1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Woke f Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: Last week, we witnessed a bold, racist, anti democratic move 4 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: by the Tennessee Legislature two oust two of its duly 5 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: elected members, two young black men from the body because 6 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: they joined with protesters their very constituents who are tired 7 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: of being gunned down, who were tired of being used 8 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: as target practice in their classrooms. Justin Jones and Justin 9 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: Pearson lost their positions in the Tennessee House because they're 10 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: black men who have a voice in a platform. Gloria Johnson, 11 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: the white woman who also participated with the other two. 12 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: They were dubbed the Tennessee Three, kept her job. When 13 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: asked on CNN why she believes that happened, she said, well, 14 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: because I'm a sixty year old white woman and they're 15 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: two young black men, plain and simple. We don't need 16 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: to contort ourselves into pretzels to look for any other 17 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: reason than the one that is staring us in the 18 00:01:52,520 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: fucking face. I will tell you that Keith Boykin recently 19 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: also tweeted something that I said to myself ma'am, this 20 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: is it. This is that thing where he said this, 21 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: showing a video clip from January sixth, He tweeted this 22 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: last week. The Republican Party today made it clear as 23 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: day that a peaceful black man with a megaphone is 24 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: more threatening to them than a thousand violent white men 25 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: with deadly weapons. That's it, folks, that's it. In a 26 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: fucking nutshell, right, that was it. From before right they 27 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: assassinated Martin Luther King to now right, which is that 28 00:02:51,720 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: peaceful black people demanding justice, right, demanding accountability, are more 29 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: dangerous than the white vigilantes and militia that they are 30 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: readily arming with their lack of gun regulation and reform. 31 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: These white legislatures in Tennessee, North Carolina, Kansas, they know 32 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: exactly what the fuck they are doing. They are working 33 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: overtime to not only silence black voices, queer voices, indigenous voices, 34 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: but they are arming to the teeth. They're white militias. 35 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: So let's make no mistake, right and pretend that we 36 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck is going on, because the 37 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: direction is underway. It never stopped. January six was the beginning, 38 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: not the end. Donald Trump was a symptom, not the 39 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: sole cause we find ourselves in this moment because we 40 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: refuse to own up and be accountable for America's history. 41 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: We think that Donald Trump is new, That motherfucker is not, 42 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: nor is he the sole problem. This has not pinned 43 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the tail on the fucking elephant. It is an entire 44 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: ideology that we have been fighting against since the formation 45 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: of this country that a few white men want the 46 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: ability to dictate the humanity, voice, movement, vote, and livelihood 47 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: of everyone else. And they are doing so, come hell 48 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: or high water. So the question, the question that is 49 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: on everyone's mind is when are the American people going 50 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: to activate in community and collaboration with one another and 51 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: saying enough is a fucking enough. It is not enough 52 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: for us to think that we are safe in our 53 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: blue bubbles. Because let me tell you something. The Tennessee 54 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: legislature found a way to nullify the voices of those 55 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: in Memphis, the voices of those in Nashville, the voices 56 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: of those that are in the cities, and reappropriate power 57 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: back to the rural, racist areas of the state. If 58 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: they can do it there, they can do it in 59 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: fucking New York, they can do it in California. They 60 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: can do it in all of these places that we 61 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: call quote unquote blue states. But that's not how they 62 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: are moving anymore. It is not. As our next guest, 63 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: our friend Jonathan Metzel, will say, it is no longer 64 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: moving north against south. It is moving rural against the 65 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: cities the urban areas. In all of these places, it 66 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: is rewriting the rules so that they can consolidate power 67 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: and exercise it however the fuck they see fit. So without, folks, 68 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: without the collective action of all of us, we are 69 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: in for a race car speeding drive over a cliff 70 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: into white Christo nationalism in this country. I will talk 71 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: about this and more with our friend, our in house doctor, 72 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, as you know, it's always great 73 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: when we get a chance to chat with our in 74 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, and particularly this week, Jonathan, 75 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I will say that since the terrible shooting at the 76 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: elementary school in Tennessee, Tennessee has been in the news, 77 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: and I would argue for all the right reasons, because 78 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: the people of Tennessee, is particularly the young people, seem 79 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: to have had enough of their elected officials. And so first, 80 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: while I say that they've been in the news. Let's 81 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: be honest, the mainstream media has been absolutely failing per 82 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: normal with regard to the massive walkout that have happened 83 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: at the schools, with regard to the takeover of the 84 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Capitol building. So, just because you're down there and Vanderbilt 85 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: was so close to where everything took place last week, 86 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: the tragedy that took place, I wanted to get your 87 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: thoughts on the protests and activism that have been taking place. 