627 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: with the loss of Clay? What you mean just inn 628 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: like as far as grieving, like. 629 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 4: Well, I mean the question becomes like, you know, when 630 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 4: do you really completely finish grieving? 631 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with somebody like that who's day. 632 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 4: To day in the action, Like when do you really 633 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 4: like when do you say it's over? When do you 634 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 4: say okay, it's complete? 635 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 5: I feel like that's an ongoing process. 636 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: It is like you probably reach for your phone probably 637 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 3: certain things pop up, like. 638 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 4: Man, somebody call clear and you're like, yeah, I've done 639 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 4: that several times, you know, but you you. 640 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 5: You you just try to remember as much as you 641 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 5: learn from that person, remember as many memories as you 642 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 5: can of time shared with that person, and and remember 643 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 5: the the things that you all intended to do together. 644 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 4: And you got to be very intentional about carrying those things. 645 00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: One of the things. 646 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 5: So you know, Clay and that we out man, all 647 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 5: of us, but he and I especially we we we 648 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 5: we had a pat and it was whoever died first. 649 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 5: They would get in front of of of the church 650 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 5: over the casket and say the up. 651 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 4: And that's and that's what I did. 652 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Uh And and I think, 653 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: how did that go over? Because I saw, I saw, 654 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: I saw everybody in the circle knew and laughed. Yeah, 655 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: like the rest of the church was. 656 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 4: Like what that's right? 657 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 5: But nah, man, I think you know, but that's how 658 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 5: we was, man, you know, our sense of human We 659 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 5: kind of laughed our way. I remember like when Field 660 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 5: when Field had uh got when they just announced he 661 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 5: he had passed, and. 662 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 4: You know, me and Clay, you know, we was we 663 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 4: was joking, you know, we was like laughing about you know, 664 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 4: just how he you know he was he was probably 665 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: looking at us right now, you know what I'm saying 666 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 4: Now Now I think we say, yeah, he's probably in 667 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 4: the room right now. 668 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 5: You've been that, You've been that cry, been that crash 669 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 5: straight up, and we were, you know, we started laughing. 670 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 5: And I think, once you have experienced so many tragic moments, 671 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 5: you know, you got to find some humor to deliver 672 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 5: yourself some form of peace. And that's what we always did, so, 673 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 5: you know, and honor, we're gonna continue to do that. 674 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 3: I was wondering if the PSC collective, I guess you 675 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 3: call it a reunion. I was wondering if y'all coming 676 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: together to do a new album. I was wondering if 677 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: that was because of Clay's passing, or were y'all working 678 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 3: on that before. 679 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 5: Nah, Man, it was really man, to be honest with you, brother, 680 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 5: DJ Holliday. Man, Yeah, DJ Holliday came to me and 681 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 5: he asked me about doing a PSC show. 682 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 3: To commemorate the versary of twenty. 683 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 4: Five of life. And you know, I was like, man, 684 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think nobody want to do it. 685 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 4: You know, I see. 686 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 5: Then I start, you know, I just kind of put 687 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 5: it in the group chat that we got, and you know, 688 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 5: just slowly everybody just start saying, well, I don't know, 689 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 5: you know, we'll see perhaps. Then it came around like that. 690 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 5: You know, drou had really really like did a transformation 691 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 5: of hisself and and that made everyone feel good. Everybody 692 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 5: was proud of that, and and I think that probably 693 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 5: was the the key component and made everybody say, you 694 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 5: know what, let's try this again. And you know it's 695 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 5: been going well. You know, we got a lot of 696 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 5: dope music. Everything is everything coming together. 697 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 3: Ya gonna put out an Indus Street, So it's gonna 698 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 3: be an album. 699 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 5: I think so drummers, he wanted to do it. You 700 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 5: wanted to do a gangster grills, So I believe it. 701 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 5: I think it would be an in the street that 702 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 5: makes sense. 703 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: And your son's doing music. Do they want to hear 704 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: Dad's game or do they just want to figure it 705 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: out on their own? 706 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 5: I mean, man, it's different, different decisions for different situations. 707 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 3: Uh. 708 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 4: I think they listened to me, but they may not 709 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 4: put it into action immediately. 710 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 5: You know, I think they still stubbornly tried they way, 711 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 5: just like Daddy. I ain't nobody telling me nothing, you 712 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. 713 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 4: That was a little different. 714 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 5: I don't think anybody that was around me, especially at 715 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 5: their age, could show me how to do what I 716 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 5: was trying to do. 717 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 4: But I probably wouldn't have listened anyway. 718 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 3: I feel like if a song like be better than Me, 719 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 3: that was even back then. 720 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that they do the best they can, 721 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 5: and I think they get better at it is the 722 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 5: years go on. You know, because I listened to the 723 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 5: Money some of his songs. Things I told him I 724 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 5: thought he wasn't listening at all, and I hear hear 725 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 5: the music. 726 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I hear it and hear it in the music, 727 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 4: and you know that that that puts me a piece 728 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 4: in them, you know. Okay, so he can hear right. 729 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, we have Boosy up here, and he said 730 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: that you guys spoke. 731 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 3: We were grateful for that. You guys have partners for 732 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 3: a long time. 733 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, we spoke, man, we spoke. I mean, man, I 734 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 5: don't to be honest with you, brother, I don't take 735 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 5: much personal. You know what I mean, I don't really 736 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 5: take a whole lot personal, and I think that's the 737 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 5: reason why, you know, like a lot of stuff just 738 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 5: ain't important to me. You did, like in the moment, 739 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 5: if I consume myself with it, you know, I have 740 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 5: some momentary. 741 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 4: Reaction, But like when I really like, just. 742 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 5: How can I say, when I meditate on it and 743 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 5: like really really get get off the phone and get 744 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 5: into my real life, it dissipates. 745 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 4: They don't have any any true value at all, you know. 746 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 4: And there there are no. 747 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 5: Stakes, you know what I'm saying, There's no consequence, so 748 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 5: it shouldn't really be no emotion behind it. However, you know, 749 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 5: once we did talk and I shared with him, you 750 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, with the validity of the facts, 751 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 5: you know, I think I think he kind of he 752 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 5: kind of reached his own conclusion, and you know that 753 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 5: was really enough for me. 754 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 4: I wasn't tripping enough for it, you know what I mean. 755 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: I feel like you've disconnected from the social media where 756 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ben intential. 757 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 4: A semi So my phone broke, man, my phone broke and. 758 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 5: I was without a phone for about you know, two 759 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 5: and a half through, okay, so firm my phone broke and. 760 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 4: You know if your phone break like around, it broke 761 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 4: like six six thirty. So it wasn't no, it wasn't 762 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 4: no phone. So I had to wait. And then the 763 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 4: next day I had to go to Canada, so I 764 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 4: couldn't get a phone. 765 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 3: In and uh, I believe. 766 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 5: Then I had a phone, but I had to go 767 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 5: to Anguilla, so I got so I had a new phone, 768 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 5: but I needed my old phone to get the chip 769 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 5: out of it. 770 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 4: So I had like two. 771 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 5: Weeks without a phone, and you liked it. Yeah, by 772 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 5: the time I got back, I had a phone. Then 773 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 5: I seen, like you know what I'm saying it when 774 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 5: I go to so this is my new phone. 775 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 4: When I go to Instagram, don't oh got you? 776 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 3: Got you? Got you? 777 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 4: So I got to go through the trouble of fixing 778 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 4: it and getting in in and now I don't. I 779 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 4: ain't gonna do that. So I'm just you know, I'm 780 00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 4: just living. 781 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: With what's around me at the I love me some 782 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 3: damn man, Guilla man. Yeah. 783 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh they told me, yes, stayed right there where 784 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 4: you stayed. 785 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 3: You know what? That was crazy? Yeah? When when was this? 786 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 4: This was julyast fourteenth through the twenty. 787 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 3: Oh this year. 788 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just left. 789 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 3: I know, I told you that I left on the tenth. 790 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 3: You just said it three times. 791 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 4: You know. 792 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 3: It's crazy though. Also this year I was in Saint 793 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 3: Lucia and then one of the car services, me and 794 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 3: my wife got in this sad grand hustle on the 795 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 3: back and I said, man, Tip would love this, he said, 796 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 3: I just dropped dropped them off, like what the day 797 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 3: before we island happened. 798 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, but but Despatch, you stayed at Man, it was 799 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 5: it was, it was already gone. 800 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 4: I had to get the one behind you. 801 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 3: Man, let's bite, let's do it. I'm dead serious. You 802 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 3: know it's for sale. 803 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 4: No I didn't. They didn't share that with me. 804 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 3: I wanted I just need somebody to do it. You 805 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 3: want to talk about the one that you was in, 806 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 3: the one either one day the same thing as this 807 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 3: one up we talked about quite because the one got 808 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 3: a master bedroom. 809 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 4: Now, but I mean all of them have a massive 810 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 4: but I'm talking about yours. The what you was in. 811 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 4: It's more the architecture is much different. 812 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 3: They a little bit. 813 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 4: It's a little traditional, a little more, a little more family. 814 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 3: Staff, yeah, but the second floor got got a whole 815 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 3: master bedroom, the one, the one in the other one, 816 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 3: all the rooms individuals. This one got a big you know, 817 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 3: they knocked out a wall. 818 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: And then combined to room and listen to this and 819 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: buy in front of you. 820 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 3: I don't know what we're talking about. 821 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: They do talk about it, like what's the house. 822 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 3: That I don't know what we're talking about. They don't 823 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 3: know what we're talking about. 