88 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: It is an incredible couple of weeks here in Tennessee. 89 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it started with the horrible mass shooting in 90 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: a school where nine year old kids and the principal 91 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: and the one of the couple of people that worked 92 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: there got killed, and and it felt like deja vu 93 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: and PTSD all over again. We've had so many mass 94 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: shootings here, so many kids getting killed, but I don't know, 95 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: there's something about like a school shooting that it's not 96 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: just about the death with it, which is horrible, it's 97 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: also kids and parents across the city start feeling really 98 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: unsafe and they're demanding something happened. And so there's been 99 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: a massive, massive movement here high school and college students 100 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: just descended on the capitol Um demanding that something happened. 101 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: I've never seen our campus of Anderbal campus demanding some 102 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: kind of change in this particular way, and and and 103 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: it's just been it's just been pretty remarkable, honestly. But 104 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: the pushback has been that we I'll call them the 105 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: other side. I wish there weren't two sides of something 106 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: like this. We should all be for protecting kids in schools, 107 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: but the other side has doubled down in a way. 108 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: And so when when the students came to the capitol Um, 109 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: there were a number of really incredible, remarkable Democratic Um 110 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: congress people who state congress people who say, you know, 111 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: we're going to amplify your voices. That the GOP has 112 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: turned this into an excuse to literally kick those three 113 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: congress people out out And so three politicians with constituencies 114 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: of twenty to fifty thousand people are getting literally kicked 115 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: out of their elected jobs. And and you think, like, 116 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: is that legal? How can they do that? And it's 117 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: because the GOP has an incredible supermajority here because of jeremandering, 118 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: and they've just been really terrorizing the state over the 119 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: past six months since they since they've had this and 120 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: this is just the latest example of them kind of 121 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: flexing their power. And so it is a really volatile 122 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: moment here, and it's going to come to a head. 123 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: We're I'll just say, we're taping this interview on Wednesday 124 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: and the Thursday morning, so tomorrow morning for us, there's 125 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: going to be there's going to be a real showdown 126 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: here because students are descending on the Capitol and the 127 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: GOP is deciding whether to kick out these politicians again, 128 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: kick them out from their elected offices. And let's let's 129 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: just be clear, because I want people to understand as well. 130 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: They're being kicked out because they decided to stand with 131 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: young people who have literally been placed on the front 132 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: lines of school shootings and mass shootings in this country. 133 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: It is these Republican politicians whose negligence and cruelty and 134 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: coldheartedness has children from elementary school to college level have 135 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: to live in a state of fear. Right And so 136 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: these three Democratic officials said we need gun reform. They didn't, oh, 137 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, traffic and underage girl across state lines. 138 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: They didn't, you know, use their political funds to do 139 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: something nefarious and criminal and illegal. They're being expelled from 140 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: their elected seats because they're standing with the people of 141 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: Tennessee who don't want to live in fear. And two 142 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: of the two of the politicians are black and represent 143 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: black districts, and so there's a strong racial component to 144 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: what's happening also, where communities of color now are not 145 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: going to have representation in Tennessee. So it's just it's 146 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: messed up on every every angle, and it seems like 147 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: such such a bad move. It seems like such a 148 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: bad move for them also, like I don't know, they're 149 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: just they're going to make It's just it's just inflaming 150 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: things even more. And so it's guns race ideology. There's 151 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: a profound age gap of what's happening here. This is 152 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: like a bunch of old people trying to suppress the 153 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: will of students UM. And so it's giving tim Square, 154 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: it's giving. It's giving China right now. I mean it's 155 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: like it's it's giving. H We're going to crush you 156 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: no matter what. I'll re send a tweet to you 157 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: that I sent yesterday, which is like people actually literally 158 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: fighting in the on the floor of the of the 159 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: Um session. And so it really just feels like it 160 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: feels like some other time, honestly, And and people should 161 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: pay attention, first of all, because something bad is happening here, 162 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: and they should pay attention. They should also pay attention 163 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: because this is the desantist model, right, get these supermajorities 164 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: and then instill a level of authoritarianism that is linked 165 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: to expanded gun rights. There's something scary about everybody being 166 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: armed and what that means, um and then again it's 167 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: a way to quote unquote own the lives. And I 168 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: mean part of the frustrating part also is for all 169 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: the messed upness of for all the messed upness of Tennessee, 170 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: which feels like it's read state forever, it actually hasn't 171 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: always been that way. Like you have to remember that 172 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,479 Speaker 1: Tennessee is also the state that had al Gore. Tennessee 173 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: is the state that in the nineteen nineties promoted ten Care, 174 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: a national model championed in our state of public private 175 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: partnership for health insurance for all people. And so Tennessee 176 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: actually has a historical tradition of people working together across 177 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: ideological divides. And I just keep thinking this week, certainly 178 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: what's happening is horrible. It's given voice to the most 179 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: extreme and radical and unsettling aspects of our history. Here 180 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: are three of being a slave owning state and all 181 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: these other factors. But it's also like an end stage 182 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: of jerrymandering. I just keep thinking that what happens when 183 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: you mean what happened in Tennessee, is that this Nashville, 184 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: for example, used to have its own congress person. We 185 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: were a congressional district in Davidson County, and then jerrymandering 186 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: let the state basically split Nashville into three different congressional districts, 187 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: so we don't have our own congress person anymore. The 188 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: whole map has been divided so that communities of color 189 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: are split up in all these different districts, so they 190 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: don't have any real voting power anymore. And it led 191 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: to these supermajorities of the power being in all these 192 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: conservative rural areas and cities like Memphis and Nashville in 193 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: a way don't have any representation. They have nothing to 194 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: fight back with. And I'm sure initially like people thought, 195 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is great. If you're a conservative. 196 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: We own the Libs. We've divided this app we have 197 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: all the power. But what you see with this kind 198 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: of geymandering is actually what happens is not that great. Right, 199 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: there are no checks and balances in the system. You 200 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: give power to the most radical, extreme versions of any 201 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: party that is in a supermajority, and in a way, 202 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: the people who kind of make the deals in the 203 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: middle are nowhere to be found. And so what happens 204 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: with these supermajorities is you end up having to go 205 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: farther and farther to the right to assuage the right 206 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: wing of your own party, and it leads to the 207 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: insanity that we're seeing now. I mean, it's not just 208 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: about guns, it's about every single issue. And I don't know, 209 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: it just it makes me think that like our system 210 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: really needs checks and balances, it needs it needs two 211 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: parties having a kind of conversation about how to fix problems, 212 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: you know. But I will say, and what you're laying out, 213 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: Jonathan is is you know what the Republicans have been 214 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,479 Speaker 1: doing for the last thirty forty years across the country 215 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: and in some places like Tennessee, who have been the 216 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: model for jerrymandering. It has been really obscene. But I'm 217 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: telling you that I'm moving to a place where I 218 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: actually don't believe that we need a two party system. 219 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that the Republican Party has ever offered 220 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: anything to the advancement of our society, whether it be 221 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: around public education, whether it be around healthcare, environmental concerns. 222 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm just confused about like what we think the balances 223 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: that we need, because even when they weren't outwardly racist, homophobic, 224 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: rabid and disgusting, we still had the drug war, we 225 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: still had, you know, the terrorism in the communities of color. 226 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: And so I'm just curious when we talk, and I'm 227 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: not just you, but in general, when we talk about 228 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: needing balance, what exactly does that mean. Well, I'm not 229 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: arguing for balance right now, certainly right now, but I 230 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: mean there's a fantasy right now in our political system 231 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: that to get anything done you have to kind of 232 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: own the other side. And in the South, it's all 233 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean, something just happened in North Carolina or North Carolina. 234 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: The GOP now has a vetop majority. Tennessee, the supermajority 235 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: is GOP and there just is no governance happening whatsoever. 236 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: It's all about breeding these cycles of resentment, of domination 237 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: and resentment. It's kind of what it feels like. And 238 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: so it's just it's destroyed. It's destroyed whatever deal making capacity. 239 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: I'm not in any way trying to idealize the Republicans. 