824 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: Twenty year man, twenty years of trap music. 825 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: Man, we appreciate you so much, brother, No, no, I 826 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 3: really we really got to start preserving history, man. And 827 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 3: the fifty years of hip hop made me think about that. 828 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 3: But you know, just also what I saw them do 829 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 3: with whole, with the book a whole, and I just 830 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 3: feel like there's so many false narratives online and people 831 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 3: trying to rewrite history. It's like, yeah, we really got 832 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 3: to let people know who started, you know, who's the 833 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 3: foundation of a lot of this stuff that we love 834 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 3: called in this culture called hip hop. Yeah, that's true. 835 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 5: And how long y'all been doing? How long has Breakfast 836 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 5: Club been been in existence? 837 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 4: Thirteen years years, thirteen years this year? So what's your 838 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 4: what's your anniversary? Date December December one on fourteen December, 839 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 4: who December twenty third, right round Christmas time? 840 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: Around Christmas time? 841 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 3: Okay, you know something what y'all do to celebrate nothing? Nothing. 842 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 3: We've been thinking about some stuff that we want to do, 843 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 3: something called the young Old g Ball. Okay, with that consistence, 844 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 3: it's a bunch of people our age will get together, 845 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 3: have some good grown folks, funky like a big party 846 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 3: with people dress up like like really put it on. 847 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: Man. 848 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 4: I know that this may be a little overplayed. 849 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 5: Uh, it may sound somewhat cliche, but to commemorate the 850 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 5: breakfast club thinking a dope ass brunch, I'm with it. 851 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 4: The dope ass brunch, the break the break club or 852 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 4: you know what that week now Hannah she she now 853 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 4: Hannah had This was before you guys. 854 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 3: Hannah had a party that she did for me. 855 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 5: Every year for my birthday. And it was basically, uh, 856 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,720 Speaker 5: we'll go out, you know and do like the invitation 857 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 5: only thing. Then we'll go to you know, Magic City 858 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 5: or something like that. After that, she'll like get a 859 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 5: presidential suite and put branch tables in it, and from 860 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 5: like three thirty in the morning to noon we'll have 861 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,479 Speaker 5: a branch and it'll be called the Breakfast Club. 862 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Hannah, let's do it. 863 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 5: Maybe, you know, y'all contact Hannah and see if she can, 864 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 5: you know, reinstall the breakfast. 865 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 2: You know what I wanted to do too for my car. 866 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 2: So what I do is I recreate the room. Okay, 867 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 2: this room, this room with the chairs in the background. 868 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 2: People love taking pictures, so I wanted to do something 869 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 2: like that with people can actually come and do their 870 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 2: own breakfast club thing, you know, whether they taping. 871 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 3: Or something like that. 872 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 2: I mean, we ain't part of Trapp, but we would 873 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 2: love to do like a little baby, like a little 874 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 2: section in the Trap Music We didn't have Mad Trap all. 875 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 4: This all that I would love. I would love that, y'all. 876 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 4: You know we are we got uh they do big bank, 877 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 4: big facts. They do big facts, uh at the at 878 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 4: the Trap Music Museum. But I think that we can 879 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 4: find as a matter of fact, that y'all just gave 880 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 4: me another great idea. You on real estate. When one 881 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 4: of those buildings you got, man, just do a partcare room, 882 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Dress them up. 883 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 5: However, y'all want to dress them up? Let folks pay 884 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 5: y'all hour the Raised Daily Raised. 885 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 4: To come in there. Maybe you can have some classes. 886 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, My guys, Big Facts man 887 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 3: to be on the Black. 888 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 4: Effect and y'all got eighty five South too, eighty five 889 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 4: South and Big Fact and you know we are so 890 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 4: we are all death Digital. You know what I'm saying. 891 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 4: We kind of optimized the cpns that people get for 892 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 4: their streams on YouTube. So you know, we work hand 893 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 4: in hand cohesively on a lot of things together. 894 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, ladies and gentlemen's t I. 895 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 3: It's the breakfast club one thing. Are you gonna do 896 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 3: some type of show for trap music? Uh? 897 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think King King is King is Uh, he's 898 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 5: he's he's doing he's doing something man, and so far 899 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 5: he got he got boosting TUD and he's asking me 900 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 5: to come. 901 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it. 902 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 3: Makes sense to think about it. 903 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 4: Telling me how to make sure you got some insurance man, 904 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 4: you know. 905 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 5: But yeah, he said he wanted to, Uh he say 906 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 5: he wanted to to kind of take over the the 907 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 5: celebration for for the anniversary. 908 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 4: And you know what I'm saying, all right, so I'm 909 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 4: gonna see what he put together. 910 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 3: I feel like you've got to perform at in its 911 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 3: entirety somewhere. 912 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 4: Man. We're gonna see man, But the How Mafia will 913 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 4: be in Philly. Man at the Helium. 914 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 5: Gets your tickets right now online wherever Helium's website is uh. 915 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 5: And you know, catch the Hai Mafia wherever you can 916 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 5: because it will be going down. 917 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 3: That's right, you did. 918 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. 919 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 3: It's ta