240 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not. I'm certainly not, but I'm saying that 241 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: just something feels so out of black down here that 242 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: isn't just about what they're doing. I mean what they're doing. 243 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: I could, I could give you a list of what's 244 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: happening here in Tennessee, and your viewers would be just shocked. 245 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they they cut out the Nashville City Council, 246 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: They've taken control of all the income for the city. 247 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: They've passed these gun laws that are just unbelievable and horrific, 248 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: and so it's really not it's not democracy, it's not 249 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: governance what's happening here. But I don't know, it just 250 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,239 Speaker 1: doesn't seem very good for the Republicans either, Like, are 251 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: they really enjoying this domination right now when everybody hates 252 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: them and every kid in town is they don't. But yeah, 253 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: they don't. I mean they don't care like I think 254 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: that in Tennessee in particular, some of the stills that 255 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: I saw coming out of that capital were absolutely brilliant. 256 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean, these young people, young white kids in particular, 257 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: that I saw screaming in the faces of these politicians. 258 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: It's basically saying, you don't care about us, right like, 259 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: you don't like we're being murdered and you don't care, 260 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: right like like Brusher said, Oh, we're not going to 261 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: fix this, brush it, We're not going to fix this, 262 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: right so criminal, They're going to crime, and we just 263 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of need to throw up our hands. And I 264 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: just think, not only in Tennessee, but something Jonathan, to 265 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: me feels like we are reaching a real serious inflection 266 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: point in this country. And I want you to speak 267 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: to that is Tennessee foreshadowing to where we are seeing 268 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: this country hit before presidential you know, these really serious 269 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: inflection points, you know. I mean this is the question 270 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: is like what tools do you have when you what 271 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: tools do you have? Like you know, we say, ooh, 272 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: the will of the people is being suppressed and things 273 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: like that. But I mean, just looking at what's happened 274 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: here in Tennessee, votes don't matter as much as they 275 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: did ten years ago. Like they've developed this method of 276 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: like splitting up the votes and fracturing the votes. And 277 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: so even if every Democrat in Tennessee voted, their Democratic 278 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: votes are now split. They're just fractured in a way. 279 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: And so it does it does feel like, um just 280 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: the methods are just absolutely terrifying. The methods are absolutely terrifying, 281 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: and so um yeah, I just I just think people 282 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: really need to I said this on Twitter story. People 283 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: need to pay attention to what's happening in Tennessee because 284 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, there's a back and forth and 285 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: you win an election and we win an election, and 286 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: they're figuring out a way to like codify minority rule 287 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: in a way that is kind of bullproof in a way. 288 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: It's pretty terrifying to watch. This is Jim Crow, this 289 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: is apartheide, this is authoritarianism, this is you know, I mean, 290 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: we could the list goes on and on. This is 291 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: not the first time that this has been done in America. Yeah, right, Like, 292 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: we've had a very short period if you really think 293 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: about it, from the Civil rights the passage of the 294 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act until now that we've had some form 295 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: of equity in terms of representation in this country. It's 296 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: only been a little over fifty years. The majority of 297 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: time in this country has been exactly what it is 298 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is rolling us back to. And so 299 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: I don't want people to say, like, oh my god, 300 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: this could never happen here. We've had a blip on 301 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: a screen in terms of like the longevity of this 302 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: American project, right that saw black people as human beings, 303 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: so women as first class citizens. Like it's been a 304 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: little over fifty years. But let me just say one thing, Danielle, 305 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: which is I think the difference now is that the 306 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: methods that are being deployed aren't just going to work 307 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: in a place like Tennessee. I mean, the reason I 308 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: bring up Tennessee's centrist history and tradition, even though it 309 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: seems like another planet right now, is that what they 310 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: did was they found a way to like mobilize rural 311 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: areas against urban areas, Like this kind of resentment narrative 312 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: is really powerful, and they found a way to structurally 313 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: empower rural areas against urban They call it elites, which 314 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: is hilarious if you've ever live in a city. But 315 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: in a way, the method that what they're doing here 316 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: honestly would work in New York. It would work in 317 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: any place where there are rural areas where people resent 318 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: urban areas and want to take power back. And so 319 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: people in Nashville, I've watched it happen, Like, while this 320 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: was happening, they were saying, oh, no, we're the economic 321 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: engine of the state. There's no way you can control us. 322 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: And then it happened anyway. And so what they found 323 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: a way was to kind of move the seat of 324 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: power from urban to rural areas in a way that 325 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: made cities class and made cities unable to pay for 326 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: social programs or transit or healthcare for people who live 327 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: in urban areas. And so I just feel like, I mean, 328 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: my worry isn't just what's happening in Tennessee. It's that 329 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: if people if this happened in New York, where right 330 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: now Democrats are divided, for example, and there are a 331 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: lot of people in upstate New York who would love 332 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: to take control back of the city from the New 333 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: Yorkers who are now going after Trump and stuff like that. 334 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: So I just think people need to pay attention to 335 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: the method of what's happening here, because it's not going 336 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: to be like a red state, blue state thing anymore. 337 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: This is like a model that could work in a 338 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: lot of different places. I mean, work, I think is 339 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: an interesting word, because what they are setting up is 340 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: implosion right like this, This kind of politics, this kind 341 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: of Jerryman during this kind of bleeding out of the 342 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: cities that are in fact your echo economic engines, this 343 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: type of disruption and education like and health and all 344 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: of these things, it's going to lead to implosion like that. 345 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there is there is no so you know, 346 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: it is it is. It is the model of dying, 347 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: of whiteness. It is. It is the model of you know, um, 348 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: if I can't have what I want, I'll I'll blow 349 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: up and gut the entire country. There's no longevity to 350 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: this um and it's and it's a dangerous model at that. 351 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: And I think that all eyes for the next you know, 352 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: week or so will continue to be should be I 353 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: should say should be on tennessee what happens later on 354 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: this week and moving forward and just you know, with 355 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: with just a bit of good news, folks, you know 356 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: what happened in Wisconsin in the same week. UM has 357 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: been fascinating to see the Supreme Court in Tennessee go 358 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: back to being liberal after you know, after the election 359 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: that could now reshape the policy, the policies that were 360 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: put in place to ban abortion, um, so forth and 361 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: so on. And so the mayor's race in Chicago where 362 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: you had an aunt, you know, a pro cop um 363 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: you know official beat by am by a former principle, Like, 364 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: I think that we have to hold the these moments 365 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: because there is an infliction point that is coming, but 366 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: there is a resistance that is rising. Uh, and I 367 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: want people to understand that as well. No, and again 368 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: it's it's really whatever s happening in Tennessee is a 369 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: reflection of the country, which is attempt to control and 370 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: then massive pushback from people and students and a generational struggle, 371 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: and then the old world kind of trying to hold 372 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: onto it's how or quote unquote through ways that are 373 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: incredibly destructive. And it really is true here that Nashville 374 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: and Memphis are like the economic engines at the state. 375 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: And so if you destroy the cities, what do you 376 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know what the financial 377 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 1: model is except for farming, I don't. I don't know 378 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: plantation model. I don't know what they're imagining. And so 379 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: it is um, it is that and and certainly this 380 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: is just I mean, where does this all lead? Right? 381 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: Where does this all lead? Is kind of scary, But 382 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: I certainly think that remember you, like we used to 383 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: know people like five years ago who'd be like, I 384 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: don't pay attention to politics and stuff like you can't 385 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: have that physician anymore because this is happening everywhere. I mean, 386 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: this morning, a Democrat got convinced to switch to the 387 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: GOP in North Carolina, given in North Carolina a veto 388 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: proof majority in both houses there Wisconsin flip back to 389 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: the other side. And so I don't know, everybody, just man, 390 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: don't quit your day job like this is this is 391 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: this is really happening all over and it really is 392 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: such an ideological fight that is not It's not just 393 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: the kind of North South battle that we have grown 394 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: up with thinking. It's it's really like the ideology of 395 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: generation and race and equality that's happening all across the country. Well, 396 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: let history be our guide. None of this leads anywhere. Good, 397 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: So people pay attention. As always, Jonathan, thank you so 398 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: much for making the time to join Woke F We 399 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: always appreciate you. Hang in there, everybody that is it 400 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: for me today? Dear friends on Woke f as always, 401 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people. Power, 402 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.